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Yes. Also Filch doesn't need to be a poltergeist, he's just a squib the Marauders made sure to include on their map because he's litterally the guy whose location they should be paying the most attention to at all times. And same with Mrs Norris
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie, thank you so much! I think it makes a lot of sense that mrs Norris was an animagus attempt gone wrong. I think she may have been filch wife
I’ve seen this theory somewhere else, too, but can’t quite remember where now. I THINK it was on a Potterhead Facebook fan page 📄, but I’m not sure 🤔 now . . . 😉
@@adde9506 Not necessarily. Remember there are some magical injuries/accidents which cannot be fixed, no matter how powerful you are, or with what kind of wand you have. Look at Neville’s parents or Lockhart’s memory loss or Bill’s werewolf scars or Harry’s own scar, for that matter. It didn’t go away, not even when Voldemort died. Also, why doesn’t Mrs. Norris have a 1st name?? She’s the only character who doesn’t if, I remember correctly. If she WAS Flitch’s girlfriend, her 1st name just can’t be “Mrs.”, can’t it?? 😅 Flitch is definitely hiding something that went horribly wrong with that cat 🐈⬛ , I think . . . 🤔
I think that another possibility is that, Mrs. Norris failed at becoming an animagus. If I remember correctly, one of the ways you know you failed is when you transformed into the animal, and cannot transform back.
That’s my theory too. She illegally tried to become an animagus and it went wrong. So she can’t turn back into an human. I think she was filch wife. Or the marauders can add things. Maybe when they created the map they made sure mrs Norris was on it because she helped filch find rule-breakers. They would need to know her whereabouts to keep from getting caught
I always thought of her as a maledictus that was once Filtch's wife and that is why she has lived so long and how they have such an amazing connection. Those tears Filtch shed when he thought she was dead weren't over losing a pet, it was over losing his wife. But forreal this time.
Your lacking such deep love for a pet doesn't mean others do. Pets are animals of another species, in your family, that you care for. Species is irrelevant to family. Humans are animals and are not more special than other creatures.
Mrs. Norris of Mansfield Park never got a first name either. We know her younger sisters' names (Maria and Frances), but not hers. I think it's just the fate of Mrs. Norrises. They never get a first name.
That's what I was thinking. If Mrs Norris was previously a witch who somehow turned into a cat, shouldn't she show up as 'Abigail Norris' or whatever her name was?
I love theories and everything like it. But when the author of a story says a cat is just a cat you have an answer. No need to try to find something that isn't there
@@tijmendewolf6674 Well, yeah, but keep in mind this is JK Rowling we're talking about here, the very same person who repeatedly described Hermione as white and then said she was black to gain brownie points. I'm not racist but c'mon Rowling, the only reason you did that was for clout. So yeah, I can't really take everything she says for truth 😉
@@tijmendewolf6674 Then by that logic, she shouldn't be on the map since animals don't show on the map. That doesn't make sense and has a right to be questioned among the many other things she's left plot holes in an otherwise great franchise.
@@nenebrat2389 I agree with there being a lot of plotholes. And theories are a great way to fill them in, however the author is a human and humans make mistakes. Many plotholes can be explained away in that fashion. I enjoy these videos a lot and some do hold ground (or however you say that in English) but some are looking for things that aren't there or are said to be false by the author. The entire Harry Potter universe is her creation and she is free to do with it as she pleases. If she needs a rat to not show up because that'd be weird, it doesn't show up. If a cat shows up, it's because she wanted it to. It doesn't have to mean anything else
To quote from the Carlin Brothers video about animagi: "even if you do everything correct, it can still go wrong, leaving you trapped as an animal". Is it possible that Mrs. Norris is a witch that messed up the animagus transformation?
I thought it was interesting how the 2 squibs we get of Mrs figg and filch have this odd relationship with cats and can seem to get them to do their bidding…coincidence?
It could be that cats are naturally sensitive creatures to magic and recognize in both the magical ancestry that they carry in their blood, even without these two being wizards or witches. Because if you think about it , from a Squib a wizard or witch can be born (even if they cant do magic they can father a magical being) ... and that most mean that squibs have unactivated magic in their blod, like a recesive gene 🤔 ... so is posible thats why cats stick to them in such a way.
It’s also possible that, while a squib can’t do full on wizard magic, they might still have some inherent/latent inactive magical ability that allows them to communicate with cats or other animals, without realizing it
Well mrs figg breeds cats that are pet kneazle meaning they’re much more intelligent so it’s likely filch got her from mrs figg in the first place. There’s a SCB video about how Crookshanks was originally the potters cat and I highly recommend it.
Don’t they say in The Crimes of Grindelwald that eventually Nagini will not just permanently take on the body of a snake but she will lose all sense of humanity? It definitely fits.
@@Dr.Cypher the real question is why does peeves show up on the map, when the ghosts don't. it the same reason why Mrs Norris shows up when the rest on the animals dont. they are part of Hogwarts.
The only problem I have is that she’s presented as “mrs. norris” on the map and everyone else is presented by first and last name. If she were a witch she’d have a first name
That is an EXTREMELY good point. She's not Mrs. Eileen Norris or Eileen Norris, she's just Mrs. Norris. And it's not only that everyone else has a first name, it' also that no one else has a title. Professor Snape is labeled Severus Snape. The Headmaster, Professor Albus Dumbledore is labeled Albus Dumbledore. If she's labeled because she's human or ex-human she's labeled with two exceptions to the naming scheme rules. So I think you're absolutely right. "Mrs. Norris," that exact phrase, is her exact name. The map also clearly doesn't do any fancy exact parsing of names. Dumbledore isn't even labeled Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, the map only does first Given name, Albus, and Family name, Dumbledore. Which means if the map was labeling her as a human, her Given name would have to actually be spelled "Mrs." instead of that being the conventional abbreviation for Mistress pronounced the conventional [Mis-iz] which sound isn't reasonably spelled Mrs. Even if Mrs. was the normal Mrs. and she's the exception to the rules, the map has to be ignoring the "Eileen" and have also updated her title from when she attended Hogwarts. So it had to keep track that she got married but not of her real name. ...I think you've actually debunked this one. Really good point.
This is the same thought I had. Just saw a comment saying the Marauders might have put her on the map intentionally bc they’d need to avoid Mrs Norris just as much as Filch
or maby it reeds in the book as MRS. Norris but you are seeing it from harrys point of view. wich means he could have read her full name and then thought of her as MRS. Norris because that is what he called her. its all about perspective.
And as I found in the wiki..... Mrs Arabella Doreen Figg was a Squib, a dealer of cross-bred cats and kneazles,[6] and a member of the Order of the Phoenix.[1] She lived on Wisteria Walk in Little Whinging, in a house that smelled strongly of cabbage; she also owned and extensively photographed at least four part-kneazle cats, named Tibbles, Snowy, Mr Paws, and Tufty. Proof that in universe, a cat can be named Mr/Mrs 'Something' ... good job
Didn't Harry's neighbor squib woman have a cat named Mr. something? Wasn't he implied to also be unusually competent. Wasn't he helping watch Harry at the beginning of Order? Is it a Squib thing? They attract weird animals? Something else?
I like the idea of squibs attracting vaguely magical creatures. Like imagine part of the usual quirks of being just touched by magic is a very vague kind of ESP that makes you aware of magical power. And squibs have an aura of magic, but are like a candle, or fireplace, vs a magical person being a roaring, open flame. So they’re less intimidating and seem more inviting, or like an equal for the creature that similarly doesn’t really have any powers, just a touch more sense and mind about it.
This gave me two interesting ideas: First, that there is some sort of magical creature we're not aware of that resembles a normal house cat but actually feeds off of the magical energy of someone and prevents them from using it, meaning they are the reason someone becomes a squib, and at some point they became acquainted with that creature, unaware it was the reason for their being a squib. Second, that because they are a magical person who is unable to make use of that magic, they give off a certain magical aura that gets absorbed by their pets to make them live longer/be more intelligent. Also I just thought of another version: that the unused magical potential comes together to form the animal itself, although I think people would be aware of this one, because they'd probably wonder where the cat came from.
@@TheLordofDarkness1995agreed, I wish more people would watch the video about that it’s my favorite theory. And it’s always wondered if mrs norris and crookshanks had run ins.
I agree with below that Mrs. Norris was included because she needed to be avoided. It’s also likely why she is specifically mentioned when viewing the map. Harry is never trying to avoid Hedwig or Crookshanks but he does need to avoid Mrs. Norris. Also also, I feel like people just assume that the map is super easy to read but I feel like with 400 dots concentrated in a small area that it isn’t necessarily easy to read everyone’s names moving around on the map.
I like the idea that she might be a maledictus. I like to think that she used to have a relationship or something with Filch (because he seems to be so fond of her), and maybe she was the reason he started to work at Hogwarts at the first place. Maybe she used to do his job, but then she felt like the permanent change was getting close, and she asked Dumbledore or whoever was the principal at that point to stay at Hogwarts after the change, and to accept Filch as sort of her caretaker, and the principal was kind enough to allow it, as well as she was probably so great at her job, he was willing to have a squib performing tasks manually while a wizard could have simply waved a wand, of it meant she would stay. Actually, maybe it was the principal's idea in the first place, if she was actually that good at her job.
That will not necessarily work, and for 2 reasons. 1. The students who are 17 and 18 years old have to fight, and 2. The Death Eaters might try to kill the students.
My personal opinion on the basilisk’s name: this might just be an assumption but I feel Salazar might be narcissistic enough to name it Salazar as well 😂
It definitely beats “Wiggins”. Though I’m more inclined to go with a Snake appropriate name of simply “Slytherin” (or would he name it at all? Did he care enough about the monster to name it) 🤔
@@JenniD1990 considering how important it was to play in his future plan of "purging the school of those he believed to be unworthy of attending" I believe he would have named it but I get your point about having it have a snake like name.I imagine it would be something elegant & intimidating
Honestly, i have a very simple theory. The Marauders were trouble makers and they created the map. They knew Filch (and his cat) were always out for trouble makers just like Fred & George. Therefore, when they created the map-they made sure it would locate both Filtch and the Cat so they could actively avoid both of them and continue their mischief. No other animals show up on the map, because no other animals were a threat to them, therefore they had no reason to make them show up on it. Simple and makes perfect sense. #Ravenclaw
Also, the marauders didn't actually know Filch until their 3rd year, and maybe wouldn't have known his reputation until their 4th (that is unlikely though) so the map would've been made after Filch is a staff at Hogwarts (or maybe he IS a poltergeist and therefore was always there).
the whole “filch is a poltergeist” has me thinking about occam’s razor. Wouldn’t it also just make sense that the marauders just personally assigned his name on the map? filch would’ve been caretaker for hogwarts in their later years at the school.
