Simply great. I had to do it the exact opposite, 85 cm of legs, highten the seat for 5 cm, and now it is perfect for me, 187 cm tall. Best greetings from Stefano, Stuttgart, Germany. PS: I discovered you now and I am looking through all your videos. Very genuine and very precious hints and tips. Wish you the best Charlie, ride safe and greetings to Roger from my "Cavaletta", Italian name, as I am an Italian living in Germany. 😊
My 48 yr of motorcycle maintenance tip which I use for chain cleaning. Buy 5l of parrafin off e bay or amazon. Get some detailing brushes. Couple big cardboard boxes opened out to put under chain area to soak up parrafin, dirt and lube. Wipe chain with parafffin soaked rag. Put in sandwich bag and reuse whenever. Paraffin in container then use detailing brushes to work into chain. I have tried many methods and imo this is easiest fastest and best. Do as many times as needed, will also stop corrosion. Then allow to dry 1hr. Wipe with clean cloths then save as before. Apply your preferred lube.. .Do not get paraffin on brake discs/pads/tyresetc.great for cleaning oil off rear wheel too with a rag. I have never lowered the rear of a bike but have dropped one at the front a vfr 800 fi it made it turn in quicker but less stable at high speeds and put it back. Ihave very long legs so I need a bike with lots leg room
Hi Charlie. I haven`t read all the other comments, so I may be repeating what someone else has said. The simple way of explaining how the longer links work, is to think of it as pushing the back wheel higher into the rear wheel arch, so that when the wheel is on the floor, the wheel arch and hench the seat, is closer to the ground. Simples.
Hello, just found you in my recommendations. At 5ft. 6in. you are a bit taller than me (5ft 4.5in) I think I could manage perfectly well on your bike. Glad you could find something to suit your needs. Subbed and hit the bell icon. Cheers, take care, Norm in Yorkshire.
Before you replace the chain, check that the tight spot is in the same place through several revolutions. I recently saw a Royal Enfield that the sprocket, while not worn was also not round, resulting in tight spots. But the tight spots migrated on the chain because the chain wasn’t the problem 😮
I remember having the same stands issue when I lowered my nc750x. I bought the sorter side stand from the S model which was an easy swap. However, I couldn't get it up onto the center stand, so instead of hacking it to bits and welding it back together, I just got a scrap piece of wood to run the back wheel into, and voila!! It was easy peasy. I cut the piece of wood short enough to fit in the frunk and took it with me wherever I went. 👍😁
Manufacturers use budget chain and sprockets. Find the tightest spot and adjust chain at that point. If the rest of the chain is to slack change everything. As for the forks, see how you feel after a loaded camping trip. If you get any wandering about then drop forks to put the weight back on the front end.
Hi charlie great videos on the lowering of the himmy there's a couple of things to consider, putting the bike on the centrestand with no luggage on is ok, but if you lower the front end as well may make it harder, and also depends on what tyres you have on and how much tread on the tyres, but that's the joy of owning a himalayan you make it to what suits you such a versatile bike take care and ride safe 👍
Thanks for this. Being also more or less 'the perfect height' 5'5" with an inside leg of 29", this was great info as I'm thinking about getting a RE Himalayan for my work commute, (and other adventures) into Mid Yorks Pinders Hospital.
I enjoyed that Charlie, and the end bit with your daughter was funny. You have a methodical approach to the various issues you encounter. I have never attempted these particular mods so I can't claim any experience in that regard. What I do know is how valuable the experience of DIY becomes as you progress through a driving and motorcycling career. You will derive a lot of satisfaction from enjoying the fruits of your labour and before long you will be helping newcomers. Enjoy safe riding.
Charlie, you are awesome and have great riding friends to help you out when you need it. Really enjoy seeing the sights in part of world. I am currently waiting to get my parts back from being resprayed then my bike is on road. Glad I discovered your channel, good luck, will be waiting for next one.
Thank you, good video and info , i may now consider the new Himalayan. 5.3 and the seat height put me off. Now it is a serious consideration. Keep up the great vids ,mostly dont forget to enjoy the rides 😂
Hi Charlie it's Charlie hope your well tbh I didn't notice the upside down just go's to show how easy it is to make a mistake like that really pleased you are flat footed now bars look great 👍 Good luck with the chain if it's not too worn Maybe a good soak overnight 🤔. All the best Chas.
Your chain is probably serviceble, take it off clean and lubricate it then test for wear, it will be easy to find the sticking link. Its got plenty of life in it, so use till worn and replace chain and sprockets at same time. Cheaper in the long run.
Hey Charlie. Thanks for that, after 2 years of having Harry my Himalayan and tip toeing around, you have finally given me the nudge to get it lowered. Just ordered a set of links. Cheers. Good vid.
Charlie, you are awesome and have great riding friends to help you out when you need it. Really enjoy seeing the sights in part of world. I am currently waiting to get my parts back from being resprayed then my bike is on road. Glad I discovered your channel, good luck, will be waiting for next one. LOL, was added a reply by accident.
Good explanations! As regards the forks, with the rear lowered and the front at the original height, the tendency will be for the front to be a tiny bit more difficult to turn but have more stability in a straight line and the differences may not be noticeable to you. Just keep riding and smiling! 🙂
Loved the outtakes at the end, made a a gloomy weather day here brighter 🙂 As for what you've done to the bike, well if suits your needs that's all that matters. I often come across shorter riders who have lowered their bikes and they all seem to say it's changed the handling. There is another way for shorter riders, by reducing the width of the riders seat, which will then not spread the legs wider (can I say this to a lady without getting into trouble lol) making it easier to get feet on the ground fully. As for chain, although there may not seem like hooking on sprockets it's always wise to change them when fitting a new chain, I know, I'm just having to do the same on my winter bike CBF1000.
