I think Kamek does care for Bowser a lot, he's just raising Bowser by the norms of what an ideal Koopa king should be. There's a reason Bowser has such loyalty from his army, it's because to them, he represents strength and charisma, not brutality and selfishness. As the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi games have shown us, there are plenty of Koopas, Goombas, etc. who have defected from Bowsers army, because they don't like his type of leadership. Meaning Koopas CAN freely defect from the army if they so choose. So obviously, seeing as most of them stay and in fact think quite highly of Bowser, shows that Kamek did everything "right" when raising Bowser, seeing as most Koopas are happy with their leader, and thus also with Kameks parenting. Kamek isn't a bad parent, he's just a part of a larger system that glorifies bullies like Bowser.
My thoughts exactly. The Magikoopa fight in Super Mario RPG shows this to a pretty good extent with his Psychopath quote being "That's... my child?!" when under Smithy's control. Kamek does get a bit of the blame for Bowser's personality (though the RPG games do a much better job of characterizing Bowser, but Treesicle's videos tend to ignore those for the most part.) but as you mentioned that just seems to be the ideals of a good vassal serving their king and not a self-serving vizier who wants to be the real power. This selflessness comes through with his dogged determination to fight Mario no matter the personal cost to him.
Sceptile TheHedgehog well, good parents do their best, at this point it is kinda your faul??... my parents raised me and my twin well, to make us be good childs, but we often do bad things. our parents always say to us that it was bad, and when we make effort not to do it again, it is proof that we aren't totally bad. but sometimes we can't help it, and they understand. so maybe you think you are a bad child, but in reality you just never knew you just had to try to do the right things to be a good child, or your parents just didn't understand that your couldn't help it? anyway, it is rare that a child from a bad family become good without any outside interation (for exemple having good friends who act has a good family) and vice-versa.
I always thought that Kammek (or however it's spelled) was an adviser to the Old King Koopa, Bowser's father. As for Kammek killing the old king, I kinda doubt it. He's to spineless to pull off something like that, and even if he did somebody was bound to have gotten suspicious, but have you noticed something odd about Bowser being an orphan? If you played Partner's in Time, you'll notice that Peach is ALSO AN ORPHAN! King and Queen Toadstool are nowhere to be found! And (just follow me on this) Bowser has Goomba's working in his castle at the time, and seeing as the Goomba's are described as traitors to the Mushroom Kingdom (sidenote: Toads and Goombas are related species, MatPat was wrong), the noted betrayal musta happened before any of Bowser's main series appearances. I believe that, in a sick twist of irony, Bowser's parents and Peach's parents killed each other in a war, a war started when the Goomba's betrayed the Mushroom Kingdom after years of being looked down upon (literally) by their Toad cousins.
but it would really give the world of mario a very serious feel and back story. also could be useful in making some really awesome super mario war games.
One plot hole in your theory. Peach was already an adult in super Mario bros. It states in the Japanese manual for super Mario bros, peach and her father ruled over the kingdom together until bowser kidnapped peach, and the king fled from the kingdom, leaving Mario to save her. (But then again, that is a plot hole within the games too.)
I love Bowser back stories or theories. These videos are cool and fun to watch. I simply think this: Koopa is derived from the Japanese word 'Kappa' meaning 'turtle people' and turtles can live for several years. And I mean hundreds. Bowser is actually rather young. Bowser is still very young. He's fully grown. But I also think the Power Stars keep Bowser going and they keep him safe. That's why he always gets back up. And gets back to it. Bowser is rich, has a huge army, airships, been to space, plays sports, and so on. I don't think he's crazy. He's just the perfect adversary. Not to mention Mario and Bowser have teamed up a few times. So I can say that they get along when the time and place calls it.
👏👏👏👏👏 Amen! And also, Bowser original name, Koopa, was actually a Korean dish that was extremely spicy. The difference was the spelling which was Kupa.
I always have respect for Bowser, he's my top favorite video game villain. I gotta admit this video was pretty interesting, not bad at all. For long as I'm alive, Bowser will never fade from my childhood memories. Long live Bowser, the undisputed King of the Koopas.
What are you suggesting... Kamek killed bowser's parents to gain in on the fortune? Well, he's certainley going to be fed to the wall of flesh either way.
