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AMD Ryzen 5 5600 vs. i5-12400 & 5600X CPU Review & Benchmarks
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- More than a year after AMD launched their Ryzen 5000 CPUs, budget friendly versions of the architecture are available. We start by looking at the R5 5600 against the 5600X & i5-12400.
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These benchmarks of the AMD R5 5600 vs. Intel i5-12400 and AMD R5 5600X (and i5-12500 and several others) looks at gaming performance, video editing and rendering performance, code compile, power consumption, 3D modeling and art, and more. Our goal is to determine whether the new R5 5600 is worth it, particularly against the long-standing R5 5600X which has recently faced challenges from Intel’s Alder Lake 12th Gen CPUs. We’ll be reviewing the AMD Ryzen 5 5500, R7 5700X, and R5 4500 in upcoming videos, but for now, the focus is on the R5 5600.
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00:00 - AMD R5 5600 Review
02:44 - New AMD CPU Specs (R5 5600, 5500)
05:26 - Ryzen 5 5600 Frequency Validation
06:38 - Rainbow Six Siege CPU Benchmarks
08:24 - Cyberpunk 2077 R5 5600 vs. 5600X
09:14 - F1 2021 AMD R5 5600 vs. i5-12400
09:49 - CSGO Benchmarks R5 5600 vs. i5-12400
10:55 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Best Gaming CPUs
11:32 - Far Cry 6 & Frametime Plot
12:35 - Blender Cycles CPU Rendering
13:58 - Adobe Premiere CPU Benchmarks
14:58 - Adobe Photoshop Best CPUs
15:37 - Chromium Code Compile CPU Benchmarks
16:23 - 7-Zip Compression & Decompression
17:45 - Power Benchmark in Blender & Cinebench
19:01 - Conclusion
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You posted the 5600x review link for the i5-12400 review.
Useful comparison to the 5600x, but it would have been more informative to also include the 5500 in the benchmarks.
Steve,
You forgot to mention that I5-12400 has integrated GPU and the AMD one doesn't have. That's pretty significant for people like me that don't play games. And this probably affects power consumption of the CPU.
how much impact has the spectra 2 AMD fix effected their CPU'S
5600x is 209$ now
Honestly, I wasn't sure a 5600 was going to even exist this generation.
Same. We were starting to question whether AMD would ever bother with the sub-$300 MSRP parts for this generation!
sad it took this long for AMD to release it though
AMD isn't your friend, they charged as much as they could for as long as they could get away with. Just like Intel/Nvidia.
@@Staarfury "(insert company here) isn't your friend" is something a lot of people have to learn the hard way, sadly.
I was surprised when I heard it was actually going to exist. Currently planning on building a new itx build, so need to look over reviews now and check out prices for a 5600 Vs 12400(f) itx build to see what makes sense.
I'd pay the extra for the X, because X gon give it to ya
Why would you pay extra if he's going to give it to you anyways? Jarrod I am concerned about your business skills.
First we gonna rock, then gonna roll
@@__aceofspades I think you need to pay extra for him to deliver to ya
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As a 3700x w/ B550 owner, this really helps give me some perspective as somebody who exclusively uses their computer for 1440p single player gaming. I've been thinking about upgrading, given the 5000 series price drops and the prospective 5800x3D. Seeing the very small performance uplift the newer generation offers, I think I'll pass and continue to see what AM5 has to offer. Thanks for all the work. I just bought some coasters to show support.
AM5 DDR5 ONLY so add $450 for your ram
I would like to think it will continue to become cheaper until I'm looking to upgrade around this time next year.
Glad it helps give some perspective! Thanks for your comment and your support! We look forward to helping with the next series!
I'm doing the same. Was going to get the 5800x because of the recent price drop, but I'll just save for a ddr5 motherbaord and am5 now
I would wait for am5 also the 3700x isn’t outdated just yet I would wait
Imagine if this had come at launch.
This is exactly why we need competition in the market.
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This is AMD ,, if at launch would have been US$390 ,, so just would have seen more price GOUGING
Im sure they have this product during their R&D stage and they just observe intel dont have lower end product that time. So they decided to launch the higher end product "X" variant only to squeeze money to consumers.. That is business with no competition.. Totally unfavorable to us!
Even at launch, would the X model be justifiable and what would the price have been? This is honestly ridiculous, they should of made an upgraded version of the 5600x or not done anything at all. 1% difference? Lol wtf?
@tilapiadave3234 Don't act like AMD are the only ones price gouging, Intel and Nvidia have done the same for generations now
Steve, we worked this out in 2019 with Ryzen3000.
An X back then was $50.
An X now is only $30.
That's a 40% reduction in the cost of X's. 😜
Lol.
Hahaa 😅😅
Now its 30$ after over a freakin year being 100$ or more.
@@syrynx4454 Nah, not at all. If they released the 5600 back over a year ago when the X was out, its MSRP would've been 250-270 anyway, not the 200 it is now. Economics my good man. 😎👍
@@MafiaboysWorld they probably would've and the 5600 would still be a poor buy
I am loving the fact that basically the pricing is so constant versus performance that a non technical person could theoretically buy based on price and for the most part hit the same performance regardless of manufacturer
That is just CPU price not platform price. Intel boards tend to be rather more expensive nowadays.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Not to mention RAM too especially if the store only has DDR5 like what happened with the Customer at Microcenter. However, if a person is buying online (as there are plenty of boards to choose from) then Douglas is correct.
Unless they buy the 5600X or 5800X. Or an Intel K CPU if they don’t overclock
In new zealand it is roughly 100 nzd or so cheaper to buy intel. which is funny considering historically amd was far cheaper.
@@earthtaurus5515 Well the issue with ram is when you start getting into rgb and stuff you can just spend way too much.
As a 5600X user, I'd advise all zen 3 users to use PBO and undervolt your CPU. It's just a couple of changes in your BIOS and in my case the 5600x hits 4.6GHz constantly on full load, lower temperature and lower consumption. Makes me wonder why it's not it's default setting, given how good it is.
