I did forget to mention a couple of weapons quirks, like Giant Ghost releasing a Pink Heart to parry at the end of the Super, but none of the tiers are affected by these missed quirks, so everything still checks out 👍.
Sorry if I seem a bit rude but I really do NOT agree with the twist up rank "oh spread can basically all the bosses so why would you need twist up" but the very fact it can hit almost all the bosses would AT LEAST PUT IT IN THE B TIER. And it's range is much better than spread. I'm not trying to to hate or buge my opinion in your ranking I'm not usually like this but I just got heated and needed to tell you what I think.
I think it’s interesting that the dlc weapons all have odd quirks or require more skill. Crackshot and its EX, Converge’s spread, and Twist Up’s odd angle
I mean I was basically taking that into account when it came to the usefulness of a weapon. So even while Chaser for example, its purpose is to deal half as much damage in exchange for the attacks to home in on the closest target. The problem is that a good amount of the time, the shots don't even go where you want them to go! So even Chaser doesn't do it's job very well. The main reason Crackshot can get away with it more is because you can aim it more easily for the homing part of the attack to hit the boss, and also the fact that it's 2 shots in one.
@@MrKap Chaser will always be homing for something, but mainly damage hit boxes that you are supposed to shoot. Take Cagney for example, the main attack is shooting plants your supposed to hit. If Chaser was still aiming for the boss, it wouldn't be doing it's job because your supposed to shoot it. And I don't find Crackshot's homing abilities to accurate to where the boss is, if it's moving
@@venus5350 Yeah, you gotta like predict their movements more for Crackshots uncracked shot to home in on the boss correctly, but I don't find this terribly difficult to do. You are right about the Cagney Carnation example. For me the reason why I don't like it is with a boss like Cagney Carnation, you really just want to get past the phases as fast as possible and with other weapons you can just quickly like to the side or wherever the plant things are coming from and easily dispose of them, and then quickly look back at the boss and still do massive damage. Chaser on the other hand heavily increases the amount of time it takes to get by phases, especially when there are a lot of minion trying to come after you. It's rather preferably in my opinion to try to ignore the minions for some time on most of the boss fights and deal damage to the boss, then when it becomes too hectic or the boss is transitioning to another phase or sum you can just quickly turn around and dispose of the minions. In the end, you are right, and Chaser can be helpful with Cagney Carnation, but it's strictly used as a "side piece" or "side weapon" which tells me by itself it's not too great. That's why I ranked it low on the tier list, in my opinion, you don't really NEED Chaser most of the time and the times you DO use it, it's just for convenience for a small part of a phase or 2. Just a bit more niche than other weapons and the fact that it doesn't stand up by itself very well, it falls a bit flat for me. Sorry for the long comment, but I wanted to engage with your comment and explain my thought process about the matter!
Chalice: has specific supers that only she can use with only the cookie charm equipped. Mr Kap: “and gives you a free parry which can help you with heart ring”
Wow, chaser was underrated hard. Its damaging output is a fair bit better then it would seem at first considering it lands about 95% of the time even when your not even aiming, meaning you can easily just focus on dodging and putting boss fights on a sort of time limit, allowing you to focus on dodging. Also converge gets outright NUTTY if you glue your finger to the lock key and just jump to move
I would have to disagree with Chaser being underrated. Its purpose is very clear, but at least 80% of the time it's not needed or not as good for a boss than you might think. ESPECIALLY depending on the boss, it's very normal for the shots to not even hit the boss and instead just straight up disappear or hit a minion or something. Just because it's a homing shot doesn't immediately mean it's good in my opinion. There is also the fact that Crackshot does this but is twice as versatile. Crackshot can suffer from the same inaccuracy problems as Chaser, but then you can just use it like a normal shot. The burst damage of ~6 is the perfect amount of damage since the usual minion health is around 5 or sometimes 10. Converge is pretty decent once you start using it a bit, but it just gets outclassed by a lot of the weapons in the game and since you HAVE to lock yourself in place to be even a little bit accurate from anything past breathing distance, your movement is extremely limited, and you end up getting into tricky situations and risk taking hits. Converge is not bad, but A tier good? Nah. I appreciate the comment!
@@MrKap I’d disagree that crackshot is better tbh, both have their uses. There are a couple of instances were bosses move too quick, so crackshot’s direct homing end up missing. One scenario I found with this happening was during Saltbaker’s final phase, I had more success finishing him off with chaser than crackshot.
@@Perces1998 You are right about Chef Saltbakers last phase and you honestly SHOULD bring Chaser to the Saltbaker fight because it really helps with actually hitting him, but in the end this boss is an exception in my opinion rather than a widespread problem for Crackshot. Even if you have these inaccuracies, you can mitigate this problem heavily by just angling your shot ahead of the boss, kind of predicting where they're gonna be instead of just shooting wildly in the air. Chaser definitely shows it's use for a COUPLE of the boss fights, but Crackshot works effectively for a majority of the boss fights and can be reliably brought for almost every boss fight in my opinion; and this is mainly because it can TURN from a homing shot to a normal shot that does great burst damage. Crackshots versatility in that way makes it way more viable for a lot more of the boss fights than Chaser. What do you think?
@@MrKap Hmm, I still think both weapons cannot be compared. If I need to aim with crackshot, at that point I’d just stick with chaser tbh. Here’s what I think, crackshot is better against slow or stagnant bosses while chaser is better against fast-moving bosses.
I personally like Twist-Up and think it has one of the best EX moves in the game (not better than Roundabout, but still good), but as much as I love Twist-Up, I have to admit that it is that type of weapon that is not for everyone. But now, I don't think Twist-Up is a worst Roundabout at all.
Glad you commented on Potato Kings video, his reasoning for Twister felt rather weak and the footage he chose to show didn't exactly fill me with confidence in his reasoning. Also really happy you decided to rank the ex attack with the weapon, it actually boggles my mind when people do it separately because its a part of the weapon. I can't use the EX of Spread shot with the regular fire of roundabout so why would you rank them seperatly.
I agree with you that Potato King's reasons for Twist Up being good were weak and rather easy to dispute/argue against, and also his footage showing the weapon was not very good and could easily see him missing like at least 50% of his shots lol. I also don't understand why people would rank the EX separately either! Almost all the tier lists on TierMaker.com separated the shots and EX's and even the uncharged version of the Charge weapon? That doesn't make any sense to me! Why would you rank things like that separately? It's a part of the weapon and can greatly affect the weapons viability and ranking. People have commented that I "forgot to rank the uncharged shot" or "I forgot to rank the mini bullets". First off, they're apart of another weapon really, so why would I rank it separately? And second, where do you THINK I'm going to rank the uncharged shot and mini bullets? In A tier? XD. Both are designed that way for obvious reasons and are not MEANT to be good by themselves... I really appreciate the comment!