@@restdayrider Hi Charlie, hopefully you can enjoy the bike more now you can flat foot the bike, as for handling, I wouldn't be concerned as your riding is sensible and careful.
Another great vid' Charlie, thank you! Just to echo a couple of the other comments, the tight spot in your chain may be down to the rear sprocket running slightly eccentrically... It may be better to get a complete chain and sprocket set depending on how tired your chain is. Regarding lowering the back end and handling thingy, you're right in that it may feel like Roger's turning slower but it may feel okay. It's when you go the other way (arse up, nose down) that instability may creep in 😬 For what it's worth, I'd suggest just riding and seeing how Roger feels along with your new 'bars. If he feels a little slow in the bends then maybe slide the forks up 10mm and see how he feels and go from there. Oh, and your face was a delightful picture when you first sat on Roger after lowering him in the last vid' 😊 Ride safe 👍
Charlie, the bike will change direction more slowly now, not that much though, small adjustments like that won't be that noticeable on the road, off road where you are constantly making small corrections, is where you will notice a difference, the bike will be a little less flickable, it's all down to what you are comfortable with, great channel by the way!
I STILL have the original adjustable side stand from years ago, the ‘SUREFOOT’, brand new unused in my attic . It’s designed to clamp on lower frame rails etc.
I know that I haven't suscribed yet Charlie, but I explained in the previous video how to check the chain properly, and because you lowered it, yes it would be tighter, because the centerline of the rear axle is now more in line with the center of the swinging arm bolt and the centerline of the front or countershaft sprocket. T.S. RACING
Great explanation and great video again. 👋 On my 2 Triumphs ( former bikes) I had to lower evereything too. Before I did that I phoned with the famous framespecialist Nico Bakker from Holland, and he told me to do so, I reckoned well.. he's the specialist, better do as he says. Like I said before not lowering the forks make them longer then before, kind of like a chopper ( not that extreme tho) The bike will be more stable in a straight line but will be harder to push into a corner. But hey if you don't feel the need to do so...cheers to you🥂🍻. Thx again Charlie for your lovely video, as usual looking forward to the next one. Grts Danny
Thanks ..I see this is a year old video but I recently got a used 22 himalayan ...It was too tall i'm 5'5" So i got the links from Hitchcocks and lowered the front 20 mm....Well it was almost impossible to get it on center. With help from my floor jack I did and my back tire was 3 inches off the ground. Way too high. My fix was to remove center stand cut 1-1/2 inches on each tube line up and reweld and had to move the lower spring pin as well. I also shortened the side stand 2 inches and it's just enough to make it a normal lean. BTW now the back tire is 1/2 inch off the ground on center stand. It is easy to use now very happy ,. thanks again.
As always a superb value for money watch! With my own 40 year career of fitting things upside down (The first time) on motorcycles behind me, I feel qualified to say, "You're doing a fine job!"
Thanks very much for the update, I'm going to go ahead with lowering my Himalayan I'll probably lower the forks on mine to keep the equilibrium, but as you say if it's handling OK for you probably best leave alone. Loved your out takes at the end.😂
I own a classic 500 and love it to bits but for a long time now I've been wanting an adventure bike for longer trips. I'm obsessed with the Himalayan. I also want to do the lowering should I get one so that was a very informative vlog, thank you very much!
Omgosh, the end! 🤣 I am glad you are now more comfortable on Roger. I'll be lowering my bike also this spring. And to answer the question, "Why are you buying a bigger bike if short legged?" There is not a lot of choice of adventure bikes (or bikes in general) for short people if you want to be able to be flat foot (with 2 feet)on the ground. I'm 5'2" and anything higher than 27" I can't reach the ground with my 2 feet. Can't wait to see what you will add to Roger! Take care!
I wouldn't rush to replace the chain, its quite common to have tight spots in a chain even on a new bike and may not necessarily be the chain at fault. I would set the correct adjustment at its tightest point and see how it goes. Make sure also that there aren't any tight links in the chain, if so, lube and free off first.🙂👍
4:34: most chain bikes i've had say to check your chain tension with both wheels on the ground. ..... best of all with pilot in position. make loada difference.....
Good one girl, you’re just so easy to watch, I’m 6 foot 4 so shortening is the opposite to what I look for but I found your modifications most interesting, I’d be surprised if you have to lower your steering end but you in time will be the judge of that. Keep your movies coming, you light up my day every time with your wit and your smile 😇
Regarding front end lowering. (5' 8" - 27.5" inside leg) I had a bike that had been lowered with links at the rear, but the front was not adjustable. The handling was somewhat iffy. I did have the original links (previous owner had been a thoughtful person) and I put the standard links in. Handling was transformed. I then had to hop from side to side when riding as the seat was that bit higher. Since I did 18500 miles on the bike in the 366 days that I owned it, I did not have my feet down on the ground very often. Watch out for wobbly steering when closing the throttle under 40 mph and tipping into corners can be unnerving.
