What happens if you spare Zenith Martlet?

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  • Опубліковано 28 гру 2023
  • I couldn't find any documentation about it, so I thought I'd try it myself and document my experience.

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  • @GCalebB
    @GCalebB 5 місяців тому +409

    I discovered that if you attack a boss in a pacifist, you arent able to spare him, just is yellow because it means that 1 shot is needed

    • @LeSteveLST
      @LeSteveLST 5 місяців тому +66

      so apparently it has 2 meanings, one is that they are spare-able (if its even a word) second is they are one shot
      i guess ya learn something new everyday

    • @charmaci
      @charmaci 5 місяців тому +17

      Wdym? You can attack bosses in pacifist as long as you don't kill them

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +60

      @LeSteveLST kind of. From what other people have told me, in Undertale having a yellow name always means you can spare them (with the exception of Sans and Asgore) but in Undertale yellow it means you can spare them or they will die if you hit a single shot (or both)

    • @karthkalbi1105
      @karthkalbi1105 5 місяців тому +24

      @@LeSteveLST normal enemies can be spared when they're at low enough hp, the devs confirmed that the yellow name on bosses is a glitch

    • @Pigismal
      @Pigismal 4 місяці тому

      ​@@concernedlego897...what-

  • @tylermercado1445
    @tylermercado1445 5 місяців тому +219

    Just like with Genocide Ceroba, you can’t spare Zenith Martlet. Their names turning yellow just show that they’re one hit away from dying.

  • @Rawmango8
    @Rawmango8 6 місяців тому +287

    In UTY when an enemy's name is yellow it means that you can either spare them or kill them in one hit.
    for example with normal enemies if you get them to half hp and do your next attack weak, it'll still deduct the remaining health from the enemy regardless of how strong or weak the attack was.
    and that goes for Zenith Martlet and Genocide Ceroba.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +30

      Oh that's really interesting, does Geno Ceroba also have a yellow name?

    • @Rawmango8
      @Rawmango8 6 місяців тому +21

      On final hit, yes@@FactsAndPain

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +17

      Oh cool. Although, now that I think about it on the off camera attempt where I killed Martlet with 3/6 bullets their name wasn't yellow. Their name also wasn't yellow on the first recorded attempt where they were 1hp. There's probably some weird mechanic happening there I'm not aware of though

    • @Subugugito
      @Subugugito 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@FactsAndPain probably a glitch

    • @Subugugito
      @Subugugito 5 місяців тому +1

      That applies to some bosses in other runs too

  • @Laggma-zj4ot
    @Laggma-zj4ot 5 місяців тому +21

    When I saw it but saw Mercy not working, I just assumed it was a little implication that "You could spare her, and it would work. But you can't"

  • @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel
    @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel 6 місяців тому +52

    I mean in undertale yellow the yellow name doesn’t always mean spareable

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +8

      I'm pretty sure only Sans does that. Although, in the Sans fight the mercy button is also yellow
      Edit: I just saw that you meant in Undertale Yellow. I'm very unfamiliar with the Yellow mechanics so you're probably right

    • @felipecfyt2518
      @felipecfyt2518 6 місяців тому +1

      Visual glitch

    • @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel
      @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel 6 місяців тому +1

      @@FactsAndPain sans dunks you, martlet is just unspareable

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah it probably is, but it's still funny to think the devs changed how yellow names work specifically for this fight to show you it's way too late to turn back

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, but at least with Sans something happened when you spared. Martlet is the only enemy I can think of who has a yellow name but doesn't react at all to sparing

  • @Connor_Kirkpatrick
    @Connor_Kirkpatrick 5 місяців тому +7

    Bro really took 3 minutes to say “nothing”

  • @FactsAndPain
    @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +86

    Quick update:
    Since recording this I've done it legit, but I couldn't get a yellow name. My current theory is that you can't get a yellow name if you use the checkpoint, so outside of no hits and speedruns you probably won't see legit footage of this

