One of the main things I practice on the range, the chipping area & the putting green is having super-lite hand pressure. It's 100% clear to me that one of the keys to distance and accuracy in every area of golf is eliminating tension in the body, including the hands.
This is a good analysis, Brendon. Mike Malaska and a few others always talk about grip pressure being light so that the (loose) wrists can let go of the club much quicker at impact. If I recall correctly, I believe it was either Faldo or Nicklaus who claimed that grip pressure should "feel" the same all throughout the swing. Maybe their "feel" was not real, as is usually the case. Keeping the same grip pressure works for me only during putts, chips, pitches, and half swings. Never on full swings.
Very insightful thanks. Would love to see the graphs side by side pro vs am or like hack motion solid line vs dotter. Wonder how this would compliment hand speed reading via gears or dewiz
This grip pattern is for swingers. John Erickson’s pattern would be different being a hitter. Put John on the device and see, also Milo Lines would be interesting 🤔
Did you look at your force pattern for air swings and then compare to hitting a ball? Wonder if desire to hit the ball straight overrides your intent relative to your grip pressure in the downswing.
It would be interesting who he has been able to measure. ie which pros? And post their results. Brendan's swing having a short / cutoff finish adds to the re-squeezing. I think you should try not even thinking about squeezing from the top. Think 'light' all the way through and also try and finish the swing posted up on left hand side where everything feels light. All the instruction to super rotate and use your body as the power adder has corrupted your swing imho. The body release swing creates the short static finish rather than flowing (which will totally change grip pressure). nb...I'm sure I can remember a training aid at least 20+ years ago which Arnold Palmer endorsed. It was a grip that beeped when a certain pressure was exerted. Can't remember the name. I do think this is valid research though.
I'm not sure we can consciously relax our hands.... We can however increase the ground force to catapult the action. This would cause an unconscious squeeze to propel the club? When I watched Pro's swing in person I realized how little effort the arms played in their downswing and how active their feet were before and during the swing
So this means that jumbo grips should benefit you as you can squeeze the grip with a greater force? Is this one of the reasons why Bryson uses jumbo grips?
@@mikewilsongolf yes but the data would suggest that you would start letting go of the club around p5 and the club would probably be thrown at the ground not out in front of you.
These are interesting lessons with all the gadgets. However, unless you’re a really good golfer to start out you’d probably want to be working on other things to develop a good swing. In fact I could write a book on people and their attitudes towards golf as a sport. The “perfect swing” can be learned, but I don’t think most people are willing to learn the movements of the “perfect swing.” It takes some considerable thinking and work to learn the movements - the positions and sequencing, and to practice enough and well to “groove” what is correct, vs practicing and grooving bad moves. But looking at this video there’s certainly a pattern of changing forces. But I would guess that maybe this grip pressure measurement pattern is a a “symptom” or “effect” as opposed to a “cause.” Good to see your grip pressure pattern and to know where you are at, then use that information to understand if you are swinging wrong, or right. Ground force pattern is surely also good information. But is any of this necessary? I’d say for some athletic people, no, but for other athletic people and “not very athletic people,” yes. But I would see this as “way advanced stuff.” Most of people learning golf have terrible body positions and bad footwork and use their shoulders poorly and just poke at the ball with their hands and arms - and most of those just won’t ever take a lesson, as they are content to be hackers. Some think it is absurd to practice and work on a swing. Some tried lessons but got no benefit - either because their instructor just wasn’t too good or they just refused to take input (they knew better than their instructor).
My son took up indoor golf during Covid lockdown. I have a launch monitor in garage. He was 19. Had never hit a ball with driver in his life. After only a few months, his ballspeed was 180. It was insane. The crazy thing is that on occasion, he would let the club go and the club would go flying behind him and hit the garage door behind him. Maybe his light grip pressure was his secret
Grip Pressure may be the UNIFYING ELEMENT of golf. @bebettergolf Please measure @milolinesgolf and @lagpressure as well as someone that readily works the ball both ways. The REVELATION is that pressure isn't a 4 or 9 or any other constant. It's probably 2-9-3 with a jet of toothpaste during the first part of the downswing. 😂 Hogan knew the increase was natural so thinking baby bird everwhere else wasn't bad for most people. Shawn @golflessons would have you throw the club into a net so zero grip pressure for a true release. It seems Kirill's club could handle a net throw. Back in 260cc driver days, I could hit a fade by retaining more pressure with my trail hand. This video has me ready to pull out an old club and experiment with pressure from duck hook to big slice...a body stall and zero pressure flip is almost a 90* hook...sometimes good in the trees but never useful off the tee. 😢 Too much grip pressure is an absolute killer for pitch and sand shots where you need a full release.
