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Very good, you did your homework. Most enthusiasts today are getting bigger wheels because they think they look better and don't consider the phenomenon of unintended consequences. More rotating mass takes away horsepower and effects efficiency (MPG). Rule of thumb is if you increase by more than 2" diameter you need to upgrade brakes. You touched on wider wheels don't always translate into more traction. Larger footprint means less PSI on footprint because weight remained the same and footprint got larger. One thing you didn't mention is; diminished return in handling from smaller sidewall at some point. Street cars may not matter but if you do much track time you should consider that sidewall vis a vis spring rate cannot have much effect with very short sidewall. You can have more rate adjustment using tire pressure with more side wall. In NASCAR, 1 half psi = about 30-40lbs spring rate, INDY cars similar. On street car this translates often to harsh ride, not improved handling. Be safe out there.
The only problem with this theory is power means nothing without control. If the car in question get's modified from the factory or if it's from an era that didn't have driver aid's than upgrading the tyres is not always a bad thing. I upgraded from 17inch to 18inch & weight dropped due to using a forged wheel equipped with wheel nut's with no head's. Braking, acceleration, stability & handling improved all round. Carbon fiber rims have come a long way too.
If you want to give your car a good look and feel every pothole on the road then go for bigger wheels or if you want comfortable ride then go for smaller wheels.
If You aim for comfort or off-road driving bigger profile is good. I liked to drive my MR2 on 14" wheels trough forests, but 15" corner better on tarmac. 16" may be better for perfect world roads not even found on race tracks... If You tend to drive in bumpy area go for 14" wheels.
This was a good conversation starter. I think that for the MR2 community, as was stated by others, the tire selection is a big factor. If there was a ready supply of performance rubber in a 15” size I think a lot of people would still be using that size.
When I went wheel shopping to change from 17" wheels to 18" wheels, I wanted the 18's to be lighter than the 17's. Lots of people don't think like this, they just go out and pop out the money for what they think looks good. I know that lowering unsprung weight is always good for performance. I also want to point out that when I went to larger wheels, I did not go any larger than what the largest optional wheel is for the vehicle, from the factory as well as the tire size. One thing you didn't point out is that as long as the tire and wheels height from the asphalt to the top of the wheel is the same as the wheel your replacing, it should not affect speedo accuracy. The wheels I bought weighed 4 lbs each less than the smaller 17's although switching from a 225/55/17 to a 235/45/18 the tire weight went up by 1 lb. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is don't just go out and buy the wheels solely on appearance. Do your homework, look for a wheel that you like that weighs less than the wheel your going to replace. Make sure the offset it correct. These cars and trucks that have wheels sticking 10 inches outside the body just look stupid, and when you're through make sure the tire sits flat on the ground, I see a lot of cars that have so much negative camber it's just ridiculous, only half of the tire is actually touching the pavement. It's also unsafe. These negative camber tires will wear out in less than 25k miles.
Good info...most people don't know that your stock tire size is what it is for a specific engineering reason for proper performance of your specific car! But you can upgrade to bigger considering doing other important steps for safety and comfort...also a better look. Very well explained.
In 20 years of driving including a lot of gravel roads I never had a puncture. As soon as I had 18" wheels I had 3 punctures in 4 years with different brands of tyres (no gravel roads). Lower profile tyres might look good but they are prone to punctures.
Contact patch issue is solved by going lower tire pressure when tracking the car ;) Preferably done with race tires because they have stiffer sidewalls. A big problem most do is going big cast Heavy Wheels and with wrong offset(too long distance from the wheelbearings). Then prematurely destroy the wheel bearings becaused the wheelbearings speced for their car underdimensioned for that load.
Excellent presentation!!! I’m a novice when it comes to aftermarket wheels and tires, but you have certainly answered and clarified some of my questions!!! I’m finding that most new cars today are leaning towards a bigger set of wheels, particularly in the higher trim levels!!! So you may not have a choice other than the bigger set of wheels! Since I place a high priority on comfort, I tend to prefer smaller wheels or “standard” profile tires. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!!! It’s much appreciated!!! ☮️🖖🏽
There is a widespread belief among both car and bicycle enthusiasts that an increase in rotating mass, ie wheels and tires, because of polar moment of inertia has a dramatically greater real world effect than a similar mass added to the frame, or driver. However, if you crunch the numbers, you will find that while the effect is certainly real, it is in fact tiny. Another fact to note is that the trend to ever larger wheel diameters and correspondingly lower profile tires to keep the tire circumference constant passed from technological progress to fashion quite some time ago. The result is compromised performance as well as wheels and tires that will succumb to the first pothole they encounter. The tire companies work miracles but they have to follow the market. A few years ago, a proper instrumented test was undertaken with wheels ranging from 15" up to maybe 19' or greater, I can't now recall. This was done with constant circumference adhered to and the best wheel was either the 15 or the 16 depending on your choice of criteria, with the larger sizes giving progressively worse roadholding. Since tires of any quality are now unavailable in these sizes, we all have to compromise. I know higher unsprung weight is not a trivial factor, especially since the suspension is tuned for the stock wheel's mass. At least we do have big rotors as an option.
Thanks foe the input. And yeah basically you have to look at your specific application, and consider all the real world factors like what tires actually exist on the market. Thanks for watching!
