The Cleveland Street Cover-Up - Royal Murder Mysteries - S01 EP02 - History Documentary
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2023
- Explore the intriguing story of Prince Albert Victor, known as Prince Eddy, and his alleged connection to the Jack the Ripper murders. Uncover the rumours surrounding his involvement in the Cleveland Street Scandal and the possible royal cover-up. Dive into the mystery and scandal of Victorian London as we examine the historical evidence and theories in this episode of Royal Murder Mysteries.
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I find it most difficult to believe that the victims were in any position to blackmail anyone. They were prostitutes because they often could not afford a place to sleep.
I was reading about the places they could barely afford to sleep and it was a rope they could lean against. The owner would string a rope from one end of a pole to the other, and it'd be a few shillings to lean against it for the night in relative safety. The prostitutes that were out that night were trying to make a few coins so they could go lean on that rope in safety and somehow sleep while simultaneously leaning on this rope! Dreadful life. I wouldnt be so upset the ripper got me if that was my life. Id have probably already rippered myself after the first night SLEEPING ON A ROPE! These women were tough.
@@JanellabelleThe poor women didn't even have a soft place to rest and no money for the most basic of things! I can't imagine such a horrible existence.
@@Janellabelle Would that be a "flop house"?
@@Janellabelle
How can anyone sleep on a rope? Totally ridiculous!
@@Peekaboo-Kitty you bet it was ridiculous. I couldn't even picture in my head how they could do that because im, much like you, so priviledged to live in this country in this era, so i googled to see if a picture of it was ever taken and I found a couple. It was...devastating for me to see. I couldn't get it out of my head the rest of the day. No innocent human being deserves that life. According to google, when you search "sleeping on a rope victorian era" this is the blurb: "In Victorian England, the poor would sometimes sleep over ropes in exchange for a penny. This was a method for homeless people to get food, shelter, and a place to sleep. The ropes would be strung between two beams, and people would sleep draped over them in groups." Also, search "two penny hangover" i tried to post the link to an entire article about the practice of sleeping on ropes in the victorian era in whitechapel london and paris, but YT deleted it immediately. 🙄 But you can use google, so I'm sure you can find the history on it if you want to. But be warned if you're even slightly an empathetic person, it is soo depressing. No wonder people died at 30. Their living conditions were filthy disease infested gutters, but not only that, their lifestyle of extremely hard dangerous nasty work and alcoholism to dull the absolute misery on top of that which you can not only die from drinking too much but not drinking anything if you have developed a dependency, as well....and delerium tremens is a NIGHTMARE. Im sure death came as a relief though for many. Especially the Rippers victims who had nothing and no one...which is the saddest part of it for me...that they probably welcomed death when it came..even though it was brutal.
Charles was the first British heir to obtain a university degree. Other Royals visited colleges for a term or less but Charles was the first to graduate. Sounds like Eddy may have suffered from dyslexia, which tends to run in the family.
Also runs in the hills of West Virginia. 😁
Several royals throughout history have had learning disorders such as dylexia and attention deficit disorder. Although intelligent, these royals had trouble learning in a traditional environment. Eddy had been born prematurely and may have suffered from oxygen deprivation during his birth. The future Edward VII had suffered from an unsympathetic educational regime. It is amazing that he did not protect his own children from an equally unpleasant method of education. Queen Victoria thought the solution to Eddy's character flaws was a sensible wife.
Didn’t know they hadn’t graduated!!!! Thanks
Evil beyond belief. Vic and Alby brought the destruction of family and the individual in all countries. Extreme psycopathy
Sounds more like inbreeding!
Jack the Ripper used an almost surgical precision in the cutting of organs I can’t imagine someone like this Prince using such method
I can.
Exactly. JTR was a surgeon to elites and politicians. One of the women were pregnant...
Some speculate the Ripper was a doctor or a coroner.