Hi Charlie, Good vidéo. As you have to change your chain and turn over the links, it might be a good idea to drop down the swing arm and grease the whole system (axel, bearings etc ). I say this because I think I heard that typical squeeky sound while you were putting the bike on the center stand. 👍
Greetings Charlie, may I add my 2 cents. My best bikes were when the adjustments gave me the confidence of being one "with" the bike, not one "on" the bike. Just like my favorite pants, gloves, helmet, etc. And about the ending, I suggest roll with the first take, your videos show reality, not some adjusted, polished, version of life. I vote let's keep it real. Godspeed.
I learned for your injury I'm sory.Injuries that unfortunately often occur in our profesions. I wish you a good recovery and hope to see you soon on a motorcycle ✌️🇨🇵
J'ai rien à dire,oui on apprend de ses erreurs et surtout si on tente rien certain qu'on ne risque pas de faire d'erreurs mais c'est triste une passion qu'a demi vécu.....c'est toujours aussi divertissement de vous suivre dans cette passion tardive😀 et les 3 dernières prise montrent que c'est pas toujours facile de faire un vlog😁👍✌️🇨🇵
Spotted the chain condition at the begining of the video before you mentioned it Charlie, have you heard the saying "the man who never made a mistake never made anything" this also applies to all genders ! But my all time favourite that I use a lot is "every day's a school day".
The himalayan has soul, messing about with it is part of the fun. So many possibilities and extra's at a low cost makes so much more possible. Those who don't test ride them or get it, well it's their loss.
On my 2014 nc750x I lowered the back 30 mm but left the front stock , steering a tad heavy but not a problem, made it more stable at speed, chopped 6mm off side stand , push rear wheel up onto 25mm thick plank of wood for centre stand no problem
When I lower a bike, as you have, I drop the front end by half as much. So for a 20mm drop at the back I drop 10mm at the front. and then test ride it to see if it feels ok. Dropping the rear end takes weight off the front and dropping the front adds weight to the front. Some sportsbike riders drop the front or raise the rear to quicken up the steering. However it is all about how the bike feels to you. You could leave it as it is and only change it if you find the bike reluctant to steer into a bend. Re the chain- That tight spot is not good. It can cause severe wear on the engine sprocket and the gearbox output shaft bearing and seal. P.S. do not try to drop the front end on your own or with someone who doesn't know how to do it. With the bike on the centre stand the weight is on the front wheel and if you undo the clamping bolts it can collapse to the ground.
I had a rusty chain on my Scram. I was using Wurth dry lube, but as the chain is not the best quality, it rusted quite quickly (even though I use it on other bikes with no problems 🤷🏻♂️). So I switched to WD40 Chain Wax, and it cleared up all the rust.
Hey Charlie, you explained it very well, and the out takes were funny 😁 If everything works properly, then it's definitely worth being able to flat foot the bike 🏍 The real test is whether it goes too wide around corners. If it doesn't all good. If you under steers corners, then you have to lower the forks as you said, but beware, you don't lower them the same amount! My Honda was 30mm rear and 12mm front. So, if needed, start off 5 to 8mm. Then check both stands again. Best wishes Lynt
Hi Charlie just a pointer its always best practice hto replace chain and sprockets together they wear together and replacing just the chain may cause premature wear of your new chain. 👍
Hiya, great follow up video, i've lowered my bike with the same mod, and had my side stand shortend, transformed the ride, and it's less likely to fall over when i park it, i've never touched the front forks and my bike has performed fine.
On any motorcycle that has adjustable pre-load rear shocks you will gain or lose height. If you do the mathematics to determine the effect that it has on the front fork rake angle by lowering the rear it will be in the region of 1 or 2 degrees. That will have no effect on the feel of the bike in normal riding. You ride the bike, does it feel any different in the corners? if anything it will feel more stable in a straight line with no discernible difference on cornering. If so End of dilemma
Hay Charlie you will get your bike set up to what you want we all ride different what you do should be what you want Brilliant your blogs keep up with what you are doing and you are brilliant
See how it goes before lowering the front forks is a good decision Charlie. On a sports bike, knee down through a fast bend that 20mm may make a difference to precise handling but I doubt Roger will feel any different at 60 mph, once you get your usual camping gear with kitchen sink and double bed on board. 😆
You will notice the forks when you are on tight switchback roads, it will take a fraction longer to switch left and right. It's not a massive deal on a Himalayan, but it makes a difference on more powerful bikes. Think of it this way, you go into an S bend, lean over to go right, hit the apex, and then have to pull it over to the left. It will take longer. I had a Tiger 1050 years ago. It was too tall, so fitted a 30mm lowering kit. It was already a slow turn bike but became even slower, but I dropped the front and I had an adventure style bike that handled like any other bike. I guess it makes the most difference if you overcook it into the twisties (difficult with 27hp) and you need to flick the bike around quickly.
Being a fellow short arse I've put lowering links on a few bikes (4 I think) and I've only lowered the forks on the last one I did which was my nc750x, no handling problems on any
Loved the out takes. 🤣 The dog legs are well used on mono shock bikes, and help us shorter riders. However...you're still tall compared to me. 😭 Ride safe, love your adventures. LJ
You should always lower front and back together normally, but you have an adventure bike, you won't notice a difference unless you put it through its paces on a track. The chain should be checked with the rear wheel on the ground or you will get a false feel to it. Tight spot ain't too good but if you soak it in wd40 or diesel it will slacken off then you can grease it. Unless of course the chain is buggered..
