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Self Looped Bedini Motor
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2023
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In this video, I demonstrate a method for sending the back EMF of a bedini style fan motor without using a full-blown inverter and separate power supply for DC isolation. Instead, we built our own isolation transformer with a one-to-one ratio and ten turns on each side. After rectifying the isolated side, we send the resulting charge back into the capacitors which powers the pulse for the Bedini switching. As shown in the video, after about 15 minutes, the capacitor's charge remains stable instead of decreasing, demonstrating the effectiveness of our setup. We also show the back EMF spike on the oscilloscope, with reversed poles for better viewing. By eliminating all batteries in the system, we address accusations of exploiting the VI curve of lead-acid batteries. Our LC circuitry recycles its own power and interacts with magnetic fields at every event in the pulse, resulting in increased amplified amplitudes due to the coils of the Bedini motor "energizer" during the inductive kickback time.
I'm not saying this simple setup will run "for ever" but instead perhaps for hours without eventual drop of perhaps 0.01mv along the way. I want to simply draw attention on efficiency of such a system and why in such a configuration we could include an additional system of energy such as electrostatic disks dumping into a pulse cap. Sending/introducing an additional energy input to our system for "free" It don't cost us any more "loading" current to drive a electrostatic plate instead of a fan blade. Because of how the mechanical spin of such device is not really a motor in a traditional sense.
It's also worth noting that the usage of super capacitors instead of using normal batteries, helps us reduce the internal resistance of our storage device. Bedini knew this was a key to his system's efficiently so he used big commercial high voltage backup batteries, Industrial grade, instead. We can mimic similar circuit characteristics, by replacing the battery setup with capacitors. Much lower resistance to work with! And no messy lead acid "anomalies".
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DUDE PAUSED AT 4;23 BROTHER YOU ARE DEMONSTRATING PERPETUAL MOTION!!!! I KNEW YOU ARE LIKE THE GREAT MASTERS..... WE ARE HONOURED TO LEARN AS MUCH ABOUT THIS ART!!!
👍Good. Isolation is key. You aren't running a closed system, therefore law of conservation of energy does not apply.
Brilliant Joe! Excellent work. Very impressed. As others have mentioned, a schematic would be good.
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What an excellent video
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for posting, I didn't have much luck replicating your experience with car battery. My next step would be testing it with capacitor like you did in this experiment
Nice Joel. As you know, open loop is the key. You show it brilliantly!
I think, this is still closed loop. As far as I understand Rick Friedrich correctly, open loop starts with a second battery in the system. Aa long as we feed back we have a closed loop situation. But interesting enough....
It’s a matter of reference. As with most things in this field of work, the terminology can have multiple meanings. This reference is one of flow, not control. The more common reference for electronics is control or communication. Power flow, when referenced by looping is one of flow dynamics. Similar to hydraulic flows.
@@Tachyoncatcher Ok, thanks. I will keep that in mind.
Joel nice work! Makes me want to revisit my old Bedini and throw several more coils, and circuits at it( I think it might take as many as 12)
The isolation transformer is super intetesting. Real food for thought
Nicely done! Thank you. I like simplified set-ups!
Yes but its still "incomplete" I demonstrate a simple less energy consuming method for isolation. The system will still need another energy input source such as electrostatic cap dump stage to make up for the eventual slow damping and other minor circuit loss.
Hi. Very nice system.
Thanks for sharing!
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Yep the caps are a great way to show contuation like john said this works indefnitly
Excellent well done!
This is amazing thank you for all your work could you post a schematic of your setup so i can replicate this on my benchtop
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By using the choke coil you kinda isolate the back emf spike from hitting your NPN by bypassing the capacitors, without the chocke the spike would cross over the capacitor plates over to your NPN and blow it out (FIRE!!!)
Amazing video. Thanks for sharing. From what I see, you are directly feeding the kick back to your 1:1 isolation transformer and then feeding that back to the run capacitor. The only doubt in my mind is whether the drive transistors would get damaged from any spikes, if at all, that are not fully suppressed by the isolation transformer. I ask this because right now, I'm running a pulse motor with about 60 volt input, off a boost converter that is running off a 12 volt, lead acid battery. I do have an 83 farad capacitor at my disposal however, to substitute the battery but will the 60 volt input to the coil create substantially high kick back voltages, that could damage by transistors, in the absense of the traditional capacitor. Thank you.