    • @murilo_the_lilo9947
      @murilo_the_lilo9947 6 місяців тому +22

      nobody blaming you bro. this fight straight up unfair

    • @zsigaiaron453
      @zsigaiaron453 5 місяців тому

      Nah the entire game is unfair-says the guy who has no undertale and knows about it by videos​@@murilo_the_lilo9947

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +13

      I mean, the fight was so hard they added an act that heals 20-25hp that can be reused infinitely in 1.1

    • @zsigaiaron453
      @zsigaiaron453 5 місяців тому +5

      @@FactsAndPain Some eneimes do way too much damage like the bull one AND THAT SNAKE IN A VASE I HATE THAT BECUSE THE GAME GIVES YOU NO IDEA HOW TO DEFEATE IT! LIKE HOW IM SUPPOSED KNOW IM FORCED CLICK DENIE 3 TIMES!

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +4

      So true! I had to look up how to beat the snake after like 10/15 minutes of trying! Pressing deny twice isn't too bad, but having to press it twice in a row is really weird

  • @MrTv670
    @MrTv670 5 місяців тому +24

    ngl when i saw this, i wanted to stand up from my chair go to undertale yellow's team base and ask:
    "Why did you give me false hope?"

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +4

      Same! At least you didn't have to wait for the entire end of geno, then put your save file back, modify the save so you can't die, do 3 attempts and then realize it was all for nothing (apart from 15k views apparently)

  • @DallasReimer
    @DallasReimer 5 місяців тому +44

    (Since it’s lame that there’s no mercy option I made some dialogue for a potential mercy ending so enjoy!)
    W-What?
    You’re sparing me?
    Why?
    Why me?!
    You killed everyone else!
    And yet you spare me?!

    But a part of me thinks
    If you spared me
    Then you do have some good in you
    And you let me go when I begged for mercy when you could’ve easily killed me.
    I know you won’t change but maybe in another life
    We could’ve been close friends

    You never told me your name
    What is it?

    Clover huh?
    That’s a nice name
    Nice to meet you clover
    I can feel everything in me melting
    So just promise me one thing clover
    Don’t kill anyone else please
    For me?
    (If you say I promise)
    Thank you clover
    So from now on
    D-Do the right thing
    (Slow dialogue) Clover
    (She turns to dust and you get the Asgore pacifist ending but if you say Go to hell)
    I should’ve known
    You don’t really mean this spare do you?
    You only care about yourself.
    You’re just seeing what happens.
    So goodbye clover.
    (Clover’s soul gets hit by feathers over and over until he dies and there is special game over dialogue)
    I’m sorry clover
    Maybe in another time
    We’ve could’ve been friends.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +19

      I love the Devilovania style of accepting how horrible the current situation is but understanding the chain of events that sparing one person would lead to
      Clover does tell Martlet their name back in Snowdin though when Martlet looks through the resident list. It's still good though

    • @panwasacz2733
      @panwasacz2733 5 місяців тому +10

      Small correction, you do tell Martlet your name it happens just before the Snowdin fight

    • @duckyd00m56
      @duckyd00m56 5 місяців тому +1

      @@FactsAndPainYOU LIE NO SOARE ME CRY 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @NexoNexus
      @NexoNexus 5 місяців тому

      Martlet already knows your name from snowdin when she asks for your name to search you in the resident list

    • @DallasReimer
      @DallasReimer 5 місяців тому +1

      @@NexoNexus People already told me so can you all please stop? I already know about that mistake.

  • @chedder_chandlure4363
    @chedder_chandlure4363 5 місяців тому +2

    Kinda makes me wish Martlet got her own "Get dunked on" Scene

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, I was hoping for a Devilovania kind of thing, where you gain the option of stopping geno, even if Martlet still dies to the syrum wearing off. Like a failed pacifist kinda thing but failed geno instead

  • @Lost_Sanity_
    @Lost_Sanity_ 5 місяців тому

    clover is giving real mercy in the form of death.

  • @VeryRGOTI
    @VeryRGOTI 5 місяців тому +2

    Yellow means Justice.

