The 1984 Tour | 1984 Documentary Episode 4
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The 1984 Van Halen tour marked the peak of their mainstream success, with the original lineup inching closer to their downfall. Despite grossing millions in ticket sales, the tour exposed cracks within the band. The tour featured a massive stage setup, new performance elements, and MTV's highly successful "Lost Weekend" contest. Behind the scenes, substance abuse and egos were causing turmoil. The band members' struggles and conflicts culminated in the possible mistreatment of Michael Anthony, leading to a change in his contract terms. David Lee Roth's solo endeavors further strained relations. The Monsters of Rock tour in Europe marked the last time the original Van Halen lineup would perform together. The tour's success and backstage issues symbolized Van Halen's rise and fall.
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00:00 - Intro to Episode 4, The 1984 Tour
00:21 - Van Halen starts a merchandising company
01:13 - Noel Monk scores a sponsorship deal for Van Halen’s 1984 tour
02:45 - Van Halen promotes the Western Exterminator Company
03:12 - David Lee Roth responds to the sponsorship topic
03:33 - Building the 1984 tour
04:46 - Van Halen introduces new elements to their show
05:30 - Eddie Van Halen patents a piece of guitar gear
06:07 - The only place to buy Van Halen merch
06:18 - Autograph opens for Van Halen
07:05 - MTV’s Lost Weekend promotion
09:03 - Where have all the good times gone?
09:44 - Noel Monk lays out the darker side of the 1984 tour
11:36 - DEA Band (Drugs, Ego, Alcohol)
13:01 - Van Halen wants to renegotiate their contract with Mike
13:39 - Are bass players important?
14:00 - A new contract with Michael Anthony
14:26 - Was Billy Sheehan offered the bass player job?
14:46 - Were Alex, Ed, and Roth jealous of Michael Anthony?
15:08 - Or was the new contract fair?
15:37 - Edward Van Halen speaks on the Anthony situation
17:02 - Late breaking news on Michael Anthony and the contract
17:25 - Sammy Hagar speaks
17:48 - David Lee Roth makes a solo record
19:07 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Beat It.
20:15 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Brian May
21:38 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Seduction of Gina
21:52 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: The Wild Life
22:42 - Was there anything wrong with Eddie doing all these side gigs?
23:49 - How David Lee Roth decided he wanted to do a solo record
24:39 - When the band found out about Roth’s solo project
25:39 - The 1984 Monsters of Rock tour
26:47 - Ross Halfin’s not-favorable story with Eddie Van Halen
27:55 - The last time Van Halen’s original line-up plays together
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00:00 - Intro to Episode 4, The 1984 Tour
00:21 - Van Halen starts a merchandising company
01:13 - Noel Monk scores a sponsorship deal for Van Halen’s 1984 tour
02:45 - Van Halen promotes the Western Exterminator Company
03:12 - David Lee Roth responds to the sponsorship topic
03:33 - Building the 1984 tour
04:46 - Van Halen introduces new elements to their show
05:30 - Eddie Van Halen patents a piece of guitar gear
06:07 - The only place to buy Van Halen merch
06:18 - Autograph opens for Van Halen
07:05 - MTV’s Lost Weekend promotion
09:03 - Where have all the good times gone?
09:44 - Noel Monk lays out the darker side of the 1984 tour
11:36 - DEA Band (Drugs, Ego, Alcohol)
13:01 - Van Halen wants to renegotiate their contract with Mike
13:39 - Are bass players important?
14:00 - A new contract with Michael Anthony
14:26 - Was Billy Sheehan offered the bass player job?
14:46 - Were Alex, Ed, and Roth jealous of Michael Anthony?
15:08 - Or was the new contract fair?
15:37 - Edward Van Halen speaks on the Anthony situation
17:02 - Late breaking news on Michael Anthony and the contract
17:25 - Sammy Hagar speaks
17:48 - David Lee Roth makes a solo record
19:07 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Beat It.
20:15 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Brian May
21:38 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: Seduction of Gina
21:52 - Eddie Van Halen’s side projects: The Wild Life
22:42 - Was there anything wrong with Eddie doing all these side gigs?
23:49 - How David Lee Roth decided he wanted to do a solo record
24:39 - When the band found out about Roth’s solo project
25:39 - The 1984 Monsters of Rock tour
26:47 - Ross Halfin’s not-favorable story with Eddie Van Halen
27:55 - The last time Van Halen’s original line-up plays together
THIS SUCKS For anyone who was actually THERE. Boring narrative, NOT ROCK n ROLL at all. BYE. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
Thanks for putting these together, way cool & much appreciated.
I'm confused. I see episode 1, then it jumps to episode 3? and this is four? What happened to 2? What am I missing?
@@ChewyToeNails I don't know why/how, but it's on DLR's page. It's about the US Festival concert. Just as good as the others!
ua-cam.com/video/13JrKjGBnHA/v-deo.html
Thank you for this. This is heaven sent for the true VH fans who miss the good old days.
Michael Anthony is a great guy and musician and between his bass playing and tremendous background vocals he contributed plenty to the band.
Agree 10000%.
yes
His high backup vocals were integral to the overall sound.
VH wouldn't have been the same without him and I think Eddie knew that. If Mike was as bad a player as Eddie said, they wouldn't have kept him in the band when they were looking for record deals. And also, if they got Billy Sheehan in the band, it would have tanked. As good as he is (I for one think his bass tone sucks), having a bass player doing the same things the guitarist can do just doesn't seem right. Back then, it was all about the guitar hero in a band. The bassist was just there to lay down the groove and keep it going. That's why Steve Harris of Iron Maiden is my favorite bass player. He doesn't do anything fancy. He just keeps the song moving.
@@SilentKnight43 Absolutely
No wonder Mike values Sammy’s friendship so much.
And no wonder Sammy is loyal to Mike. Mike is a straight up good dude. 🤘🍻
Mike needs to write his own book!!! He is too good of a human being that’s why he has not done it! I would really love to hear what he has to say
@@michaeladamo6279 He’d never taint the VH legacy bad mouthing the others. He’s the only one who wouldn’t.