Thank you for the update video about the centre stand looks like it isn't any issue. I am not any suspension expert but I believe you don't actually need to lower the front as much as 20mm like the rear to level up the bike. So might be worth looking into that 20mm is quite a bit on the front forks to drop. I fitted 10mm drop shocks on my interceptor and dropped the front maybe a couple of mm and handling seems fine. Anyway ride safe and keep the videos coming even with the young lady playing you up in the back ground 😆
I wouldn't replace the chain as long as your adjustments are not maxed out. All chains have a tight section that's why you always measure the adjustment on the tight section. I always clean and lube my chain every 3 fill ups , it only takes about 20 minutes . Watch the Fortnine video on chain lube. I clean my chain with a spray bottle of kerosene , scrub with a chain brush wipe dry then lube with a toothbrush and gear oil. After two or three brushings you can't even taste the oil anymore. Ha ! . I've put 12,000 miles on my bike and have only needed to adjust the chain 3 times. Of course I don't ride off road so I guess that accounts for my not needing to adjust the chain as often. Correction , I originally said adjust on the slack section but take your measurements on the tight section.
Wonderful video Charlie,I can’t comment on the mods you have done if it’s right to raise or lower the front forks as I don’t have a Scooby Doo about any of that only what you just taught me! Lol But I will say ya bike looks terrific!👍🏻😎
Hey Charlie, I think you did a fine job of explaining what had been done 👍 You'll soon know whether or not you need to lower the front a bit too once you do a few more miles on him. Stay safe🏍️ Ps, loved the bloopers😂🤣😂
You can simply experiment with lowering the font end by raising the forks through the fork clamps. There is a few cm of space below the fork tops and the handlebars....
When I lowered my old Tracer 900GT by 20mm the specifield top fork yoke drop was 13mm. Really it should have stated the measurement in the lowering bones instructions.
😂 how much did you roll your eyes at some of those comments? ( OK a couple were very fair comment). Well I've met you and you aren't that short.. getting into motorcycles is a journey and we all keep learning but making your own bike right for you is a very personal thing and sometimes it's never ending. Please keep inspiring and making us laugh with you along the way.
Hi Charlie, with regards to the forks, if you leave it as standard, with the back lowered, you should find that it is more stable in long sweeping corners but will not change from one side to the other as fast, now on a sports bike that would be a problem but on Rodger if you’re happy with the way he handles I wouldn’t sacrifice any more ground clearance, he’s a trail bike not a street fighter, all the best 👍
As you only dropped the rear 20mm, I think that your ground clearance is reduced by about 10mm only. So no big deal. Have fun!! Don't wait too long with renewing your chain and sprocket(s). When a chain is too tight it causes extra wear on the bearing of the drive shaft of your front sprocket.
Simply great. I had to do it the exact opposite, 85 cm of legs, highten the seat for 5 cm, and now it is perfect for me, 187 cm tall. Best greetings from Stefano, Stuttgart, Germany.
PS: I discovered you now and I am looking through all your videos. Very genuine and very precious hints and tips. Wish you the best Charlie, ride safe and greetings to Roger from my "Cavaletta", Italian name, as I am an Italian living in Germany. 😊
My 48 yr of motorcycle maintenance tip which I use for chain cleaning. Buy 5l of parrafin off e bay or amazon. Get some detailing brushes. Couple big cardboard boxes opened out to put under chain area to soak up parrafin, dirt and lube. Wipe chain with parafffin soaked rag. Put in sandwich bag and reuse whenever. Paraffin in container then use detailing brushes to work into chain. I have tried many methods and imo this is easiest fastest and best. Do as many times as needed, will also stop corrosion. Then allow to dry 1hr. Wipe with clean cloths then save as before. Apply your preferred lube.. .Do not get paraffin on brake discs/pads/tyresetc.great for cleaning oil off rear wheel too with a rag.
I have never lowered the rear of a bike but have dropped one at the front a vfr 800 fi it made it turn in quicker but less stable at high speeds and put it back. Ihave very long legs so I need a bike with lots leg room
Have 3 daughters too. No cure for them soz😅
I'll have to put my technical head on and try this. 😊
Hi Charlie. I haven`t read all the other comments, so I may be repeating what someone else has said. The simple way of explaining how the longer links work, is to think of it as pushing the back wheel higher into the rear wheel arch, so that when the wheel is on the floor, the wheel arch and hench the seat, is closer to the ground. Simples.
Hello, just found you in my recommendations. At 5ft. 6in. you are a bit taller than me (5ft 4.5in) I think I could manage perfectly well on your bike. Glad you could find something to suit your needs. Subbed and hit the bell icon. Cheers, take care, Norm in Yorkshire.
Hi Norm, and welcome to the channel. 😊 The Himalayan is proving to be just the best bike 😊
Greetings from down under. Well done Charlie, looking good Woger. Thanks.
Woger is wonderful
Before you replace the chain, check that the tight spot is in the same place through several revolutions. I recently saw a Royal Enfield that the sprocket, while not worn was also not round, resulting in tight spots. But the tight spots migrated on the chain because the chain wasn’t the problem 😮
Good tip, thank you. 😊
Nice one Charlie, always check your chain with the wheels on the ground.
I remember having the same stands issue when I lowered my nc750x. I bought the sorter side stand from the S model which was an easy swap. However, I couldn't get it up onto the center stand, so instead of hacking it to bits and welding it back together, I just got a scrap piece of wood to run the back wheel into, and voila!! It was easy peasy.
