Not everything sunshine and rainbow mate Where do you live hmm??? Usually Brits comic always related to Rebellious stuff consider how crazy the government back in the day
On the topic of "I've Been There!" When I was getting my Masters degree, my wife and I lived in eastern NM. She had a back injury, and the only sufficient hospital was 3 1/2 hours away in Albuquerque. We had a number of times we had to run up to ABQ for doctors visits and, being poor grad students, we stayed at a cheap-ass motel right across the road. It was rough, dirty, and unpleasant, but fit our needs and budget. Years later, Breaking Bad hits the screen. Guess which hotel was featured as the 'meth motel' in the first show? Yuuuuup! The Crossroads! In it's pretty accurately depicted glory!
I honestly prefer the series to the original, it's a lot smarter with it's evil. Some of the things that happen in the comic feel like they're there just to give Ennis a chuckle. The man *really* does not like superheroes.
You don’t mean like when he throws abused children out of a plane or the rough sex just killing characters in disgusting ways because the author has problems and probably jerks occ to his own comic?
That has definitely happened to me. I'm from Baltimore, where they filmed the majority of Captain America:Winter Soldier,but they were supposed to be in D.C. The overpass where Bucky snatched Sitwell out off the car. I was on it the other day and with Cap being my favorite hero whenever I watch it I just yell out the spots in my town at the tv😎
@@futurestoryteller because it is. If you don't like superheroes, don't write about them. Write about westerns or knights or something. If you're not even going to bother writing a piece that actually deconstructs the superheroes like alan moore, and is just a hate piece, then don't write it at all. If a manga creator doesn't like superheroes do you see them writing the equivalent of an angry tweet about heroes where their oc murders a bunch of nerds in spandex?
Yea, I'm more than ok with not ever touch the comic version of The Boys again. It's one thing to deconstruct something & even give more than a few jabs. It's another thing altogether when you're just being an ass.
So basically Garth Ennis is the real life Lex Luthor. I mean being a depressed and nihilistic curmudgeon is fine when its just you, but being so ego driven you want your nihilistic outlook to be felt by others, thats starting to border on something sociopathic. I like dark stories and dark twists myself, I loved the Authority comics before dc brought them because of their being an almost parody of other superheroes, but it still had depth to the characters at times. Saying 'superheroes are shit so I want to mock them' however is just senseless and shows lack of creativity. It also shows how you don't want good values to be given to people like fighting for a better world, freedoms, justice, saving the little guy, standing as an example for something better, these are positive values that can teach younger people how to be better human beings. Saying superheroes don't have value is like saying doctors don't have value because we're all going to die anyway.
I used to live in a building that was constantly being filmed, but I never saw it in anything. Then finally it was on one episode of "Agents of Shield".
I love my teacher Mr.A I don’t remember his name, but he was so cool and also a comic nerd, when he saw me reading a Spawn and a few new Issues at the time X-Men comics in 2013, he came to me and gave me his whole stack of The Boy’s and said i noticed you also like Comics and he actually went to school with Todd McFarlane back in there high school years, they weren’t friends but just classmates who worked with each other here and there in some classes. He has a early spawn drawing by him on his desk, but anyways after he told me his Todd McFarlane school years he said i’d like this series as it’s gritty, dark, and also very very good story on how Billy The Kid hates Heroes and the Heroes in this series aren’t truly heroic all the time. Has nice twist on the Hero style of comics, since then I always have to thank my English teacher Mr.A for recommended me this series in High school, he eventually allowed me to keep his copies of The Boys as a graduation gift and also for being a great student and actually listened to what he was teaching as i was homeless and was actually focusing on school and getting out of it, and now i live on my own fully graduated and still have his comics. Sadly Mr.A transferred schools and I don’t where to thank him again on helping me get through the dark times in my life back in my high school years 2011-13 and surviving the streets with this series and my comics getting through it all.
I feel like at this point the dark and edgy superhero deconstruction has become part of the genre in itself rather than pushing the reader to view the genre in a new light it becomes a natural part of it like saving the damsel in distress
I agree but also the boys isn’t that. I feel like it’s intentionally written as dumb ( it’s more of a critique of MIE) to the point where Superhero writer are more like haha.
Soldiers sometimes abuse drugs. Cops sometimes kill and rob people. Firefighters sometimes beat their wives. Elected leaders are sometimes accused of sexual misconduct. Astronauts have farts that smell bad. Sometimes a person's public facing life is one that we as a society explicitly default to hero-worshipping, while their private life reveals them to be no less than a monster. That's the premise of "The Boys"
@@kinginthenorth1437 Superhero is their profession only in the sense that Vought markets them as such to the public. However, in meta-conversation about them as characters, they are not heroes but villains. Well, except maybe for Maeve and Starlight, who don't behave like villains for the most part.
The deconstruction of the superhero genre is nothing new, the 80s and 90s was over saturated with it like The Squadron Supreme, The One, The Brat Pack, The Maximortal and Watchmen. Marvel had a very underrated series in the early 2000s with Supreme Power under the Max line. Hyperion went nuts after finding out his whole life was a lie, discovering how the government was propagating him and other power beings, which he was the main cause of because his ship spread a virus that turn certain people into supers.
The Purple Man you’re correct, the boys is nothing knew, miracleman in 1982 kind of started the trend and Ennis hasn’t gotten over this trope yet to my amazement, The boys was a slog for me, more stupid and juvenile than gritty and mature. And I’m sick to death of these British writers thinking they’re sooo coooooool and edgy and innovative for writing these bleak anti superhero comics. I recommend Invincible by Robert kirkman instead, a book that actually did something knew and achieved so so so so very much more than the boys ever could.
Read about 30 issues including the _Herogasm_ mini and whilst I really like Ennis's work found it not really progressing anywhere during the large chunk of stuff I read and was just Ennis been transgressive for the sake of transgression. Wasn't looking forward to the series but really enjoyed it. As to Ennis's opinion on superheros, he's got no time for them, except for Superman, take a look at _Hitman_ 34.
I definitely prefer the show, and your video has helped me to pinpoint exactly why that is: shifting the medium from comics to live action allows the show to be a one-of-a-kind (and, frankly, brilliant) satire of Marvel Studios Avengers movies in a way that a comic book (ANY comic book) never could. As for the comic, I find it embodies many of the trends I seriously dislike about contemporary comics: pat story arcs pre-built to be reprinted in trade paperbacks, obviously modeling a prominent character after a contemporary film actor in hopes of getting a live-action adaptation, and being dark and edgy solely for the sake of shock value. "Balls deep" is perfect terminology, Sacha, as Ennis finds characters who obsessively put their dicks in unusual things endlessly funny. I and the queen are not amused.
With so much stuff being shot in TO now it's becoming a lot less 'hey, i know that intersection!' than it used to, but The Boys was especially noticeable, I agree. The train-yard where A-Train is working out about half way through the season is 5 minutes from my house.
"Have you ever recognized places in TV shows?" I live in New York City and I work in Midtown Manhattan. Constantly. And I too find it hilarious whenever they badly try to make somewhere else (often Toronto) look like here, or a car chase magically goes from one part of the city to a completely different part. Also, still the most destroyed city in film and television!
I think it's a shame that Amazon cancelled 'The Tick' at the same time it green-lit 'The Boys'. It was interesting as 'The Tick' seemed to be moving toward a combination of the de-construction / re-construction tropes with the Super-Hero genre.