The channel Optimum Tech has a quick guide on it with results, if anyone wants to check it out.
make me a video tutorial please... actually I'm afraid to touch the bios. but it's different from video tutorials
@@phuriezoy6520 the channel Optimum Tech has a good video on it. It's called Ryzen 5000 undervolting with PBO2. Check it out
AMD fine wine is crazy I can hit up to 4.85 boost
6:10, in this graph it would be really amazing to see the integral, effectively total cycles, plotted as at the bottom of the graph. Its really hard to make out just how much extra work is being done over the time, esp as one spikes and the other slides, and the integrals would show that really well.
Hey GN I really appreciate your team always being upfront and honest, it's been tremendously helpful in protecting me (and no doubt plenty of others!) from falling for marketing and making unwise purchases. Thank you!
Thank you for the detailed explanation of these gaming grade letters. This information has cleared up all of my questions and confusion surrounding these letter modifiers.
Back in December 2019 I bought the Ryzen 7 2700X for roughly $165, and I have just bought the Ryzen 5 5600 for the same price. Last realistic upgrade I'll do to this motherboard until I replace it in a few years, but I like how this AM4 architecture survived.
Great content! Just wish that Intel had applied enough competitive pressure sooner so that AMD would have launched the 5600 a year ago. That 2021 'X' tax was crazy!
It was still a good year to upgrade your CPU as opposed to your GPU
30$ extra on a 200$ part for a higher bin isn't "crazy" at all m8. If you think so then you need to go after the ENTIRE market! Also comparing a 1½ year old part to a new part and complaining about the price when it's virtually leveled out by now is - iffy at best!
intel already beat the previous ryzens with their 11th gen. amd was still selling out their stocks.
both due to increased demand, chip shortage, and great marketing.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j ok Mr Userbenchmark
@@Craider79 how does that work if only said higher bin is available? For a time when they could've released the lower bin all the time but didn't.
It's interesting to see that they both come with the same cooler, as the last gen it was widely considered that the X on the 3600 basically got you a better pack-in cooler and that was the reason for the slightly better clocks on the 3600X, not so much actual performance binning, and you could easily get the same performance with the 3600 by pairing it with a decent cheap cooler. It appears with the same pack in cooler in this generation, this is more apparent. I wonder if this maintains using the PBO, as this would better demonstrate higher clock/power tolerances, although it would have to be a bit greater than the 200Mhz difference, which would still make for very little difference in most titles.
I've been running a 4690k since early 2016 and finally decided it was time for an upgrade so I picked up the 5600 on sale at 129.99 with a free copy of Uncharted legacy of theives collection which is worth 50 bucks.
After seeing these benchmarks I'm feeling like I got a great deal.
You did, I used to have a 4690k with gtx 960 4gb and upgraded to a 5600x and rx 6600 last year and it's been brilliant (about 3x the performance of my old rig)..... I've now just ordered two 5600 and two more rx 6600 to upgrade my kid's pc's for Christmas
Thanks for keeping these companies on their toes Steve. Your humor about their marketing strategies is welcomed. ❤️
An important consideration is the fact 12400 has an iGPU, which is useful for troubleshooting; especially if we're still in the current GPU climate and your GPU dies, you're left with a non-working PC with AMD or Intel -F CPUs. It's a rare scenario but it's worth considering
Couldn't agree more, just bought i5 12400 recently and I would say the iGPU is pretty decent if only Im not a heavy worker, the iGPU only could definitely be a daily driver
Regarding in-socket upgrades; I was completely sure the Haswell i5 in my 2013 build would die with the system. I stretched my budget to get that i5 so the whole build would last me years, "until the next build". I'm now in year 9 of owning this system. I can't justify dropping the cash for a new system because I'm not a professional, my gaming has dwindled to a few minutes per week, and even so, my RX 570 still has a $200 street price. But I could justify $40 for an 4C/8T Xeon with boosted frequencies. The productivity and usability boost is noticeable and respectable considering the price I paid.
I guess the bottom line is, start with a chip that covers what you need it to do and don't overspend. Then if the need arises, upgrade.
Same situation here. I still have my i7-6700k from 7 years ago and I can't be any happier. Good CPU that gets the job done. I had to upgrade my GPU unfortunately to an RTX 2060S because of some software support issues I encountered (before the GPU shortage, fortunately), otherwise I would've kept my 1060 6GB. All tech UA-camrs usually push the latest and greatest, that's their job, nothing wrong with that, but that puts pressure on the consumer. So yeah, upgrade only if you need.
I recommend waiting dro Cashback promo from MSI and Gigabyte and snatching a good b550 for 50€ in total.
Coupling that with a 5600, you will have a CPU that is 100% faster in games than i7 4770k.
Much smoother 1% lows in gameplay, i5 Haswell may become a stuttering mess in newer games nowadays.
So you may want to look at this last AM4 platform as it will be couple years before DDR5 will be as cheap as DDR4 and so it's your last opportunity to upgrade before EoL for AM4 and LGA1700.
@@puffybuffy1503 I don't see how I'll be playing many more games with a 12900K versus a 4770 considering the GPU will have to stay the same... I am NOT paying 600€ for a NVidia 60 class card. 250€, maybe, for the OC version, but in this market I'd get a 1060 at best.
@ getting the i7 back when everyone was saying "an i5 is good enough for gaming" explains your longevity and was a really good buy. I got the 4690k and replaced it in January with a 12600k as it was really struggling with newer games/general tasks.
I did consider buying a 4790k as a stopgap solution until a new system but when I saw the reviews of the 12600k my mind was made up!
@@thrashstronaut Sandy/Ivy Bridge and Haswell were legendary. Both the beginning and the end of an era. I'm proud my little i5-4440 survived 8 years.
When I saw the 12400 I said to myself this is it, it's now or never. Sadly priorities are elsewhere and now my E3-1230v3 is ticking just fine. Growing up is bittersweet :')
I love that I learn stuff about what stuff is good or not so good with the new tech, how it compares to other stuff and I get a giggle while I'm doing it, thanks guys, great stuff.