On Australian Top Gear a few years back they ran a local HSV Commodore Clubsport (a "sporty" V8 sedan from the Holden manufacturers tuning branch). They did two track tests, one with the wheel/tyre combo that the car came with standard and then one with the additional upgrade pack offered by HSV (bigger wheels/lower profile tyres). The 'upgrade' of bigger wheels/lower profile tyres delivered a slower lap time on the same car. This was a combo that was selected as a 'factory' upgrade, not just someone at a tyre shop selling you what he thought.
I'm 38 years old now, I've just bought another mr2 rev 4 after many years. when I was 21 way bk in 2001 I discovered the mr2 mk2, or boy was it a joy to own, I had another one after that and I had 17" wheels on them both, taking my original wheels off. yeah the looks are better but the mr2 performs way better with its original wheels for sure
I went from a 16inch wheel to 17s and it was a nightmare! You have to make sure you consider the full circumference of the original wheel and tire, I had to change a lot to get the correct settings and now I have to run 245/40-17 tires which are very expensive and hard to find! The car handles great though I wouldn't go back and the performance is unbelievable
Tactical ninja - do you mean you kept the same size tire wall across to the 17s? You can use online calculator to work out sizing. Like you say, total circumference is crucial.
This goes without saying... big wheels benefit cruising/long distance, ultimate grip and allow for larger brakes. Acceleration, braking, steering and general all round performance is generally increased when you drop a size. The biggest issues with large wheels is a great rotating mass. They are like massive flywheels that are hard to get started and take a lot of energy to change speed or stop. So ultimately, it depends on what you're doing. Long distance cruising (and whoring out for fashion), get big wheels. If you want performance, control and all round efficiency, drop a sized.
I like smart people like you, I started from 14rims, now I role on 22 and never notice any problems apart from lil more consumption of fuel. I don’t understand all these talks, I have drove 8 different cars in 16 years. Now, internet wants to keep me paranoid . Nice one
Your own experience tells you everything you need to know. It's always good to learn more, but there is a lot of misinformation out there, so beware. This video mostly gives good advice, so a positive. Have fun on your 22s, lol xD
I would have loved to have kept the factory wheels on my SW20, but as you noted, finding good tires that meet the performance and stagger specs is virtually impossible at this point. So now I have a staggered set of 17" SSR Integral A2s that I got from auction out of Japan. Speedo is not as off as I feared, but does read a tad slower than actual. I have TRD springs waiting to help close the gap when I can get to that project.
I understand wheels weigh differently despite the same size, Does anyone know if typical 13" steel rims is heavier than 15" alloy wheels ? Also why does wider tyres with larger contact patch doesn't necessary provide better traction on straight line ?
Hard to say bc is would depend on the wheel, but if it's forged it most likely would be lighter. There's a lot of different factors that could change grip, but the simplist explanation is that s wider wheel/tire doesn't give you as much of a contact latch as you would expect without adjusting suspension geometry
brakes do not matter if you can lock the tires. if your stock brakes can lock the tires, they can brake more than the maximum the tire can handle. upgrading your brakes will not affect stopping performance in any way. the only difference that new brakes would make is better cooling, which doesn't matter in non racing applications.
You didn't mention ride quality. Mine got way better when I switched back to stock from 17" Enkeis. The narrow sidewall may help handling, but I found it much rougher over less than perfect roads.
The sidewall of your tire is part of the suspension and this sidewall height is calculated along with the springs, so as the sidewall gets shorter the ride will get rougher.
Just to mention it.. just cuz u change brake sizes.. It dont give u better brakes.. Wider tires do!! Im full of bs? Try it. Put a stock wheel on ur upgraded wheel.. and put stock calipers on new wider wheel..
It is true that brake power is limited by tire grip, but increasing both absolutely will improve stopping performance. Additionally you will have less fade with larger brakes. Just improving brakes without more grip would be bad tho
@@SnowWhiteMR2 Unless u change ur hp on ur car its pointless.. the car brand it self have used heavy computer skills to calculate ur cars weight, hp to make sure ur brakes are more than good enough.. its been tested many times allready.. its just look cool but have little to non benefits.. just change the brake lines so ur braking dont fade. Its enough
My 1993 Ford Taurus GL came with OEM 14 inch 5 lug steel wheels when brand new with 205/70R14 up till recently the mechanic put on 2007 Ford Taurus SEL 16 inch 5 lug alloy rims with 215/60R16 tires after he couldn't find any replacement OEM rims for my car so he upgraded my suspension since the 25 year old front end suspension was shot. after 25 years of driving around. and i was going to Buy Newer alloy rims from another more modern Ford Sedan anyway before the mechanic told me it need it.. I enjoy the added ride height bigger tires have given my car its bettered the driving down the rough dirt road i live on filled with pot holes and it has made the ride of the car so smooth adding bigger tires than OEM ones
Yeah, but if the default offset in somewhere between +35 to +40 OEM. So if I change my wheel from OEM 16 Inch Rims 185/60 16x5.75 R16 to 215/45 17x7 R17 ET42 in my Mazda 2 Skyactive Diesel. would that change ever so slightly if i don’t play with the offset,height,rim width, and weight that much. Or would it be much worse for MPG. I’m trying to making my daily driver car in the a Volvo safety machine.
