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Hey Vosk, research capillary wicking…regarding the power and network cables…maybe source of small “leak”. Starts slow, but then will start to fill up your power dist units and LAN switches.
What did you do to fix? Do you add "drip loops". Like on cable TV Install to keep water from flowing down line into entry point at home. Plus they are nice in case of needed repair you have something extra to work with.
at the end of the day, when the smoke clears and the dust settled... how much did you spend, vs what you brought in? I might have missed the numbers...
I would have all popwer and network kit mounted on the wall so all the cables go straight up and stop the wicking. Also I would look into running the hot connection to the house so you can use the heat and reduce your bills, even if your just preheating the air/water
Mr. Tails, just a few suggestions, if you don't mind. Maybe put a wall/ring of chicken wire around that condenser thing, to keep the leaves away. It would relieve much of the burden of having to run your leaf blower more often; as well as it being in the back of your tail that you need to check it again, and again. Fix that leak! Don't just keep topping it off! Like one of your high performance cars, you wouldn't just let a leak persist, and keep topping off the oil. It will only get worse! You wouldn't want to walk in one morning, and the oil is EVERYWHERE. If that happens, you're gonna need TRUCKLOADS of rice to put them in. hahaha Thankfully, it looks like it's on a standard pallet, so maybe you can just rent a fork lift or, carry-all, and jack it up. Of course have a human do it, cuz I don't think you can reach the controls, and you don't have opposable thumbs. Move it a couple feet back, so you can service it properly this time, and anytime in the future. Don't sit on maintenance that NEEDS to be done. Lastly, are you going to plant any crops with all that land? How many bones have you buried there?
Thanks for the comment! The chicken wire is a good idea. We will continue to monitor the leak. Someone commented saying it might be dielectric fluid running down the ethernet cables and I think that might be it, but we will continue to monitor! Right now we rent the land to a farmer to farm :) He farms corn, soybeans, and wheat.
@@missvosk Hopefully it's just the fluid running down the cables! Tails renting the land to farmers?! The cutest, and furriest, little land barron! haha
I can only imagine how well these would do in a free-form Adobe cabin with a greenhouse patio roof that's heated with the exhaust of a mining operation. While also passively heated from below.
The channel Old Sea Dog had a similar problem last week and I was so suspicious that the unit was damaged in some way that it consumed too much power. Send it back and get a replacement and see what happens. Also record your numbers to compare.
a air to water heatpump need to be adjustet when startet, or else it uses more energy then the rating says maby some adjustment can remove some of the power consumption next time make sure you can get a pallet jack under the tubs
@voskcoin Check into a uv dye kit used in ac repair. (should mix with the oil) You may be able to pinpoint the leak with the light and special glasses. Plus it would look cool on video if it works
The liquid leak is due to the ethernet cable that leads the dielectric liquid out of the tank. I say this from experience, my two miners did the same thing.
Thats the same spot mine leaked. I had to put a cup down there until I bought the permatex leak sealant to seal it up. I'm actually done with this company and bought a different unit. Glad I bought only 1 system to try before deploying a massive setup.
if you still have the three little fans on each miner, the liquid would act as resistance, so they wouldn't be spinning as freely as they normally would@@VoskCoin
If you're referring to the fans on the miners, we removed the fans before putting the miners in. And the software tricks it into thinking they are on. Another way to do this is using fan spoofers.
Is there a small portable external pump you may buy? then drain 80 percent of the tank then move it fix the leak then done, and make sure when you buy more tanks to make a way for leakage maintenance, also i would love to see you start the solar panel thing
I'm going to sound dumb and it's always nice. That fluid can't be water since it'd be conductive. That must be some sort of non-conductive fluid right?
Hey Vosk, I was wondering since you started immersion mining, would you be testing smaller immersion tanks, that could be used in a regular residential situation. It would be nice to see some options for your typical everyday miner who may want to expand into large ASIC's but are worried about to heat and noise. Would be cool to see smaller models.
@@VoskCoin would be awesome to see those deployed, I don’t know whatever happened to the Octotank from octominer but that one would’ve also been interesting for review!