I've been watching your vids lately and I just wanted to say Thank You for all the info
As someone who went from a 1600 to a 5600x the 5600 non x seems to be a fantastic upgrade path for those on 1st and 2nd gen ryzen I'm just glad intel finally gave AMD a reason to release the budget options now let's hope both companies keep this trend up (imo would like intel to make their boards and cpus way less tedious and confusing to buy tho) because when they're trading blows like this and leap frogging each other we as the consumer wins
@@rob22rtt don't have exact numbers but BF2042 went from struggling to handle 35fps with a 3070 at 1440p to sitting around 100fps with the same settings depending the game the change while big isn't as night as day warzone was already pushing like 80fps with the 5600x it was around like 130fps before the bloat dragged down the numbers but for games where your gpu is being held back by the 1600 the 5600x was night and day
5600 and 12400f are very close to eachother (if you find a good value B660)
Hope we get such competition in GPUs in next year
Excellent review loaded with good information. Thanks Steve and crew.
Thanks for the review Steve and GN Team. I assume it's already on the pipe, but it would be pretty nice to have a 5500 vs 5600 comparaison, just to see the effect of cache.
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i hope the bios updates actually do materialize for first gen adopters. so far only AsRock made their's available.
Not on ab350 :(
Asus has the 5000 series BIOS upgrade for Prime X370 Pro boards.
Not only ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, even Biostar have announce several BIOS for x370/b350
@@BlindNeverAgain yeah they all made news in January. And almost nothing is released
5600x on my years old b450m board with an update
30$ sounds like a steal compared to how much people will pay for an "i" on a product
Great testing! Why do the 1% or 0.1% lows seem higher for the 5600 compared to the 5600X? Is this just margin of error?
Super review ! I have an 2600 oc and this is the video I was waiting for
Isn’t competition nice? Looking forward to HEDT/ more PCIE lanes for regular desktop CPU’s.
Basically the difference is probably just binned chips right? So it took them long enough to have enough 5600x's that were just outside the bounds. Most of them are above it tho and could be overclocked (not that it gains that much)
It's called clearing inventory in preperation for the next CPU launch and making as much money as they can from older silicon they have lying around yes.
i have a 5600X o/c'd to 4.75ghz on air and some corsair ddr4 3600mhz lpx ram o/c'd to 3866mhz and in 3dmark compared to stock it's a 23% uplift in score for me. tell me that is not huge (granted it's mostly the ram that is responsible).
I don't think so. They could always sell "5600X" cpus as 5600 if they need to clear inventory. The real thing that happened is competition from intel
Is it possible to get a comparison with some of the older/lower end Ryzen CPUs? I think most of the best use cases for the new CPUs is going to be for people upgrading insocket, I am thinking of upgrading from a 1600AF and I have a friend considering upgrading from a 1300X and it would be really helpful to see if the performance uplifts are worth the hassle/cost of swapping CPUs. (especially because almost every one of your gaming benchmarks just reiterates your point that anything above a R5 3600 is mostly GPU bottlenecked.)
Can hardly wait for what you have to say about the upcoming X3D suffix, I am debating on purchasing it.
As an R5 AM4 early adopter looking to upgrade, and with AM4 reaching EOL, I would like to see a comparison between the 1600(x), 2600(x), 3600(x), and 5600(x).
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same i buy the r5 when they are in the 160 price range
And 5800X3D of course
Yes, I would as well!
Im in the same boat! Jumped into ryzen early and it's time to re-up(grade)
"They're kind of like friends, except they aren't friends and don't want to see each other" is how my friends feel about me.
Got an Artic 240 because of y'alls review and it's amazing
The amount of shade in this video is perfect. Thanks Steve!
Quick story, recently I purchased the 5600x over the i5-12400f. The reason being that when I took a trip to microcenter, I found a 5600x for $198, $20 more expensive than the Intel counterpart. However, the B550 MB where cheaper and had better features when compared to B660 MB. In other words, check whether the combo of CPU+MB offers the best value. Not Saying you should always go for a 5600x, just that you should consider the other requirements of your build.
Same. The B660 market is still quite slim.
And the mITX choices are especially meagre.
@@juveboy01033 did you say steak?
just buy a mobo with features you'll actually use
@@bgop346 That's my suggestion. The more expensive B660 available was more expensive and had less features (e.g a worst audio codec) than the b550 counterpart. It just turned out that it made sense in my case scenario. It may be different for someone else.
Not only are they expensive, it's hit or miss just going in a store and grabbing one. Really have to research up first. Heck if you're really tight on money, grab a B450 instead, sure you lose PCIE 4.0 but it shouldn't matter as long as your GPU uses the whole X16 slot
I love that the more entry level stuff is so competitive
With gpu prices going down and competition ramping up in the cpu space, I hope there is a golden age of of gaming ahead of us. With a sub-$1000 12400f rtx 3060 pc and a sub-$500 5500u laptop; I’m pretty happy
Great review as always! I upgraded from 1700x to 5600x recently and it made a BIG improvement for the games I play such DCS/ Digital combat simulator in VR, that is mostly single threaded and a can saturate any CPU to date. Was a good deal (bought MB + CPU second hand) and I think the r5 5600(x) is a great overall platform.
You guys have mentioned multiple times an older am4 platform upgrade with this new launch of AND CPUs. Could you do a video evaluating a couple of these scenarios?
Let's say, "ryzen early adopter has an x370 motherboard with 3000MHz DDR4 with r5 1600x" "this is their performance boost if they simply drop in an r5 5600; Here's their performance if they replaced the ram as well". Rinse/repeat for the next common platform, a b450 with an r5 2700.
What does a $200 cpu upgrade on a gen1 ryzen system get you? Is it really worth the trouble vs spending another $200 on motherboard+ram upgrade?
I just bought the 5600 and 16 more gigs of Trident Z RGB 3200 ram. Just waiting for the MSI 300 series bios update which they said should be by end of April 2022. Thinking i should see some decent gains especially with 32 gigs of ram now.
Damn, it still amazes me how incredibly efficient Ryzen 7 5800 is.