In the sixties, big cars like Impalas, Bonnevilles used a 8.00-14 or a 205-214. Today they would put 265-17 on it. They want the money for the extra big tires... it is a scam
freelanceriders another channel on here tested the bigger wheel debate on bmw 320i in the dry the bigger wider tyres were slightly faster all using the exact make and model of tyre. However in the wet the results were completely reversed and said the wider tyres didn’t handle properly in the wet.
Yes i remember seeing that one. It always a compromise isn't it. i guess it isn't so if you just live in a dry area with very little rain or reverse. None the less you are putting a good educated informative video out there for people to consider. Keep at it!
Larger wheels are heavier the air resistence is worse so less performance. Also if you put on a larger set of wheels your speedometer and odometer reading will be wrong. Your engine has to work harder to spin them.
Ok now on a full-size truck if you go with a bigger tire how’s it going to affect your rear axle gears if you have a 3:73 is the bigger tire going to make it a 4:10 just using a example????
I can't speak to your specific example, but yes if you go to a significantly taller tire on a truck it can change things a LOT. You can lose wheel torque and of course make your speedo worthless. If you lift and want a much bigger tire you need to change your gears too. Thanks for watching!
If you change rim sizes, your speedometer would be off a few m/h (km/h for you metric folk). I have a set of aftermarket rims on my Mazda, and they're only 1 inch larger in diameter than stock. The 1 inch makes my speedo tell me I'm going about 3-4 m/h faster than I really am. May have something to do with tire size as well, but to answer your question; yes. Most people I know don't care too much about their speedometer says as long as it is almost accurate lmao.
Yes your odometer will be off. However the difference is negligible in most cases. Your actual distance traveled may be an extra mile over what it reads every couple hundred miles.
One note that i experienced myself. Upgrading to a larger tire means also that your speedometer isn't correct or more correct then they did before. That costed me 2 speeding tickets in a week hahaha. Just 2 or 3 too fast but still money
Snow_White_MR2 yeah my mr2 became a bit too accurate hahaha. But yeah its my own fault, although the police here in the netherlands is quite strict on speeding. But that doesnt stop my to find some fun roads to drive on. (Posted one on my channel, will be honored if you checked it out 😊)
A new reply to an old video... I am thinking of getting some Regamasters for my SW20. What's the offset you're running and did you have any problems with rubbing or hitting the struts?
I'm looking for a set for my "new" 91 Mr2 I'm getting 16s but its a bit confusing in the et department, also for now I'm sticking with the original suspension, my question is that applying bigger brakes won't Compromise the abs readings? Mind you that I'm a total noob into rwd yet alone mid engine cars... I've been enjoying your videos thanks
Ok well for reference stock et is about +45 and my wheels are plus +30. 16" is great if you can get decent tires, and bigger wheels shouldn't change your ABS. That being said the ABS on the MR2 honestly isn't great anyway haha. Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoy my videos!
Good question! So despite the fact that most luxury cars have large wheels smaller wheels are actually better for comfort, and generally narrower tires will be quieter too. Thanks for watching!
I got my mazda 2 from 2009 with hubcaps atm. Not Sure what the wheelsize is but I thought 15 inch. I want to get rid off my hubcaps and change them into some nice rims. However my budget is not very high because I do not have a good job. Now I am thinking of getting some bigger wheels 16 or 17 inch aswell (not sure yet) including some rims, however not planning on changing the brakes etc. Could you recommend me some important stuff to keep in kind when looking for bigger wheels/ rims? If I decide to inderdaad make them a bit bigger
Mazda2 is a very small car so honestly 15s probably look pretty nice on it. 16 would look good, but tires are very limited. I think 17 is too much. Just stick to legit brands, and avoid stuff like XXR or Rota. If you don't have the budget for $800 or more you should probably just stick with what you got or keep saving. You also want to make sure everything clears. remember the measurements I talk about in the video. Every car is different so either take good measurements or try bolting them up before you buy. Good luck!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 thanks for the info. I myself was thinking of 16 inch. My parents know have very close friends who own a car buisness. They can probably help me out alot, just like always. And yeah 17 is to much for such a car
Well as I said there are trade offs, but 17 inch wheels have a huge advantage on the MR2 for 2 reasons. You can much better modern tire choices and you can bit bigger brakes.
Sorry.... you are showing the width of the wheel / tire at the 1min mark. The proper wheel width is a measurement taken on the inside of the wheel rim !!
Excellent.. Square sizes of tire... Square sizes of RIM.. BuT the only difference is..... The WIDTH of the RIM.. REAR IS GREATER THAN FRONT. What can you say... 235/55 on 18x 9.5 FRONT 235/55 on 18x10.5 REAR 57 XTREME, RAYS , GRAM LIGHT SPEC-D..
If I were to up size and also follow through with adjustment of suspension, brakes, etc; will I need a special performance tuner for it or any mechanic shop will do?