  • @Jake28
    @Jake28 5 місяців тому +4

    thank you for the spoiler warning at the start of the video, it was very useful at preventing someone from being spoiled by the title and thumbnail

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      I'm working on it, I promise! I just don't have time to change it right now. Besides, the title isn't bad as Zenith Martlet doesn't reveal anything

  • @spamtong.art1987
    @spamtong.art1987 5 місяців тому +19

    *Closure means the end of something or in this case for someone.*

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      The end of my will to finish the fight

    • @mishagaming1075
      @mishagaming1075 5 місяців тому +1

      @@FactsAndPainClosure is more-so fullfilling your curiosity, you got there, name was yellow, can't spare? well, dissapointing but atleast you now know that the name just means a one-shot, and that is CLOSURE.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      Fair. I actually did get a lot of closure for this after you guys told me how yellow names worked in Yellow

  • @user-wr8on5or5u
    @user-wr8on5or5u 5 місяців тому +3

    Thanks you. When i saw this i didn't understand what that means, but i didn't want to ruin my genocide run. When i finish it i really didn't want to fuck with this bird again.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      I made this video specifically for that situation, so I'm glad it helped!

  • @ArbitraryDevCC
    @ArbitraryDevCC 5 місяців тому +19

    Great video, thanks for digging into this through the game files, I was curious about this too and couldn't really look into it myself.
    I was streaming this game recently, and came across something else really cool, through total luck, I was actually able to get Zenith's health down to a point RIGHT before her forced "Final" attack, endure one more standard attack, and kill her BEFORE she ever got a chance to use her final scripted attack.
    I'm curious about the exact values to recreate this, but won't be able to look into it myself for some time. Would you be interested in looking into it? It may be really useful to speedrunners, in a lot of games its called a "Desperation Move Skip", or a "DM Skip." The footage is on the Genocide playthrough on my channel if you're at all curious. Thanks again for making this!

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, I'd be happy to do that! I can do a run where I don't shoot Martlet with the yellow soul and add up each shot's damage to work out Martlet's max HP. I can then work out the damage per yellow soul hit and then work out the health Martlet was on when you performed the skip

    • @ArbitraryDevCC
      @ArbitraryDevCC 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain You are awesome, thanks so much! I subscribed by the way, I love pages where people play around with game files. Hope you keep finding cool stuff!

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      I probably won't keep uploading stuff like this, I'll probably make more things like the Undyne video I recently made because this channel to me isn't about gaining subscribers or anything, I just wanna document some personal projects. Still, it means a lot
      Also I'm pretty sure Martlet has 800HP, I just did a run where Martlet died after taking 800 dmg and 5 pellet shots (because you have to hit at least 4 pellets). I'll work out how much damage the pellets do next and then I should be able to work out the big shot damage and when the desperation attack is triggered

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      Actually, I can do you one better. As I don't have the time to test anything right now the best I can do is check the highest percentage I've seen the desperation attack activate at.
      The highest I've seen is 8%, which probably means it activates at 10% or 80hp.
      Through some bad calculations I would estimate that the pellets (yellow soul attacks) deal 3 dmg, so if you get Martlet to 81-100hp, deal 66 damage and then hit at least 5-7 pellets on the next attack, you should be able to kill. I'll look more into it tomorrow and probably make a video on it eventually (if you don't mind, I wouldn't make it without your permission as it was your idea)

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      I think your attempt confirms this, as you took martlet to 14% (112hp) with your attack, landed 22 pellet hits (66 damage) during the attack, getting Martlet to 46 hp and then dealt 66 damage.
      This assumes that (as a big shot deals 7 or 8 hits) a big shot deals 7 * 3 (21) or 8 * 3 (24) dmg

  • @ziatcg8137
    @ziatcg8137 4 місяці тому

    "You have no idea what I've suffered through"
    Bro, you're not the only one that fights Zenith Marlet.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  4 місяці тому

      I was referring to the crash (and also my wrist pain but I didn't talk about it)

    • @ziatcg8137
      @ziatcg8137 4 місяці тому

      @@FactsAndPain Alright, sorry about that. Have a nice day.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  4 місяці тому

      Thanks! I probably could have clarified that better anyway

    • @ziatcg8137
      @ziatcg8137 4 місяці тому

      @@FactsAndPain You're welcome. Yeah, I think so.