Idk where you can get one? I can’t even find them on eBay.
@@tylerkriesel8590 Why the hell are you looking for a CPU on ebay?
the only thing you'll find on there are scams and half dead CPU's.
@@RealShadowreaper perhaps that's got something to do with the fact that the 5800 (non-X) is an OEM-only product and therefore the only place you'd find them in would be in pre-built PCs or ebay.
Unless you've got a source to get the Ryzen 5800 that nobody knows about?
@@DuyLeNguyen Please tell me where I said it wasn't an OEM only CPU.
I just warned them that if they buy on ebay they'll probably end up getting scammed.
@@RealShadowreaper I said the reason he's looking on ebay probably has to do with it being an OEM product and probably not available in his region, I don't think I ever implied that you said anything about it hein OEM, I'm offering an explanation for why he's looking on ebay (which is a legitimate place to buy CPUs, they're not all scams)
Haven't had a proper gaming rig for a couple of years now, and had a decent case and PSU lying around, so thought I might try to build a pretty good rig for around 3-400$ in used parts. Planned to get the ol' and reliable 3600 for around 70-80$, but saw 5600 on sale for 150$ and got it after watching this. Such a great all-round CPU, that will be more than enough for most people for many years to come, imo.
Great to see Intel getting competitive again as well.
it's surprising just how little over a year of advancements, weird core mixing schemes, much larger cpu and socket and slightly higher power consumption gets you with the 12400, especially considering the same price point and obsolescence of every old motherboard and cooler as compared to the 5600 (not to mention higher mb prices too)
I'm a fullstack dev, just wanted to give you a benchmark suggestion... I often need to install a bunch of npm packages for example to strat an angular project, or an express web service. It'd be interesting to measure the performance of the CPU doing those tasks because they can be time consuming (compiling, decompressing). Also building docker images could be a great indicator of the CPU performance. I know this is a gaming oriented channel, but I'm sure a lot of people do this kind of things on a daily basis.
You can disect how well a cpu will perform in everything else based on the overall gaming benchmarks. However, amd has always seemed to excel in raw compute over intel for power. You cant go weong with either, tbh. Id pick amd though.
Same here, I'd want to see more production task metrics. Run some numpy array calculations for example, easy enough to do, just a couple of line of code.
@@timothyandrewnielsen Not necessarily. There are models which lag in games but shines in productivity. Some are also very optimized for it, for example using AVX512.
Intel's 12th power draw versus AMD's Zen 3, wew
thank you for the information 👍
First of all: as always from GN this is a great review and the slides are nicely laid out for the viewer to see the differences betwenn these processors!
But i have another question: how do these mid-tier CPU‘s scale with mid-tier graphics cards which may or may not be GPU and not CPU limited. I know every part combination would play out a little different but for example would a in socket upgrade from 3600 to 5600 worth it with a mid-tier GPU?
If your gpu is already maxed out in the games you play, upgrading to a new cpu isn't going to do a lot unless the game is cpu based which is usually not the case.
Hey @Gamers Nexus have you done any testing on different driver versions and how they preform on newer and older hardware?
I really enjoy this channel. Anyone looking for clear information about new cpu compared by brands and recent generations is just in the right place. I made recent upgrade from 3rd gen i7 3770 to Ryzen 7 3700x... Lucky number. I did spend 200 on this used 8 core processor when the other intel or amd options were 400 us. Now if gaming is your primary goal that 5600 is the best but I still recommend 3700x if price is lower. I use passmark PT and userbenchmark and I am getting same percentage differences like Steve GN but watching this video is so terrific and enjoyable experience. Good work. Can you review those benchmarking platforms? Thank you
For workstation sure the 3700x's extra cores will be better. But if your on a gaming system I'd definately recommend 5600x (or now this 5600) and/or i5 12400f instead. They are just much faster in single core and gaming performance.
Longest algebra video I've seen. Nice documentation. X doesn't seem to be a constant though. Looking forward to watching you solve for X3D
given that the 5800 is 300$ and the 5800x is 340$ right now, it's clear that the x is worth 40$. We also know that the 5800X3D is going to be 450$, now solving for D 450$=300$+3XD : D=(450-300)/3X : D=150/(3*40) : we can see that D is a contant equal to 1.25
Ty so much for this review its be perfectly usefull my upgrade.
I think another area of comparison could've been the usage for say a HTPC or a NAS. Maybe the 12400 would be good use case with the iGPU for quick sync/decoding without a discrete GPU unlike the 5600.
Adobe Premiere rendering sped up due to quick sync.
Possibly either of the two cpus doing virtualization or server hosting for games.
Now given that these are very very niche use cases and deviate from the standard testing suite, I think it would've still been cool to see. Eventually there'll be people who buy these and do the same things I've mentioned :)
Really looking forward to reviews on the 4100 and 4500 for ultra budget. Gotta know how they stack up to the 12100 and possibly even snagging used but older AM4 CPUs.
used market can have some nice deals, i picked up a 3600x locally, 120 bucks
Hopefully they stay in stock longer than their 3xxx counterparts
Me too. I did a couple of Ryzen 3100 builds for people in 2020 when those chips first came out. Four modern Zen 2 cores with SMT in budget systems was a godsend and I'm quite miffed that AMD decided to drop that segment like a hot potato for Zen 3. If Intel didn't step in, AM4 would've been sent to the graveyard with the 5600G being the most "affordable" SKU for that generation.....
Judging by their specs I don't think 4th gen Ryzen can outperform their 3rd gen counterparts, let alone their 12th gen Intel competitors. They only make sense if you can't find a used Ryzen 3 3100/3300X wherever you live.
that sku is trash 12100 even beat 5500 in gaming ...
Grabbed a 5600 for $129 to replace my 1600AF that I grabbed at $85 back in the day. Solid upgrade.
About to do the same, do you think it's still worth it today?