Well I wouldn't say any mechanic will do, but most places should work. Ideally you will go to a shop that is known for working on your specific kind of vehicle and commonly does aftermarket mods. Also keep in mind that some alignment shops will refuse to do any spec other than what the OEM manual says.
quick question regarding new tires on my 2015 Camry SE.. it came with stock 215/55r17 and I wanted to ask if replacing the tire with a 225/55r17 will be better? What tire will get me better MPG? What tire will give me the smoother ride? The size difference is small.. what's your opinion? Thank you Joe
The short answer is no, but there are so many factors that can change that. I discussed some of those in the video, but you might also want to check out part 2 on my channel. Basically it needs to be the right setup for the specific application. Thanks for watching!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 hey dude my wheels are poking out by 1 inch what other options do i have. i dont wanna change the camber settings or put any fender flares
Well I have no experience with that particular car, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. However, if you're looking for the best performance stretched is never good. On that wheel you're probably looking at something close to a 205/50/15. Thanks for watching!
I have zero experience with that car, but it sounds like a reasonable setup. You might just need to do a slight ride hight adjustment. Thanks for watching!
jeffery schlatter if you put a 40 on the rear the rear will be slightly higher then the front because the overall diameter of the whell will be bigger. Download an app called Tire expert and enter my sizes and you will see that they are virtualy the same, but yours are quite diffrrent. My offset is 35 front and rear
dont u want the rear a bit higher and the front lower. my offset is 35 in the front and 42 in the rear should i get a spacer for the rear to make them 35 too
jeffery schlatter Why would you want the rear higher? In my opininon the car should look level, and thats why I put my set up. If you like it like that than keep it like that. You dont need spacers if you dont have rubbing issues. I've put 35 offset all around because it puts the outer side flush with the fenders and gives a nice look.
I want to put lager wheels on my mr2 so the height on my car won’t be low. I was wondering if you could help me with that . I can also send you pictures of my mr2
Cool video😎check out my videos👍I'm looking into 15x7 wheel now. Just gotta make sure it fits over my brake assembly which is a lil bigger than factory. 00' buick regal 400whp
Very good, you did your homework. Most enthusiasts today are getting bigger wheels because they think they look better and don't consider the phenomenon of unintended consequences. More rotating mass takes away horsepower and effects efficiency (MPG). Rule of thumb is if you increase by more than 2" diameter you need to upgrade brakes. You touched on wider wheels don't always translate into more traction. Larger footprint means less PSI on footprint because weight remained the same and footprint got larger.
One thing you didn't mention is; diminished return in handling from smaller sidewall at some point. Street cars may not matter but if you do much track time you should consider that sidewall vis a vis spring rate cannot have much effect with very short sidewall. You can have more rate adjustment using tire pressure with more side wall. In NASCAR, 1 half psi = about 30-40lbs spring rate, INDY cars similar. On street car this translates often to harsh ride, not improved handling.
Be safe out there.
Glad you enjoyed, and really good info on the sidewall and spring rate/tire pressure. Thanks for watching!!
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@@donaldturnbull378 Wut?
The only problem with this theory is power means nothing without control.
If the car in question get's modified from the factory or if it's from an era that didn't have driver aid's than upgrading the tyres is not always a bad thing.
I upgraded from 17inch to 18inch & weight dropped due to using a forged wheel equipped with wheel nut's with no head's.
Braking, acceleration, stability & handling improved all round.
Carbon fiber rims have come a long way too.
If you want to give your car a good look and feel every pothole on the road then go for bigger wheels or if you want comfortable ride then go for smaller wheels.
Bigger wheels are crap, smaller rims and bigger rubber for a more comfortable ride for real world driving over duff roads
If You aim for comfort or off-road driving bigger profile is good.
I liked to drive my MR2 on 14" wheels trough forests, but 15" corner better on tarmac.
16" may be better for perfect world roads not even found on race tracks...
If You tend to drive in bumpy area go for 14" wheels.
This was a good conversation starter. I think that for the MR2 community, as was stated by others, the tire selection is a big factor. If there was a ready supply of performance rubber in a 15” size I think a lot of people would still be using that size.
boofighter Yeah the stock wheel size is a problem for the MR2 in particular. I never had a matching set of tires before I got the Regas.
Snow_White_MR2
I am finding it a problem with the 16” wheels I got this summer.
I originally wanted 16" but in the end decided it was too obscure.
When I went wheel shopping to change from 17" wheels to 18" wheels, I wanted the 18's to be lighter than the 17's. Lots of people don't think like this, they just go out and pop out the money for what they think looks good. I know that lowering unsprung weight is always good for performance. I also want to point out that when I went to larger wheels, I did not go any larger than what the largest optional wheel is for the vehicle, from the factory as well as the tire size. One thing you didn't point out is that as long as the tire and wheels height from the asphalt to the top of the wheel is the same as the wheel your replacing, it should not affect speedo accuracy. The wheels I bought weighed 4 lbs each less than the smaller 17's although switching from a 225/55/17 to a 235/45/18 the tire weight went up by 1 lb. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is don't just go out and buy the wheels solely on appearance. Do your homework, look for a wheel that you like that weighs less than the wheel your going to replace. Make sure the offset it correct. These cars and trucks that have wheels sticking 10 inches outside the body just look stupid, and when you're through make sure the tire sits flat on the ground, I see a lot of cars that have so much negative camber it's just ridiculous, only half of the tire is actually touching the pavement. It's also unsafe. These negative camber tires will wear out in less than 25k miles.
this thing hailed in my mind since 3 years and i wasnt getting any reasonable answer for the same...thanks.!!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!!
