Hello! Spanish speaking person here! Probably not the first one (or last one) to point this out but... The Spanish translation of the game also does a neat job of keeping Patient 46's gender a mystery. See, the dialoge in spanish says "No pareces una persona alborotadora", right? the thing is, if Patient 46 was explicitly female, the dialogue wouldn't have the word *Persona* in it because that word is also not gendered in Spanish. So basically uh, yeah... Patient 46's gender is also ambiguous in the Spanish translation of the game, I don't think this makes the theory fall apart completely and all, it just kinda fails as evidence to claim Patient 46's gender.
Thanks for the information i appreciate it. I'll have to be honest when I say I was personally unsure about that point when writing the theory. In no small part because of the fact that I don't speak the language and when coming up with the theory I knew I couldn't have that be my only point. Of course that's why I also brought in the past-tense line about Patient 46's childhood and then later the possibility that they have a job at F.E. Once again though thankyou for your input. It's nice having some clarification on that. :D
@@petrichor1987 no prob, happy to help if I can! A funny thing I noticed after my comment is that in the line "Do you consider yourself a hacker?" For some reason the therapist uses **una** to refer to patient 46. Like, the full line does say "I suppose you know what a hacker is, right? Do you consider yourself a hacker?" and when mentioning the concept, she says "**un** hacker" but when asking patient 46, she says "te consideras **una** hacker?" Which is a strange inconsistency there because that does actually kind of imply patient 46 IS a girl? But I have no idea how to retranslate it so that it's more gender neutral and there's the possibility the translators had a similar issue given the rest of the dialogue is still gender neutral when talking about patient 46? I'm not really sure. But it's a fun thing nonetheless.
@@petrichor1987 yeah... when i got to that part of the video i could only audibly say "oh... NOT AGAAAIN!" because it's a common misconception (and a lot of people try to use it to justify theory claims when it sometimes doesn't apply) to think that EVERY word in spanish has a "gender". It's actually more like a way of speech to make the words "rhyme" according to what letter they coincidentally end in so the language has harmony, same with some other things on the same language like the care to avoid repeting words over and over to show you are a read person, otherwise it sounds redundant, and it's a way to feel the harmony of the words. And basically some people assign a gender to some objects not because the gender comes first but because it sounds like what you'd use for gendered speech when talking about the sex or gender of someone. Like for example "La radio" is correctly written, even if "La" (the) ends on a "feminine letter" and "radio" (radio) ends in o which is a "masculine" letter, and it says nothing about the supposed gender of the object because objects don't have gender or sex, it;s just a coincidence that the word evolved into that. A person can maybe see a radio as a boy because it sounds like boy sufixes and because of their own prejudices or imagination, or could decide it sounds like a girl because of the use of La or because the original word for radio was Radiofonía which ends on a. So "persona" in this case is actually a neutral word to refer to any person, but since the word itself ends on "a" then to make it "rhyme" you'd use also "a" to refer to the word. It's simply a coincidence that it sounds feminine, but it's refering to the word itself, not the actual meaning of "person" as refering to anyone. Sorry for the small rant, I;m just putting it here for people to read if they happen to get curious about it.
@@petrichor1987 Unfortunately as of the Ruin DLC the mystery of vanny and Vanessa was just pointless. The princess quest ending was retconned into being the real ending so Vanny never appears in the DLC and a new character named Cassie gets possessed and becomes the new vanny. Gregory is also confirmed to be patient 46 . Vanny is gone forever.
I must admit. never have I ever liked the idea of vanessa and vanny being two different people. I always thought having them be separate ruined the character of BOTH of them. BUT! this theory has changed my mind on it. because it has its cake and eats it too and is such a brilliant solution that I did a total 180 on my opinion and actively want this to be the canon answer now. well done sir. well done indeed.
The depth and thought that went into this theory is insane. I almost ignored it because obviously, they're different, I've never seen a good argument that they're not... until now. I'm a skeptic when it comes to this franchise, but god, I'm convinced. So many tiny details that I overlooked that, put together under the right light, seem huge and make me wonder how I ever missed them. Kudos to your insane eye for detail and incredibly succinct evidence and theory. We gotta get this guy's ideas up beside bigger theory channels like ID's Fantasy, Fuhnaff, and (obviously) Game Theory, bro could change the entire theory-scape with stuff as simple as long overdue timeline fixes like FNAF3's year.
Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that Vanny's eyes are (almost) never shown in the endings she's unmasked. Fire Escape ending - her eyes are closed and Gregory is confused about her identity despite seemingly being the same woman he claimed was trying to get him; Free Vanny ending - she's so far in the background we can't get a good look at her face and her back is turned to us on the hill. Even in Ruin during the "Brazil" Ending which seems to recreate the Free Vanny ending, her eyes are obscured.
One of the first things I checked when Security Breach first released was Vanessa's eye colour in both gameplay and the endings and as you said Vanessa's eyes are almost never shown in the endings and when they are, you can't discern a colour. I know that I'll be keeping an "eye" on the colour of Vanessa's pupils in the future because it may be important. Incredibly well spotted by the way :)
One interesting thing is that there's Vanny graffiti in the opening of Ruin in the same style as in the Burntrap lair, so if there is another Vanny, she could be still out there, like the Blob/Tangle.
This is incredibly well thought out and put together, and it has my mind buzzing with ideas! Thank you for taking the time to fully investigate this mystery, and for using the games as your only evidence! This theory honestly makes a lot of sense and I'll definitely be coming back to it for inspiration
This video is waaaaay more intelligent than anything the bigger fnaftubers regurgitate on eachother... its a crime that there isn't more likes on this. Or that there aren't many videos here.
If the Vanny mystery turns out to just be a "Ghostface" situation... I'm perfectly fine with that. The Scream series is a good spot to take inspiration.
A one hour video talking about Vanny was very much needed, It always feels like theorists and fans forget about her (which I don't blame them for, her own game forgets about her💀💀💀), and I agree that there is so much more than just Vanessa=Vanny. Although I don't agree on everything you brought up, this video has me looking a lot more closely on Vanny, the client, and other details I haven't seen pointed out (it's crazy I've never heard of those two paintings in SB. They seem so important.). Great video! ✨✨✨
Thankyou for your thoughts. When the inevitable follow up is made I should be able to construct something timely. It was unfortunate I couldn't get this out earlier. Next time should be different.
Another thing that can support that the structure where we encounter burntrap is the sister location bunker is the layout is almost identical to the area where we “fight” ennard in sister location’s non canon ending
Finally, after many months of asking where's the content. It's finally here, now i can rest easy and have one of the best hour and 49 seconds on fnaf theory.
This was one of if not THE BEST theory video I have ever seen. You did an Amazing Job and most definitely got yourself a new Subscriber! And let me add it so great to have a video for the Vanny and Vanessa are Separate people believers that is so well done. Because there is definitely not a lot of them.
Whooo, this was a long one, but packed with good theories! Despite the RUIN DLC, maybe ruining (ignore the pun) some of the things you brought up, they mostly hold up, and you bring up a lot of good points. It's clear you put in a lot of time, hence why this came out so late. But since it holds up so well, I don't think it matters. The editing is nice and I really think most of this could still make sense in/after RUIN. This was great and I'm looking forward to the future of your channel!
To me the fact that Vanessa and Vanny have different voice actors is a deal braker like in any piece of media, especially in this little franchise. Now, my interpretation is that 46 wants to wear a mask to be annonymous and steal Vanessa's identity given the fact that the "lies" are probably a copy paste of her life, not 46 who, according to official papers, had parents and her own records.
And the very on-the-nose line from Freddy about Vanessa and Vanny being similar names. It's very clear SW are saying "Something is going on with Vanessa/Vanny"
This is quite a good theory, very well thought out and a great video with lots of good quality editing through the whole length. As ridiculous as I find the whole 'it's all on top of SL' bit to be, it's not honestly too much of a stretch compared to, well, the existence of that place in the first place. Certainly better than Henry's pizzeria complex beneath his house in the novels. A note about the novels - that 'parallel but not canon' thing (because Scott doesn't seem to know the actual definitions of the words 'canon' nor 'retcon', based on his statements) refers to the novel trilogy, being The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones and The Fourth Closet. The Fazbear Frights and Tales From The Pizzaplex series both are produced by a different group, specifically Scholastic Inc, who you probably know of. They have been effectively confirmed non-canon ever since Scholastic got into legal trouble over and thus had to remove the seal on the books' covers labeling them as 'canon to the FNaF universe', or whatever the exact wording was. Anyways, that aside, Ruin did go on to show us a lack of Vanny but also did distinguish there being other ways down to the Burntrap area, though it worked off of the 'good' ending (in a unique first for the series, given 3 and SL and even HW had similar systems but did not work off of their best-case ending scenarios), but it ended up in that same sinkhole all the same. Even if there turned out to be yet another floor, and at this rate they might as well pitch a large camp atop the Pizzaplex roof and set up the next game after HW2 there. I've never seen those canvas paintings you showed, but they're really cool and do seem to line up with what you've said, and a lot of the details do make ever the more sense, but I feel we continue to not have the full story here - some things seem to have significance that we are far from understanding fully. Not to mention whatever the hell the blob, or tangle as it's now referred to since 'blob' was just in reference to that pose it was in, actually _is_ beneath all those SD animatronic models and cables that don't match the Funtime line. It makes me wonder if perhaps the place the second Vanny disappeared to might've been the Mimic's area, in order to maintain the computer system down there - if anyone could set that up, it would be her, and the doors lead right to it. It's also a potential reason for why the MXES entity looks the way it does. Perhaps she worked with Gregory in order to keep that, which is a common threat to both of them, contained. One gap I've seen in your timeline is that one of the cut emails in Special Delivery refer to Springtrap as outright being the original suit, not some recreation of a story like the others are, which implies one of several possibilities: Afton never showed up to Pizza Sim, and the Mimic was Scraptrap; SD started before Pizza Sim (which is possible, particularly given the easy availability of animatronics in FFPS); or Pizza Sim is just not canon anymore. Given everything Pizza Sim is, I do dare to hope that it's been retconnned out of the series, because that everything that it is is _messy._ The games' only remnant mention, the retcon of the Puppet's identity, Michael being killed off for nothing more than so someone mysterious could have a role as a voice behind a tape player, the wasted potential of Ennard and the Puppet and Baby, the drastic and pointless personality shifts of Baby and Afton himself. Just a messy game, atmospheric though its ending may be. Regardless, SD establishes in its many cut emails that Fazbear Entertainment hired an indie game developer to work on games based on the actual stories so the rumors would fit, in order to then discredit said rumors by making Help Wanted. These emails go on to mention that the developer snapped somehow and continued the storyline in defiance of FazEnt's instructions, portraying events that never happened. It's possible this could've referred to anything, be it World or 4 or SL or Pizza Sim, or games we never heard of due to that. It could be an internal misinformation campaign by FazEnt against their own employees. However, Help Wanted conspicuously is missing any sign whatsoever of Pizza Sim's characters, story, anything - the closest we've gotten to a direct reference to Pizza Sim is the location below the 'Plex having the name and general layout, and Candy Cadet showing up, but both of those things could be showing that it's a recreation or that while the locations existed, the events themselves were what changed. It might be the case for SL, as well, though the presence of Ennard in Help Wanted somewhat contradicts that. Cutting Pizza Sim out of the story just neatens things up, due to there even now being many parts of it we just don't get (seriously what the hell did Midnight Motorist actually mean) and many changes that were not needed. Anyways, great video, very interesting theory, and I'll be here whenever your next video comes out too.
These are some interesting thoughts. I wasn't aware of an email referencing Springtrap I'll have to look into that, there may be distinctions between emails that make some canon and others not but with FNaF AR that becomes really confusing. I tried my best to only use the canon/publically released emails for this theory but even then, I may have lost track of which emails were and weren't released to the public. FNaF AR more than any other game honestly makes my head spin lol. I've never paid much mind to the plot point involving the indie game dev. I always assumed it was just a choice that was made for the story so that FNaF VR could be a game in-universe while making sense in the canon. I never expected it to de-legitimise or retcon previous games, that just seems like too much work on Scott's part and it would be easier to just say that the games 1-UCN are all canon but also that game's like them exist in-universe and now fazbear entertainment are trying to make the public believe those stories are all fiction. Thanks for sharing your thoughts I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
But Scott does know the definitions, a retcon is going to the past and changing something that was already established. If it was revealed Crying Child didn't die, that would be a retcon but if it revealed Crying Child possessed the Fredbear Plush that wouldn't be a retcon because it was never established that Crying Child actually possessed Golden Freddy (though he obviously did). Same with canon, everything with the FNAF label is canon but that doesn't mean they're in the same continuity. The Charlie Trilogy is canon but don't take place in the games.
Really good and interesting theories you brought up in this video. Honestly I'm mixed on them being right, wrong, and whatnot; but still cool and well made none the less. Well done
Thanks for the compliments. There are for sure a handful of things in this theory that haven't aged well, especially towards the end but I want to revisit this one day because with all of the new stuff from Ruin and HW2 I think I can make a stronger case. Once again thanks for the comment, I'm happy you enjoyed the theory :)
@@petrichor1987 Of course! Also love your FNAF Security Breach cut content videos as well. Really did put into view how big the game was suppose to be and how talented Steel Wool Studios is with how much they made in just three years considering all of the circumstances at the time. Big shame with how much content was cut out and the game's state on release. It really did released sooner then it should have and sooner then Steel Wool has intended
Vanessa and Vanessa were two different characters in a early version, then, they became the same character afterwards. For what reason? It wasn't explained, so is the rest that was cut from the final release, the archives, i think the harder mode and unused lines.