@@ryzencorp8182 yeah I think for a budget system is ok, specially if you don’t have to renew motherboard, 5700x has excellent price today it’s a good option
Here in Philippines I bought my brand-new 5600 for only $114 🥰
So you thing it is worth it upgrade to 5600 or 5600x, I have 1600AF and MSI rx6600 8gb, in games like Hogwarts legacy, CP 2077 will I see difference?
no dont upgrade from 5600 non x to x , save more and get 5800x3d if you want to see a tangible uplift
Do you plan to do any x370(b350) vs x570(b550) benchmarks with a 5k series CPU to see if there is a performance difference?
With my Skylake system I planned an in-socket upgrade but didn't do it as prices never fell until I could just get a X570 board with a 3600X (indeed, it was for sale and the price difference to the 3600 non-x was neglectible) for about the same money as a 7700K in 2019, paid maybe just a little bit more but got two more cores instead. This time I got to upgrade (in-socket) to a 5950X though. This CPU will serve me well for years to come. Let's see if it's living long enough to skip DDR5 completely.
Just purchased one for only £126 to upgrade my ancient ryzen 1600 pc that i built in 2017 its crazy that a cpu that was technically released in 2022 is supported by my motherboard from 2017 I know original zen3 was 2020 though hopefully am5 will last aswell but I guess it will depend on if ddr6 releases sooner then they will have to change socket again
With Intel and AMD so close together in the midrange now, I would be really interested in a price comparison of the platforms. Like are the mainboards also equally priced for the same feature set? Do AMD boards need more auxilliary controllers because their PCH isn't as decked out or are Intel's LGA sockets more expensive to put on boards and does that make a difference?
It's really not fair when if money is really an issue, you can get a used b450 board for a third of the price of an equivalent b660 board, or even a "new" b450 board for half the price. It's just the advantage of being on the same platform for half a decade.
in the future I expect second hand intel boards to cost a lot more due to LGA sockets being prone to breaking while AMDs PGA sockets will survive
@@williampaabreeves AMD is also moving to LGA for the next generation. You won't be able to drop a new CPU into a used board much longer, it'll be all used market parts. Now, a 5000 series Ryzen CPU isn't going to be slow any time soon, but that is worth noting as they have had AM4 around for so long.
@@DigitalJedi we wont start finding out how well stuff has lasted until 5-8 years after it came out. As you can still find shed loads of old Intel CPUs, but old motherboards are almost as expensive as low end new ones
At the midrange? They're razor thin everywhere, and AMD is doing this while also producing GPUs. Intel is a dinosaur badly in need of a comet.
It's nice to see prices on these come down to earth.
Hello GN, can we have a link for testing your GN logo on Blender for comparing with our CPU OC ? Thanx
The 5600 is now $130 on pcpartpicker. That's insane.
Insane in a good way? Or bad? (I’m looking at getting this cpu :) )
@@sam1lee good way
@@sam1lee Insanely good.
Wild value.
I bought a 5600 for 132€. I currently have a 3600 but I simply couldn't resist to that price.
IMO alderlakes biggest weakness is that their boards cost more likely due to having to add a pc-e 5.0 lane, as well as a beefier vrm requirement reletive to AMD. the cheapest board you can use without performance loss of some sort are like ~130 b660 boards, as most(if not all) boards under that have a measurable performance drop. AM4's budget motherboards on the other hand are much more plentiful and affordable.
100% agree, I like that Steve metioned that too in this video. And another complication with the LGA1700 boards would be, if there is anything more specific in needs, like a ITX board or even a ITX board with DDR4 from a specific vendor of which you prefer the bios ;D
I tried configuring a Intel ITX build with my stepdad, but he dislikes Gigabyte and ASUS so I had to choose a MSI board... there is no such thing as a ITX DDR4 MSI Board on that platform :D so we went with the 5800X instead.
Especially used B450 boards - I picked up a B450 Tomahawk Max for 40€ the other day.
You do know that the PCIE 5.0 is on the CPU? Plus, the VRM is more or less the same as 11th gen motherboard.
And some of them don’t even work properly
@@freemanzweidreifunf8025 Why blame Intel? Blame the board vendor for not having DDR4 ITX board.
Even so, it's fine to get DDR5, in the long run, it's still going to work in future platform, not the other way around, even though it base clock meets JEDEC spec.
I find it difficult to find Skylake compatible memory, all are rated 2.4GHz, or is 2.133 GHz as based, but once XMP turned on, it boot loops, and there's no update because it's out of support.
Well useful for some ideas of final cpu family to stick in my b550 with 4x8 microns in a year or so. 3800xt i got used under £200 when 5000 launched is sweet for now
That XFX burn was subtle and possibly not deserved. My brother got into the world of gaming with XFX which I believe used to be known as PINE before that. He had a Radeon HD5670 DDR3 2GB that was horrible but allowed him to play some games as a kid. They made some interesting items back in the Pentium and Pentium II days. I had seen a 1Ghz Celeron FC-PGA 370 to Slot 1 overdrive chip from PINE.
The R5 5600 is currently on sale for $149 USD in my area, vs $199 for the x-sku. *Definitely* gonna jump on that today, so I can finally upgrade from my R5 2600 for less than I originally paid for it! This CPU may have come way later than it should have, but for me it'll be a worthwhile, in-socket upgrade. I can't wait. Even with my RX 580 (still haven't been able to upgrade my GPU), frame time consistency will be so much better.
how is it?
@@celzolsen8988 the 5600? Impressive as hell. All of the R5s that aren't the "x-sku" have always been the best value imo. Holds up really well with my 3060ti now. I can play cp2077 at 1440p and it's beautiful. DLSS helps out too, though not really worth it with 1080p. All in all it's crazy to think of how far AMD has come, to where you can get a $150 (or even less currently) 6c/12t CPU with the single and multi-threaded capabilities it has. You gotta think, 5 years ago the R5 1600 wasn't even close to Intel in terms of IPC or clock speed, now it trades blows with the 12400 (Intel's best "budget" 6-core pre-Raptor Lake)
As a 3600 owner I was so excited for a comparison between 3600 and 5600 it is in the chart so I appreciate it
Ane die u upgrade
What i would have loved to see. Is what would happen if you would have set the power limits in precisionboost to 75 watts instead of 65. And see if that alone offsets the difference. And how much hotter it would run.