@@TheTapesArchive And wayyyyyy better than the Van Halens gave him credit for. He was an integral part of the sound of not the writing process. He makes any band he is in sound better.
And would any of his musical input suggestions even be listened to? I suspect they’d be dismissed out of hand.
@@johnwestcott5612 I was saying that just to tell his side of the story. His truth, my put bed light on the others. whose fault is that? I still love the band as a whole.
Mike’s vocals are INTEGRAL to the sound of the band. Plus he’s an awesome dude.
The band's anchor, for sure. He really got the shiznit end of the stick.
@@jeffreyrumbold9363 I disagree... Wolfie did the tour of all that old VH material and I can't say that their backing vocals suffered it was Daves vocal that had suffered lol.. Sammy himself says that Ed basically told him what to play and Ed could have easily tracked the bass parts on his own or hired a session player to track the songs and used a hired gun for the live shows... basically most bands do not share royalties on publishing and the actual song writers usually take this credit... MA enjoyed a hell of a ride.. let's face it he was the bass player of the best band in the world.. drank a ton of jack and banged groupies waaaaaaay above his pay grade... I think that's why he takes the high road.. he knew he was a lucky fucker!
@@harcorepokernetwork5468 I respect your opinion, but still hold to my own.
Probably speaks to my dislike of change
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True, his voice hi range is very rare. I do agree that song composers in a band should get a bigger (but not too big) share of the royalties but MA & AVH were an amazing anchor so Eddie could what ever he wanted.
MAs vocals always sounded like he was in the wrong band
I met the whole band in 1989 and Michael Anthony was the nicest guy on the planet . Talk to me like he knew me for years . He’s the whole back ground vocals of the band lol
I had the same experience with him in 96. Treated me like his brother.
I have more respect for Micheal Anthony than ever. What a strange partnership his endured. It’s a testament to the class he has shown to this day. Thanks for the video!
Me too....
He is a nice guy but he also got a helluva deal by getting 1/4th of the publishing rights for playing bass.
@@Riley512*playing bass on SOME songs lol.
@@Riley512 More than playing bass. His backing harmonies made VH as much as the other's contributions
I always wondered why they didn't just make it a 5-man band and have Mike and Wolf trade off on bass and keys or something like that. Mike's backing vox were the best!
Michael Anthony is, was, and always will be a great musician and person!!!!
I heard on the DL, besides Sammy he has the most money too, cuz he invested it right.
@@TheTapesArchiveAnd....... he didn't piss it away. 😉
@@TheTapesArchiveeddie said he invested in Disneyland back in the 80s 😅
@@TheTapesArchive Eddie had a net worth of between $100-$150 million, Mike's is somewhere around $75 million
@@claytoncarey2730I heard SAMMY with his CABO WABO stuff has the most money of all…..I’ve heard he has 250 ZILLION….He has a house with bedroom and guest rooms in DIFFERENT TIME ZONES….The TAPS run fresh SPRINGWATER ,,,and apparently the BOG THRONE is SOLID GOLD…lol…And the staircase is so big it has an ESCALATOR…and apparently the guest chair has a built in EJECTOR SEAT like Connery’s Aston Martin DB5 to JETTISON any visiting rude ROCK JOURNALISTS…..lol
Dang... Michael Anthony didn't deserve all that nonsense.
His bass playing is good, but his backup vocals are amazing!
Thats the VH sound. Those high backup vocals.
Egos suck.
He should of never gotten the same as ED n Dave.
Why didn’t he write some songs then ?
@@MrMike-fm8bp why didn't Alex?
Didn’t have too band has his name on it
Greed is a real thing.
Ego is a real thing.
I think in the background during the Sammy years , Ed may have been jealous of the friendship between Mike and Sammy . Those two are down to earth dudes and I’m sure Mike Anthony is enjoying jamming with him now a days . God bless Mike Anthony , I met him once on an airplane flight from SF to LA and he was as gracious to me as can be .
You're very lucky. He certainly seems like a great guy. Fine musician and singer; deserved better than he got.
Think about it - what the heck does Sammy have to prove to anyone? What a career he's had, so yup, makes good sense the two would hit it off... at least to me it makes good sense.
I believe like most things Edward, his insecurities haunted him, along with whatever mental illnesses he may have suffered from. When people were not kissing Ed's ass, it was cause for anger I'm afraid. Look at all the people that liked Ed, were in essence father figures but didn't kiss his ring or he was jealous of: Randy Rhoads, Noel, Ted, Dave, Sammy, Rosen, Andrew Bennett, Valerie even...once anyone disagreed with him, he talked crap about or fired or wrote off. Once Sam and Mikey clicked, it wasn't Ed and Sam anymore, it was 2 vs. 2 when crap hit the fan. Ed didn't like that Sam wanted to do other projects but he (Ed) kept doing his own (Rich Wyman and Private Life come to mind). Look at Ed during the time he wrote Mikey off: Does anyone blame MA for not wanting to be around Ed and Alex 24/7? For all the 'no one knows how hard I work', Ed didn't do anything for over a decade except jam on old VH tunes! Mickey did the right thing, he partnered up with Sam who has always given MA his due.
That’s awesome! Mike and Sammy have always seemed like really down to earth guys.
@@RichardGutierrezRG Dude , what you just wrote is the biggest crock of shit ever . You know absolutely nothing about VH . None of what you wrote is true .
ED doesn't give two shits about what you talked about . The fact is M. Anthony chose to quit VH and go with Sammy , end of story .
The VH brothers treated him very well .
Michael was Awesome and without his voice and backing vocals Van Halen wouldn't have sounded as great as they did. I never knew they treated Michael like that. His bass playing on Women and Children first is some of the best bass ever recorded in Rock.
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'Runnin with the Devil' wouldn't have been nearly as spooky cool without MA's bg vocals. He added so much with his vocal tone that it became a signature sound of the band. DLRoth speaks of 'sonic quality' in relation to which producer etc etc. The sonic vibe of MA's vocals is in a big way why VH sounds so frickin good on a good car audio system...!IMHO Peace!
