Harley Benton 2x12 | Do the China made V30's sound that bad?
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2020
- Hey guys! I wanted to do another comparison between the Chinese made V30s that come stock in Harley Benton Vertical celestion speaker loaded cabs, and the UK made V30's that are synonymous with Mesa cabinets. In my previous video, I swapped out the Chinese Vintage 30's for the UK Vintage 30's, but since I ordered a second Harley Benton vertical cabinet, I thought.. why not just directly compare them!
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You managed to capture a very 90’s Metal sound with the Chinese V30’s, nice!
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I thought the same thing! I like it
Congrats on hitting 1000 subs! This is definitely one of those comparisons I wish I could hear in the room, really interested to hear if an EQ curve can compensate for the differences. Cheers!
Thank you so much! 🙌 I know... I wish I had a good way to do this. Maybe a lav mic while I walk around during rehersal??
Just found your channel, i love it! Great Work!
Thank you, and welcome! 🙌
Hey Taylor! Something that I didn't find yet on UA-cam and that would be really nice to do, in my opinion, would be a video where you try to make the Stock chinese V30s sound like the UK mesa V30s by tweaking them with different methods. For exemple, you could try with a parametric EQ (cutting and/or adding frequencies), or by changing the mic placement, or just by tweaking the amp's parameters or anything you could think of.
Even if it's not exactly identical, it would be interesting to see if it would require a lot of tweak and time to get close to the sound of the UK mesa V30s or, for exemple, if just by tweaking a parametric EQ for 4-5 minutes, you would get to something really close to the UK Mesa V30s.
Subsribed! Keep on the good works! Cheers!
Hey that's a great idea! I'm actually in the process of doing this for my live sound, so I'll have to follow up with a vid once I get it dialed! Thanks for subscibing!🙌
This is a great idea. Because a lot of us would love to see if it possible to sound closer to a mesa with some tweaking
@@philfort7886 yesss
@@TaylorDanley Did you end up doing that video ?
How long does it take to break in a pair of Chinese v30's?
Good video/test! According some even the highend speakers have big differences... I know one famous went in to a guitar store and listened to each and every one of the speakers of all their Marshall cabs, then marked four of them to be put in one cab. Anyway I'd say the HB G212 vintage is very good value for money!!
Wow dramatic difference. Was not expecting that. Chinese sound fizzy. UK sound perfect to my ears.
Well thank you for saving me $300+. I was planning in buying one from Thomann but I think I'll just keep saving and buy something with a fuller sound. It sounded a lot thinner and fuzzier than the other. I like the thicker ballsier sound of the UK 30s.
Just want to say I found your channel like a week ago and I've been binge watching the shit out of your vids. Alot of them being watched multiple times. Stoked I found you man. Also, whatup with American me? My old band played a show with you guys and I think oceano in like 2010 in Clearwater fl I think it was. Somewhere in fl for sure lol. Also, you've sold me on that ampero as soon as I can afford it
Billy, that's so cool to hear! Thank you so much!!
American Me is still around, we are all Dads now and family is the focus of our lives. We play shows here and there and have been releasing singles lately. No tour plans at the moment, but you never know... that could change!
@@TaylorDanley I get it man. I'm a dad now too. Exact reason I stopped playing shows. I think in going to learn how to record though so I can at least write some music. I have that itch again to play constantly
@@billyturk8117 Hell yeah, do it! Nothing like having a creative outlet and being able to write songs!
The China made V30's seem like a good deal, but I'd rather spend the extra money to get the UK made ones instead. Thanks for helping me with my purchase.
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I have a Harley Benton Verticle paired with An Orange Dark Terror for heavy tones...my budget version of a Dual Rectifier, haha. I think it sounds great.
Well you have a GREAT amp and a GOOD speaker so it should. It probably would sound "better" with a cab with UK v30s, but at the end of the day. It's wether or not it's worth it to you. I use a Subzero 1x12 with my Peavy Lunchbox, it sounds great. I only notice a difference when I play with a friend who uses his Jim Root Orange Mini Head and Orange 2x12. The sound if definitely better than mine. But I'm in no hurry to spend another 500+. When my Subzero dies, I'll probably go for a mroe expensive cab, but until then it is just fine for me
I'll be honest: I have always preferred the China made Celestion V30's. There: I said it!