TBH i am glad to have upgraded i have owned and still own a I7 3770 and it worked fine as a normal computing desktop! though i desire more performance not for Fps sake but for smoothness i upgraded to a 5600 and until now i am extremely happy though unsure if i should have instead taken a 5700x or 5800x for its 8 cores, since i keep getting advice telling me to have a 8 core 16 t like a ps5 or xbox in 2022. Did i make the right choice? Ido not know, but I know that i can upgrade second hand up to a 16 core (5950X) CPU if one is on the second hand market please give me your thoughts i use multipal applications and i am thinking of using VR any guidance for a vr headsets for people wearing glasses?
As amusing as watching AMD stomp all over intel, I'm really happy to see intel fighting back. Competition is GREAT for the consumer.
i think they could have had at least a few more years though so they can acquire more funding
Competition doesn’t do anything btw. There’s a reason why both of these companies stick to the same product for 4-5 years at a time and only change when it’s most convenient and cheap to do so.
nahh this is business move hahaha amd becomes intel
In my region, AMD board are cheaper by a good margin. This make a huge difference when building low cost rig. Also, the included cooler with AMD CPU is a big advantage, it look good and perform well overall. I was choosing parts for a gaming computer the other days and it was a nightmare to find a cheap cooler for a 12600k, since the new socket require new mounting hardware.
Yep, I'm building my brother in law PC last January, and decided to go with Core i5 12400. The board price itself (it's lower end H610 board) is very expensive, but we choose it because it's more future proof. But I'm glad my own R5 2600 + B450 system still can be upgraded for the last time...
MY MONSTER PC IS RYZEN 7 1700 RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 MP 600 2TB WRITE: 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS/ I gor RX 6700XT on November for 950 euros after the GTX 970 i had utilt then burned. Since then i suge huge perfomance ugrade nad mcuh better graphics
I run evrything at max setings 1440p 60 fps and ray tracing makes the graphics much better! You must se my videos too iplay all action games.
@@bpcgos MY MONSTER PC IS RYZEN 7 1700 RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 MP 600 2TB WRITE: 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS/ I gor RX 6700XT on November for 950 euros after the GTX 970 i had utilt then burned. Since then i suge huge perfomance ugrade nad mcuh better graphics
I run evrything at max setings 1440p 60 fps and ray tracing makes the graphics much better! You must se my videos too iplay all action games.
The only reason I went AMD was the $50-$100 mobo price difference. I’m in Australia.
Pretty much the same for me. I simply wasnt able to find an Intel board that is as good and cheap as the AMD board im currently running.
I really appreciate the set you have. It's very professional looking
These last few minutes of the video is I believe the main factor that differentiates the 560p and the 12400(f). That in socket upgrade that offers can make a big impact on the decision. It is a significant upgrade from more or less any 2000 series CPU and the R3's of the 3000 series.
In case you are building from scratch it more or less a matter of tossing a coin if prices of the entire platforms are similar. Otherwise probably the AM4 Motherboard cost could be meaningfully less as there are good/decent B450 motherboards that cost around 70-80 $/€ or the equivalent pricing depending on the currency.
AMD AM4 chipset will go down as one of the finest, best value for money desktop chipsets ever.
AMD really did the PC community a solid considering the chipset pineapple d!cking we've been receiving at the hands of Intel.
Hopefully they can continue the positive trend with AM5
If time permits, how does the 5600 overclock? Does it bring it up to the stock 5600X? Nice to see competition working again, and perhaps, some of the shortages going away.
Given how late it came out, I think it will overclock well since yields are high.
@@shanez1215 agree, just like the 3600x vs 3600
You can have Ryzen 5600 (boxed) for 110~$ and a good AsRock B550 Pro 4 is about 90~$ if one wants to make a relatively budget friendly upgrade. Thank you for your work sir!
7 months later, i built this for my brother, only difference is now with cheap good b650 and 7500f, Zen4 gets a budget option.
The build difference is at about 50 bucks all in all.
Where do u see them boxed for 110? Ebay? They’re 130 rn on pcpartpicker. Trynna put together a decent $600 build rn.
Thanks for the great video as always!!!
I bought a 5600x during black friday sales, and have it paired to a wraith prism 95w cooler, and have undervolted it using PBO to negative 15 on the curve optimiser.
Runs cool, and goes hard!
And these tests, prove that overclocking it would be pointless, as the frequency it has over the Non X makea basically no difference anyway
Part of me wonders what the landscape of CPU engineering could look like if Nvidia started designing CPUs. A three-way competition is already on the horizon in the sphere of graphics cards, so hey, what if... 👀
Then again, that's probably what they were thinking with their attempts to buy ARM, and we all know how that went. That gets me wondering if maybe we'll see some interesting desktop-grade innovations from ARM...
I'm glaring at the 5600X for a while now to reach the 200€ mark, but heres hope that the 5600 non-X will start already below that. As I already have a built out B550 board with 32gig ram, but only a lowly R5 1600, this will be a nice boost.
On a second note, since prices for gpus are finally dropping, would you mind give a comparison on available mid-range gpus? Its hard to tell which one is good and which not by pricetag alone. Bought some coasters aswell, cheers!
Mindfactory sold 5600X for 199€ about a month ago
I know you did not ask me but, I'm aiming to get Rx 6600 XT when it hits msrp or below to pair with my 5600X, it is enough for gaming at 1080p with 75 or 90 fps. It also provides access to Amd FSR for games that are poorly optimized and it is a great GPU to undervolt and overclock for better performance, lower power consumption and thus lower heat generation. (It is easy to do that with Adrenaline, the AMD overclock software). Depends what you aim for in your computer, I want great performance for low power consumption and AMD delivers. The best one is the Asus RoG strix version dual fan but I'm keeping my eye on the MSI version to pair it with my motherboard (plus I had only good experiences with MSI).