@@MrKapI agree with your ranking of twist up. It legitimately boggles me why people think this weapon is amazing. Very high skill ceiling for decent dps. Potato king saying that it has the same dps as roundabout if all twisters hit is completely nullified by the fact that it is very difficult to make those shots hit. Spread is also literally just better for the majority of situations. That's like saying the kada veni has an s tier weapon in phoenix 2. Sure the damage is good, but due to the strange way the projectiles move, the majority of shots are going to miss if you aren't perfectly aiming. Phoenix 2 and cuphead are both video games that put a large amount of importance on dodging attacks and projectiles. And just like how spread is better than twist up, the saber is better than the kada veni. They both do basically the same thing, but one is easier to use and does more damage. Also ask anyone, ain't no one gon tell you that the kada veni is a good ship. Every body basically agrees that it sucks. So why is it that in this game, a weapon that suffers the exact same problem is considered good?
I agree that Potato Kings video about Twist Up was weak but I never found Twist Up bad I have been able to easily defeat every boss with it but I feel like Twist Up shines in the DLC btw it being called a worse Roundabout I agree and disagree because Twist Ups EX is Roundabouts but just a tornado and moves more
honestly great tier list! however i found giant ghost pretty good on certain bosses once you get good at it, like on phantom express (ironicly enough) you can hit everything pretty easily while killing the small pumpkin guys and it heavily reduces their speed which makes the final phase a breeze for the most part. it’s still difficult to use and i honestly agree with it being C but if used effectively it can be insane
My man did shield pal dirty. It’s so good for cheesing S-ranks. And while I do prefer heart ring, it means that you don’t get the BROKEN abilities of Chalice
Not sure how I only just found this video but this is great stuff! Looking back on my twist up segment, there’s definitely some stuff I would’ve worded differently and if I could redo it I’d probably try to be a BIT more objective about it. But while I still stand by my point of it being very good, this video definitely changed up my perspective on the shot and considering your argument that spread is really just better for a majority of the bosses I mentioned, honestly, I’d probably give it an A tier if I made the list today. Loved the video, man!
Ah sick man! It's great to see you here! I think the thing I realized today is that I heavily prefer looking at the stats and quirks of the weapon to really sell the placements on the tier list. At the time, the quirks for Twist Up were not enjoyable for me and I ranked it C tier because I was being too subjective about that. Then I decided to really get into it and even released a video talking about if Twist Up is good or not, and realized that it really does have a bit more versatility than other usual weapons, like Lobber or Roundabout. I coouuulldd see it in A tier, but my placement would be high B tier because it really can work, but it takes more effort and more consistent gameplay than a weapon like Crackshot or Roundabout (which accompanied with other aspects like damage and versatility make them S tier for me). I still do generally think that Twist Up's range being so close to Spread is really what finally buries it under A tier for me. I appreciate the respectful comment!
I just admire how you managed to mention so many bosses in so little time and on first try, I'm even more impressed that you remembered all their names, even the King DIce minibsses
The Converge is AMAZING in run-n-gun stages. I'm also glad other people like this weapon, It's one of my favorite weapons in the game right next to Roundabout in 2nd and Crackshot in 3rd. I was able to get an A+ on MANY bosses with Converge and Roundabout together (I used Converge more, by the way). It's better than you think.
I love converge and while i agree that its a pain in the ass to use, i love it to bits. The way it obliterates the tipsy troop is the most satisfying thing in cuphead lol
Given that you [can] use two weapons in any given fight, I think a weapon that is really good against *a* phase of a[/many] boss fight[s] ought to be ranked highly *given that you can use another weapon to deal with its weaknesses*. At least potentially. Or, to put it another way, what's more relevant is the ranking of given *pairs* of weapons.
While you're not wrong, it would cause a weird dilemma in which you could technically just use Chaser/Crackshot with every weapon combo and with that logic it could be considered "good" and ranked highly. In my opinion, if a weapon only shines if it's with another weapon and is not viable by itself, then I don't see the weapon itself being very high in a tier list, and definitely not S tier. I believe the weapon needs to stand out itself for it to be ranked highly, which is why I ranked Roundabout and Crackshot in S tier. They both hold their own really well, work for almost every boss fight, and synergize very well with other weapons, especially Crackshot. Shots like Twist Up and Converge can be better if you combo it with another weapon, but then you are literally making up for the "badness" of those weapons which are more situational and harder to use, which already tells you where it should be ranked. I did consider wielding 2 different weapons when ranking each weapon, but I personally wouldn't say it's the key factor in ranking a weapon. I appreciate the comment!
I honestly think that the damage supers most of the time are useless because most Exs do more damage then them like Charge, Spread{ If you hit all 8 bullets} And even Converge and if you are using Invicibility with Spread you can go inside the boss and do MASSIVE DAMAGE doing way more than Energy beam and Giant Ghost. Also I think Chalice,s super art 2 is actually the best super of Chalice and Is a S tier because not only can this easily be used to S rank bosses but also is very useful in challenges like No jumping.
I see what you mean by your first point. I most of the time prefer spamming EX's rather than Super, but Energy Beam at the very least is a means to deal that guaranteed damage rather than having to stand close to the boss and spamming EX's, leaving your vulnerable. Invincibility honestly doesn't last long enough, and you don't get enough time to really capitalize on going inside the boss and spamming Spread shots because you still have to leave their hitbox before exiting Invincibility, so you really only have like 3 seconds of Invincibility that you can realistically use. Ms. Chalice's Super II is really outshined by Spiral Pillar which does great damage, or Ghostly Barrage that deals massive damage and gives you a free parry. For a Super to simply give you 1 HP is really underwhelming and unnecessary considering she already has 4 HP and a dodge roll to "cheese" most bosses. Challenges are too niche of a thing and not something I would like to rank a tier list on, so I didn't take that into account just so you know. Overall, her Super II is just... unnecessary. Like you mentioned at the beginning, I'd prefer just spamming EX's and dealing massive damage rather than receive an extra HP.
@@MrKap I see what you mean with super art 2 and how she already has an extra heart but I find super art 1 very inconsistent and when I didn't have 3 I used 2 a lot and it's actually good because of the fact you can stack it so when one leaves you can use another essentially letting you go be reckless and spam ex moves because you now nothing will happen that's problematic
I have a appreciation for chaser, it was the first one that I finished a level and I was stuck in it and helps when you suck at aiming, AND DOESN'T REQUIRE DLC
Although I still don't use it often, I can definitely recognize it's a powerhouse of a weapon and takes an experienced player to really take advantage of the weapons capabilities. A great weapon for many of the boss fights!