@davidwcopus wow I was just looping that song on my boom box those background vocals on the chorus are the best.
Yeah but like it appears the other guys did all the heavy lifting and Anthony gets a big slice. That might fester if how ALEX explains Warners told them the band still owed 3 million after I think the 4th record. What rip off for such a hard working and iconic supergroup
Dude!! I'm the One? Stellar bass line.
So Ed wrote the music, Dave wrote the lyrics, Al and Mike did neither yet only Mike gets the shaft? Got it…..🤦♂️
It's only because of Al's last name that he got to side with Ed. Apparently Ed always had it out for Mike, and Al said he just went along with whatever Ed said.
@@christopherweise438 yeah I know. I can understand him being pissed off doing the work but that’s what they originally agreed to. Either Mike tried to have input over the music and got shot down and gave up or he never bothered in the first place. Treating him differently to Al though is a pretty shitty way to behave. Always thought Ed was better than that.
@@nickgodfrey1148 - I always did too.......but I've now heard too many stories to ignore it.
I have also heard that once Ed got off the booger sugar and booze he mellowed quite a bit. Perhaps that was adding to some misplaced aggression.
@@christopherweise438 Yea, a lot of people have two sides to them. The bad side generally being suppressed, both by the good side and no utility in the bad side. Alcohol and drugs can negate that suppression. I suspect most of the maltreatment Ed ever dished out was ONLY when he was under the influence of something which, at different points, was probably almost all the time.
@@TylerFromKansas - I hear ya.
I became a completely different person when i drank......and he wasn't somebody that people wanted to be around. Eventually....i didn't like him either.
The way Anthony was treated was unconscionable. He was an essential element of the classic Van Halen sound his backing vocals and solid bass playing are irreplaceable. Best wishes Mike!
Check out Nole Monk's book. He was the Manager up to 1984. It will give you some insight on all band members.
Writing a song requires greater skill then just singing back ups and playing music you didn't even have to think about creating. That is cover band level musician. He didn't deserve the same money as the other. Nor did Alex really. Dave actually should have been paid more then the rest of them for he wrote all lyrics, melody lines and all the countless interviews promoting the band, while the others didn't even do half the interviews Dave did.
I definitely agree on your Alex reference...Although, I did hear Sammy mention recently that Alex and Eddie painstakingly worked out the rhythm parts. They were very creative and unorthodox.
There are a lot of tunes wouldn't have had the success without contributions and ideas of the so called non-writers. They didn't just show up and say "What do I play guys?" They created their parts, and likely helped arrange the song. A lot of times, the writers won't let anyone else contribute...too many cooks in the kitchen, or just greed.
This is why bands should sort the publishing immediately. Van Halen did, then changed the rules for Michael. This is what I got from the Nole Monk book. I'm going to give it a second read to be sure.
@@pal4597 well said
Eddie has always been and always will be one of my biggest inspirations as a guitarist and music fan BUT man oh man some of this was just so sad and frustrating to hear . Michael Anthony was absolutely crucial to that classic Van Halen sound . Drugs and alcohol can ruin the best of people . Great stuff once again the tapes archive can’t wait for this to continue!!
EVH was just a mean, angry drunk. Some people get happy when they're high but Eddie was the opposite.
Don't judge him by his worst moments. It's the nature of addiction, to say nothing of the fact that none of these guys were born with MBAs. The music business is a huge learning curve for attorneys and agents, let alone musicians.
@@chatsworthosbornejr sometimes a person needs to examine his life at middle age. I see some defects in EVH personality it's pretty clear I think his nature is quiet dedicated and nice human being. No one can live such a unique and checkered life as the guitar God he became and not have issues that are ongoing. Maybe ALEX would understand he was in the trenches the whole time but I can't imagine the highs and lows and pressures of such a famous musician. But I'm curious and van hslen is my age. He is my people he is my era to the year and I'm a musician also and lover of old school metal. They are on a pedestal like it or not
Unfortunately, it seems like cigarettes got the best of EVH in the end. The body can withstand periods of drugs and alcohol, but he was always smoking in every show, and every interview I ever saw. You can hear his voice really change from chronic smoking by the early 2000s. Very sad!
@@erictolman3417 well said man. I hope he finally found peace from his addictions. Such a tough battle
Michael Anthony's voice is an integral sound of VH. He also is a solid bad ass bassist.
Damn straight - so underrated...
Just like Dusty
His back-up vocals completely made the VH sound. Without those back-up harmonies, VH would have almost been ordinary.
My only complaint about Michael was his image looked liked a hard drinking jr college student with a weight problem. He was a little out of step the whole time. No problem with his basslines or backup singing.
I've always called him the key ingredient
I was thinking Dave put a stop to it, but Alex didn’t like the music being used. I think he should have looked at the quality of your work, the fan response and thanked you for making it. He doesn’t understand that newer generations need to be shown this stuff to get into it. Keep up the great work and don’t let the bastards get you down Alan
Dave supports his work, that’s why one of the videos is hosted on his YT channel. Warners and Alex were/are the problem.
Yeah Dave reposted one of the episodes on his channel. Alex is simply a prick.
The great thing about Michael Anthony, besides just being a really nice guy, is that I have never seen him publicly say anything derogatory about the band, except maybe referring to problems the brothers faced with alcohol abuse. To this day, he is positive about it. And look at where he is... and worth 50-70 million, the coolest gig jamming with his true friend (and another quality human) Sammy Hagar. They both have the respect of the entire industry.
Anthony Quit VH to be with Sammy . The VH brothers gave him a choice stay with us or go with Sammy and he went with Sammy .
I love the shot of the tickets @7:28 showing $12.50 as the price. I can't understand how anyone affords a concert ticket these days when nosebleed and limited view seats are going for $100 and up.
Eagles farewell concert tickets start at 300
@@MrMike-fm8bp The Eagles were apparently the first to charge over $100 for some tickets for the Hell Freezes Over tour in 94. I think I paid $50 or $60 and thought this was a once in a lifetime show, so why not? I was so wrong.
