Wacom finally has some SERIOUS Competition.
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The Xencelabs Medium Tablet is a serious contender for the digital art market. There's some serious pros and cons with this new tablet that might change your mind if you were interested in a wacom intuos pro anytime soon. Make sure to watch to decide if the Xencelabs Medium Tablet is for you!
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CORRECTION: The price difference is only $20 USD cheaper instead of $40 as I mentioned in the video!
Check out the tablet here: www.amazon.com/dp/B08VNQW8HG
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hi josh bro, I got an MacBook m1 air, what tablet should I buy to draw digital art?
Can i use this tablet with corel painter?
I see you like you're cold steel
only 20$ cheaper!? meeh
You mentioned that the Intuos Pro Medium has touch capability, as being one of the benefits that are lost with the Xencelab. However, I don't see touch being listed anywhere on Wacom's site, regarding their current Intuos line. Are you sure they have that feature?
I’m happy to see a serious contender - It can only benefit the consumer
Yooo adammmmmm nice to see u
XP Pen is out in front on that, in case unaware :)
What about Huion? They were already a serious contender
Hi Adam!
Not really. The price is not competitive at all and if you compare between the 2 companies with their respective products, Xencelabs loses by a long shot. Unfortunately, there's still no competition for wacom...
The biggest pro for tablets over pen displays, in my opinion, is that your hand isn't in the way when painting and drawing.
I dont think thats really a problem though
Especially for traditional artist transfering to digital
I dont think thats really a problem though
Especially for traditional artist transfering to digital
I dont have an issue with covering the canvas but my right shoulder tends to get sore. Its much more relaxing to draw with a tablet.
Ergonomics are superior too. Draw 8 hrs a day on a regular tablet for a month vs a screen tablet, the regular tablet guy will barely get worn out while the screen tablet guy's neck and shoulders are gonna feel some consequences.
@@kentsibayan3129 Of course it depends on everyone, but I switched from a tablet to an iPad, and if anything I'm able to draw faster because of the touch display. Now I'm able to just draw in bed too!
Me watching this video without even having a proper drawing device or program: 🤡
Lol same
Don't worry about the program part there are plenty of pretty good free programs. I'm using Krita and I'm sure there are many other good ones. The big 3 for paid are probably PhotoShop, Procreate, and Clip Studio.
Me watching this video without even any art skills: 👁👄👁
@@meii7914 If you have the time to learn(it takes a lot of time) you can be a great artist too!!
@@ArtisanAsteroid yess tomorrow starts my school vacation and last dec 2020 i received a drawing tab as a gift, i am pretty okay with traditional art but i am having difficulties with digital ary
XP Pen (I have both 16 and 24) has been fantastic, arguably on par with Wacom, at a fraction of price, in case you were not aware of them~
Yep! I also use an XP-Pen display myself, but paired with a Xencelabs Quick Keys that I purchased separately as the AC19 wasn't enough for me (also paired with a Parblo PR100 stand as the stock AC42 wasn't enough for me).
If they make a pen display that is QHD or 4K with a 22 - 27 inch screen I'll be very interested.
Seconded
Yeah me too
Be sure to take extra steps to make sure you're comfortable , display tablets really take a toll on Ur back lol
They just did
Bruh
This is the first time I notice your hands being super shaky , I thought it was my eye sight
Gonna wait till they have their own of a touch to screen like Wacom so i can see when i look down.
Love that.
right, when they release a display tablet I’m running to buy it . my intuos only has a couple more years before it croaks 😭
I'd consider Huion as a serious competitor as well. Had no issues with their products and come much cheaper than wacom.
Edit: XP Pen is good too 👍
@@tiptop7327 I like wacom too, but I actually switched off of wacom because of how many calibration bugs it had 😅
(not related to the video) I'm a little concerned about the shaking hands :/ hope it's nothing serious
This is late, but yes some ppl just naturally have shaky hands. Others might have it do to caffeine/sugar overdose/withdrawal, surgery, medical issues etc. But in my case I was just born with unsteady hands.
OMG YES! I’ve been waiting for an artist I know to make a review on this. 🌟 thank you ergojosh 💕
Man look...I want this tablet so bad. I've been researching the company for awhile and I'm convinced this is the future, for me.