The one thing I find off however is that if the book and quill are filling the 'database' of the map then she wouldn't show up as "Mrs." Norris, she wasn't born like that and something must've added her to the list sans first name.
And likewise, the visiting students and professors from Beaubatons and Durmstrang wouldn't show up on the map either. Nor would anyone else who was never a student at Hogwarts.
@@PhilBagels The visting students from Durmstrang and Beaubatons would show up on the map, in the previous video they mentioned that the book records all names with enough magic to attend Hogwarts, regardless of whether they actually attend Hogwarts or not, the book still records their name because they are eligible for enrollment - on the Mrs. Norris front, the quote from the book refers to her as Mrs. Norris, but there is no visual of Mrs. Norris on the map for us to actually see - it would be a little strange to suddenly call her something other than Mrs. Norris for readers, but Harry could in probability have seen her first name on the map and just thought nothing of it - he knows who Mrs. Norris is, the cat having a first name wouldn't be that much of a shock
@@adde9506 that's a theory I read! Mrs Norris is Filch'a wife and that's why he's so protective over her. Obviously with this theory, they were wed before her transformation.
Along with hooking up their map to the book and quill, I have no doubt that the Marauders likely manually added Filch and Mrs. Norris. This gives a good explanation on why they would be on the map without being magical. Honestly, I love how great Filch and Norris are together, they have such a magical connection that it's ironic, because they're both non-magical.
Snape saw it yes, but it was opened by Lupin, who had then forgot to wipe it clean. He just left it open on the table, so technically map wason Lupin's sign in. :D
Or, maybe there’s a similar book with all the staff’s names so they can be okayed by the wards and the marauders hooked into that as well (or first, since it has fewer names and would make for a better prototype) and Dumbledore humored filch and added Norris to the list of staff so she’d be safe from any wards while they were wandering the grounds.
I consider y’all more canon than anything that comes out of J.K.’s Twitter. Just sayin... y’all’s theories are so much better than. “She’s just a cat.”
Theory on Marauders Map: 1. They used a very powerful Homonculous charm that reveals human souls (not just human beings) no matter the form they take (includes any transformations and the ghosts- explains why none of the house elves are on it, also I suspect Firenze wouldn’t have been on it, and if this is true once the Dementors kissed Barty Crouch Jr he no longer would’ve shown up on the map). It’s constantly updating while active, like a satellite showing heat signatures only it literally identifies people by their personal identities. (Sorry I don’t think they synced with the book/quill because I feel like once someone accepts education to wherever they choose to their name drops off the list. Why would a potential acceptance list for Hogwarts keep all that data stored indefinitely? Like once the letter is sent and the student shows up there’s no longer need for the ledger, if anything the most it would keep is the graduates in my opinion.) 2. Other magic was used to draw out the castle and grounds and it constantly updates to address moving staircases, new construction, plant growth, and Peeves because he is magically part of the magical structure of Hogwarts. Essentially if there was a place to stand, or an obstacle in the way when the Marauders made the map it was included, along with any spells needed to interact with the structure of Hogwarts, the only exceptions being the Chamber of Secrets because it was never encountered by the Marauders, and the room of requirement because it is ever changing and therefore basically a void space. 3. The Marauders have admin access to the map- so when one of them swears they’re “up to no good” it either recognizes them specifically (voice recognition) or possibly their wands specifically. So, when Snape sees Lupin going into the Womping Willow secret passage on the map, it’s because Lupin didn’t “log out of admin privileges”. Esp since the map doesn’t effect your eyes, like the twins say when explaining to Harry to always wipe it when you’re finished “otherwise anyone can read it”. As for Mrs Norris: I do believe that Mrs Norris was a witch, and that at some point she attended Hogwarts, and that something magical transformed her into a cat permanently, and that she retained her mind and human soul. My personal theory about how her and Filch interact is that she was an amazingly accomplished legilimens and that she retained the ability as a cat. With her bond to Filch being so strong, and his full trust in her plus absolutely no defense she essentially has a telepathic connection directly with him. A skilled Occlumens could block her reading their mind, but honestly who’s going to think to defend against a cat? It explains their uncanny communication, and why Filch tends to know things a bit too specifically. Also, because of this ability she can sense thoughts in close proximity, similar to an empath sensing emotions. So when she approaches someone in an invisibility cloak because she’s also got heightened cat hunting senses and heard a rustle, she doesn’t see through the cloak but she hears the whispers of thought near her, she concentrates and hears student thoughts but can’t see them, not long after they hear Filch nearby searching with her for who the thoughts are coming from. And to tie up the final loose end- Mrs Norris has fully embraced her name, possibly because she’s forgotten her previous human name, or because Filch named her before she trusted him enough to reveal that she was more than a cat, and like so many cats when she fully trusted and accepted Filch, adopting him as her pet, she also accepted the cute name he had picked for her. Either way it’s how she identifies herself now, so that’s how the map sees her. It shows the truth, and that is truly her name now. I would even go so far as to point out the whole senior/junior thing with the Barty Crouches- when Barty Crouch introduces himself, or the way they identity when having an internal conversation, does he add Senior or Junior to his name, no, the father might introduce his son as Junior but without the other in the conversation there’s no need. So I think the names are displayed by how the person identifies themself not how any kind of ledger or census would write their name, otherwise why only first and last names, why no middle name or initials? Cuz Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore would be an extra long name tag lol
@@sheriburke8276 his full name is Argus Filch. It's been established that Mrs Norris is not part Kneazle, and even if she isn't a Maledictus we've got a lot of other possible reasons for someone to be somehow transformed into an animal and possibly be stuck that way. Now that it's back in my mind, I'm not certain there's proof that Mrs. Norris isn't an Animagus. If Peter Petigrew could disguise himself as a rat for over 10 years without getting caught who knows? Oh new idea!: Mrs Norris was a witch, who had a cat named Argus, somehow she swapped species and so her cat turned (non-magical)human and she turned cat! Maybe because she was trying to read her cat's mind? So now they can read each other's minds (so ya know, the spell sort of worked?) But the unexpected side effect was they swapped species and either they know they'll get in way too much trouble to try and get someone else to undo the spell, it's unbreakable, or the swap requires the human side to be able to perform the spell the reverse it and Filch is unable to. Or MAYBE the swap was intentional! Maybe Mrs Norris was like "Goodness cats have a great life, they get fed, and petted, and get to nap all day, and they're cute and agile little ninjas, gosh I wish I were a cat." I mean what cat owner hasn't thought about switching places with their furry overlord? ;)
Omgsh, just rewatched the video that they referenced in this one "what's up with filch..." (the one they link to in this video) and when J goes over what Dumbledore says at the feast, and he says "... I'm told for the 400+ time, that magic isn't allowed in the corridors...." WHAT IF THAT'S PROOF THAT FILCH IS THE OTHER HALF OF PEEVES AND ALSO A POLTERGEIST!? What if Filch only asks the headmaster to make that announcement once a year, or even if it's every school semester/ quarter, he'd be 100+years old which he does not look like. Not to mention his comment about detention, and hanging students in the dungeons, and how he "missed the screams" (I think that was only in the movies, in the books though he says ge keeps the shackles well oiled in his office in case he's ever given permission to use them again), but anyways what if that's further proof because I feel like that kind of discipline probably hasn't been around for quite some time, so if he can remember the screams, if he was around then, then maybe he doesn't age. Maybe he's been there so long he doesn't remember that he's a poltergeist, hence the ordering or borrowing the thing for squibs because that's the only explanation as to why he's there but can't do any magic.
I have a different theory: J.K.Rowling included different items and concepts, such as the Marauder's Map or a caretaker with an eerily intelligent cat, because she thought they sounded magical/whimsical/intriguing and fit well into the magical world she envisioned. They were never really made to make perfect logical sense, not by themselves (e.g. why the Marauder's Map works the way it does) nor between different items/concepts (e.g. why Mrs. Norris appears on the map but other animals don't) I also believe some of Rowling's later amendments and Pottermore/Wizarding World articles were her attempt at fixing some plotholes (be they real or perceived) or further explain concepts that had been left more vague in the books. Many of those did a poor job imho, because they were far too rational, at least compared to how the books were written. Many ideas in the book weren't that logical at a closer look, but they felt right. The magic world in the books was charming exactly because it was not as dreary and rational as the Muggle world. All of this charm vanishes when you later add how Muggle plumbing was a late installment in Hogwarts (which conveniently glosses over how the pipes are connected to the Chamber of Secrets without anyone noticing the giant effing snake) and that until this point the students just did their business wherever (dude, why not use chamberpots then... or outhouses).
Magic chamber pots! When someone was finished it vanishes for you, unless the teachers are teaching vanishing spells to every student upon arrival you’re gonna have some accidents, not to mention anyone having trouble learning said spell is going to be a mess until they get it down, it’d be like potty training 11 year olds all over again, Hogwarts is a castle for crying out loud why wouldn’t they have similar options to a muggle castle? Even before the book I’d say it was pretty obvious that ‘Everyone Poops’ and when brilliant magic users build a castle that runs on slave labor for cleaning etc that they’d have thought about where people were gonna do their business when they’re at the top of a massive tower and the stair cases move.
Yeah, the plumbing was a dumb one. What about first-years and even worse: first-year Muggle-borns? How would they know how to make the "evidence" disappear?
I always assumed that when plumbing was added later, the heir of Slytherin simply added a pipe to the Chamber. Or maybe it Was that ambitious Slytherin who suggested adding pipes in the first place.
On Wizarding World/Pottermore I believe the map uses a ‘homonoculus charm’ - but even if it’s not sourced from the book and quill it would still reveal Mrs Norris to be a maledictus as presumably other pets don’t show up?
I'd prefer that she would not be problematic and we could user her name bc even tho it is quite amusing that she was the one who invented He Who Must Not Be Named and now we are calling her that, unfortunately, it is bc she is transphobic :( but i do get what you mean
What is coming full circle is that some people treat Rowling like she's a Parselmouth because of one tweet which can be read in different contexts while at the same time neglecting that she created a whole literary universe that literally oozes with Christian symbolism for love. If one really chooses to judge a person on their writing alone, then one may also be encouraged to consider more closely the parts that do not necessarily support one's own stance.
@@jacquelineellis3951 By supporting her work, you support her. Anything HP related that you buy will support her because It's her world and her characters. If it doesn't support her then it's copyright theft.
Harry being the amazing pet parent that he is would most definitely spend some time checking to see what Hedwing was up to if he could see her on the map like we would all do with our pets!