I am simultaneously happy and sad at the same time right now: Sad because I can't subscribe twice, and Happy because of how legit this installment of "The Story You Never Knew" sounds to me. [Warning: long explication that is just the fan theory relating to Bowser's Origins] I spent the last 2 or 3 years believing the idea that the reason Kamek was always by Bowser's side was because Bowser lost his parents, most likely around birth. And I had come to the conclusion that Kamek is the would be Guardian of Bowser because the protection of Bowser was the previous Koopa King's final command to Kamek; though the gap that this theory had was that it didn't truly explain just who or what killed Bowser's Parents. Yet now, I might have the final piece to realize the full truth of Bowser's tragic past. Between this video and MatPat's similar theory on Bowser; I think we now know the full backstory of King Bowser Koopa. Bowser lost his parents to some unexplained cause as an infant (Kamek might be this mystery cause), and was raised by Kamek for some unexplained reason other than Kamek wishes to please Bowser. Bowser grew up with out a true Parental figure or any real Love, and this resulted in his character developing into what it is and him aiming to further expand his Rule. Though the pain of growing up without a Parent still hurts Bowser to this day, and he wouldn't want to force that kind of fate upon anyone except for maybe his biggest enemy (The Mario Bros). This explains why he supposedly adopts the Koopalings and treats them as high-ups in his army; because he wouldn't want the koopalings to grow up without anyone they can really call family. And this also explains the biggest character developing moment in the entire Mario series where Bowser and his biological son have a bonding moment and there is a true father son love between them that Bowser and Kamek never came close to having. And while the mystery behind Bowser Jr.'s missing mother still is yet to be (legitimately) explained; The idea that Bowser's parents' games were ended by Kamek could mean that Kamek tried to off both of Bowser Jr.'s Parents and repeat the cycle again and again until Kamek has complete control over the entire Koopa empire, and the plan partly failed and only caused the disappearance of the Koopa Queen. Though if Bowser was originally kidnapping Peach with the intent of forcing her to marry him; it raises the question as to why Bowser is still kidnapping Peach even after it is clear that Bowser had given up on the idea that Peach would ever marry him (As proven by the fact that Bowser Jr. is Bowser's biological son). The likely reason is that Kamek wants Bowser's kingdom to grow by taking control of the Mushroom Kingdom by taking control of Peach in order to expand the reach of Bowser's control (and Kamek's control by extent). Though there is a flaw in this theory in how Kamek could have easily left Bowser to die on multiple occasions in recent years (The final boss battles in New Super Mario Bros. Wii being the first that comes to mind). Maybe Kamek still wants to use Bowser for as long as he can until Mario and Luigi are out of the Picture. The point of all this is; This video here has raised some big questions to Kamek's loyalty to the royal Koopa line, and even as to his true motivations and plans as to what his end goal for the Mushroom and Koopa kingdoms is. Are these ideas all just silly fan theories that are the fans' attempt at building on the limited lore of the Mario Universe? Or is there some truth hidden here? Only time will tell if these dark secrets of the Koopa Kingdom will ever come to light; or remain in the shadow of obscurity.
If kamek didnt exist, neither would Bowser. Kamek is the reason Bowser gets revived at the end of most games. In NSMBU for example, when Bowser falls into lava, Bowser Jr. brings Kamek and points where Bowser is, and then Kamek revives him. This means that it isnt the first time this has happened, since Jr. and Kamek didn't hesitate on what to do
And how would that ever work logistically? They can't just mail out frozen goods, it doesn't work that way. They would have to start a legit company and sell their product to grocery stores and that just isn't going to happen. Just make your own.
Do you now have more compassion for our enemy-friend Bowser? Or are we full of the brown stuff that comes out of that hole in your butt? Let us know you wonderful boob hats :3
Not wathcing the entier yet, but What do you think about the Kart racers and the Party Games? "Wanna go Karting?" "Sure" "Hey peach should we invite Bowser?" "Nah, what could happen?"
I always thought that the Gumbas and Koopas were the original inhabitants of the Mushroom Kingdom until the Toads came along and drove them out and went to Bowser for help and protection
Suddenly worried that Kamek seems to interact with Bowser Junior a lot. I always kinda thought they were a happy Batman-like family. Also how does Bowser's suspected crush on Peach factor in?
"one day, when im bigger.... I wanna fight that mario again!" "Warping through space and time, adult bowser appears!!!" What if JR is the adult bowser in new island???
I know bowser is a criminal actually so yeah he is evil and Mario is just an ordinary plumber from Brooklyn who found a secret entrance to the mushroom kingdom and he realizes the princess is in danger so he helps her
Not to mention that Bowser adopted many Koopas(the other mini koopa bosses) which shows he wanted them to have the parents he never had, taking the Koopas out of an orphanage and giving them wealth, love and a sense of purpose
Whatsup onapple Actually, if Peach and Bowser ever somehow managed to escape the rules of biology and reproduce, then their child would be a horrible, disgusting amalgamate.
Assuming that Baby Bowser from the early Mario Party games is Bowser Jr (since Bowser is already there, it can't be his young self), that would explain why he would sometimes, albeit rarely, do good deeds for the players despite being instructed to wreck havoc - he was raised by a loving father, so he is more emotionally stable and compassionate. Perhaps peace between the Bowser family and the rest of the kingdom would occur after a few more generations? Though they seem to be, it hasn't been confirmed whether Bowser Jr and MP's Baby Bowser are the same person, so I could be plain wrong.
When he was defeated, he lost his giant powerup just like how Mario shrinks when defeated, it applies to Bowser too, just look at how tiny he was at the end of Super Mario Galaxy 2
This is another reason why Double Dash is one of the greatest games of all time. It provides emotional closure for all characters involved. Political and emotional differences are set aside and serious money is spent solely in the pursuit of fun. Mario and Bowser can and do happily ride a kart together and work together as a perfectly functional team. Everyone contributes with providing karts and real estate developed to be tracks and the result is one of the most heartwarming games the world has ever seen.
What happened to the "Bowser just wants to help his buds but Mario punches him in the face every time he tries to." theory? That one was less disheartening and made you feel for Bowser, a lot more than this one.
It explains how he’s so hasty to marry peach in odyssey. Think about it, he probably doesn’t know fully what marriage is but he knows that having a wife will make him happier and give him more power. The two things he wants.
I m not sure about Kamek being abussive and only interested for wealth. In bowser inside story we see that Kamek still teaches some manners to an adult Bowser.