I noticed you changed the setting on the voltmeter to a higher resolution. Yes it's pretty stable but it does drop, doesn't it? You can drop from 9.39 volts to 9.34 volts and will take 20 minutes or more when it's self-looped, but it will keep dropping. I suggest you focus you camera shot on the voltmeter and start filming with the highest resolution on your voltmeter. It's still very good and efficient but I know first-hand self-looped bedini's are very efficient but they still lose energy unless you bring some in. I've got a working prototype(s) that pulls power from an ac/dc generator and run back to the circuit. I call it the Electric Glider.
I ran it for over a week with continuous rise in voltage.
Good video! Can you let it run and do an update video in a few days just to see how it does? Thanks
Back emf into the Run battery well done. I thought of a circuit that channels it using two inductors and two batteries bounce back and fourth between the two batteries (see on my channel for circuit)
The diode being used to pulse out the caps is seemingly a large one. Would a smaller diode (perhaps schottky) yield an improvement? Good stuff though.
Hi Joel, can you show us in detail how you wired all this together. Thanks
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🤔can i know what capacitor values are you using in your demo?
What material did you use to make the core? Thanks Joel
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Let me guess, your feeding the output of the circuit back through a ferrite core to the capacitors with the input and output of the ferrite core wound with about 20 turns of 18-24 awg magnet wire, it's an absolutely ingenious idea.
yeah you got the turns ratio more or less on the button, Wasn't trying to keep it a secret. I figured the idea was basic enough and self explanatory when I say an isolation transformer of few turns. It's not rocket science :)
@@joellagace1679 I knew you weren't keeping it a secret, and I very well understood what you were saying in the video, you did a great job of explaining it, I'm going to use the idea to feed the back EMF from 2- 2.7 volt 500 F super caps that inverts about 6 vdc coil to 120 vac using a transistor and microwave transformer primary. Thanks for the video and idea.
Can you replace the diode with light emitting diode so that you have both light and fan running all the time?
Super 👍😃
Could you connect a generator to the fan motor and charge a battery bank while you sleep ? I heard that you can use a long set of wires and finde the node points and extract more energy at each node .he showed that on one of his videos.many nodes many extractions .
i guess at lower voltage you can do it without blowing the NPN , my circuit isolates the back emf into the battery alone , just like the Bedini
Bro pls tell me
1. How much time ur oscilator take to fully charge a battery .
2. After full charging howmuch (%) power left on ur source battery .
Pls bro u r my ladt hope for answer ❤
Any updates on that? How long did it run? Thanks!
So... How much useful laod can you hook up to this system before it Dampens out🤔
interesting, do you have a circuit schematic?
Hi is that an Imhotep bedini fan??!! You started it with a battery I assume. Thks.
I second the request for a circuit diagram. Lets get some reproductions going!
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Are those supercaps discharging just very slowly.. or is there indeed extra energy coming in through the Bloch wall as Bedini said?
A very small capacitor value should be used and the consumption of the fan stated clearly in mwhr..
Would be good to see some small (quality) shunt ammeters used.
Otherwise this is genius and something quite incredible ..
Can this exact design be scaled up?
If so why are we powering loads any other way?
Thanks for the upload Joel
Because the power that comes back is still not enough to run anything large scale, Yes you can indeed scale it up! Take a look at Bedini's big wheel for example, It was "said" to output around 300 watts, But the thing was huge vs the output you can get! while only needing a few amps of trigger,
Here this small Bedini motor operates on milliamps, as low as 25ma trigger, So we don't need much output/input to keep it going for a while, My point here is efficiency with such system its possible to include an electrostatic disk for an extra energy input for gains. There are no optimizations here, I do mention it will eventually drain, It's just with this recycling method its very slow, We don't use funny lead acid batteries.
@@joellagace1679 I'm aware that Bedini himself scaled it up with the large monopole motor at the exhibition he did in the EFTV series. Just would be good to see this driver method applied to an e bike, or washing machine etc with the same energy savings, JB said the mechanical work is what's free, only most of the monopole designs lack torque. I think Gerard Morin is/was an undervalued contributor in having explained how the geometry of a DC PM outrunner motor allows for far more torque and speed to be produced than with an ordinary 3p inrunner or brushed "affair" his idea being drive it with a special resonant driver and couple it with a highly efficient gen.
I wonder how all this ties together and how best to construct a compact limitless power source for transport and every other need..