Good info...most people don't know that your stock tire size is what it is for a specific engineering reason for proper performance of your specific car! But you can upgrade to bigger considering doing other important steps for safety and comfort...also a better look. Very well explained.
Thank you sir! Glad you enjoyed. Check out part 2 for more!
In 20 years of driving including a lot of gravel roads I never had a puncture.
As soon as I had 18" wheels I had 3 punctures in 4 years with different brands of tyres (no gravel roads).
Lower profile tyres might look good but they are prone to punctures.
Contact patch issue is solved by going lower tire pressure when tracking the car ;) Preferably done with race tires because they have stiffer sidewalls.
A big problem most do is going big cast Heavy Wheels and with wrong offset(too long distance from the wheelbearings). Then prematurely destroy the wheel bearings becaused the wheelbearings speced for their car underdimensioned for that load.
Good points. There can definitely be a lot of negative effects from getting big, heavy or ill-fitted wheels.
Excellent presentation!!! I’m a novice when it comes to aftermarket wheels and tires, but you have certainly answered and clarified some of my questions!!! I’m finding that most new cars today are leaning towards a bigger set of wheels, particularly in the higher trim levels!!! So you may not have a choice other than the bigger set of wheels! Since I place a high priority on comfort, I tend to prefer smaller wheels or “standard” profile tires. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!!! It’s much appreciated!!! ☮️🖖🏽
So glad it was helpful! And yes, higher sidewalls/smaller rims can definitely improve ride quality. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for making this video... Just ditched my 16" steelies for some 18" Japanese bling
There is a widespread belief among both car and bicycle enthusiasts that an increase in rotating mass, ie wheels and tires, because of polar moment of inertia has a dramatically greater real world effect than a similar mass added to the frame, or driver. However, if you crunch the numbers, you will find that while the effect is certainly real, it is in fact tiny.
Another fact to note is that the trend to ever larger wheel diameters and correspondingly lower profile tires to keep the tire circumference constant passed from technological progress to fashion quite some time ago. The result is compromised performance as well as wheels and tires that will succumb to the first pothole they encounter. The tire companies work miracles but they have to follow the market. A few years ago, a proper instrumented test was undertaken with wheels ranging from 15" up to maybe 19' or greater, I can't now recall. This was done with constant circumference adhered to and the best wheel was either the 15 or the 16 depending on your choice of criteria, with the larger sizes giving progressively worse roadholding. Since tires of any quality are now unavailable in these sizes, we all have to compromise. I know higher unsprung weight is not a trivial factor, especially since the suspension is tuned for the stock wheel's mass. At least we do have big rotors as an option.
Thanks foe the input. And yeah basically you have to look at your specific application, and consider all the real world factors like what tires actually exist on the market. Thanks for watching!
On Australian Top Gear a few years back they ran a local HSV Commodore Clubsport (a "sporty" V8 sedan from the Holden manufacturers tuning branch). They did two track tests, one with the wheel/tyre combo that the car came with standard and then one with the additional upgrade pack offered by HSV (bigger wheels/lower profile tyres). The 'upgrade' of bigger wheels/lower profile tyres delivered a slower lap time on the same car. This was a combo that was selected as a 'factory' upgrade, not just someone at a tyre shop selling you what he thought.
Totally makes sense. The wheels were probably just heavier and there was probably barely any more grip if at all.
A fair summary although to be honest high cornering speeds and bigger brakes are irrelevant for driving on the public road.
stock is 185/65r15, planning to upgrade only the rear with 195/65r15. car is RWD. what trouble will this setup give? thanks.
I'm 38 years old now, I've just bought another mr2 rev 4 after many years. when I was 21 way bk in 2001 I discovered the mr2 mk2, or boy was it a joy to own, I had another one after that and I had 17" wheels on them both, taking my original wheels off. yeah the looks are better but the mr2 performs way better with its original wheels for sure
Yo am about to buy a toyota mr2 1986 all black with 2 white racing stripes on the car. Rims are stock looking to get some nice rims any ideas?
I went from a 16inch wheel to 17s and it was a nightmare! You have to make sure you consider the full circumference of the original wheel and tire, I had to change a lot to get the correct settings and now I have to run 245/40-17 tires which are very expensive and hard to find! The car handles great though I wouldn't go back and the performance is unbelievable
I'm surprised it changed that much with that small of a size change but glad it worked out! Thanks for watching!
Tactical ninja - do you mean you kept the same size tire wall across to the 17s? You can use online calculator to work out sizing. Like you say, total circumference is crucial.
This goes without saying... big wheels benefit cruising/long distance, ultimate grip and allow for larger brakes. Acceleration, braking, steering and general all round performance is generally increased when you drop a size. The biggest issues with large wheels is a great rotating mass. They are like massive flywheels that are hard to get started and take a lot of energy to change speed or stop. So ultimately, it depends on what you're doing. Long distance cruising (and whoring out for fashion), get big wheels. If you want performance, control and all round efficiency, drop a sized.
I like smart people like you, I started from 14rims, now I role on 22 and never notice any problems apart from lil more consumption of fuel.
I don’t understand all these talks, I have drove 8 different cars in 16 years.
Now, internet wants to keep me paranoid .