I cut the piece of wood short enough to fit in the frunk and took it with me wherever I went. 👍😁
Manufacturers use budget chain and sprockets. Find the tightest spot and adjust chain at that point. If the rest of the chain is to slack change everything. As for the forks, see how you feel after a loaded camping trip. If you get any wandering about then drop forks to put the weight back on the front end.
Hi charlie great videos on the lowering of the himmy there's a couple of things to consider, putting the bike on the centrestand with no luggage on is ok, but if you lower the front end as well may make it harder, and also depends on what tyres you have on and how much tread on the tyres, but that's the joy of owning a himalayan you make it to what suits you such a versatile bike take care and ride safe 👍
Everyday is a school day Charlie and total respect to you for getting stuck in. Fettle away 😉🥂
Thanks for this. Being also more or less 'the perfect height' 5'5" with an inside leg of 29", this was great info as I'm thinking about getting a RE Himalayan for my work commute, (and other adventures) into Mid Yorks Pinders Hospital.
Hi, glad it helped. 😊
You are right ,that chain looks like it is done Charlie. Over all the bike looks great.
Just a tip ..... When you get your new chain , also change the sprockets as well👍
Fantastic.
I'm still smiling 😁👍
Looking forward to a photo of the vstrom 750 😁
Another great video, if it works for you; then it works! Safe riding young lady...
I enjoyed that Charlie, and the end bit with your daughter was funny. You have a methodical approach to the various issues you encounter. I have never attempted these particular mods so I can't claim any experience in that regard. What I do know is how valuable the experience of DIY becomes as you progress through a driving and motorcycling career. You will derive a lot of satisfaction from enjoying the fruits of your labour and before long you will be helping newcomers. Enjoy safe riding.
Thank you Merv, I am very much enjoying learning as I go along. 😊
Charlie, you are awesome and have great riding friends to help you out when you need it. Really enjoy seeing the sights in part of world. I am currently waiting to get my parts back from being resprayed then my bike is on road. Glad I discovered your channel, good luck, will be waiting for next one.
Thank you, good video and info , i may now consider the new Himalayan. 5.3 and the seat height put me off. Now it is a serious consideration. Keep up the great vids ,mostly dont forget to enjoy the rides 😂
Hi Charlie it's Charlie hope your well tbh I didn't notice the upside down just go's to show how easy it is to make a mistake like that really pleased you are flat footed now bars look great 👍
Good luck with the chain if it's not too worn
Maybe a good soak overnight 🤔.
All the best
Chas.
Hi Charlie, thank you as always. Charlie. 😊
Your chain is probably serviceble, take it off clean and lubricate it then test for wear, it will be easy to find the sticking link.
Its got plenty of life in it, so use till worn and replace chain and sprockets at same time. Cheaper in the long run.
Hey Charlie. Thanks for that, after 2 years of having Harry my Himalayan and tip toeing around, you have finally given me the nudge to get it lowered. Just ordered a set of links. Cheers. Good vid.
Excellent! Hopefully you'll find like me, that it makes the world of difference! 😊
Cracking video Charlie , take care & ride safe
Always check chain tension with both wheels on the ground.
Cracking vid, esp. the ending, your editing skills are becoming awesome Charlie!
Charlie, you are awesome and have great riding friends to help you out when you need it. Really enjoy seeing the sights in part of world. I am currently waiting to get my parts back from being resprayed then my bike is on road. Glad I discovered your channel, good luck, will be waiting for next one. LOL, was added a reply by accident.
Good explanations! As regards the forks, with the rear lowered and the front at the original height, the tendency will be for the front to be a tiny bit more difficult to turn but have more stability in a straight line and the differences may not be noticeable to you. Just keep riding and smiling! 🙂
Great explanations Charlie, thank you, love the out takes
10/10 to you. Great out-takes too. I'm starting my vlogging journey...not easy but enjoying the challenge. Keep up the great and entertaining VLOGS.
Thanks! You too! 😊
I also took the rubber off my pegs. Hello from TN...
Loved the outtakes at the end, made a a gloomy weather day here brighter 🙂 As for what you've done to the bike, well if suits your needs that's all that matters. I often come across shorter riders who have lowered their bikes and they all seem to say it's changed the handling. There is another way for shorter riders, by reducing the width of the riders seat, which will then not spread the legs wider (can I say this to a lady without getting into trouble lol) making it easier to get feet on the ground fully. As for chain, although there may not seem like hooking on sprockets it's always wise to change them when fitting a new chain, I know, I'm just having to do the same on my winter bike CBF1000.
Hi Rob, the seat is pretty narrow already, much more and I think it'd be rather like sitting on a razor! 😂
@@restdayrider Hi Charlie, hopefully you can enjoy the bike more now you can flat foot the bike, as for handling, I wouldn't be concerned as your riding is sensible and careful.
Thank you Rob. 😊
Another great vid' Charlie, thank you!
Just to echo a couple of the other comments, the tight spot in your chain may be down to the rear sprocket running slightly eccentrically... It may be better to get a complete chain and sprocket set depending on how tired your chain is.
Regarding lowering the back end and handling thingy, you're right in that it may feel like Roger's turning slower but it may feel okay.
It's when you go the other way (arse up, nose down) that instability may creep in 😬
For what it's worth, I'd suggest just riding and seeing how Roger feels along with your new 'bars. If he feels a little slow in the bends then maybe slide the forks up 10mm and see how he feels and go from there.
Oh, and your face was a delightful picture when you first sat on Roger after lowering him in the last vid' 😊
Ride safe 👍
Thanks Grahame, really good tips there. 😊
What a lovely channel, greetings from 🇲🇽 🙌🏻
Thank you, welcome!