I have that new pen display tablet from Huion! Its really well made and I haven't had any big issues with it. I have the 13 inch one I think so its a bit more pixelly and occasionally, te wires don't respond but I've managed my way around it
I have a Huion kamvas 16 Pro for 6 months now. Never had any problem, works like a charm.
Why has everyone forgotten about Huion? They are a serious contender too, cheaper and the same, if not better standards?
I always wondered if huion had a screen with tooth of if it was glassy. That's the single thing keeping me tethered to the cintiq
@@bryantium6010 it's got tooth. why didn't you just watch a review?
Yeah, I also think XP-PEN is getting up there as well.
Huion's pen is subpar to Wacom's, it's good for what it is but there is a big difference if you've used both. I believe in this case that's the key difference - it's a serious contender without any drawbacks in quality - pen sensitivity, accuracy and pressure curve being just as good as Wacom's which hasn't really been achieved by any of its cheaper alternatives thus far. Also Huion's build quality and longevity is a bit questionable. Have friends that had their Huion tablets break down after 2 years of usage - with ports breaking and screens no longer connecting properly... I love the opportunities cheaper brands provide and how much they've closed the gap but that gap is still there and if you're coming from Wacom, you most definitely will notice.
@@anam00090 Eh from the time I used wacom, my tablets would often suddenly stop responding or I couldn't use them at all during certain games. Eventually it broke down within the span of about 2 years even when I tried to treat them good.
Wacom was the first company I bought from and they do have many good quality tablets and displays, but I also think it's a sort of brand name in the art community, like iphone to the mass.
I've experienced better customer service and equally as good yet more affordable tablets from other brands than wacom.
Buddy, receiving a free $300 IS sponsoring.
Im selling my cintiq cuz of space and im actually tired of having one million cables everywhere and in the meantime im using an ipad pro but Im not entirely convinced of having just that as it is kind of wonky at times. This tablet looks really nice and I havent even finished the video and bought it from amazon already =S. Thanks for exposing this! I would love for wacom to have decent and honest competition!
Update: it took 3 weeks but I got my xencelabs tablet and im super happy with it, near to none cables, very light, great texture feel. Im surprised how well it feels from the get go. I haven’t done long session yet.
@@PlustechSB is it better thn the cintiq
@@strawrysandwich6927 Is hard to compare as one is a display and the other one a tablet. Its a great tablet tho. I guess is all about preferences at this point, and resources, cuz the xencelabs tablet with shipping included (latam) cost me 300USD, cintiq 2k.
@@PlustechSB hello, may I know whether you had previous experience with non display tablets or not, also do you recommend the product for someone who only used display tablets so far??
@@lightweight5175 I started like 20 years ago with tablets and used them for like 10 years before making the change to a display entirely so im now relearning how to use tablets. What I do noticed is that this xencelabs tablet has a texture feel on it, like a subtle grainy feel that is definitely different from my old intous3 that was flat. To be honest I see how that texture can annoy some people but for me is not n issue, Im starting to really like it actually.
Hope this helps
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It blows my mind that there are so few options for 2.4ghz wireless graphic tablets.
Everything else runs on Bluetooth which has some serious latency issues.
I want just the express remote!
Finally Wacom can’t sleep in their cozy castle anymore 👌
Not my boy Josh reviewing the tablet I just bought :o the timing
Xp-pen, Huion, Gaomon... some serious competitor as well.
Fortunately wacom hasn't been the only option for a few years.
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Nice to see you do a sketch from a blank sheet. Will subscribe once more. Thank you. I know you don't care to show the sketch process but I think it one of the more important stages in any piece...unless one only wants to trace. Thank you again.
I'm sold at USB-C!
Is absolutely great to get new contenders in the market for the benefit of all customers, but right now the real war is in the pen display devices and we have the Huion kanvas 13 even like $10 cheaper and we are talking about the same drawing size surface but is easier to draw in a pen display than in a regular table plus the resolution and features of the Huion Kanvas 13 arent bad taking in count is a low budget tablet still have great performance and very low parallax and have tilt function that works well. I buy one for my son a couple of weeks ago because he was asking constantly to draw in my Cintiq and being hones I just tried to bait him with the Huion but I test it and being honest I got surprised for the price, for the price adds great value I believe the Huion Kanvas 13 is a great first tablet for any artist, not sure who still uses regular tablets I believe are harder to use and probably are just for specific task I really duno?????