Nice one
Your own experience tells you everything you need to know. It's always good to learn more, but there is a lot of misinformation out there, so beware. This video mostly gives good advice, so a positive. Have fun on your 22s, lol xD
I would have loved to have kept the factory wheels on my SW20, but as you noted, finding good tires that meet the performance and stagger specs is virtually impossible at this point. So now I have a staggered set of 17" SSR Integral A2s that I got from auction out of Japan. Speedo is not as off as I feared, but does read a tad slower than actual. I have TRD springs waiting to help close the gap when I can get to that project.
sinistar mr2 Those used to be the wheels I wanted back in the day. Nice wheels! And yeah mine is only off by about 3mph at 80mph. Thanks for watching!
There are really good low profile tires, but they cost a lot of money. Like 3x or 4x as much as regular tire sizes.
I understand wheels weigh differently despite the same size,
Does anyone know if typical 13" steel rims is heavier than 15" alloy wheels ?
Also why does wider tyres with larger contact patch doesn't necessary provide better traction on straight line ?
Hard to say bc is would depend on the wheel, but if it's forged it most likely would be lighter. There's a lot of different factors that could change grip, but the simplist explanation is that s wider wheel/tire doesn't give you as much of a contact latch as you would expect without adjusting suspension geometry
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brakes do not matter if you can lock the tires. if your stock brakes can lock the tires, they can brake more than the maximum the tire can handle. upgrading your brakes will not affect stopping performance in any way. the only difference that new brakes would make is better cooling, which doesn't matter in non racing applications.
You didn't mention ride quality. Mine got way better when I switched back to stock from 17" Enkeis. The narrow sidewall may help handling, but I found it much rougher over less than perfect roads.
Good point. Ride quality can definitely be affected by tire sidewall height.
The sidewall of your tire is part of the suspension and this sidewall height is calculated along with the springs, so as the sidewall gets shorter the ride will get rougher.
I have a 1991 with 195-60 14.... bone stock... I guess I'll just replace the bushings.... It is great on ruff roads...
195/60/14 would definitely provide a nice ride.
Just to mention it.. just cuz u change brake sizes..
It dont give u better brakes..
Wider tires do!!
Im full of bs?
Try it.
Put a stock wheel on ur upgraded wheel.. and put stock calipers on new wider wheel..
It is true that brake power is limited by tire grip, but increasing both absolutely will improve stopping performance. Additionally you will have less fade with larger brakes.
Just improving brakes without more grip would be bad tho
@@SnowWhiteMR2
Unless u change ur hp on ur car its pointless.. the car brand it self have used heavy computer skills to calculate ur cars weight, hp to make sure ur brakes are more than good enough..
its been tested many times allready.. its just look cool but have little to non benefits.. just change the brake lines so ur braking dont fade. Its enough
Excellent vid! Thank you for the info.
Thank so much for watching!
Very informative video. Love the mr2 in white.
Glad you found it helpful! And thanks!
Man listen, bigger wheels over stock will hurt your transmission if it weight heavier
My 1993 Ford Taurus GL came with OEM 14 inch 5 lug steel wheels when brand new with 205/70R14 up till recently the mechanic put on 2007 Ford Taurus SEL 16 inch 5 lug alloy rims with 215/60R16 tires after he couldn't find any replacement OEM rims for my car so he upgraded my suspension since the 25 year old front end suspension was shot. after 25 years of driving around. and i was going to Buy Newer alloy rims from another more modern Ford Sedan anyway before the mechanic told me it need it.. I enjoy the added ride height bigger tires have given my car its bettered the driving down the rough dirt road i live on filled with pot holes and it has made the ride of the car so smooth adding bigger tires than OEM ones
Sounds like a little extra right hight for your situation is a good thing! Just check to make sure your speedo isn't off too much.
My Chevrolet Celta, 165/70r13 to 155/60r15. Hugs from Brazil
Yeah, but if the default offset in somewhere between +35 to +40 OEM. So if I change my wheel from OEM 16 Inch Rims 185/60 16x5.75 R16 to 215/45 17x7 R17 ET42 in my Mazda 2 Skyactive Diesel. would that change ever so slightly if i don’t play with the offset,height,rim width, and weight that much. Or would it be much worse for MPG. I’m trying to making my daily driver car in the a Volvo safety machine.
It will be a very small change. If you like the way it looks I wouldn't worry about it, but if you really want optimal mpg then leave it
@@SnowWhiteMR2 Thanks man! 😊
Mr2 huh? A man of TASTE
Lol thank you sir
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Great video very very informative
I love your chanel,
Thank you so much! Glad it was helpful!
In the sixties, big cars like Impalas, Bonnevilles used a 8.00-14 or a 205-214. Today they would put 265-17 on it. They want the money for the extra big tires... it is a scam
going too wide on tyres also adversely wet grip. a wide tyre is more prone to aqua planing as it needs more effort to push out the water
freelanceriders another channel on here tested the bigger wheel debate on bmw 320i in the dry the bigger wider tyres were slightly faster all using the exact make and model of tyre. However in the wet the results were completely reversed and said the wider tyres didn’t handle properly in the wet.
Yes i remember seeing that one. It always a compromise isn't it. i guess it isn't so if you just live in a dry area with very little rain or reverse.