  • @Fiannasworldx
    @Fiannasworldx 4 місяці тому

    I always thought that if an enemy had a yellow name it meant that it would die regardless of your attack because it would count as a betray kill

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  4 місяці тому

      Yes, but in most instances a yellow name also means you can spare them.
      It's like that for all of Undertale (barring Sans and Asgore) and I think all of yellow apart from Martlet and Ceroba

  • @teamok1025
    @teamok1025 5 місяців тому +6

    1:35 no im wondering about how did you acces to source code.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +5

      I wish my coding was that dignified. I just recycled some c++ code I made for an upcoming video. All the code did was press z twice and then press x. That in combination with me modifying my save file to get 100 defense let the game play itself

    • @teamok1025
      @teamok1025 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain oooh! (Honestly idk how c++ worked i only know how to read java but cant even make a java code....)

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      That's fair honestly, especially as it took roughly half an hour to work out what code to use for inputting (if you include me coding it in python too)

    • @KerbalChris
      @KerbalChris 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPaincouldnt you just have increased the attack stat since it affects bullet dmg

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      Probably, but as I needed to get Martlet to a low enough health without killing them, I wasn't willing to risk messing it up

  • @Flowery0
    @Flowery0 5 місяців тому

    Martlet shartlet

  • @justaman-qq1cp
    @justaman-qq1cp 4 місяці тому

    I still can't get why people just shoot usually, but not charge clover blast

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  4 місяці тому

      Personally, I'm bad at the timing. I would need to concentrate too much on getting the timing, which makes me really bad at dodging attacks.
      Of course, when I'm cheating I don't need to dodge attacks but still, I can't time it

  • @user-xe8yy5wd1y
    @user-xe8yy5wd1y 5 місяців тому

    I think that she should've been sparable in a sense like you get a turn before the boss fight starts and you can spare her and in the end when you two get to asgore she injects you with the sygrine just to overload your soul than you F*cking melt or something and if you spare her she could punch trough the box and crush the soul herself (I know that makes you think why she doesn't do that all the time but same with sans dunkin on you)

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      I guess with sans, it's the idea behind a betrayal kill, where if the player gets the opponent to a sparable position (specifically with acts) then the next attack will be guaranteed to kill (unless the player misses, which makes it still not make sense but it's the best explanation I have)

  • @Martlet5
    @Martlet5 5 місяців тому +1

    1:54 is it from game file or is it yours?

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      If you mean the 1000 def, I modified my personal save to get it. If you mean the crash, that happened to me personally, twice. I know now that it only happens if you press a frame perfect input, which just makes it hurt more

    • @Martlet5
      @Martlet5 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain Text in 1:55

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      Oh right, sorry. That has absolutely nothing to do with the game, it's just something I made in paint

  • @Isaiah_Debeste
    @Isaiah_Debeste 5 місяців тому

    So, I was recording a video on this game on my own channel, (im not gonna mention its name because I'm not gonna promote something that isn't on my own channel, and because the profile im using right now is not my same channel) and I checked how long i recorded it, and the Zenith Martlet fight took about 4-5 hours, so basically I played that boss for a really long time, but I eventually completed it. So I can feel about 1/3 of your pain, im sorry you had to do that fight so many times you had to cheat dude. Anyways sorry for the rambling

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      I had no right to cheat compared to your 4-5 hours. The only decent reason I actually had to cheat is that my wrist started hurting (and still does) because the auto fire option is very hidden in 1.0. I'm gonna go back and beat it some when though

    • @Isaiah_Debeste
      @Isaiah_Debeste 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain good luck then dude

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      I don't deserve your mercy, it didn't even take half an hour. I had no reason to quit when I did
      Edit: I realise now it sounds like I was saying that I quit after half an hour. I didn't mean that. I spent hours trying originally, but after quitting and making this video I tried again and beat it after half an hour

    • @Isaiah_Debeste
      @Isaiah_Debeste 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain nah its fine, atleast you'll try and do it legitimately and I believe that counts for something.