I wonder if the reasons for our not seeing this already are benign and the tech is the problem. Or if there are more sinister forces at work .. If so then any number of "blackshelved" designs might work if effectively replicated ..
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Fascinating! I have the exact same bedini fan-motor ?as yours. The isolation transformer is made with 10 turns of L1 and L2 in the same direction with L1 coil connected to the DC output of motor and L2 coil feeding back the capacitor bank with a diode on the positive side? I will definately try your setup with my device :) Great work!
How was your try?
Great Joel, could you provide a schematic ? Well done! Greetings Sebastian
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My example here was just to push the idea of using isolation instead of doing it with an inverter you can do it with a isolation transformer that you can build yourself as far as this specific bidini motor here it just happened to be the one I had around to make the demonstration with as far as the inner workings I would not recommend this one here if you're looking at over unity because I've never been too successful with this model itself you see Mr. George here the way he built it it's a self triggered system so it's not 100% like a bidini motor the original one anyways so this kind of trigger uses more power so back to what I was saying you're better to build your own traditional bidini motors and follow the schematics as they are as bidini would say and when you try to modify the system you may get some good results such as this one here you get a nice pulse you're able to charge batteries with and then do other things but as far as getting over unity unless you modify the system I don't think you can get it but it's still a very efficient and nice system to experiment with I would be much more happy if George would make a traditional bedini motor that is triggered with the wheels and the N polarity magnets this would waste less energy and I would probably buy and already made the Bedini system like this as well just because I have a hard time with my shacking hands.
@@joellagace1679 If you make a new video with the motor in self-osclitation and connected to the isolation transformer converter with the right "capacitors" so that the isolation transformer is coordinated and you show the results, then I will reveal my secret!
I'm not talking about the super capacitors, we're talking about the capacitor you'll have to put in your secondary coil "isolation transformer" output with to diode or rectifier. I recommend ceramic capacitor test 1nf or 10nf or 100nf etc😎
@GEORGE CHANIOTAKIS There is no secret its just a self oscillating transistor circuit. There is capacitor "hidden" under But this is a good circuit but not the most efficient because you need to provide more trigger power in self oscillation mode. Needless to say its still a good unit. Just not a traditional Bedini motor. If you would build a traditional Bedini motor with multiple coils (His advanced later version.) This would be awesome! IMO I think self oscillations are not as "sharp" So some energy is wasted. I'm looking for sharp pulse with most little trigger input power needed. You can simulate a sharp back emf spike as a trigger I learned gating like 99% of the current yet get loads of increased amplitudes, enough even to make up for the losses. If that same spike "width" comes back at 20 times more amplitude, With capacitors we can convert that to real current. Take care!
How much turns on the inverter?
What capacitance do you use?
good question i need to know too!
What are the values of the caps?
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I dont understand why you start this motor
What kind of battery did you use?
he used capacitors only..input caps..output to a transformer whichs recharges the same caps
Joel can you please tell me what meterial you used for you transformer thanks
I don't know much about it, Was a random junk grab. Have you tried experimenting with other core materials?
@@joellagace1679 so far I have only tried a ferrite ring havent tried steel or iron I will try this later today would help if you can just tell me what you know if its ferrite or iron so I dont have to waste time trying to figure that out thanks
If I had to guess i'd say it's just a typical ferrite choke ring.
@@joellagace1679 thanks man I will try again and get back with you
Can you show your isolation transformer setup schematic. You've covered it up intentionally, I guess.
It's just tape holding the windings together. Its high frequency so only like 20 turns was needed. Might even get away with 10...
Joel, I ASSUME this is a standard Bedini circuit, but more people are likely to replicate if you show a specific circuit diagram with any changes you have made. Parts CAN matter. Including what size caps you are using, number of winds on the toroid and size of wire (and toroid). NONE of those things are in the original Bedini circuit, as you know. Changes DEFINITELY matter. Having built at least a hundred replications of devices shown on the internet, I know that little things CAN BE the difference between success and failure.
Yeah this is a very old one, I just made that isolation transformer on the spot, from memory 25-30 turns. Not even sure what kind of core. In the later videos as I learn I get more into the details. One of those "Fluke" moments. imo
Are you canadian
Yes he is Canadian
IThinkItWouldBeMoreEfficientWithBrushlessMotor-BrushlessGenerator-StepperOne,InParticular-GivesMoreVoltage.TheSystemShouldGiveExtraEnergy.