As for Garth Ennis being a comic book writer who dislikes super-heroes, (well, I think he sort of, kinda, hints at that) he grew up reading British / Irish comics in the 1970's and '80's. Like myself. These comics were usually weekly anthologies with 4/5 strips. The genre of the strips were mostly sport, WW1 + 2, horror and science-fiction. Some comics were a mix of genres, some were a specific subject, e.g. 'Battle' (for boys) focussed on war, Misty (for girls) focussed on the supernatural. However, genres could be mashed up. 2000ad, which produced Judge Dredd, is probably the most well known example. Ennis would also have encountered 'Warrior' in 1982, a British anthology monthly where Alan Moore's 'Marvelman' was seen for the first time, which is the grandaddy of the grounded, deconstructed superhero - (although I am already standing up to be corrected). So the comics Ennis would have loved and read as a kid were hero centric but not neccesarily Super-Hero centric. And Ennis grew up in 70's and 80's Northern Ireland, during the 'Troubles', (his first strip, 'Troubled Souls', was about the conflict he would have seen first hand) and this may well have contributed to the harsh, cynical edge his work has.
I remember when _Grimm_ was being filmed in Portland, and I was working in Portland. At least they weren't trying to pretend it was a different city. (Portland looks like no other city anywhere.) Still, they took so many ridiculous liberties with the city. (Rosalie's spice shop in the Pearl District? That bordered on ludicrous. Should have been on Hawthorn or Belmont.) I actually did some outside work for their prop department, which was fun. (I built ladder steps that ended up going down into a sewer. Didn't know that at the time, just knew it was for the production company.) They also filmed a lot in the area where I worked, but usually not while I was there. I just recognized a lot of locations. Usually to laugh at them. Another great example was a sign that said "Sauvie's Island." I saw it and went: "That's not Sauvie's Island. That's Kelley Point Park." Then a couple scenes later was basically a reverse angle to the first to a new sign that said "Kelley Point Park." I about fell out of my chair.
My favourite "bad at hiding that we are filming in Toronto" moment is in the MCU Hulk movie. The big fight with the Abomination happens right outside the old Sam the Record Man superstore. I used to work in their jazz & blues room back in the day. You just can't miss that massive lit-up sign. ;)
Garth Ennis just doesn’t do it for me. I don’t like his outlook on life or especially superheroes. While I do think he fits The Punisher , everything else is just 🤢 🗑
Lanier Burton Check out Hitman. It’s an old 90’s series he did set in the canon DCU. It’s still got the Ennis “edge, but nowhere near as bad as his later stuff. And no matter how much Ennis rants about Superheroes, Hitman shows he had a surprising soft spot for Superman.
Yep same. You can deconstruct heroes in this way and look at them from a different perspective WITHOUT shitting on anyone and everyone else who might not look at it that way. But no, he's gotta be a smarmy asshole and take a shit on anyone who thinks differently than him. What a revolting way to be.
Garth’s outlook on life is very existentialist, which is a good thing. I can’t see how someone wouldn’t like that idea. What do you think his outlook is? Nihilist or cynical? Cause that’s quite the opposite.
Because he hates superheroes comic He grew up with Comic about Army and Soldier though, that explained his greatness in Punisher comic However, his idealism is Pretty Based Superhero and Escapism is just like a drug todays and it doesn't do it for me
I initially wasn't on board with all the changes made in the TV show, but I recently did a re-read of the series and with that fresh view to compare, I think you're absolutely right. The TV and the books should be enjoyed as separate entities. There's phrases and language in the comic that absolutely would not fly on the big/small screen, and there's a lot of weird plot stuff that almost seems unnecessary in the books that they've bypassed in the show, and I think the story benefits from the streamlining. Making The Deep a more fleshed out character was a good move, as well. I'm excited for season 2, though I'm unsure about the Stormfront redo. And I really hope they include Vasilii in the show. He's such a great character in the books.
I live in NYC so I get alot of I've been there before. However, I also get the moments where I'm told the setting is NYC and I look at it and can tell they didn't film here. Also moments where the background is clearly a set in a studio but I can tell what the original location inspiration was.
I was introduced to the comic series back in 2012 or 2013, the series was either just ending or was ended. I can't recall how The Boys came up but it was discussed on a forum I frequented to chat about printed media (this place introduced me to stuff like The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck and other cool treasures). People were talking about how it was a series that had a lot of good ideas but those ideas were either not executed well or it was overshadowed by waaaay too much gross out everything. I searched the series out and read the first 10-12 issues before dropping it. I did like some of the larger ideas it was pushing like corporately owned superheroes and the protections that gave them but a lot of the "humour" just made me roll my eyes and ask "who was this written for? 13 year olds that screech 'rape' into their headsets while they're gaming?" and the way a lot of the characters were written just came off as really mean-spirited and petty. When I heard that Amazon was releasing the series I was curious, both because I felt that the concept of the story was good and because I was sure that Amazon wasn't going to have nearly as much of the over-the-top squicky shit as the comics, just a feeling. As far as I'm concerned the show is absolutely doing the concept justice and still keeps a lot of the squicky stuff in but does it in a tasteful manner, if that makes sense. I think one of the big things that I appreciate more in the show than what was in the comic is that Billy Butcher is not a good person and even in the more tender moments of the show that give him depth we are still shown that he is *very* petty and a huuuuuuge asshole. As opposed to the comic where he acted the same way but instead his actions are lionized and I got the feeling that I, as the audience, was supposed to be cheering him on
Hint no its Ennis making fun of the audience having them cheering for the main villain of the story there are some masterful twists and commentary hidden under the frat boy humor cover, and Butcher is most definitely not someone anyone who finished the comics would route for.
I think that in the “real world” there would be a mix of superheroes that act like characters from DC/Marvel and ones that act like characters in The Boys
I watched you on another UA-cam channel and you made me want to watch The Boys. I did and I freaking loved it. Now I’m reading through it and I freaking love it. Thanks for the recommendation. I respect your taste in the medium.
A lot of Doctor Who and Torchwood is shot around Cardiff. Whenever I watch those I get a chuckle out of it and the way they shoot things from different angles to make it look like a different place. Theres multiple scenes in the same museum hall.
I discovered this channel a few days ago and have been watching all of her videos and this is probably my new favourite channel and she deserves more subs keep up the good work 👍
The "I've been there" moment I've had a number of times, as I went to school at Cal State University Northridge, and the distinctive library front has been used for a number of TV shows/movies, including (on the geek side of things) Sky High (as the schoolfront) and Star Trek (2009) (as the main Starfleet Academy building). . Regarding The Boys: Darick Robertson is my favorite penciler of all time, so of course I bought this, both in individual issues, and now the Omnibuses as well. I love that they include his art in the TV show as well where appropriate.
I was going to say "I WISH I was sleeping on the boys😏" but uhhhh, I've seen the show and parts of the comics... so I'd rather not brutally die at the hands of any of these characters 🤣🤣
I thought you were referencing a play on words. A friend of mine from my old job was very keen to tell me how he keeps his copies of "Preacher" and "The Boys" in the same box, so whenever anybody finds them together he can be like: "It's not what it looks like!"
The comic is purposly... "try hard", like when Homelander ear drums pop and screams "F---ing N---ger!" Like... Okay. Ennis may hate the medium, but he has soften his tone over the years, plus them Marvel checks babyeeeee! Also, I love the show, it streamlined that edge to something palatable, characters likable and understandable, and plus overt cynicism is something i've loss tolerance for yeas ago.
been collecting for years, but this and Comic Tropes are the only subs I have so far - I had ignored this whole genre of channel for the last few years...enjoy your content thanks for the work and vids.
I like how both channels talk about comics they clearly have read and care about. I find a lot of the list based content is a mixture of shallow and clearly researched on wikis without bothering to actually read the sited comics.
Have never read it but have heard a lot about the series and the show. One superhero deconstruction I'd like to see is the "Now I have superpowers! I'll use them to help save the world!" and in 2 issues manages to start doing so. Even in a super heroic reality shouldn't it take a while for someone to figure out how their powers work? Personally, I think if superpowerrs existed the world would be more of a combination of The Incredibles (after supers were banned) and My Hero Academia, were heroes work under government sanction and have strict requirements on what they're supposed to do.