How many 3-stacks can you fit in there? It looks like you could create 2 rows of 3-stack units. Not sure how long your garage is though. Im guessing you should be able to get 2 rows of 5 long and 3 high. 2*5*3*8=240 miners
curious why you are running the miners with less TH and less wattage? Why not crank the TH all the way up since the emersion fluid is supposed to better protect the machines from overheating? does this mean the system isn't able to keep up with the heat?
sometimes it's better to underclock miners, for a better efficiency of TH/Watt same, if you're running them with solar panels or batteries at night or if it's connected with a heat reuse system, and it's not able to reject more heat, you can just run miners with low power mode
wouldnt a battery do what that transformer is doing...your just converting from 60hz to 50 hz.....I am pretty sure a server style 240V UPC is what you need to replace that Transformer...I know the 240V UPS units have the option to run at 50hz or 60 hz...gotta make sure for that though cause I am sur ethat some only run at 60 or 50...(US 60 Everywhere else is 50 so I read)
With so much empty space in there, do you really need to put the miners so close to the walls? it is best to allow enough clearance so you can service stuff later.
does emersion mode turn the PSU fans off or something? I'm a little confused about the PSU fans. Do you know how many Gallons per minute of exchange is needed per watt used in order to cool effectively? I m only trying to run 4 miners in a small tank....so I am trying to figure out the size of the radiator I need to get...Can you help with info on any of that? Thanks
Am I missing something with not being electrocuted or the breaker going off when putting a hot outlet into water? Wouldn't liquids short out the mining rigs?
@@anthonygallegos87 no, it's not 3M fluid. It's DCX ThermaSafe R dielectric heat transfer fluid 3M was (I'm writing was, as right now they're prohibited from producing any longer, you can google for the info) PFC dual-phase fluids. Low boiling point fluids, that quickly evaporate, are harmful to your lungs and the environment. Not speaking about the price per liter which was x10 more.
as a electrical engineer 25 years I can assure you whom ever is recommending a transformer is utterly clueless.😆the manufacturer actually says this nonsense also? There is absolutely no reason to add losses (and additional cost) in the system by using a transformer to convert 240 to 120v when you have it readily available few feet away in your panel. The only reason you would ever need a transformer would be for example in European power systems that are straight 240v (they are without a split system 240/120 like the US) where you cannot tap 120v phase to neutral. The line frequency is not changed in any way by a transformer unless you are using a inverter or online ups specifically designed for this purpose.(those are really expensive in comparison) and have even higher losses.. To connect this unit properly simply look at the data plate on the pump, and the outdoor unit, or check the specs in the manuals, they should be 60hz motors I assume. simply run a appropriately sized 120v feed directly from your panel to the unit. you will find up to (depending on the size/specs of transformer you were using) a reduction in power consumption of up to 20% by eliminating the unnecessary transformer.. Myself I don't see any reason why anyone would purchase a small immersion unit? its is not going to gain you enough efficiency with just 8 miners to compensate for the constant headaches, oily mess, added maintenance, and system down time you will have if any of the components fail. (motors, heat ex-changers, leaking fittings, lost coolant, etc) let alone the miners downtime you will have while waiting for these (undoubtedly expensive parts) to arrive and install. Once you have your miners lubed up is not like you are going to easily throw the fans back on and run them on air cooling again while you wait for the parts to arrive.😅 Just my opinion.. I would be interested in seeing the power consumption with and without the transformer if you do end up trying it! I'm guessing the total losses using this system even without the transformer are many times any gained efficiency over straight air cooling. but its still pretty cool addition to your shed!
This is just mad, I know your sponsored and all and it is cool tech to watch videos on - but you'd have to be clinically insane to actually buy one, increasing your miner cost by 50% and then increasing your electricity usage by 20% and then making it really difficult and messy to do anything at all with the miners and giving all 5 of your miners a single point of failure and risking frying them (I bet if your radiator dies/trips in the middle of worknight your miners will keep mining until they boil). And on top of all that your reducing the value of your miner by 90% as like who wants a used miner covered in slime? I expect Vosk will hide this comment but hey ho.