PS: Anything above 6600 XT has diminishing returns and you should get only if you want 4k gaming or you're loaded and can spend money on this. Also, if power consumption is not a problem and you don't want to get a GPU now, wait to see what's up with the 7000 series later this year.
I know this was unsolicited advice but I have already written the comment so I'm posting. Cheers! ^_^
@@drygon9324 I recently had a very painful experience with MSI. Building a 10400 for the wife, with the cheapest stuff I could find at my local store. The motherboard had the WORST manual I have come across, the pin labels were nowhere near where they marked them on the manual. Being fairly novice at PC building (not my first time by any means) I followed the instructions. That led to what seemed to be a DOA board. I got onto MSI live chat, and explained that there were no lights on the board when powered up. The tech immediately said "sounds like a dead board" and suggested I return it. I took it to the store 45 minutes away, with everything else I had bought earlier that morning, and had the helpful fellow behind the counter test everything, and it was all in working order. Come to find out, in a most embarrassing way, that I had the front panel connected in the wrong spot, and there are no lights on that board whatsoever when powered up unless there is a problem, which would apparently light the little troubleshooting LEDs. Really great customer service on MSI's part...
@@--_DJ_-- That does not sound very helpful from their part. Can't comment on their customer support as I haven't yet experienced it. But yeah, sounds like they should work more on their PR if they want to attract new customers at a faster rate.
Usually I just look on their website (this stands for all companies that sell tech) as there I can find well organized info. Guess they are not into paper anymore lol.
Still, it is not set in stone for me, Ideally, I'd like the Asus Rog version. It will depend on what I find when I'll search to buy.
@@drygon9324 They didn't even bother to give a paper manual for the board, it was only online.
I don't really care what brand of PC parts I buy for the most part, for what I do the cheap stuff has always worked well for me. I won't be buying any more MSI stuff though, that left a bad taste in my mouth. It didn't help that when I called into the store and asked if they could test the stuff the guy told me if you buy an MSI board, get the extended warranty.
It turned out fine in the end, stuffed it all back into the ancient E-machines case and she isn't bugging me about the slow computer any more. I tried to explain that 50 google chrome tabs and the filled to the brim storage were the main problems, but that wasn't a fight worth fighting for $600 (cdn) The A10 6800 was pretty long in the tooth anyway. It served me well when I was using it, and she got a good few years out of it too once I moved onto a slightly better system with an actual GPU. If it wasn't for the new gen of CPUs on the horizon I would have handed down my I5-4590, but I am not ready to part with it just yet.
What cpu would you pair with a 3060Ti? Would the gpu be the weaker link with the i3 12100F at 1080p, would I see more fps with the R5 5600. Looking to play older games at high fps and some indies.
Well this is excellent news. I'm still saving up for my new computer (and will be for a *while*), but I had the 5600X on the docket as my CPU of choice. The retailer I'm looking at for price estimates has the 5600X down for $400 CAD (which is to say, still at the original MSRP plus the currency difference and what might be called the Canada tax (It's not a tax, sales tax goes on after you start the purchase process, but it's the cost of shipping it up to Canada and dealing with our lower customer density (population density). (They do run sales occasionally that drop that down to $290 or so, which is more in keeping with the price you're saying is to be expected in the US, but for budgeting purposes, I'm not taking sale prices.)
Their cost for the 5600 not-X is $259 CAD. So that X would cost me $140 CAD. Definitely not worth it.
As a 2600 owner thinking of upgrading, I wish these charts had the 2600.
Or the 2600X.
Or the 1600AF.
...
But yeah another great video Steve, 2 Patricks, and Others. I'll go back and check your 5600X review.
I’m sporting 1600AF still runs everything great. Almost no value to me upgrading for what I use it for - light gaming/office work
"Look at this CPU that you could upgrade to!"
"...But we won't show you if it's worth upgrading to"
My policy is to buy 1 generation before the last, especially when it comes out and people start selling the previous generation, thanks to that I usually keep my equipment updated without paying the price of the latest model
Yeah, after the lenovo shit tho it's not really advisable anymore tho
@@Anankin12 what lenovo shit?
@@schveitzerpeter5554 the processor lock thing that kills a processor when put into a locked mobo
@@Anankin12 who even buys prebuilt motherboards?
@@knmrd7639 i'm talking about the killed processors this will put in the market
Could you test Civilization 6 also for future benchs? Better turn times could literally save time with better processors as in contrast with better fps which mostly goes unnoticed if it's good enough.
Was waiting for this one. Checked yours and HU channels yesterday, but i guess Amd didnt sent any review samples this time 😬🙄
I just bought a 5600 non x non g off newegg for $129.99. Actually shocked it dropped that low already
I did the same and added 2 extra ram sticks to get some extra performance from dual rank.
just did the same for 119! hopefully it holds up.
@@tihollis im really happy with the performance so far. Im never going to be running a top tier gpu so this should be good for gaming at least for the next 3 years
@@evers6214 what GPU and MOBO you get? Got a 6700XT for 350 yesterday. I also got the MSI B550-PRO
@@tihollis im still using my old asrock b350 pro4 with some bios updates. I swapped out from a R5-1600.
Bought an Rx6600 a few months ago for $289.
I bought a brand new 5600x about a week after launch, local from Facebook. Came with a brand new case, a TUF gt501. 300 bucks for both. Still using today. Glad more will get to experience what this cpu can do for cheaper now
Pretty good deal!
@@GamersNexus yea it was! I wanted a mesh front case, but the TUF case really is nice quality, and so roomy. Went from a 1600af to the 5600x
Sweet anecdote.
@@armando1is1great i got asus tuf gaming gt 301 😆 will order ryzen 5 5600x soon already got rx 6600 xt to pair it with
@@topisalonen8813 hows the case so far ?
I decided to go with the i5 11400 along with a relatively inexpensive b560 motherboard (they are far cheaper than b660 motherboards and are actually in stock from most retailers, especially when it comes to itx boards). The performance uplift you would be getting from a 12400 vs an 11400 isn't really enough for me in order to justify the additional costs associated with going with the newer platform in comparison to this one (especially since the 11400 can actually keep up with a 12400 in most instances). Of course, as far as enthusiast components are concerned, intel's latest platform curbstomps anything from its higher end rocketlake offerings; however, when it comes to the mid range market atm I feel as though it is fine to save money where you can and instead go with an 11th gen intel system with an i5 11400.