Now, I don't want to add further to the twist-up debate, but I often find spread achingly difficult to use. It doesn’t reach far enough for me to really feel like I can really be in control of where I am during the boss, which wouldn’t be a problem, if the spot spread wants you to be is where you're most likely to get hit if you're not really familiar with the bosses down to attack patterns. Twist-up isn't the best, but positionally, I find it a bit easier to use, even though I know spread is technically better. Really I think it comes down to experience.
Well the thing with Twist Up is it also takes skill to use, and I would argue more of it. Naturally, the weapon is more comprehensible and easier to use from range, but then you'll often find yourself having to position awkwardly to hit your shots. Spread is easier to manage and its DPS makes up for it. You just gotta know what situation to use it, then bam it's effective; Twist Up you gotta constantly change how you use it to get the most out of it, without any DPS increase to make up for it.
Hear me out: Divine Relic. The reason why I’m suggesting this is because of the 3 charms: Smoke Dash, Axe and Ring Charm. It even randomizes your weapons everytime you dash or EX. The only thing you need is knowing How to work with what you get. Good for people who know the weapons.
That Mario-Luigi comparison near the end is not really that good because Luigi's higher jump (in games that have the distinction) makes him better than Mario despite he having less friction on the ground.
i think most people who use chalice for plane levels (including me) do it for the extra hit point lol even tho I tend to stay pretty far away on the plane bosses, I like the fact that multiple shots are coming out
When you talked about ms chalice super 3 you said that the free parry can help for heart ring and super meter, but you can’t use heart ring, because ms chalice is a separate charm
Spread works REALLY well when it does work, but considering it doesn't work as well on quite a few bosses, I decided against S Tier. Same problem with the EX too.
@@MrKap but that dps can’t be ignored And plus it is really good when paired with roundabout I’m pretty sure if the game devs increased the range it would be OP It’s a low S-tier for me but I understand your opinion
I've heard a lot of people make the same general argument that "Oh (insert weapon here) can be used here, it should be in a high tier!", and the fallacy that argument creates is that it completely disregards every other charm (in this case) and the fact that essentially every other charm is probably better in that situation and other charms can be way more widely used across all boss fights. The only charm I really need to mention here is Heart Ring because it is BY FAR the best charm in the game. Some of the other charms are amazing as well, but Heart Ring takes the cake. You get free health with no damage nerf and all you gotta do is parry, which you were already going to do anyways, ESPECIALLY if you're going for an A+ or S rank. On top of this, combining it with Crackshot gives you essentially free health ON DEMAND! Just EX, parry the planet orb, and you either just got closer to getting a free 1 HP, or got 1 HP for just using your EX! You can probably imagine now that this charm can COMPLETELY overshadow the lesser useful charms like Twin Hearts because of its damage nerf and Parry Sugar because it's not very necessary unless you struggle with parries. I can go on and give more reasons for Whetstone being low on the tier list, but simply other charms are better than dealing a little extra damage for very few phases.
Uhh hello these are the guys that ruined sonic im not even surprised anymore but when you ask them,they "play alright" even though they cant even defeat any first boss in any videogame.
My favorite combo is crackshot and spread, because crackshot is good for moving targets, plus it’s just a better chaser, and spread is good for bosses up close. The only downside to crackshot is that sometimes it hits what you don’t want to hit, like the fireballs in grim matchstick stage 3, and sometimes it does the exact opposite, like in phantom express with the ghosts and pumpkins.
I feel like twist up needs a damage buff feel like that would fix the aiming problem if you were better rewarded. Kinda like the lobber or spread but having full range. Just awkward angles tho.
I say Twist Up definitely needs a buff, and maybe upping its damage could work, but I feel like its range is really lacking and is what causes this weapon to feel terrible to use. It has such a short range horizontally, that you are basically using Spread but going up instead, which at that point why not use Spread? If it had its range increased slightly (maybe by like 20-25%?) then the shots could go further and you can be in more comfortable spots of the stage and also consistently deal damage from a safer place. Also buffing the fire rate/speed of the projectiles would work as well so you can hit more consistently. It's hard in the end, but I feel like those aren't terrible ideas.
Whetstone does actually have a use in plane levels. After hitting a super, you can use the invincibility frames to parry off the boss inside its hitbox for about 3 seconds, doing massive damage. If you're doing S ranks, though, heart ring or coffee might be better IMO.
Hot take, the best weapon in the game is the one *you* the player are the best with. If someone sucks with the spread, the spread is worse, it’s more beneficial to use weapons you are good with, even if they aren’t optimal in the typical sense
@@MrKap like, for example, my favorite weapon in the game was converge, because it was very easy to land hits, and also had a mode for more damage. I knew it wasn’t the best weapon, but it was easy to use, and fun.
So far, this is the best Cuphead Weapon Ranking video I’ve seen. I have to agree with all of these. I was underwhelmed by Converge since it’s such a cool shot but it’s EX lacks compared to the other shots. Nice video!
Thank you! I really wanted to create a more objectively based tier list (with some exceptions lol), looking at each individual part of a weapon separately and ranking based on practicality overall. That's why I still find Twist Up much more impractical than the weapons higher on the tier list although I now believe that I ranked Twist Up a bit too harshly.
I remember the time I did a Lobber Only challenge, and I was rather shocked at how effective it was for nearly every boss in the game! So underrated. Oh yeah, and I hate the twist up with every fibre of my being. 6:49 An even better example is during the moonshine mod boss. The shots go through the top two wooden platforms, so if you shoot upwards from the very top, they can bounce for a long time and essentially make a wall of death of your enemies. 14:50 Ah yes. I remember watching that. He was doing so well until he got to twist up. I thought he could earn my respect. Backign up your point on twist up, that was the first weapon I used in a single weapon challenge, as I already considered it to be the worst in the game. After completing it, that opinion had increased by 1100%. So many bosses I fought in my lobber only challenge had me thinking “Lobber does this WAY better than twist up did!” In summary, Twist up is a crappy version of Lobber. 24:01 Oh my god yes! Someone finally agrees with me about miss chalice in airplane levels!
Personally I think Heart Buddy is Chalice’s best Super rather than worst due to how valuable HP is in Cuphead, but I can understand why some people wouldn’t like it
Eh, it's just that with all the perks Ms. Chalice already has, to use a WHOLE SUPER to tank 1 HIT which you could already do better in every way with Heart Ring is quite unnecessary in my opinion. It's definitely useful and can help for hard bosses like Chef Saltbaker S Rank, but otherwise I'd rather just deal tons of damage with Ghostly Barrage AND get a free parry to beat the boss faster.