He was not smart enough. Jack knew what he was doing dadly
The most plausible explanation as to who jack the ripper was is found in the book entitled “Jack the Ripper: First American Serial Killer “ by Paul Gainey and Stewart Evans; which has a theory that Jack the Ripper came to the United States. This being the reason why the the murders stopped in London and started happening in New York City.
Hh Holmes was Jack the ripper
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@@lindaredmon1810that’s debatable
Plus similar killings happened across the big cities in the U.S. From N.Y., New Orleans, St. Louis to San Francisco and back to Boston.
I've thought the same @@lindaredmon1810
When the media connected with the story about Eddie, Sickert, the confectioner’s assistant/mother of Eddie’s child etc. I was 21. I religiously 27:03 watched the TV series
that covered it. It was a mind blower to a 21 year old. Now I’m 72. I highly highly doubt Eddie was involved or was anything but a hapless scapegoat.
I went to St. George’s Chapel in Windsor a couple years ago. He and many other royals are buried there but he is the only one who has an entire wing of the church to himself. Yet there is a barrier in front of the entrance. One can only crane one’s neck to stare at the end of his effigy and marble bier. I want to know why on earth no one can go in. The other monarchs who reigned are completely accessible. Odd, very odd.
27:03
Interesting. I suppose there are people who are obsessed with the Ripper mystery and fixated on the prince as the culprit; such people might be motivated to try to open or otherwise desecrate his burial place. I can't think of any other reason it would be kept inaccessible as you describe.
@@christinepaige2575Interesting perspective, but why is his burial site removed from where everyone else is? That has nothing to do with current mindsets.
@@sacrebleu1371 I am as curious about this as you are; I would love to know the reason too. The rumors about his being the Ripper are not new, and if they existed at the time of his death, that might have influenced the location of his tomb. That is only a guess. I'd love to think there are historians who have access to primary documents that could answer the question.
I WONDER IF PRINCE EDDY IS THE TRUE JACK THE RIPPER. FOR SOME REASON THE QUEEN HAD THE CASE CLOSE FOR A 100 YEARS. THE QUESTION IS (WHY??) WITH THIS I CAN UNDERSTAND IT WAS A ROYAL FAMILY WHO WAS JACK THE RIPPER, PRINCE EDDY.🤔
@@christinepaige2575 The area was thought to be being damaged by heavy foot traffic and flash photography. This was some years ago.
The poor were there to serve the rich. Things never change
In the New Testament, when the apostles berated the woman washing his feet with her tears and anointing them with scented oils Jesus said "The poor will always be with you, but you will not always have Me." John 12:8
Are you the poor
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
@@crystallineblue4344 you’re welcome. I didn’t think you would know
Poor old Eddie. Rumours always attach to mysterious people we don't know much about
They're a blank screen that on which ppl can project their fantasies.
The novelist, Patricia Cornwell also investigated the Ripper case. She reasoned very well that it was Sickert who was the Ripper. An interesting read !
I found her hypnosis plausible I must say.
Sickert wasn't even in England at the time of the murders.
It was interesting. but really, artists draw body parts all the time. she seemed to think drawing a torso made you the ripper. in truth it just makes you wan artist.
She portrayed an artist who was obsessed with the case, as many were at the time. I was not convinced she presented the Ripper.
@@foxesofautumn She just kept saying it over and over, but there was no evidence as I can recall.
I've often wondered if PAV's worsening symptoms of syphilis might have been the catalyst for his sudden demise. Perhaps he passed away from influenza
or a decision was made to implement an assisted death before it became too obvious that he was suffering from syphilis. Either way, if he did have syphilis
there would be no possibility of him ascending the throne. Death from the influenza would be more palatable in the history books
yawn...made up nonsense
Syphilis takes many MANY years to start showing signs which at that point will still be known only to the sufferer. If he went out and caught syphilis at say, 16 (a very early age...he probably wouldve caught it later IF he ever did) no one would've known that by the time of his young death, not even him, yet.
Stories
Not History
Are created by the Victors...
(No victims, no killers...)
No one guards Eden...