Nice I think Huion is very cost-effective
I don't trust any accessory that uses the grippy rubber material on it, at first sure it feels premium but with time the rubber starts to deteriorate and it becomes a sticky mess. I've had it happened in the past with an asus rog laptop, headphones and remote controllers.
A good review and you sound sincere however, your payment is the FREE tablet. Which would make you slightly biased.
i went and bought a dell canvas best decision i ever mad same resolution as the Wacom 24qhd
at a fraction of the price! no more small restricted pads and tablets i was worried because was no longer sold but you can still get drivers from dell it works perfectly well i love this thing
Josh, your technique continues to improve. Great review as well, and very chill, loved it!
*Its all coming together*
I saw a review for this only a few hours after I ordered an Intuos and immediately cancelled my order to get on of these. Cost me 10% lesss and came with considerable more.
It arrived on Thursday and I am really pleased with it so far, the build quality is great and the remote is much better than keys down the side. They have a great press briefing video on their channel and you can tell these guys really care about the users.
It's been a month since you got it, would you recommend it to others? I want to buy a tablet and I'm considering this or an intuos pro, I'm really hoping that it's good considering that buying an intuos pro (with a texture sheet to avoid the nib eating issue) would cost me an extra 130 dollars.
I have both. The Wacom is behaving really strangely atm and is a generation behind the Xencelabs in look and feel. Very happy with the latter and getting it setup for a decent Blender texturing workflow. 20% off on Amazon in UK atm.
No, they really don't, and to say otherwise would be dishonest. It's not paid, they literally sent you a free tablet, like it or not that does sway the review!
Hello fellow youngsters!
Right now I am between buying a Wacom Intuos Pro M or a Xencelabs Pen Tablet Medium. I've read many reviews from users that have had the Intuos Pro for a while, but I haven't read anything from Xencelabs long-term users. I was wondering if someone here has used the Xencelabs tablet for a while and could tell me how you feel about it... The pen nibs, the texture of the tablet, the drivers, etc.
Thank you!
I would be very interested in a large version.
waiting for the review on your ipad pro 2021
Well, seems you made a nice work, the tablet is out of stock in Amazon just 2 days after your vieo :)
Man, I'm so excited about this company! I like Wacom, but man, they've seemed to have only been delving into some small tweaks now and then. Nothing seems to have changed, until -the fire nation attacked- Xencelabs came up with this product :)
Wacom is also always insanely expensive. Not saying their stuff isn't worth it, but man it's so much higher priced than everyone else...
Agree. Wacom's early entry into the market, patents and their brand recognition have meant they haven't needed to progress very quickly to achieve good profits. You can see that their product line has responded to the cheaper competition in both tablets and pen displays over the last decade but there's been no big incentive for them to innovate or improve at the high end until now.
What a badass knife you have
The main reason while I still stick to wacom is because I use linux and their drivers are good for linux (while other companies do nto even make those)
3:40 Is that a whole rubber grip back on the remote? Issue with those remotes are how they can go sliding around the desk without grips or enough weight
THANK YOU FOR THE STAND TIP!!!
My wrist has been hurting a lot when I work for long hours. Now I know why 😥
I like the Xecelabs remote only
i'm SUPER interessed for this one, I really hope they make ones for Brazil!!!!!
Ive always wondered why wacom stick with their touch dial for so many years. An analog dial is honestly so much better and Ive always wished yhey have an analog dial and also a slider. Although i have to say while this has features that are better than wacom the overall design is just based off wacom too much and i feel they couldve designed it a lot better and i dont mean interms of aesthetic. Just yhe analog dial alone if its made of aliminum and the surface is rubberised, ot slightly texturiesed or both, the knob would feel so much better. Even those 6 buttons couldve a little more different. Ive always liked the details on wacom having those different texture ao you can differentiate betwen those 3 button that are right next to each other. I think if all yhe 4 button on this design has different firmness to ita click, it wohldve been an improvement to the wacom because it would be a tactile feedback to the user that they pressed the button that they intended.