I have to agree man! I like the Chinese ones
You guys are insane.
They are brighter. You literally have more tone to dial in.
Agreed, the bright chinese ones actually cut through a mix better sometimes. They really shit the bed though with actives/clean tones big time.
I like both. i've made 2x12 cab with one chinese and one made in uk. sounds good to me.
Are the MESA v30s the same Ohmage and wattage? That plays a huge role in the tone. Higher ohmage and higher wattage give the speakers a tighter bottom end, less "fatness" and a more fizzy top end. Just listen to the difference between a 16ohm and 8 ohm v30 at the same wattage, or listen to the differences between like, the Jensen Tornado Stealth at 60w, 80w, and 100w. You can really hear the difference that both Ohmage and wattage play in the overall sound of the amp.
the best comparison by far, I am in love with the Chinese v30...I am ashamed LOL
Don't be my favorite guitar ever is south Korean ...my favorite vehicles are Toyota's or Hondas, my favorite food is Mexican lol tbh made in America, or uk or whatever doesn't mean fucking squat
would love to hear both at the same time, since im thinking about getting an HB and a mesa and using them at the same time
I have extensive experience with Mesa's V30 cabs and have also used Chinese made V30's. The difference to me is almost like the difference between broken in speakers and fresh speakers. In fact that is exactly what I hear in this comparison. There are slight differences between the upper mids and highs of the two different V30 speakers. I don't think anyone would argue that. But if I had to hazard a guess, I would say your Chinese V30's also have fewer hours on them. I also think that Chinese V30's benefit from an extended break in period. The upper mids and high end become more pleasing and less "harsh" when properly broken in. It just takes time.
Another good option is Avatar's Hellatone speaker line. They are pre broken in versions of Celestion speakers.
Thanks for the suggestion. To be honest, I have two of the HB cabinets, one of which was broken in for probably 40+ play hours at quite loud volumes before the other arrived. When the new one arrived, I couldn't tell the difference between the two, although that's just my perception playing in a room with a band...
I had someone else point out that the HB cabs are front loaded as well, which apparently makes a difference... although I did front mount the UK speakers in the same cab, and didn't notice a ton of difference between it and the mesa 4x12 when mic'd close.
You’re only hearing a SLIGHT difference?!
@Mer Luzo, actually you are incorrect. Breaking in or exercising speakers is common knowledge across all audio circles.
Great video!
Thanks!
I should leave it like this! One stock with a little more top end bite and one with less top and bite. That SD powerstage has a shared EQ as you know so this makes the left and right guitars just a little more different, what is good in my book.
I like both, depends on the song and playing style but they both sound good in different ways
Wow. I never would have thought there would be that kind of disparity. British made 1x12 here we go!
How is the construction of the cabs? Would it be worth it to get the cabinet and replace the drivers?
Thanks for demonstrating the difference ,I was considering a Harley Benton with the Chinese vintage 30s, but tearing them now don't sound like they would cut through the mix of a live band very well.
It cuts really well, but it sounds harsh (I have HB 4x12 with Chinese 2013 V30s)
Mine sound just great, not harsh at all. It’s all adjustible. The volume levels are not matched here.
@@tapiocding what version of the HB cab do you have? I have the newer version (16ohm speakers) which has really harsh highs (at least for my liking)
@@ontologicaldiarrhea6582 Hi, I think I have the 8-ohm version, not surprised the 16-ohm sounds shrill. You can connect two 16-ohms in parallel to get 8 ohms.
My question is are the new HB V30's used (broken in) or new right out of the box. How much time (use) is on Mesa 30's. I have noticed when a speaker gets more use it seems to mellow out!
Was gonna get orange 2x12 cab, then after hearing this, I better save up and get a mesa 2x12.
Which one did you buy?
Interesting, how would they green backs sound?
To my understanding the Mesa V30´s are voiced differently compared to the original Chinese V30´s which makes this more a comparison between different speakers than just China vs UK, if you would have taken original spec V30 UK with a v30 China then maybe the difference wouldnt be this big, 8 ohm and 16 ohm speakers sound different as well, so both has to be the same impedance if you want to really make the test China vs UK. Interesting test though, i prefered the Mesa speaker. I own a Harley Benton 2x12 with V30´s and it sounds good.