Apparently the poster is unaware that this miners are equipped with fail safe features which shutdown mining if temperatures rise above certain levels, in regards to slime🙄 pleeeease !! Using oil cooling preserves miners in better shape, some of us should be better informed when making baseless comments, it’s disrespectful to the guy who’s trying to educate you while making a buck.
@@loununez13 interesting I would like to see Vosk a video on the effectiveness of the emergency shut down procedures. So how do you go about clean your oiled up asics then?
We've hit some hurdles with the electric company! We're in the process of trying to get three phase out to the farm first, which is going to take probably about a year.
Well for one, it takes forever to do anything with our electric company. They originally required permits to run electric on our property even though our zoning didn't require us to. So that took months. The delay also has to do with how long they have to run it. It will be 1-2 miles to run it (I think including under one road), and they are trying to justify the cost and see if we are really going to use it enough. It's a lot of push and pull. @@amplifiergamingBTC
@@missvosk does it make any sense to send solar back to the grid when you have the shed´s... it i posible to have a solar system that is connected to the grid but does not export anything to the grid 3 phases is posible to get from the solar inverter, so maby that is a better way to get it faster
This is very bad example of submerging mining. Greatest problem here is inefficient spacing. instead of 9 miners you could submerge double the size in that spacing.
@@VoskCoin It has bad design, maybe its intended for beginners. But you need to take out the hashboard "The casing". maybe lookup how datacenters are doing.. They stack up boards. Spacing is expensive
@@DikkeKoelie I think, you're mixing a few things 1. Single-phase cooling with dual-phase cooling systems. DCX systems are using single-phase fluids, and they cost ~8k$. Dual-phase systems of that cooling capacity would cost you ~50k$ 2. One ASIC miner with hundreds of chips generates 3-4kW of the heat load. One server has 2 much bigger CPUs installed that generate 300-500W. That's why they can work without the heat sink in a dual-phase fluid. 3. I'd like to see the link with the reference to the data center picture or video, that is stacking "naked" boards 4. Last time I saw working solution with "naked" hasboards in the dual-phase liquid was at S9 times. In the laboratory, and not at mining farm.
at the end of the day, when the smoke clears and the dust settled... how much did you spend, vs what you brought in? I might have missed the numbers...
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Love that intro, and seeing how it all slowly came together.
Love following, and learning from your journey, fam.
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Hey Vosk, research capillary wicking…regarding the power and network cables…maybe source of small “leak”. Starts slow, but then will start to fill up your power dist units and LAN switches.
What did you do to fix? Do you add "drip loops". Like on cable TV Install to keep water from flowing down line into entry point at home. Plus they are nice in case of needed repair you have something extra to work with.
at the end of the day, when the smoke clears and the dust settled... how much did you spend, vs what you brought in? I might have missed the numbers...
a little box shaped mesh container should stop the leaves - won't be enough pressure to make them stick 🙂
I would have all popwer and network kit mounted on the wall so all the cables go straight up and stop the wicking.
Also I would look into running the hot connection to the house so you can use the heat and reduce your bills, even if your just preheating the air/water
I like this. "Liquid mining" sounds super cool and watching the process was really interesting. Good work!
Mr. Tails, just a few suggestions, if you don't mind.
Maybe put a wall/ring of chicken wire around that condenser thing, to keep the leaves away. It would relieve much of the burden of having to run your leaf blower more often; as well as it being in the back of your tail that you need to check it again, and again.
Fix that leak! Don't just keep topping it off! Like one of your high performance cars, you wouldn't just let a leak persist, and keep topping off the oil. It will only get worse! You wouldn't want to walk in one morning, and the oil is EVERYWHERE. If that happens, you're gonna need TRUCKLOADS of rice to put them in. hahaha Thankfully, it looks like it's on a standard pallet, so maybe you can just rent a fork lift or, carry-all, and jack it up. Of course have a human do it, cuz I don't think you can reach the controls, and you don't have opposable thumbs. Move it a couple feet back, so you can service it properly this time, and anytime in the future. Don't sit on maintenance that NEEDS to be done.