This was very helpful. I have a Himalayan rental on Mallorca I have been asked many times for a lowered version so now it's time!
Charlie, the bike will change direction more slowly now, not that much though, small adjustments like that won't be that noticeable on the road, off road where you are constantly making small corrections, is where you will notice a difference, the bike will be a little less flickable, it's all down to what you are comfortable with, great channel by the way!
Thank you Mark. 😊
I STILL have the original adjustable side stand from years ago, the ‘SUREFOOT’, brand new unused in my attic . It’s designed to clamp on lower frame rails etc.
I know that I haven't suscribed yet Charlie, but I explained in the previous video how to check the chain properly, and because you lowered it, yes it would be tighter, because the centerline of the rear axle is now more in line with the center of the swinging arm bolt and the centerline of the front or countershaft sprocket.
T.S. RACING
Great explanation and great video again. 👋 On my 2 Triumphs ( former bikes) I had to lower evereything too. Before I did that I phoned with the famous framespecialist Nico Bakker from Holland, and he told me to do so, I reckoned well.. he's the specialist, better do as he says. Like I said before not lowering the forks make them longer then before, kind of like a chopper ( not that extreme tho) The bike will be more stable in a straight line but will be harder to push into a corner. But hey if you don't feel the need to do so...cheers to you🥂🍻. Thx again Charlie for your lovely video, as usual looking forward to the next one. Grts Danny
Thanks ..I see this is a year old video but I recently got a used 22 himalayan ...It was too tall i'm 5'5" So i got the links from Hitchcocks and lowered the front 20 mm....Well it was almost impossible to get it on center. With help from my floor jack I did and my back tire was 3 inches off the ground. Way too high. My fix was to remove center stand cut 1-1/2 inches on each tube line up and reweld and had to move the lower spring pin as well. I also shortened the side stand 2 inches and it's just enough to make it a normal lean. BTW now the back tire is 1/2 inch off the ground on center stand. It is easy to use now very happy ,. thanks again.
Sounds like you made a Good fix !
good morning from here. always brightens the day seeing your post.
Thank you 😊
As always a superb value for money watch! With my own 40 year career of fitting things upside down (The first time) on motorcycles behind me, I feel qualified to say, "You're doing a fine job!"
I’ve still got an unused original Surefoot adjustable clamp on side stand in the attic. Bought it for but didn’t use it on my BMW R100R.
Thanks very much for the update, I'm going to go ahead with lowering my Himalayan I'll probably lower the forks on mine to keep the equilibrium, but as you say if it's handling OK for you probably best leave alone. Loved your out takes at the end.😂
Thanks Stuart😊
Brilliant 👍 all the best Charlie , very good answers
I own a classic 500 and love it to bits but for a long time now I've been wanting an adventure bike for longer trips. I'm obsessed with the Himalayan. I also want to do the lowering should I get one so that was a very informative vlog, thank you very much!
My Himalayan is never leaving my side. It's an absolute keeper no matter what else I get. 😊
As for the chain, check out "Fixing Uneven Chain Tension on a Motorcycle | Unexpected Cause" here on youtube.
Omgosh, the end! 🤣
I am glad you are now more comfortable on Roger. I'll be lowering my bike also this spring. And to answer the question, "Why are you buying a bigger bike if short legged?" There is not a lot of choice of adventure bikes (or bikes in general) for short people if you want to be able to be flat foot (with 2 feet)on the ground. I'm 5'2" and anything higher than 27" I can't reach the ground with my 2 feet.
Can't wait to see what you will add to Roger!
Take care!
I did struggle with the lack of choice, I think I was very lucky to find Roger to be honest. 😊
I wouldn't rush to replace the chain, its quite common to have tight spots in a chain even on a new bike and may not necessarily be the chain at fault. I would set the correct adjustment at its tightest point and see how it goes. Make sure also that there aren't any tight links in the chain, if so, lube and free off first.🙂👍
4:34: most chain bikes i've had say to check your chain tension with both wheels on the ground. ..... best of all with pilot in position. make loada difference.....
Didn't see it mentioned in either video, but if you lower the rear and not the front you might want to check and adjust the headlight aim.
It's true you learn by mistakes. I have made many tinkering with bikes over the years part of getting to know your bike. You keep it up Neil
Great watch interesting stuff and good fun too nice one 😉👌👍
Good one girl, you’re just so easy to watch, I’m 6 foot 4 so shortening is the opposite to what I look for but I found your modifications most interesting, I’d be surprised if you have to lower your steering end but you in time will be the judge of that. Keep your movies coming, you light up my day every time with your wit and your smile 😇
Thank you Geoff. 😊
Regarding front end lowering. (5' 8" - 27.5" inside leg) I had a bike that had been lowered with links at the rear, but the front was not adjustable. The handling was somewhat iffy. I did have the original links (previous owner had been a thoughtful person) and I put the standard links in. Handling was transformed. I then had to hop from side to side when riding as the seat was that bit higher. Since I did 18500 miles on the bike in the 366 days that I owned it, I did not have my feet down on the ground very often. Watch out for wobbly steering when closing the throttle under 40 mph and tipping into corners can be unnerving.
Noted, I'll keep an eye and see how it goes. 😊
Well done Charlie! Another great Vlog. Hey we all live and learn (hopefully) lets address those issues shall we.
Thanks TC. 😏
Excellent. Really enjoyed both episodes.