Yes! It's finally out! I truly belive that this the most incredible video i have ever seen on the Story of Security Breach! It's so Interesting to see how the different games connect storywise. You have done such an amazing job putting this therory together and it was absolutely worth the wait! You are a Legend! ;)
I love the attention to detail and evidence u brought forth across Help Wanted, the AR emails, the time line itself, and SB. I would like to see how u would tweak this theory or adjust given the new info given in RUIN
this comment is made after ruin and help wanted 2.. honestly i think you nailed it. even with the 2 new games it works perfectly.. i go off of the assumption that all ending in the game are cannon and have to be merged together to get the true outcome. i believe that there are 2 vannies and it makes sense as one of them is freed from glitch trap and returns to being nice and leaves with gregory and then the other remains trapped with the mimic and is evil and continues being vanny in help wanted 2 which in my time line it goes help wanted then security breach then help wanted 2 then security breach ruin. applying this theory to my own makes a lot of sense. I have a theory that scott never retconed anything it is adding in details to the entire timeline but the timeline we receive is never in order and its our job to organize all the clues. i believe some of the books are actually books written in universe as fazbears attempt to rewrite their own history to save the company like mentioned in help wanted 1 tape girls audio logs. she says that the company is trying to basically write the history of the company off as some guys story or game but that they are trying to save their image by creating things and we can see in security breach some of the characters and stories from the books meaning that the books or at least some of them have to be cannon in universe and may be the companies attempt at saving their company from the past and rumors and of course all the actual stuff that keeps happening, then the company has an excuse for employees oh you heard some sounds and saw some shadows moving you've been reading those fazbear frights too much and in order to guarantee that the employees know is to make it mandated that every employee must read and know the "lore" of the pizza plex incase any kids ask you anything you can be prepared with answers. "oh sorry kiddo Bonni is busy helping out Foxi fix the log ride" little white lies to help keep kids happy while they are there. much like disney land where the employees can't break character and must know every detail pertaining to their character but it goes all the way down to servers have to know all the information incase little Jimmothy comes up going where is Tinker Bell or Captain Jack Sparrow they have an answer and I think it would operate the same as it has grown in popularity over the years as how they went from one small pizzeria to a full on amusement park with rides and a log flume and bowling and a dj and all the arcades and it's clearly gotten enough funding for this and i think it would operate on the same premise of an amusement park with their own characters and stories and we have to figure out what is the real story vs what is the in game stories and movies of these characters and go off of it as a company first and foremost then the murderer aspect and real events happening within that company.
when asked "is vanny and venessa the same person?" i sometimes cant help but laugh cuz vanny being a whole separate person just doesn't fit narratively into the story no matter how you look at it. it's more implied that they are separate personalities rather than separate people entirely. think of simon petrikov and ice king. and on a side note, I'm not too ok with believing that vanny is a separate being from vanessa because "well if greg isn't the mysterious patient than who else could it be?" as if there aren't future dlc's and future content exploring certain timelines of the pizzaplex on the way.
The translation of the 46 therapy CDs isn't conclusive about their gender. I'll go out on a limb and presume Steelwool outsourced the voice acting for the translations. It's possible that the translation team were only given the scripts with labels like "female therapist 1 (and 2, 3, 4), and Vanessa". To reiterate, the translations were likely outsourced and the translator for the script wasn't given a gender for the english nouns so they made them all female gender, presuming that Vanessa was the only patient. Personally I think P46 was Luis. If you think of him as an obese Freddy-fanatic manchild stalking Vanessa, the Patient 46 sessions could definitely be about him. But Steelwool had to make drastic changes to the game in order to meet their deadline, so Luis was cut down to be another MIA character like Bonnie.
18:16 actually I completely forgot about this detail from the teaser! I think in retrospect it’s the Mimic (who can be here because it’s just a teaser and not entirely representative of the final game) but I honestly think I like this idea more.
i haven't quite finished this video yet (im only 20 minutes in, lmao) but i'm definitely going to forget to comment if i don't do it now. your commitment to this is INSANE!!!! as i was watching i was making note of the amount of things you wouldn't really be able to include because of the "not referencing the books" thing. that alongside the avoidance of "that's pre-relase/unused content!" argument too. it makes this so much more interesting. it's interesting to see how much of this would be explained super simply when referencing the books, too. especially following RUIN's release, where it is... kind of impossible to not reference the books for? (that's my guess, i think you'd be able to find a way to do it, though.) it's also interesting to see how much of the points you've made so far can now be explained with RUIN's release; the double vanessa comic, for example. as well as the eyes in the poster. (while i'm not sure about the second set...) this is a really neat, well thought out video so far. i absolutely adore seeing everyone's takes on obscure bits of the lore. i'd like to also point out my idea, her lines in the gameplay trailer are her true intentions in a way? we don't see any warmth coming from her in game, except for the true ending where we free her. it's interesting that lore would or could be included in the trailers (to be honest, i think it was the exact opposite cause they didn't want to spoil the story, but that's boring!!!!) especially regarding how vanessa is vanny, but that vanny is a seperate entity from vanessa. (like the thing you said, with vanny being her 'persona' in a way.)
i've also just connected the dots between this second vanny and who that one could be. we know that the mimic has the ability to shape it's endoskeleton (or whatever it can do..) and it... you know, mimics things. especially since it has a pattern with mimicking afton (or things similar to afton). which makes this video so much more interesting!!!?
yo petrichor theres a mod coming out this month called "Blast to the past" it returns everything that completely went unused in security breach which means we'll get to see the old monty golf entrance and maybe the dj music man area where theres a hallway.
@@petrichor1987 My little sister talks about guts and gore and this is coming from someone who grew up on the Indiana Jones movie. She's gonna be a little Vanny, help.
Oh well, this is gonna be a long comment. I really liked the way this video was presented. I liked the music choices, the editing (i find the console selection bits to be the best example of that), and I like the way the narrative was explored. Im genuinely excited someone is trying proper longform theorising content that isnt FNAF timeline attempt 4675421.2. I am even more excited about your potential RUIN theories, but we will see if/when that happens. Now, for the actual critique, which is why this is gonna take so long. Lets get the elephants in the room out of the way first: RUIN stuff and the tales books. RUIN stuff first: Well, you really couldnt have known a lot of this stuff (like the princess quest ending being canon, the other endings being fabrications by gregory (which then throws the "2 vannessas" thing into question). I will still be calling out some stuff that conflicts with RUIN, but yeah, it wouldnt be your fault. Now, the books. The statement you used to describe their canonicity applies to the silver eyes trilogy and nothing else. (Well, technically its only about the Silver Eyes novel, but since its a series, that SHOULD have stayed the same). Frights got a revised statement on their canonicity, telling us that they were explicitly meant to connect to the games and even answer a few burning questions of the past, and tales goes even closer to mainline canon with stories such as GGY, Dittophobia (leaked story, basicly explains all of FNAF 4), and the Bobbiedots duology. With Mimic jumping from book-only to firmly present in the games, Id say there is a very strong case to be made that these books are meant to solve SB, including things like Patient 46. But I will address that later. The first proper "2 Vannys" point was that there were 2 hideouts, seemingly for the same person, which doesnt make sense, right? Even if the graffitti on the wall matches, that could just be a diversion by "Alter-Vanny". But that is only when you consider 2 hideouts existing at once in a vacuum. The 2 hideouts are in wildly different areas with wildly different equipment. The fazerblast hideout is far more permanent, with a proper (ish) bed, a computer, connections to basicly the entire pizzaplex, and an army of staffbot nightmares right at the ready. Its the point from where vanny does her main hacker acitivities. Compared to that, the 2nd area is in an area mostly disconnected from the rest of the plex, right next to the good old burnbunny (whose identity is up to interpretation, i suppose), with only very few tools at the ready. Its there to keep track of the basement hare, not necessarily as a hideout. Now, the paintings, which I find to be a bit of an odd point. The art style difference might literally BE vanny and vannessa switching personalities, as we have good reason to believe their nature switches. (Survival mode mechanics showing the vanny we see in game behaves just like the vanny vannessa would morph into, including odd, playful demeanor). But its a fair idea to put out there nevertheless. The red eyes in the poster are the blob, and I dont think theres a good way to dispute that, and tbh it was the likely option from the start. While RUIN essentially confirmed it, vanny OR a potential "Alter-Vanny" being in the location they are in in the room that is being shown is INCREDIBLY unlikely, since theyd be clinging to the ceiling, basicly. Now, what creature capable of raising head (or HEADS) to insane heights do we know of? Good ol Freddy Spaghetti, of course. The client being malicious is a bit of an odd idea, because it implies they knew glitchtrap was on these bords. Considering that they sent plenty of nonfunctional, "junk" boards, them being actually aware of what was in these is very unlikely to me. As stated by the Handunit Voice in VR, these were probably meant to ease coding for pathfinding and animatronic routines. (Mimic, anyone? Anyway.). Additionally (sorry for harping on about the books), the tales story "The storyteller", which I assume you have read, has just this scenario play out: FE cheaping out and using dangerous code to save money and time, resulting in a disaster that then gets rolled back. "Both of you" probably refers to Gregory, ex-patient 46, but yeah thats for when I actually discuss 46 and your theory on them. The voice actors are, imo, your most solid point. I agree that there being as much as FOUR voice actors would be strangely overkill, even if they are in different games and/or trailers that have old, unfinished builds of the game. But then there come some scrapped vanny voice lines, in which she has a LOT of voices. At the same time. The same entity. Has like 3 different voices at once. Id say thats easily explainable: Vannessas voice stays exactly the same throughout SB and SB trailers, but vannys voice changes a lot: That is because the voice of "possessed vannessa", that being vanny, shifts due to whatever odd thing Glitchtrap is doing to her. The pizzaplex has existed for multiple years, if we count the quarterly magazine issues, it has been around for about 4.5 years, which throws the timeline issue off, but thats not really a main issue. What is, however, is FNAF 6 and "HRY223" combined with the "Fazquerade 2035" image found in one of the security offices. The timeline stretches itself out a fair bit here. But Im not gonna stick to the timeline too much, since it gives me a headache (just like it seems to do to you). Patient 46 being gregory. Well. Hm. Big thing. Tales makes it clear he is older than he looks, so he isnt necessarily 10 (though not 19 or something, thats for sure). Additionally, them having had great parents being in the past implies to me that something terrible happened to them (murder. Probably. Explains why gregory is homeless at the time of SB). The translation thing is odd, for sure! But its also just as easily explainable. The only people speaking in these tapes are women. Any sensible team of translators would therefore assume everyone in them to be a woman. Combine that with the fact that scott was already bad at talking to his own main dev team, and that the acutal main translation, english, avoids claryfing gender at all, makes me believe that it wasnt supposed to be clear from the tapes alone. Now, for ingame evidence, because relying on the books alone isnt necessary here. There is acutally evidence that gregory was far more closely tied to the pizzaplex at one point, but has undergone some level of amnesia. Not only is an abbreviation of his name ,"GGY", all over the arcades, but glamrock chica knows our name before Vannessa ever learns it, despite gregory not having a guest profile. She also refers to a family that we should return to, which has some odd vibes. Yet, gregory knows NOTHING about the pizzaplex. He doesnt know what the daycare attendant is, how endos look like, and so on and so on. This is consistent with the tale "GGY", where he has a completely different, far too adult personality, and does things incongroous with what Gregory is doing in base SB. He was, just like vannessa, infected by glitchtrap. This is supported by the "BB Air Adventure" arcade, as it is about a young male lead following a glitched path until "going to sleep", similar to princess quest being about vannessa and that being symbolized through the protagonist. From that point on, the theory really is mostly about what patient 46 being Vanny V2 would imply for the franchise and the story, so I cant really comment on it. I do find the narrative you have spun to be very interesting, however, and am glad you put it out there instead of just throwing the identity you believe to be true out and leaving it at that like many other theorists do (looking at you, Matpat and "Oops! All Elizabeth!"). One comment I would like to make is that the cargo being transported by the giant crane is unlikely to be just normal stuff workers carried with them. There is godsdamn liquid nitrogen on there, that has no use for a crew of construction workers. (It does have a use for a corpse on a rabbit, however). Now, after this frankly absurdly long response to a video about the silly bear game (which i love dearly), I want to make one last point: Narratively, there is no reason for "VannyV2" to exist. We know what happens to vannessa and "VannyV1", she gets redeemed. Her presence in the plex moves on to MXES things, and that arc is finished. But VannyV2? She is essentially there to look just like vannessa, appear pretty much only in trailers, set 1 thing in motion and chill out in the bunny basement, where we dont even find her when we descend deeper in RUIN. Its just not that good of a story, and I dont see how it would naturally flow back into the plotline. All that complainery stuff aside though, I enjoyed the video and am hungry for more :p
Been trying to think about how to reply here for a while, there's a lot you've given me to think about. Right off the bat, I have to concede that Ruin poster point. I didn't consider the blob for whatever reason and that was a completely tunnel visionned oversight. That's honestly why I set it up as the first point after introducing the 2 Vannys hypothesis because it's easily the weakest. The crux of our disagreement is clearly with the books which is unfortunate. That seems to be the most polarising disagreement among theorists at the moment which is a right shame. It seems like no one can agree on how to use the books. Some people like using the books and others don't (you obviously know where I stand) The biggest change to the game's story when disregarding the books is with Patient 46. I sincerely believe that, in the games alone, there is not enough evidence to support Gregory being Patient 46. As a quick rebuttal to your in-game evidence to support GGY I'd point to an issue with consistency. After the Princess Quest 3 game is beaten and Vanessa is redeemed the arcade errors out and no longer works properly after the fact. The Balloon World game is still running with a glitch in it during Security Breach which based on what you've said should imply that Gregory is still possessed during the events of that game, but we don't see any connection between Gregory and Glitchtrap. Your in-game evidence mostly relies on drawing a tenuous link between Balloon Boy and Gregory which I don't agree with. The amnesia thing is also hard for me to believe, I could see it working but I would need to see more evidence that points to it, likely in the Retro CDs but I don't believe anything like that exists. Another point I'd add (Which may technically be an unfair argument) is what the original intention of the Balloon World game was. The game's cut content leads us to believe that Balloon World, Monty Golf and Chica's Feeding Frenzy were all going to have their own secret purple Glitches to find in order to gain access to Princess Quest 3 (Partly based on the "Arcade Conspiracy" message) The unfinished version of Chica's Feeding Frenzy had a similar purple glitch under the map that would've been used for this purpose. The presence of the Glitches in the other arcades never had ties to other characters they all served to get the player to Princess Quest 3. The link between Gregory and Balloon World is no stronger than a simple parallel which isn't at all strong enough to be convincing. But of course, this is all based on attempting to solve this conundrum without the books which has been my primary goal both with this video and with theorising about the games in general. The basic question my video aimed to answer was; If Patient 46 isn't Gregory then who is it? And unless it's a new character it doesn't make much sense to be anyone other than Vanny. Initially, it started as a hunch but then it became half an hour of this video. I'd love to know what you think about my point connecting Patient 46 to FE as a worker. With the Client, I ran with the idea that they're both malicious and separate from Fazbear Entertainment because of how the tape girl refers to the client in the tapes using "Someone" and singling out the client as the one person who broke into their office during the night. That's not the kind of thing I'd expect corporate FE to be doing, breaking into the offices of their subcontractors. And also as I showed in the video, FE are on full damage control regarding the Glitchtrap virus (Or mimic virus based on what you believe). I'm not saying that the Client sent ALL the circuit boards that were used in the VR game to Silver Parasol but just that they sent additional boards to Silver Parasol secretly after Fazbear Entertainment had done the same as Hand Unit describes in one of the lobby messages. The Client sending the circuit boards while pretending to work for FE is exactly what we see them do in the special delivery emails with the handle V_A (Of course that only works if you're running with a client = Vanny assumption which furthermore only works if the client isn't Vanessa because of her innocence which has been elaborated on in Ruin) I can understand why drawing such a massive conclusion based on not a lot of evidence is unappealing so we'll just have to wait? and see if that plot point moves anywhere in the future if it truly exists at all. (Only Scott knows) I've got a lot to think about with Ruin but I don't think I'll return to this theory until after Help Wanted 2. There's a lot of confusion regarding MXES, Glitchtrap and The Mimic. There's also a weird issue with the "Canon" ending of Security Breach. If the rule is "Every ending shown as a comic is non-canon" Why would that apply for Ruin's collectables but then not for Security Breach's actual endings? I'm still looking into that one because I think Steel Wool/Scott may be complicating that as well. The inclusion of the Mimic in Ruin also seems engineered to keep the books debate alive which is infuriating for me because I just want a concrete answer on all that so I can stop trying to argue what is and isn't canon (it's getting exhausting now, I just want to know what we can and can't use for theories lmao) In conclusion: we disagree (shucks) but I'm glad you were polite about it and more so that you enjoyed the video anyway. Thanks a ton for spending the time to comment your thoughts in such a granular manner. I'm passionate about the FNaF story and really enjoy talking about it and coming up with new ideas so I'm honestly glad you've invoked such a long comment response out of me lol. Again thank you, I appreciate your input! :)
@@petrichor1987 thanks for taking the time to reply! And yeah, a bunch of theorizing just comes down to "do you believe talesgames or not", which Is a real shame (and I hope we get some actual clarification on it one of these days). I think the "2 Vannys" theory totally works if you look at security breach just through the lens of the game, and can absolutely see what kind of story you were crafting. Pretty understandable that the next thing will take a lot of time, since RUIN gave us a LOT to chew on. Have a nice day!
