As someone that has done this for nearly 10 months on basically the same schedule but i do 30min of anki vocabulary everyday and 1.5hr of listening/watching. I understand breaking the barier of being ok with not understanding. It goes in waves though. Some days i understand heaps, some days less then 30% 😅 now im in japan i still cant have normal conversations but it definitly helps with the basics, i wish i spent another hour each day though i feel like it would of been all the difference. Im at about 1800 words in the core 2k deck for context
Thank you for sharing - wow it sounds like you've been really consistent and working hard. What do you feel like are your main challenges at this stage, if you don't mind sharing?
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works! For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that. But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words. And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
@leite_c0m_toddy Eu já aprendi japonês, sendo BR. Tô aqui pra dizer que é sim possivel. Reocmendo mais videos do Stephen Krashen, Steve Kaufmana e os videos antigos do Matt VS Japan sobre como relamenet fazer isso funcionar. Mas funciona! Ali´s se quer ver um BR fluente digita no UA-cam "Cortes do cAriocando". Tenta esse: "CARIOCA FAZENDO AMIZADE COM UMA LINDA JOVEM JAPONESA EM SHIBUYA | Brasileiro No Japão | Tóquio
I'vee been doing this listening test for almost 3 months, at the first month i couldn't understand a single word but now I would say 40% is understandable, I'll keep doing this maybe in 6 or 7 months I can understand 70%
I wonder if rather than your output skills regressing, you've just become more attuned to the mistakes in speech that were always there! So you notice more mistakes and it feels like you are worse than before! Nonetheless, thank you for sharing your reaults! I've been doing quite consistent listening practice with many of the materials you mentioned and ive certainly noticed similar results, although I've never done it as intensely as you did.
Can I suggest you repeat the process but with video? (And I don't mean video podcast) Watching video gives you context clues which makes the input more comprehensible. Great video, enjoyed it!
Your clear explanation as to why listening to native speech is often avoided is so true in my case but you have inspired me to try your experiment. どうもありがとう.
Great video! I appreciate hearing a first hand experience of the process. I’m still memorizing hiragana but I’ve tried to listen to some podcasts and have picked up on a few things but I need to put a lot more hours in. Also, not sure if it’s just me but I had to turn my audio really high to hear to you.
i like your video, but i had to raise the volume quite a lot to hear you propery, besides that all cool, tanks for sharing your experience in this method
On one hand I don’t think I could maintain a routine for eight weeks just to see if it works but on the other hand eight weeks is a drop in the bucket when it comes to language learning 😂. It’s so not fair. I’m impressed you completed Pimsleur. I get way too bored after a few lessons to make real progress. But it’s also a listening based course so it would make sense this method would work well for you if you made it through Pimsleur. I just listen to Korean UA-cam when I’m in the mood (it’s more often than you might think but not a routine like Anki for me). I’m not afraid of native speakers but I’ve also been fumbling along at this language for way more than your Japanese journey I suspect. (5 years now… 5 years 😂).
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works! For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that. But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words. And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
@@paulwalther5237 But I'm telling you, it works. I did that. Stephen Kashen's Comprehensible Input Hypothesis. I never studied English, to start with, you an judge my English for yourself. I Did that for Japanese and Italian at the same time. I'm fluent in both. And I'm progressing with my Vietnamese which is very slow because I have less time taking care of both my sick parents and because has a lot less good resources (like, forget subtitles). And I even started Mandarin.
I have done something like this with Spanish, rather accidentally, over the last 8 months, I had studied portuguese before so it was probably around 30-40 percent comprehension starting out, but yes it is surprising how much of a language you can pick up entirely passively. Still haven't spoken spanish for more than a few minutes in my life, but listening to it no longer takes any unusual effort
Thank you for the great video and sharing your results! Really enjoying your Japanese language journey. I've been watching those videos about the listening method on youtube for the past few weeks as well, and have been curious how it works for the average learner. Looking forward to your next video! Cheers
How hard did you have to listen? Was it just background noise or did you have to carefully sit and listen? How did you absorb new words and their meaning? Did you have to write the words and then find them online? What level was your Japanese already at? I find I get so bored as the amount of words that I'd understand it's not like I could follow the story. Thanks!