Maybe 🤷♂️ I'm just working with what I have. I'm sure there are people in similar situations to me, and hopefully I've helped them decide if swapping speakers is worth it (or not) to them! 🙌 Thanks for the suggestion!
@@TaylorDanley I do realise that you work with what you have and its great, it was just a heads up on the possible differences that not everyone may realise, not anything negative. Keep up the good work !!
@@Stefan- Thanks! You're right, some people may not realize those differences.
shut the fuck up. either you like them or you don't. fuck you and your understandings.
Also, cab size makes a big difference in a sound too.
Best way to test would be to use a 1x12 cab and compare the UK mesa, UK original, and the china made.
Man, that Chinese V30 almost sounds like a preamp recorded direct without a cab. NAAAAAAT good.
great video man! Subbed! I was just checking out Harley Benton G412A 4x12 cabs online and I'm shocked to see they are only £166! $274Aus for me... and only $80Aus shipping. BARGAIN! Although maybe I can ask them to chuck V30's in them for a few extra $$$ :D
Awesome, thanks! 🙌 yeah, some people hate on them, hit I think they sound kick ass. It's hard to demonstrate, but everyone who has heard my live rig says it sounds massive and they cant believe I'm not using a 4x12
Pretty sure the Chinese one is 16oM and the UK one is 8oM that's why they sounds different
That's very marginal. They're two differently made products, THAT is why they sound different.
the reality is there's been a few different variations of the v30 that all sound different the V30 UK that wasn't in a specific branded cab, the marshall v30s made for marshall, the mesa v30s and that Chinese ones (which I would bet even there's batches in the Chinese ones that sound different - and that ohm sound difference does exist with the chinese ones...). And there's probably even been more variations than that (the UK non branded ones have also gone through different cone models).
I actually prefer the chinese V30's... Think it sounds more metal! My kind of metal \m/ Nice vid btw \m/
I think chinese sounds some kind of more modern. But to be honest I liked it more too. Anyways we can get all kinds of sounds on both, i think
Metal \m/
more rounded mids on the uks but i dig the chinese made more.
Both sounds good!!!
I hate Chinese v30s, there is a fizz that can't be dialed out. I appreciate the video!!
Nice vid, use used playesd ones, V30 UK ones, these ones sound amazing
I'm convinced the difference has more to do with a well broken in speaker vs a brand new one and also 16 ohm vs 8 ohm.
The Mesa V30 are custom designed by celestion for the mesa's cabinets & are different from the Celestion v30 standard line...also are the all the speakers the same impedance...16 or 8 ohms...???
Yes, I've heard the same from other viewers as well. They are 8 ohms where as the HB v30s are 16.
@@TaylorDanley Thats likely it then. I thought the mesa's had more presence. Makes since now if they are 8ohms vs 16ohmns. The HB cab should be able to do either one.. By any chance you could do a stock HB with a Crush Pro CR120H? Id love to see that combo in low tuning!!
@@TaylorDanley Then how the f*** can you not mention that and how the f*** can you call it a fair comparison?
This was already a known issue with the first video and you insisted on the same mistake!!!
2 16 wired to 8.
Are both speakers burned in correctly? The tone difference is massive!!
I dont think there is any clear definitive way to know for sure! The Mesa speakers are much older, so those are... and the new HB cab has at least 12 hours of play time at live show volumes.
It makes sense that Mesa choose a V30 with less top end, Mesa amps usually tend to have a fair amount of "fizz".
Agreed, and also why mesa likes using the c90 as well I believe
UK V30👍 Great review!
Im totally getting the harley benton vintage 30 2x12. U cant beat it for the money. And if the soeakers arent my cup o tea i can just throw in some used celestion vintage 30s or whatever.
What do u think of those invaders? Thinking about throwing one in my Ibanez RG 7
I love them. They are scooped for sure, but I really like them. They remind me of 00's Nu Metal 😂
You should check out the hotone loudster, a simple 75 Watt power amp
I've seen this, it's on my radar, but I may have to take a break on acquiring new gear before I have an upset wife 😂
Is it better than stock marshalls in your experience?
The Chinese Vintage 30 like a broken Vintage 30 from Mesa xD Holy shit... xDDDD There is so much hiss and loss of clarity.
From which cab you extracted UK speaker?