Personally here’s what I would’ve done with vanny and security breach, basically I would make vanny more like glitchtrap (a digital ai being) and her in her digital form she looks like a digital phantom version of herself that’s inspired by both glitchtrap and mxes, but since she’s a digital being she doesn’t have a physical form and she needs one in order to interact with the real world, so she uses one of the that class V technician vanni mask to possess Vanessa’s body but she can only stay in control for 1 hour a day (also Vanessa wouldn’t be aware or remember what vanny does), in my headcanon I’d imagine vanny would be resentful and envious of Vanessa so she would try her hardest to make Vanessa’s existence as horrible as possible and try to steal her identity, basically whenever vanny is possessing her body she traps Vanessa in a princess quest nightmare in order to prevent vanessa from waking up sooner than usual and regain control, I’d also imagine vanny would see glitchtrap as a father figure but glitchtrap only views vanny as a tool and she constantly has to compete with patient 46 and all of glitchtraps other followers, in the end vannys insecurities and blood lust would be her downfall as Gregory managed to save/free Vanessa, but because of the class v technician vanni mask she eventually finds a new host body in Cassie, and because of the vanni’s neural network she’s practically a hivemind to anyone with her mask.
When you are talking about them speaking about 'having' a great childhood in the past tense... This is pretty common when talking about things leading up to a point... if you want to use endings as possible explainations for things when Gregory leaves the pizza plex without Freddy he doesn't 'go home' he becomes homeless sleeping in a box. He no longer has a good childhood because for one reason or another he has no home... you can try and make the argument that maybe he doesn't know where home is... but that in itself goes against the criteria for solving things that you yourself laid out about assuming things... So since we have to go by word for word what the game shows/tells us... Gregory does not HAVE a good childhood... but he might have HAD one. There is also the fact that he doesn't have a guest ID implying he's not there 'legally' but rather he snuck in... and has been there for a while as evident by the GGY in the arcades... now is GGY verified as Gregory? No... so once again I will have to nix that using your criteria... which ultimately leaves us back at ground zero with no answers if we try to solve it with your criteria... because nothing is so cut and dry that you can simply just solve it without making some educated guesses.
Who is vanny? ahha (Vanny is a character supposed to replace former antagonist willam afton, but instead steel wool decided to do a COMPLETE 180 and hey look... AFtone, but wait vanny still has a chance in ruin... THE MIMI-)
This is a REALLY great theory that was horribly effected by time. Thankfully, I can just kinda... Rewrite Security Breach + Ruin to make the few lackluster Vanny appearances more into setup of this idea!
With Vanessa’s dad being called bill in the Therapy sessions, i like to think That either Glitchtrap gave Vanessa Elizabeth’s Memories or Is Having Vanessa be or Pretending to be Elizabeth. Considering the mimics obsession with the Aftons. Also Vanessa talking about Candy in one of the Therapist Sessions, makes me think Some of the Sitcky Notes around the Pizzaplex are directly from Vanessa.
From security breach ruin and he wanted 2 it might be safe to say that Vanny is the security network that got hacked by the mimic AI and Vanessa is the person who got hacked by the mimic ai that was in help wanted 1
Various things I want to talk about; Firstly, the out-right exclusion of anything talked about in the books doesn't really make sense to me. They're literally there to help us solve the lore, regardless of whether or not they're cannon to the games, so just simply out-right ignoring them really doesn't feel like will help us. Especially if you ignore GGY, a story that is very much so absolutely outright talking about Patient 46. People saying it's talking about Patient 46, isn't them clutching at straws, the story VERY CLEARLY IS. In the story, Gregory kills 3 therapists/councellors, which is a direct parallel to what we see Patient 46 do in the Retro CDs, where we know they killed off 3 therapists. That is a very clear outright parallel. And, in GGY, Gregory is stated to have hacked into the Pizzaplex's systems, and hacked the animatronics. It's the exact same thing that Patient 46 did. And then there's The Mimic, which judging by how in this video you still assumed Burntrap is Afton, tells me you're also ignoring that whole character provided by TFTP. And the Mimic was literally confirmed to be Cannon by RUIN, since the endo we see in the ending is very clearly the Mimic. Hell, in the game files, it's called "Grimic", literally a combination of the words "Gregory" and "Mimic". Another thing, is that in the story GGY, the entire starting point of the plot is the fact that on most, if not all, arcade machines throughout the Pizzaplex, the highest-score is held by a user with the initials "GGY". And in Security Breach, if you look at a lot of the screens on arcade machines throughout the Pizzaplex, you'll see that, as described in the story, the highest score is held by a user with the initials GGY. This has to be one of the most outright, clear connections that the games have to the story. (next paragraph) Secondly, Imma provide responses to evidence you provided suggesting Gregory isn't Patient 46. One of them was that in the Spanish translation for the Retro CDs, Patient 46 is referred to with female pronouns, however I think the explanation to this is quite simple. Vanessa in the CDs is also referred to with female pronouns, and so when translating the CDs, probably also not outright knowing who Patient 46, they must've seen that Vanessa has female pronouns, and assumed they're the same person. Then there was the fact that their childhood is referred to in past tense. In all honesty I don't have a good explanation for this, although I can try and provide some loose ones. For a starter, using the tense as evidence for something kinda feels very specific, in the way that I feel like P46 still could be in their childhood, and that the fact that they "had" a childhood as stated by the Therapist, honestly feels like something that shouldn't be looked into that deeply. There's also things like P46's therapist calling out how the chair they're sitting in doesn't seem to fit them, implying they're short/young. Another thing is that while for Vanessa, maybe, whether or not Patient 46's therapists are working for Faz. Ent. can still be debated. For a starter, at one point one of the therapists outright states that they don't soley work for Faz. Ent., and even work at schools. This is made more interesting by the fact that in GGY, Gregory's therapists that he killed were School Counscellors. Another thing is that I feel like therapists obviously have access to information concerning what's going on in their patient's life, and can do more research and such outside of sessions, concerning what's going on with the patient. (next paragraph) Thirdly, a lot of the dates and conclusions you came to with when older FNAF locations were open seem off. I definitely think FNAF 3 and FFPS still taken place in 2023, with a big piece of evidence being Henry's audio logs/tapes in FFPS. On the audio logs you can find and play, on the monitor, you can see a labelling reading "HRY23". "HRY" obviously stands for Henry, and "23" definitely seems to be implying the year is 2023. This makes a lot of sense combined with the fact that people were still firmly believing FNAF 1 was open in 1993, and FNAF 3 opened in 2023. So Scott would've made it so that FFPS happened not too long after FNAF 3, and making it take place in the same year. Another thing that furthers the idea that the FNAF 1 location was indeed opened to the public, is the newspaper clippings. In the newspaper clippings seen in FNAF 1, while they obviously do talk about the MCI, they also have clippings that refer to the tragedy in past tense. They state that the tragedy happened many years ago, and that because of that, the restaurant is now struggling to stay open. This implies the FNAF 1 restaurant was indeed opened to the public, but that because of the tragedy that occured in the past, is struggling to stay open (next paragraph) Fourthly, a lot of the "evidence" you use to suggest there are two Vannies, is way too loose. For a starter, Vanny and Vanessa going through different voice actor changes during development is not something unusual IN THE SLIGHTEST. Voice Actors for characters changing through development happens all the time. Hell, when asked what she feels about it on Twitter, Stacey Young, the old VA for Vanny, literally stated herself this happens all the time. So I really don't feel like there being 3 different VAs for them throughout development proves anything at all. And it definitely feels like how Vanessa and Vanny were portrayed during the marketing is looking into things way too deeply. It definitely feels like it was the intention from the start for them to be the same one person. In the leaked Vanny and Vanessa statue, they retain those 2 names, and the name similarities were definitely intentional from the start. And Vanessa originally helping Gregory in the game just feels like an extra layer/mystery, especially since even in current SB, for a good while it's kept ambiguous whether or not Vanessa's trying to harm you. Another thing you brought up was Vanessa's eye colour, more specifically the eye colour seen in the freeze-frame in Freddy and Friends ep4. However I feel like that's more so just a trick of the lighting, and also a result of the overall glitchy effect of the frame, that's making it look like her eyes are orange there, especially since in that frame in general, very specifical details in general are very hard to make specific assumptions on. This beng a red-herring/false assumption is actually further supported by the October 2021 trailer for Security Breach. In this trailer, towards the start, you're shown the scene of Vanessa catching and grabbing Gregory in the loading docks. However in this iteration of the scene shown in the trailer, probably due to the lighting, it seems like she has orange eyes. However, in said scene in the actual final game, when you see Vanessa's face, her eyes are more clearly green
So much work put into this, only for Ruin to release and really shake all of the ideas up. Hopefully you might find the time to play Ruin and make updates. ^^
I will definitely work on a follow up on the ideas in this video. But I'll be saving that for a little down the line. Possibly not until after Help Wanted 2 I've got some other things to cover first and foremost.
I've heard the FNAF 1 location was open from 1988 to 1993, I think it's from the books so it might not be in the games but just wanted to throw that out there. I hope this is proven not to be in the games because this theory makes so much sense (and I'm pretty sure the Pizzaplex is opened in 2024 which I hate very much)
Alr just to say (I’m not too far in, but so far it’s really good): The amount of this I’ve just casually tossed out is uncanny lmbo Here: In the ruin poster, there are also vanny ears at the top. Also the thing abt the timeline I’ve noticed that, and specifically in the ultimate guide, it has dates for when each email is sent and they’re in 2020! I found it odd. Plus, it was 30 years after the spring locking incident! Something interesting. But then there’s a wrench: there’s a picture signed off as 2035. Plus, the dates on the calander match up with 2035. Idek anymore man Also buildings can go up in months man, I’ve seen it with giant places lol And I’ve been listening to a LOT of vanny/Vanessa/reluctant follower voicelines (trying to analyze her voice to imitate it bc I’m the MIIIIMIIIC!) And rewatching Matpat’s playthrough of HW, he thought we played as a child so that’s interesting. In ruin, we see there’s more to the bunker (also, making a vid abt smth that may or may not actually tie into this. Didn’t plant that, but it’s cool!) But I’ll leave my upcoming first video a secret :D Edit: fixed a typo
7:13 IDK why People still speculate about the fire escape ending…? As soon as I got the Princess Quest Ending; I saw that as the “Vanessa peering down from the roof,” was the Part of Her still trapped in the Pizza Plex. Granted RUIN reveals a new meaning to V.A.N.N.I. EVEN SO, I never took the Fire Escape Ending as ‘Proof They aren’t One-in-the-Same’..