I wrote a fanfic about how Mr Norris is a maladictus. It was about before she completely turned and she would babysit Filch Because his mother would randomly drop him off because she resented him for being a squib
I didn't know where to ask this question so here goes: Wizards are said to live longer than humans by about 100 years. What about muggle born wizards? Would ron greatly outlive hermione or does the magic keep her alive longer. Is this what the pure bloods are so fanatic about?
This is pure head canon, but: being pureblood does not make you a more powerful being whatsoever. And as such the longer lifespan is part of the magic gene you need to be a wizard at all. Besides, magical healing has more to offer and can remedy illnesses and maladies much better. Helps with being strong and healthy much longer. This is available to both half and pure bloods equally.
Having said that.. James Potter was 21 when he died, so when we meet Snape, Sirius, Pettigrew and Lupin, they’re only about 34.. yet all their parents are already dead, so too are Lily’s parents (though, not wizards), most likely the Weasley’s parents (given only their great aunt came to the wedding), and appears Narcissa’s parents and Lucius parents (seeing as they live in the family manor).. so, unless all their parents had them when they were very old.. that’s an awful lot of wizards and witches that must have died quite young.. the only people you really meet that are in that generation are Neville’s grandmother, Albus and Aberforth, weasleys great aunt and Doge.. so even though it’s said Wizards do live older than humans, the evidence in the books is that most die young!
Having said that.. James Potter was 21 when he died, so when we meet Snape, Sirius, Pettigrew and Lupin, they’re only about 34.. yet all their parents are already dead, so too are Lily’s parents (though, not wizards), most likely the Weasley’s parents (given only their great aunt came to the wedding), and appears Narcissa’s parents and Lucius parents (seeing as they live in the family manor).. so, unless all their parents had them when they were very old.. that’s an awful lot of wizards and witches that must have died quite young.. the only people you really meet that are in that generation are Neville’s grandmother, Albus and Aberforth, weasleys great aunt and Doge.. so even though it’s said Wizards do live older than humans, the evidence in the books is that most die young!
@@clselwood don't you know about the great wizarding war? It happened around the same time as WW2 and was fought between wizards and muggles. The wizards died in huge numbers and were forced to live in secrecy hence the statute of secrecy. I think fantastic beasts series will elaborate on that so we can only wait.
I remember learning somewhere that when a maledictus gradually loses the ability to come back to her human form, she's also losing the ability to think like a human. In other words, she fully becomes the animal she's cursed to be.
Every time I go into one of you guy’s videos, I’m always thinking “no way this could work”. And yet again I’m proven wrong, everything you said makes so much sense.
It makes way more sense that she’s a poltergeist if she got petrified instead of dying because cats have very good senses. If a giant snake were coming up on her she would look directly at it, not stare at a puddle.
At the same time, if she was previously human, she would've probably had some education. If she is aware of the basilisk, she wouldn't look directly at it if she detects something coming
I always has taught that Mrs Norris was an odd cat and after discovering what Maledictus is, Mrs Norris matches that description so well and it would make soo much senseeeee
Honestly my old head canon was always that Mrs. Norris was likely an animagus related to Filch. Someone who actually kept Filch safe from the students since, as a Squib, he could only ever do so much to enforce the rules. Sort of like Neville's doting grandma, if she had found a way to come to school with Neville. Admittedly, back then Maledictus hadn't been invented yet so this also works.
10:54 I've been wondering about this for years - how did they revive Nick from being petrified? You can't give a ghost whatever potion they made from the Mandrakes. Also, according to the wiki, the Map tracks people because it's enchanted to show the people within its borders (it's called a Homonculous Charm), which I'm guessing means it would be able to show Muggles and Squibs.
Indeed. And now you mention it, their hypothesis about the map getting the names from the book of admittance is maybe wrong; professor McGonagall would have been named by her maiden name
@@edopronk1303 do we know for sure that the names don't update in the book? like if it can track people in real time surely it can update chosen/changed names??
Hope we get Mrs Norris’s backstory in Fantastic Beasts. She is clearly Filch’s witch girlfriend who was a Maledictus so turned into a cat for all time. But he still loves her. So it’s tragic but kind of romantic. She attended Hogwarts. Norris is her surname. She’s Muggle born.
Couldn't the map just be using the homenem revelio spell? They never really show how that spell works but it's job is to identify people in a building.
That's probably a part of the total enchantment on the map (one of many), but it shouldn't work even in an unplottable building. I think they somehow tied the map's functions into the magic of Hogwarts itself. The entire castle itself isn't just enchanted, it's inherently magical; I think they tapped into that.
Remind me again: are maledictus long-lived? Or do they have the lifespan of the animal they turn into? And if they have a human lifespan, what would happen to Voldey's soul when Nigini dies?
My theory was always that if they die, the soul piece dies along with it, if it is in a living creature. I always thought that that was why it was so dangerous
I would assume maledictus have human lifespans at least since the average lifespan of snakes similar to Nagini is about 20 years. She is approximately 80+ years old when she gets killed so unless her curse didn't activate until she was over 60 she outlived the expected lifespan of a snake. As for what happens to the horcrux, I would expect if she died of old age her corpse would still be a horcrux.
Ben alluded to an interesting idea in “How to Become an Animagus” - that if you failed your spell, then there was the possibility of remaining in your animal form forever, then mentioned Crookshanks. Wouldn’t this be the most obvious answer for Mrs. Norris?
Filch likely accidentally turned his wife/girlfriend at the time into a cat. He was not talented enough to tur her back...The reason "'He had a boggart in his file cabinet." Boggarts will drain a wizard of his powers over time if not eradicated from the premises. So as Filch tried and tried and tried to "Fix" Mrs.Norris he eventually gave up and resorted to self help books never knowing the REAL REASON he was "squibbed" so to speak. She remained devoted and they kept being the odd couple of buddies they always were for as like Nagini she likely could NEVER turn back over time...the longer she was a cat the more like a cat she was. That is my guess. Now I will watch the video and see what they think.
Wait, what would happen if a Maledictus were to become an Animagi? Would that speed up their transformation to a Maledictus, or spare them from that fate? Would they even be capable of doing the ritual?
I mean, the real answer is that it didn’t occur to Rowling that Ms. Norris shouldn’t show up on the map since she’s an animal, and I doubt she had come up with the idea of a maledictus by book three of the series, considering that Nagini is not treated like a person in the books at all. However, this theory is more fun.
its not bad if it had no explanation at the time of writing, can always add later as long as it doesnt contradict. thats basicly what SCB are doing here. thinking of a reason within the lore to explain this issue.
I think it’s worth another look into why Peter isn’t recognized on the map, because in prisoner of Azkaban Snape (essentially the marauders enemy #1) was able to see lupin going through the tunnel to the shrieking shack. I’d love to hear another theory!
I think he would have seen Peter show up on the map. But the Shrieking Shack is out of bounds and not part of the map. He only saw Lupin go down the tunnel.
It likely takes a specific spell and the ongoing maintenance of that spell to stay hidden on the map. Peter and Lupin likely just screwed up a few times.
@@VJK102 harry did see him. If there's a spell that allows the marauders to hide themselves, peter likely just messed it up, likely due to being harassed by crookshanks
Me and my sister have always had a theory that Mrs. Norris used to be human in some capacity, and she was Filch’s lover, and that’s why he adores her so much
I hate to break Seamus's theory about the Marauders showing up on the map, but Snape says that he sees Lupin on the map in PoA. I loved the theory as much as you did, but then I read that and... yeah.
I think the even easier explanation is that the twins never take a serious look at the bedrooms in gryffindor tower when using the map, because they definitely had something better to do, when they used it, as they would probably look at their direct environment, to look out for any people which might caught them doing mischief.
Yea I said the same thing before reading your comment. I think a better explanation for why Fred and George do not see Peter sleeping in the same bed as Ron is as simple as the names being too crammed on the map to distinguish from each other when in the common room. The castle + grounds is huge and the map, although relatively big is still a piece of parchment and the common room and the dorms would be even tinier on the map (imagine like 1/100th the area of the whole castle + its grounds and therefore of the piece of parchment too). With around 60 students in one house (a very conservative number), being in the same general vicinity after classes or at bed time, it must be difficult to distinguish each and every name on the map. It doesn't help that the map writes the full names of everyone either. Also, there is no mention that you can zoom in on any location on the map either. I don't know why people come up with such extensive theories when there is a simple explanation which makes more sense.
@@RosieRosieCool Only in the movies though, and the movies aren't canon (i know that the person who said that also said that the Cursed Child is canon, but it's either the book are canon or the movies, and the books make more sense)
@@pigi1004 I stand corrected. I would have sworn that it happened in the books as well. But true, in the books Lupin tells Harry that he saw Peter on the map. And yes Cursed Child is not cannon.
Here's a question I've had ever since reading/watching CoS: how did they "apply" the depetrification potion to nick? Liquid would simply pass right through him, right?
@Furry puffskein harry saw peter on the map in the MOVIES not books. it’s not canon. and for why rita skeeter showed up, she is a witch, so she probably went to hogwarts at some point.
Or a simple explanation: the marauders specifically added Filch & Mrs Norris manually because they were hallmonitors who could get them in trouble😅😅😅 so knowing their locations is very useful to the mischievous... since they wouldn't show up naturally in the book of admittance... so needed to be manually included in the charms or spells used to create the marauders map
@@PixlyPenguin It's a flerken that gives Nick Fury his scarred eye. Flerken is an alien that can appear to be a cat, but is actually horrifying and strong with long tentacles.
@@stuartmcnaughton1495 it doesn't matter if she attended because the book and quill will record ANY magical person, not just those who go to hogwarts. The difference is Nagini was a human woman who turned into a maledictus (I didn't watch CoG so I'm assuming based on info in this vid) and the theory states Mrs Norris was a witch turned male maledictus.
This theory makes perfect sense to me. I'm betting she did Filch's job before she permanently changed. If Filch really is a poltergeist, then he would have been created largely from her work as caretaker. He would have felt a strong bond with her (just like he did with Umbridge). He would know how to do all the things she did, and would have continued her 'noble work' in honor of her.
Definitely an easy solution. If they were able to remove themselves from the Map, I can imagine them being able to add Filch and Mrs. Norris specifically. It doesn't immediately disprove the theory, but it unfortunately does weaken it a bit, since the logic banks on the impossibility of them showing up on it to begin with. Honestly, I can think of several reasonable explanations for how the map works that avoid this problem completely, including one with direct evidence from Pottermore. (I can explain if anyone asks me to, but I'm already getting ranty and I wanna quit while I'm ahead)
Possibly. I mean the Mauraders would want to know where Filch and Mrs. Norris is so they could be up to no good without the worry of being caught. That said, she still seems to be more than just an average cat.