I was walking up Yonge and saw a sign for the Apollo. I thought to myself "we're getting an Apollo? Weird." Next thing you know I'm watching the Incredible Hulk stomp past Sam the Record Man in his fight with the Abomination, and I see the Apollo sign.
I think that the entire run of the body differed wildly in quality. It was like the storylines weren't really plotted out so much as in service of those big shock moments. It did have great worldbuilding, though. Some of the best issues were the ones that peered into the sordid past of the Voight corporation showing how they were constantly failing upward. I do think that the Amazon series did one thing better and that is keeping the Boys fully human. Since they were capable of just killing any superhero with their bare hands in the book there wasn't much in the way of tension.
Had the same Canadian filming experience. Was trying to get to a bar in Winnipeg and found myself walking through Candace Cameron's set, confused by the fake New York subway entrances that went nowhere.
I gotta be honest. I tried to read the book, but I just didn't get anything out of it. Just felt like an angry man ranting at me for how dumb my interests are and I get enough of that just being on the internet. I feel like if you read one Superhero Deconstruction you've read them all. But that's me.
To me that's pretty obviously not true, but whatever. I think it' should go without saying you can have a deconstruction that's just concerned with speculative realism, rather than outright contempt for the genre. If that's not appealing to you, you're either in denial about the world you're living in, or your perfectly comfortable with the absolute escapism derived from unrealistic fantasies. Either way that doesn't mean all alternatives to your preferences are "pretty much the same."
Look, I agree with you that the original comic of The Boys is trash, but you could just easily make the same statement about superhero stories in general. They’re all essentially the same.
Garth Ennis only does Super Hero books to get his War books funded. If you have not read his War books you don't know what you are missing. You can tell instantly that is his true love. Edit: If you think The Boys in over the top, you should check out Crossed. That will leave you needing therapy.
I live in Tucson, AZ near Davis-Monthan AFB (which has one of the largest Air Force plane boneyard in the world). Both "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro man" and "Transformers" have used this location for filming (though somehow "Transformers" decided to make it seem like the boneyard was just outside the Smithsonian in D.C.). I also live near Old Tucson where hundreds of films and TV shows were filmed dating back to 1940. I grew up in Buffalo N.Y. and personally witnessed both "The Natural" (Robert Redford) and "Bruce Almighty" (Jim Carey) being partially filmed there.
With "I've been there!" I had a //lot// of that with Joker where most of the locations either were places I knew, or got distracted trying to place, particularly with the stuff filmed in Jersey City ^_^
I totally get it about the tv series not trying to mask that it's Toronto. I live in Vancouver. Same problem. The one that sticks out the most for me is Friday the 13th part VIII: Jason takes Vancouver ... I mean Manhattan. lol.
I totally get super excited when I recognize locations from TV shows. The first season of Preacher was filmed locally and the "Flavor Station" is walking distance from where I live and where I eat (before the pandemic) at least once a week. I get so nerdy about it there is one scene I pause so I can point out a little pellet gun hole in the window in my favorite booth.
Deconstruction can only take you so far. After a while it becomes one note. It's weird that people call something "grin 'n' gritty" more realistic when their actual real life is rarely that at all! Sooner or later, you have to reconstruct superheros in a more modern way.We shouldn't be beholden to Watchmen or The Boys or Dark Knight Returns because they're more "serious". Deconstruction can be a giant dead end if you're not careful. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk!
By that logic real life is simply mundane, assuming we're not underestimating how hard it is for _most_ people on planet Earth to get by. When you're dealing with violence though... people suffer, that makes grim and gritty more realistic. It's a little like arguing that it's unrealistic for all of the characters in "Atlanta" to be black, because black people make up roughly 12% of the American population. This argument would not only miss the context of the show's setting on a macro level, Atlanta, GA, where there is a majority black population, but on a micro level, which is the specific neighborhoods the characters occupy. It also begs the question if we're to look at things from such a broad perspective, then why not expand that perspective to the entire planet? Now Atlanta is full of Asians... Like with most things: realism is relative. It's realistic for people who have more power to take advantage of people with less power, and for the people with less power to worship them. So the speculative fiction approach to superheroes translates to douchebags.
There are a couple of elements in the show that I vastly prefer and a couple of comic arcs I prefer. It varies I'm super curious to see what the show is going to do with Black Noir.
@@CasuallyComics Yeah I doubt he's even the same character as he was in the comics but I'm curious to see what they'll do. I agree, I especially liked Stillwell portrayals in both media despite how different they were.
11:00 I use to work in Los Angeles and got a lot of jobs putting lighting and staging in different locations for a myriad of events. Found my self on the Universal lot...a lot. I use to laugh every time I watched SLIDERS. There was always a corner, or stairs, or alley of some 'place' that was familiar.
I've liked where the TV show has gone, easing up on some of the gratuitousness of the source material, bringing in Simon Pegg, and giving a little extra time to most of the characters. Looking forward to season 2 and seeing what they do with Stormfront.
Sasha please talk about Garth Ennis masterpiece ”Crossed" the ongoing series has great Ennis did the first couple arcs and then either left or rotated with other writers the book was awesome....at one point one of the 'crossed' ( who where rage zombies that retained some knowledge but only knowledge that would help them kill and can and wants to infect others) is hanging out the window of a car their driving with an infected baby in their hand that they are driving towards a group of uninfected with the intent of splattering the infant on or around them to infect them as if the baby was some kind of biological weapon grenade.....one of the greatest comic panels I've ever seen
Saw season 1 and have not read the book or season 2 (yet) But I agree with you that Ennis sometimes goes overboard for the sake of overboard. Loved Preacher, but there were some things he did that seemed to go against scene or character just to offend. Not deal breaker for me, but it's nice to know i'm not alone. Also, this is a shallow and unimportant point, but I love your makeup and hair! You rock!
The “deconstruction of Superheroes” shtick is such a cliche now. So tired of that Edgelord bullshit. More Grant Morrisons and fewer Garth Ennises, I say!
Other series have done this "deconstruction" take vastly better - Flaming Carrot, Miracle Man, Marshal Law (well, the Fear and Loathing run) and Astro City, to name a few. And I've been a fan of most of Ennis' work, especially Hellblazer, Preacher and his run on The Demon. He says nothing about the state of comics, or pretty much anything for that matter, with The Boys. Just schmears a thin plot over as much shock value as possible with seemingly the only purpose for it all being complete destruction. And he'd pretty much already done this in Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe, just not as graphically.
I still really need to check this show out, heard really good things about. In response to your question of recognizing places in movies, there is one for me! The aggressively average Tim Allen movie "Joe Somebody" filmed several scenes in the Twin Cities where I live, and one of them was even filmed in my schools gym! I remember them massively fixing/remodeling it for the shoot and several days of the entire parking lot being filled up with the production crew and actor's trailers. I even got a glimpse of Tim Allen walking the halls of my school as I hung out in my mom's classroom.
Love the show. Haven't read the comics. Might give them a shot. On the "I've been there" tip, I lived in Austin for 15 years and saw a lot of bits and pieces in movies and even some stuff filmed and sat in as an extra. My favorite was that watching Livingstone and Anniston film their parking lot scene for Office Space. They used a store across from the paper and pen store I was a manager at. I stood on the balcony sipping a beer with a friend while they shot. It's surreal seeing it from a distance and at an odd angle then seeing how it comes out in film.
Hitman is one of my all time favorite comic series. Many if the themes of The Boys were, let's say, tested out in the pages of Hitman. A fantastic story.
living in Vancouver, I have accidentally made my way into a few shows. Most notably when I was cutting through an alley and wandered through the filming of Fantastic Four 2
I know this is over a year late, but a lot of Batman vs. Superman was filmed in Detroit and Lex's house is the Broad Art Museum at MSU so watching that movie is like, "I know that place. I've been there. Oh hey, I've driven down that street." And there are a couple of very distinctive Chicago buildings used as Metropolis so it's very jarring sometimes. Also almost all of the Nolan Batman movies and the recent Batman movie are very much Gotham skin slapped onto Chicago guts so watching the movies, I'm always looking out for what's Chicago and what's other places.