It does not work when I only treat it as background noise - I must have at least 80% of my attention on the audio, but sitting still to listen is also painful, so I usually listen while I'm doing chores / getting ready. I.do this exercise with the help of Miraa (the App I introduced in a previous video), which gives me a rough transcript and translation of the podcasts I'm listening to, and allows me to query the meaning of words and phrases used in a particular sentence. I take screenshots of the bits I want to save for learning later, but I wish there's a better function in the App fror saving the vocabulary for later use...if this explanation is too abstract please to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/o1kVdyLaxOA/v-deo.html I definitely understand how frustrating and boring it is when you don't understand much of what you hear, so this App helped me a lot. I usually listen "blind" (without looking at the transcript) for once or twice and then follow along with transcript, zooming into the vocabulary and sentence structure if I want to. Then I'll listen blind again and see if I can understand more. When I started out with this exercise I was a beginner, and in fact still am - so this is not magic, just something I'm trying to help me improve and get closer to fluency!
You could try Language Reactor. It's brilliant for watching videos on UA-cam or Netflix, with AI that explains grammar and meaning. It can even save words and sentences,etc. Lots of great functions for learning langauge.
Thank you for this down to Earth video. I feel we're at around the same point in our learning journey. I don't feel great when I only can understand half of what is being said. Keep doing listening practice helps ofcourse, but I do keep combining it with more vocab study. But kudos for not making these typical false expectations Japanese learning videos 😅
What level would you say you were with your Japanese before the experiment? Because I've done something similar and it didn't help me, but I'm only like advanced N5 level.
Really interesting experiment! Great video! I use adapted video and audio from the Comprehensible Japanese site and it's really nice and low stress, I don't know how far this will get me but at least I pick up a lot of the Beginner content so far. I guess it's not a method for fast learning, but it sure is enjoyable.
Thank you for your support and sharing 🌈 It's so important to pick something you enjoy coz then you'll be able to stick with it long enough for it to work
Nukemarine did 2 years of passive listening like you did, didn't learn japanese and made a big post back in the day complaining input method doesn't work 😂
It's not as simple as that unfortunately. If you don't know the vocab, grammar en difference between textbook writing and actual speech, you can listen all you want but you'll never be able to understand it.
I've completed the Pimsleur course, tried some textbooks (not in a very structured way), and did this experiment as the main form of learning. Before that I used an app called Maru to learn hiragana and katakana, and also tried some free classes on Mesh (or Mesh Class(?))
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works! For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that. But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words. And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
And it's not that your speaking ability "regressed". It's that now your brain can understand better and more complex sentences than before. so now what you could say before that looked just fine, looks like a five year old speaking. It's natural. It will be like that for years.
Learning by listening is great, but learning by JUST listening feels like a strange idea to me. If you have the resources, the explanations, the lessons available while would you avoid using it? Studying grammar is a shortcut to comprehension 🫤
As someone that has done this for nearly 10 months on basically the same schedule but i do 30min of anki vocabulary everyday and 1.5hr of listening/watching. I understand breaking the barier of being ok with not understanding. It goes in waves though. Some days i understand heaps, some days less then 30% 😅 now im in japan i still cant have normal conversations but it definitly helps with the basics, i wish i spent another hour each day though i feel like it would of been all the difference. Im at about 1800 words in the core 2k deck for context
Thank you for sharing - wow it sounds like you've been really consistent and working hard. What do you feel like are your main challenges at this stage, if you don't mind sharing?
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works!
For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that.
But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words.
And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
@@JohnnyLynnLee achei um br vendo bagulho de japonês que loucura kkkkkk
@leite_c0m_toddy Eu já aprendi japonês, sendo BR. Tô aqui pra dizer que é sim possivel. Reocmendo mais videos do Stephen Krashen, Steve Kaufmana e os videos antigos do Matt VS Japan sobre como relamenet fazer isso funcionar. Mas funciona! Ali´s se quer ver um BR fluente digita no UA-cam "Cortes do cAriocando". Tenta esse: "CARIOCA FAZENDO AMIZADE COM UMA LINDA JOVEM JAPONESA EM SHIBUYA | Brasileiro No Japão | Tóquio
@leite_c0m_toddy 🤫
I'vee been doing this listening test for almost 3 months, at the first month i couldn't understand a single word but now I would say 40% is understandable, I'll keep doing this maybe in 6 or 7 months I can understand 70%
Very interesting thank you!