Lastly, are you going to plant any crops with all that land? How many bones have you buried there?
Thanks for the comment! The chicken wire is a good idea. We will continue to monitor the leak. Someone commented saying it might be dielectric fluid running down the ethernet cables and I think that might be it, but we will continue to monitor! Right now we rent the land to a farmer to farm :) He farms corn, soybeans, and wheat.
@@missvosk Hopefully it's just the fluid running down the cables!
Tails renting the land to farmers?! The cutest, and furriest, little land barron! haha
@@Chuck8541 that’s why she’s the boss! 😂
I can only imagine how well these would do in a free-form Adobe cabin with a greenhouse patio roof that's heated with the exhaust of a mining operation. While also passively heated from below.
Adjust the wall plug voltage and remove the transformer
The channel Old Sea Dog had a similar problem last week and I was so suspicious that the unit was damaged in some way that it consumed too much power. Send it back and get a replacement and see what happens. Also record your numbers to compare.
Make cage with metal mesh surrounding the back of the radiator, its something you can do in just few minutes
You could wear ove gloves when in the liquid below the hazmat gloves to keep hands from being too hot
that's... a good idea!
@@VoskCoin chock full of them my guy
The bigges downside that this is a big extracost !
But I like the "no noise"!
Used blue pipe tape. The fluid finds the smallest cracks more than water does.
Build a box and put a window screen mesh. I know it’s kinda dumb but might work. 😅
a air to water heatpump need to be adjustet when startet, or else it uses more energy then the rating says
maby some adjustment can remove some of the power consumption
next time make sure you can get a pallet jack under the tubs
@voskcoin Check into a uv dye kit used in ac repair. (should mix with the oil) You may be able to pinpoint the leak with the light and special glasses. Plus it would look cool on video if it works
The liquid leak is due to the ethernet cable that leads the dielectric liquid out of the tank. I say this from experience, my two miners did the same thing.
I think this might be right! Going to take a look at it closer today. Thank you for the comment!
@@missvosk can we get an update on this, miss vosk :) very curious!
Fascinating! Please explain how unplugging and plugging back in fully submersed, is this not a dead short at the plug now that it is 100% saturated ?
It's non conductive oil. So doesn't matter.
Wires could be siphoning the oil
Thats the same spot mine leaked. I had to put a cup down there until I bought the permatex leak sealant to seal it up. I'm actually done with this company and bought a different unit. Glad I bought only 1 system to try before deploying a massive setup.
What unit did you end up buying?
that power consumption might have something to do with the fans working over time because of resistance
could you elaborate?
good point, makes sense that the fans would spin up higher to try to compensate for the reduced airflow
if you still have the three little fans on each miner, the liquid would act as resistance, so they wouldn't be spinning as freely as they normally would@@VoskCoin
Guys as you can see in the video there are no fans, you install fan emulators which tricks the miner so it can be run without them.
If you're referring to the fans on the miners, we removed the fans before putting the miners in. And the software tricks it into thinking they are on. Another way to do this is using fan spoofers.
Is there a small portable external pump you may buy? then drain 80 percent of the tank then move it fix the leak then done, and make sure when you buy more tanks to make a way for leakage maintenance, also i would love to see you start the solar panel thing
I'm going to sound dumb and it's always nice. That fluid can't be water since it'd be conductive. That must be some sort of non-conductive fluid right?
asking a question isn't dumb -- yes its immersion fluid, basically a refined oil, kind of like mineral oil
That is one sweet set up man!
Hey Vosk, I was wondering since you started immersion mining, would you be testing smaller immersion tanks, that could be used in a regular residential situation. It would be nice to see some options for your typical everyday miner who may want to expand into large ASIC's but are worried about to heat and noise. Would be cool to see smaller models.
appreciate the suggestion -- I definitely want to do this! I want to source the bitcool (2 miner pod) by DCX and the C2 by foghashing
@@VoskCoin would be awesome to see those deployed, I don’t know whatever happened to the Octotank from octominer but that one would’ve also been interesting for review!