I've been really enjoying the Casually Comics reviews and character origins, but to hear the response to the "Toronto Masking" made me giggle madly for a number of reasons. Living in Calgary, we have had our fair share of movies (less so in the last decade) and tv shows that have used us as a stand in (the C Train passing by in Superman 3 is priceless, plus the numerous iconic buildings in downtown Metropolis / Calgary always come to mind) for American cities. Or as has been remarked, ever notice how many alien planets in StarGate: SG1 and Lost In Space (Netflix) look like interior BC? X Files certainly had its fair share as well for several seasons. Highlander the Series as well. Looking forward to more tales of comics!
Evil superhero is a double fault. Heroes cant be evil. Heroes are heroes. And I think billy butcher is a villain. He wears all black hes violent and has a creepy grin
I used to live in LA so it was always cool when you can undress a scene and be like, That’s the 405, look that’s my street sign, that’s not the Midwest, that’s down the road.
Great episode! I read The Boys bound paperback volumes 1-4 prior to the first season coming out on Amazon. I kind of knew I would, having been a fan of Preacher. The TV adaptation has been, so far, an excellent re-imagining of the series, and I enjoyed it just as much as the comics, although they are clearly different creatures.
On the topic of "I've Been There!" There is a movie that every Canadian, especially those that live in Montreal or Toronto should see, Bon Cop, Bad Cop. My best friend lived about a half block away from the roadside bar they visit. Oddly enough, the changes they made for the movie makes it look like a different roadside bar not too far from MY house.
I have done the recognize the location game with Marvel movies since they are filmed in Atlanta and Savannah, Georgia. I've ridden on that bridge, I was in that building, I drove by that park. The same with Stranger Things. I feel that The Boys is like the other end of the superhero scale, DC had, in the past, the fantasy light world where The Boys have the fantasy dark world, The Watchmen were somewhere in between. Marvel has always been a bit more "realistic" and has not fallen too much into the "superheros are perfect" trope, they were gritty without trying to be dark and gritty. Sasha, the glowing mom, likes some Harley Quin.
I forgot! My 'I've Been There!' moment was a couple of years ago when Thor: Ragnarok did a bunch of its New York scenes here in Brisbane, Australia. I had a friend who was living at a university dormitory and all the scenes with Thor and Loki being on the street happened directly outside of it. Most of the block had mocked up 'New York' cabs and fire engines, as location dressing. Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston were particularly gracious with those that came to watch and they had a good chat, thanking them for being there. The same area also got used for Pacific Rim 2. Less said about *that* movie the better....
Someone on a video pointed out the hypocrisy of Hollywood. "You should pay your fair share of taxes, but we're going to Australia or Canada so we don't have to pay the high cost of filming in New York or Los Angeles."
i don't care for it at all, but you are delightful and so i watched. seriously, you make me smile and your demeanor reminds me of my daughter... who is perfecr.
@@CasuallyComics No, it is not. Usually my wife will get mad when I start a show based on a comic without her, even if she's never heard of it, because she enjoys them. This is a woman who loves Preacher. I never showed her the comic, but she decided after season 1 ep1, The Boys were not for her.
I have not read all of it but it was good. That being said, it can be strong juju. Certainly, your mileage may vary. I am glad Sasha warned you because you do not want to walk into this, not know whats about to happen.
I think the comic series had a strong ending. At least for Butcher, which I'm fairly sure they will not be doing in the TV series. Usually Ennis gives 'Marshal Law' as an example of something by someone that really hates superheroes - but he didn't this time - so I guess I'll have to instead. "They say I don't pray for my enemies. I do. I pray they go to hell".
I know this is like.. a year old by now, but as someone who loves the boys, I can say I pretty much agree with you whoally. like, Im glad I read the comics, but I do find the new series is taking a different, more understandable slant to the same ideas.
The Boys tv series is a scream. It makes me want to read the Boys, which is what any adaptation should strive for. You did a great job spreading the seeds in all your viewers to get us to take a taste and see how it fares as adaptations go. I love the Umbrella Academy Netflix show. Will you do a video on it?
I was really worried that the TV series was going to be horrible, but was pleasantly surprised by how good it was. It's very different, and had to be, but it works well. The spirit of the characters is there. Although I do hope they manage to put in the stripper/kryptonite line.
One thing I liked way more about the show was that the human characters don't use that pill and rely on tactics. That's way more engaging than just using super strength to beat superhumans. I had to drop the comic mostly because it felt too mean. Enjoying the show though. I think the themes of power and corruption are better explored there as well.
"I can write about life as I find it"
I've read the comic...I feel bad for this dude if that's how he sees life
A lot of Brits do, we live in an aristocracy.
Not everything sunshine and rainbow mate
Where do you live hmm???
Usually Brits comic always related to Rebellious stuff consider how crazy the government back in the day
I mean the comics are cynical but they always present the idea that there is hope at the end of the road
On the topic of "I've Been There!" When I was getting my Masters degree, my wife and I lived in eastern NM. She had a back injury, and the only sufficient hospital was 3 1/2 hours away in Albuquerque. We had a number of times we had to run up to ABQ for doctors visits and, being poor grad students, we stayed at a cheap-ass motel right across the road. It was rough, dirty, and unpleasant, but fit our needs and budget.
Years later, Breaking Bad hits the screen. Guess which hotel was featured as the 'meth motel' in the first show? Yuuuuup! The Crossroads! In it's pretty accurately depicted glory!
I honestly prefer the series to the original, it's a lot smarter with it's evil.
Some of the things that happen in the comic feel like they're there just to give Ennis a chuckle. The man *really* does not like superheroes.
You don’t mean like when he throws abused children out of a plane or the rough sex just killing characters in disgusting ways because the author has problems and probably jerks occ to his own comic?
That has definitely happened to me. I'm from Baltimore, where they filmed the majority of Captain America:Winter Soldier,but they were supposed to be in D.C. The overpass where Bucky snatched Sitwell out off the car. I was on it the other day and with Cap being my favorite hero whenever I watch it I just yell out the spots in my town at the tv😎
"I didn't grow up with superheroes. I despise superheroes. So, naturally, I'm a comic book writer."
Yeah...maybe that's the point. When he was growing up there _were_ other comics besides superhero comics.
@@futurestoryteller okay, then why write about superheroes? Ironically that's become the thing he's known for.
@@ProjektTaku How is this question even serious?
@@futurestoryteller because it is. If you don't like superheroes, don't write about them. Write about westerns or knights or something.
If you're not even going to bother writing a piece that actually deconstructs the superheroes like alan moore, and is just a hate piece, then don't write it at all. If a manga creator doesn't like superheroes do you see them writing the equivalent of an angry tweet about heroes where their oc murders a bunch of nerds in spandex?
@@ProjektTaku So in your mind, in a capitalist economy, you can just write about whatever you want regardless of what the market is doing?
Sasha is adorable. I could watch her talk about carpenter ants.
She could summarize War&Peace and it would be entertaining.
Right?
Yea, I'm more than ok with not ever touch the comic version of The Boys again.
It's one thing to deconstruct something & even give more than a few jabs. It's another thing altogether when you're just being an ass.
I love how he said “film and tv BY superheroes” as if there’s just an insane amount of superheroes writing and producing their own shows
So basically Garth Ennis is the real life Lex Luthor.