Hi Taylor, just a question please, how do you know where the speakers are made? In the EU, only the total unit must be marked with the country of manufacture, the individual components do not have to be marked. So a cab could be marked as made in UK, and still have Chinese speakers. The absence of a "made in" sticker does no mean made in UK? Thank you.
The speakers say where they were made on them. I think they have "made in" stickers on them if I remember correctly
Hi Taylor, I have never seen a made in England on a speaker. I was under the impression they only marked the made in China ones, as an EU rule. I believe they are all made in China now for some time. I would be interested to know for sure. Thanks again.
Hi Taylor, they must be old speakers, according to Celestion, all standard Vintage 30s have been made in China since 2003. Only custom units for Mesa are still made in the UK and these are voiced differently.
@@tiptizlode4995 i think the older celestions say "made in ipswich,england" on them...i have some older G12T-75's that say ipswich england on the magnet sticker...the new ones say "celestion International limited" with a made in china sticker on the side of the magnet.....so if it says "Celestion International Limited" it's china(which seems to be where all the new ones are made from what i've seen on sweetwater,MF,etc.)
@@tiptizlode4995 Hi! I have 2 creambacks 65(bought from thomann in 2020) and both are marked "made in uk". It's mentioned also on the site.
I know it's an old video but do you think that the HB V30 can sound smoother after a couple of months/years? I heard that "broken in" speakers sound better and smoother than brand new speakers.
It would surprise me if they didn't sound a little better once they've "loosened up". Also, the speakers could be made to sound much closer to the UK versions with some basic EQ compensation.
the mesa sounds wider but i prefer the harley benton it sounds more defined.
This speakers work in 8 or 16 ohms?
Personally I like the tighter sound of the Chinese v30s...
Same
It's not like they are poor quality so I'm don't see why he's so out to prove one better than the other 😂😆
The Chinese V30's sounded better to me. Plus, you can always dial in a sound that you want.
Should include a Marshall G12 Vintage for completeness.
Fun fact: Mesa V30 (UK) had T4416 (16Ohm version and T4335 8Ohm version) and bigger magnet, and the coil is different also the magnet had less magnetic field in comparison with the Chinese V30 magnet in terms of size and weight
Also the Mesa had the "Original Spec" V30 and the Chinese ones are the "Modern" Production which had T3904 cones
On a general thing there's only 5 types of V30 the Mesa T4335 and T4416, Marshall T3897 and T5321 aka Mode Four V30 /Helatone 60
And the modern ones with T3903 and T3904 cones Who are loaded on ENGL, Orange, Suhr and many other more cabs
Only Mesa and Marshall had custom V30 Speakers
For the Gear Snobs they are a collectable or Rare speakers and pay a lot for the different versions of V30
But in terms of physics and sound
Them are almost the same
Marshalls had more mids in general
Mesa had more low mids and a little spikes in the highs but not like the Chinese ones, more like a Lead12 speaker
Helatone / Mode four had more low mids and less treble almost like a G12H speaker with Bass cone
And the CN V30 had more highs and high mids but balanced
Схороню ка я это куда-то (going to save your comment somewhere) Thanks )
That’s bullshit, my Engle E 412 Slant has British V-30’s. I’m not sure where you got your lying ass news bud.
Great post. Yes, it is my understanding that only Mesa Boogie V30’s are made in the UK now. All others are Chinese. If you open up your cabinet and look at the speakers, the speakers will say “Celestion International LTD” if they are Chinese. If it is the UK made it will say Ipswich Suffolk England on them.
As far as the video as concerned, I am always interested in hearing the ohms of the speakers that are getting used.
8 and 16 ohm speakers sound significantly different.
8 ohms rules. 🤘
@@illuddivinus3309 and just so we are clear, I’m a huge ENGL fan. I have an ENGL Fireball 100 head and I really want an ENGL 4x12 to go with it! 🤘
@@braddtatum make sure you unscrew the back and check your speakers apparently. It’s not hard to spot the real deal.
Yup, still top end fizz! Still hate V30s :) Mesa V30 are more like Hellatones V30, which are broken in at the factory and voiced for Mesa. Would be interesting to break in the Chinese V30 and hear the difference, I might actually start liking stock V30s
Still waiting for it to break in. I'll have to do another side by side in a few months to see if it changed at all
Damn, I just posted a very similar comment. Including referencing the Hellatone speaker like.
Those Chinese V30's definitely need an extended break in period. Also judicious use of presence when setting up your amp tone.