dammit nintendo... why you gotta make your villians tragic? why you do dis? the feels maaaan! (sidenote, ey look at me making sidenotes, good vid keep it up :D)
Was about to watch this video while gaming... about 10 seconds in, I stopped the game to concentrate on the video and about 5 seconds later, the video was over. Awesome video, you really got me thinking. (Even tho, I never played Yoshis new Island, only SMW2, YI)
- Carl, there is a dead human in our house ! - Wow... heey... how did he get here? - Carl, what did you do? - Nothing... - Carl, please tell me what you were doing before I came... - Well, I was reading a book - Yes... - And this guy walked in... - Aaaand... - Aaand... I went to him... - Aaaaaand...? - And I stabbed him 37 times in the chest... - CAAAAARRL... that kills people, Carl... - Whoh... I ... I didn't know that - How could you not know that? - Well... I didn't know that... that's a fact - ...Where are his arms Carl? - Uhm.... I was hungry... aaand... I eat them both - CAAAAARL - My stomach was making the rumblings ... that only human arms could satisfy... - CAAARL... how could you do this Carl ? - Well... I am a bloody killer and I eat hands... these are two things... - CAAAAARL !!!! this needs to stop Carl... - But look at the good part, now we have fresh meat for the whole weekend... - This is to much Carl... - Ok, I promise I will never do this again... - You said the same when the mailman went missing last week , Carl... - But I wasn't involved in any way in... - He was bleeding in our basement, Carl... - I sware the dog did it, It wasn't me... - We don't own a dog , Carl... - It was the neighbour's dog... - None of our neighbours have dogs Carl... - How can you tell ... ? - All of them went missing a month ago when we moved in... - Well they must have hide somewhere... - No, Carl... I saw you yesterday stuffing one of the dogs in your throat... you ingested it's whole corpse like a snake... - I was just trying some chinese cuisine... - Admit it, Carl, it was you the whole time... - No, you have no evidences to prove that... - Because you ate all the evidences, Carl... - You can't accuse me for being hungry - It's not about your hunger, Carl... It's about all the things you murder... - I have never commited any murder... I just accidentally killed this person... - No one kills someone by "accidentally" stabbing him 38 times in the chest... - It was 37... - It's the same thing, Carl... - No it isn't... 37+1=38 - This wasn't a math question, Carl - I don't see your point then - Just stop killing things, Ok? - Ok, I promise I will not kill anything intentionally - And stop having "accidents", Carl - ok,ok... I will also not produce any accidents intentionally, ok? - Ok, and stop having accidental accidents... - You are asking to much - And you are killing to much - You forget to say "CARL" - Aaarrgh...
I'd love to see this concept further explored -- what about the times Bowser has to team up with Mario (Super Mario RPG, Bowser's Inside Story, etc.)? Are the games where he goes Go-Karting with him canon? What exactly IS the nature of the relationship between Bowser, Peach, and Mario? In terms of his role, I believe Bowser to be an equal and opposite of Peach -- the original Super Mario Bros. game manual said that he cursed the entire Mushroom Kingdom and she was the only one who could fix the damage, which is why Mario had to rescue her. I also think that there's an almost ritualistic element to the cycle of capture-and-rescue -- blame Gaijin Goombah for that. When did that ritual start? What is the origin of this trinity that keeps the Mushroom Kingdom spinning on its axis, and yet going nowhere? THAT'S a story I'd like to know.
I love him so so much. He's like the beast from beauty and the beast. Same exact life he had. Poor guy. I always side with the villains. If I was an actor, I'd be honored to play a villain. He also somewhat looks like a turtle or a tortoise. I love turtles and tortoises.
Browser was raised with abusive parents. The reason he kidnaps Peach so often is because he sees her for to be a mother for his children, not wanting his kids to go through the same abuse and neglect he went through. He hates Mario because she loves him instead.
When treesicle starts talking about the kamek. Me:Did you think for a second that kamek being A WIZARD would've made himself rich with his magic powers
Bowser at least tried to give his son love...even in a twisted way, whilst Kamek only provided servitude for personal gain. I suppose it's a miracle Bowser was in love with Peach at all, that he understood love at all, considering his spoiled upbringing.
This is a pretty interesting video that shows who the real problem is in the Mushroom Kingdom. I always felt like that there's something sinister regarding Kamek; however, my personal theory is that Kamek actually created Bowser as a kind of twisted experimental weapon to take over the Mushroom Kingdom. Unfortunately, his impure motives and how much of a pushover he actually is resulted in his downfall.
Hitler of mario universe ?? Sociopath ?? Care nothing more than his empire ?? Gosh fortunately there's no need to start a debate for the simple fact the creator of this video has pretty confused idea of who the real villain and real sociopath of the series is ( certainly not King Koopa, THERE IS A GODDAMNED REASON WHY HE'S THE KING UNLIKE THE PSYCHO PLUMBER ). Not only that, there are a lot of stupid and controversial things you said, for example, Peach has Stockholm syndrome, meaning SHE'S THE CAUSE OF THE SEEMINGLY NEVERENDING KIDNAPPING. Damn it people, wake the heck up, don't believe everything you see and everything you listen, just think with your brains and not with someone else's.
Everyone has their theories some you agree and some you disagree. It's called the Internet and comments like these make you sound like a crybaby who's upset that no one is thinking the same thing you are. Calm down and don't take things so seriously, it's all just about a kids game anyway.
But what about how Bowser is really the hero? In the first Mario game, the manual states that Goombas are citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. However, the Goombas have turned traitorous and joined the Koopa Troop. Why would they do this unless Peach is bad. I mean, why else would a whole race leave their home that is now full of Toads?
In my Opinion, Bowser is the #1 "Villain " (at least, in my Book) And for good reason! He's one the most Multi faceted Characters, hands down! Take a look at his pedigree and resumes; Bowser is a: 1) Father, 2) King, 3) General, 4) Castle Keeper, 5) Distributor of Wealth, Power, Military presence & assets, etc 6) a proverbial Deity of Wealth, Power, Status, etc, 7) and a lonely individual with nothing better to do than kidnap Princesses.... why?! HE'S LONELY. He raises around 8 kids, runs more Castles then an Age of Empires Game, maintains an Army, distributes Money, offers employment opportunities and benefits, participates in Parties, Competitions and Events, AND fights off would be Heroes, all in a days work... is there anything Bowser DOESN'T DO!? Well, besides get laid, and a get a steady Koopa Queen to reign beside and such.... but seriously!? Why isn't Bowser getting any "...of the Year Awards??" Like, Father of The Year, or Man...Turtle of the Year??