There is however one mistake you have made in the tier list. Just as you didn't include any of the other charms for not dealing damage I think you shouldn't have included the regular Super art 2 and Ms. Chalice's since they also don't deal any damage and thus can't be classified as weapons.
While you're not wrong, since they are literally built in as the character's utility and I was already ranking all the other Supers anyways, it would be weird to completely skip over them. The charms are a different case in my opinion.
Those DLC weapons (except Crackshoot) are not really worth using often, but when they are it absolutely rules. For example Twist Up--> Howling Aces (on every phase except second with Crackshoot), Chef Salbaker (first phase, rest with Chaser. Just try it, I am dead serious. Chaser carries, you can do second phase decently, and with last one it makes your life so much easier, Crackshoot doesn't even land a half of it's shots in this phase!) Converge--> Phantom Express (first, maybe even second and third phases, depends if you are using Spread or Crackshoot as your second weapon)
One thing I also noticed is that Roundabout has slightly better damage with it’s normal shot than Twist Up, both of their Ex shots deal 40 damage if all attacks hit, and Twist Up has a DPS that is slightly better than Roundabout’s DPS.
I feel like one way you can make Giant Ghost effective enough is using Roundabout because of how turning around makes your damage spread you could turn around and use Giant Ghost and turn around constantly all while still dealing Roundabout damage and DPS
@@MrKap Hopefully that will help make Giant Ghost look a little more useful than we give it credit for, but still honestly Giant Ghost still isn’t fun to use, but at least this strategy could make bosses and specific boss Wurner Wurman’s last phase a a joke when you think about it. This probably ain’t gonna effect Giant Ghosts tier ranking the slightest, but my way of using Giant Ghost is something to note. Although this ain’t always gonna be effective especially for bosses like Baroness Von Bon Bon it makes me feel like I am using Giant Ghost efficiently even when I miss most of my hits.
Whetstone B tier, if used in virtually any plane boss, it overshadows every other (plane mode) charm. Outside of plane, it isn't as effective, although still, if used right if can tag on extra damage. Sure, quite situational, but when you can use it effectively, it is super efficient.
Whetstone is actually good if you’re in a tight spot, also its high damage kills things instantly, like ads or enemies on run n gun stages. You can also take advantage of this damage on plane levels when you get close to bosses, it really adds up! I feel like all the whetstone hate comes from people that never use it/don’t give it a chance. Sure it’s not for everyone, but it’s not terrible!
Bit late but with the charge when you dash it will shoot it. This might no sound bad but if you use miss.Chalice you practically can’t parry if the boss is moving or on the opposite side of when you dash.
I agree with *everything* … except: Chaser: Chaser is very good imo. Just hold down the shoot button the whole game for a guaranteed victory :) … but you will need to dodge like hell… Charged shot: Charged shot is very easy for me to use. It’s probably because I count one bar at 145 bpm while using the thing (works well with bosses that have a bussin soundtrack XD); 9 times out of 10, it hits the boss regardless of distance. As for its ex, I NEVER use it, but it could come in clutch for bosses that have a long phase-transitioning animation. Minibombs: Mini bombs are very good for phases that are either below the plane or don’t have many projectiles on the screen at one time. Giant Ghost: Bast super in the game behind Ghostly Barrage! This thing does more damage than Energy Beam if you use it properly AND it gives you a free parry at the end. W super. Whetstone Maaaaaaybe if you use spread or in arial battles-? Nah I’m jk. This shi garbage.
Thanks for the ❤️ One more thing to add with Chaser: The ex (for me) acts as a free hit protection. By having the 4 orbiting chaser ex bullets, I will be invulnerable to any minion that charges at me (any other attack, you’re on your own). I can also go up to the boss to deal a sort of “meele damage”, but it’s very rare and risky
I’m gonna stand up for my man, the whetstone. I may be just a lunatic, but having this extra close combat weapon plus jump extender I feel makes it decent. Oh no, not as a weapon, but as a combo piece. I’ll keep my charge shot, crack shot combo thanks.
Nice, i also love the Charge Shot/ Crack Shot combo. Charge does huge damage per hit, and the Crack Shot covers Charge's weaknesses pretty well. If there are fast moving minions trying to overwhelm me while using the Charge, i'll just pull out the Crack Shot and quickly deal with em. Great combo.
I’d put charge in S tier because it can reach its max dps without you having to aim at the boss all the time. You can charge it while dodging without aiming toward the boss without losing any dps. Its biggest flaw is dealing with minions though.
Today I learned that I read roundabout’s shop description wrong. I always thought it did more damage if fired backward. I now understand it does the same damage per shot no matter what.
I hope Roundabout is where it deserves. By far my favorite weapon in the game, even above Crackshot (close, though!). Playing through Cuphead again after a long break to prep for a New Year's goal of improving at the game and just…ah. My beloved. Such an awesome weapon. Edit: Excellent. Good. All is as it should be. Also, this is a generally wonderful video! :0 Very thorough.
Heart ring is good and all but with bosses like sally stageplay where parries are scarce I find that shield pal is really good, it helps your super meter and hp. Encouraging parries. Shield pal is just really good for perfection especially since you can keep it around, use ex shots exclusively after, and it isn’t some aim based damage
You are 100% correct, Converge works extremely well for Phantom Express, but that doesn't mean that it automatically is an A tier weapon. I assume you didn't mean that as literally as I thought, but while Converge is not a bad weapon, it just gets outshined by a lot of the other weapons and the ridiculously high spread of the shots before holding down the weapon lock button.
@@MrKap Yeah, I was just speaking from a subjective standpoint. That fight drove me nuts with those god-forsaken pumpkins, and that shot made things so much easier. I agree it's not the best because I use crackshot FAR more often.
oh my god thank you for mentioning potato king's video his twist up take is so ice-cold i genuinely clicked off, glad to see someone actually knows what they're talking about
To be fair, I believe his points aren't completely wrong, but he didn't really support his arguments very well. After you take your time and REALLY use Twist Up, it's not a bad weapon and I would say it would be fine in B tier. I'd still personally use other weapons, but you can definitely use it more versatile like if you are good at angling and positioning. Still, he wasn't able to really support his argument by actually talking about the weapon and it's pros and cons. I appreciate the kind words and comment!