I wonder if rather than your output skills regressing, you've just become more attuned to the mistakes in speech that were always there! So you notice more mistakes and it feels like you are worse than before!
Nonetheless, thank you for sharing your reaults! I've been doing quite consistent listening practice with many of the materials you mentioned and ive certainly noticed similar results, although I've never done it as intensely as you did.
Can I suggest you repeat the process but with video?
(And I don't mean video podcast)
Watching video gives you context clues which makes the input more comprehensible.
Great video, enjoyed it!
Your clear explanation as to why listening to native speech is often avoided is so true in my case but you have inspired me to try your experiment. どうもありがとう.
Yay do see if it works for you!!
I’m super curious to know if, while doing this test, you studied vocabulary at the same time or just started recognizing words by listening to them.
Great video! I appreciate hearing a first hand experience of the process. I’m still memorizing hiragana but I’ve tried to listen to some podcasts and have picked up on a few things but I need to put a lot more hours in.
Also, not sure if it’s just me but I had to turn my audio really high to hear to you.
Thank you for your support! Sorry about the volume, I'm sure it's something with my settings :p
i like your video, but i had to raise the volume quite a lot to hear you propery, besides that all cool, tanks for sharing your experience in this method
On one hand I don’t think I could maintain a routine for eight weeks just to see if it works but on the other hand eight weeks is a drop in the bucket when it comes to language learning 😂. It’s so not fair. I’m impressed you completed Pimsleur. I get way too bored after a few lessons to make real progress. But it’s also a listening based course so it would make sense this method would work well for you if you made it through Pimsleur.
I just listen to Korean UA-cam when I’m in the mood (it’s more often than you might think but not a routine like Anki for me). I’m not afraid of native speakers but I’ve also been fumbling along at this language for way more than your Japanese journey I suspect. (5 years now… 5 years 😂).
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works!
For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that.
But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words.
And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
You think just 8 weeks is a lot? hahhahaha
@@JohnnyLynnLee I said a drop in the bucket. That means a very small amount.
@@paulwalther5237 But I'm telling you, it works. I did that. Stephen Kashen's Comprehensible Input Hypothesis. I never studied English, to start with, you an judge my English for yourself. I Did that for Japanese and Italian at the same time. I'm fluent in both. And I'm progressing with my Vietnamese which is very slow because I have less time taking care of both my sick parents and because has a lot less good resources (like, forget subtitles). And I even started Mandarin.
My attention span is low, but I’m gonna try this. I work by myself in a warehouse so I basically have 8 hours a day I can listen lol
I have done something like this with Spanish, rather accidentally, over the last 8 months, I had studied portuguese before so it was probably around 30-40 percent comprehension starting out, but yes it is surprising how much of a language you can pick up entirely passively. Still haven't spoken spanish for more than a few minutes in my life, but listening to it no longer takes any unusual effort
Thank you for the great video and sharing your results! Really enjoying your Japanese language journey. I've been watching those videos about the listening method on youtube for the past few weeks as well, and have been curious how it works for the average learner. Looking forward to your next video! Cheers
I love your videos! Keep it up! ❤️
Thank you for your support ^ ^ I'll try to upload more consistently this year.
How hard did you have to listen? Was it just background noise or did you have to carefully sit and listen? How did you absorb new words and their meaning? Did you have to write the words and then find them online?
What level was your Japanese already at?
I find I get so bored as the amount of words that I'd understand it's not like I could follow the story.
Thanks!
It does not work when I only treat it as background noise - I must have at least 80% of my attention on the audio, but sitting still to listen is also painful, so I usually listen while I'm doing chores / getting ready.