The upper mids of the V30 speaker can be both a blessing and a curse. What helps them cut through so well can also make them very beaky and fatiguing.
The classic Avatar combo of V30'S and G12H30's is a great "in the room" tone. Although I have never used a mixed cab in the studio. They may be a nightmare to mic up.
It might be 1000 subs now but it's definitely going to sky rocket from here \m/
Aw, thanks! We'll see. I'm just happy to be doing this at all! 🙌🙌💯
Put one of each in the speaker cab to hear what that will sound like.
Honestly, the Chinese v30 sounds much more forward, the British made sounds like it’s down a hallway.
Btw how can we use the stock Harley Benton g212 V with amp that have only 16 Ohms output?
I dont think you can without replacing the speakers. You'd want to 8 ohm speakers wired in series I believe (fact check me, I'm not sure)
Taylor Danley so what is the “through” jack about?
@@binhck so you can run a speaker cable from out from the cab and into another. I haven't used it, but I believe that's how it works.
for the heavyR stuff the UKV30 is sounds better to me.. but for the clean sounds China nailed it. Maybe a mixture of two is the best choice 🤷♂
The chinese V30's are thin sounding. But for heavy metal they would sound good. Thanks.
I would like to know the difference between 8 ohm Chinese and UK v30
Me too!
@@TaylorDanley Maybe you are planing to buy one?
@@OsmiumStudios haha, no not anytime soon. But you never know!
yes
i'd love to hear a pair of Eminence Governor VS those MESA V30s..hmm
Are the chinese speakers broken in? They change A LOT once they are!
China V30 are T3903 Speaker (8 ohm) and T3904 Speaker (16 ohm) /// Mesa V30 are T4335 OEM Speaker (8 ohm) and T4416 OEM Speaker (16 ohm) /// Marshal V30 is T3987 OEM Speaker (16 ohm). Maybe this could be interesting for someone.
Are those part numbers? Wow, thanks for sharing!
China v30 actually sounds tight..in a good way
I like the Chinese v30 better that's just me it sounds more crispy in a good way
I don't know for you but for me when i play with a band i put a ear plug...i think it changing all the thing about the top end...
What a difference! The UK made speakers take the crown hands down!
Agreed
For sure,
The REAL V30s.
1) High gain I liked the Mesa V30's better. Fuller sound and less of that high end fizzy sound that I'm always trying to dial out. A lot of people like that though. Especially fans of Orange amps. Lol
But the stock V30's sounded way better for the JM patch
2) So I think fiddling with an EQ and treble on the amp to sort out the hitch end would probably get you the sound you want out of either set of speakers. Probably less work to edit a patch than to switch out the speakers.
But maybe the way they disperse the sound around the room is different and that might make it worth swapping them out? What do you think?
I dont know, I'm contemplating this now. I THINK I can dial out the high end and add some punch to compensate for what's missing... especially now that I'm running and axe fx 3, but it's still really hard to convey what it sounds like in the room. I may wait to play live with it before making a final decision!
I was really excited to buy the HB cab until I saw your videos lol. Using the Peavey Triple X and the HB might just be too much high end brittleness for me 😞😞
Debating whether I want to fork over the money for a Mesa or just try and find a way to make the HB work with the Triple X.
I have the Peavey 6505mh and the HB 2x12 horizontal with v30s and it sounds great. You can dial out the high end fizz.
@@SaintKines exactly. I use a amptweaker defizzerator. James Browns company. He's the guy that helped develop the 5150
Frankly I could not tell the difference... But I'm not sitting next to it obviously
Ah, but what about the Marshall Vintage speakers?
Search for this on UA-cam or on my channel - Celestion Vintage 30 T3904 16 Ohm England vs Celestion Marshall Vintage T3897B 16 Ohm
Are all speakers in this demo 16 ohms? 16 ohms speakers are usually brighter than 8 ohms.
no way just no way. the difference wow
How much of the sound difference is from the "UK V30s" being broken in from hours and hours of playing time?
I have no idea. The UKs definitely have wayyyyy more play time. There are endless internet rabbit holes from audiophiles that suggest what ample play time to break in a speaker is, but I dont think there is a clear cut answer. I definitely put some hours on it before doing this!