When he asked if you wanted to see some pros data and you said no, if the goal of video is teaching us viewers, you absolutely needed to say yes and share that data, since that’s all I was waiting to see
This really seems to demonstrate that pros are literally throwing or letting go of the club as much as possible. However this doesn’t line up with all of the past data claiming that you have to have really strong hands to hold onto the club at impact because it’s creating 100lbs or more of force pulling the club away from you.
That 100 lbs (driver) would be during the downward pull to accelerate the hands. At the release point where the clubhead is passing the hands, there is much less force. Watch Fred Couples and Vijay Singh’s right hands completely letting go of the grip through impact.
@@tomkoss07they are swingers. Many of the great players were hitters so I’m sure their pattern was different, it would be interesting to see the differences between a swinger and a hitter
@@cdunne1620 Absolutely would! Maybe Brendon could get some of the data comparing either of those two (or Jake Knapp) compared to more of a hitter (say, Bryson).
There is a lot of data that says pros max hand speed is about when the hands are about 40 - 50 cm before impact . The right hand passes the left through impact. So the left is slowing relative to the right, but they are both slowing.
I have to agree with this conclusion. I'd love to think there's some great secret being unlocked here - but I just don't see it, if I'm honest. I think the pressure releases slightly as a consequence of it being strongest on the downswing, it's a relative easing necessary to allow the club to accelerate through impact. It's not an earth-shattering revelation, it's just not been seen in this graphic form. Consciously trying to grip the club less firmly during impact will create more problems I think. I do agree that gripping it so tight you lose your fluidity and tempo is an issue. If you're a decent golfer though, you probably need not worry about this grip pressure stuff, I think.
Thanks to Kirill and to YOU for watching!
One of the main things I practice on the range, the chipping area & the putting green is having super-lite hand pressure. It's 100% clear to me that one of the keys to distance and accuracy in every area of golf is eliminating tension in the body, including the hands.
Super interesting. I always wondered about grip pressure through impact and between hands.
Let Kirill show some pro data man!
Pretty excited to see these guys. I was a test subject a few years back during a Mike Adams lesson at Fiddlers Elbow Golf Club
This is a good analysis, Brendon. Mike Malaska and a few others always talk about grip pressure being light so that the (loose) wrists can let go of the club much quicker at impact.
If I recall correctly, I believe it was either Faldo or Nicklaus who claimed that grip pressure should "feel" the same all throughout the swing. Maybe their "feel" was not real, as is usually the case. Keeping the same grip pressure works for me only during putts, chips, pitches, and half swings. Never on full swings.
Very insightful thanks.
Would love to see the graphs side by side pro vs am or like hack motion solid line vs dotter.
Wonder how this would compliment hand speed reading via gears or dewiz
This grip pattern is for swingers. John Erickson’s pattern would be different being a hitter. Put John on the device and see, also Milo Lines would be interesting 🤔
Milo is a swinger in the purest sense of the word
Did you look at your force pattern for air swings and then compare to hitting a ball? Wonder if desire to hit the ball straight overrides your intent relative to your grip pressure in the downswing.
Could be. I am going to be doing some more stuff w kirill
It would be interesting who he has been able to measure. ie which pros? And post their results. Brendan's swing having a short / cutoff finish adds to the re-squeezing. I think you should try not even thinking about squeezing from the top. Think 'light' all the way through and also try and finish the swing posted up on left hand side where everything feels light. All the instruction to super rotate and use your body as the power adder has corrupted your swing imho. The body release swing creates the short static finish rather than flowing (which will totally change grip pressure).
nb...I'm sure I can remember a training aid at least 20+ years ago which Arnold Palmer endorsed. It was a grip that beeped when a certain pressure was exerted. Can't remember the name. I do think this is valid research though.
I remember you talking about grip pressure being measured a few years ago and looks like this is coming!
It would be interesting to see the ball data with a launch monitor as you make grip pressure changes
I'm not sure we can consciously relax our hands....
We can however increase the ground force to catapult the action.
This would cause an unconscious squeeze to propel the club?
When I watched Pro's swing in person I realized how little effort the arms played in their downswing and how active their feet were before and during the swing
So this means that jumbo grips should benefit you as you can squeeze the grip with a greater force? Is this one of the reasons why Bryson uses jumbo grips?
Much like the old Fred Shoemaker Club Throw. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
@@mikewilsongolf yes but the data would suggest that you would start letting go of the club around p5 and the club would probably be thrown at the ground not out in front of you.
we need the golf vlogs back!
What was p6 ? The max or just before p6 is max?