This is the only channel that I *want* to watch the ads... because they're relevant and informative.
I'm excited with the new CPU launches and price drops to finally upgrade from my 4690k
Antique ,,, not sure if it is yet a collectors item like the FIRST Apple Mac
Lol, upgraded from the same Cpu two weeks ago.
Got a good combo deal on a 5600x + mITX mobo and ram.
You're in for a big jump, enjoy
@@tilapiadave3234 4690k is now considered antique? I would love to see some pretty money for my Core 2 Duo
@@GamerBoy705_ytworthless like the 4690k
im in this exact situation.. decision between the 2 5600g or 12400... and its basically, like you said, coming down to motherboard options. and future upgradability. and for the budget options i think since the am4 has been out for a while, there are just a lot more options for cheap mobos that get the job done.
but like i said its a bounce back and fourth between that and basically whats "more new" lol
thanks for the video :D
If you really want integrated GPU then better wait for 6000 series or 7000 series APUs as they will have RDNA2 graphics with 2.25x the performance of current vega GPUs with ray-tracing as well. Otherwise why would you buy 5600g ?
I actually built a PC for my uncle with a 5600g on the b550 Aorus Elite V2 and I can't stress enough how amazing that board is, the VRMs and the cooling are brilliant, it feeds the 5600g so precisely that it pulls only 10w when watching 4k video and temps are great, but temperature can spike up and down very quickly, so I chose the Enermax ETS-T50 AXE Silent Edition, because it absorbs them well and does a great job for the money like the rest of the parts (and don't neglect the paste, it plays a big role, for example Arctic MX5)
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat because as you've said, waiting really isn't an option.. when you factor in release hype and availability I don't think I'll have one for still a while. When I need this system within a month :)
Hoping these new releases bring down component prices. Just finished "upgrading" my system to a white build, with new B550 MB, nvme, Ram, AIO, Case, PSU and wrapped the GPU. The CPU is a R5 3600 and the GPU a 6600 XT. My question is what to do with the old parts: a B450, 32GB ram, etc? The only thing missing to complete a second system is CPU and GPU. Should I upgrade my 3600 to a 5000 series (like a 5700X), and then get a cheap GPU like a 1650 for the old system? Should I keep the 3600 and try and find an elusive APU like a 3300G that would work with the B450? Maybe if MSI would support 5000 series APU in B450, that would help.
I initially want to buy 5000 series CPU, but since it was so expensive, I ended up buying 3600. The good thing is that from Zen2 to Zen3 there is a big performance uplift, so I'm planning to upgrade my CPU in the future. But currently, I'm comfortable with 3600 and not in a rush to buy 5600 since my current GPU is probably the limiting factor (RX580). When I buy a new GPU, likely around 3060 or 6600 tier GPU, then I will probably upgrade my CPU (in-socket upgrade). Definitely not planning to go to 7000 series CPU or Alder Lake since I don't want to buy DDR5 nor do I think these new PCI5 DDR5 mainboard is mature enough. With a lot of changes currently happening and also in the horizon (new PSU standard, DDR5, PCI5, USB4), I don't think it is wise for me who is constrained in terms of budget to immediately jump on these new stuff. Not only I need to buy potentially a lot of new stuff, but also those new stuff might get old pretty quickly. When the platform matures, then I will consider moving to AM5 or Intel future offering.
I'm hoping by the time I buy the new GPU (hopefully it will be next gen AMD or Nvidia), R7 CPU price can come down more, so it will be a more substantial upgrade going from R5 3600 to R7 5700 or 5800. And yes, I already have good enough cooler to handle 5800 series so that part shouldn't be a problem.
Thanks for the comparison! Have a good mid-tier X370 Motherboard - I was thinking a lot if I should go for Intel instead which would have generated a much higher cost. Seeing the power consumption and the real life performance difference (not to mention the performance / value) between the R5 5600 and the Intel versions - I'm super happy with this upgrade :) Used to have a R5 1600x so it's a "big" jump on my casual scale - Thanks Steve!
It is so good when two companies have amazing products and are trying to 1-up each other constantly. Hopefully the same will happen with the GPU market when Intel joins and the shortage ends.
Thanks. I like the market at the moment. Looks likenit is stabilizing finally
really all depends on your work load and how much time you wanna tinker with your settings. I've had 1700X but wanted to upgrade and could only get a 5600X due to what I could get my hands on. I was disappointed at first but figured it's not a big deal since AMD new AM5 would be within a year or so and this cpu could hold me off. After a few changes in ryzen master and some in the bios my 5600X when playing games bouncing between 4600 and 4800 depending on the load. once a stress test is put on it pretty much is stuck at 4600 which is the max boost so it makes sense. Adjusting the precision over boost an extra 200mhz in ryzen master will allow the cpu to try and turbo up to 4800 if your have the power and cooling. So playing games at 4.6-4.8ghz and being able to get the most bang for the buck leaves me content.
Just got myself to microcenter and bought a 5600 for $129. Upgrading from a 1600 ae. So from 1st generation Ryzen.
I won't lie, the tech messed up and printed me outfor a 5600x and as I was walking to the checkout I was like hold on a second. I never forgot this very video, knew there was no reason to get the X for $30 more. Thanks Gamers Nexus. I probably would have let it slide if I never watched this.
Would have been more excited if the 5600 and 5700X launched within the first 6 month of the Zen 3 release.
i5-12500 shows 6P/0E/6T rather than 12T at 17:50 test. Just letting you guys know :)
I'd like to see benchmarks for a heavy modded Fallout 4. The Bethesda engine runs a lot of scripts which makes the game cpu-bound. It would be really interesting to see how cpus with different tech specs perform. Bethesda will be releasing Starfield later this year with the next version of the engine so knowing how cpus react could be very useful to people buying systems to play modded Bethesda games.