Naturally, Crackshot's EX is more utility and support based than pure damage, but I would say it can deal decent damage if used efficiently and correctly. The planet orb shoots 5 shots before dissipating, each dealing 3.5 damage. It's not a lot, but if you allow the orb to shoot 4 times, then parry it, it will home towards the boss and deal 14 damage. That's 3.5 x 4 + 14, which equals 28. To put that in perspective, that's the same damage as Lobber EX. Yes, it is slow and it's definitely not the best, but it can help with minions and deal passive damage while not even thinking. You're right though that it's not a good EX for purely damage, but that's why it makes up with its other utility, mainly free health for Heart Ring.
Yeah, one thing I just realized is how much Roundabout actually carried me through almost all platform bosses in Cuphead. Like literally, I used Roundabout to beat almost every single platform boss in the game. And it still carries me to this day because Roundabout is just so good, and especially with Spread, those two weapons became my go-to combo and I pretty much used them together for literally almost every single platform boss, Roundabout is literally my god scent and add in Spread and I have my godfather ready to either with me or carry me through almost all the platform bosses😂 Like I literally used this combination when I first beat Cagney Carnation, especially in the final phase, whenever I had the chance to get up close to Cagney, I would get up close and deal that massive Spread DPS, but then when I realized I had couldn't stay close to him any longer or I'd risk tanking a hit, I would just go back turn around and start mindlessly letting all of that Roundabout hit while focusing on puring evading or parrying. It's a pretty noob and cheap move for those who hate having to use the weapon lock button to aim, but it works every time I face Cagney. Like ofc I don't use it for every boss like Goopy, The Root Pack, and Captain Briney Beard (either because it's really not needed for me to use the combo aka Goopy and The Root Pack since Pea Shooter just works way better for those bosses or because the combo just doesn't for that boss like Captain Briney Beard), but overall it is just so effective that I can't stop using it
Kap:ms chalice’s super art 1 and 3 are just better than her super art 2 and if you need more hp just use heart ring. ms chalice:pros:has invincibility roll,has extra hp,has double jump,has parry that uses only 1 button. Cons:equipped as a charm,that is it bro
Now, you don't really want to do this, but the plane super can be used as a last-ditch effort to survive an extra hit. Not really worth the loss of damage if you've got more than one health left though.
18:23 I watched this video, and some of it I agreed with there was still parts I didn't agree with. But anyways he ain't have to pull up mangosteen because EVERYTHING is good against mangosteen
Spread should be S tbh. It has its downsides, but those downsides are pretty minor and the upsides are pretty huge. Other than that, chefs kiss perfect list.
I feel like giant ghost deserves to be a little higher. Mainly because the damage output is even further enhanced if you can manage to also pop shots into the enemy, which can be done by alternating up and down Instead of left and right (without lock) so that you can keep from turning around. You could also just use crackshot or roundabout. And the other benefit is that the hit rate is so high that it actually slows down enemy animations, which allows you to get more shots in if the boss is in a vulnerable animation. such as transformation or transitions. Sure it's not easy to use, but the reward for using it correctly is ridiculously overpowered.
I've accidentally conditioned myself and i cant stop using Spread cuz anything else i use doesnt fit my skill- send help i've been completing everything in under 2 minutes
I get what you mean. They are so closely tied together that it's hard to remember sometimes. It's just an expectation that their hitbox is the same as their hurtbox, which is definitely true for a majority of the bosses.
Super III is underrated in my opinion, the Cuphead ghost looks dope and makes he seem like a stand user. And the damage is also good when you use it in the right moments
it's also worth mentioning that chaser is really good on gun run, since you can easily hit every enemy on the screen while all you have to do is hold down the shoot button
I basically beat the entire game with chaser and spread with smoke bomb. Made it so I basically only had to focus on dodging, and could maximize damage with spread when dodging wasn’t really required. Also I found chaser to do quite a lot of damage. As long as you aim it in the general direction it hit far more often than the other weapons I tried. Then again I’m incredibly bad at aiming precisely and dodging at the same time.
13:25 twist up if a boss phase such as final phase for glumstone the giant well if you use roundabout you would just say “aim up its not hard.” Well why don’t you just aim for every boss with twist up and Potato king said it was EFFECTIVE for the bosses not the best so why hate so much u have another shot like crackshot if you can’t aim but if you can’t aim try learning.
I'm crying from that twist up ranking but whatever. what I want to say is that the good thing about twist up is that the low damage output lets you save up for an ultimate or some high damage EX's
I did forget to mention a couple of weapons quirks, like Giant Ghost releasing a Pink Heart to parry at the end of the Super, but none of the tiers are affected by these missed quirks, so everything still checks out 👍.
u also missed the mini plane shots
@@xPurpleMo_oN777 there is one miniplane weapon
you forgot to say if twist up is good/bad on howling aces
Sorry if I seem a bit rude but I really do NOT agree with the twist up rank "oh spread can basically all the bosses so why would you need twist up" but the very fact it can hit almost all the bosses would AT LEAST PUT IT IN THE B TIER. And it's range is much better than spread. I'm not trying to to hate or buge my opinion in your ranking I'm not usually like this but I just got heated and needed to tell you what I think.
@@bulblet_productions krazy bro
Roundabout and spread are probably the BEST combo in the game, like, they just work so well together
some bosses are exeptions, like phantom express where you have to use chaser or crackshot, but yea they're goated
Nah roundabout and CRACKSHOT is the best combo in the game.
@@YTbelikethat roundabout and spread are better for me.
@@YTbelikethat crackshot for certain enemies.
Roundabout and crackshot are good for me
I think it’s interesting that the dlc weapons all have odd quirks or require more skill. Crackshot and its EX, Converge’s spread, and Twist Up’s odd angle
My guess as to why this is, is that if the shots aren't interesting people might not use them
I 100% agree man
Crackshot is so freaking useful. It alone got me to Inkwell Isle Three.
Crackshot us no skill bruh
@@Temlorddadragunkilla”have odd quirks OR require more skill”
In my opinion, I think the most important thing about a weapon is if it does it's job well. It's the reason why you should buy the weapon.
I mean I was basically taking that into account when it came to the usefulness of a weapon. So even while Chaser for example, its purpose is to deal half as much damage in exchange for the attacks to home in on the closest target. The problem is that a good amount of the time, the shots don't even go where you want them to go! So even Chaser doesn't do it's job very well. The main reason Crackshot can get away with it more is because you can aim it more easily for the homing part of the attack to hit the boss, and also the fact that it's 2 shots in one.