I’m not paying that sum of money. I’ll wait for their DVD or other UA-cam vids. Yes I’m cheap
And most of those ridiculous ticket prices are of a band far out of their prime. You're now paying for the eye candy behind and to the sides of the stage and the novelty of seeing a real popular act that aren't playing half as good as they did 30+ years ago.
Well yeah, but adjusting for inflation, that ticket would be like $36. 😂😂😂
Michael Anthony's backing vocals carried Roths live singing. I saw them on this tour. BTW, Autograph was a decent opening band. I had just never heard any of their songs. They had a hit later that year with Turn up the Radio, which I still hear on classic rock radio occasionally.
People forget that the lead singer of Autograph was in a band called Wolfgang back in the club days and according to Dubrow, they (Wolgang) would blow VH and QR off the stage as far as popularity and ticket sales! I believe that people also forget that VH was not big on the Strip, and they had trouble booking gigs and it wasn't until they started doing shows outside of Hollywood that VH attracted attention. I'm sure that DLR knew Plunkett from those days and had seen him and Wolfgang perform.
Nobody cared about Van Halen after David left.
I saw this tour too. Still have pics unseen by the public
Same.
Noel Monk was a Diamond. I chatted with him on FB occasionally, and once he sent me a signed copy of his Sex Pistols book TWELVE DAYS ON THE ROAD. He didn’t ask me for a dime.
Van Halen…imo they had 4 things going for the band. The guitar work, the flamboyant front man, the immediately recognizable drum beats and the high notes that clearly came through in the voice harmonies. This was documentary was awesome…
It's funny that Eddie complained that Michael didn't write anything. Eddie's ego back then would have rejected any ideas offered to him by anyone other than Alex. Maybe Mike knew this and that's why he didn't bother trying to offer ideas.
Yeah. If he had of written anything I bet they would have taken the credit anyway. I wonder how many times MA kept rehearsals and writing sessions moving because he was the only diplomat in the band. I would bet that without MA the band would have imploded much faster.
@@mancuniancandidatem And without his vocals, VH just wouldn't have been the same. I heard that when Mike's infant grandson died, Eddie never offered any condolences. No wonder Mike didn't seem upset in the video he did with Sammy when they posted about Eddie's death.
And without van halen ma would of been nothing!
@@JoeR203Yes, his vocals made the songs. I also think his bass playing is fantastic. He came from that Tim Bogert school of classic rock bass and anything demanding more attention would have upset the balance of the Van Halen sound. That being said his bass playing on some of those old demos is outstanding. He was definitely tamed down, probably at the request of Ted Templeman on those early albums.
EVH used to be my hero. I was one of many obsessed with this band, but the more I hear about EVH, the less I appreciate him. He never stopped minimising everybody else contributions, not just in his own band, but also with other musicians , particularly guitarists. Every interview where he was asked about other guitarists would go like "he's good but......".
He had so many people telling him how great he was, I think he still believed it, long after he stopped being great.
I just listened to his soloing on the Tim Bogart track mentioned in this video. Awful stuff. Also, his appearance with Simon and Garfunkel at the Bridge Benefit. Dreadful playing. He either had pickled his mind with alcohol at that stage, or maybe his lead playing was just was never that good (blasphemy I know). When ever he would jam with other people in a contex outside of Van Halen, he tried to play minor pentatonic over everything. It's like he doesn't know where to find the major pentatonic or major scale.haha. Even I know how to do that and I'm a drummer.
He was amazing in his own band, but he definitely needed them, and they were lucky that they were hugely successful. He wouldn't have made it on his own let's say as a session musician or even a song writer.
@@jehudavis5422 wrong, he has everything those guys didn;t: good sense and a healthy family life, and peace of mind for being a stand up guy
Mike was the secret to the VH sound! Listen to his badass bass parts on Fair Warning, such great feel and swing and his iconic vocals were always pitch perfect.
Eddie played all the bass parts on FAIR WARNING, hate to break it to you
Writing a song requires greater skill then just singing back ups and playing music you didn't even have to think about creating. That is cover band level musician. He didn't deserve the same money as the other. Nor did Alex really. Dave actually should have been paid more then the rest of them for he wrote all lyrics, melody lines and all the countless interviews promoting the band, while the others didn't even do half the interviews Dave did.
Whenever I see or read comments from Eddie, I'm reminded of the old proverb, "Never meet your heroes." Regardless, what he did with a guitar is untouchable. No one has ever had his unique combination of groove, bravura, and SOUND.
I stumbled into touring with VH in 1982. The cracks were already apparent then, as the three married guys and their wives hung out socially and did things together while Dave partied alone with the crew. VH was 24/7 gig for him, 2 hours + a sound check for the other guys, at least what I saw. (All of them were extremely nice to me, btw. Mike introduced me to his brother and parents, I played cards with his mom in Vegas and was FB friends with his bro. Super nice people. Mike, when we met, offered to get me a beer. I was 19, totally freaking out - a rock star bringing me a drink, wow.)
But Noel told me his publisher told him to pick a hero - he couldn’t write sht about all 4 of them. So he obfuscated any incriminating stories about Mike. All the guys in the band were full-on rock stars. There were no angels.
As people, it’s apparent that Alex, Eddie and Dave were/are assholes. It’s tough to realize your heroes aren’t what you once thought they were. It’s stunning to me they won’t let you release the original version of this fantastic tribute to them.
And the biggest asshole of all was Dave
Autograph opened in Charleston Wva and by that time turn up the radio was out on the airwaves- so they did well.I still have my tickets from those days- thanks Mom:)
Wow. They treated Mike like a farm animal. He contributed a lot.
because he looks at that time like a 🐷 hehehehe, is a joke, i love Mike and i got a serious issues with the real 🐷 Wolfgang.
Writing a song requires greater skill then just singing back ups and playing music you didn't even have to think about creating. That is cover band level musician. He didn't deserve the same money as the other. Nor did Alex really. Dave actually should have been paid more then the rest of them for he wrote all lyrics, melody lines and all the countless interviews promoting the band, while the others didn't even do half the interviews Dave did.