I have wondered the exact same thing. “Let’s take this opportunity to let him go “.
Maybe the problem with Victoria and Albert's children was that their parents were first cousins. That is very close to being siblings! @@silverstuff182
I've read that it's been shown that Albert Victor was not even in London at the time of some of the murders.
Of course, the Royal Family would establish an alibi! What would you think? The scale of the cover-up indicates the power of the Royals.
Eddy could have paid a killer. He would not need to do the murders himself
H H Holmes was in London at time of the ripper murders. They stopped when he returned to USA
@@grantwriter7777 It was court papers and official documents, not the Royal Family that gave him the alibi's, they prove he was not even in London at the time of some of the murders. This programme is just ridiculous, it glosses over the truth.
He wasn't even in the country for most of them.
The name was “given” to him by a newspaper journalist writing a fake letter and then reporting on it.
I am glad nothing like that could be done in this day and age............🤔
@@dr2759 hmmm...😅
As far as I know the embowelment was done by a person that was familiar with the human anatomy. Is that likely for a prince that had a learning disability?
A ruthless and unprincipled solicitor? I can't imagine that happening..
I laughed at that too. They were describing all solicitors if you ask me.
The recurring footage of a city scene with the trams and a cathedral in the background is from Milan, not London.
😂
they tend to show cork and dublin in these clips too, and totally unrelated to the crimes being discussed
Interesting documentary. Not about “how the Prince was the Ripper”, but more “How on earth do you get to the point where people are even believing such an outlandish thing.”
Haha yeah. The man wasn’t even in the country for many of the killings. Silliness.
@@foxesofautumn...or so they say...
@@catherinepositano8544 Exactly. The fact that PAV was officially recorded to be in some remote place at EACH of the killings in itself stretches coincidence.
@@bengt-oveandersson2914absolutely. I thought the same
@@bengt-oveandersson2914hj😂
It is usually mentioned in docos re Jack that he had an in-depth knowledge of the human body as shown in the way the womens bodies were treated. Surely this would have exonerated the Prince?
I emphatically do not believe that Eddie was Jack the Ripper or that he "killed" because of his misdeeds. Those who foolishly think Eddie was Jack the Ripper presumed that his experience butchering the stags he shoot accounted for the surgical expertise the Ripper displayed. Yes, Eddie like to hunt but is it likely an heir to the throne actually butchered the dead stags? Wouldn't that be the job of an employee?
Here in the States, the best theory that has been presented is a butcher did it. The bodies were found along the route he would have taken to work. They even provide an explanation for ones not found in the area. TY for providing this explanation
Or a doctor
Lechmere. I like that theory best. Of all the theories I've looked into, that one rang every bell for me. Geographic profiling, common sense, and if he was at the scene of one After researching it I was convinced, it was so simple, like duh.
Why cant you just write "thank you" ?
He had an alibi for
2 of the murders.
JTR was a surgeon to elites and politicians. One of the women were pregnant.. My great granny was in London at the time and they all knew he was an elitist surgeon protecting someone.
The ideal that a killer who was careful enough to get away with multiple murders on the streets of the busiest city in the world (at the time) was also insane in ludicrous.
Exactly. Quite right.
And running around in clothes drenched in blood. I know the Metropolitan Police are useless but even a Met copper might get slightly suspicious about somebody in blood drenched clothes near the body of a woman who has had her liver and kidneys removed.
Ah, we got one that can see.
And dim…
And if he was, the firm would have ensured his innocence, by making a patsy guilty with out blinking
Absolutely!
Prince Eddy was cleared years ago - this is absolute nonsense.
Cleared ... with the palace's influence and coercion?
Poor Eddie. How not to raise a future king.
I believe it was confirmed he was not in London during the time of some of these. I think I recall he was in Europe.