@@MrKap Chaser will always be homing for something, but mainly damage hit boxes that you are supposed to shoot. Take Cagney for example, the main attack is shooting plants your supposed to hit. If Chaser was still aiming for the boss, it wouldn't be doing it's job because your supposed to shoot it. And I don't find Crackshot's homing abilities to accurate to where the boss is, if it's moving
@@venus5350 Yeah, you gotta like predict their movements more for Crackshots uncracked shot to home in on the boss correctly, but I don't find this terribly difficult to do. You are right about the Cagney Carnation example. For me the reason why I don't like it is with a boss like Cagney Carnation, you really just want to get past the phases as fast as possible and with other weapons you can just quickly like to the side or wherever the plant things are coming from and easily dispose of them, and then quickly look back at the boss and still do massive damage. Chaser on the other hand heavily increases the amount of time it takes to get by phases, especially when there are a lot of minion trying to come after you. It's rather preferably in my opinion to try to ignore the minions for some time on most of the boss fights and deal damage to the boss, then when it becomes too hectic or the boss is transitioning to another phase or sum you can just quickly turn around and dispose of the minions. In the end, you are right, and Chaser can be helpful with Cagney Carnation, but it's strictly used as a "side piece" or "side weapon" which tells me by itself it's not too great. That's why I ranked it low on the tier list, in my opinion, you don't really NEED Chaser most of the time and the times you DO use it, it's just for convenience for a small part of a phase or 2. Just a bit more niche than other weapons and the fact that it doesn't stand up by itself very well, it falls a bit flat for me. Sorry for the long comment, but I wanted to engage with your comment and explain my thought process about the matter!
You have to buy the weapen anyway for the atchivment, but i think you are talking about how fast you have to buy it, so I agree
@Venus ummmm I kinda buy the shots for the trophies
Chalice: has specific supers that only she can use with only the cookie charm equipped. Mr Kap: “and gives you a free parry which can help you with heart ring”
Yeah, didn't mean to say that. Blundered a bit lol, but it's still a free parry!
@@MrKap true
I mean there’s allways multiplayer..
@@MrKap Cuphead's super III also gives you a free parry, I dont see what ur intentions were there.
Like a wiki
Finally, lobber gets the appreciation it deserves
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Yeah bro lobber is awesome
twist up needs some appreciation too, I used it on a few bosses and it was pretty easy
Facts, lobber is a good shot, Finally people notice the power of lobber!
Yeah, it’s not the best one but it is great for some bosses
Wow, chaser was underrated hard. Its damaging output is a fair bit better then it would seem at first considering it lands about 95% of the time even when your not even aiming, meaning you can easily just focus on dodging and putting boss fights on a sort of time limit, allowing you to focus on dodging. Also converge gets outright NUTTY if you glue your finger to the lock key and just jump to move
I would have to disagree with Chaser being underrated. Its purpose is very clear, but at least 80% of the time it's not needed or not as good for a boss than you might think. ESPECIALLY depending on the boss, it's very normal for the shots to not even hit the boss and instead just straight up disappear or hit a minion or something. Just because it's a homing shot doesn't immediately mean it's good in my opinion. There is also the fact that Crackshot does this but is twice as versatile. Crackshot can suffer from the same inaccuracy problems as Chaser, but then you can just use it like a normal shot. The burst damage of ~6 is the perfect amount of damage since the usual minion health is around 5 or sometimes 10. Converge is pretty decent once you start using it a bit, but it just gets outclassed by a lot of the weapons in the game and since you HAVE to lock yourself in place to be even a little bit accurate from anything past breathing distance, your movement is extremely limited, and you end up getting into tricky situations and risk taking hits. Converge is not bad, but A tier good? Nah. I appreciate the comment!
Just use crack shot
@@MrKap I’d disagree that crackshot is better tbh, both have their uses. There are a couple of instances were bosses move too quick, so crackshot’s direct homing end up missing. One scenario I found with this happening was during Saltbaker’s final phase, I had more success finishing him off with chaser than crackshot.
@@Perces1998 You are right about Chef Saltbakers last phase and you honestly SHOULD bring Chaser to the Saltbaker fight because it really helps with actually hitting him, but in the end this boss is an exception in my opinion rather than a widespread problem for Crackshot. Even if you have these inaccuracies, you can mitigate this problem heavily by just angling your shot ahead of the boss, kind of predicting where they're gonna be instead of just shooting wildly in the air. Chaser definitely shows it's use for a COUPLE of the boss fights, but Crackshot works effectively for a majority of the boss fights and can be reliably brought for almost every boss fight in my opinion; and this is mainly because it can TURN from a homing shot to a normal shot that does great burst damage. Crackshots versatility in that way makes it way more viable for a lot more of the boss fights than Chaser. What do you think?
@@MrKap Hmm, I still think both weapons cannot be compared. If I need to aim with crackshot, at that point I’d just stick with chaser tbh. Here’s what I think, crackshot is better against slow or stagnant bosses while chaser is better against fast-moving bosses.
3:19 Except Grim Matchstick, never use Spread when you go fight this Dragon, you will regret...
Yeah, like only Lobber and Charge are good for the last phase because everything else pops wayyy too many of the fireballs.
@@MrKap Like, Lobber and Charge are literally the only two weapons that don't complete suck at Grim's final phase.
Oops I make good use of spread on grim
Roundabout stage 1 but lobber fro the rest.
I used only lober for grim
I personally like Twist-Up and think it has one of the best EX moves in the game (not better than Roundabout, but still good), but as much as I love Twist-Up, I have to admit that it is that type of weapon that is not for everyone. But now, I don't think Twist-Up is a worst Roundabout at all.
I can see what you mean 😁👍
If you hate twist up so much, why dont you beat the game with it?
@@garrettclark8826 What? I never say I hate Twist-Up, what are you talking about?
@@kurbs4751 not you
@@garrettclark8826 Oh ok, my bad
Glad you commented on Potato Kings video, his reasoning for Twister felt rather weak and the footage he chose to show didn't exactly fill me with confidence in his reasoning.
Also really happy you decided to rank the ex attack with the weapon, it actually boggles my mind when people do it separately because its a part of the weapon. I can't use the EX of Spread shot with the regular fire of roundabout so why would you rank them seperatly.
I agree with you that Potato King's reasons for Twist Up being good were weak and rather easy to dispute/argue against, and also his footage showing the weapon was not very good and could easily see him missing like at least 50% of his shots lol.
I also don't understand why people would rank the EX separately either! Almost all the tier lists on TierMaker.com separated the shots and EX's and even the uncharged version of the Charge weapon? That doesn't make any sense to me! Why would you rank things like that separately? It's a part of the weapon and can greatly affect the weapons viability and ranking. People have commented that I "forgot to rank the uncharged shot" or "I forgot to rank the mini bullets". First off, they're apart of another weapon really, so why would I rank it separately? And second, where do you THINK I'm going to rank the uncharged shot and mini bullets? In A tier? XD. Both are designed that way for obvious reasons and are not MEANT to be good by themselves... I really appreciate the comment!