Michael had a pretty hot wife too. Lol
I lost so much respect for VH after I found out how they treated Michael Anthony.
I and other VH fans have never gotten over the way they treated Michael. Even in death he still speaks well of Edward who essentially stabbed him in the back & belittled him whenever he could. Reading that in Monk's book and hearing this again still makes my blood boil. Fuck all three of them for this. Did he write music? No but ask any VH fan about the VH signature sound & we all talk about Mike's background vocals, harmonies & stage presence. He's as much a part of their sound and success as David & Eddie. I am getting mad just thinking about this. Love you Mike. Long live CannonMouth.
Yes there were some things Ed said things particularly on say Howard
Stern’s show which were awful to Mike….Ed shouldn’t have done that.
M Anthony decided to quit VH and go with Sammy . This notion that Ed and Alex fucked over Anthony is 100% bullshit .
@@2216sammy I don’t know if Mike quit VH decisively actually. For a long time I think Mike wasn’t even sure what his position was in VH. He wasn’t being clearly informed where the land lay on the issue….Especially after Wolfgang started to come into the picture with his rise as a talent.
@@2216sammy It is true that Mike did kind of go with Sammy after the start of the 21st Century…..When Sammy departed in 1996 Mike was totally on the brothers side when Gary Cherone came into the picture with VH 3 and on the album tour….But during the 2002 Sam and Dave ex VH singers tour everything changed. Mike became very antsy to be on tour and play the material live and the only way he could do that was to move away from the brothers and towards Sammy.. Which made Mike more of a subsequent outsider.
@@2216sammy Are you serious? Eddie kicked Mike to the curb for his son. Really stop
Autograph got run off the stage in Nashville too under an endless barrage of bottles. Most of those bottles were empty whisky bottles that had been smuggled into Municipal Auditorium. I'm pretty sure they only sold beer inside the venue. The crowd was lit for sure. It was my first major rock concert and Van Halen were rock gods to me. Still the best concert I've ever seen.
Same with Lakeland Fl. We didn't even know there would be an opener until the set up on the stage looked like a club band set up. I was 18 stoned & confused about that for a couple minutes I couldn't figure out why it looked nothing like VH's stage set.
@@Diggerdog2ndHa hAhA HAA hAhA ha...... that's funny. 😂👍
Van Halen’s equipment got to memphis late and Autograph did not even play.
In Hartford they were well received, nobody threw anything at them- they did pretty well considering
Lucky , I wish I could've got tickets but the computer broke down then the 2nd show sold out in 45 minutes when we were driving home from CTC outlet 😡
Sucks how they treated Michael. Noel's book is a real eye opener. Thanks for posting these videos.
I lost a lot of respect for them after reading that book...
Coming face to face with my 1984 tour blueprints on tv was a bit trippy. Thanks for yet another awesome episode…😎🎸
Are those your blueprints? For real?
@@TheTapesArchiveI bought them in the Noel Monk Backstage Auction a while ago, along with some other stuff…😊
19:35 according to Steve Lukather, Eddie had the tapes sent to him at 5150 so he could overdub a solo. He cut the tape and that ruined the backing track because it couldn’t be synced up after that. So, they kept the solo and had to reconstruct the backing track from the little bit of bleed they could hear in the vocal takes. Quincy worked a long time on those vocal tracks and wanted to keep them. So, they rebuilt the backing track around the solo and vocals. You can find the video on UA-cam of him talking about it. Also, the Sunset Sound podcast is gold for Van Halen fans
Right, but Lukather is misremebering the part about sending it to 5150. 5150 was not done when the Beat It solo was recorded. To be fair it was a looong time ago. :) I agree Sunset Sound has a great podcast.
@@TheTapesArchive I was talking to people in the comments of the Sunset Sound podcast & there was a great deal of contradicting opinions about how the Beat it solo was recorded but I think Steve may have got the chronology wrong on it being recorded at 5150....But possibly Steve was talking not about THE 5150 studio but what Steve called -'The ORIGINAL'5150 studio' 4 track bedroom where as musicians he & Ed hung out in BEFORE the actual 5150 was built.
@@walterevans2118Ok, that makes a little more sense.
@@TheTapesArchive Chris Gill confirmed that 5150 was not built and functional yet at that time.
Chris Gill confirmed that 5150 was not built and functional yet at that time.
FANTASTIC. The sad part about this Michael Anthony made the Van Halen "sound" with his vocals and stage presence. You don't have to write songs to make valuable contributions to the band. Fortunately for Michael, his value to Van Halen was noticed by true fans when Wolfie took over. Over time, his high road strategy has "won" the hearts and minds of Van Halen fans.
I witnessed Eddie's sad side first hand at NAMM show 2003? 2004? Peavy built Eddie a beautiful clear jam room for special guests to play his Wolfgang guitars. Eddie showed up looking like a homeless bag lady. He immediately headed up stairs at the Peavy booth. Hours went by and Eddie was way over his time. My good friend who is in a famous band, took me upstairs to find out what the issue was, and the Peavy guy said Eddie is trying to re-negotiate his Peavy deal right here, right now (no pun intended) or he's not going to play. He told us...we're telling Eddie we have no problem re-negotiating, but today isn't the time. A solid 3 hours later, Eddie finally emerged. He held a Wolfgang guitar and talked about taking a more hands on approach to the build quality, he played 10 seconds of Eruption and then proceeded to noodle on the guitar and he left. It was the biggest let down. I'm surprised there wasn't a riot.
yep he was fried, and never should have embarrassed himself with any peavey garbage
Those were his worst years.
I saw Eddie play during that time too, and I was seriously considering leaving early. He was terrible.
@@themobseat 100%. The reunion tour with Sammy was HORRIBLE.
@@AnonYmous-jp8uu the Peavey gear was/is way better than the current EVH/Fender gear.
Once again, you did a great job, Alan!! You put your heart into this project. Many thanks for that!!
Right on! Thanks for saying that! One more episode to go and I can take a break. 🤘🍻
I can see why Sammy always Defends Michael.👍
Funny how Alex and Eddie always kept talking shit about Dave for years, and yet they treated Michael like garbage. And Mike, being the genuinely nice guy he is, put up with it. Of course, Dave also treated him badly, but some of Eddie's comments over the years were disgraceful re: Mike.