Someone else has mentioned that the timeframe wouldn’t work because Mrs Norris shouldn’t have been there when the Marauders attended school in the 70’s, and if somehow she was there then it points to her being definitely magical because typical cats don’t live well past 20 years
I like to imagine Salazar named his snake Fluffy. Originally it didn’t have a name, but someone asked and he gave a sarcastic answer and stuck with it.
For people who have been permanently transformed into animals (be it Nagini or Mrs. Norris) I think it’s a bit like Eustace in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Narnia not Harry Potter but bear with me). That is, although their human mind remains intact, their instincts and whims are those of the animal they’ve been cursed into. So although they might be aware, say, eating mice is gross and eating people is wrong, they’re animal instincts crave the nutrition that their animal bodies would normally eat. So like, Mrs. Norris instinctively acting like a cat but reasoning like a human leads to things like slinking around getting students in trouble (cat instincts and human logic on same page) while also getting distracted by all the owls flying around (cat instincts and human reasoning in conflict)
Here's the thing , though: I thought the Book and Quill just noted down potential Hogwarts students, what about Wizards who did attend another school or no school at all?
The marauders literally made the map so it would help them to get way with stuff, therefore Mrs. Norris is exactly the kind of person (?) who they would have made sure appeared in it.
On the whole Peter Pettigrew conundrum: I use to believe Seamus theory that Marauders only only show up to each other until I reread Prisoner of Azkaban last year and realised that Snape saw Lupin on the map at the end of the story when he brought Wolfsbane potion to him, so wouldn't that mean that others could also see the Marauders on the map? (Unless I'm completely misremembering things)
The Marauders can hide themselves, but they have to cast a spell and maintain that spell. Lupin probably forgot to. Or he never did in the first place. Peter likely had the spell going the entire time and only wasn't using it because he was too busy running away from Crookshanks and Sirius.
According to the Pottermore article abt the book and quill, no student has ever seen them in the history of the school, so how would the marauders know about it to forge the connection between them and the map?
On the marauders map, the school might simply keep updated lists on attendance, faculty and guests. Every real school knows every student, faculty member and visitor by their full name, so it would make sense Hogwarts would too. Seems unlikely the marauders would have had the skill, time and the resources to create such lists let alone find a way to keep them updated, not to mention connect it to a map that knows not only where people are but who they are. In the Prisoner of Azkaban "I doubt whether any Hogwarts students ever found out more about the Hogwarts grounds and Hogsmeade than we did... And that’s how we came to write the Marauder’s Map, and sign it with our nicknames. Sirius is Padfoot. Peter is Wormtail. James was Prongs.” Lupin takes credit for the marauders for creating the map. They were constantly getting in trouble, and going where they weren't supposed to, they might have stumbled upon the lists. The marauders could have created the map, and connected it to the lists the school was keeping. The school itself has magic, and a level of sentience. It prevented Umbridge from entering the headmaster's office, that would imply the school itself not only knew where everyone was, but also who they were. Instead of creating all the magic themselves the marauders could have found a way to visualise that function of the school. They "just" created an interface, the school and the founders' magic does the rest.
Putting aside the Poltergeist theory, Filch is part of the Hogwarts staff, so he'd be in some registry the map could source it's data from. I doubt such a thing would be done for animals, so the theory still holds.
In the Deathly Hollows part 1, when the trio arrives at the Grimmauld place, Nr 12., Hermione casts a spell to reveal any humans inside, and although in that particular occasion there is none, I guess the map is using some kind of simillar Magic, to reveal any human (hidden or not) on the map with their name. That would explain misis Norris being a maledictus, because while in an everlasting animal form, she is still a human (and a witch, of course), so her name shows on the map. That is my theory about misis Norris... 🤔
Wait a sec, why *didn't* the twins go investigate the third-floor corridor, to see whatever it was they weren't supposed to get into? Regardless of seeing Fluffy on the map or not, what self-respecting pair of troublemakers wouldn't want to know what thing they were specifically being told not to go look at?
I believe she is a maledictus for the question about her acting like a human Mrs Norris probably is still in control of human impulses she had as human however she sometimes gives into her instincts that she now owns. So yes she has the intelligence of a human but gives into her instincts from time to time
Would she have been admitted as “Mrs Norris” to hogwarts though? If I remember right, all of the teachers’ full names show up on the map. In this case, her first name wouldn’t, and the map will know she had been married and possibly changed her name? Too inconsistent for me... cool thought though!
I was thinking that the map only shows the names of people you know. It would make sense why Fred and George never saw Peter Pettigrew on the map. And Harry doesn’t notice the name until after he learns about him. I also think that it only shows the names of people as you know them. But I think either the map only presents people as you know them or Mrs. Norris is in fact a poltergeist.
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My theory: the marauders specifically included Mrs. Norris because avoiding her was just as important as avoiding Filch
I like it. My question, is how'd the marauders make the map, if the only parchment is used for homework?
In that case this cat is at least 20 years old. Weird in itself.
Yes. Also Filch doesn't need to be a poltergeist, he's just a squib the Marauders made sure to include on their map because he's litterally the guy whose location they should be paying the most attention to at all times. And same with Mrs Norris
@@davidmccarthy4206 I couldn’t agree more
@@ЖаннаКалишевич yes, but no, maybe in hogwarts animals do not age at a normal rate... then again, out oldest cat was 15 when she died
Maybe she trIed to illegally become Animagus and it went wrong, she now can’t turn back into an human
I really like that theory, actually. 😊
@@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie, thank you so much! I think it makes a lot of sense that mrs Norris was an animagus attempt gone wrong. I think she may have been filch wife
I’ve seen this theory somewhere else, too, but can’t quite remember where now. I THINK it was on a Potterhead Facebook fan page 📄, but I’m not sure 🤔 now . . . 😉
I would think that Dumbledore would happily both fix that and cover it up.
@@adde9506 Not necessarily. Remember there are some magical injuries/accidents which cannot be fixed, no matter how powerful you are, or with what kind of wand you have. Look at Neville’s parents or Lockhart’s memory loss or Bill’s werewolf scars or Harry’s own scar, for that matter. It didn’t go away, not even when Voldemort died. Also, why doesn’t Mrs. Norris have a 1st name?? She’s the only character who doesn’t if, I remember correctly. If she WAS Flitch’s girlfriend, her 1st name just can’t be “Mrs.”, can’t it?? 😅 Flitch is definitely hiding something that went horribly wrong with that cat 🐈⬛ , I think . . . 🤔
I think that another possibility is that, Mrs. Norris failed at becoming an animagus. If I remember correctly, one of the ways you know you failed is when you transformed into the animal, and cannot transform back.
That’s my theory too. She illegally tried to become an animagus and it went wrong. So she can’t turn back into an human. I think she was filch wife. Or the marauders can add things. Maybe when they created the map they made sure mrs Norris was on it because she helped filch find rule-breakers. They would need to know her whereabouts to keep from getting caught
@@tristinwright7774 makes sense to me
My thoughts exactly.
But is her mind a human or a feral cat?
@@EspeonMistress00 something in between?
I always thought of her as a maledictus that was once Filtch's wife and that is why she has lived so long and how they have such an amazing connection. Those tears Filtch shed when he thought she was dead weren't over losing a pet, it was over losing his wife. But forreal this time.
*furreal 😂
Oh!!! I like this theory.
I thought the same
I thought the same too
Your lacking such deep love for a pet doesn't mean others do. Pets are animals of another species, in your family, that you care for. Species is irrelevant to family. Humans are animals and are not more special than other creatures.
J: Voldy can speak to nagini because he is a parslemouth
Me: Then Filch can probably speak cattermouth
😆
Miaomouth!
Felinismouth?
I am imagining Filch meowing on top of his lungs in the hallways and stairways.
Pawselmouth.
Mrs. Norris is also the only being to show up on the Marauders Map with no first name, only a title.
Which would make sense if she's actually just a cat named Mrs. Norris
Perhaps her first name is "Mrs"?
In this case "Mrs." isn't a title, it is a part of her name. The name is "Mrs. Norris". She is not the wife of a man whose last name is Norris.
Mrs. Norris of Mansfield Park never got a first name either. We know her younger sisters' names (Maria and Frances), but not hers. I think it's just the fate of Mrs. Norrises. They never get a first name.
That's what I was thinking. If Mrs Norris was previously a witch who somehow turned into a cat, shouldn't she show up as 'Abigail Norris' or whatever her name was?
JKR: Mrs. Norris is a normal annoying cat
SCB and Seamus Gorman: No
More like - Everyone: No
I love theories and everything like it. But when the author of a story says a cat is just a cat you have an answer. No need to try to find something that isn't there
@@tijmendewolf6674 Well, yeah, but keep in mind this is JK Rowling we're talking about here, the very same person who repeatedly described Hermione as white and then said she was black to gain brownie points. I'm not racist but c'mon Rowling, the only reason you did that was for clout. So yeah, I can't really take everything she says for truth 😉
@@tijmendewolf6674 Then by that logic, she shouldn't be on the map since animals don't show on the map. That doesn't make sense and has a right to be questioned among the many other things she's left plot holes in an otherwise great franchise.
@@nenebrat2389 I agree with there being a lot of plotholes. And theories are a great way to fill them in, however the author is a human and humans make mistakes. Many plotholes can be explained away in that fashion. I enjoy these videos a lot and some do hold ground (or however you say that in English) but some are looking for things that aren't there or are said to be false by the author. The entire Harry Potter universe is her creation and she is free to do with it as she pleases. If she needs a rat to not show up because that'd be weird, it doesn't show up. If a cat shows up, it's because she wanted it to. It doesn't have to mean anything else
To quote from the Carlin Brothers video about animagi: "even if you do everything correct, it can still go wrong, leaving you trapped as an animal". Is it possible that Mrs. Norris is a witch that messed up the animagus transformation?
WOAH YES
Ooooooh makes sense!
My thoughts exactly
This is exactly what I thought
Makes a kind of sense
I thought it was interesting how the 2 squibs we get of Mrs figg and filch have this odd relationship with cats and can seem to get them to do their bidding…coincidence?
It could be that cats are naturally sensitive creatures to magic and recognize in both the magical ancestry that they carry in their blood, even without these two being wizards or witches. Because if you think about it , from a Squib a wizard or witch can be born (even if they cant do magic they can father a magical being) ... and that most mean that squibs have unactivated magic in their blod, like a recesive gene 🤔 ... so is posible thats why cats stick to them in such a way.