The Court Calendar reported his whereabouts, which gave him iron clad alibis
@@laurahoward5426 people saw him too and he is 6'2 this theory never existed until 20th century to make it more exciting
London is in Europe.
you know perfectly well that it was meant on the continent. Also I am unsure how the Brits experienced themselves as "european" @@nancylongworth9617
The thing that makes me doubt that Prince Albert is the ripper, is that the Royals would have used one of the other potential suspects as a scapegoat and bulldozed a solution into place.
Of all the conspiracies of the ripper this is the most ridiculous of them all
Why?
@@jujubees5855 Because every genuine historian discounted the entire connection decades ago.
Yes, lots of Americans making up stories hahaha. JTR was a surgeon to elites and politicians. One of the women were pregnant.. My great granny was in London at the time and they all knew he was an elitist surgeon protecting someone.
@@jujubees5855 JTR was a surgeon to elites and politicians. One of the women were pregnant.. My great granny was in London at the time and they all knew he was an elitist surgeon protecting someone.
02:45 Prince Eddy was born in 1864 not 1862. His parents were married in 1863.
Prince Eddy was born 8 Jan 1864.
It’s a pretty far leap from might have had an illegitimate child with this painter’s model to five random prostitutes trying to blackmail him.
I think that’s an insult to the victims.
Not really. @@foxesofautumn
If he was the Ripper, I don't believe we would have ever heard of his work. The royal family would have made the killings disappear.
In the motion picture "The Ruling Class" the ripper was supposed to have been the 14th Earl of Gurney...
And in another motion picture Abraham Lincoln was a vampire hunter.
The idea that Prince Edward was a murderer is so silly.
This is an extremely well-done documentary and gives important details.
Sorry, but it takes over 10 years for those with syphilis to progress to madness. If the brothers returned from their world tour in 1882, Albert would not have had time to progress to madness before the Ripper murders happened.
Prince eddie did not have medical skills ypu did not mention that
If Prince Eddie led a debauched and dissipated life , it is not at all surprising considering who his father was .
Some people think the Ripper immigrated to America and continued his work.
A doctor named Homeyer did a great deal of research on this issue because certain people wanted verification
I love this channel!!
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@2:45 Nope, he wasn't born in 1862. His parents got married in 1863 and Prince Eddy was born in 1864.
Yes, the prince was born 8 Jan 1864.
The description of the Ripper's victims is inaccurate: see historian Hallie Rubenhold's book, The Five.
Excellent book that shows the victims as real humans in a very difficult world. They were not all prostitutes as has always been declared.
Anyone who calls him handsome is blind
I doubt for one minute he was the ripper.
Thank you for sharing that. As if we really needed to know.
Dont Call Me Eddie Baby!
Mystery writer Cornwall wrote a book naming the Ripper
She did. It wasn’t very convincing. She mistakes an artists obsession for evidence of a crime.
very disappointing and lacking any solid evidence, i expected much better from her
Loved this 😊
Thank you for this informative post. I have always been interested in “Anything Jack”, and this is the juiciest theory. What I loved about this post is, the reason behind putting Eddie in the light. Why we smelled smoke to begin with.Thanks.
Um, no. The guy wasn't even in the country for some of the killings.
No matter who speaks on the Ripper, we'll never know the true killer, unfortunately.
I thk it was highly covered up for sure!
Not necessarily. Detective methods and forensics were really in their infancy. We’re there other “Tipper” murders? Police work was not up to that in those years.
Bruce Robinson's They All Love Jack is a must read.
Did you say Mayfair? Well. Lately he's been overheard in Mayfair. You better stay away from him! He'll rip your lungs out Jim! I'd like to meet his tailor.
Haha, I love Warren Zevon's music! He was so unique!
His hair was perfect!
fascinating!
Over the yers i have lived in a few places where seirel killers have staged their murders, not at the same times but near enough to know how easy it would be to hide and travel through the neighborhoods that they were jn. It was kind of scary to think how easy it would be to hide.
Fascinating!🇦🇺....Considering the History of The Royal Family?...ANYTHING is possible!😮
I think if Albert Victor had been in that brothel, it would have come to.the attention of the crown long before somerset was caught and the place would have been quickly and quietly closed.