Ironically 1 of my rewrite ideas would make a situation where 4 vanny's is indeed a possibility 3 who follow (2 reluctant 1 fully devoted) and a 4th who unlike the rest isn't devoted to afton (Though the solution to this rewrite is multiverse shenanigana anchored in the indian burial ground known as the pizzaplex (specifically with the idea that Afton was alive and aware for the 30 year period between fazbears frights and his initial springlocking (kept alive by having inkected himself with remnant (specifically sourced from the vengeful spirit if you want dramatic irony) and in a state of constant indescribable pain as the remnants(remnant itself is cannon due to fnaf AR) healing factor keeps healing him as the mechanical parts fuse wirh his ever attempting to regenerate flesh producing a fountain of agony (dark remnant) which soaks itself into suits parts circut boards, At the end of frights when it burns william being the intelligent person he is runs to the bathroom turning on the taps and goes prone against the floor to survive (providing a method and reason for him to survive if we make the guaranteed assumption that fire destroys remnant), Fast forward to pizza sim and as the buildings burning and he hears Henry's speech he runs around desperately trying to kill the man himself before the fire kills them as his suit physically begins to seize and becomes immobile thanks to the heat and he begins to surrender he sees someone/something in front of him and then hes gone out of the fire and inside ultimate custom night (an artificial world similar to FNAF world inside the circuit boards of the spring trap suit which in the real world was golden freedy teleported (spatial and temporal warping are canonical properties of remnant in the books (including a damn tine traveling ball pit) away from the fire then placed back once the fire stops because golden Freddy didnt want to let william die Eventually these agony infused circuit boards are recovered by someone (the client) and are delivered to silver parasol games and with the combination of his consciousness and agony being somewhat connected to the game a gap was opened and he escaped his prison becoming an AI like entity (supernatural soul trapped in a digital prison and also heavily fragmented as glitchtraps just the result of the scanning of the soul in the circuit boards, These circut boards were taken back, and used to build the pizza plexes control AI and a lot of the technology in it soaking the entire building in his agony and remnant which is known to distort space and time and with this distortion whos to say it cant create a branching timeline(the world within the pizzaplex) and along with it vanny after her mind meld with the glitch split into multiple seperate entities(mentally (after entering the pizzaplex they divided physically and only 1 can leave the pizzaplex at any given time to avoid the universe correcting itself and negating a copy. With rhis rewrite we can now have 5 playthroughs of security breach (1 with each of the animatronics and then a 5th one where we correct the distortion collapsing the timeline (with only the Vannessas/vannys remaining split) with our 4 protagonists (kids similar to Gregory whom all were killed across 3 out of 4 timelines) and the good one leaving as we get a new fully rendered Cutscene as the power pod opens and Afton walks out not as burn trap but as a full human (the true goal was correcting the distortion and rebuilding himself a new body a truly "immortal" body made up of remnant harvested from the children that went missing near the pizzaplex as he with 3 vannys following him walk out of the pizzaplex and we get a glimpse of his eyes as the game ends (1 purple 1 green(baby came along with as golden Freddy in creating custom night stopped most of the souls from moving on baby still loyal to her farther opened the escape route and also went with him (why glitchtrap is green is because babys there in the background)
I'm going to give you a really stupid idea what if the mimic is a vanny red glowing eyes (I know they're yellow on mimic- but they can definitely look red) likes putting on costumes
Truth be told it's been a hypothesis of mine since the first teaser trailer for Security Breach. It's honestly been strange for me seeing other theorists come to similar conclusions over the game's history
@@petrichor1987just talked to a bttp dev. Remains is the only one restoring the old map. Bttp is a whole new map that has some of the unused areas repurposed. So remains is the more faithful remake
Okay. If Vanessa is 23 in the main game story and was born in 97 and the game taking place in 2023 thay would actually make her 26 so she would have had to be born in 2000 or late 1999
Hi petrichor, How are you doing today? Can you try to come up with predictions of how basement 3 of Fnaf sb should have looked like according to the layout of the pre-release and original versions of the game?
Don’t you worry. The research for that is being done right now. The video itself might take a small while but you’ll definitely be seeing some more cut content covered on this channel in the future.
@@petrichor1987 Hi petrichor, How are you doing today? Can you try to come up with predictions of how basement 3 of Fnaf sb should have looked like according to the layout of the pre-release and original versions of the game? When will the video come out? Any guesses?
Great theory! Major flaw - in ruin we learn the vanny mask, is complete bull crap, allows the wear to pretty much teleport around the pizza-plex; meaning the Blob couldn't have possibly stop patient 46 from moving pass it.
The Vanny Mask, Ruin, The Layout of the Pizzaplex. The line that separates reality from fiction seems to be blurry in this latest entry, isn't it? Perhaps on purpose ;)
For a very long time I really didn't think that Security Breach had anything to do with environmental storytelling. Mainly for how far fetched everyone was taking it with Charlie (The puppet) being an A.I. controlling the Pizzaplex at large and wanting to fight against the influence of William Afton. However that construction point kinda opened my eyes a little bit to the idea having merit. However the game I feel isn't really designed around "taking your time to look at scenery to find hidden meanings." Specially when it's so big you're just rushing to one place to another just trying to complete it, and there's so much junk detail in every place you're at. The silo being the biggest offender of "lore bait" I've ever seen in my life lol. However, with Ruin being a linear game it succeeded a bit more in being direct with the V.a.n.n.i mask showing cardboard cut outs of moments between characters. Maybe a bit on the nose for some, but it is WELLCOMED by me lol. It's just nice to see something that is concrete and cannot have plausibly deniability in this series for once. So tired of having to look at tiny textures in the corner of every room to find some puzzle piece to answer years worth of questions at this point. Clarity would just be nice by now.
Unfortunately as of the Ruin DLC the mystery of vanny and Vanessa was just pointless. The princess quest ending was retconned into being the real ending so Vanny never appears in the DLC and a new character named Cassie gets possessed and becomes the new vanny so the real one is gone forever.
I am aware. I just brought up Cassie in that image to make the point that the image had attention to detail. To be fair though that is the weakest point of the theory anyway so it doesn't really matter anymore.
ar is canon, we literally see ar skins on arcades and 3 left bonnie hands on blob no, scott said canon but in a different world only for novels, frights he called "from different parts of the canon" tales he called "from the world of the newest games"
The AR thing is interesting. One thing to refute that would be to say that FNaF AR, like Help Wanted is likely a game in-universe. That would explain why the characters exist but they aren't physically real (If you're out here saying FNaF AR is real then you also have to explain the existence of multiple springtraps which isn't easy to do) As for the blob having 3 Bonnie hands you're right but that doesn't mean that they're FNaF AR bonnie hands. In FNaF 1 alone we see that there are extra costumes in P&S. FNaF AR is not quite an open and shut case we're still needing to be careful with that one. With Fazbear Frights your quote is accurate but that quote is written by Schoolastic, not Scott. This is also not to mention that "from different parts of the canon" does not attribute it to the continuity. Finally with Tales, the "From the world of the newest games" was also written by Schoolastic for marketing but that doesn't matter because they revoked that statement and instead replaced it with a similar quote to the Fazbear Frights one being "from uncharted corners of his(Scott's) series' canon" I've got the books right in front of me bro ;) I Understand if you still disagree though. My main point with canon in this video was to just make it clear that there are some aspects of canon that we are unsure about and unable to 100% confirm as congruent with the games. The basic idea was to get rid of most things from the lore that had questionable canonicity and try to construct a theory with what we know is 100% canon, that's all. I hope you enjoyed the video regardless :)
@@petrichor1987 in a world where there are sentient animatronics it shouldn't be surprising that a greedy company would recreate one of their most popular urban legends into multiple animatronics, there is also an unreleased email saying i think that the virus made the springtrap copies, also the emails state that these animatronics are real, with mentions that their casings are hard and that they take up physical space and that they are actual machines in the winter emails, in fnaf 1 only parts we see are the heads
@@ikaiju-eu9wn There is no such email to explain the springtrap copies. Regardless I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think I can be convinced on this one unfortunately. I'd need some reference to the Fazbear Funtime Service in Security Breach or a future game in order to be convinced. Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I really like your theory and even though you said that this theory could not make sense or debunked, but I feel like there are some things that your theory could work for the story of FNAF SB Ruin DLC like when you say that there could be different versions of Vanny and not the same character could really work because in the Ruin DLC there are some details like there is Vanny name on a random wall as we the player go through the Ruin place and before Cassie talks to not the real Gregory we have a option to just look around the place but on another random wall the player just see a face Vanny, and when I saw that it reminds me of a very old theory from The Game Theorist about FNAF VR Help Wanted where he said something like Glitchtrap is trying to possessed and control more people so that he plan could work and if the the case I think could explain lot. Sorry that this is very long to read. ua-cam.com/video/BXeZbcFLhpE/v-deo.htmlsi=35QIpdCw6uGkdIP8 (from ReyToast) FNAF SB Ruin DLC ua-cam.com/video/fLVyv7U0cX0/v-deo.htmlsi=WMjYgaULCvyz3oh2 (from The Game Theorists) FNAF VR Help Wanted Curse of Dreadbear DLC
The theory is almost certainly bunk, but a lot of the evidence you uncover during it really should be more widely accepted. Gregory being 46 makes next to 0 sense despite being 'confirmed' in the books. Yeah sure the games have next to zero confirmed story but much of the interpretation here is a lot less schizo than how most theorists would have you perceive it. Still don't think there are 2 Vannys, sorry, that's just mental. Maybe at one point a long time ago, but not anymore. I'd love to be proven wrong though, because Vanny being Vanessa and that being all there is to it... That's just so dumb, it is literally insulting to my intelligence. Thankfully you point out that the line where Freddy outright calls out how similar the names are and how it's not a coincidence is really weird. Like no duh, you think? Mind you I don't believe it's evidence to the contrary, I just think it's horrific writing
Idk if this is the craziest mystery or the most hard to grasp, it's literally just Vanessa. I mean vanny literally stops existing when you save Vanessa. It's really not that deep bro.
Did you really talked to Mr Scott Cawthon? ,cuz it's kinda rare for Mr Scott to talk to his fan online after the backlash I'm pretty sure Mr Scott Cawthon is not going to online search on fnaf plus he is married pretty sure he wants time with his children which is actually heart warming ❤️❤️❤️
Despite the discrepancies in Patient 46's CDs. 46 is Gregory through and through. The Tales books are canon to the games. Dittophobia finally gives us a timeline when Sister Location happens. After Fnaf 1 when everyone thought it was before Fnaf 1. Dittophobia being canon to the games.
tales is def canon, from explaining to how the mimic looked like burntrap, to who patient 46 is, to explaining the origins of glitchtrap. it's not difficult and there aren't even any holes@@petrichor1987
Hello! Spanish speaking person here! Probably not the first one (or last one) to point this out but...
The Spanish translation of the game also does a neat job of keeping Patient 46's gender a mystery. See, the dialoge in spanish says "No pareces una persona alborotadora", right? the thing is, if Patient 46 was explicitly female, the dialogue wouldn't have the word *Persona* in it because that word is also not gendered in Spanish.
So basically uh, yeah... Patient 46's gender is also ambiguous in the Spanish translation of the game, I don't think this makes the theory fall apart completely and all, it just kinda fails as evidence to claim Patient 46's gender.
Thanks for the information i appreciate it.
I'll have to be honest when I say I was personally unsure about that point when writing the theory. In no small part because of the fact that I don't speak the language and when coming up with the theory I knew I couldn't have that be my only point.
Of course that's why I also brought in the past-tense line about Patient 46's childhood and then later the possibility that they have a job at F.E.
Once again though thankyou for your input. It's nice having some clarification on that. :D
@@petrichor1987 no prob, happy to help if I can!
A funny thing I noticed after my comment is that in the line "Do you consider yourself a hacker?" For some reason the therapist uses **una** to refer to patient 46.
Like, the full line does say "I suppose you know what a hacker is, right? Do you consider yourself a hacker?" and when mentioning the concept, she says "**un** hacker" but when asking patient 46, she says "te consideras **una** hacker?" Which is a strange inconsistency there because that does actually kind of imply patient 46 IS a girl? But I have no idea how to retranslate it so that it's more gender neutral and there's the possibility the translators had a similar issue given the rest of the dialogue is still gender neutral when talking about patient 46? I'm not really sure. But it's a fun thing nonetheless.
@@petrichor1987 yeah... when i got to that part of the video i could only audibly say "oh... NOT AGAAAIN!" because it's a common misconception (and a lot of people try to use it to justify theory claims when it sometimes doesn't apply) to think that EVERY word in spanish has a "gender". It's actually more like a way of speech to make the words "rhyme" according to what letter they coincidentally end in so the language has harmony, same with some other things on the same language like the care to avoid repeting words over and over to show you are a read person, otherwise it sounds redundant, and it's a way to feel the harmony of the words. And basically some people assign a gender to some objects not because the gender comes first but because it sounds like what you'd use for gendered speech when talking about the sex or gender of someone. Like for example "La radio" is correctly written, even if "La" (the) ends on a "feminine letter" and "radio" (radio) ends in o which is a "masculine" letter, and it says nothing about the supposed gender of the object because objects don't have gender or sex, it;s just a coincidence that the word evolved into that. A person can maybe see a radio as a boy because it sounds like boy sufixes and because of their own prejudices or imagination, or could decide it sounds like a girl because of the use of La or because the original word for radio was Radiofonía which ends on a. So "persona" in this case is actually a neutral word to refer to any person, but since the word itself ends on "a" then to make it "rhyme" you'd use also "a" to refer to the word. It's simply a coincidence that it sounds feminine, but it's refering to the word itself, not the actual meaning of "person" as refering to anyone.