And also since they havr that sceen in the middle instead of buttons if it were touchscreen it would be nice if you can havr a slider there instead so you can press the button on the sides to go into different adjusyment mode, like say brush opacity or flowrate or even size, click the one you want to adjust and then use the slider fo adjust it. But ofcourse a physical slider would also be better.
Even the pen is almost identical and only some improvement. I find dependig on which tool im using i prefer a more pencil like for to the grip, i mean the hexagonal one, and i kind of like the old bamboo pen, where the 2 button on the pen has this extended surface where its flat, it helps me know the orientation of the pen. Not that it works with the tool but it feels different for different jobs. Kind of like how drawig a line with a carpenters pencil feels diffetent than the a regular even hexagonal ones, even though the flat design was intended for something else. Of course itll be better if that feature would be paired with the ability to rotate your brush as tou rotate your pen.
I just thjnk theres so much room to improve yhe design to be a serious contender. By serious I mean in every other adpect other than basic usability and price. Because just from price alone there are several others that can be considered a contender based on affordability. At this point, because the design, is in many ways kind of a rip off to wacom, im wondering if that analog dial was a deliberate design decision or was it out of i dont know, maybe cost factor, or just beig different for its sake instead of actual function and user experience.
I have a feeling that Cintiq Pro is basically the CSP tablet, since CSP has such a good gesture control. But that only works on Windows machines. For anyone that don't use Windows or don't use CSP the value of Cintiq kinda just decrease for a long shot. Like it's still a great product (it's expensive), but then you don't gain as much paying for the premium.
Though in terms of other tablets go, I think one benefit of Wacom is that, you got to have the largest selection of third party accessories, and they are basically the only brand that 1. Offer a large array of special pens and 2. Offer the most types of pen nibs. Few people would actually need these two traits, though, but I guess it's there for anyone looking for it.
Fewer buttons are no excuse on that remote, nor is it being a bit of a brick. USB C though...
Everything else looks great!
very glad you got to look into this - now I am looking forward for a screen tablet. Shoot I may even get this too lol
"I didn't use the remote, so I think it'd be a waste to buy it."
Meanwhile: Uses his macro keyboard remote thing with 25 buttons.
But you know, fair point. :v could get that thing for the same price if not cheaper.
The laggy complaint, you're using the wireless dongle. Could be either limitations of wireless or wireless broadband is crowded.
Someone drank too much coffee
Pretty bummed that they don't make the Razer Tartarus for lefties (yes, I'm a lefty). Like, wtf? Why not? It's not like they can't just mirror the design, they just choose not too.
I thought it is for lefties? I use it with my left hand while editing. So I was very confused when reading this lol.
@@OiiMerch hmm. Maybe I confused my handedness for the situation. I think what I meant to say is there isn't a right handed version, which is what I want because I draw on my tablet with my left hand. That said, because it's left handed, I can't use it at all because I specifically want it for when I draw.
Is there a right handed version of this so that I can use it while I draw? A person who draws right handed can use this with their elft hand just fine. I derped and confused this in my head initially. Does this make sense?
Pretty sure these devices are long dead and a relics of their time. Didn't catch on in the markets they where advertised to.
@@Utrilus You don't hear about them that much in the art field as they are mostly used by / marketed to gamers. A few have become obsolete but the Tarterus is still going strong.
They are fantastic to use. I would definitely recommend them for pros who use just a couple of applications for work full time but IMO something like the quickkeys might be better for more occasional use, where you don't have the time / incentive to setup all the shortcuts and commit everything to muscle memory.
why the shaky hands
I have shaky hands in general but tbh I was shocked at the footage too lol.
Honestly, man, you're the simracing604 of the digital drawing world. I really enjoy the work that you put out and I hope you keep doing the stuff that you do.
Do the Xencelabs drivers play nice with Wacom's or did you have to uninstall Wacom drivers first?
I still have wacom drivers installed on both my Mac and Windows machine and it all works fine
If you don't already have a video about it, how do you use that mini keyboard at your left hand? How many keystroke shortcuts is it capable of?
He makes a mention of it at 13:18. (Razer Tartarus Pro) If it's anything like the Tartarus V2, then it's a programmable shortcut for each visible key and additional keymaps (up to 6) available by tapping the switch button adjacent to the scroll wheel (right above where his thumb is resting).