I.do this exercise with the help of Miraa (the App I introduced in a previous video), which gives me a rough transcript and translation of the podcasts I'm listening to, and allows me to query the meaning of words and phrases used in a particular sentence. I take screenshots of the bits I want to save for learning later, but I wish there's a better function in the App fror saving the vocabulary for later use...if this explanation is too abstract please to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/o1kVdyLaxOA/v-deo.html
I definitely understand how frustrating and boring it is when you don't understand much of what you hear, so this App helped me a lot. I usually listen "blind" (without looking at the transcript) for once or twice and then follow along with transcript, zooming into the vocabulary and sentence structure if I want to. Then I'll listen blind again and see if I can understand more.
When I started out with this exercise I was a beginner, and in fact still am - so this is not magic, just something I'm trying to help me improve and get closer to fluency!
You could try Language Reactor. It's brilliant for watching videos on UA-cam or Netflix, with AI that explains grammar and meaning. It can even save words and sentences,etc. Lots of great functions for learning langauge.
Thank you for this down to Earth video. I feel we're at around the same point in our learning journey. I don't feel great when I only can understand half of what is being said. Keep doing listening practice helps ofcourse, but I do keep combining it with more vocab study. But kudos for not making these typical false expectations Japanese learning videos 😅
What level would you say you were with your Japanese before the experiment? Because I've done something similar and it didn't help me, but I'm only like advanced N5 level.
Really interesting experiment! Great video!
I use adapted video and audio from the Comprehensible Japanese site and it's really nice and low stress, I don't know how far this will get me but at least I pick up a lot of the Beginner content so far. I guess it's not a method for fast learning, but it sure is enjoyable.
Thank you for your support and sharing 🌈 It's so important to pick something you enjoy coz then you'll be able to stick with it long enough for it to work
Found it inspiring ❤❤❤
Woohoo thank you for your support ^ ^
Nukemarine did 2 years of passive listening like you did, didn't learn japanese and made a big post back in the day complaining input method doesn't work 😂
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Well you can obviously learn to comprehend spoken Japanese by listening. If you wanna be able to speak it, you'll have to speak 😂
It's not as simple as that unfortunately. If you don't know the vocab, grammar en difference between textbook writing and actual speech, you can listen all you want but you'll never be able to understand it.
@MrEDET all of that is obvious
@@poohoff Yes, just wanted to point out why you can't learn to comprehend just by listening.
very interesting
Thank you for your support🙌
Cool video, Yuki! Well done! From Russia- with love(from: Far East, Khabarovsk)!
Thank you for your support!
@@YukiChiu852 Cheers, Yuki! Russian spirit and support- always with you!
@@YukiChiu852 With japanese culture- introduced me: BioHazard 2(1998), Yuki!
Sorry if I missed it, but you said you've been learning for around one year (with pimsleur) is that all you ajve done?
I've completed the Pimsleur course, tried some textbooks (not in a very structured way), and did this experiment as the main form of learning. Before that I used an app called Maru to learn hiragana and katakana, and also tried some free classes on Mesh (or Mesh Class(?))
The problem is that you seem to think that only 2 HOURS a day with PASSIVE listening (you seem to state that most of that was passive listening and very little active listening) and no other thing like ANKI is enough in only TWEO WEEKS. That's NOT how it works!
For a language like Japanese? That WORKS, I did that.
But I used to do 3 to 8 hours a day, every single freaking day, at a certain point I'd do 2 hours or more just of ANKI, and it took me FIVE YEARS (as a Brazilian ) doing that every single day (when I was sick, near the hospital bed of my parents and so on) to be FUNCTIONAL (not fluent) in Japanese. You'll need around 20,000 to 30,000 words;. To start playing you'll need at least 10,000 words.
And before someone tells that means the method is slow, that's FAST. That's WAY faster than anything else.
And it's not that your speaking ability "regressed". It's that now your brain can understand better and more complex sentences than before. so now what you could say before that looked just fine, looks like a five year old speaking. It's natural. It will be like that for years.
12 min video. At least speak 6 min in Japanese
How's about you spend a few minutes thinking about how stupid you sound?
Learning by listening is great, but learning by JUST listening feels like a strange idea to me. If you have the resources, the explanations, the lessons available while would you avoid using it? Studying grammar is a shortcut to comprehension 🫤