The Tapes Archive. REALLY well done. Thanks! Brought back great memories.
Eddie, a few years before: "I don't think about money.
Eddie in 1984: "why should Michael get paid the same as the rest of us."
I guess he did think about money after all....
vh gotta keep that money for more cocaine
Yes..very contradictory...On one hand He turned down millions by not accepting sales points for Beat it but was mad all the while that Mikey was getting money that should've been His ? ..Coke & Alcohol made a nasty Man out of Him by that stage.He also made some very nasty comments in a Guitar World interview bout Randy Rhoads after He died that seemed ludicrous, the interview audio is UA-cam.
@@AnonYmous-jp8uu That probably explains a lot.
@@andrewbroughton65 I've always been a bigger Ozzy fan than VH. I was just never big on Roth or Hagar but always liked Eddies playing. I know there is one interview where Eddie comes off as insecure when the interviewer brought up Randy. Eddie goes off on a tangent about Rhoads copying everything he did etc. I recall Ed wanting to get some kind of reaffirmation from the interviewer, and to the guys credit, he told Ed that Rhoads was doing his own thing and the two had different styles.
Now if I had to pick between Quiet Riot and VH, I'd definitely go with VH. Once Randy got with Ozzy, his playing really started coming into his own and was a lot different than the more bluesy type of groove rock that Eddie was doing. There were far more other players trying to rip off both guys in the coming years, where most fell flat and just ended up sounding like each other. Randy started to win guitar player polls in the early 80's so maybe EVH felt a bit slighted and saw him as competition. Rhoads always talked highly of Eddies playing but found his personality a bit questionable. This seems to be a common theme
The original VH always has been and will always be my favorite band. Noel Monk commented in his book “Running with the Devil” that he wished VH would have taken 1-2 year break after 1984 tour. Hoping that some separation and rehab would let them recharge since they had been going non-stop since 1978. Their break up was a combination of to much drugs, alcohol, & ego.
Saw them in 84 at the LA forum....they didn't even look at each other and stayed on opposite sides of the stage
I was there too!. Wasn’t Grand funk railroad the opening act ?.
I was 17 & saw the 1984 concert. It was there I realised Michael was
just as much a part of Van Halen as any of the other members.
That AI voice of Dave freaks me out how spot on it sounds, besides the mannerisms
It is Strange.
There goes recordings in court.
Ed's issues with Mike were first made public back in a 1980 "lost interview" where Ed said "At least Dave pulls his weight. Mike does nothing. He's bought a Porsche Carrera off the money he's made off of us. Whatever." To me, Mike's voice is just as much a part of VH as Ed's guitar playing and Alex's unmistakable drum sound, (especially his snare). All three of those components made the VH sound! Another great video! Aa far as Roth and Mike, I do know that theres a story out there about an inebriated Mike going into Dave's dressing room on the 2002 "Sam and Dave" Tour and ripping into him. Exactly what Mike had to say has not been made public, so there's no way of knowing what aggravated him, but I'd just about bet that it was Dave's primadonna attitude over the years
where is that interview? sources please
@@sodica81Sorry, I was off on the year. It's 1982 Guitar World with Steve Rosen. Here's an exact quote by EVH regarding Michael: "He doesn't do anything, he has no input whatsoever. Period. But he has remodeled his whole house and bought himself a Turbo Carrera off the money's he's made off of us. Whatever."
Another one regarding the bass being "almost non-existent" on the records, as stated by Steven Rosen. EVH's response: "...Ill tell you the honest to God fucking truth- that since day one, I never liked Mike's sound and I could never hear him. I can never hear him when we play. Period."
@@JokersWild70well not being able to hear Mike’s bass in the mix wasn’t Mike’s fault. It was the people doing the mix …ie Mr. Templeman
Or even possibly Donn Landee
If you mean on the Road to Cabo film I don’t remember MIKE going for Dave backstage…I remember SAMMY going for Dave.
Anthony was the quintessential backing vocalist to ROTH, who was a marginal singer.
Damn man these are the best Van Halen Documentaries I’ve ever seen!!..I’ve always been curious about the band in 83-84 then any other time and could never find that much..This info is GOLD!!.Thanks for all the time you put into these!..Can’t wait for the next one!
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6:12
I am confused...
You can give them promo of their site, but they won’t allow you to use parts of videos?
Am i missing something here?
Is that fair?
Someone please explain.
@@iliafigueroa4820 That site is ran by a longtime fan. He's been very supportive of this project.
@@TheTapesArchive
The van halen vault is not an official vh estate thing?
The VHstore.com is not. It's ran by the same guy that runs VHnews@@iliafigueroa4820
It’s clear as day now all these decades later that Michael Anthony was the only member of the original VH that was relatively secure in himself as a musician and a human being. It’s with hindsight with all the other three’s behaviour, insecurity is what drove them which gave us some amazing music, but was also responsible for addictions(drugs, alcohol, having their ego stroked) and to behave as horrible human beings towards someone who didn’t share their deficiencies. MA has every right to talk shit about about them but never has, which further reflects on his character.
In early 1984, I won 2 front row tickets to the Buffalo,NY 1984 show. I was 12 about to turn 13. Also included a limo ride to and from the concert and a free dinner at "The Cloister" steak house in Buffalo. During the concert, Eddie handed me a guitar pick (which I still have). It was an amazing night!
Great job again!! Btw-@ 17:40 Sammy wrote in his book that Michael Anthony voted against himself regarding royalties- Sam & the manager voted for Mike - EVH & AVH against
This is freaking classic! Well done! Funny and great info
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Great job...keep em coming. VH should thank you for boosting their stream count. I'm sure every time you release a video they see a bump in listens to their catalog. If they give you push back, just "Eat Em and Smile." Thank you..very entertaining. Two thumbs up!
I saw VH on the 1984 tour here in Vegas. 14 yrs old and in heaven. My 1st and last seeing the OG lineup.