Sorry for the small rant, I;m just putting it here for people to read if they happen to get curious about it.
@@petrichor1987 Unfortunately as of the Ruin DLC the mystery of vanny and Vanessa was just pointless. The princess quest ending was retconned into being the real ending so Vanny never appears in the DLC and a new character named Cassie gets possessed and becomes the new vanny. Gregory is also confirmed to be patient 46 . Vanny is gone forever.
You predicted like at least 3 things that happened in Ruin jesus christ man keep it up, this is one the best fnaf theories I've seen in a while!
Really appreciate the kind words. Thank you for watching.
I’ll make sure to keep it up :)
I must admit. never have I ever liked the idea of vanessa and vanny being two different people. I always thought having them be separate ruined the character of BOTH of them. BUT! this theory has changed my mind on it. because it has its cake and eats it too and is such a brilliant solution that I did a total 180 on my opinion and actively want this to be the canon answer now. well done sir. well done indeed.
The depth and thought that went into this theory is insane. I almost ignored it because obviously, they're different, I've never seen a good argument that they're not... until now. I'm a skeptic when it comes to this franchise, but god, I'm convinced. So many tiny details that I overlooked that, put together under the right light, seem huge and make me wonder how I ever missed them. Kudos to your insane eye for detail and incredibly succinct evidence and theory. We gotta get this guy's ideas up beside bigger theory channels like ID's Fantasy, Fuhnaff, and (obviously) Game Theory, bro could change the entire theory-scape with stuff as simple as long overdue timeline fixes like FNAF3's year.
Incredibly nice of you to say. I'm happy you enjoyed the video :)
32:35 Majority of the FNAF Community: How dare you make such an accusation!
Me: Hold up, let him cook
Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that Vanny's eyes are (almost) never shown in the endings she's unmasked. Fire Escape ending - her eyes are closed and Gregory is confused about her identity despite seemingly being the same woman he claimed was trying to get him; Free Vanny ending - she's so far in the background we can't get a good look at her face and her back is turned to us on the hill.
Even in Ruin during the "Brazil" Ending which seems to recreate the Free Vanny ending, her eyes are obscured.
One of the first things I checked when Security Breach first released was Vanessa's eye colour in both gameplay and the endings and as you said Vanessa's eyes are almost never shown in the endings and when they are, you can't discern a colour.
I know that I'll be keeping an "eye" on the colour of Vanessa's pupils in the future because it may be important.
Incredibly well spotted by the way :)
One interesting thing is that there's Vanny graffiti in the opening of Ruin in the same style as in the Burntrap lair, so if there is another Vanny, she could be still out there, like the Blob/Tangle.
This is incredibly well thought out and put together, and it has my mind buzzing with ideas! Thank you for taking the time to fully investigate this mystery, and for using the games as your only evidence! This theory honestly makes a lot of sense and I'll definitely be coming back to it for inspiration
Thankyou very much. I'm glad you liked it and even more so that it's inspired you!
This video is waaaaay more intelligent than anything the bigger fnaftubers regurgitate on eachother... its a crime that there isn't more likes on this. Or that there aren't many videos here.
If the Vanny mystery turns out to just be a "Ghostface" situation... I'm perfectly fine with that. The Scream series is a good spot to take inspiration.
I've never seen the paintings before. This is why I love watching different FNAF vids, there is always something new!
A one hour video talking about Vanny was very much needed, It always feels like theorists and fans forget about her (which I don't blame them for, her own game forgets about her💀💀💀), and I agree that there is so much more than just Vanessa=Vanny. Although I don't agree on everything you brought up, this video has me looking a lot more closely on Vanny, the client, and other details I haven't seen pointed out (it's crazy I've never heard of those two paintings in SB. They seem so important.). Great video! ✨✨✨
Thankyou for your thoughts. When the inevitable follow up is made I should be able to construct something timely. It was unfortunate I couldn't get this out earlier. Next time should be different.
Another thing that can support that the structure where we encounter burntrap is the sister location bunker is the layout is almost identical to the area where we “fight” ennard in sister location’s non canon ending
I was close to including that in the video but decided against it mainly because the layout doesn't match exactly.
Good spot though!
14:15 at least in middle America, we call it both Fall and Autumn interchangeably. I don't know about the rest of America; but I assume it similarly.
It's also the same in the southern parts
Finally, after many months of asking where's the content. It's finally here, now i can rest easy and have one of the best hour and 49 seconds on fnaf theory.
This was one of if not THE BEST theory video I have ever seen. You did an Amazing Job and most definitely got yourself a new Subscriber! And let me add it so great to have a video for the Vanny and Vanessa are Separate people believers that is so well done. Because there is definitely not a lot of them.
I appreciate you kind words. Hopefully I'll have some more videos soon :)
11:50 Schrodinger Vanessa. Vanny both is and isn't Vanessa until we take off Vanessa's mask
Perfect
Whooo, this was a long one, but packed with good theories! Despite the RUIN DLC, maybe ruining (ignore the pun) some of the things you brought up, they mostly hold up, and you bring up a lot of good points. It's clear you put in a lot of time, hence why this came out so late. But since it holds up so well, I don't think it matters. The editing is nice and I really think most of this could still make sense in/after RUIN. This was great and I'm looking forward to the future of your channel!
Happy to hear it. I'm glad you enjoyed :)
To me the fact that Vanessa and Vanny have different voice actors is a deal braker like in any piece of media, especially in this little franchise. Now, my interpretation is that 46 wants to wear a mask to be annonymous and steal Vanessa's identity given the fact that the "lies" are probably a copy paste of her life, not 46 who, according to official papers, had parents and her own records.
And the very on-the-nose line from Freddy about Vanessa and Vanny being similar names. It's very clear SW are saying "Something is going on with Vanessa/Vanny"
This theory also explains why there is Vanny graffiti in the destroyed RUIN PizzaPlex. It’s the second Vanny!
2 vannys theory is my new favorite fnaf theory
This is quite a good theory, very well thought out and a great video with lots of good quality editing through the whole length. As ridiculous as I find the whole 'it's all on top of SL' bit to be, it's not honestly too much of a stretch compared to, well, the existence of that place in the first place. Certainly better than Henry's pizzeria complex beneath his house in the novels. A note about the novels - that 'parallel but not canon' thing (because Scott doesn't seem to know the actual definitions of the words 'canon' nor 'retcon', based on his statements) refers to the novel trilogy, being The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones and The Fourth Closet. The Fazbear Frights and Tales From The Pizzaplex series both are produced by a different group, specifically Scholastic Inc, who you probably know of. They have been effectively confirmed non-canon ever since Scholastic got into legal trouble over and thus had to remove the seal on the books' covers labeling them as 'canon to the FNaF universe', or whatever the exact wording was. Anyways, that aside, Ruin did go on to show us a lack of Vanny but also did distinguish there being other ways down to the Burntrap area, though it worked off of the 'good' ending (in a unique first for the series, given 3 and SL and even HW had similar systems but did not work off of their best-case ending scenarios), but it ended up in that same sinkhole all the same. Even if there turned out to be yet another floor, and at this rate they might as well pitch a large camp atop the Pizzaplex roof and set up the next game after HW2 there. I've never seen those canvas paintings you showed, but they're really cool and do seem to line up with what you've said, and a lot of the details do make ever the more sense, but I feel we continue to not have the full story here - some things seem to have significance that we are far from understanding fully. Not to mention whatever the hell the blob, or tangle as it's now referred to since 'blob' was just in reference to that pose it was in, actually _is_ beneath all those SD animatronic models and cables that don't match the Funtime line. It makes me wonder if perhaps the place the second Vanny disappeared to might've been the Mimic's area, in order to maintain the computer system down there - if anyone could set that up, it would be her, and the doors lead right to it. It's also a potential reason for why the MXES entity looks the way it does. Perhaps she worked with Gregory in order to keep that, which is a common threat to both of them, contained.
One gap I've seen in your timeline is that one of the cut emails in Special Delivery refer to Springtrap as outright being the original suit, not some recreation of a story like the others are, which implies one of several possibilities: Afton never showed up to Pizza Sim, and the Mimic was Scraptrap; SD started before Pizza Sim (which is possible, particularly given the easy availability of animatronics in FFPS); or Pizza Sim is just not canon anymore. Given everything Pizza Sim is, I do dare to hope that it's been retconnned out of the series, because that everything that it is is _messy._ The games' only remnant mention, the retcon of the Puppet's identity, Michael being killed off for nothing more than so someone mysterious could have a role as a voice behind a tape player, the wasted potential of Ennard and the Puppet and Baby, the drastic and pointless personality shifts of Baby and Afton himself. Just a messy game, atmospheric though its ending may be. Regardless, SD establishes in its many cut emails that Fazbear Entertainment hired an indie game developer to work on games based on the actual stories so the rumors would fit, in order to then discredit said rumors by making Help Wanted. These emails go on to mention that the developer snapped somehow and continued the storyline in defiance of FazEnt's instructions, portraying events that never happened. It's possible this could've referred to anything, be it World or 4 or SL or Pizza Sim, or games we never heard of due to that. It could be an internal misinformation campaign by FazEnt against their own employees. However, Help Wanted conspicuously is missing any sign whatsoever of Pizza Sim's characters, story, anything - the closest we've gotten to a direct reference to Pizza Sim is the location below the 'Plex having the name and general layout, and Candy Cadet showing up, but both of those things could be showing that it's a recreation or that while the locations existed, the events themselves were what changed. It might be the case for SL, as well, though the presence of Ennard in Help Wanted somewhat contradicts that. Cutting Pizza Sim out of the story just neatens things up, due to there even now being many parts of it we just don't get (seriously what the hell did Midnight Motorist actually mean) and many changes that were not needed.
Anyways, great video, very interesting theory, and I'll be here whenever your next video comes out too.
These are some interesting thoughts. I wasn't aware of an email referencing Springtrap I'll have to look into that, there may be distinctions between emails that make some canon and others not but with FNaF AR that becomes really confusing. I tried my best to only use the canon/publically released emails for this theory but even then, I may have lost track of which emails were and weren't released to the public. FNaF AR more than any other game honestly makes my head spin lol.
I've never paid much mind to the plot point involving the indie game dev. I always assumed it was just a choice that was made for the story so that FNaF VR could be a game in-universe while making sense in the canon. I never expected it to de-legitimise or retcon previous games, that just seems like too much work on Scott's part and it would be easier to just say that the games 1-UCN are all canon but also that game's like them exist in-universe and now fazbear entertainment are trying to make the public believe those stories are all fiction.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
But Scott does know the definitions, a retcon is going to the past and changing something that was already established. If it was revealed Crying Child didn't die, that would be a retcon but if it revealed Crying Child possessed the Fredbear Plush that wouldn't be a retcon because it was never established that Crying Child actually possessed Golden Freddy (though he obviously did). Same with canon, everything with the FNAF label is canon but that doesn't mean they're in the same continuity. The Charlie Trilogy is canon but don't take place in the games.
Really good and interesting theories you brought up in this video. Honestly I'm mixed on them being right, wrong, and whatnot; but still cool and well made none the less. Well done
Thanks for the compliments. There are for sure a handful of things in this theory that haven't aged well, especially towards the end but I want to revisit this one day because with all of the new stuff from Ruin and HW2 I think I can make a stronger case.
Once again thanks for the comment, I'm happy you enjoyed the theory :)
@@petrichor1987 Of course! Also love your FNAF Security Breach cut content videos as well. Really did put into view how big the game was suppose to be and how talented Steel Wool Studios is with how much they made in just three years considering all of the circumstances at the time. Big shame with how much content was cut out and the game's state on release. It really did released sooner then it should have and sooner then Steel Wool has intended
Vanessa and Vanessa were two different characters in a early version, then, they became the same character afterwards.
For what reason? It wasn't explained, so is the rest that was cut from the final release, the archives, i think the harder mode and unused lines.
Yes! It's finally out! I truly belive that this the most incredible video i have ever seen on the Story of Security Breach! It's so Interesting to see how the different games connect storywise. You have done such an amazing job putting this therory together and it was absolutely worth the wait! You are a Legend! ;)
Thanks a ton dude! Your support means a lot.
@@petrichor1987 No problem man :D
I love the attention to detail and evidence u brought forth across Help Wanted, the AR emails, the time line itself, and SB. I would like to see how u would tweak this theory or adjust given the new info given in RUIN
I love how he translated autumn to fall for us americans 💀
Anything to get past the language barrier ;)
this comment is made after ruin and help wanted 2.. honestly i think you nailed it. even with the 2 new games it works perfectly.. i go off of the assumption that all ending in the game are cannon and have to be merged together to get the true outcome. i believe that there are 2 vannies and it makes sense as one of them is freed from glitch trap and returns to being nice and leaves with gregory and then the other remains trapped with the mimic and is evil and continues being vanny in help wanted 2 which in my time line it goes help wanted then security breach then help wanted 2 then security breach ruin. applying this theory to my own makes a lot of sense. I have a theory that scott never retconed anything it is adding in details to the entire timeline but the timeline we receive is never in order and its our job to organize all the clues. i believe some of the books are actually books written in universe as fazbears attempt to rewrite their own history to save the company like mentioned in help wanted 1 tape girls audio logs. she says that the company is trying to basically write the history of the company off as some guys story or game but that they are trying to save their image by creating things and we can see in security breach some of the characters and stories from the books meaning that the books or at least some of them have to be cannon in universe and may be the companies attempt at saving their company from the past and rumors and of course all the actual stuff that keeps happening, then the company has an excuse for employees oh you heard some sounds and saw some shadows moving you've been reading those fazbear frights too much and in order to guarantee that the employees know is to make it mandated that every employee must read and know the "lore" of the pizza plex incase any kids ask you anything you can be prepared with answers. "oh sorry kiddo Bonni is busy helping out Foxi fix the log ride" little white lies to help keep kids happy while they are there. much like disney land where the employees can't break character and must know every detail pertaining to their character but it goes all the way down to servers have to know all the information incase little Jimmothy comes up going where is Tinker Bell or Captain Jack Sparrow they have an answer and I think it would operate the same as it has grown in popularity over the years as how they went from one small pizzeria to a full on amusement park with rides and a log flume and bowling and a dj and all the arcades and it's clearly gotten enough funding for this and i think it would operate on the same premise of an amusement park with their own characters and stories and we have to figure out what is the real story vs what is the in game stories and movies of these characters and go off of it as a company first and foremost then the murderer aspect and real events happening within that company.