It’s also possible that, while a squib can’t do full on wizard magic, they might still have some inherent/latent inactive magical ability that allows them to communicate with cats or other animals, without realizing it
Aren’t Mrs. Figgs cats part kneazle?
Well mrs figg breeds cats that are pet kneazle meaning they’re much more intelligent so it’s likely filch got her from mrs figg in the first place. There’s a SCB video about how Crookshanks was originally the potters cat and I highly recommend it.
They also have the same initials; AF. Maybe they are biologically related
Don’t they say in The Crimes of Grindelwald that eventually Nagini will not just permanently take on the body of a snake but she will lose all sense of humanity? It definitely fits.
THIS is the kind of thing that should be confirmed on pottermore
No because it’s simply not true, JKR commented on this a long time ago
Couldn't agree more.
Pottermore clearly needs to focus more on wizarding bathroom questions
@@sit-insforsithis1568 what was her comment
@@Dr.Cypher the real question is why does peeves show up on the map, when the ghosts don't.
it the same reason why Mrs Norris shows up when the rest on the animals dont.
they are part of Hogwarts.
The only problem I have is that she’s presented as “mrs. norris” on the map and everyone else is presented by first and last name. If she were a witch she’d have a first name
That is an EXTREMELY good point. She's not Mrs. Eileen Norris or Eileen Norris, she's just Mrs. Norris. And it's not only that everyone else has a first name, it' also that no one else has a title. Professor Snape is labeled Severus Snape. The Headmaster, Professor Albus Dumbledore is labeled Albus Dumbledore. If she's labeled because she's human or ex-human she's labeled with two exceptions to the naming scheme rules. So I think you're absolutely right. "Mrs. Norris," that exact phrase, is her exact name. The map also clearly doesn't do any fancy exact parsing of names. Dumbledore isn't even labeled Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, the map only does first Given name, Albus, and Family name, Dumbledore. Which means if the map was labeling her as a human, her Given name would have to actually be spelled "Mrs." instead of that being the conventional abbreviation for Mistress pronounced the conventional [Mis-iz] which sound isn't reasonably spelled Mrs. Even if Mrs. was the normal Mrs. and she's the exception to the rules, the map has to be ignoring the "Eileen" and have also updated her title from when she attended Hogwarts. So it had to keep track that she got married but not of her real name. ...I think you've actually debunked this one. Really good point.
I just made a similiar comment before seeing yours - totes on the same wavelength!
This is the same thought I had. Just saw a comment saying the Marauders might have put her on the map intentionally bc they’d need to avoid Mrs Norris just as much as Filch
or maby it reeds in the book as MRS. Norris but you are seeing it from harrys point of view. wich means he could have read her full name and then thought of her as MRS. Norris because that is what he called her. its all about perspective.
And as I found in the wiki.....
Mrs Arabella Doreen Figg was a Squib, a dealer of cross-bred cats and kneazles,[6] and a member of the Order of the Phoenix.[1] She lived on Wisteria Walk in Little Whinging, in a house that smelled strongly of cabbage; she also owned and extensively photographed at least four part-kneazle cats, named Tibbles, Snowy, Mr Paws, and Tufty.
Proof that in universe, a cat can be named Mr/Mrs 'Something' ... good job
Didn't Harry's neighbor squib woman have a cat named Mr. something? Wasn't he implied to also be unusually competent. Wasn't he helping watch Harry at the beginning of Order? Is it a Squib thing? They attract weird animals? Something else?
I like the idea of squibs attracting vaguely magical creatures. Like imagine part of the usual quirks of being just touched by magic is a very vague kind of ESP that makes you aware of magical power.
And squibs have an aura of magic, but are like a candle, or fireplace, vs a magical person being a roaring, open flame. So they’re less intimidating and seem more inviting, or like an equal for the creature that similarly doesn’t really have any powers, just a touch more sense and mind about it.
@@JustinTK416 That's a really nice idea.
Mrs Figg breeds part Kneazle cats. So all of her cats would be significantly smarter than normal cats.
This gave me two interesting ideas: First, that there is some sort of magical creature we're not aware of that resembles a normal house cat but actually feeds off of the magical energy of someone and prevents them from using it, meaning they are the reason someone becomes a squib, and at some point they became acquainted with that creature, unaware it was the reason for their being a squib. Second, that because they are a magical person who is unable to make use of that magic, they give off a certain magical aura that gets absorbed by their pets to make them live longer/be more intelligent.
Also I just thought of another version: that the unused magical potential comes together to form the animal itself, although I think people would be aware of this one, because they'd probably wonder where the cat came from.
@@TheLordofDarkness1995agreed, I wish more people would watch the video about that it’s my favorite theory. And it’s always wondered if mrs norris and crookshanks had run ins.
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I love the confidence in "SOLVED"
Its the only thing that makes sense!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers *It's
Also, the description should say "of Mrs. Norris" and there's a second space at the start of the last sentence.
Got ‘em
@@Ranger1812 How is that relevant?
@@Ranger1812 your knot really gunna correct there spelling, are you? Thats really unrespectful and I dont think They caire.
I would totally watch a movie about the Weasley twins investigating a weird kid named Wiggins who lives in the walls.
That movie would be awesome
I would too, cool nerd iii.
Can someone explain the joke behind ‘wiggins’ please
@@rachelscott8370 That's the name they gave to the Basilisk in this video.
@@coolnerdlll6053 yes, but why 'Wiggins' in particular? Because snakes wiggle?
OR Mrs Norris was important enough of an animal for the Marauders to intentionally include because they were also always trying to avoid her as well.
I agree with below that Mrs. Norris was included because she needed to be avoided. It’s also likely why she is specifically mentioned when viewing the map. Harry is never trying to avoid Hedwig or Crookshanks but he does need to avoid Mrs. Norris. Also also, I feel like people just assume that the map is super easy to read but I feel like with 400 dots concentrated in a small area that it isn’t necessarily easy to read everyone’s names moving around on the map.
I like the idea that she might be a maledictus. I like to think that she used to have a relationship or something with Filch (because he seems to be so fond of her), and maybe she was the reason he started to work at Hogwarts at the first place. Maybe she used to do his job, but then she felt like the permanent change was getting close, and she asked Dumbledore or whoever was the principal at that point to stay at Hogwarts after the change, and to accept Filch as sort of her caretaker, and the principal was kind enough to allow it, as well as she was probably so great at her job, he was willing to have a squib performing tasks manually while a wizard could have simply waved a wand, of it meant she would stay. Actually, maybe it was the principal's idea in the first place, if she was actually that good at her job.
Mrs Norris and Filch to the students during the battle of Hogwarts: You’re out of bed, this is breaking curfew! Detention for everyone!
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That will not necessarily work, and for 2 reasons. 1. The students who are 17 and 18 years old have to fight, and 2. The Death Eaters might try to kill the students.
@@jacquelinemueller7221 did you watch the movie?
@@SeanNg__n don't you mean, did you read the book? The book is what most peeps are going off of
@@jades_cabinet yeah but i dont remember the exact line in the books but i remember that something like this happenned in the movie
If you gotta be a maledictus, I'd rather be a cat than most other animals.
You can run into the woods and find a clan
@@MANGLORIOUS You can have the humans worship you
Imagine all of that sleep you’ll have💆🏻♂️
@@rizkijanurdi139 there’s no rest when you’ve got a clan to feed
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 rather be a warrior than a kittypet
My personal opinion on the basilisk’s name: this might just be an assumption but I feel Salazar might be narcissistic enough to name it Salazar as well 😂
It definitely beats “Wiggins”. Though I’m more inclined to go with a Snake appropriate name of simply “Slytherin” (or would he name it at all? Did he care enough about the monster to name it) 🤔
@@JenniD1990 considering how important it was to play in his future plan of "purging the school of those he believed to be unworthy of attending" I believe he would have named it but I get your point about having it have a snake like name.I imagine it would be something elegant & intimidating
Salazar junior lol
Don't talk to me or my son ever again
@@luzelenaserrano1236 😂😂😂
I named it Alys. It means noble.
Honestly, i have a very simple theory. The Marauders were trouble makers and they created the map. They knew Filch (and his cat) were always out for trouble makers just like Fred & George. Therefore, when they created the map-they made sure it would locate both Filtch and the Cat so they could actively avoid both of them and continue their mischief. No other animals show up on the map, because no other animals were a threat to them, therefore they had no reason to make them show up on it.
Simple and makes perfect sense. #Ravenclaw
Not trying to be mean, just saying that you spelled Ravenclaw wrong! :)
Also, the marauders didn't actually know Filch until their 3rd year, and maybe wouldn't have known his reputation until their 4th (that is unlikely though) so the map would've been made after Filch is a staff at Hogwarts (or maybe he IS a poltergeist and therefore was always there).
Don't call Mrs. Norris "his cat" and "the cat". That's speciesist. Her name is Mrs. Norris.
@@Ranger1812 I apologise, i realise that may have insulted some animals, and sincerely hope i shall never be speciesist again.
@@jamesf659 You should be saying that without the snark.
the whole “filch is a poltergeist” has me thinking about occam’s razor. Wouldn’t it also just make sense that the marauders just personally assigned his name on the map? filch would’ve been caretaker for hogwarts in their later years at the school.
Maybe the Map shows all "Security" in the castle which would include Mrs. Norris. just an idea
Makes sense
I agree they added a spell to add all staff, she is part of the staff.
Adding the working staff would include a squib Filch and a regular cat Mrs. Norris.
The one thing I find off however is that if the book and quill are filling the 'database' of the map then she wouldn't show up as "Mrs." Norris, she wasn't born like that and something must've added her to the list sans first name.
Unless her parents were just really weird
And likewise, the visiting students and professors from Beaubatons and Durmstrang wouldn't show up on the map either. Nor would anyone else who was never a student at Hogwarts.
@@PhilBagels The visting students from Durmstrang and Beaubatons would show up on the map, in the previous video they mentioned that the book records all names with enough magic to attend Hogwarts, regardless of whether they actually attend Hogwarts or not, the book still records their name because they are eligible for enrollment - on the Mrs. Norris front, the quote from the book refers to her as Mrs. Norris, but there is no visual of Mrs. Norris on the map for us to actually see - it would be a little strange to suddenly call her something other than Mrs. Norris for readers, but Harry could in probability have seen her first name on the map and just thought nothing of it - he knows who Mrs. Norris is, the cat having a first name wouldn't be that much of a shock
Are you suggesting this cat is someone's wife?
@@adde9506 that's a theory I read! Mrs Norris is Filch'a wife and that's why he's so protective over her. Obviously with this theory, they were wed before her transformation.