I mean being a depressed and nihilistic curmudgeon is fine when its just you, but being so ego driven you want your nihilistic outlook to be felt by others, thats starting to border on something sociopathic. I like dark stories and dark twists myself, I loved the Authority comics before dc brought them because of their being an almost parody of other superheroes, but it still had depth to the characters at times.
Saying 'superheroes are shit so I want to mock them' however is just senseless and shows lack of creativity. It also shows how you don't want good values to be given to people like fighting for a better world, freedoms, justice, saving the little guy, standing as an example for something better, these are positive values that can teach younger people how to be better human beings.
Saying superheroes don't have value is like saying doctors don't have value because we're all going to die anyway.
Never would have noticed that the Boys wasn't filmed in the U.S. Great show and I'm sure I'll get the comic eventually
I would have guessed; because Amazon is cheap.
I used to live in a building that was constantly being filmed, but I never saw it in anything. Then finally it was on one episode of "Agents of Shield".
I love my teacher Mr.A I don’t remember his name, but he was so cool and also a comic nerd, when he saw me reading a Spawn and a few new Issues at the time X-Men comics in 2013, he came to me and gave me his whole stack of The Boy’s and said i noticed you also like Comics and he actually went to school with Todd McFarlane back in there high school years, they weren’t friends but just classmates who worked with each other here and there in some classes. He has a early spawn drawing by him on his desk, but anyways after he told me his Todd McFarlane school years he said i’d like this series as it’s gritty, dark, and also very very good story on how Billy The Kid hates Heroes and the Heroes in this series aren’t truly heroic all the time. Has nice twist on the Hero style of comics, since then I always have to thank my English teacher Mr.A for recommended me this series in High school, he eventually allowed me to keep his copies of The Boys as a graduation gift and also for being a great student and actually listened to what he was teaching as i was homeless and was actually focusing on school and getting out of it, and now i live on my own fully graduated and still have his comics. Sadly Mr.A transferred schools and I don’t where to thank him again on helping me get through the dark times in my life back in my high school years 2011-13 and surviving the streets with this series and my comics getting through it all.
Give a student copies of The Boys might not have been the best career move. It sounds like he was grooming you.
I feel like at this point the dark and edgy superhero deconstruction has become part of the genre in itself rather than pushing the reader to view the genre in a new light it becomes a natural part of it like saving the damsel in distress
I agree but also the boys isn’t that. I feel like it’s intentionally written as dumb ( it’s more of a critique of MIE) to the point where Superhero writer are more like haha.
"Evil superhero" is an oxymoron--an evil super-powered person is called a Supervillain.
More like a "human" superhero--one who is flawed, not the traditional boy scout, and has the same vexes/vices as the rest of us peons.
Soldiers sometimes abuse drugs. Cops sometimes kill and rob people. Firefighters sometimes beat their wives. Elected leaders are sometimes accused of sexual misconduct. Astronauts have farts that smell bad.
Sometimes a person's public facing life is one that we as a society explicitly default to hero-worshipping, while their private life reveals them to be no less than a monster. That's the premise of "The Boys"
@@beaniepq Anti-hero is the term for someone who straddles the line between hero and villain.
They are superheros as their profession, it's a job title, not a statement of character.
@@kinginthenorth1437 Superhero is their profession only in the sense that Vought markets them as such to the public. However, in meta-conversation about them as characters, they are not heroes but villains. Well, except maybe for Maeve and Starlight, who don't behave like villains for the most part.
Garth Ennis: The Living Embodiment of "Stop Having Fun."
"How dare you enjoy things that I don't also enjoy"
With season 2 coming I was waiting for your expert commentary Sasha.
So excited, well as excited as I let myself get for these things lol
Sasha got the Harley hair and shirt!!
Yes embrace your inner Quinn! ❤🖤
The deconstruction of the superhero genre is nothing new, the 80s and 90s was over saturated with it like The Squadron Supreme, The One, The Brat Pack, The Maximortal and Watchmen. Marvel had a very underrated series in the early 2000s with Supreme Power under the Max line. Hyperion went nuts after finding out his whole life was a lie, discovering how the government was propagating him and other power beings, which he was the main cause of because his ship spread a virus that turn certain people into supers.
Loved that series. So glad I got the Hard cover version
Honestly I'm a bit tired of deconstructions and at this point I'm more fond of works that tries to recostruct the genre instead.
The Purple Man you’re correct, the boys is nothing knew, miracleman in 1982 kind of started the trend and Ennis hasn’t gotten over this trope yet to my amazement,
The boys was a slog for me, more stupid and juvenile than gritty and mature. And I’m sick to death of these British writers thinking they’re sooo coooooool and edgy and innovative for writing these bleak anti superhero comics. I recommend Invincible by Robert kirkman instead, a book that actually did something knew and achieved so so so so very much more than the boys ever could.
This is something to add to my to read list.
Supreme Power was an excellent series. One of my all time favorites.
The boys always felt to me like it was just trying to be “dark” to be dark. Sometimes this is handled well and sometimes not well.
Uncle Ben I agree, Invincible by kirkman is 100 times better, my recommendation
The show is better then the comics
Read about 30 issues including the _Herogasm_ mini and whilst I really like Ennis's work found it not really progressing anywhere during the large chunk of stuff I read and was just Ennis been transgressive for the sake of transgression. Wasn't looking forward to the series but really enjoyed it.
As to Ennis's opinion on superheros, he's got no time for them, except for Superman, take a look at _Hitman_ 34.
The same goes for Batman and Wonder Woman.
"So! Did you like the TV show?"
*Humming Billy Joel's "We didn't start the fire" intensifies*
I definitely prefer the show, and your video has helped me to pinpoint exactly why that is: shifting the medium from comics to live action allows the show to be a one-of-a-kind (and, frankly, brilliant) satire of Marvel Studios Avengers movies in a way that a comic book (ANY comic book) never could.
As for the comic, I find it embodies many of the trends I seriously dislike about contemporary comics: pat story arcs pre-built to be reprinted in trade paperbacks, obviously modeling a prominent character after a contemporary film actor in hopes of getting a live-action adaptation, and being dark and edgy solely for the sake of shock value.
"Balls deep" is perfect terminology, Sacha, as Ennis finds characters who obsessively put their dicks in unusual things endlessly funny. I and the queen are not amused.
With so much stuff being shot in TO now it's becoming a lot less 'hey, i know that intersection!' than it used to, but The Boys was especially noticeable, I agree.
The train-yard where A-Train is working out about half way through the season is 5 minutes from my house.
"Have you ever recognized places in TV shows?"
I live in New York City and I work in Midtown Manhattan.
Constantly. And I too find it hilarious whenever they badly try to make somewhere else (often Toronto) look like here, or a car chase magically goes from one part of the city to a completely different part.
Also, still the most destroyed city in film and television!
After living in Vancouver for several years I definitely have those "I know where that is!" moments when watching shows/movies filmed there.
I think it's a shame that Amazon cancelled 'The Tick' at the same time it green-lit 'The Boys'. It was interesting as 'The Tick' seemed to be moving toward a combination of the de-construction / re-construction tropes with the Super-Hero genre.
As for Garth Ennis being a comic book writer who dislikes super-heroes, (well, I think he sort of, kinda, hints at that) he grew up reading British / Irish comics in the 1970's and '80's. Like myself. These comics were usually weekly anthologies with 4/5 strips. The genre of the strips were mostly sport, WW1 + 2, horror and science-fiction. Some comics were a mix of genres, some were a specific subject, e.g. 'Battle' (for boys) focussed on war, Misty (for girls) focussed on the supernatural. However, genres could be mashed up. 2000ad, which produced Judge Dredd, is probably the most well known example. Ennis would also have encountered 'Warrior' in 1982, a British anthology monthly where Alan Moore's 'Marvelman' was seen for the first time, which is the grandaddy of the grounded, deconstructed superhero - (although I am already standing up to be corrected). So the comics Ennis would have loved and read as a kid were hero centric but not neccesarily Super-Hero centric. And Ennis grew up in 70's and 80's Northern Ireland, during the 'Troubles', (his first strip, 'Troubled Souls', was about the conflict he would have seen first hand) and this may well have contributed to the harsh, cynical edge his work has.