Are we ignoring that those red eyed creatures never show up in ruin
when asked "is vanny and venessa the same person?" i sometimes cant help but laugh cuz vanny being a whole separate person just doesn't fit narratively into the story no matter how you look at it. it's more implied that they are separate personalities rather than separate people entirely. think of simon petrikov and ice king.
and on a side note, I'm not too ok with believing that vanny is a separate being from vanessa because "well if greg isn't the mysterious patient than who else could it be?" as if there aren't future dlc's and future content exploring certain timelines of the pizzaplex on the way.
It's def split personality, yk fnaf is crazy when people start looking for ghosts in things already solved
And then The Mimic comes knocking through the door
lol
God I hope this is true. A Ghostface like character would be sick
The mask is kinda like ghost face, if you think about it and they both have knives
The translation of the 46 therapy CDs isn't conclusive about their gender. I'll go out on a limb and presume Steelwool outsourced the voice acting for the translations. It's possible that the translation team were only given the scripts with labels like "female therapist 1 (and 2, 3, 4), and Vanessa". To reiterate, the translations were likely outsourced and the translator for the script wasn't given a gender for the english nouns so they made them all female gender, presuming that Vanessa was the only patient. Personally I think P46 was Luis. If you think of him as an obese Freddy-fanatic manchild stalking Vanessa, the Patient 46 sessions could definitely be about him. But Steelwool had to make drastic changes to the game in order to meet their deadline, so Luis was cut down to be another MIA character like Bonnie.
18:16 actually I completely forgot about this detail from the teaser! I think in retrospect it’s the Mimic (who can be here because it’s just a teaser and not entirely representative of the final game) but I honestly think I like this idea more.
i haven't quite finished this video yet (im only 20 minutes in, lmao) but i'm definitely going to forget to comment if i don't do it now.
your commitment to this is INSANE!!!! as i was watching i was making note of the amount of things you wouldn't really be able to include because of the "not referencing the books" thing. that alongside the avoidance of "that's pre-relase/unused content!" argument too. it makes this so much more interesting.
it's interesting to see how much of this would be explained super simply when referencing the books, too. especially following RUIN's release, where it is... kind of impossible to not reference the books for? (that's my guess, i think you'd be able to find a way to do it, though.)
it's also interesting to see how much of the points you've made so far can now be explained with RUIN's release; the double vanessa comic, for example. as well as the eyes in the poster. (while i'm not sure about the second set...)
this is a really neat, well thought out video so far. i absolutely adore seeing everyone's takes on obscure bits of the lore.
i'd like to also point out my idea, her lines in the gameplay trailer are her true intentions in a way? we don't see any warmth coming from her in game, except for the true ending where we free her. it's interesting that lore would or could be included in the trailers (to be honest, i think it was the exact opposite cause they didn't want to spoil the story, but that's boring!!!!) especially regarding how vanessa is vanny, but that vanny is a seperate entity from vanessa. (like the thing you said, with vanny being her 'persona' in a way.)
i've also just connected the dots between this second vanny and who that one could be. we know that the mimic has the ability to shape it's endoskeleton (or whatever it can do..) and it... you know, mimics things. especially since it has a pattern with mimicking afton (or things similar to afton). which makes this video so much more interesting!!!?
Bruh the looking into the Spanish version was EXTREMELY attentive and intelligent
Why thankyou very much :)
I can't say it was my idea. But most of the points I bring up in this video were.
yo petrichor theres a mod coming out this month called "Blast to the past" it returns everything that completely went unused in security breach which means we'll get to see the old monty golf entrance and maybe the dj music man area where theres a hallway.
Next to the theory of what happened to Glam Rock Bonnie this is quite possibly the most popular theory in security breach
Watching this vid and my little sister's Vanny slime toy lip apeared in front of me in a box, coincidence?
Bro's house is haunted
@@petrichor1987 My little sister talks about guts and gore and this is coming from someone who grew up on the Indiana Jones movie. She's gonna be a little Vanny, help.
@@fierceloyalist lol
Oh well, this is gonna be a long comment.
I really liked the way this video was presented. I liked the music choices, the editing (i find the console selection bits to be the best example of that), and I like the way the narrative was explored. Im genuinely excited someone is trying proper longform theorising content that isnt FNAF timeline attempt 4675421.2. I am even more excited about your potential RUIN theories, but we will see if/when that happens.
Now, for the actual critique, which is why this is gonna take so long. Lets get the elephants in the room out of the way first: RUIN stuff and the tales books.
RUIN stuff first: Well, you really couldnt have known a lot of this stuff (like the princess quest ending being canon, the other endings being fabrications by gregory (which then throws the "2 vannessas" thing into question). I will still be calling out some stuff that conflicts with RUIN, but yeah, it wouldnt be your fault.
Now, the books. The statement you used to describe their canonicity applies to the silver eyes trilogy and nothing else. (Well, technically its only about the Silver Eyes novel, but since its a series, that SHOULD have stayed the same). Frights got a revised statement on their canonicity, telling us that they were explicitly meant to connect to the games and even answer a few burning questions of the past, and tales goes even closer to mainline canon with stories such as GGY, Dittophobia (leaked story, basicly explains all of FNAF 4), and the Bobbiedots duology. With Mimic jumping from book-only to firmly present in the games, Id say there is a very strong case to be made that these books are meant to solve SB, including things like Patient 46. But I will address that later.
The first proper "2 Vannys" point was that there were 2 hideouts, seemingly for the same person, which doesnt make sense, right? Even if the graffitti on the wall matches, that could just be a diversion by "Alter-Vanny". But that is only when you consider 2 hideouts existing at once in a vacuum. The 2 hideouts are in wildly different areas with wildly different equipment. The fazerblast hideout is far more permanent, with a proper (ish) bed, a computer, connections to basicly the entire pizzaplex, and an army of staffbot nightmares right at the ready. Its the point from where vanny does her main hacker acitivities.
Compared to that, the 2nd area is in an area mostly disconnected from the rest of the plex, right next to the good old burnbunny (whose identity is up to interpretation, i suppose), with only very few tools at the ready. Its there to keep track of the basement hare, not necessarily as a hideout.
Now, the paintings, which I find to be a bit of an odd point. The art style difference might literally BE vanny and vannessa switching personalities, as we have good reason to believe their nature switches. (Survival mode mechanics showing the vanny we see in game behaves just like the vanny vannessa would morph into, including odd, playful demeanor). But its a fair idea to put out there nevertheless.
The red eyes in the poster are the blob, and I dont think theres a good way to dispute that, and tbh it was the likely option from the start. While RUIN essentially confirmed it, vanny OR a potential "Alter-Vanny" being in the location they are in in the room that is being shown is INCREDIBLY unlikely, since theyd be clinging to the ceiling, basicly. Now, what creature capable of raising head (or HEADS) to insane heights do we know of? Good ol Freddy Spaghetti, of course.
The client being malicious is a bit of an odd idea, because it implies they knew glitchtrap was on these bords. Considering that they sent plenty of nonfunctional, "junk" boards, them being actually aware of what was in these is very unlikely to me. As stated by the Handunit Voice in VR, these were probably meant to ease coding for pathfinding and animatronic routines. (Mimic, anyone? Anyway.). Additionally (sorry for harping on about the books), the tales story "The storyteller", which I assume you have read, has just this scenario play out: FE cheaping out and using dangerous code to save money and time, resulting in a disaster that then gets rolled back.
"Both of you" probably refers to Gregory, ex-patient 46, but yeah thats for when I actually discuss 46 and your theory on them.
The voice actors are, imo, your most solid point. I agree that there being as much as FOUR voice actors would be strangely overkill, even if they are in different games and/or trailers that have old, unfinished builds of the game. But then there come some scrapped vanny voice lines, in which she has a LOT of voices. At the same time. The same entity. Has like 3 different voices at once.
Id say thats easily explainable: Vannessas voice stays exactly the same throughout SB and SB trailers, but vannys voice changes a lot: That is because the voice of "possessed vannessa", that being vanny, shifts due to whatever odd thing Glitchtrap is doing to her.
The pizzaplex has existed for multiple years, if we count the quarterly magazine issues, it has been around for about 4.5 years, which throws the timeline issue off, but thats not really a main issue. What is, however, is FNAF 6 and "HRY223" combined with the "Fazquerade 2035" image found in one of the security offices. The timeline stretches itself out a fair bit here. But Im not gonna stick to the timeline too much, since it gives me a headache (just like it seems to do to you).
Patient 46 being gregory. Well. Hm. Big thing. Tales makes it clear he is older than he looks, so he isnt necessarily 10 (though not 19 or something, thats for sure). Additionally, them having had great parents being in the past implies to me that something terrible happened to them (murder. Probably. Explains why gregory is homeless at the time of SB).
The translation thing is odd, for sure! But its also just as easily explainable. The only people speaking in these tapes are women. Any sensible team of translators would therefore assume everyone in them to be a woman. Combine that with the fact that scott was already bad at talking to his own main dev team, and that the acutal main translation, english, avoids claryfing gender at all, makes me believe that it wasnt supposed to be clear from the tapes alone.
Now, for ingame evidence, because relying on the books alone isnt necessary here. There is acutally evidence that gregory was far more closely tied to the pizzaplex at one point, but has undergone some level of amnesia. Not only is an abbreviation of his name ,"GGY", all over the arcades, but glamrock chica knows our name before Vannessa ever learns it, despite gregory not having a guest profile. She also refers to a family that we should return to, which has some odd vibes. Yet, gregory knows NOTHING about the pizzaplex. He doesnt know what the daycare attendant is, how endos look like, and so on and so on. This is consistent with the tale "GGY", where he has a completely different, far too adult personality, and does things incongroous with what Gregory is doing in base SB. He was, just like vannessa, infected by glitchtrap. This is supported by the "BB Air Adventure" arcade, as it is about a young male lead following a glitched path until "going to sleep", similar to princess quest being about vannessa and that being symbolized through the protagonist.
From that point on, the theory really is mostly about what patient 46 being Vanny V2 would imply for the franchise and the story, so I cant really comment on it. I do find the narrative you have spun to be very interesting, however, and am glad you put it out there instead of just throwing the identity you believe to be true out and leaving it at that like many other theorists do (looking at you, Matpat and "Oops! All Elizabeth!").
One comment I would like to make is that the cargo being transported by the giant crane is unlikely to be just normal stuff workers carried with them. There is godsdamn liquid nitrogen on there, that has no use for a crew of construction workers. (It does have a use for a corpse on a rabbit, however).
Now, after this frankly absurdly long response to a video about the silly bear game (which i love dearly), I want to make one last point: Narratively, there is no reason for "VannyV2" to exist. We know what happens to vannessa and "VannyV1", she gets redeemed. Her presence in the plex moves on to MXES things, and that arc is finished. But VannyV2? She is essentially there to look just like vannessa, appear pretty much only in trailers, set 1 thing in motion and chill out in the bunny basement, where we dont even find her when we descend deeper in RUIN. Its just not that good of a story, and I dont see how it would naturally flow back into the plotline.
All that complainery stuff aside though, I enjoyed the video and am hungry for more :p
Been trying to think about how to reply here for a while, there's a lot you've given me to think about.
Right off the bat, I have to concede that Ruin poster point. I didn't consider the blob for whatever reason and that was a completely tunnel visionned oversight. That's honestly why I set it up as the first point after introducing the 2 Vannys hypothesis because it's easily the weakest.
The crux of our disagreement is clearly with the books which is unfortunate. That seems to be the most polarising disagreement among theorists at the moment which is a right shame. It seems like no one can agree on how to use the books. Some people like using the books and others don't (you obviously know where I stand)
The biggest change to the game's story when disregarding the books is with Patient 46. I sincerely believe that, in the games alone, there is not enough evidence to support Gregory being Patient 46. As a quick rebuttal to your in-game evidence to support GGY I'd point to an issue with consistency. After the Princess Quest 3 game is beaten and Vanessa is redeemed the arcade errors out and no longer works properly after the fact. The Balloon World game is still running with a glitch in it during Security Breach which based on what you've said should imply that Gregory is still possessed during the events of that game, but we don't see any connection between Gregory and Glitchtrap. Your in-game evidence mostly relies on drawing a tenuous link between Balloon Boy and Gregory which I don't agree with. The amnesia thing is also hard for me to believe, I could see it working but I would need to see more evidence that points to it, likely in the Retro CDs but I don't believe anything like that exists.