Along with hooking up their map to the book and quill, I have no doubt that the Marauders likely manually added Filch and Mrs. Norris. This gives a good explanation on why they would be on the map without being magical.
Honestly, I love how great Filch and Norris are together, they have such a magical connection that it's ironic, because they're both non-magical.
This is very clever. I would manually add them too since if I was up to no good those two snitches would be the first I'd like to keep track of.
But that means that the cat is like 20 years old... Which is a weird enough fact on itself
@@dario6463 True... Perhaps she is magical in some way.
It doesn’t follow that only the Maurader can see each other on the Map. Severus Snape saw them on the map. That is how he knew to follow them.
Harry also saw Peter right? He pointed it out to Lupin.
In the books the map was already opened by Remus Lupin, he didn't open the map he saw it placed and read
@@MegaGreencarebear yes but not in the books. The movies got that wrong
@@MegaGreencarebear thats the movie, not the book
Snape saw it yes, but it was opened by Lupin, who had then forgot to wipe it clean. He just left it open on the table, so technically map wason Lupin's sign in. :D
Or, maybe there’s a similar book with all the staff’s names so they can be okayed by the wards and the marauders hooked into that as well (or first, since it has fewer names and would make for a better prototype) and Dumbledore humored filch and added Norris to the list of staff so she’d be safe from any wards while they were wandering the grounds.
I consider y’all more canon than anything that comes out of J.K.’s Twitter. Just sayin... y’all’s theories are so much better than. “She’s just a cat.”
I agree. I especially agree with their Hagrid house theory.
omg yes
Theory on Marauders Map:
1. They used a very powerful Homonculous charm that reveals human souls (not just human beings) no matter the form they take (includes any transformations and the ghosts- explains why none of the house elves are on it, also I suspect Firenze wouldn’t have been on it, and if this is true once the Dementors kissed Barty Crouch Jr he no longer would’ve shown up on the map). It’s constantly updating while active, like a satellite showing heat signatures only it literally identifies people by their personal identities. (Sorry I don’t think they synced with the book/quill because I feel like once someone accepts education to wherever they choose to their name drops off the list. Why would a potential acceptance list for Hogwarts keep all that data stored indefinitely? Like once the letter is sent and the student shows up there’s no longer need for the ledger, if anything the most it would keep is the graduates in my opinion.)
2. Other magic was used to draw out the castle and grounds and it constantly updates to address moving staircases, new construction, plant growth, and Peeves because he is magically part of the magical structure of Hogwarts. Essentially if there was a place to stand, or an obstacle in the way when the Marauders made the map it was included, along with any spells needed to interact with the structure of Hogwarts, the only exceptions being the Chamber of Secrets because it was never encountered by the Marauders, and the room of requirement because it is ever changing and therefore basically a void space.
3. The Marauders have admin access to the map- so when one of them swears they’re “up to no good” it either recognizes them specifically (voice recognition) or possibly their wands specifically. So, when Snape sees Lupin going into the Womping Willow secret passage on the map, it’s because Lupin didn’t “log out of admin privileges”. Esp since the map doesn’t effect your eyes, like the twins say when explaining to Harry to always wipe it when you’re finished “otherwise anyone can read it”.
As for Mrs Norris:
I do believe that Mrs Norris was a witch, and that at some point she attended Hogwarts, and that something magical transformed her into a cat permanently, and that she retained her mind and human soul. My personal theory about how her and Filch interact is that she was an amazingly accomplished legilimens and that she retained the ability as a cat. With her bond to Filch being so strong, and his full trust in her plus absolutely no defense she essentially has a telepathic connection directly with him. A skilled Occlumens could block her reading their mind, but honestly who’s going to think to defend against a cat? It explains their uncanny communication, and why Filch tends to know things a bit too specifically. Also, because of this ability she can sense thoughts in close proximity, similar to an empath sensing emotions. So when she approaches someone in an invisibility cloak because she’s also got heightened cat hunting senses and heard a rustle, she doesn’t see through the cloak but she hears the whispers of thought near her, she concentrates and hears student thoughts but can’t see them, not long after they hear Filch nearby searching with her for who the thoughts are coming from.
And to tie up the final loose end- Mrs Norris has fully embraced her name, possibly because she’s forgotten her previous human name, or because Filch named her before she trusted him enough to reveal that she was more than a cat, and like so many cats when she fully trusted and accepted Filch, adopting him as her pet, she also accepted the cute name he had picked for her. Either way it’s how she identifies herself now, so that’s how the map sees her. It shows the truth, and that is truly her name now. I would even go so far as to point out the whole senior/junior thing with the Barty Crouches- when Barty Crouch introduces himself, or the way they identity when having an internal conversation, does he add Senior or Junior to his name, no, the father might introduce his son as Junior but without the other in the conversation there’s no need. So I think the names are displayed by how the person identifies themself not how any kind of ledger or census would write their name, otherwise why only first and last names, why no middle name or initials? Cuz Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore would be an extra long name tag lol
Is Filch his first, or last name? Could it be possible Mrs. Norris is/was Filch’s wife? It would certainly explain the strong connection.
@@sheriburke8276 his full name is Argus Filch.
It's been established that Mrs Norris is not part Kneazle, and even if she isn't a Maledictus we've got a lot of other possible reasons for someone to be somehow transformed into an animal and possibly be stuck that way. Now that it's back in my mind, I'm not certain there's proof that Mrs. Norris isn't an Animagus. If Peter Petigrew could disguise himself as a rat for over 10 years without getting caught who knows?
Oh new idea!: Mrs Norris was a witch, who had a cat named Argus, somehow she swapped species and so her cat turned (non-magical)human and she turned cat! Maybe because she was trying to read her cat's mind? So now they can read each other's minds (so ya know, the spell sort of worked?) But the unexpected side effect was they swapped species and either they know they'll get in way too much trouble to try and get someone else to undo the spell, it's unbreakable, or the swap requires the human side to be able to perform the spell the reverse it and Filch is unable to. Or MAYBE the swap was intentional! Maybe Mrs Norris was like "Goodness cats have a great life, they get fed, and petted, and get to nap all day, and they're cute and agile little ninjas, gosh I wish I were a cat."
I mean what cat owner hasn't thought about switching places with their furry overlord? ;)
Omgsh, just rewatched the video that they referenced in this one "what's up with filch..." (the one they link to in this video) and when J goes over what Dumbledore says at the feast, and he says "... I'm told for the 400+ time, that magic isn't allowed in the corridors...."
WHAT IF THAT'S PROOF THAT FILCH IS THE OTHER HALF OF PEEVES AND ALSO A POLTERGEIST!?
What if Filch only asks the headmaster to make that announcement once a year, or even if it's every school semester/ quarter, he'd be 100+years old which he does not look like. Not to mention his comment about detention, and hanging students in the dungeons, and how he "missed the screams" (I think that was only in the movies, in the books though he says ge keeps the shackles well oiled in his office in case he's ever given permission to use them again), but anyways what if that's further proof because I feel like that kind of discipline probably hasn't been around for quite some time, so if he can remember the screams, if he was around then, then maybe he doesn't age. Maybe he's been there so long he doesn't remember that he's a poltergeist, hence the ordering or borrowing the thing for squibs because that's the only explanation as to why he's there but can't do any magic.
@@megsharp5811 Molly remembers a different caretaker when she was at Hogwarts.
@@kristineweber8084 good point, I thought she was referring to the grounds keeper before Hagrid but I must have mixed that up.
I have a different theory:
J.K.Rowling included different items and concepts, such as the Marauder's Map or a caretaker with an eerily intelligent cat, because she thought they sounded magical/whimsical/intriguing and fit well into the magical world she envisioned.
They were never really made to make perfect logical sense, not by themselves (e.g. why the Marauder's Map works the way it does) nor between different items/concepts (e.g. why Mrs. Norris appears on the map but other animals don't)
I also believe some of Rowling's later amendments and Pottermore/Wizarding World articles were her attempt at fixing some plotholes (be they real or perceived) or further explain concepts that had been left more vague in the books.
Many of those did a poor job imho, because they were far too rational, at least compared to how the books were written. Many ideas in the book weren't that logical at a closer look, but they felt right. The magic world in the books was charming exactly because it was not as dreary and rational as the Muggle world.
All of this charm vanishes when you later add how Muggle plumbing was a late installment in Hogwarts (which conveniently glosses over how the pipes are connected to the Chamber of Secrets without anyone noticing the giant effing snake) and that until this point the students just did their business wherever (dude, why not use chamberpots then... or outhouses).
Magic chamber pots! When someone was finished it vanishes for you, unless the teachers are teaching vanishing spells to every student upon arrival you’re gonna have some accidents, not to mention anyone having trouble learning said spell is going to be a mess until they get it down, it’d be like potty training 11 year olds all over again, Hogwarts is a castle for crying out loud why wouldn’t they have similar options to a muggle castle? Even before the book I’d say it was pretty obvious that ‘Everyone Poops’ and when brilliant magic users build a castle that runs on slave labor for cleaning etc that they’d have thought about where people were gonna do their business when they’re at the top of a massive tower and the stair cases move.
Yeah, the plumbing was a dumb one. What about first-years and even worse: first-year Muggle-borns? How would they know how to make the "evidence" disappear?
I always assumed that when plumbing was added later, the heir of Slytherin simply added a pipe to the Chamber.
Or maybe it Was that ambitious Slytherin who suggested adding pipes in the first place.
On Wizarding World/Pottermore I believe the map uses a ‘homonoculus charm’ - but even if it’s not sourced from the book and quill it would still reveal Mrs Norris to be a maledictus as presumably other pets don’t show up?
I like how we're calling her "the author who must not be named". Feels like coming full circle
I'd prefer that she would not be problematic and we could user her name bc even tho it is quite amusing that she was the one who invented He Who Must Not Be Named and now we are calling her that, unfortunately, it is bc she is transphobic :( but i do get what you mean
Literally on my way to comment this. I really respect that we can agree not to support “the author” but only support her work
What is coming full circle is that some people treat Rowling like she's a Parselmouth because of one tweet which can be read in different contexts while at the same time neglecting that she created a whole literary universe that literally oozes with Christian symbolism for love.
If one really chooses to judge a person on their writing alone, then one may also be encouraged to consider more closely the parts that do not necessarily support one's own stance.
@@jacquelineellis3951 By supporting her work, you support her. Anything HP related that you buy will support her because It's her world and her characters. If it doesn't support her then it's copyright theft.
@@roffel06 can someone please explain what all this is about?
Harry being the amazing pet parent that he is would most definitely spend some time checking to see what Hedwing was up to if he could see her on the map like we would all do with our pets!