I just dont see it. Grasping straws with this theory
I would look into members of the hellfire club.
If the RF had wanted to make those girls disappear because of their knowledge of an illegitimate child, they could have just had them arrested, committed, or killed and disposed of. They would have had no need to butcher them and make a spectacle of it. They would have just hired someone to take them out quickly and cleanly. But, this idea is absurd as well given how many of the RF had well known illegitimate children, even Edward VII. So, why would they even have bothered?
Olive? I don’t think so
I love fairy tales with princes in them lol.
I heard this when l was young in Britain that it was hushed up when they found out who he was and l left Britain in 1959 so it’s been out a long long time
Prince Albert Victor was engaged to Mary of Teck, the future Queen Mary, the wife of his brother King George V. I have wondered if Mary ever wrote or said anything about PAV.
excellent documentary ...a true conspiracy !!
This is the most insane suggestion that has ever been proposed in this case! The case has essentially been solved. It was a slaughter house worker who wasn't even looked at, because it was expected that a slaughter house worker to be covered in blood.
I believe eddie suffered dyslexia. And they didn't know how to correct it back then. And I don't believe he killed anybody. Like they said you cannot be in two places at once. But I believe inspector yard might know who did it. One of their policemen?😢
Fantastisch zulke verhalen over koningshuis dat is nog eens smullen hihi
Killer could have been in rage over contracting a std?
If he sought out those types, for se* he had himself to blame.
Back in the day London looked like Los Angeles does now 😂😂🤣
Bishop Larry Gaiters Podcasts
called" Operation London Bridge " Volume #1 and #2.
The Bishop says that Jack The Ripper, without a doubt, was related to the British Royals.
Although the stories of Prince Albert Victor being the Ripper are pretty far fetched. However, he wouldn't be the first or last of the "royal family" with "feet of clay". Take Prince Andrew for instance. Lucky for Britain that he didn't become king. I would imagine people wanted it to be him, because it was more frightening that someone who committed such heinous crimes was never identified or caught.
Are you saying prince Andrew is a coward? Of all things to say.
This is still scary and odd
For Victoria not liking children one would wonder why she had so many!
she was a nymphomaniac who didn`t have family planning resources lol
Women did not have access to birth control in the 19th century. It was considered immoral and was not available at the time. Most women had several children even if they did not desire them. Also, the Queen was expected to have heirs for for the throne.😢
It may come as surprise to you but till recently husband had right to impregnate wife whether she wanted that or not.
Nice set of modern light switches at:31: 33. Nonetheless, Thank you for thiis interesting documentary.
This noisy music is disturbing and unnecessary in the film.
There is something told that he could of not been the ripper as 1 of the deaths were impossible as he was at a dinner with his family and others so there were more than enough witnesses to 100% support that it was impossible for him to of done it.
When I read the comments, it’s interesting how much people want to believe in a colourful conspiracy over the truth, it only takes five minutes on Google to find out that Prince Eddie couldn’t possibly have been Jack the Ripper - but here the rumour is, still alive and well after 130+ years :D
Poor Eddie did they not know that book smart isn’t the only intelligence
You never even mention the theory that "Jack" was a physician to the Royal family who who assigned the "job" of covering up the evidence of Prince Eddie's possible acquaintance with one or more of the victims, and a possible attempt to blackmail Prince Eddie by one or more of them. While Eddie was clearly not there when the Whitechapel murders occurred this does not rule out the possibility that he might have visited one or more of them on earliere occasions. If so, it might have made him subject to a blackmail attempt at some unknown time before the murders occurred.This theory has always been more popular than the one that claimed Prince Eddy carried out the murders himself.
It's a ridiculous theory. Eddie was in Scotland for at least 2 murders and his movements can be verified by court documents. The real Ripper is Charles Lechmere a cartman for Bickford Spitalfields
Would a prince not have used the services of a more 'classier' establishment, as opposed to a lady working the street by herself? Just my thoughts.