@@VoskCoin You meant DCX Bitpod, I hope ;-)
How many 3-stacks can you fit in there? It looks like you could create 2 rows of 3-stack units. Not sure how long your garage is though. Im guessing you should be able to get 2 rows of 5 long and 3 high. 2*5*3*8=240 miners
curious why you are running the miners with less TH and less wattage? Why not crank the TH all the way up since the emersion fluid is supposed to better protect the machines from overheating? does this mean the system isn't able to keep up with the heat?
sometimes it's better to underclock miners, for a better efficiency of TH/Watt
same, if you're running them with solar panels or batteries at night
or if it's connected with a heat reuse system, and it's not able to reject more heat, you can just run miners with low power mode
wouldnt a battery do what that transformer is doing...your just converting from 60hz to 50 hz.....I am pretty sure a server style 240V UPC is what you need to replace that Transformer...I know the 240V UPS units have the option to run at 50hz or 60 hz...gotta make sure for that though cause I am sur ethat some only run at 60 or 50...(US 60 Everywhere else is 50 so I read)
With so much empty space in there, do you really need to put the miners so close to the walls? it is best to allow enough clearance so you can service stuff later.
That's a good point! The space isn't fully done yet. We have a few additions coming so we were trying to plan around that as well 👀
Leaking or evaporation due to heat?
does emersion mode turn the PSU fans off or something? I'm a little confused about the PSU fans. Do you know how many Gallons per minute of exchange is needed per watt used in order to cool effectively? I m only trying to run 4 miners in a small tank....so I am trying to figure out the size of the radiator I need to get...Can you help with info on any of that? Thanks
Lmao thanks for letting us know how to take the lid off! I was worried about that part 😂😂😂
get a pallet jack and move the tank away from the wall.
Am I missing something with not being electrocuted or the breaker going off when putting a hot outlet into water? Wouldn't liquids short out the mining rigs?
It's not water, it is a non conductive fluid made by 3M.
Its Dielectric Coolant its no WATER
@@anthonygallegos87 no, it's not 3M fluid. It's DCX ThermaSafe R dielectric heat transfer fluid
3M was (I'm writing was, as right now they're prohibited from producing any longer, you can google for the info) PFC dual-phase fluids. Low boiling point fluids, that quickly evaporate, are harmful to your lungs and the environment. Not speaking about the price per liter which was x10 more.
That had to be scary dumping liquid on minera
it was really weird lol
as a electrical engineer 25 years I can assure you whom ever is recommending a transformer is utterly clueless.😆the manufacturer actually says this nonsense also? There is absolutely no reason to add losses (and additional cost) in the system by using a transformer to convert 240 to 120v when you have it readily available few feet away in your panel. The only reason you would ever need a transformer would be for example in European power systems that are straight 240v (they are without a split system 240/120 like the US) where you cannot tap 120v phase to neutral. The line frequency is not changed in any way by a transformer unless you are using a inverter or online ups specifically designed for this purpose.(those are really expensive in comparison) and have even higher losses..
To connect this unit properly simply look at the data plate on the pump, and the outdoor unit, or check the specs in the manuals, they should be 60hz motors I assume. simply run a appropriately sized 120v feed directly from your panel to the unit.
you will find up to (depending on the size/specs of transformer you were using) a reduction in power consumption of up to 20% by eliminating the unnecessary transformer..
Myself I don't see any reason why anyone would purchase a small immersion unit? its is not going to gain you enough efficiency with just 8 miners to compensate for the constant headaches, oily mess, added maintenance, and system down time you will have if any of the components fail. (motors, heat ex-changers, leaking fittings, lost coolant, etc) let alone the miners downtime you will have while waiting for these (undoubtedly expensive parts) to arrive and install. Once you have your miners lubed up is not like you are going to easily throw the fans back on and run them on air cooling again while you wait for the parts to arrive.😅 Just my opinion.. I would be interested in seeing the power consumption with and without the transformer if you do end up trying it! I'm guessing the total losses using this system even without the transformer are many times any gained efficiency over straight air cooling. but its still pretty cool addition to your shed!
could you read this manual -- section d -- number 9 -- it explains their reasoning on the transformer cryptocooling.eu/manuals/
Just curious, how come the miners are underclocked? Could you not overclock them since they are being more effectively cooled in the liquid?