I remember when _Grimm_ was being filmed in Portland, and I was working in Portland. At least they weren't trying to pretend it was a different city. (Portland looks like no other city anywhere.) Still, they took so many ridiculous liberties with the city. (Rosalie's spice shop in the Pearl District? That bordered on ludicrous. Should have been on Hawthorn or Belmont.) I actually did some outside work for their prop department, which was fun. (I built ladder steps that ended up going down into a sewer. Didn't know that at the time, just knew it was for the production company.) They also filmed a lot in the area where I worked, but usually not while I was there. I just recognized a lot of locations. Usually to laugh at them.
Another great example was a sign that said "Sauvie's Island." I saw it and went: "That's not Sauvie's Island. That's Kelley Point Park." Then a couple scenes later was basically a reverse angle to the first to a new sign that said "Kelley Point Park." I about fell out of my chair.
My favourite "bad at hiding that we are filming in Toronto" moment is in the MCU Hulk movie. The big fight with the Abomination happens right outside the old Sam the Record Man superstore. I used to work in their jazz & blues room back in the day. You just can't miss that massive lit-up sign. ;)
Garth Ennis just doesn’t do it for me. I don’t like his outlook on life or especially superheroes. While I do think he fits The Punisher , everything else is just 🤢 🗑
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Check out Hitman. It’s an old 90’s series he did set in the canon DCU. It’s still got the Ennis “edge, but nowhere near as bad as his later stuff.
And no matter how much Ennis rants about Superheroes, Hitman shows he had a surprising soft spot for Superman.
Yep same. You can deconstruct heroes in this way and look at them from a different perspective WITHOUT shitting on anyone and everyone else who might not look at it that way. But no, he's gotta be a smarmy asshole and take a shit on anyone who thinks differently than him. What a revolting way to be.
@@archer1949 Well it superman
Actually from vis point oc view won t superman ne ennemi number one
Garth’s outlook on life is very existentialist, which is a good thing. I can’t see how someone wouldn’t like that idea. What do you think his outlook is? Nihilist or cynical? Cause that’s quite the opposite.
Because he hates superheroes comic
He grew up with Comic about Army and Soldier though, that explained his greatness in Punisher comic
However, his idealism is Pretty Based
Superhero and Escapism is just like a drug todays and it doesn't do it for me
I initially wasn't on board with all the changes made in the TV show, but I recently did a re-read of the series and with that fresh view to compare, I think you're absolutely right. The TV and the books should be enjoyed as separate entities. There's phrases and language in the comic that absolutely would not fly on the big/small screen, and there's a lot of weird plot stuff that almost seems unnecessary in the books that they've bypassed in the show, and I think the story benefits from the streamlining.
Making The Deep a more fleshed out character was a good move, as well. I'm excited for season 2, though I'm unsure about the Stormfront redo. And I really hope they include Vasilii in the show. He's such a great character in the books.
I live in NYC so I get alot of I've been there before. However, I also get the moments where I'm told the setting is NYC and I look at it and can tell they didn't film here. Also moments where the background is clearly a set in a studio but I can tell what the original location inspiration was.
Oh Canada where the maple syrup flows and the filming tax is low
I was introduced to the comic series back in 2012 or 2013, the series was either just ending or was ended. I can't recall how The Boys came up but it was discussed on a forum I frequented to chat about printed media (this place introduced me to stuff like The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck and other cool treasures). People were talking about how it was a series that had a lot of good ideas but those ideas were either not executed well or it was overshadowed by waaaay too much gross out everything. I searched the series out and read the first 10-12 issues before dropping it. I did like some of the larger ideas it was pushing like corporately owned superheroes and the protections that gave them but a lot of the "humour" just made me roll my eyes and ask "who was this written for? 13 year olds that screech 'rape' into their headsets while they're gaming?" and the way a lot of the characters were written just came off as really mean-spirited and petty.
When I heard that Amazon was releasing the series I was curious, both because I felt that the concept of the story was good and because I was sure that Amazon wasn't going to have nearly as much of the over-the-top squicky shit as the comics, just a feeling. As far as I'm concerned the show is absolutely doing the concept justice and still keeps a lot of the squicky stuff in but does it in a tasteful manner, if that makes sense.
I think one of the big things that I appreciate more in the show than what was in the comic is that Billy Butcher is not a good person and even in the more tender moments of the show that give him depth we are still shown that he is *very* petty and a huuuuuuge asshole. As opposed to the comic where he acted the same way but instead his actions are lionized and I got the feeling that I, as the audience, was supposed to be cheering him on
Hint no its Ennis making fun of the audience having them cheering for the main villain of the story there are some masterful twists and commentary hidden under the frat boy humor cover, and Butcher is most definitely not someone anyone who finished the comics would route for.
I think that in the “real world” there would be a mix of superheroes that act like characters from DC/Marvel and ones that act like characters in The Boys
Okay, you caught me off guard with "Redbeard"... that made me bark laughter.
I watched you on another UA-cam channel and you made me want to watch The Boys. I did and I freaking loved it. Now I’m reading through it and I freaking love it. Thanks for the recommendation. I respect your taste in the medium.
A lot of Doctor Who and Torchwood is shot around Cardiff. Whenever I watch those I get a chuckle out of it and the way they shoot things from different angles to make it look like a different place. Theres multiple scenes in the same museum hall.
I discovered this channel a few days ago and have been watching all of her videos and this is probably my new favourite channel and she deserves more subs keep up the good work 👍
The "I've been there" moment I've had a number of times, as I went to school at Cal State University Northridge, and the distinctive library front has been used for a number of TV shows/movies, including (on the geek side of things) Sky High (as the schoolfront) and Star Trek (2009) (as the main Starfleet Academy building).
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Regarding The Boys: Darick Robertson is my favorite penciler of all time, so of course I bought this, both in individual issues, and now the Omnibuses as well. I love that they include his art in the TV show as well where appropriate.
I was going to say "I WISH I was sleeping on the boys😏" but uhhhh, I've seen the show and parts of the comics... so I'd rather not brutally die at the hands of any of these characters 🤣🤣
I thought you were referencing a play on words. A friend of mine from my old job was very keen to tell me how he keeps his copies of "Preacher" and "The Boys" in the same box, so whenever anybody finds them together he can be like: "It's not what it looks like!"
"The meme E, the meme." Immediately laughing at the start of the video
The comic is purposly... "try hard", like when Homelander ear drums pop and screams "F---ing N---ger!" Like... Okay. Ennis may hate the medium, but he has soften his tone over the years, plus them Marvel checks babyeeeee!
Also, I love the show, it streamlined that edge to something palatable, characters likable and understandable, and plus overt cynicism is something i've loss tolerance for yeas ago.
Nice to hear from you. Still I'm not that big of a fan of Ennis' approach of deconstruction. Though I'll admit, the story progresses
Ennis has a cynicism for the superhero genre, not a hate for the comics medium. although he does have a soft spot for Superman believe it or not.
Reminds me of Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight by the amount of racial slurs and violence there is.
been collecting for years, but this and Comic Tropes are the only subs I have so far - I had ignored this whole genre of channel for the last few years...enjoy your content thanks for the work and vids.
I like how both channels talk about comics they clearly have read and care about. I find a lot of the list based content is a mixture of shallow and clearly researched on wikis without bothering to actually read the sited comics.