I think Kamek does care for Bowser a lot, he's just raising Bowser by the norms of what an ideal Koopa king should be. There's a reason Bowser has such loyalty from his army, it's because to them, he represents strength and charisma, not brutality and selfishness. As the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi games have shown us, there are plenty of Koopas, Goombas, etc. who have defected from Bowsers army, because they don't like his type of leadership. Meaning Koopas CAN freely defect from the army if they so choose. So obviously, seeing as most of them stay and in fact think quite highly of Bowser, shows that Kamek did everything "right" when raising Bowser, seeing as most Koopas are happy with their leader, and thus also with Kameks parenting. Kamek isn't a bad parent, he's just a part of a larger system that glorifies bullies like Bowser.
The majority of his minions do tend to harp on about how cool and strong Bowser is, so... I'd believe it.
I didn't read anything you said yet
Now I red it
To be honest your theory makes sense but it sounds boring compared to treesicles.
But only in my opinion
My thoughts exactly. The Magikoopa fight in Super Mario RPG shows this to a pretty good extent with his Psychopath quote being "That's... my child?!" when under Smithy's control. Kamek does get a bit of the blame for Bowser's personality (though the RPG games do a much better job of characterizing Bowser, but Treesicle's videos tend to ignore those for the most part.) but as you mentioned that just seems to be the ideals of a good vassal serving their king and not a self-serving vizier who wants to be the real power. This selflessness comes through with his dogged determination to fight Mario no matter the personal cost to him.
Rich orphan boy with servant? Bowser is Batman confermed.
more like Nite Owl
true
Though something tells me that Kamek is not the Alfred that Bowser might think him to be.
Darian Alexander What a very original backstory
Yeah, but, Alfred actually cared about Bruce.
Bowser just needs a hug
The poor guy :(
Or get laid.
But he already got a son such I have a thoery from a you tuber I think it's called nuggin who said that bowser is asexual aka reproduce himself
Clone coopa
Who Plays then where do female koopas come from?
I'm gonna be honest. If Bowser's parents were as big as Bowser i don't think Kamek would survive the assassination attempt.
He could have poisoned them.
oh hey, I've seen you somewhere before
also, Kamek has his Magic Wand, so it's possible I would guess
Valid career choices
1. Kidnap
2. Destroy
3. Meme
Litten Love meme
Silver Luck I’ll choose 3
Basically having good parents will usually result in a kindhearted and good person. Without good parents it's hard to turn shit around!
I Have Good Parents But Only My Older Sister Can Be Considered a Good Child
Sceptile TheHedgehog well, good parents do their best, at this point it is kinda your faul??...
my parents raised me and my twin well, to make us be good childs, but we often do bad things. our parents always say to us that it was bad, and when we make effort not to do it again, it is proof that we aren't totally bad. but sometimes we can't help it, and they understand.
so maybe you think you are a bad child, but in reality you just never knew you just had to try to do the right things to be a good child, or your parents just didn't understand that your couldn't help it? anyway, it is rare that a child from a bad family become good without any outside interation (for exemple having good friends who act has a good family) and vice-versa.
Not really. I know of some absolute shitheads whose parents seem WAYYY too good for them.
@@whatshappeninganymore2473 or..... They can be bad parents and one kid survived and actually became good.
This is why Bowser is my favorite character
Patricia yah me too hes a bad ass. but certainly not as much as I
So true
He’s the only character I’ll play as when he’s an option. He my favorite too!😊
It’s good to see some fellow Bowser fans!! Go Bowser go, Bowser is my all time favorite character of all time.
wait a second...
-Orphan
-Rich
-Hangs out in dark places
HOLY SHIT BOWSER IS BATMAN
NANANANANANANA BOWSERMAN!!! 12:15
oh shieeet..
the dark turtle rises
AAAAAAA
OMG!!!!!!!!!
He's not the hero we needed but the hero we deserve.
I always thought that Kammek (or however it's spelled) was an adviser to the Old King Koopa, Bowser's father. As for Kammek killing the old king, I kinda doubt it. He's to spineless to pull off something like that, and even if he did somebody was bound to have gotten suspicious, but have you noticed something odd about Bowser being an orphan? If you played Partner's in Time, you'll notice that Peach is ALSO AN ORPHAN! King and Queen Toadstool are nowhere to be found! And (just follow me on this) Bowser has Goomba's working in his castle at the time, and seeing as the Goomba's are described as traitors to the Mushroom Kingdom (sidenote: Toads and Goombas are related species, MatPat was wrong), the noted betrayal musta happened before any of Bowser's main series appearances. I believe that, in a sick twist of irony, Bowser's parents and Peach's parents killed each other in a war, a war started when the Goomba's betrayed the Mushroom Kingdom after years of being looked down upon (literally) by their Toad cousins.
I could believe it.
It makes sense but in my opinion your theory is kinda boring compared to treesicle's.
but it would really give the world of mario a very serious feel and back story. also could be useful in making some really awesome super mario war games.
One plot hole in your theory. Peach was already an adult in super Mario bros. It states in the Japanese manual for super Mario bros, peach and her father ruled over the kingdom together until bowser kidnapped peach, and the king fled from the kingdom, leaving Mario to save her. (But then again, that is a plot hole within the games too.)
i think its Kamek i could be wrong
I love Bowser back stories or theories. These videos are cool and fun to watch. I simply think this: Koopa is derived from the Japanese word 'Kappa' meaning 'turtle people' and turtles can live for several years. And I mean hundreds. Bowser is actually rather young. Bowser is still very young. He's fully grown. But I also think the Power Stars keep Bowser going and they keep him safe. That's why he always gets back up. And gets back to it. Bowser is rich, has a huge army, airships, been to space, plays sports, and so on. I don't think he's crazy. He's just the perfect adversary. Not to mention Mario and Bowser have teamed up a few times. So I can say that they get along when the time and place calls it.