Also, the driver switches keymaps automatically if you need to switch between applications you have it configured for (example: if you had both Clip Studio and say, Photoshop open), and keymaps are cloud-stored so you can use the same keypad with multiple PC's without needing to manually set up keymaps for each one, assuming the driver is present)
(edit: he mentions in a reply below to see his community page)
Josh you’d make a fortune with voice over work. BTW great review. I use the Razer Nostromo gamepad similar to yours instead of keyboard which is perfect instead of keyboard.
I wonder If that company will have good start they’ll produce cintiq like tablet.
Oooo I haven't been upgrading because I HATE using touch screens, this might be worth getting as an upgrade from my Cintiq 13HD (the 2013 Cintiq, it's ancient at this point)
Not much tech lasts 8+ years, so there's something to be said about that. Mine's still working perfectly too.
Oh absolutely! It was only last week that I realized how old my tablet actually was.
I have a bad habit of picking at things and wrecked the rubber grip on the pen, so I was trying to order a replacement since Wacom used to sell the grip piece independently for dirt cheap
Yup, also on Cintiq 13HD and it works flawlessly, never had an issue. But am using it more and more as a screenless tablet nowadays due to ergonomic problems it caused me. Am researching a new tablet - Intuoses seem to have rough surfaces I don't want so this tablet seems smoother and much better suited for a good drawing experience without any real drawbacks that come with cheaper Wacom alternatives. A good pen with a decent pressure curve is a must for me so this seems to fit the bill. Hope it lasts as long as wacom's devices do though
Any Graphic Display, coupled with a razor Tartarus or Nostromo, is better than a Wacom offering..
RIP Wacom
Josh's shaking like he hasn't eaten in days lol
Noob question: what's that mouse keypad combo thingy on the left?
It's a Razer Tartarus V2. It's basically a compact hotkey/macro hub for your left hand. :)
@@ianmacdraws3326 Cool. So it's not a mouse. Oh but imagine if it was...
Josh! That thing in your left that you click that has blue light. Is that a little keyboard?? Looks so cool
Look forward to seeing you review the 4k huion kamvas. Hopefully they send you to review :)
Josh do Audio books or some readings my boy as the voice is soothing.
Josh’s voice is awesome. In fact I became more interested in the unintentional ASMR voice included than the tablet lol 😂
@ergojosh : Please make video of the most of shortcuts used in razer tratrus pro . i think it will be informative video
Here before the premiere
got some nice and rough fabriano sketchbook pater on my intous 1.
That’s expensive af for a non-display tablet
Watching this on my Kamvas 16...
Ill Stick with Parblo.
Whats that tiny keyboard hes using called? Is that a macro pad or something?
Check your Links! Some of them are broken (amazon link in this video for example)
Cool. What knife is that?
So I have the original balcon N52 which is what the razor is based off of after the license to technology from belkin..... I am I am just now starting to get into 3-D modeling and moving away from engineering style modelers like Design spark mechanical Autodesk 123 and fusion 360.... For Christmas my parents are getting me this tablet I am curious about the joystick on your razor/belkin in 52... Is it functional? As in can it be set up kind of like the space mouse to be used to orientate the sweetie object that you are working on? Do you have a tutorial on using your razor/belkin and 52 ?
Hiii!
Oh magical talking hands, if the opportunity arrives, would you be interested in doing a review of the new Samsung Galaxy pro 360? It's a pen display laptop with Wacom technology, or so I've heard, and apparently its quite good from what people are saying ^^
Thanks!
dude, I'm brazilian and had this dream to get a good device to draw, now I do have a huion kamvas 13 pro and mann.. i tell you what don't give up on your dreams!! nice video, mr. sexy voice.
Curtiu mesmo? Eu pensei nesse tablet, usei um one by wacom e meu cérebro bugou kkkk, não assimilou o tamanho da tela no tablete.
@@Romope é complicado no começo, ainda me pego olhando pro monitor enquanto uso a pen display mas agora que peguei o jeito é uma maravilha,, gostei de mais sim!