Have never read it but have heard a lot about the series and the show. One superhero deconstruction I'd like to see is the "Now I have superpowers! I'll use them to help save the world!" and in 2 issues manages to start doing so. Even in a super heroic reality shouldn't it take a while for someone to figure out how their powers work? Personally, I think if superpowerrs existed the world would be more of a combination of The Incredibles (after supers were banned) and My Hero Academia, were heroes work under government sanction and have strict requirements on what they're supposed to do.
I was walking up Yonge and saw a sign for the Apollo. I thought to myself "we're getting an Apollo? Weird." Next thing you know I'm watching the Incredible Hulk stomp past Sam the Record Man in his fight with the Abomination, and I see the Apollo sign.
I think that the entire run of the body differed wildly in quality. It was like the storylines weren't really plotted out so much as in service of those big shock moments. It did have great worldbuilding, though. Some of the best issues were the ones that peered into the sordid past of the Voight corporation showing how they were constantly failing upward. I do think that the Amazon series did one thing better and that is keeping the Boys fully human. Since they were capable of just killing any superhero with their bare hands in the book there wasn't much in the way of tension.
I like the concept but it's a bit too grim for my tastes, already went through depression with watchmen, non enthusiast to go through that again
Had the same Canadian filming experience. Was trying to get to a bar in Winnipeg and found myself walking through Candace Cameron's set, confused by the fake New York subway entrances that went nowhere.
2:15 Ennis does like Superman, Superman is the only hero he treats with respect in Hitman.
I gotta be honest. I tried to read the book, but I just didn't get anything out of it. Just felt like an angry man ranting at me for how dumb my interests are and I get enough of that just being on the internet.
I feel like if you read one Superhero Deconstruction you've read them all. But that's me.
To me that's pretty obviously not true, but whatever.
I think it' should go without saying you can have a deconstruction that's just concerned with speculative realism, rather than outright contempt for the genre. If that's not appealing to you, you're either in denial about the world you're living in, or your perfectly comfortable with the absolute escapism derived from unrealistic fantasies. Either way that doesn't mean all alternatives to your preferences are "pretty much the same."
If you want an actual deconstruction, try Squadron Supreme.
@@dragonstormx Meh, Try Marshal Law or The Brat Pack along with The Maximortal if you want a complete superhero deconstruction.
Look, I agree with you that the original comic of The Boys is trash, but you could just easily make the same statement about superhero stories in general. They’re all essentially the same.
Garth Ennis only does Super Hero books to get his War books funded. If you have not read his War books you don't know what you are missing. You can tell instantly that is his true love.
Edit: If you think The Boys in over the top, you should check out Crossed. That will leave you needing therapy.
I looked at and crossed and decided I'm good
Crossed is a loooot...
I grew up on the same war comics that Garth Ennis did. He does the genre justice.
I lost it when Sasha said "If you're into going balls deep, literally and figuratively..."! Sasha goes hard in the paint!
1:20 Hey, I've read Fist of the North Star beginning to end, as well as The Illiad. Bring it!
I live in Tucson, AZ near Davis-Monthan AFB (which has one of the largest Air Force plane boneyard in the world). Both "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro man" and "Transformers" have used this location for filming (though somehow "Transformers" decided to make it seem like the boneyard was just outside the Smithsonian in D.C.). I also live near Old Tucson where hundreds of films and TV shows were filmed dating back to 1940. I grew up in Buffalo N.Y. and personally witnessed both "The Natural" (Robert Redford) and "Bruce Almighty" (Jim Carey) being partially filmed there.
With "I've been there!" I had a //lot// of that with Joker where most of the locations either were places I knew, or got distracted trying to place, particularly with the stuff filmed in Jersey City ^_^
I totally get it about the tv series not trying to mask that it's Toronto. I live in Vancouver. Same problem. The one that sticks out the most for me is Friday the 13th part VIII: Jason takes Vancouver ... I mean Manhattan. lol.
Dear Sascha, never stop. Your channel is ze-best!
I've not read "The Boys", but I love the show! For superhero deconstruction, I think Alan Moore's Marvelman/Miracleman is brilliant!
I totally get super excited when I recognize locations from TV shows. The first season of Preacher was filmed locally and the "Flavor Station" is walking distance from where I live and where I eat (before the pandemic) at least once a week. I get so nerdy about it there is one scene I pause so I can point out a little pellet gun hole in the window in my favorite booth.
Deconstruction can only take you so far. After a while it becomes one note. It's weird that people call something "grin 'n' gritty" more realistic when their actual real life is rarely that at all! Sooner or later, you have to reconstruct superheros in a more modern way.We shouldn't be beholden to Watchmen or The Boys or Dark Knight Returns because they're more "serious". Deconstruction can be a giant dead end if you're not careful. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk!
Thanks, Ted
By that logic real life is simply mundane, assuming we're not underestimating how hard it is for _most_ people on planet Earth to get by. When you're dealing with violence though... people suffer, that makes grim and gritty more realistic.
It's a little like arguing that it's unrealistic for all of the characters in "Atlanta" to be black, because black people make up roughly 12% of the American population. This argument would not only miss the context of the show's setting on a macro level, Atlanta, GA, where there is a majority black population, but on a micro level, which is the specific neighborhoods the characters occupy. It also begs the question if we're to look at things from such a broad perspective, then why not expand that perspective to the entire planet? Now Atlanta is full of Asians... Like with most things: realism is relative. It's realistic for people who have more power to take advantage of people with less power, and for the people with less power to worship them. So the speculative fiction approach to superheroes translates to douchebags.
Just when think The Boys went to far. you find out Garth has another series called Crossed.
Ngl I liked the Boys but I felt it went too far for no reason (especially Herogasm) and I actually prefer the show over the comics
There are a couple of elements in the show that I vastly prefer and a couple of comic arcs I prefer. It varies I'm super curious to see what the show is going to do with Black Noir.
@@CasuallyComics Yeah I doubt he's even the same character as he was in the comics but I'm curious to see what they'll do. I agree, I especially liked Stillwell portrayals in both media despite how different they were.
I hope he's Homelander with a constant joke smile
After learning how Mother's Milk got his name in the comics, I *completely* agree with you.
@@beaniepq Yeah and the Homelander blackmail pictures
11:00 I use to work in Los Angeles and got a lot of jobs putting lighting and staging in different locations
for a myriad of events. Found my self on the Universal lot...a lot.
I use to laugh every time I watched SLIDERS. There was always a corner, or stairs, or alley of some 'place' that was familiar.
I've liked where the TV show has gone, easing up on some of the gratuitousness of the source material, bringing in Simon Pegg, and giving a little extra time to most of the characters. Looking forward to season 2 and seeing what they do with Stormfront.
Since I frequent Atlanta I knew the feeling quite well, and since i live in chattanooga ive been getting that even more lately.
Sasha!
I kept waiting for either the alarm to go off or the explosion to happen!
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Sasha please talk about Garth Ennis masterpiece ”Crossed" the ongoing series has great Ennis did the first couple arcs and then either left or rotated with other writers the book was awesome....at one point one of the 'crossed' ( who where rage zombies that retained some knowledge but only knowledge that would help them kill and can and wants to infect others) is hanging out the window of a car their driving with an infected baby in their hand that they are driving towards a group of uninfected with the intent of splattering the infant on or around them to infect them as if the baby was some kind of biological weapon grenade.....one of the greatest comic panels I've ever seen
OH MY GOD!!
DON'T PUT THE HAMPSTER UP THERE!!!
D:
.....poor little guy
Saw season 1 and have not read the book or season 2 (yet) But I agree with you that Ennis sometimes goes overboard for the sake of overboard. Loved Preacher, but there were some things he did that seemed to go against scene or character just to offend. Not deal breaker for me, but it's nice to know i'm not alone. Also, this is a shallow and unimportant point, but I love your makeup and hair! You rock!
The “deconstruction of Superheroes” shtick is such a cliche now. So tired of that Edgelord bullshit.