Brandon Diaz when they team up for example super paper mario i have the game
👏👏👏👏👏 Amen! And also, Bowser original name, Koopa, was actually a Korean dish that was extremely spicy. The difference was the spelling which was Kupa.
I always have respect for Bowser, he's my top favorite video game villain.
I gotta admit this video was pretty interesting, not bad at all. For long as I'm alive, Bowser will never fade from my childhood memories.
Long live Bowser, the undisputed King of the Koopas.
Looks like I'm on the gaming side of the UA-cam Bowser again.
Get it? 'Cuz Browser and Bow- SCREW YOU IT'S PUNNY.
Yea, it kind of is. Why screw me though? :/
+Cezary Dudkiewicz Uh. Because yes.
+Javier Del Toro Well then fuk off, the joke's not funny now
+Cezary Dudkiewicz Well okay then.
the fuck is UA-cam?
What are you suggesting... Kamek killed bowser's parents to gain in on the fortune?
Well, he's certainley going to be fed to the wall of flesh either way.
(Terraria, not DND version)
i believe Bowsers parents died
due to Kamek
so now Kamek is a follower of Bowser
its guilt
this makes more sense when you watch the Nintendo switch parental control video
Erfan THE RED I am in love with your pic. I love that Joker.
I am simultaneously happy and sad at the same time right now:
Sad because I can't subscribe twice,
and Happy because of how legit this installment of "The Story You Never Knew" sounds to me.
[Warning: long explication that is just the fan theory relating to Bowser's Origins]
I spent the last 2 or 3 years believing the idea that the reason Kamek was always by Bowser's side was because Bowser lost his parents, most likely around birth. And I had come to the conclusion that Kamek is the would be Guardian of Bowser because the protection of Bowser was the previous Koopa King's final command to Kamek; though the gap that this theory had was that it didn't truly explain just who or what killed Bowser's Parents. Yet now, I might have the final piece to realize the full truth of Bowser's tragic past. Between this video and MatPat's similar theory on Bowser; I think we now know the full backstory of King Bowser Koopa.
Bowser lost his parents to some unexplained cause as an infant (Kamek might be this mystery cause), and was raised by Kamek for some unexplained reason other than Kamek wishes to please Bowser. Bowser grew up with out a true Parental figure or any real Love, and this resulted in his character developing into what it is and him aiming to further expand his Rule. Though the pain of growing up without a Parent still hurts Bowser to this day, and he wouldn't want to force that kind of fate upon anyone except for maybe his biggest enemy (The Mario Bros). This explains why he supposedly adopts the Koopalings and treats them as high-ups in his army; because he wouldn't want the koopalings to grow up without anyone they can really call family. And this also explains the biggest character developing moment in the entire Mario series where Bowser and his biological son have a bonding moment and there is a true father son love between them that Bowser and Kamek never came close to having. And while the mystery behind Bowser Jr.'s missing mother still is yet to be (legitimately) explained; The idea that Bowser's parents' games were ended by Kamek could mean that Kamek tried to off both of Bowser Jr.'s Parents and repeat the cycle again and again until Kamek has complete control over the entire Koopa empire, and the plan partly failed and only caused the disappearance of the Koopa Queen.
Though if Bowser was originally kidnapping Peach with the intent of forcing her to marry him; it raises the question as to why Bowser is still kidnapping Peach even after it is clear that Bowser had given up on the idea that Peach would ever marry him (As proven by the fact that Bowser Jr. is Bowser's biological son). The likely reason is that Kamek wants Bowser's kingdom to grow by taking control of the Mushroom Kingdom by taking control of Peach in order to expand the reach of Bowser's control (and Kamek's control by extent). Though there is a flaw in this theory in how Kamek could have easily left Bowser to die on multiple occasions in recent years (The final boss battles in New Super Mario Bros. Wii being the first that comes to mind). Maybe Kamek still wants to use Bowser for as long as he can until Mario and Luigi are out of the Picture.
The point of all this is; This video here has raised some big questions to Kamek's loyalty to the royal Koopa line, and even as to his true motivations and plans as to what his end goal for the Mushroom and Koopa kingdoms is. Are these ideas all just silly fan theories that are the fans' attempt at building on the limited lore of the Mario Universe? Or is there some truth hidden here?
Only time will tell if these dark secrets of the Koopa Kingdom will ever come to light; or remain in the shadow of obscurity.
Nevermind.
Mario Odyssey just proved me wrong in that Bowser is still trying to marry Peach.
If kamek didnt exist, neither would Bowser. Kamek is the reason Bowser gets revived at the end of most games. In NSMBU for example, when Bowser falls into lava, Bowser Jr. brings Kamek and points where Bowser is, and then Kamek revives him. This means that it isnt the first time this has happened, since Jr. and Kamek didn't hesitate on what to do
Kamek didn't revived Bowser,he made him giant,thats all.
Like before I watch because Treesicle never failed me
How about that ash episode
Yeah I totally agree you are a problem
Jake Haws jjio
Same
Oh my god.
We need a proper game for Bowser, the poor thing...
Reptrilian (ayyydylaooo) Mario a and Luigi: Bowser's inside story
Panc4kes _ well yeah, but I mean one solely about him.
Reptrilian (ayyydylaooo) super bowser bros.
I literally have that game XD
Reptrilian (ayyydylaooo) if Nintendo made four games about wario, then why not bowser?
Would it be possible for you to invest in legit Tree-Shaped Popsicles in the far future?