@@TaylorDanley I recon play time on speakers is a load of balls to be honest. There really isn't much to them... a coil, a magnet, some cardboard or similar for a cone, maybe an aluminium for the centre of the cone. I mean mechanically, that stiff isn't going to change much even with 5000 hours of play time.. surely?
@@MrZerohour1967 You could be correct. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 🤷♂️
I have an old AVT cab everything made in UK.....and I think it sounds WAY better than the china crap.
Mesa for dirty, but for clean the Stock V30's aren't that bad.
I wonder how these two would compare to a Marshall G12 Vintage speaker, the original V30 ;) ;) hint hint ;) ;)
This is so weird the last video I preferred the British and with this one I preferred the Chinese ones
I think I like the Chinese made ones more 🙃
So have the Chinese V30’s changed after a few months of break in?
Honestly, not to my ears, no. I'm sure theres some slight difference.. but not really distinguishable
Taylor Danley Thanks for the response! I’m thinking about putting together a budget “Doom” rig with this and a Micro Dark. Thanks!
The high end on the Chinese sounds brittle and plastic the UK ones sound alot more natural
I play emocore and ambient styled post-hardcore and prefer the chinese vintage 30s.... they are alot softer and smoother than the mesa vintage 30s .. i think the chinese ones handle delay, and reverb alot better than mesa ones do.
The 🇬🇧 V30 sound amazing without the ear piercing fizz
Chinese V30s sound like crap, harsh. UK V30s are the real deal. I have UK and had china v30s (sold them all). I'm glad you can hear in your recordings what I heared with both speakers. UK sounded great, china was terrible, harsh, and even dificult to EQ to make it sound right. UK people knows how to make good speakers, china people have never made a good speaker. UK forever.
Minute 1:50 crap harsh sound from the china V30s (Fake V30s)
Minute 1:55 Right awesome tone from the UK V30s, the real ones.
I think the Chinese V30s would actually sound better live with a band.
UK Made V30s sounds Better to my ears and has a massive mids low sound. While China sounded too harsh..
The Chinese one sounds like scooped mid to me
Definitely more high end. I think it has less low end than the UK though.
UK v30 - much more defined sound.
More mid mids!
Gotta love that punch, for sure!
night and day difference... UK of course all the way...
There are a few things to take into consideration. The Chinese vs UK V30 discussion has been around for a long time.
1. Every speaker from guitar, bass, home theater and car audio require a break in period. After that, they become warmer, fuller and (for guitar) develop a smoother break up. Anyone who says differently is full of it. Full lab tests were done on speakers comparing their new characteristics vs being properly broken in. The voice coils, surrounds and suspension all loosened up after the break in period. This caused a difference in frequency response. 2. I can neither confirm or deny this. It has been suggested that the Mesa V30 were voiced slightly different from the retail versions. This could be possible. Which leads to the next thought. 3. With the low price of the HB cab, it’s possible that the V30 speakers may have not passed Celestion’s standards. This could lead to HB getting a better wholesale price on them. Maybe. Just spitballing. 4. I did listen to a sample recording of a 20 or so year old retail V30 vs a properly broken in Chinese retail V30. The difference was indistinguishable between them. I’ll try to find a link to the forum where that test was done. I’m sure there are other points to consider as well that I’m not thinking of at the moment. But a good true comparison would be between retail version of Chinese vs UK of these speakers. Without having both on hand could prove to be a bit costly in acquiring both. But good food for thought.
Chinese V30 sounds like a can of bees
Noticeable difference. Chinese sound thinner. UK more throaty and thicker. That being said…read where they are all being made in china now. Very confusing.
Wel... I think that they are not so bad. I mean chinese v30 vs uk made, souds just... different. Not bad, not good. Matter of taste.
Lol its like an 128mp3 against a wav 😂
the china ones sound cheesy to me.
I m surprised you use an LTD and not an ESP (which is the real thing)......LMAO...ANyway, a proper comparison would have to be done with those speakers in the same cabinet. :)
at 4.27 he said the stock cab sounded really good to his ear, however HIS HAT IS COVERING HIS F**KING EAR.
They're hardly covered. But thanks, you just reminded me I never made that follow up video..
@@TaylorDanley You need to get some heating into your studio dude, then you can take the hat off.
Mesa sound way better in my opinion
Listening on headphones, not much difference
I don’t like to support China in any way, so I stay far away from HB, but KILLER playing.