More Grant Morrisons and fewer Garth Ennises, I say!
Other series have done this "deconstruction" take vastly better - Flaming Carrot, Miracle Man, Marshal Law (well, the Fear and Loathing run) and Astro City, to name a few. And I've been a fan of most of Ennis' work, especially Hellblazer, Preacher and his run on The Demon. He says nothing about the state of comics, or pretty much anything for that matter, with The Boys. Just schmears a thin plot over as much shock value as possible with seemingly the only purpose for it all being complete destruction. And he'd pretty much already done this in Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe, just not as graphically.
I still really need to check this show out, heard really good things about.
In response to your question of recognizing places in movies, there is one for me! The aggressively average Tim Allen movie "Joe Somebody" filmed several scenes in the Twin Cities where I live, and one of them was even filmed in my schools gym! I remember them massively fixing/remodeling it for the shoot and several days of the entire parking lot being filled up with the production crew and actor's trailers. I even got a glimpse of Tim Allen walking the halls of my school as I hung out in my mom's classroom.
Love the show. Haven't read the comics. Might give them a shot. On the "I've been there" tip, I lived in Austin for 15 years and saw a lot of bits and pieces in movies and even some stuff filmed and sat in as an extra. My favorite was that watching Livingstone and Anniston film their parking lot scene for Office Space. They used a store across from the paper and pen store I was a manager at. I stood on the balcony sipping a beer with a friend while they shot. It's surreal seeing it from a distance and at an odd angle then seeing how it comes out in film.
Hitman is one of my all time favorite comic series. Many if the themes of The Boys were, let's say, tested out in the pages of Hitman.
A fantastic story.
living in Vancouver, I have accidentally made my way into a few shows. Most notably when I was cutting through an alley and wandered through the filming of Fantastic Four 2
Yes. Lived in Toronto area for 15 years. So I do get laughs seeing shots in movie or tv shows of Toronto when it’s supposed to be somewhere else.
There’s a fine line between Deconstruction or just- just destroying it
Really excellent breakdown and analysis
I know this is over a year late, but a lot of Batman vs. Superman was filmed in Detroit and Lex's house is the Broad Art Museum at MSU so watching that movie is like, "I know that place. I've been there. Oh hey, I've driven down that street." And there are a couple of very distinctive Chicago buildings used as Metropolis so it's very jarring sometimes. Also almost all of the Nolan Batman movies and the recent Batman movie are very much Gotham skin slapped onto Chicago guts so watching the movies, I'm always looking out for what's Chicago and what's other places.
I used to work at one of the buildings in the intersection in Chicago where, in Batman Begins, they blew up a truck.
I've been really enjoying the Casually Comics reviews and character origins, but to hear the response to the "Toronto Masking" made me giggle madly for a number of reasons. Living in Calgary, we have had our fair share of movies (less so in the last decade) and tv shows that have used us as a stand in (the C Train passing by in Superman 3 is priceless, plus the numerous iconic buildings in downtown Metropolis / Calgary always come to mind) for American cities. Or as has been remarked, ever notice how many alien planets in StarGate: SG1 and Lost In Space (Netflix) look like interior BC? X Files certainly had its fair share as well for several seasons. Highlander the Series as well.
Looking forward to more tales of comics!
Evil superhero is a double fault. Heroes cant be evil. Heroes are heroes. And I think billy butcher is a villain. He wears all black hes violent and has a creepy grin
I used to live in LA so it was always cool when you can undress a scene and be like, That’s the 405, look that’s my street sign, that’s not the Midwest, that’s down the road.
im real excited about Aya Cash as Stormfront. she was great in "you're the worst"
Yeah, I am sleeping on it. Wake me when Ennis has something new to say about super heroes.
Great episode! I read The Boys bound paperback volumes 1-4 prior to the first season coming out on Amazon. I kind of knew I would, having been a fan of Preacher. The TV adaptation has been, so far, an excellent re-imagining of the series, and I enjoyed it just as much as the comics, although they are clearly different creatures.
On the topic of "I've Been There!" There is a movie that every Canadian, especially those that live in Montreal or Toronto should see, Bon Cop, Bad Cop. My best friend lived about a half block away from the roadside bar they visit. Oddly enough, the changes they made for the movie makes it look like a different roadside bar not too far from MY house.
Honestly. I wouldn’t mind seeing more reconstructions. But the boys is fucking great.
I have done the recognize the location game with Marvel movies since they are filmed in Atlanta and Savannah, Georgia. I've ridden on that bridge, I was in that building, I drove by that park. The same with Stranger Things.
I feel that The Boys is like the other end of the superhero scale, DC had, in the past, the fantasy light world where The Boys have the fantasy dark world, The Watchmen were somewhere in between. Marvel has always been a bit more "realistic" and has not fallen too much into the "superheros are perfect" trope, they were gritty without trying to be dark and gritty.
Sasha, the glowing mom, likes some Harley Quin.
I forgot! My 'I've Been There!' moment was a couple of years ago when Thor: Ragnarok did a bunch of its New York scenes here in Brisbane, Australia. I had a friend who was living at a university dormitory and all the scenes with Thor and Loki being on the street happened directly outside of it. Most of the block had mocked up 'New York' cabs and fire engines, as location dressing. Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston were particularly gracious with those that came to watch and they had a good chat, thanking them for being there.
The same area also got used for Pacific Rim 2. Less said about *that* movie the better....
Someone on a video pointed out the hypocrisy of Hollywood. "You should pay your fair share of taxes, but we're going to Australia or Canada so we don't have to pay the high cost of filming in New York or Los Angeles."
i don't care for it at all, but you are delightful and so i watched.
seriously, you make me smile and your demeanor reminds me of my daughter... who is perfecr.
I hadn't thought about how hard it would be to comply with UA-cam guidelines and do an episode on the boys
Lol definitely not family friendly.
@@CasuallyComics No, it is not. Usually my wife will get mad when I start a show based on a comic without her, even if she's never heard of it, because she enjoys them. This is a woman who loves Preacher. I never showed her the comic, but she decided after season 1 ep1, The Boys were not for her.
@@CasuallyComics you'd be hard pressed to find someone the book is friendly to.
I have not read all of it but it was good. That being said, it can be strong juju. Certainly, your mileage may vary. I am glad Sasha warned you because you do not want to walk into this, not know whats about to happen.
I think the comic series had a strong ending. At least for Butcher, which I'm fairly sure they will not be doing in the TV series. Usually Ennis gives 'Marshal Law' as an example of something by someone that really hates superheroes - but he didn't this time - so I guess I'll have to instead.
"They say I don't pray for my enemies. I do. I pray they go to hell".
I know this is like.. a year old by now, but as someone who loves the boys, I can say I pretty much agree with you whoally. like, Im glad I read the comics, but I do find the new series is taking a different, more understandable slant to the same ideas.
I love listening to this woman talk about comics so much. ffs more people need to subscribe to her.
The Boys tv series is a scream. It makes me want to read the Boys, which is what any adaptation should strive for. You did a great job spreading the seeds in all your viewers to get us to take a taste and see how it fares as adaptations go. I love the Umbrella Academy Netflix show. Will you do a video on it?
I was really worried that the TV series was going to be horrible, but was pleasantly surprised by how good it was. It's very different, and had to be, but it works well. The spirit of the characters is there. Although I do hope they manage to put in the stripper/kryptonite line.
I live in atlanta. Donald Glover has a show called Atlanta. Although with the bigger budget movies i cant tell they were downtown.
I preferred Irredeemable over The Boys. Different tone, obviously, but I felt it did the "evil Superman" better.
One thing I liked way more about the show was that the human characters don't use that pill and rely on tactics. That's way more engaging than just using super strength to beat superhumans.
I had to drop the comic mostly because it felt too mean. Enjoying the show though. I think the themes of power and corruption are better explored there as well.