I'd buy them.
Lime or green apple flavour perhaps?
And how would that ever work logistically? They can't just mail out frozen goods, it doesn't work that way. They would have to start a legit company and sell their product to grocery stores and that just isn't going to happen. Just make your own.
@@trod146 They could sell molds and liquid.
RPG Bowser is downright hilarious and amazing. Love his and Kamek's comedic roles in TTYD.
So Kamek = Evil Alfred?
and Bower = Evil Batman?
I still need an explanation on who the hell gave birth to Bowser Jr
Harambe
i think that bowser did.
Bowser reproduced asexually.
Myamoto
Mitosis
Legends say that the Tree Popsicle Group will respond to you ironically
Nah.
Wow, I really should stop assuming things.
U know what happens when u assume, it make ass out u and me
[Insert Generic UA-cam Name Here] wanna voice act
Do you now have more compassion for our enemy-friend Bowser? Or are we full of the brown stuff that comes out of that hole in your butt? Let us know you wonderful boob hats :3
YES keep it up!!!
NEVA FUCK BOWSA
Not wathcing the entier yet, but
What do you think about the Kart racers and the Party Games?
"Wanna go Karting?" "Sure"
"Hey peach should we invite Bowser?" "Nah, what could happen?"
i really should've written NEVA, FUCK BOWSA
I already knew some of this
Waluigi: The Story You Never Knew
SpeedemonX spoiler:waluigi is the god of the mushroom kingdom
In the next mario game. we need kamek as the main villian
And we need M64 Mario to punch his face in.
agreed
I always thought that the Gumbas and Koopas were the original inhabitants of the Mushroom Kingdom until the Toads came along and drove them out and went to Bowser for help and protection
#DinosaurLivesMatter #KoopaLivesMatter
Suddenly worried that Kamek seems to interact with Bowser Junior a lot. I always kinda thought they were a happy Batman-like family.
Also how does Bowser's suspected crush on Peach factor in?
Bowser's Inside Story and Super Mario RPG has a lot of interesting character development for Bowser too.
"one day, when im bigger.... I wanna fight that mario again!"
"Warping through space and time, adult bowser appears!!!"
What if JR is the adult bowser in new island???
Interesting theory, kinda funny tho, so normal Bowser is still a baby, but his adult son from two generations later comes back in time
I swear to god if this is another Bowser is good and Mario is evil video.
Bowser is evil. but i like him better evil
I know bowser is a criminal actually so yeah he is evil and Mario is just an ordinary plumber from Brooklyn who found a secret entrance to the mushroom kingdom and he realizes the princess is in danger so he helps her
Intergalactic Inferno No not really
Jake Haws thats why my theory is that the entire franchise is Mario tripping balls
I feel like I saw an episode of Game Theory xD Loved it
Not to mention that Bowser adopted many Koopas(the other mini koopa bosses) which shows he wanted them to have the parents he never had, taking the Koopas out of an orphanage and giving them wealth, love and a sense of purpose
so if Bowser is so lonely, how come he was able to reproduce?
He didn't need to, the stork delivered Bowser Jr
Lauchlin Yurchuk why do you think that peach had to think about being Bowser jr's mom???? It's self explanatory 😉😉
Whatsup onapple Actually, if Peach and Bowser ever somehow managed to escape the rules of biology and reproduce, then their child would be a horrible, disgusting amalgamate.
Idk... maybe Bowser had a wife then divorced and kept the Bowser Jr.
And to cope with lonelyness thats why he is always kidnapping Peach... and maybe Peach because of her kindness.
The turtle love is real
Assuming that Baby Bowser from the early Mario Party games is Bowser Jr (since Bowser is already there, it can't be his young self), that would explain why he would sometimes, albeit rarely, do good deeds for the players despite being instructed to wreck havoc - he was raised by a loving father, so he is more emotionally stable and compassionate.
Perhaps peace between the Bowser family and the rest of the kingdom would occur after a few more generations?
Though they seem to be, it hasn't been confirmed whether Bowser Jr and MP's Baby Bowser are the same person, so I could be plain wrong.
Don't the early Mario Party have multiple Baby Bowsers? I think they're possibly clones or adopted kids
10:13 How is bowser so large in the hot tub and then in the next cutscene he's back to his normal size!?
BlueAmpharos Kamek shrunk him off-screen
So Bowser took his childhood babysitter with him on vacation? Seems kind of odd.
When he was defeated, he lost his giant powerup just like how Mario shrinks when defeated, it applies to Bowser too, just look at how tiny he was at the end of Super Mario Galaxy 2
11:45 dayum Grant. Back at it again with the 'family friendly' cursing
He's not really lonely tho. He got, like, 8 kids and a Bowsqueisha paying him child support. He's got Kamek and Peach too.
I choked on my soda at bowserqueisha.
***** He just sticking up for the homie. Ask my boy Maury if you don't believe it.
XXlunixXX he's lonely. His wife died and that's one of the main reasons bowser is evil
Lol bowsqueisha
This is another reason why Double Dash is one of the greatest games of all time. It provides emotional closure for all characters involved. Political and emotional differences are set aside and serious money is spent solely in the pursuit of fun. Mario and Bowser can and do happily ride a kart together and work together as a perfectly functional team. Everyone contributes with providing karts and real estate developed to be tracks and the result is one of the most heartwarming games the world has ever seen.
What happened to the "Bowser just wants to help his buds but Mario punches him in the face every time he tries to." theory?
That one was less disheartening and made you feel for Bowser, a lot more than this one.
No, bowser is evil
Super Mario Dan
So is Mario.
"Fire is to ice as ice is to fire. Dangerous."
He's a plumber tho XD
but not anymore
"Dinosaurs are people too, you know."