Great sense of humour at the end. Glad you left them in. Real life, but funny. (still running in my Meteor, must get out more)
I nearly didn't put them in,.but make me laugh every time. 😂
Hi Charlie,
Good vidéo.
As you have to change your chain and turn over the links, it might be a good idea to drop down the swing arm and grease the whole system (axel, bearings etc ). I say this because I think I heard that typical squeeky sound while you were putting the bike on the center stand. 👍
All good points. We all geting lots info from ur videos. Thanks. Makes me want try 1 for myself
Thanks for Gerald. 😊
Greetings Charlie, may I add my 2 cents. My best bikes were when the adjustments gave me the confidence of being one "with" the bike, not one "on" the bike. Just like my favorite pants, gloves, helmet, etc. And about the ending, I suggest roll with the first take, your videos show reality, not some adjusted, polished, version of life. I vote let's keep it real. Godspeed.
Thanks Larry. 😊
I learned for your injury I'm sory.Injuries that unfortunately often occur in our profesions. I wish you a good recovery and hope to see you soon on a motorcycle ✌️🇨🇵
Thank you Alain. 😊
J'ai rien à dire,oui on apprend de ses erreurs et surtout si on tente rien certain qu'on ne risque pas de faire d'erreurs mais c'est triste une passion qu'a demi vécu.....c'est toujours aussi divertissement de vous suivre dans cette passion tardive😀 et les 3 dernières prise montrent que c'est pas toujours facile de faire un vlog😁👍✌️🇨🇵
Bonjour Alain, merci pour vos commentaires. J'ai fait beaucoup d'erreurs et je continuerai probablement ! 😂
Another great vlog Charlie, you answered the questions really well. Love the out takes at the end 😅😅
Thanks Nigel 😊
Spotted the chain condition at the begining of the video before you mentioned it Charlie, have you heard the saying "the man who never made a mistake never made anything" this also applies to all genders ! But my all time favourite that I use a lot is "every day's a school day".
The himalayan has soul, messing about with it is part of the fun. So many possibilities and extra's at a low cost makes so much more possible. Those who don't test ride them or get it, well it's their loss.
I agree 100% !
That’s a cracking bike Charlie and you can play about with it and carry out loads of mods at a fairly reasonable cost.Nice one.
Thank you 😊
On my 2014 nc750x I lowered the back 30 mm but left the front stock , steering a tad heavy but not a problem, made it more stable at speed, chopped 6mm off side stand , push rear wheel up onto 25mm thick plank of wood for centre stand no problem
Good to know Julie, thank you. 😊
Well explained Charlie. Life is a learning curve. Funny ending with your daughter! Ride safe.
Thanks Marcin. 😊
When I lower a bike, as you have, I drop the front end by half as much. So for a 20mm drop at the back I drop 10mm at the front. and then test ride it to see if it feels ok. Dropping the rear end takes weight off the front and dropping the front adds weight to the front. Some sportsbike riders drop the front or raise the rear to quicken up the steering. However it is all about how the bike feels to you. You could leave it as it is and only change it if you find the bike reluctant to steer into a bend. Re the chain- That tight spot is not good. It can cause severe wear on the engine sprocket and the gearbox output shaft bearing and seal. P.S. do not try to drop the front end on your own or with someone who doesn't know how to do it. With the bike on the centre stand the weight is on the front wheel and if you undo the clamping bolts it can collapse to the ground.
Noted Dave, thank you!
I had a rusty chain on my Scram. I was using Wurth dry lube, but as the chain is not the best quality, it rusted quite quickly (even though I use it on other bikes with no problems 🤷🏻♂️). So I switched to WD40 Chain Wax, and it cleared up all the rust.
Hey Charlie, you explained it very well, and the out takes were funny 😁
If everything works properly, then it's definitely worth being able to flat foot the bike 🏍
The real test is whether it goes too wide around corners. If it doesn't all good.
If you under steers corners, then you have to lower the forks as you said, but beware, you don't lower them the same amount!
My Honda was 30mm rear and 12mm front.
So, if needed, start off 5 to 8mm.
Then check both stands again.
Best wishes Lynt
Thank you Lynt, that's helpful to know. 😊
Hi Charlie just a pointer its always best practice hto replace chain and sprockets together they wear together and replacing just the chain may cause premature wear of your new chain. 👍
Noted. 😊
Hiya, great follow up video, i've lowered my bike with the same mod, and had my side stand shortend, transformed the ride, and it's less likely to fall over when i park it, i've never touched the front forks and my bike has performed fine.
That's really good to know. 😊
On any motorcycle that has adjustable pre-load rear shocks you will gain or lose height. If you do the mathematics to determine the effect that it has on the front fork rake angle by lowering the rear it will be in the region of 1 or 2 degrees. That will have no effect on the feel of the bike in normal riding. You ride the bike, does it feel any different in the corners? if anything it will feel more stable in a straight line with no discernible difference on cornering. If so End of dilemma
Hay Charlie you will get your bike set up to what you want we all ride different what you do should be what you want Brilliant your blogs keep up with what you are doing and you are brilliant
Thanks Ronnie. 😊
See how it goes before lowering the front forks is a good decision Charlie. On a sports bike, knee down through a fast bend that 20mm may make a difference to precise handling but I doubt Roger will feel any different at 60 mph, once you get your usual camping gear with kitchen sink and double bed on board. 😆
Paaahahahaa I agree! 😊
Charlie I am 68 still don't know what I am doing maybe one day I will get it right just have to keep trying
You will notice the forks when you are on tight switchback roads, it will take a fraction longer to switch left and right. It's not a massive deal on a Himalayan, but it makes a difference on more powerful bikes. Think of it this way, you go into an S bend, lean over to go right, hit the apex, and then have to pull it over to the left. It will take longer. I had a Tiger 1050 years ago. It was too tall, so fitted a 30mm lowering kit. It was already a slow turn bike but became even slower, but I dropped the front and I had an adventure style bike that handled like any other bike. I guess it makes the most difference if you overcook it into the twisties (difficult with 27hp) and you need to flick the bike around quickly.