I wrote a fanfic about how Mr Norris is a maladictus. It was about before she completely turned and she would babysit Filch Because his mother would randomly drop him off because she resented him for being a squib
link pls
send it to rowling and watch her flip her shit.>:3
Link please
what’s it called pleaseeeee i wanna read it
Oh wow. Its kind of short Because it was for a contest that had a word limit.
I didn't know where to ask this question so here goes: Wizards are said to live longer than humans by about 100 years. What about muggle born wizards? Would ron greatly outlive hermione or does the magic keep her alive longer. Is this what the pure bloods are so fanatic about?
This is pure head canon, but: being pureblood does not make you a more powerful being whatsoever. And as such the longer lifespan is part of the magic gene you need to be a wizard at all. Besides, magical healing has more to offer and can remedy illnesses and maladies much better. Helps with being strong and healthy much longer. This is available to both half and pure bloods equally.
I think its more lifestyle? Wizards have access to potions and healing magic that could extend ones lifespan
Having said that.. James Potter was 21 when he died, so when we meet Snape, Sirius, Pettigrew and Lupin, they’re only about 34.. yet all their parents are already dead, so too are Lily’s parents (though, not wizards), most likely the Weasley’s parents (given only their great aunt came to the wedding), and appears Narcissa’s parents and Lucius parents (seeing as they live in the family manor).. so, unless all their parents had them when they were very old.. that’s an awful lot of wizards and witches that must have died quite young.. the only people you really meet that are in that generation are Neville’s grandmother, Albus and Aberforth, weasleys great aunt and Doge.. so even though it’s said Wizards do live older than humans, the evidence in the books is that most die young!
Having said that.. James Potter was 21 when he died, so when we meet Snape, Sirius, Pettigrew and Lupin, they’re only about 34.. yet all their parents are already dead, so too are Lily’s parents (though, not wizards), most likely the Weasley’s parents (given only their great aunt came to the wedding), and appears Narcissa’s parents and Lucius parents (seeing as they live in the family manor).. so, unless all their parents had them when they were very old.. that’s an awful lot of wizards and witches that must have died quite young.. the only people you really meet that are in that generation are Neville’s grandmother, Albus and Aberforth, weasleys great aunt and Doge.. so even though it’s said Wizards do live older than humans, the evidence in the books is that most die young!
@@clselwood don't you know about the great wizarding war? It happened around the same time as WW2 and was fought between wizards and muggles. The wizards died in huge numbers and were forced to live in secrecy hence the statute of secrecy. I think fantastic beasts series will elaborate on that so we can only wait.
I remember learning somewhere that when a maledictus gradually loses the ability to come back to her human form, she's also losing the ability to think like a human. In other words, she fully becomes the animal she's cursed to be.
Every time I go into one of you guy’s videos, I’m always thinking “no way this could work”. And yet again I’m proven wrong, everything you said makes so much sense.
Could she have just failed at becoming an animagus and got the curse of forever being that animal?
It makes way more sense that she’s a poltergeist if she got petrified instead of dying because cats have very good senses. If a giant snake were coming up on her she would look directly at it, not stare at a puddle.
At the same time, if she was previously human, she would've probably had some education. If she is aware of the basilisk, she wouldn't look directly at it if she detects something coming
Maybe Mrs. Norris has nine lives... She's a cat after all.
@Chris Bryant If she was drinking from the puddle it wouldn't be still enough to show a reflection
Can we just stop for a moment and appreciate the irony of making a mistake on the word "infallible"?
I always has taught that Mrs Norris was an odd cat and after discovering what Maledictus is, Mrs Norris matches that description so well and it would make soo much senseeeee
Honestly my old head canon was always that Mrs. Norris was likely an animagus related to Filch. Someone who actually kept Filch safe from the students since, as a Squib, he could only ever do so much to enforce the rules. Sort of like Neville's doting grandma, if she had found a way to come to school with Neville. Admittedly, back then Maledictus hadn't been invented yet so this also works.
10:54 I've been wondering about this for years - how did they revive Nick from being petrified? You can't give a ghost whatever potion they made from the Mandrakes.
Also, according to the wiki, the Map tracks people because it's enchanted to show the people within its borders (it's called a Homonculous Charm), which I'm guessing means it would be able to show Muggles and Squibs.
Pour it into his neck
Spray him
If she was a witch first wouldn't the map show her by the name in the book of addmitance and not by Mrs Norris?
What if was her name she could of been married
But her name that the book of acceptance has down would be her name as a student.
Indeed.
And now you mention it, their hypothesis about the map getting the names from the book of admittance is maybe wrong; professor McGonagall would have been named by her maiden name
@@edopronk1303 do we know for sure that the names don't update in the book? like if it can track people in real time surely it can update chosen/changed names??
@@ebony4856 good point. I don't know if we now for sure things about the book.
Maurauders added Mrs. Norris to the map specially just to keep track of her position so as to not get in trouble.
I love the way he moves around the whole video it would be so easy to stay in the one position but he makes the effort to make it entertaining
Hope we get Mrs Norris’s backstory in Fantastic Beasts. She is clearly Filch’s witch girlfriend who was a Maledictus so turned into a cat for all time. But he still loves her. So it’s tragic but kind of romantic. She attended Hogwarts. Norris is her surname. She’s Muggle born.
Just read the title and already agree. Never thought about that but it makes so much sense.
If mrs. Norris was human wouldn't her full name be written in the book and therefor the map? I do love the theory though.
Her first name is literally mrs.
The map might have said her first and last name, but the quote from the book refers to her as mrs. Norris because that’s what she’s usually called.
@@sparkndark that’s a possibility. I like your other thought though on her first name being “mrs.”
Dumbledore's full name didn't show up either. They would have needed a bigger map...
@Cameo B I also enjoy my first Idea.
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@@SuperCarlinBrothers thanks!! Now i just have to find somewhere to stick the stickers.
You got a spot in mind
Interesting theory.... BUT Snape could see Lupin go to the shrieking shack. It was a good theory though! :)
Mrs Norris is a poltergeist herself: the manifestation of the desire to keep owls in line (brought on by built-up exasperation at breakfast post)
I'd love it if it got confirmed. No one would be sad about retconning obscure and dumb info on an old website...
Couldn't the map just be using the homenem revelio spell? They never really show how that spell works but it's job is to identify people in a building.
That's probably a part of the total enchantment on the map (one of many), but it shouldn't work even in an unplottable building. I think they somehow tied the map's functions into the magic of Hogwarts itself. The entire castle itself isn't just enchanted, it's inherently magical; I think they tapped into that.
True, I think the spells and charms used to make it are very complex… and I’d honestly expect nothing less from the marauders.
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but- what if Salazar Slytherin IS the basilisk
So he never left the school? Hmm.
I love that theory! 👏🏻👏🏻
As in an Animagus or something else?
@@Gadg3t_01 I’m not sure, I think it would fit with his character that he’d go so far as to turn himself into an animal to live forever though
@@Gadg3t_01 hmm, maybe an animagus who made the change permanent, like Sirius mentioned in the Prisoner of Azkaban?
Remind me again: are maledictus long-lived? Or do they have the lifespan of the animal they turn into? And if they have a human lifespan, what would happen to Voldey's soul when Nigini dies?
My theory was always that if they die, the soul piece dies along with it, if it is in a living creature. I always thought that that was why it was so dangerous
I would assume maledictus have human lifespans at least since the average lifespan of snakes similar to Nagini is about 20 years. She is approximately 80+ years old when she gets killed so unless her curse didn't activate until she was over 60 she outlived the expected lifespan of a snake. As for what happens to the horcrux, I would expect if she died of old age her corpse would still be a horcrux.
Ben alluded to an interesting idea in “How to Become an Animagus” - that if you failed your spell, then there was the possibility of remaining in your animal form forever, then mentioned Crookshanks. Wouldn’t this be the most obvious answer for Mrs. Norris?
I prefer the idea that the marauders had to specifically add filtch to the map it definitely seems like in their ability to add that ability
SCB: Makes an elaborate theory filling in plot holes and explaining unexplained magic.
The Author: Write that down, write that down!
I’m calling it Salazar would definitely name the basilisk Salazar Jr.
Filch likely accidentally turned his wife/girlfriend at the time into a cat. He was not talented enough to tur her back...The reason "'He had a boggart in his file cabinet." Boggarts will drain a wizard of his powers over time if not eradicated from the premises. So as Filch tried and tried and tried to "Fix" Mrs.Norris he eventually gave up and resorted to self help books never knowing the REAL REASON he was "squibbed" so to speak. She remained devoted and they kept being the odd couple of buddies they always were for as like Nagini she likely could NEVER turn back over time...the longer she was a cat the more like a cat she was.
That is my guess. Now I will watch the video and see what they think.
Wait, what would happen if a Maledictus were to become an Animagi? Would that speed up their transformation to a Maledictus, or spare them from that fate? Would they even be capable of doing the ritual?
I mean, the real answer is that it didn’t occur to Rowling that Ms. Norris shouldn’t show up on the map since she’s an animal, and I doubt she had come up with the idea of a maledictus by book three of the series, considering that Nagini is not treated like a person in the books at all.
However, this theory is more fun.
its not bad if it had no explanation at the time of writing, can always add later as long as it doesnt contradict. thats basicly what SCB are doing here. thinking of a reason within the lore to explain this issue.
She had the books planned out in advance I think
100%!
I think it’s worth another look into why Peter isn’t recognized on the map, because in prisoner of Azkaban Snape (essentially the marauders enemy #1) was able to see lupin going through the tunnel to the shrieking shack. I’d love to hear another theory!
I think he would have seen Peter show up on the map. But the Shrieking Shack is out of bounds and not part of the map. He only saw Lupin go down the tunnel.
It likely takes a specific spell and the ongoing maintenance of that spell to stay hidden on the map. Peter and Lupin likely just screwed up a few times.
It may be only on movie, but...
Haven't Harry actually SEEN Peter in the map and went after him during the night?
@@VJK102 harry did see him. If there's a spell that allows the marauders to hide themselves, peter likely just messed it up, likely due to being harassed by crookshanks
Super Carlin Brothers: "Her name is in the book! :D"
Me: "Her first name is *MRS.?!"*
Theory: The Marauders map is a stolen page from the book of admittance and the map was drawn with the quill of acceptance.
Nailed it!!!
Holy F----!!!!!
Yes but no living soul has been in that room.
Not even f&g weasley.
They would've got in if it were possible
11:25 notice how he doesn't say Peter coz he is always a rat
@@eyebrow5915 professor Mcgonagall has thats where she writes the acceptance letters.