    • @electrifiedwits
      @electrifiedwits 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Isaiah_Debestehi guy i got stuck in a chain with

  • @WohaoG
    @WohaoG 5 місяців тому +1

    nice spoiler-free thumbnail bro
    I mean I beat it already but still

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      Yeah, I did think about that but I don't know what else I could've done

    • @WohaoG
      @WohaoG 5 місяців тому

      @@FactsAndPain yeah, fair. perhaps just a giant yellow heart with the word spoiler

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +1

      That's fair, I might actually change it soon but it doesn't get the same point across. Thinking about it now I could have Martlet's yellow name in the middle and get rid of the picture of phase 1 Martlet
      I will say though, I never thought this video would appear in people's recommended, I was fine with a spoiler thumbnail as I thought it would only be found if someone searched for "zenith Martlet" or something like that

    • @WohaoG
      @WohaoG 5 місяців тому

      ​@@FactsAndPainI mean I've had worse with other games before I beat them.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      Is this better? I feel like the Martlet's name shouldn't spoil anything as I'm not talking about a specific fight or anything. Plus it makes sense as the only proof I had that you could spare Martlet was that their name is yellow
      Edit: Seems like it's taking a while to update so I shouldn't have asked instantly =/

  • @Azyraasr
    @Azyraasr 6 місяців тому +3

    Are you kidding me nothing?

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  6 місяців тому +2

      Yep. I was wondering why there was no documentation of it, but I guess there's nothing to document...

    • @DatDeadMemer
      @DatDeadMemer 6 місяців тому +1

      i think it is a visual bug for when monsters are on low HP

    • @mishagaming1075
      @mishagaming1075 5 місяців тому

      @@DatDeadMemerNo, if a name is yellow if you hit atleast 1 shot, then they instantly die, the yellow name just means you can end the enemy in 1 more turn.

    • @Wintericecrystal
      @Wintericecrystal 5 місяців тому

      That's pretty cheap if you ask me. They could have at least had her say something nasty to you before she melted.

  • @W1ki_Sans
    @W1ki_Sans 4 місяці тому

    I beated zenith martlet without items cause i forgot to borrow them. It was a whole week of pain. Im dumb.

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  4 місяці тому

      I respect that so much. Congratulations

  • @somerandomacount
    @somerandomacount 5 місяців тому

    how do you no-hit this

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      I'm not the person to ask because I'm not good enough, but I would check out Null and Void's video on it. It's really cool to watch if nothing else

  • @elzixo6144
    @elzixo6144 4 місяці тому

    couldn't you have just took her to one hp with cheat engine ?

  • @pyrotheparasaurolophus
    @pyrotheparasaurolophus 2 місяці тому

    thats bullshit a yellow name means you can spare

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  18 днів тому +1

      I was just as annoyed, Yellow was great but they forgot about the advice of that one froggit

  • @Aadarsh69420
    @Aadarsh69420 5 місяців тому +1

    bro has better editing than me and still has less subscribers than me like how

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому

      I'm not really making videos for subscribers or anything. I made this one because I thought it would help some people out but most of my other videos will be me documenting personal projects, mostly so that I can look back on them later (but if people find the video funny then that's a bonus).
      Also, I'm not doing anything too fancy with video editing so if you want I can show you my process

  • @KatexNebula
    @KatexNebula 5 місяців тому +1

    why credit a no-hit cheater (Null and Void)?

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +4

      Oh wait they cheated?
      Either way, all I needed was footage of someone else getting Martlet with a yellow name so I guess cheated footage still works. Even if they cheated, I would still feel bad about using the footage without crediting it. However, if I were to make the video again I wouldn't use that footage. Thanks for saying

    • @FactsAndPain
      @FactsAndPain  5 місяців тому +3

      Besides, I can't talk. My next video is going to be called "How to automate Undyne's attacks" or "How to script Undyne's attacks" or something along those lines