None the less you are putting a good educated informative video out there for people to consider. Keep at it!
Larger wheels are heavier the air resistence is worse so less performance.
Also if you put on a larger set of wheels your speedometer and odometer reading will be wrong. Your engine has to work harder to spin them.
Hi
would you please mention how larger rims affect fuel consumption? thank you
They are heavier
Ok now on a full-size truck if you go with a bigger tire how’s it going to affect your rear axle gears if you have a 3:73 is the bigger tire going to make it a 4:10 just using a example????
I can't speak to your specific example, but yes if you go to a significantly taller tire on a truck it can change things a LOT. You can lose wheel torque and of course make your speedo worthless. If you lift and want a much bigger tire you need to change your gears too. Thanks for watching!
If overall wheel/tire size is changed should the odometer be adjusted?
If you change rim sizes, your speedometer would be off a few m/h (km/h for you metric folk). I have a set of aftermarket rims on my Mazda, and they're only 1 inch larger in diameter than stock. The 1 inch makes my speedo tell me I'm going about 3-4 m/h faster than I really am. May have something to do with tire size as well, but to answer your question; yes. Most people I know don't care too much about their speedometer says as long as it is almost accurate lmao.
Yes your odometer will be off. However the difference is negligible in most cases. Your actual distance traveled may be an extra mile over what it reads every couple hundred miles.
One note that i experienced myself.
Upgrading to a larger tire means also that your speedometer isn't correct or more correct then they did before.
That costed me 2 speeding tickets in a week hahaha. Just 2 or 3 too fast but still money
AcRaPoLiS Wow that cop needs to chill. Sorry about the 3 over ticket, and yes you're absolutely right! Usually your speedometer will be slightly off.
Snow_White_MR2 yeah my mr2 became a bit too accurate hahaha. But yeah its my own fault, although the police here in the netherlands is quite strict on speeding. But that doesnt stop my to find some fun roads to drive on. (Posted one on my channel, will be honored if you checked it out 😊)
I'll definitely check it out. And thanks for watching!
don‘t blame your larger wheels for that. You have the wrong tire!
A new reply to an old video... I am thinking of getting some Regamasters for my SW20. What's the offset you're running and did you have any problems with rubbing or hitting the struts?
Wider, Bigger or Larger rims?? but in low profile tires and the same total circumference?? is still there a problem?
I'm looking for a set for my "new" 91 Mr2 I'm getting 16s but its a bit confusing in the et department, also for now I'm sticking with the original suspension, my question is that applying bigger brakes won't Compromise the abs readings?
Mind you that I'm a total noob into rwd yet alone mid engine cars...
I've been enjoying your videos thanks
Ok well for reference stock et is about +45 and my wheels are plus +30. 16" is great if you can get decent tires, and bigger wheels shouldn't change your ABS. That being said the ABS on the MR2 honestly isn't great anyway haha. Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoy my videos!
Does bigger wheel provide better comfort level, absorbing bumps and less road noise in city drive??
no, smaller wheels (more tire sidewall height) will result in a more comfortable ride
Good question! So despite the fact that most luxury cars have large wheels smaller wheels are actually better for comfort, and generally narrower tires will be quieter too. Thanks for watching!
Nice one. Thanks
Glad you like it. Thanks for watching!
I got my mazda 2 from 2009 with hubcaps atm. Not Sure what the wheelsize is but I thought 15 inch.
I want to get rid off my hubcaps and change them into some nice rims.
However my budget is not very high because I do not have a good job.
Now I am thinking of getting some bigger wheels 16 or 17 inch aswell (not sure yet) including some rims, however not planning on changing the brakes etc.
Could you recommend me some important stuff to keep in kind when looking for bigger wheels/ rims?
If I decide to inderdaad make them a bit bigger
Mazda2 is a very small car so honestly 15s probably look pretty nice on it. 16 would look good, but tires are very limited. I think 17 is too much.
Just stick to legit brands, and avoid stuff like XXR or Rota. If you don't have the budget for $800 or more you should probably just stick with what you got or keep saving.
You also want to make sure everything clears. remember the measurements I talk about in the video. Every car is different so either take good measurements or try bolting them up before you buy. Good luck!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 thanks for the info.
I myself was thinking of 16 inch. My parents know have very close friends who own a car buisness.
They can probably help me out alot, just like always. And yeah 17 is to much for such a car
good points ,but after big brakes how well will the factory spare work?...
Depends how big haha. If your normal stock wheels won't fit anymore the spare won't either.
Thank you for sharing.
The mr2 drives and handles better on 15 or 16in wheels than on 17in but looks far better on the bigger wheels
Well as I said there are trade offs, but 17 inch wheels have a huge advantage on the MR2 for 2 reasons. You can much better modern tire choices and you can bit bigger brakes.
mentioning fuel economy would have been great.
I actually talk about that in Part 2! This video was primarily focused on performance aspects only.
Sorry.... you are showing the width of the wheel / tire at the 1min mark. The proper wheel width is a measurement taken on the inside of the wheel rim !!
Sorry I didn't dismount the tire to show the inside rim for the purposes of this video
Excellent..
Square sizes of tire...
Square sizes of RIM.. BuT the only difference is.....
The WIDTH of the RIM..
REAR IS GREATER THAN FRONT.