The Velcros opened and had zero stage show and were easily forgettable.
I remember at the end of VH’s set they left the stage and people started leaving so me and my buddy ran down towards the stage. Lights went out and VH came out for a few more songs and we were right up front!
Bad ass show!
Excellent work once again Alan! Thanks so much and brings back memories! The part showing the kid on stage who won the contest getting cake smashed in his face reminds me of the’84 VH show I went to at the old Cow Palace in San Francisco and it was Al’s birthday ,something like May 9th..unfortunately I lost the ticket.Anyway they had us sing “Happy Birthday” to Al and Dave said something like “Just how many girls did you have in your room last night Al?!?”
Anyway I met MA at the Hard Rock Cafe in SF in ‘04 or ‘05 performing as a guest with a tribute band called “Hot For Teacher” & he was just like we all know him to be:hella gracious,approachable and drank shots of JD with us! WTF did those dudes mean he contributed nothing!! If anything, his voice is just as recognizable as Ed’s guitar & Dave’s screams and solid on the bass,especially in the early years.
I mean damn there’s only one Geddy Lee!
Dude, this is GREAT!!! THANK YOU!!! Question, did something happen with episode number 2???
It's on David Lee Roth's channel. ua-cam.com/video/13JrKjGBnHA/v-deo.html
Thanks again!
_Fonz seal of approval_
That's all I need in life.
Man, I LOVE these videos! Please keep making them. Do a few for each record.
These docs are incredible! Sincere thanks.
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@@TheTapesArchive just did!
These videos are so well done. Copyright issues aside, everything is really professionally put together. I love the archival photos and footage. Keep up the great work.
My sister-in-law is a concert promoter and I got to meet Michael Anthony. He was such a good guy and he's got a great voice. She has worked with Ed also and said he's a dick.
Great job! I appreciate the time and effort you put into video and looking forward to your future content.
Thanks for all your hard work on these. I've really enjoyed them, and sorry you weren't able to get them out in their 1.0 version. Keep 'em coming, and us die-hard VH fans will keep watching. Well done.
It’s amazing how quickly Eddie’s attitude towards Michael Changed after this. In the Van Halen Unleashed documentary which came out just after 5150 he said “now with Sammy we’re a band, we’re really a band, we’re all equal”.
Yeah, I remember that but maybe that eludes to what was mentioned in the doc that Sam said they all had an equal share. Mickey may have indeed lost his royalties to 1984 but once the original VH broke up, with Sam, a new corporation was created and everyone started over with the old signed document becoming null and void to future 'original' VH music. Remember, Ed and Alex were desperate to regroup and their insecurity both personally and professionally were at a 'circle the wagons' mode where they wanted to show new member Sam that everything was "ok" within the band...
Right on. Thank you for releasing Episode 4. The past three were fantastic, very insightful. Amazing work. Cheers to this great band's legacy.
I saw what I think was the second show of that tour in Lakeland Florida on Eddies birthday. Roth had us sing Happy Birthday to him. I stood 20 feet in front of Eddies side the entire time. The best concert I have ever saw & I saw everybody except Randy Rhoads. He died one day before I was going to see him in Orlando 3/20/82.
ED'S Birthday is jan 26, they were in jAckson mS that night of 1984. took a front row 35mm roll of the entire show, age 15
They say Michael contributed nothing. Except his golden voice which made VH. see what they sound like without him.
He meant that he didnt write any music or contribute to the writing of the music
He wrote the bass Parts didn't he?
Led zeppelin split every thing 4 ways. So did the stones.
Michael Anthony is a GEM... so underrated, both his playing and backup singing is second to none....
I remember these days of Van Halen, everybody thought that they were just a bunch of good old boys playing rock and roll nobody knew from the outside what was really going on and we were all crushed when they broke up.
Thanks for uploading this It was really enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks for posting the documentary as best as you could. Long time VH fan here. Hopefully they'll agree to let you publish the originally version sometime soon. V.I.P. EVH
If you think Autograph getting booed off the stage after 6 songs is bad, you should have seen After The Fire try to open for Van Halen in Portland in September of 1982.
They only managed to get through 3 songs and were savagely booed from the stage. It was incredible and hilarious at the same time. 😂
I remember ATF. They opened the Seattle show. They didn't get booed or anything. Seattle treated 'em pretty well.
Best one yet…thanks again! Ironically, the Collection 2 Van Hagar release announcement drops today as well..go figure.
As a 51 year old, life king VH mega fanatic, I Appreciate all your efforts! 🤟🎶
I agree, this one is my favorite one. The next one is kind of depressing. Crazy how that was timed. 🤘
At 5:15 that piece of synthesizer Ed did live as backdrop to Dave's martial art display was scored as the Wildlife by Ed but didn't it ALSO contain rudimentary elements of what later evolved into 'MINE ALL MINE' on the OU812 album in 1988 during the Sammy era ?
Great video!! Love VH so much!! Thanks for making this for us!!
Anthony was my bass hero,, his simplicity on the instrument makes "IT" work,,, what an inspiration!! I worked in the entertainment business for 30 plus years,, I still get paid every 3 months thanks to BMI publishing, I'm a nobody, anyways thank you Michael,, bad ass that you are , i saw them all with Roth, fair warning, 2x diver down and 2x 84, without Michael's vocals and bass style it wouldn't be the same by far!!,, These videos are top shelf, the best so far by anybody or production company!!!
Agree!!! This is an awesome production.
Holy sh*t! I spit my coffee out at 23:18. Brilliantly played! I also must say, I have such incredible respect for Michael Anthony. The man is pure class all the time! I imagine he just figured he was already making plenty money, he loves playing bass, loves and respects the fans and the music that was being created and at the end of the day, he just wanted to play. The man has never spewed a hateful word towards anyone in VH. As another said, I can see why he and Sammy are so tight. You can tell there is a genuine love and respect between the two of them. Both probably went through their share of shit with the brothers over the years and that alone would cause a massive bond. I miss the hell out of Edward and I think had he not been ill, a Sammy reunion would've happened. Great series. Well done and put together.