"No they're not, they're dinosaurs! That's why they're called dinosaurs!"
Hello Tree
Hello
Brandon Sanders
Brandon Sanders tree machine broke
Can't wait to see the game where Mario and Peach are both missing, and Bowser's like: Oh Hell no! I'm the only one who messes with these two!
wasn't there a Yoshi island 2 on ds?
It's a remake so there was no point to mentioning it
Yes, Yoshi's Island DS, I believe that one takes place later than Yoshi's New Island.
No, it's not. It's a sequel. Just because it has a similar name to "Super Mario 64 DS" doesn't mean it's a remake.
Brandon you're dumb as dumb. It's not a remake
You mean yoshi's island ds? that is the third game in the Yoshi's Island trilogy?
It explains how he’s so hasty to marry peach in odyssey.
Think about it, he probably doesn’t know fully what marriage is but he knows that having a wife will make him happier and give him more power.
The two things he wants.
We need to get out of here,start the car.
I SAID GET FUCKING CAR!
I m not sure about Kamek being abussive and only interested for wealth. In bowser inside story we see that Kamek still teaches some manners to an adult Bowser.
treesicle's gonna need to update this story real soon
Loving that The Alternate Route music.
dammit nintendo... why you gotta make your villians tragic? why you do dis? the feels maaaan! (sidenote, ey look at me making sidenotes, good vid keep it up :D)
Was about to watch this video while gaming... about 10 seconds in, I stopped the game to concentrate on the video and about 5 seconds later, the video was over. Awesome video, you really got me thinking. (Even tho, I never played Yoshis new Island, only SMW2, YI)
as always treesicle funny and intersting can.you do gears of war
;)
- Carl, there is a dead human in our house !
- Wow... heey... how did he get here?
- Carl, what did you do?
- Nothing...
- Carl, please tell me what you were doing before I came...
- Well, I was reading a book
- Yes...
- And this guy walked in...
- Aaaand...
- Aaand... I went to him...
- Aaaaaand...?
- And I stabbed him 37 times in the chest...
- CAAAAARRL... that kills people, Carl...
- Whoh... I ... I didn't know that
- How could you not know that?
- Well... I didn't know that... that's a fact
- ...Where are his arms Carl?
- Uhm.... I was hungry... aaand... I eat them both
- CAAAAARL
- My stomach was making the rumblings ... that only human arms could satisfy...
- CAAARL... how could you do this Carl ?
- Well... I am a bloody killer and I eat hands... these are two things...
- CAAAAARL !!!! this needs to stop Carl...
- But look at the good part, now we have fresh meat for the whole weekend...
- This is to much Carl...
- Ok, I promise I will never do this again...
- You said the same when the mailman went missing last week , Carl...
- But I wasn't involved in any way in...
- He was bleeding in our basement, Carl...
- I sware the dog did it, It wasn't me...
- We don't own a dog , Carl...
- It was the neighbour's dog...
- None of our neighbours have dogs Carl...
- How can you tell ... ?
- All of them went missing a month ago when we moved in...
- Well they must have hide somewhere...
- No, Carl... I saw you yesterday stuffing one of the dogs in your throat... you ingested it's whole corpse like a snake...
- I was just trying some chinese cuisine...
- Admit it, Carl, it was you the whole time...
- No, you have no evidences to prove that...
- Because you ate all the evidences, Carl...
- You can't accuse me for being hungry
- It's not about your hunger, Carl... It's about all the things you murder...
- I have never commited any murder... I just accidentally killed this person...
- No one kills someone by "accidentally" stabbing him 38 times in the chest...
- It was 37...
- It's the same thing, Carl...
- No it isn't... 37+1=38
- This wasn't a math question, Carl
- I don't see your point then
- Just stop killing things, Ok?
- Ok, I promise I will not kill anything intentionally
- And stop having "accidents", Carl
- ok,ok... I will also not produce any accidents intentionally, ok?
- Ok, and stop having accidental accidents...
- You are asking to much
- And you are killing to much
- You forget to say "CARL"
- Aaarrgh...
ᏰĪᏝᏝ ՇÎρɧᏋƦ how does this only have 5 likes its hilarious
Sans The not yet Skeleton ikr
Sans The not yet Skeleton ps before sans its steven
I'd love to see this concept further explored -- what about the times Bowser has to team up with Mario (Super Mario RPG, Bowser's Inside Story, etc.)? Are the games where he goes Go-Karting with him canon? What exactly IS the nature of the relationship between Bowser, Peach, and Mario?
In terms of his role, I believe Bowser to be an equal and opposite of Peach -- the original Super Mario Bros. game manual said that he cursed the entire Mushroom Kingdom and she was the only one who could fix the damage, which is why Mario had to rescue her. I also think that there's an almost ritualistic element to the cycle of capture-and-rescue -- blame Gaijin Goombah for that.
When did that ritual start? What is the origin of this trinity that keeps the Mushroom Kingdom spinning on its axis, and yet going nowhere? THAT'S a story I'd like to know.
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
I love him so so much. He's like the beast from beauty and the beast. Same exact life he had. Poor guy. I always side with the villains. If I was an actor, I'd be honored to play a villain.
He also somewhat looks like a turtle or a tortoise. I love turtles and tortoises.
So...Bowser is a TURTLE?!
Sure he is a MUTANT turtle. what did you think he is
He’s a mystic creature called a dragon turtle a Chinese creature that once existed can’t you see he’s a dragon too he breathes fire
Lol bowser mutant evil turtle
This ties in really well with game theroy's thing about Mario and bowser and basically all their Mario theroys
Treesicle, please make a TF2 story you never knew video!