These are interesting lessons with all the gadgets. However, unless you’re a really good golfer to start out you’d probably want to be working on other things to develop a good swing. In fact I could write a book on people and their attitudes towards golf as a sport. The “perfect swing” can be learned, but I don’t think most people are willing to learn the movements of the “perfect swing.” It takes some considerable thinking and work to learn the movements - the positions and sequencing, and to practice enough and well to “groove” what is correct, vs practicing and grooving bad moves. But looking at this video there’s certainly a pattern of changing forces. But I would guess that maybe this grip pressure measurement pattern is a a “symptom” or “effect” as opposed to a “cause.” Good to see your grip pressure pattern and to know where you are at, then use that information to understand if you are swinging wrong, or right. Ground force pattern is surely also good information. But is any of this necessary? I’d say for some athletic people, no, but for other athletic people and “not very athletic people,” yes. But I would see this as “way advanced stuff.” Most of people learning golf have terrible body positions and bad footwork and use their shoulders poorly and just poke at the ball with their hands and arms - and most of those just won’t ever take a lesson, as they are content to be hackers. Some think it is absurd to practice and work on a swing. Some tried lessons but got no benefit - either because their instructor just wasn’t too good or they just refused to take input (they knew better than their instructor).
My son took up indoor golf during Covid lockdown. I have a launch monitor in garage. He was 19. Had never hit a ball with driver in his life. After only a few months, his ballspeed was 180. It was insane. The crazy thing is that on occasion, he would let the club go and the club would go flying behind him and hit the garage door behind him. Maybe his light grip pressure was his secret
Great story, sounds like talent and ignorance perfectly married for this goofy game.
Grip Pressure may be the UNIFYING ELEMENT of golf. @bebettergolf Please measure @milolinesgolf and @lagpressure as well as someone that readily works the ball both ways.
The REVELATION is that pressure isn't a 4 or 9 or any other constant. It's probably 2-9-3 with a jet of toothpaste during the first part of the downswing. 😂
Hogan knew the increase was natural so thinking baby bird everwhere else wasn't bad for most people.
Shawn @golflessons would have you throw the club into a net so zero grip pressure for a true release. It seems Kirill's club could handle a net throw.
Back in 260cc driver days, I could hit a fade by retaining more pressure with my trail hand. This video has me ready to pull out an old club and experiment with pressure from duck hook to big slice...a body stall and zero pressure flip is almost a 90* hook...sometimes good in the trees but never useful off the tee. 😢
Too much grip pressure is an absolute killer for pitch and sand shots where you need a full release.
Interesting stuff here!
Likely harder to do with over top motion😊
Worked for me!
Well done!
When he asked if you wanted to see some pros data and you said no, if the goal of video is teaching us viewers, you absolutely needed to say yes and share that data, since that’s all I was waiting to see
Right but he did show the pros but had to blur their faces
Brillant ! ⛳
I like to see if all pros release all the tension , or as the comments below state is this a swingers method as opposed To a hitters method
@@hazmat8770 not all but at least 2/3. So if they are squeezing 100 percent at p5 then by impact they are squeezing only 35 or so
Vijay Singh lets go with the trail hand at contact.
Wow this is superrrrr interesting
Ricki Fowler would be a great Pro to demonstrate the sequence. He "looks" like he does that naturally.
Be great to see Martin Ayers on this
This really seems to demonstrate that pros are literally throwing or letting go of the club as much as possible. However this doesn’t line up with all of the past data claiming that you have to have really strong hands to hold onto the club at impact because it’s creating 100lbs or more of force pulling the club away from you.
That 100 lbs (driver) would be during the downward pull to accelerate the hands. At the release point where the clubhead is passing the hands, there is much less force. Watch Fred Couples and Vijay Singh’s right hands completely letting go of the grip through impact.
@@tomkoss07they are swingers. Many of the great players were hitters so I’m sure their pattern was different, it would be interesting to see the differences between a swinger and a hitter
@@cdunne1620 Absolutely would! Maybe Brendon could get some of the data comparing either of those two (or Jake Knapp) compared to more of a hitter (say, Bryson).
There is a lot of data that says pros max hand speed is about when the hands are about 40 - 50 cm before impact .
The right hand passes the left through impact. So the left is slowing relative to the right, but they are both slowing.
Thats why right handed golfers should play left handed
Interesting 🤔
What bull shit!! DO YOU think a hockey player who hits a slap shot thinks about that shit?
I have to agree with this conclusion. I'd love to think there's some great secret being unlocked here - but I just don't see it, if I'm honest. I think the pressure releases slightly as a consequence of it being strongest on the downswing, it's a relative easing necessary to allow the club to accelerate through impact. It's not an earth-shattering revelation, it's just not been seen in this graphic form. Consciously trying to grip the club less firmly during impact will create more problems I think. I do agree that gripping it so tight you lose your fluidity and tempo is an issue. If you're a decent golfer though, you probably need not worry about this grip pressure stuff, I think.