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You just made my day..VH
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My first concert ever was Van Halen on the 1982 Diver Down tour. They were incredible. I then saw them again a couple years later on the 1984 tour. Even a teenage kid like me could pick up on the difference in the vibe of the band between the two tours. Great documentary. Thank you for posting.
that voice effect, or AI, on Dave's voice makes him actually sound sane for once.
Sparkomatic was not high end in the least. I remember reading that in his book and laughing. Roth was spot on. If it was Alpine or Pioneer that’s one thing. Sparkomatic was considered cheap stuff even in the 80’s. Back then i would have took one as opposed to what I had in my 78’ Monte Carlo (stock FM radio). But VH was on top in 1984. That’s what Roth meant by Marlboro or Levi’s. Mainstream higher quality. Not top notch, but not junk stereo. It was good $ no doubt, but Monk was pretty clueless about Sparkomatic. I think they went out of business by the early 90’s.
The TRAY TABLE device ED patented actually wasn't so much for slide players or lap steel but a way of holding the guitar up horizontally in fixed position so you could use all TEN digits on the fretboard coming OVER THE TOP OF IT ..Like a PIANO ..Ed even composed a piece of music using this technique which took his 2 handed technique even further than all those rock players who were copying him. I think he didn't want it on the record though (because of copycats) so he only used it LIVE on the 1984 tour. The interesting thing is that during 1991 during For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge on the track 'Judgement Day' Ed took this two hands over the top technique and some of the music he had written for it back in 1984 & re-adapted it to play it WITHOUT the use of the tray table. I think his guitar roadie Rudi Leiren built Ed TWO tray tables. One of WOOD and another of transparent PLASTIC....But I don't know what happened to those.
Do You by any chance know if there is footage on UA-cam of Him using it ? ..I've done a lot of searching but never found any.
I always thought he just flipped that guitar over and let the top rest against his body at an angle while having the strap do the rest of the work. Never knew about that device until these videos.
@@andrewbroughton65 I’ve NEVER seen any close up pro shot footage of the tray table device being used…Only still colour and B&W photos of it but There MIGHT be some. Somewhere amid my dvd collection of gigs there was this one show of VH MONTREAL 1984 where the gig was shot from the audience but not very clearly in close which MIGHT have footage of it from a DISTANCE. But he didn’t do it at ALL the 1984 gigs. I think he did it in Chicago Spring 1984 (but I only have that on tape in SOUND ONLY. By the time he Ed was playing the European leg of the 1984 tour like at Donnington UK he had stopped doing it.
@@andrewbroughton65 You can actually see Ed perform the technique without the tray table but just with him with the guitar on his lap while sitting down in TWO different sight and sound interviews in 1985….One at this Kramer guitars interview and one with his wife Valerie while attending this NY Hard Rock Cafe venue to give away one of his axes for charity. But in BOTH cases he was playing the two hands OVER the neck technique UNAMPLIFIED with his fingers on the fretboard on an electric without being plugged in ..Hope this helps.
Such extraordinary detail and work that goes into these episodes. I've read a few VH books and you don't get this level of information from those. Nice work TTA!
Just a tip or 2: Put these docs in a separate playlist. Also make it clear in the titles that they are all related.
That DLR AI voice shit is fucking terrifying
Fantastic documentary. Thanks!
Good work man. Really dig these videos. thx
Thank-you very much as this was the best one yet! I can't wait for the next one!❤️🎸😎🤘
Another masterpiece...
These are the best.
Outstanding Job as always. Love your videos. 👍
Always a great surprise getting the next installment of this VH Bioseries. Thank you for doing so without sugar coating the true nature of the bands circumstanes.. especially the Michael Anthony dilemma. I think it's apparent Mike was the most level headed of the original lineup and was a key ingredient to their success, even if Roth and the brothers argued otherwise. He did well in taking the high road. So I was glad when Sammy came along and leveled the playing field. I hope more insite will surface to produce an episode 5. Very well done, Thanks again!🎸
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Your documentaries are great, just want to say.
To me, it's crazy when band member cut out other band members like VH did to Micheal Anthony . Maybe he didn't write songs per say, but he wrote his own bass lines to the songs. Those songs wouldn't be the same without those bass lines. Or MA high pitch falsetto. He came up with Van Halen right from the begging. MA payed his dues just like the rest of the band. He deserves equal pay. This whole "not writing" stuff is pure bull.
Eddie wrote the bass lines basically
I bet if Michael had ever approached Eddie with a song idea, Eddie would refuse to even listen to it.
@@themobseatProbably, yeah.
It would be awesome if you went back and made similar documentaries for the first 5 albums and the early days too!
Thanks for doing this - this band is so under-documented.
Not happening since Alex was not a fan. People want to docs on VH but he won't let them.
@@TheTapesArchive Oh well, what can you do? Thanks for your reply!
Great documentary, again. I really hope there is more to come !!
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Mike was the engine behind VH. Those backing vocals. The rock behind the band.
Alex van halen did not write any music either, that was no problem for them so why did they bash Michael Anthony
Because Alex was Eddie's brother, and he wasn't being fair, just petty.
Because if Ed dissed his brother he'd have to explain himself to their Mom. 😂
Thanks for the upload enjoyed it!
Another awesome episode! Looking forward to #5!!! Will it be out next Wednesday?
Right on! It will be at least two weeks.
Very awesome tape archives!!!!! Enjoyed that episode very much !!!! I just can’t understand why they did Michael the way they did ! Back then as a teenager I would of never known the turmoil in the band at the time. Yet it is the music business! Lookin forward to the next episodes 👍 space ace ron⚡️⚡️⚡️
Thanks Space Ace Ron! I had no clue as a teenager either. I though they were they best of friends. One more episode to go. 🤘
I love van Halen, but I'll always hold it against them how they treated Michael all those years. He's a saint for putting up with it for so long.
This is awesome! I always wondered where that logo came from or what that character was. I thought it was super cool. 1984 was my first VH concert as a junior in H.S. and remember being blown away by the massive stage. VH ruled the world in the 80s and 90s.