Saving electricity for now he said hell crank them up in bull market
Focused on increasing miner efficiency to reduce the electricity bill and give the mining farm a bigger runway
Let's go voss man 🎉
This is just mad, I know your sponsored and all and it is cool tech to watch videos on - but you'd have to be clinically insane to actually buy one, increasing your miner cost by 50% and then increasing your electricity usage by 20% and then making it really difficult and messy to do anything at all with the miners and giving all 5 of your miners a single point of failure and risking frying them (I bet if your radiator dies/trips in the middle of worknight your miners will keep mining until they boil). And on top of all that your reducing the value of your miner by 90% as like who wants a used miner covered in slime? I expect Vosk will hide this comment but hey ho.
You’re welcome to have your opinion 🤷♂️ not going to censor you for it lol
Apparently the poster is unaware that this miners are equipped with fail safe features which shutdown mining if temperatures rise above certain levels, in regards to slime🙄 pleeeease !! Using oil cooling preserves miners in better shape, some of us should be better informed when making baseless comments, it’s disrespectful to the guy who’s trying to educate you while making a buck.
@@loununez13 interesting I would like to see Vosk a video on the effectiveness of the emergency shut down procedures. So how do you go about clean your oiled up asics then?
@@VoskCoin your a good egg Vosk :)
whats the status of the solar farm because i feel like I've heard talk about it for awhile now. just curious
We've hit some hurdles with the electric company! We're in the process of trying to get three phase out to the farm first, which is going to take probably about a year.
@@missvosk do you know why it might be taking so long to get 3 phase
Well for one, it takes forever to do anything with our electric company. They originally required permits to run electric on our property even though our zoning didn't require us to. So that took months. The delay also has to do with how long they have to run it. It will be 1-2 miles to run it (I think including under one road), and they are trying to justify the cost and see if we are really going to use it enough. It's a lot of push and pull. @@amplifiergamingBTC
@@missvosk does it make any sense to send solar back to the grid when you have the shed´s...
it i posible to have a solar system that is connected to the grid but does not export anything to the grid
3 phases is posible to get from the solar inverter, so maby that is a better way to get it faster
How much this setup cost
a total cost is just about 8k$
Can u help me make one
I want to do this… oooooo
Only if I had that kind of money to do that. 😀
Those transformers are fire hazards
This is very bad example of submerging mining. Greatest problem here is inefficient spacing. instead of 9 miners you could submerge double the size in that spacing.
how? theres no dead space, it's full lol
@@VoskCoin It has bad design, maybe its intended for beginners. But you need to take out the hashboard "The casing". maybe lookup how datacenters are doing.. They stack up boards. Spacing is expensive
@@DikkeKoelie I think, you're mixing a few things
1. Single-phase cooling with dual-phase cooling systems. DCX systems are using single-phase fluids, and they cost ~8k$. Dual-phase systems of that cooling capacity would cost you ~50k$
2. One ASIC miner with hundreds of chips generates 3-4kW of the heat load. One server has 2 much bigger CPUs installed that generate 300-500W. That's why they can work without the heat sink in a dual-phase fluid.
3. I'd like to see the link with the reference to the data center picture or video, that is stacking "naked" boards
4. Last time I saw working solution with "naked" hasboards in the dual-phase liquid was at S9 times. In the laboratory, and not at mining farm.
Ok maybe take the gloves off before grabbing your PDU. Lol.
at the end of the day, when the smoke clears and the dust settled... how much did you spend, vs what you brought in? I might have missed the numbers...
the DCX system for 8 miners, with the dry cooler and all accessories costs ~8k$
Are you ever going to get your $8k back? How much are you saving in electricity costs vs if you had air cooled fans?