@@PabloSilva-mb2qy Eu tentei de novo e o cérebro não aceitou mesmo, acabei vendendo e peguei um display, esperando chegar e torcendo pra dar certo dessa vez, estou só um pouco assustado de o cérebro bugar com o paralax
@@Romope vai dar certo, mano, pro erro de paralaxe, eu indico um bom posicionamento da mesa antes de calibrar, eu tive problemas também mas uma hora você vai ficar bem confortável. :)
@@PabloSilva-mb2qy Valeu demais, anotado!
you can definitely find a cool pen stand on etsy
Hopefully it’s compatible with the latest Bigsur OS, the last update messed up my connection with the Wacom:(
Are Huion and XP-PEN not considered serious competition? If not, could someone tell me why? I've owned a Wacom since the PenPartner, which boasted 256 levels of pressure(!), and Wacom pretty much always acted like they didn't care enough and/or understand enough about coding to make a tablet that didn't often produce some crazy nonsensical glitches, and, as I'd find with the Huion and XP-PEN tablets being much smoother than Wacoms, that they felt almost... Grainy. But I just thought I somehow caused it. Apparently not! Also, I've never had with either of those tablets the amount of problems your tablets tend to produce, causing even Microsoft to issue system upgrades to try and patch some of that glitchy nonsense, often resulting in some sort of compromise or other. Do better, Wacom.
They are considered serious competition by many people. By people who draw every day though, they can feel the differences and issues more since theyre drawing signifigantly more, and for their job, and probably have different feelings.
I dunno...I've used several XP pen and huion tablets and they aren't as well built, the pens are mostly (not always) worse and the drivers just suck. I've never kept one and always gone back to a wacom until I bought the Xencelabs tablet. It's in a different league.
There's a big difference in pen quality and overall build quality imo. My Wacom is still running as new and I've had it since 2014, multiple people I know have had issues with their 2 or 3 year old Huion tablets, even when they took good care of them. Ports breaking, connection with the computer being not the best. Wacom drivers suck and I do calibrate the screen often but pen pressure and initial activation force is not the same on other tablets I've tried, no matter how much you tweak the pressure curves. Any decent Wacom competition that involves having a great pen and similar performance is great for customers in my book. None of the cheaper alternatives have really achieved that thus far unfortunately.
nice Cold Steel there Ergo ;D
I'm using the same keypad as controller!!
Hi @e r g o j o s h, have you tried any of the Xencelabs pens on a Wacom Intuos Pro or Cintiq?
Thanks in advance.
Very insightful 👏thank you❣️👍
I am yet to see anything genuinely superior to the Intuos 3 series, even from Wacom itself. While Wacom only added planned obsolescence from then on, it still has zero competition. I do not even find funny anymore to test, and send back immediately, one overhyped tablet each year. Want quality, want it cheap? Pristine Intuos 3 go for 50 bucks.
Fortunately Wacom's planned obsolence is fixed with 'Connect My Tablet' app. Just download it from Applestore, follow the install procedure and all tablets from around 1998 will work again!
looks interessting i need a new 4k 24 inch monitor... this could be worht a look if they ever realase 24 or 27 inch
10:06 What's that device in your left hand? 🤔
I think thats razer orbweaver chroma.
First time watcher. Nice video, the details and suggestions are really nice. You might also stand in doing voice over for Babbish if you cook. :)
Great review here. Hey I am wondering (total noob question …) around the 14:35 mark you rotate the on-screen canvas to get a better angle …how do you accomplish this? Is it a keyboard short cut? Something on the tablet? Something on your left hand? Love your vids, learning lots!
Depends on your drawing program. In CSP in you can program your own keyboard shortcut to rotate the canvas. I imagine it’s the same in photoshop. Just look it up
Josh the link that says “ All the other products that I use!“ , doesn’t work :/. Can you write it down again or here 👇 please
Nice review. Was wondering about the mouse you are using. The one with the shortcut key? Which is it?
Nice video. I've been thinking about one of these. Question what is the keyboard/mouse thing you are using in with your left hand and are you running Mac?? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
hey are you okay? Am i tripping or are your hands shaking? (not ment as a hate comment)
I wish it had bluetooth so i could use it with iphone and ipad
The link to your Amazon isn't connecting. What is that thing your using with your left hand called? Is it a super fancy mouse?
you have great skill
Hey just interested in what mini keypad you were using as well