My cornering style is so snail that I suspect over cooking won't be an issue. 😂
Brilliant honest vlog! 👏
Hi Charlie, I think you will find if you drop the front it is half the distance that you have dropped the rear suspension.
As it didn't affect the handling at all I've left it. 😊
Being a fellow short arse I've put lowering links on a few bikes (4 I think) and I've only lowered the forks on the last one I did which was my nc750x, no handling problems on any
That's good to know. 😊
Great vlog as ever… thank for the info and entertainment 😊
Loved the out takes. 🤣
The dog legs are well used on mono shock bikes, and help us shorter riders. However...you're still tall compared to me. 😭
Ride safe, love your adventures. LJ
Brilliant Charlie, the ending made me laugh haha 🤣😂
A black Quadlock lever instead of the blue one would set the handlebars off a treat! The bike looks great!
Now there's an idea! 😊
You should always lower front and back together normally, but you have an adventure bike, you won't notice a difference unless you put it through its paces on a track.
The chain should be checked with the rear wheel on the ground or you will get a false feel to it. Tight spot ain't too good but if you soak it in wd40 or diesel it will slacken off then you can grease it. Unless of course the chain is buggered..
Hi, thanks, yeah I haven't noticed any difference in the handling by not lowering the front. 😊 The chain was replaced. 😊
Great video as usual. I wish I had 200mm, that's plenty
Thank you for the update video about the centre stand looks like it isn't any issue. I am not any suspension expert but I believe you don't actually need to lower the front as much as 20mm like the rear to level up the bike. So might be worth looking into that 20mm is quite a bit on the front forks to drop. I fitted 10mm drop shocks on my interceptor and dropped the front maybe a couple of mm and handling seems fine. Anyway ride safe and keep the videos coming even with the young lady playing you up in the back ground 😆
Thanks David. 😊
I wouldn't replace the chain as long as your adjustments are not maxed out. All chains have a tight section that's why you always measure the adjustment on the tight section. I always clean and lube my chain every 3 fill ups , it only takes about 20 minutes . Watch the Fortnine video on chain lube. I clean my chain with a spray bottle of kerosene , scrub with a chain brush wipe dry then lube with a toothbrush and gear oil. After two or three brushings you can't even taste the oil anymore. Ha ! . I've put 12,000 miles on my bike and have only needed to adjust the chain 3 times. Of course I don't ride off road so I guess that accounts for my not needing to adjust the chain as often. Correction , I originally said adjust on the slack section but take your measurements on the tight section.
Wonderful video Charlie,I can’t comment on the mods you have done if it’s right to raise or lower the front forks as I don’t have a Scooby Doo about any of that only what you just taught me! Lol But I will say ya bike looks terrific!👍🏻😎
Thank you John! 😊
Hey Charlie, I think you did a fine job of explaining what had been done 👍
You'll soon know whether or not you need to lower the front a bit too once you do a few more miles on him.
Stay safe🏍️
Ps, loved the bloopers😂🤣😂
Thanks Paul. 😊
Humour in videos. 👍
ha I am 5 foot 11 and 16 stone and I struggle to get my Himalayan on the centre stand. You seem much more able than me for sure !
I suspect it's years of carrying patients down staircases. 😂
You can simply experiment with lowering the font end by raising the forks through the fork clamps. There is a few cm of space below the fork tops and the handlebars....
Yes, it will corner (a bit) slower.
When I lowered my old Tracer 900GT by 20mm the specifield top fork yoke drop was 13mm. Really it should have stated the measurement in the lowering bones instructions.
Hitchcocks did mention it to me in the initial consultation. 😊
😂 how much did you roll your eyes at some of those comments? ( OK a couple were very fair comment). Well I've met you and you aren't that short.. getting into motorcycles is a journey and we all keep learning but making your own bike right for you is a very personal thing and sometimes it's never ending.
Please keep inspiring and making us laugh with you along the way.
Thank you Andrew, hope to catch up again some time! 😊
I put lowering shocks on my intersepter and it handled better
When you make adjustments to the geometry of the bike are you obliged to inform your insurance company as you would with a car?
Probably best to. 😊
Hi Charlie, with regards to the forks, if you leave it as standard, with the back lowered, you should find that it is more stable in long sweeping corners but will not change from one side to the other as fast, now on a sports bike that would be a problem but on Rodger if you’re happy with the way he handles I wouldn’t sacrifice any more ground clearance, he’s a trail bike not a street fighter, all the best 👍
That sounds like good advice, I'll play it by ear 😊
That was well done , there's not many bikes that fit . Enjoy.
Thank you. 😊
As you only dropped the rear 20mm, I think that your ground clearance is reduced by about 10mm only. So no big deal. Have fun!! Don't wait too long with renewing your chain and sprocket(s). When a chain is too tight it causes extra wear on the bearing of the drive shaft of your front sprocket.