What can you say...
235/55 on 18x 9.5 FRONT
235/55 on 18x10.5 REAR
57 XTREME, RAYS , GRAM LIGHT SPEC-D..
Sir, also tell us how the wider wheels would have an impact on the body roll.
I run both and the stock size for me with toyo r888r tires in stock sizing is very good. My 17 inch with falken 615 are good but not as grippy.
Sounds right. Better rubber will almost always be higher performance than a wider inferior rubber.
What a beauty
If I were to up size and also follow through with adjustment of suspension, brakes, etc; will I need a special performance tuner for it or any mechanic shop will do?
Well I wouldn't say any mechanic will do, but most places should work. Ideally you will go to a shop that is known for working on your specific kind of vehicle and commonly does aftermarket mods. Also keep in mind that some alignment shops will refuse to do any spec other than what the OEM manual says.
Hi you mentioned in your video that stock wheels are 7 inch wide, what are your white wheels wide? thanks
Can I use 17inch wheel for my Volkswagen Passat 2004?
quick question regarding new tires on my 2015 Camry SE.. it came with stock 215/55r17 and I wanted to ask if replacing the tire with a 225/55r17 will be better? What tire will get me better MPG? What tire will give me the smoother ride?
The size difference is small.. what's your opinion?
Thank you
Joe
Will probably not make a noticable difference either way, but technically might give slightly worse mpg and your speedo will be off ever so slightly
@@SnowWhiteMR2 ok ty!
are wider wheels slower?
The short answer is no, but there are so many factors that can change that. I discussed some of those in the video, but you might also want to check out part 2 on my channel. Basically it needs to be the right setup for the specific application. Thanks for watching!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 hey dude my wheels are poking out by 1 inch what other options do i have. i dont wanna change the camber settings or put any fender flares
how much did the willwood setup cost?
My whole brake setup was about $2,800, but you can get a basic kit for around $900.
@@SnowWhiteMR2 thx!
@@iliovecaRS No problem
Is that an MR2?
It is indeed.
No. I think thats an f150 or.....hmm maybe a astro van something like that :V
well said. :-)
Thank you : ) Hope you enjoy more of them.
What about gas mileage?
Check out my Part 2 video for more on that! But the short answer is bigger is worse gas mileage
Sir, I have 15 x 6j wheels on my Civic 2001, which is better tire size for better performance? I want stretched look and flatlook. Thankyou
Well I have no experience with that particular car, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. However, if you're looking for the best performance stretched is never good. On that wheel you're probably looking at something close to a 205/50/15. Thanks for watching!
Hey, should I change my suspension when upgrading to bigger rims? Let say from 195/60R15 to 215/45R17.
This kind if thing is highly variable, but most likely yes.
How about 195 r14 to 205 65 r15
I like ur car
Haha thanks! And thank you for watching!
195 65 r15 of my tyre size
175 65 r15 will good for my car?
I'm moving from 215 55 16 to 215 45 17 on my Honda civic lx with honda si wheels I'm on rev 9 coil overs is that a good set up?
I have zero experience with that car, but it sounds like a reasonable setup. You might just need to do a slight ride hight adjustment. Thanks for watching!
What wheel sizes and tire aizes are you running?
I've got 17x8 215/40 r17 fronts and 17x9 245/35 r17 rears on my mr2.
You're right on the money. Those are the specs I have.
why a 35 on the rear? i got the same setup but 40 all around. what ur offset on them
jeffery schlatter if you put a 40 on the rear the rear will be slightly higher then the front because the overall diameter of the whell will be bigger. Download an app called Tire expert and enter my sizes and you will see that they are virtualy the same, but yours are quite diffrrent.
My offset is 35 front and rear
dont u want the rear a bit higher and the front lower.
my offset is 35 in the front and 42 in the rear should i get a spacer for the rear to make them 35 too
jeffery schlatter Why would you want the rear higher? In my opininon the car should look level, and thats why I put my set up. If you like it like that than keep it like that.
You dont need spacers if you dont have rubbing issues. I've put 35 offset all around because it puts the outer side flush with the fenders and gives a nice look.
I want to put deep dish 16s 205f 225r...any suggestion???
Idk man. What kind of car is it and what are you trying to do?
@@SnowWhiteMR2 mr2 sw20 tbar turbo...just want to make it sit nicely without been flashy...
That tyres and brakes add too much weight for that little car ,hope everything else up grade too
Actually the overall weight is lighter than the original stock setup.
Making a video if bigger wheels are better when his MR2 already with a bigger wheel setup than stock lol.so thats the answer already on the thumbnail.
I want to put lager wheels on my mr2 so the height on my car won’t be low. I was wondering if you could help me with that . I can also send you pictures of my mr2
I'm not sure that's a good idea, but maybe you can fit 19s on it.
it's about overall diameter :D
If ur asking me bigger tyres more higher level
Talking a lot, saying nothing. And a lot of false /unexplained things, important stuff not mentioned/explained
A lot of bad and incorrect information here....be very careful when altering anything regarding wheels, tyres and brakes on a stock car.
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Cool video😎check out my videos👍I'm looking into 15x7 wheel now. Just gotta make sure it fits over my brake assembly which is a lil bigger than factory. 00' buick regal 400whp
and you are slower .You had forget that