@@MrKap I try my best to comment with smaller channels, we got to stick together after all!!
@@MrKapI agree with your ranking of twist up. It legitimately boggles me why people think this weapon is amazing. Very high skill ceiling for decent dps. Potato king saying that it has the same dps as roundabout if all twisters hit is completely nullified by the fact that it is very difficult to make those shots hit.
Spread is also literally just better for the majority of situations.
That's like saying the kada veni has an s tier weapon in phoenix 2. Sure the damage is good, but due to the strange way the projectiles move, the majority of shots are going to miss if you aren't perfectly aiming. Phoenix 2 and cuphead are both video games that put a large amount of importance on dodging attacks and projectiles. And just like how spread is better than twist up, the saber is better than the kada veni. They both do basically the same thing, but one is easier to use and does more damage.
Also ask anyone, ain't no one gon tell you that the kada veni is a good ship. Every body basically agrees that it sucks. So why is it that in this game, a weapon that suffers the exact same problem is considered good?
I agree that Potato Kings video about Twist Up was weak but I never found Twist Up bad I have been able to easily defeat every boss with it but I feel like Twist Up shines in the DLC btw it being called a worse Roundabout I agree and disagree because Twist Ups EX is Roundabouts but just a tornado and moves more
honestly great tier list! however i found giant ghost pretty good on certain bosses once you get good at it, like on phantom express (ironicly enough) you can hit everything pretty easily while killing the small pumpkin guys and it heavily reduces their speed which makes the final phase a breeze for the most part. it’s still difficult to use and i honestly agree with it being C but if used effectively it can be insane
True for Phantom Express, but like you said it seems just so situational. I'd rather spam EX's or use Energy Beam still.
Ghost is good for werner werman (last phase)
My man did shield pal dirty. It’s so good for cheesing S-ranks. And while I do prefer heart ring, it means that you don’t get the BROKEN abilities of Chalice
The facg that it's good for S ranking is WHY it should be rated so high. THAT'S THE POINT
Not sure how I only just found this video but this is great stuff! Looking back on my twist up segment, there’s definitely some stuff I would’ve worded differently and if I could redo it I’d probably try to be a BIT more objective about it. But while I still stand by my point of it being very good, this video definitely changed up my perspective on the shot and considering your argument that spread is really just better for a majority of the bosses I mentioned, honestly, I’d probably give it an A tier if I made the list today. Loved the video, man!
Ah sick man! It's great to see you here! I think the thing I realized today is that I heavily prefer looking at the stats and quirks of the weapon to really sell the placements on the tier list. At the time, the quirks for Twist Up were not enjoyable for me and I ranked it C tier because I was being too subjective about that. Then I decided to really get into it and even released a video talking about if Twist Up is good or not, and realized that it really does have a bit more versatility than other usual weapons, like Lobber or Roundabout. I coouuulldd see it in A tier, but my placement would be high B tier because it really can work, but it takes more effort and more consistent gameplay than a weapon like Crackshot or Roundabout (which accompanied with other aspects like damage and versatility make them S tier for me). I still do generally think that Twist Up's range being so close to Spread is really what finally buries it under A tier for me. I appreciate the respectful comment!
I watched yours too!
@@PearceManning same
I just admire how you managed to mention so many bosses in so little time and on first try, I'm even more impressed that you remembered all their names, even the King DIce minibsses
SPREAD
The Converge is AMAZING in run-n-gun stages. I'm also glad other people like this weapon, It's one of my favorite weapons in the game right next to Roundabout in 2nd and Crackshot in 3rd. I was able to get an A+ on MANY bosses with Converge and Roundabout together (I used Converge more, by the way). It's better than you think.
I love converge and while i agree that its a pain in the ass to use, i love it to bits. The way it obliterates the tipsy troop is the most satisfying thing in cuphead lol
Its funny that I always thought you were the guy who made the weapon tier list, and you talked about him. That's so interesting to me!
Lol interesting...
Given that you [can] use two weapons in any given fight, I think a weapon that is really good against *a* phase of a[/many] boss fight[s] ought to be ranked highly *given that you can use another weapon to deal with its weaknesses*. At least potentially.
Or, to put it another way, what's more relevant is the ranking of given *pairs* of weapons.
While you're not wrong, it would cause a weird dilemma in which you could technically just use Chaser/Crackshot with every weapon combo and with that logic it could be considered "good" and ranked highly. In my opinion, if a weapon only shines if it's with another weapon and is not viable by itself, then I don't see the weapon itself being very high in a tier list, and definitely not S tier. I believe the weapon needs to stand out itself for it to be ranked highly, which is why I ranked Roundabout and Crackshot in S tier. They both hold their own really well, work for almost every boss fight, and synergize very well with other weapons, especially Crackshot. Shots like Twist Up and Converge can be better if you combo it with another weapon, but then you are literally making up for the "badness" of those weapons which are more situational and harder to use, which already tells you where it should be ranked. I did consider wielding 2 different weapons when ranking each weapon, but I personally wouldn't say it's the key factor in ranking a weapon. I appreciate the comment!
I honestly think that the damage supers most of the time are useless because most Exs do more damage then them like Charge, Spread{ If you hit all 8 bullets} And even Converge
and if you are using Invicibility with Spread you can go inside the boss and do MASSIVE DAMAGE doing way more than Energy beam and Giant Ghost. Also I think Chalice,s super art 2 is actually the best super of Chalice and Is a S tier because not only can this easily be used to S rank bosses but also is very useful in challenges like No jumping.
I see what you mean by your first point. I most of the time prefer spamming EX's rather than Super, but Energy Beam at the very least is a means to deal that guaranteed damage rather than having to stand close to the boss and spamming EX's, leaving your vulnerable. Invincibility honestly doesn't last long enough, and you don't get enough time to really capitalize on going inside the boss and spamming Spread shots because you still have to leave their hitbox before exiting Invincibility, so you really only have like 3 seconds of Invincibility that you can realistically use. Ms. Chalice's Super II is really outshined by Spiral Pillar which does great damage, or Ghostly Barrage that deals massive damage and gives you a free parry. For a Super to simply give you 1 HP is really underwhelming and unnecessary considering she already has 4 HP and a dodge roll to "cheese" most bosses. Challenges are too niche of a thing and not something I would like to rank a tier list on, so I didn't take that into account just so you know. Overall, her Super II is just... unnecessary. Like you mentioned at the beginning, I'd prefer just spamming EX's and dealing massive damage rather than receive an extra HP.