Another point I'd add (Which may technically be an unfair argument) is what the original intention of the Balloon World game was. The game's cut content leads us to believe that Balloon World, Monty Golf and Chica's Feeding Frenzy were all going to have their own secret purple Glitches to find in order to gain access to Princess Quest 3 (Partly based on the "Arcade Conspiracy" message) The unfinished version of Chica's Feeding Frenzy had a similar purple glitch under the map that would've been used for this purpose. The presence of the Glitches in the other arcades never had ties to other characters they all served to get the player to Princess Quest 3. The link between Gregory and Balloon World is no stronger than a simple parallel which isn't at all strong enough to be convincing. But of course, this is all based on attempting to solve this conundrum without the books which has been my primary goal both with this video and with theorising about the games in general.
The basic question my video aimed to answer was; If Patient 46 isn't Gregory then who is it? And unless it's a new character it doesn't make much sense to be anyone other than Vanny. Initially, it started as a hunch but then it became half an hour of this video. I'd love to know what you think about my point connecting Patient 46 to FE as a worker.
With the Client, I ran with the idea that they're both malicious and separate from Fazbear Entertainment because of how the tape girl refers to the client in the tapes using "Someone" and singling out the client as the one person who broke into their office during the night. That's not the kind of thing I'd expect corporate FE to be doing, breaking into the offices of their subcontractors. And also as I showed in the video, FE are on full damage control regarding the Glitchtrap virus (Or mimic virus based on what you believe). I'm not saying that the Client sent ALL the circuit boards that were used in the VR game to Silver Parasol but just that they sent additional boards to Silver Parasol secretly after Fazbear Entertainment had done the same as Hand Unit describes in one of the lobby messages. The Client sending the circuit boards while pretending to work for FE is exactly what we see them do in the special delivery emails with the handle V_A (Of course that only works if you're running with a client = Vanny assumption which furthermore only works if the client isn't Vanessa because of her innocence which has been elaborated on in Ruin) I can understand why drawing such a massive conclusion based on not a lot of evidence is unappealing so we'll just have to wait? and see if that plot point moves anywhere in the future if it truly exists at all. (Only Scott knows)
I've got a lot to think about with Ruin but I don't think I'll return to this theory until after Help Wanted 2. There's a lot of confusion regarding MXES, Glitchtrap and The Mimic. There's also a weird issue with the "Canon" ending of Security Breach. If the rule is "Every ending shown as a comic is non-canon" Why would that apply for Ruin's collectables but then not for Security Breach's actual endings? I'm still looking into that one because I think Steel Wool/Scott may be complicating that as well.
The inclusion of the Mimic in Ruin also seems engineered to keep the books debate alive which is infuriating for me because I just want a concrete answer on all that so I can stop trying to argue what is and isn't canon (it's getting exhausting now, I just want to know what we can and can't use for theories lmao)
In conclusion: we disagree (shucks) but I'm glad you were polite about it and more so that you enjoyed the video anyway. Thanks a ton for spending the time to comment your thoughts in such a granular manner. I'm passionate about the FNaF story and really enjoy talking about it and coming up with new ideas so I'm honestly glad you've invoked such a long comment response out of me lol. Again thank you, I appreciate your input! :)
@@petrichor1987 thanks for taking the time to reply! And yeah, a bunch of theorizing just comes down to "do you believe talesgames or not", which Is a real shame (and I hope we get some actual clarification on it one of these days).
I think the "2 Vannys" theory totally works if you look at security breach just through the lens of the game, and can absolutely see what kind of story you were crafting. Pretty understandable that the next thing will take a lot of time, since RUIN gave us a LOT to chew on.
Have a nice day!
literally her entire character was scrapped
Personally here’s what I would’ve done with vanny and security breach, basically I would make vanny more like glitchtrap (a digital ai being) and her in her digital form she looks like a digital phantom version of herself that’s inspired by both glitchtrap and mxes, but since she’s a digital being she doesn’t have a physical form and she needs one in order to interact with the real world, so she uses one of the that class V technician vanni mask to possess Vanessa’s body but she can only stay in control for 1 hour a day (also Vanessa wouldn’t be aware or remember what vanny does), in my headcanon I’d imagine vanny would be resentful and envious of Vanessa so she would try her hardest to make Vanessa’s existence as horrible as possible and try to steal her identity, basically whenever vanny is possessing her body she traps Vanessa in a princess quest nightmare in order to prevent vanessa from waking up sooner than usual and regain control, I’d also imagine vanny would see glitchtrap as a father figure but glitchtrap only views vanny as a tool and she constantly has to compete with patient 46 and all of glitchtraps other followers, in the end vannys insecurities and blood lust would be her downfall as Gregory managed to save/free Vanessa, but because of the class v technician vanni mask she eventually finds a new host body in Cassie, and because of the vanni’s neural network she’s practically a hivemind to anyone with her mask.
It’s finally done, great job :D
When you are talking about them speaking about 'having' a great childhood in the past tense...
This is pretty common when talking about things leading up to a point... if you want to use endings as possible explainations for things when Gregory leaves the pizza plex without Freddy he doesn't 'go home' he becomes homeless sleeping in a box. He no longer has a good childhood because for one reason or another he has no home... you can try and make the argument that maybe he doesn't know where home is... but that in itself goes against the criteria for solving things that you yourself laid out about assuming things...
So since we have to go by word for word what the game shows/tells us... Gregory does not HAVE a good childhood... but he might have HAD one. There is also the fact that he doesn't have a guest ID implying he's not there 'legally' but rather he snuck in... and has been there for a while as evident by the GGY in the arcades... now is GGY verified as Gregory? No... so once again I will have to nix that using your criteria... which ultimately leaves us back at ground zero with no answers if we try to solve it with your criteria... because nothing is so cut and dry that you can simply just solve it without making some educated guesses.
With B7-2, it brings in the concept of multiple identities being able to split into separate enitites which could mean Vanny is inside of 2 people
Who is vanny? ahha (Vanny is a character supposed to replace former antagonist willam afton, but instead steel wool decided to do a COMPLETE 180 and hey look... AFtone, but wait vanny still has a chance in ruin... THE MIMI-)
This is a REALLY great theory that was horribly effected by time.
Thankfully, I can just kinda... Rewrite Security Breach + Ruin to make the few lackluster Vanny appearances more into setup of this idea!
I still think they're 2 different people
With Vanessa’s dad being called bill in the Therapy sessions, i like to think That either Glitchtrap gave Vanessa Elizabeth’s Memories or Is Having Vanessa be or Pretending to be Elizabeth. Considering the mimics obsession with the Aftons.
Also Vanessa talking about Candy in one of the Therapist Sessions, makes me think Some of the Sitcky Notes around the Pizzaplex are directly from Vanessa.
From security breach ruin and he wanted 2 it might be safe to say that Vanny is the security network that got hacked by the mimic AI and Vanessa is the person who got hacked by the mimic ai that was in help wanted 1
Various things I want to talk about;
Firstly, the out-right exclusion of anything talked about in the books doesn't really make sense to me. They're literally there to help us solve the lore, regardless of whether or not they're cannon to the games, so just simply out-right ignoring them really doesn't feel like will help us. Especially if you ignore GGY, a story that is very much so absolutely outright talking about Patient 46. People saying it's talking about Patient 46, isn't them clutching at straws, the story VERY CLEARLY IS. In the story, Gregory kills 3 therapists/councellors, which is a direct parallel to what we see Patient 46 do in the Retro CDs, where we know they killed off 3 therapists. That is a very clear outright parallel. And, in GGY, Gregory is stated to have hacked into the Pizzaplex's systems, and hacked the animatronics. It's the exact same thing that Patient 46 did. And then there's The Mimic, which judging by how in this video you still assumed Burntrap is Afton, tells me you're also ignoring that whole character provided by TFTP. And the Mimic was literally confirmed to be Cannon by RUIN, since the endo we see in the ending is very clearly the Mimic. Hell, in the game files, it's called "Grimic", literally a combination of the words "Gregory" and "Mimic". Another thing, is that in the story GGY, the entire starting point of the plot is the fact that on most, if not all, arcade machines throughout the Pizzaplex, the highest-score is held by a user with the initials "GGY". And in Security Breach, if you look at a lot of the screens on arcade machines throughout the Pizzaplex, you'll see that, as described in the story, the highest score is held by a user with the initials GGY. This has to be one of the most outright, clear connections that the games have to the story. (next paragraph)
Secondly, Imma provide responses to evidence you provided suggesting Gregory isn't Patient 46. One of them was that in the Spanish translation for the Retro CDs, Patient 46 is referred to with female pronouns, however I think the explanation to this is quite simple. Vanessa in the CDs is also referred to with female pronouns, and so when translating the CDs, probably also not outright knowing who Patient 46, they must've seen that Vanessa has female pronouns, and assumed they're the same person. Then there was the fact that their childhood is referred to in past tense. In all honesty I don't have a good explanation for this, although I can try and provide some loose ones. For a starter, using the tense as evidence for something kinda feels very specific, in the way that I feel like P46 still could be in their childhood, and that the fact that they "had" a childhood as stated by the Therapist, honestly feels like something that shouldn't be looked into that deeply. There's also things like P46's therapist calling out how the chair they're sitting in doesn't seem to fit them, implying they're short/young. Another thing is that while for Vanessa, maybe, whether or not Patient 46's therapists are working for Faz. Ent. can still be debated. For a starter, at one point one of the therapists outright states that they don't soley work for Faz. Ent., and even work at schools. This is made more interesting by the fact that in GGY, Gregory's therapists that he killed were School Counscellors. Another thing is that I feel like therapists obviously have access to information concerning what's going on in their patient's life, and can do more research and such outside of sessions, concerning what's going on with the patient. (next paragraph)
Thirdly, a lot of the dates and conclusions you came to with when older FNAF locations were open seem off. I definitely think FNAF 3 and FFPS still taken place in 2023, with a big piece of evidence being Henry's audio logs/tapes in FFPS. On the audio logs you can find and play, on the monitor, you can see a labelling reading "HRY23". "HRY" obviously stands for Henry, and "23" definitely seems to be implying the year is 2023. This makes a lot of sense combined with the fact that people were still firmly believing FNAF 1 was open in 1993, and FNAF 3 opened in 2023. So Scott would've made it so that FFPS happened not too long after FNAF 3, and making it take place in the same year. Another thing that furthers the idea that the FNAF 1 location was indeed opened to the public, is the newspaper clippings. In the newspaper clippings seen in FNAF 1, while they obviously do talk about the MCI, they also have clippings that refer to the tragedy in past tense. They state that the tragedy happened many years ago, and that because of that, the restaurant is now struggling to stay open. This implies the FNAF 1 restaurant was indeed opened to the public, but that because of the tragedy that occured in the past, is struggling to stay open (next paragraph)
Fourthly, a lot of the "evidence" you use to suggest there are two Vannies, is way too loose. For a starter, Vanny and Vanessa going through different voice actor changes during development is not something unusual IN THE SLIGHTEST. Voice Actors for characters changing through development happens all the time. Hell, when asked what she feels about it on Twitter, Stacey Young, the old VA for Vanny, literally stated herself this happens all the time. So I really don't feel like there being 3 different VAs for them throughout development proves anything at all. And it definitely feels like how Vanessa and Vanny were portrayed during the marketing is looking into things way too deeply. It definitely feels like it was the intention from the start for them to be the same one person. In the leaked Vanny and Vanessa statue, they retain those 2 names, and the name similarities were definitely intentional from the start. And Vanessa originally helping Gregory in the game just feels like an extra layer/mystery, especially since even in current SB, for a good while it's kept ambiguous whether or not Vanessa's trying to harm you. Another thing you brought up was Vanessa's eye colour, more specifically the eye colour seen in the freeze-frame in Freddy and Friends ep4. However I feel like that's more so just a trick of the lighting, and also a result of the overall glitchy effect of the frame, that's making it look like her eyes are orange there, especially since in that frame in general, very specifical details in general are very hard to make specific assumptions on. This beng a red-herring/false assumption is actually further supported by the October 2021 trailer for Security Breach. In this trailer, towards the start, you're shown the scene of Vanessa catching and grabbing Gregory in the loading docks. However in this iteration of the scene shown in the trailer, probably due to the lighting, it seems like she has orange eyes. However, in said scene in the actual final game, when you see Vanessa's face, her eyes are more clearly green
So much work put into this, only for Ruin to release and really shake all of the ideas up. Hopefully you might find the time to play Ruin and make updates. ^^
I will definitely work on a follow up on the ideas in this video. But I'll be saving that for a little down the line. Possibly not until after Help Wanted 2 I've got some other things to cover first and foremost.
I've heard the FNAF 1 location was open from 1988 to 1993, I think it's from the books so it might not be in the games but just wanted to throw that out there. I hope this is proven not to be in the games because this theory makes so much sense (and I'm pretty sure the Pizzaplex is opened in 2024 which I hate very much)
I would love to see a video talking about how the Ruin areas compare to the base Security breach areas!
It's in the works :)
this theory is poggies
I hope we see vanny in help wanted 2. I really like her character. She didnt get the chance to be the big bad i know she could be
:)
Vanny was barely in the main game for security breach. The dlc she absent totally,
Alr just to say (I’m not too far in, but so far it’s really good):
The amount of this I’ve just casually tossed out is uncanny lmbo
Here:
In the ruin poster, there are also vanny ears at the top.
Also the thing abt the timeline I’ve noticed that, and specifically in the ultimate guide, it has dates for when each email is sent and they’re in 2020! I found it odd. Plus, it was 30 years after the spring locking incident! Something interesting. But then there’s a wrench: there’s a picture signed off as 2035. Plus, the dates on the calander match up with 2035. Idek anymore man
Also buildings can go up in months man, I’ve seen it with giant places lol
And I’ve been listening to a LOT of vanny/Vanessa/reluctant follower voicelines (trying to analyze her voice to imitate it bc I’m the MIIIIMIIIC!) And rewatching Matpat’s playthrough of HW, he thought we played as a child so that’s interesting.
In ruin, we see there’s more to the bunker (also, making a vid abt smth that may or may not actually tie into this. Didn’t plant that, but it’s cool!)