Filch is just Ferpo the Foul and Mrs Norris is his horcrux. She was once a witch that offended him and he transfigured her into a cat.
Me and my sister have always had a theory that Mrs. Norris used to be human in some capacity, and she was Filch’s lover, and that’s why he adores her so much
I hate to break Seamus's theory about the Marauders showing up on the map, but Snape says that he sees Lupin on the map in PoA. I loved the theory as much as you did, but then I read that and... yeah.
I think the even easier explanation is that the twins never take a serious look at the bedrooms in gryffindor tower when using the map, because they definitely had something better to do, when they used it, as they would probably look at their direct environment, to look out for any people which might caught them doing mischief.
Yea I said the same thing before reading your comment. I think a better explanation for why Fred and George do not see Peter sleeping in the same bed as Ron is as simple as the names being too crammed on the map to distinguish from each other when in the common room. The castle + grounds is huge and the map, although relatively big is still a piece of parchment and the common room and the dorms would be even tinier on the map (imagine like 1/100th the area of the whole castle + its grounds and therefore of the piece of parchment too). With around 60 students in one house (a very conservative number), being in the same general vicinity after classes or at bed time, it must be difficult to distinguish each and every name on the map. It doesn't help that the map writes the full names of everyone either. Also, there is no mention that you can zoom in on any location on the map either.
I don't know why people come up with such extensive theories when there is a simple explanation which makes more sense.
@@rac2090 Also Harry did see Peter on the map in POA. Then Snape found him and Lupin ended up taking the map from him.
@@RosieRosieCool Only in the movies though, and the movies aren't canon (i know that the person who said that also said that the Cursed Child is canon, but it's either the book are canon or the movies, and the books make more sense)
@@pigi1004 I stand corrected. I would have sworn that it happened in the books as well. But true, in the books Lupin tells Harry that he saw Peter on the map. And yes Cursed Child is not cannon.
Here's a question I've had ever since reading/watching CoS: how did they "apply" the depetrification potion to nick? Liquid would simply pass right through him, right?
spray? mist?
you add gunpowder to the potion so it becomes a splash potion. that should work i guess
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@Furry puffskein harry saw peter on the map in the MOVIES not books. it’s not canon. and for why rita skeeter showed up, she is a witch, so she probably went to hogwarts at some point.
Or a simple explanation: the marauders specifically added Filch & Mrs Norris manually because they were hallmonitors who could get them in trouble😅😅😅 so knowing their locations is very useful to the mischievous... since they wouldn't show up naturally in the book of admittance... so needed to be manually included in the charms or spells used to create the marauders map
The baskilisk will be known as "Wiggins" in my head forevermore.
Mrs. Norris isn't an animagus or a maledictus! She's actually a flerken! Harry Potter x Marvel crossover!
Whats a flerken
Yesssss
@@PixlyPenguin It's a flerken that gives Nick Fury his scarred eye.
Flerken is an alien that can appear to be a cat, but is actually horrifying and strong with long tentacles.
@@PixlyPenguin In Marvel, it is an alien that takes the form of a cat.
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Here's a question that breaks this theory: Did Nagini show up on the map?
Nagini didn't attend Hogwarts so the Book and the Quill wouldn't have a record of her.
@@stuartmcnaughton1495 it doesn't matter if she attended because the book and quill will record ANY magical person, not just those who go to hogwarts. The difference is Nagini was a human woman who turned into a maledictus (I didn't watch CoG so I'm assuming based on info in this vid) and the theory states Mrs Norris was a witch turned male maledictus.
(*-male sorry my autocorrect hates me)
@@bluebubbles3063 It's suggested in the movie that she's a witch. Or at least I assumed that she was since she was found in a magical street circus.
@@MontgomeryWenis great point!
This theory makes perfect sense to me. I'm betting she did Filch's job before she permanently changed. If Filch really is a poltergeist, then he would have been created largely from her work as caretaker. He would have felt a strong bond with her (just like he did with Umbridge). He would know how to do all the things she did, and would have continued her 'noble work' in honor of her.
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Maybe the marauders just added a separate thing for mrs norris while they were there to track her specifically
Definitely an easy solution. If they were able to remove themselves from the Map, I can imagine them being able to add Filch and Mrs. Norris specifically. It doesn't immediately disprove the theory, but it unfortunately does weaken it a bit, since the logic banks on the impossibility of them showing up on it to begin with.
Honestly, I can think of several reasonable explanations for how the map works that avoid this problem completely, including one with direct evidence from Pottermore. (I can explain if anyone asks me to, but I'm already getting ranty and I wanna quit while I'm ahead)
Possibly. I mean the Mauraders would want to know where Filch and Mrs. Norris is so they could be up to no good without the worry of being caught. That said, she still seems to be more than just an average cat.
Someone else has mentioned that the timeframe wouldn’t work because Mrs Norris shouldn’t have been there when the Marauders attended school in the 70’s, and if somehow she was there then it points to her being definitely magical because typical cats don’t live well past 20 years
I wonder how many writing mistakes how been turned into brilliant theories by readers.
Probably a lot but it’s still fun to watch and come up with theories
I like to imagine Salazar named his snake Fluffy. Originally it didn’t have a name, but someone asked and he gave a sarcastic answer and stuck with it.
For people who have been permanently transformed into animals (be it Nagini or Mrs. Norris) I think it’s a bit like Eustace in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Narnia not Harry Potter but bear with me). That is, although their human mind remains intact, their instincts and whims are those of the animal they’ve been cursed into. So although they might be aware, say, eating mice is gross and eating people is wrong, they’re animal instincts crave the nutrition that their animal bodies would normally eat. So like, Mrs. Norris instinctively acting like a cat but reasoning like a human leads to things like slinking around getting students in trouble (cat instincts and human logic on same page) while also getting distracted by all the owls flying around (cat instincts and human reasoning in conflict)
Here's the thing , though: I thought the Book and Quill just noted down potential Hogwarts students, what about Wizards who did attend another school or no school at all?
But who is she married to? "Mrs" Norris, guys. "Mrs", where everyone else on the map has their first name regardless of marital status. A conspiracy!
Mr Norris, duh.
I also thought of this too, I just hope that there is a "MeowTongue" for cats.
Idea for a video
How did the hogwarts staff give nearly headless nick the mandrake potion when he is unable to be touched by a human
While it is a question that I want to hear more thoughts on, it doesn't seem like it'd make for that much of a video.
splash potion:D
How would a ghost be affected by a basilisk anyway?
@@talea9593 Because every species are effected by a Basilisk.
@@wariolandgoldpiramid I don't get it but okay.
The marauders literally made the map so it would help them to get way with stuff, therefore Mrs. Norris is exactly the kind of person (?) who they would have made sure appeared in it.
J your joke chain here was spectacular 8:44 "Fred you know a kid named Wiggins? He's in the walls!" I bet Salazar did name the basilisk Wiggins too J.
Parseltongues are wizards that can speak with serpents, including snakes. A basilisk is just such a serpent not a parseltongue itself.
Not necessarily. Parseltongue is a language and anyone that can speak it is a parselmouth.
On the whole Peter Pettigrew conundrum:
I use to believe Seamus theory that Marauders only only show up to each other until I reread Prisoner of Azkaban last year and realised that Snape saw Lupin on the map at the end of the story when he brought Wolfsbane potion to him, so wouldn't that mean that others could also see the Marauders on the map? (Unless I'm completely misremembering things)
The Marauders can hide themselves, but they have to cast a spell and maintain that spell. Lupin probably forgot to. Or he never did in the first place. Peter likely had the spell going the entire time and only wasn't using it because he was too busy running away from Crookshanks and Sirius.
According to the Pottermore article abt the book and quill, no student has ever seen them in the history of the school, so how would the marauders know about it to forge the connection between them and the map?
On the marauders map, the school might simply keep updated lists on attendance, faculty and guests. Every real school knows every student, faculty member and visitor by their full name, so it would make sense Hogwarts would too. Seems unlikely the marauders would have had the skill, time and the resources to create such lists let alone find a way to keep them updated, not to mention connect it to a map that knows not only where people are but who they are. In the Prisoner of Azkaban "I doubt whether any Hogwarts students ever found out more about the Hogwarts grounds and Hogsmeade than we did... And that’s how we came to write the Marauder’s Map, and sign it with our nicknames. Sirius is Padfoot. Peter is Wormtail. James was Prongs.” Lupin takes credit for the marauders for creating the map. They were constantly getting in trouble, and going where they weren't supposed to, they might have stumbled upon the lists. The marauders could have created the map, and connected it to the lists the school was keeping.
The school itself has magic, and a level of sentience. It prevented Umbridge from entering the headmaster's office, that would imply the school itself not only knew where everyone was, but also who they were. Instead of creating all the magic themselves the marauders could have found a way to visualise that function of the school. They "just" created an interface, the school and the founders' magic does the rest.
Putting aside the Poltergeist theory, Filch is part of the Hogwarts staff, so he'd be in some registry the map could source it's data from. I doubt such a thing would be done for animals, so the theory still holds.
In the Deathly Hollows part 1, when the trio arrives at the Grimmauld place, Nr 12., Hermione casts a spell to reveal any humans inside, and although in that particular occasion there is none, I guess the map is using some kind of simillar Magic, to reveal any human (hidden or not) on the map with their name. That would explain misis Norris being a maledictus, because while in an everlasting animal form, she is still a human (and a witch, of course), so her name shows on the map. That is my theory about misis Norris... 🤔
Y'know, Padfoot would totally be an email spammer.
Wait a sec, why *didn't* the twins go investigate the third-floor corridor, to see whatever it was they weren't supposed to get into? Regardless of seeing Fluffy on the map or not, what self-respecting pair of troublemakers wouldn't want to know what thing they were specifically being told not to go look at?
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Unless Dumbledore diverted them somehow.
Or maybe they did and just never let Harry or Ron know about it?
I believe she is a maledictus for the question about her acting like a human Mrs Norris probably is still in control of human impulses she had as human however she sometimes gives into her instincts that she now owns. So yes she has the intelligence of a human but gives into her instincts from time to time
Would she have been admitted as “Mrs Norris” to hogwarts though? If I remember right, all of the teachers’ full names show up on the map. In this case, her first name wouldn’t, and the map will know she had been married and possibly changed her name? Too inconsistent for me... cool thought though!
I was thinking that the map only shows the names of people you know. It would make sense why Fred and George never saw Peter Pettigrew on the map. And Harry doesn’t notice the name until after he learns about him. I also think that it only shows the names of people as you know them.
But I think either the map only presents people as you know them or Mrs. Norris is in fact a poltergeist.