Browser was raised with abusive parents. The reason he kidnaps Peach so often is because he sees her for to be a mother for his children, not wanting his kids to go through the same abuse and neglect he went through. He hates Mario because she loves him instead.
who is jr bowser's and koupalinks's mother? the story we never knew plz :D
The Koopalings are adopted, so we don't know both parents for them.
miyamoto said hes the mother of bowser jr 😂😂
LuckyFox Jordan03 the Koopalings are actually adopted, bowser jr's mother died but no one knows about the Koopalings real parents.
Love these
DO RED VS BLUE!!!!! I know that's never happening :(
When treesicle starts talking about the kamek. Me:Did you think for a second that kamek being A WIZARD would've made himself
rich with his magic powers
Does Giga bowser tie into this anywhere?
Giga Bowser is a Smash exclusive.
Hey, you kidnapped the princess, but hey, let's go go-karting! And play golf! And tennis!
aww come on look I really don't wanna be the bad guy here but please I just want smash bros the story you never knew 😢
Bowser at least tried to give his son love...even in a twisted way, whilst Kamek only provided servitude for personal gain. I suppose it's a miracle Bowser was in love with Peach at all, that he understood love at all, considering his spoiled upbringing.
Bowsers jr real mama is Shigeru Miyamoto :v
Javier Orozco it’s bowsette
Bowser is actually a pretty good dad, he loves his kids and gives the castles, also he adopted the Koopalings
When i was little i thought kamek was a girl.
If only I could be Mr. Pipe in Marios Time Machine...
I hate you because that voice is so damn good
"dinosaurs are people too, you little turtle man"
#KammekKilledBowsersParents
Now I really want to see an alternate timeline where bowser was well raised, and takes on the role of hero with his incredible abilities
gt has a better theory
This is a pretty interesting video that shows who the real problem is in the Mushroom Kingdom. I always felt like that there's something sinister regarding Kamek; however, my personal theory is that Kamek actually created Bowser as a kind of twisted experimental weapon to take over the Mushroom Kingdom. Unfortunately, his impure motives and how much of a pushover he actually is resulted in his downfall.
Hitler of mario universe ?? Sociopath ?? Care nothing more than his empire ?? Gosh fortunately there's no need to start a debate for the simple fact the creator of this video has pretty confused idea of who the real villain and real sociopath of the series is ( certainly not King Koopa, THERE IS A GODDAMNED REASON WHY HE'S THE KING UNLIKE THE PSYCHO PLUMBER ). Not only that, there are a lot of stupid and controversial things you said, for example, Peach has Stockholm syndrome, meaning SHE'S THE CAUSE OF THE SEEMINGLY NEVERENDING KIDNAPPING.
Damn it people, wake the heck up, don't believe everything you see and everything you listen, just think with your brains and not with someone else's.
Everyone has their theories some you agree and some you disagree.
It's called the Internet and comments like these make you sound like a crybaby who's upset that no one is thinking the same thing you are. Calm down and don't take things so seriously, it's all just about a kids game anyway.
the irony of the last part is real
Treesicle didn't say ANY of that except for the first two things.
You're thinking of MatPat.
Love the hard work of the video then not to get the recognition you deserve amazing video loved it
First
Since I was 15, I’ve had schizophrenia. And I’ve for the longest time, wanted to fully understand treesicles stories
Bowser probably went back in time and kidnaped his past self
It's kinda like adventure time, Finn and Jake are the renowned heroes and Ice king as the lonely king.
But what about how Bowser is really the hero? In the first Mario game, the manual states that Goombas are citizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. However, the Goombas have turned traitorous and joined the Koopa Troop. Why would they do this unless Peach is bad. I mean, why else would a whole race leave their home that is now full of Toads?
So close to 500k Good Luck
**Video gets to part about Browser changing his destiny**
Me:"IF YOU COULD YER FATE, *WOULDJA?!?!!*"
The hole time I kept thinking kamik was cody
MARIO AND BOWSER COULD HAVE BEEN LIVING TOGETHER BEING FRIENDS FOR LIFE
Something i never knew was Bowser is actually a pretty good dad
*That Parental Controls ad tho, dont let them see that ad, no matter what*
Remember Super Mario RPG? Remember when there was a threat to the kingdom so great that Bowser was a protagonist?
Bowser is just a struggling father who was raised by Kamek and wants to be a better father.
What if they make a game were Bowser thinks that Mario/peach stole his son and actually destroys the mushroom kingdom
Bowser needs more love. Playing Bowser in Smash is a good start...
In my Opinion, Bowser is the #1 "Villain " (at least, in my Book)
And for good reason! He's one the most Multi faceted Characters, hands down! Take a look at his pedigree and resumes;
Bowser is a:
1) Father,
2) King,
3) General,
4) Castle Keeper,
5) Distributor of Wealth, Power,
Military presence & assets, etc
6) a proverbial Deity of Wealth, Power, Status, etc,
7) and a lonely individual with nothing better to do than kidnap Princesses.... why?! HE'S LONELY.
He raises around 8 kids, runs more Castles then an Age of Empires Game, maintains an Army, distributes Money, offers employment opportunities and benefits, participates in Parties, Competitions and Events,
AND fights off would be Heroes, all in a days work... is there anything Bowser DOESN'T DO!?
Well, besides get laid, and a get a steady Koopa Queen to reign beside and such.... but seriously!?
Why isn't Bowser getting any
"...of the Year Awards??" Like,
Father of The Year, or
Man...Turtle of the Year??
Plus, Bowser needs his own Game
What about Yoshi's Island DS? There Baby-Bowser teams up with Yoshi (and the other babys) for some time.
4:18
You know, Mario DID travel through time with a magic warp pipe.
I really like your guys content, thanks finally
this is where dialga and palkia comes in since mario and bowser traveling space and time
Bowser does own his own time machine. There's even a game about it.