But I’ll leave my upcoming first video a secret :D
Edit: fixed a typo
7:13 IDK why People still speculate about the fire escape ending…?
As soon as I got the Princess Quest Ending; I saw that as the “Vanessa peering down from the roof,” was the Part of Her still trapped in the Pizza Plex.
Granted RUIN reveals a new meaning to V.A.N.N.I.
EVEN SO, I never took the Fire Escape Ending as ‘Proof They aren’t One-in-the-Same’..
I know who Vanny is.
Missed potential
Ironically 1 of my rewrite ideas would make a situation where 4 vanny's is indeed a possibility 3 who follow (2 reluctant 1 fully devoted) and a 4th who unlike the rest isn't devoted to afton
(Though the solution to this rewrite is multiverse shenanigana anchored in the indian burial ground known as the pizzaplex (specifically with the idea that Afton was alive and aware for the 30 year period between fazbears frights and his initial springlocking (kept alive by having inkected himself with remnant (specifically sourced from the vengeful spirit if you want dramatic irony) and in a state of constant indescribable pain as the remnants(remnant itself is cannon due to fnaf AR) healing factor keeps healing him as the mechanical parts fuse wirh his ever attempting to regenerate flesh producing a fountain of agony (dark remnant) which soaks itself into suits parts circut boards,
At the end of frights when it burns william being the intelligent person he is runs to the bathroom turning on the taps and goes prone against the floor to survive (providing a method and reason for him to survive if we make the guaranteed assumption that fire destroys remnant),
Fast forward to pizza sim and as the buildings burning and he hears Henry's speech he runs around desperately trying to kill the man himself before the fire kills them as his suit physically begins to seize and becomes immobile thanks to the heat and he begins to surrender he sees someone/something in front of him and then hes gone out of the fire and inside ultimate custom night (an artificial world similar to FNAF world inside the circuit boards of the spring trap suit which in the real world was golden freedy teleported (spatial and temporal warping are canonical properties of remnant in the books (including a damn tine traveling ball pit) away from the fire then placed back once the fire stops because golden Freddy didnt want to let william die
Eventually these agony infused circuit boards are recovered by someone (the client) and are delivered to silver parasol games and with the combination of his consciousness and agony being somewhat connected to the game a gap was opened and he escaped his prison becoming an AI like entity (supernatural soul trapped in a digital prison and also heavily fragmented as glitchtraps just the result of the scanning of the soul in the circuit boards,
These circut boards were taken back, and used to build the pizza plexes control AI and a lot of the technology in it soaking the entire building in his agony and remnant which is known to distort space and time and with this distortion whos to say it cant create a branching timeline(the world within the pizzaplex) and along with it vanny after her mind meld with the glitch split into multiple seperate entities(mentally (after entering the pizzaplex they divided physically and only 1 can leave the pizzaplex at any given time to avoid the universe correcting itself and negating a copy.
With rhis rewrite we can now have 5 playthroughs of security breach (1 with each of the animatronics and then a 5th one where we correct the distortion collapsing the timeline (with only the Vannessas/vannys remaining split) with our 4 protagonists (kids similar to Gregory whom all were killed across 3 out of 4 timelines) and the good one leaving as we get a new fully rendered Cutscene as the power pod opens and Afton walks out not as burn trap but as a full human (the true goal was correcting the distortion and rebuilding himself a new body a truly "immortal" body made up of remnant harvested from the children that went missing near the pizzaplex as he with 3 vannys following him walk out of the pizzaplex and we get a glimpse of his eyes as the game ends (1 purple 1 green(baby came along with as golden Freddy in creating custom night stopped most of the souls from moving on baby still loyal to her farther opened the escape route and also went with him (why glitchtrap is green is because babys there in the background)
Who is Vanny? I thought Help Wanted - Security Breach made it perfectly clear that it's Vanessa.
I'm going to give you a really stupid idea
what if the mimic is a vanny
red glowing eyes (I know they're yellow on mimic- but they can definitely look red)
likes putting on costumes
wow thats really stupid
interresting that you came up with the Sister location connection without ruin
Truth be told it's been a hypothesis of mine since the first teaser trailer for Security Breach. It's honestly been strange for me seeing other theorists come to similar conclusions over the game's history
Hey have you seen the mod blast to the past? I’d love to see your reaction/opinions on the trailer for the mod.
I have seen that mod. I'm watching it closely. Might talk about it a bit in cut content part 3 ;)
@@petrichor1987nice
@@petrichor1987isn’t there another one like it? I forgot the name, but it’s like blast to the past but with a slightly different concept
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic I think there's one other called "the remains" but I could be wrong
@@petrichor1987just talked to a bttp dev. Remains is the only one restoring the old map. Bttp is a whole new map that has some of the unused areas repurposed. So remains is the more faithful remake
Okay. If Vanessa is 23 in the main game story and was born in 97 and the game taking place in 2023 thay would actually make her 26 so she would have had to be born in 2000 or late 1999
Although I believe Gregory is 46 and Vanny is Vanessa this is still an amazing video
Ohhh. I forgot about the tagging beside the second bed. In RUIN, that tag appears a lot
Yes, Vanny's iconography is suspiciously everywhere in Ruin despite her absence.
It sticks out like a sore thumb woth this theory that casy gets trapped in the same place in ruin with this theory just cant seem figure that part out
I LOVE THIS
It Feels like a red haring,
Because of how obvious it looks.
Hi petrichor, How are you doing today? Can you try to come up with predictions of how basement 3 of Fnaf sb should have looked like according to the layout of the pre-release and original versions of the game?
Don’t you worry. The research for that is being done right now. The video itself might take a small while but you’ll definitely be seeing some more cut content covered on this channel in the future.
@@petrichor1987 When will the video come out? Any guesses?
Also we’re do the 2 giant metal doors in the loading docks area lead to?
@@petrichor1987 Hi petrichor, How are you doing today? Can you try to come up with predictions of how basement 3 of Fnaf sb should have looked like according to the layout of the pre-release and original versions of the game?
When will the video come out? Any guesses?
@@SMCA2024 Cut content part 3 is being worked on. No guesses on a window for release though. Got more than just that video in the works.
ROBOT VANESSA! WOOHOO
Great theory! Major flaw - in ruin we learn the vanny mask, is complete bull crap, allows the wear to pretty much teleport around the pizza-plex; meaning the Blob couldn't have possibly stop patient 46 from moving pass it.
The Vanny Mask, Ruin, The Layout of the Pizzaplex. The line that separates reality from fiction seems to be blurry in this latest entry, isn't it? Perhaps on purpose ;)
Vanny...the serial bunny killer, out to catch Gregory and behind the suit is Vanessa..
This video will show every single theory about her in 1 hour 🙂👍
Oh dear god is other vanny/patient 46 the mimic
For a very long time I really didn't think that Security Breach had anything to do with environmental storytelling. Mainly for how far fetched everyone was taking it with Charlie (The puppet) being an A.I. controlling the Pizzaplex at large and wanting to fight against the influence of William Afton. However that construction point kinda opened my eyes a little bit to the idea having merit. However the game I feel isn't really designed around "taking your time to look at scenery to find hidden meanings." Specially when it's so big you're just rushing to one place to another just trying to complete it, and there's so much junk detail in every place you're at. The silo being the biggest offender of "lore bait" I've ever seen in my life lol.
However, with Ruin being a linear game it succeeded a bit more in being direct with the V.a.n.n.i mask showing cardboard cut outs of moments between characters. Maybe a bit on the nose for some, but it is WELLCOMED by me lol. It's just nice to see something that is concrete and cannot have plausibly deniability in this series for once. So tired of having to look at tiny textures in the corner of every room to find some puzzle piece to answer years worth of questions at this point. Clarity would just be nice by now.
Btw it was confirmed in sb that vanes was vanny
I love fnaf but we all have to admit the lore is ass and i wouldn’t be surprised if this were true.
hooooo ma gawd
Unfortunately as of the Ruin DLC the mystery of vanny and Vanessa was just pointless. The princess quest ending was retconned into being the real ending so Vanny never appears in the DLC and a new character named Cassie gets possessed and becomes the new vanny so the real one is gone forever.
Could type girl be in HW2??
That little girl is not Vanny her name is Cassie and she is Gregory’s best friend ❤
I am aware. I just brought up Cassie in that image to make the point that the image had attention to detail.
To be fair though that is the weakest point of the theory anyway so it doesn't really matter anymore.
@@petrichor1987 it’s ok I just want let you know who the little girl is ❤️
@@megashark9495 I appreciate it :)
@@petrichor1987 your welcome ❤️
ar is canon, we literally see ar skins on arcades and 3 left bonnie hands on blob
no, scott said canon but in a different world only for novels, frights he called "from different parts of the canon"
tales he called "from the world of the newest games"
The AR thing is interesting. One thing to refute that would be to say that FNaF AR, like Help Wanted is likely a game in-universe. That would explain why the characters exist but they aren't physically real (If you're out here saying FNaF AR is real then you also have to explain the existence of multiple springtraps which isn't easy to do)
As for the blob having 3 Bonnie hands you're right but that doesn't mean that they're FNaF AR bonnie hands. In FNaF 1 alone we see that there are extra costumes in P&S. FNaF AR is not quite an open and shut case we're still needing to be careful with that one.
With Fazbear Frights your quote is accurate but that quote is written by Schoolastic, not Scott. This is also not to mention that "from different parts of the canon" does not attribute it to the continuity.
Finally with Tales, the "From the world of the newest games" was also written by Schoolastic for marketing but that doesn't matter because they revoked that statement and instead replaced it with a similar quote to the Fazbear Frights one being "from uncharted corners of his(Scott's) series' canon" I've got the books right in front of me bro ;)
I Understand if you still disagree though. My main point with canon in this video was to just make it clear that there are some aspects of canon that we are unsure about and unable to 100% confirm as congruent with the games. The basic idea was to get rid of most things from the lore that had questionable canonicity and try to construct a theory with what we know is 100% canon, that's all. I hope you enjoyed the video regardless :)
@@petrichor1987 in a world where there are sentient animatronics it shouldn't be surprising that a greedy company would recreate one of their most popular urban legends into multiple animatronics, there is also an unreleased email saying i think that the virus made the springtrap copies, also the emails state that these animatronics are real, with mentions that their casings are hard and that they take up physical space and that they are actual machines in the winter emails, in fnaf 1 only parts we see are the heads
@@ikaiju-eu9wn There is no such email to explain the springtrap copies. Regardless I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think I can be convinced on this one unfortunately.
I'd need some reference to the Fazbear Funtime Service in Security Breach or a future game in order to be convinced. Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I really like your theory and even though you said that this theory could not make sense or debunked, but I feel like there are some things that your theory could work for the story of FNAF SB Ruin DLC like when you say that there could be different versions of Vanny and not the same character could really work because in the Ruin DLC there are some details like there is Vanny name on a random wall as we the player go through the Ruin place and before Cassie talks to not the real Gregory we have a option to just look around the place but on another random wall the player just see a face Vanny, and when I saw that it reminds me of a very old theory from The Game Theorist about FNAF VR Help Wanted where he said something like Glitchtrap is trying to possessed and control more people so that he plan could work and if the the case I think could explain lot.
Sorry that this is very long to read.
ua-cam.com/video/BXeZbcFLhpE/v-deo.htmlsi=35QIpdCw6uGkdIP8 (from ReyToast) FNAF SB Ruin DLC
ua-cam.com/video/fLVyv7U0cX0/v-deo.htmlsi=WMjYgaULCvyz3oh2 (from The Game Theorists) FNAF VR Help Wanted Curse of Dreadbear DLC
The theory is almost certainly bunk, but a lot of the evidence you uncover during it really should be more widely accepted. Gregory being 46 makes next to 0 sense despite being 'confirmed' in the books. Yeah sure the games have next to zero confirmed story but much of the interpretation here is a lot less schizo than how most theorists would have you perceive it. Still don't think there are 2 Vannys, sorry, that's just mental. Maybe at one point a long time ago, but not anymore.
I'd love to be proven wrong though, because Vanny being Vanessa and that being all there is to it... That's just so dumb, it is literally insulting to my intelligence. Thankfully you point out that the line where Freddy outright calls out how similar the names are and how it's not a coincidence is really weird. Like no duh, you think? Mind you I don't believe it's evidence to the contrary, I just think it's horrific writing
Americans also say autumn
Oo
Vanessa
Vanny
this confirms patient 46 IS THE MIMIIIIC
Idk if this is the craziest mystery or the most hard to grasp, it's literally just Vanessa. I mean vanny literally stops existing when you save Vanessa. It's really not that deep bro.
This theory is just using obvious things one could’ve guessed way back when security breach came out.
I talked with Scott Cawthon.
Scott Cawthon did told me that was vanny but looks like twin his sister vanessa afton and Lily afton (wearing mask vanny)
Did you really talked to Mr Scott Cawthon? ,cuz it's kinda rare for Mr Scott to talk to his fan online after the backlash I'm pretty sure Mr Scott Cawthon is not going to online search on fnaf plus he is married pretty sure he wants time with his children which is actually heart warming ❤️❤️❤️
Oh shut up bro 😒 🙄 five nights at freddy's security breach security is amazing
Lol? What did I say?
Despite the discrepancies in Patient 46's CDs. 46 is Gregory through and through. The Tales books are canon to the games.
Dittophobia finally gives us a timeline when Sister Location happens. After Fnaf 1 when everyone thought it was before Fnaf 1. Dittophobia being canon to the games.
Agree to disagree ;)
tales is def canon, from explaining to how the mimic looked like burntrap, to who patient 46 is, to explaining the origins of glitchtrap. it's not difficult and there aren't even any holes@@petrichor1987
whos gonna tell him 💀 that aside good theory i never understood why people thought they were different people before