@@stevend3323 yes. but on the other hand classier illicit establishments keep records, verify identities. their owners would think more, notice more, ask more. these problems one would not have with lone streetwalkers in impoverished areas. in a way, someone from high society mingling there can disguise themselves easier there, and have the cover of the assumption that they would never venture into those grimy places.
and how would they blackmail a royal?
@@moscuadelendaestwith illegitimate children.
Price Eddy's movements where all recorded. His life was not secret and he kept a diary.
On the nights of each of these murders, his actions and whereabouts where known.
As he to die young and be a less important royal, there has been no-one to defend him from slanderous rumours.
Prince Eddie certainly had motif if he did indeed suffer with a venerial disease or fathered an heir that he was being blackmailed for.
What's really interesting is that the Royal Family were of German origin and spoke German behind close doors. The witness statements mention a handsome foreign looking man who spoke in a German accent.
It's plausible that The Prince could have spoke English using a German accent as a camouflage. It would have been easy for him to do it.
However I tend to go with the incident of Lechmere and John Paul stumbling across Lechmere over the body. I think Lechmere is the most likely candidate.
With Prince Andrews involvement with Jeffrey Epstein this would not be to hard to fathom at all👍
One cover-up that hasn't been considered, even though he may have not been jack the ripper, is that he did not die of pneumonia, but rather died of the venereal disease or complications from it.
Walter Sickert is the Ripper. Patricia Cornwell has written a compelling account of this.
So PAV was allegedly bisexual?
He wasn't even in England for a lot of those murders...
Shared his birthday with Elvis 🎉 The murderer Jack the Ripper had a very steady hand. He had medical experience. Evidences were clear going by how the victims were cut.
Well,by jove,how extraordinary!! Imagine a scandal in a royal family of all things.Tsk tsk,really isn't that just what we want to hear?🤦
His young age puts him out of the list; JTR was very probably a man in his mid forties
If he had psychotic periods, I would think he wouldn’t have the wherewithal to carry off the crimes.
Question, is Prince Albert, the model for Bertie in P. G. Wodehouse's novels?
They could always check his body, to see what he really died of. It is quite plausible that the prince was the murderer, and was covered up.
well i think the ripper had a doctor credentials as he knew antomony.. maybe HH Holmes or Sir William Gall or another Doctor..
I have a second question. Eddie had an olive complexion. I’m Italian and I have an olive complexion too. But Eddie was German, English and possibly other Northern European. How could he acquire an olive complexion?
He was fair skinned and blue eyed, not sure where you got the olive complexion from.
That's just an effect from the old photos..
Olive complexion may be also fair. The olive skin is rather about undertone not darkness. And besides, his mother Alexandra she didnt look very germanic at all...strange
It's called genetics.
From the documentaries/books I've read; I think the ripper was a man named Charles Lechmere
It would be easy for the family to cover up his whereabouts.
A great story, I love the movie, but is it true, I doubt it. I wish it was.
He went to an upper crust university, perhaps he had a friend or German cousin studying medicine, surgery, dissection, with a young & vicious boy's curiosity for women's bodies. Raised to have utter disdain and disregard for the lowest of low classes... the poor women were no more than guinea pigs or baby beagles to well groomed, perhaps attractive & charming, self involved monsters such as these. It was a dark friendship. They say he wasn't alone.
Lord Frederick Windsor - son of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent - looks like Prince Eddie sans moustache.
Wow the tallest one looks like KC when he was younger.
The dulcet tones of 'The Archers' Adam Macy. Yum.
00:39 Nice..
He could not have done it. The Court Circular , a little newspaper that reported on royal events, chronicled his whereabouts along with the other royals. He was at events when some of the murders happened
He was raised by a toota (British pronunciation of tutor), while in the both ( British pronunciation of bath) they can say math though
The theory that HH Holmes was in the UK during this time frame. It seems like the most plausible he was also Jack the Ripper.
No,he wasn't