@@MrKap I see what you mean with super art 2 and how she already has an extra heart but I find super art 1 very inconsistent and when I didn't have 3 I used 2 a lot and it's actually good because of the fact you can stack it so when one leaves you can use another essentially letting you go be reckless and spam ex moves because you now nothing will happen that's problematic
Best ex has the damage of 48 while super art 1 of cuphead has the damage of 85
I have a appreciation for chaser, it was the first one that I finished a level and I was stuck in it and helps when you suck at aiming,
AND DOESN'T REQUIRE DLC
I'm happy to see Charge so high, I love how it operates, I love how powerful it is, I love how it feels to fire off the chunky ass spiral shots
Although I still don't use it often, I can definitely recognize it's a powerhouse of a weapon and takes an experienced player to really take advantage of the weapons capabilities. A great weapon for many of the boss fights!
Now, I don't want to add further to the twist-up debate, but I often find spread achingly difficult to use. It doesn’t reach far enough for me to really feel like I can really be in control of where I am during the boss, which wouldn’t be a problem, if the spot spread wants you to be is where you're most likely to get hit if you're not really familiar with the bosses down to attack patterns. Twist-up isn't the best, but positionally, I find it a bit easier to use, even though I know spread is technically better. Really I think it comes down to experience.
Well the thing with Twist Up is it also takes skill to use, and I would argue more of it. Naturally, the weapon is more comprehensible and easier to use from range, but then you'll often find yourself having to position awkwardly to hit your shots. Spread is easier to manage and its DPS makes up for it. You just gotta know what situation to use it, then bam it's effective; Twist Up you gotta constantly change how you use it to get the most out of it, without any DPS increase to make up for it.
The major problem with Converge is that you need to stand still to do good damage
Yep
honestly it’s kinda like a high risk/high reward system
I really like Twist-Up for Cagney's first phase, because it's really hard to hit him with all of Spread's bullets consistently
Hear me out: Divine Relic. The reason why I’m suggesting this is because of the 3 charms: Smoke Dash, Axe and Ring Charm. It even randomizes your weapons everytime you dash or EX. The only thing you need is knowing
How to work with what you get. Good for people who know the weapons.
Hey man don't compare twist up to luigi. Luigi was useful in his own games which is more than i can say for twist up
That Mario-Luigi comparison near the end is not really that good because Luigi's higher jump (in games that have the distinction) makes him better than Mario despite he having less friction on the ground.
i think most people who use chalice for plane levels (including me) do it for the extra hit point lol even tho I tend to stay pretty far away on the plane bosses, I like the fact that multiple shots are coming out
In my opinion I would just use heart ring or twin hearts
Came for the ranking stayed for the twist up segment because damn
When you talked about ms chalice super 3 you said that the free parry can help for heart ring and super meter, but you can’t use heart ring, because ms chalice is a separate charm
Ah really I said that? My mistake then. It still gives you a free parry still, but obviously you can't get Heart Ring value then.
Bro went on a rampage with twister
Ha, yeah I could've made it shorter and more concise which I regret. Still not a great weapon though lol
Spread should be in S tier
Spread works REALLY well when it does work, but considering it doesn't work as well on quite a few bosses, I decided against S Tier. Same problem with the EX too.
@@MrKap but that dps can’t be ignored
And plus it is really good when paired with roundabout
I’m pretty sure if the game devs increased the range it would be OP
It’s a low S-tier for me but I understand your opinion
MrKap: "spread is A tier"
Also MrKap going through the bosses for twist up viability: "use spread use spread use spread use spread"
I personally think that the whetstone should have been at least in A because if the boss doesn’t have an attack box you can attack them on the inside.
I've heard a lot of people make the same general argument that "Oh (insert weapon here) can be used here, it should be in a high tier!", and the fallacy that argument creates is that it completely disregards every other charm (in this case) and the fact that essentially every other charm is probably better in that situation and other charms can be way more widely used across all boss fights. The only charm I really need to mention here is Heart Ring because it is BY FAR the best charm in the game. Some of the other charms are amazing as well, but Heart Ring takes the cake. You get free health with no damage nerf and all you gotta do is parry, which you were already going to do anyways, ESPECIALLY if you're going for an A+ or S rank. On top of this, combining it with Crackshot gives you essentially free health ON DEMAND! Just EX, parry the planet orb, and you either just got closer to getting a free 1 HP, or got 1 HP for just using your EX! You can probably imagine now that this charm can COMPLETELY overshadow the lesser useful charms like Twin Hearts because of its damage nerf and Parry Sugar because it's not very necessary unless you struggle with parries. I can go on and give more reasons for Whetstone being low on the tier list, but simply other charms are better than dealing a little extra damage for very few phases.
@@MrKapdamn that's a lot of words to bad I'm not reading them
@@Peyton818why did you bother replying
Dark Souls being a synonym for a hard game is just proof that video game journalists are the least creative people on the planet.
Uhh hello these are the guys that ruined sonic im not even surprised anymore but when you ask them,they "play alright" even though they cant even defeat any first boss in any videogame.
I agree with everything this man says except for Shield Pal. Amazing tier list.
My favorite combo is crackshot and spread, because crackshot is good for moving targets, plus it’s just a better chaser, and spread is good for bosses up close. The only downside to crackshot is that sometimes it hits what you don’t want to hit, like the fireballs in grim matchstick stage 3, and sometimes it does the exact opposite, like in phantom express with the ghosts and pumpkins.
I feel like twist up needs a damage buff feel like that would fix the aiming problem if you were better rewarded. Kinda like the lobber or spread but having full range. Just awkward angles tho.
I say Twist Up definitely needs a buff, and maybe upping its damage could work, but I feel like its range is really lacking and is what causes this weapon to feel terrible to use. It has such a short range horizontally, that you are basically using Spread but going up instead, which at that point why not use Spread? If it had its range increased slightly (maybe by like 20-25%?) then the shots could go further and you can be in more comfortable spots of the stage and also consistently deal damage from a safer place. Also buffing the fire rate/speed of the projectiles would work as well so you can hit more consistently. It's hard in the end, but I feel like those aren't terrible ideas.
Whetstone does actually have a use in plane levels. After hitting a super, you can use the invincibility frames to parry off the boss inside its hitbox for about 3 seconds, doing massive damage. If you're doing S ranks, though, heart ring or coffee might be better IMO.
I do this often, but this is great advice! Exactly a tip I would say.
@@MrKap Thank you!
The Divine Charm is pretty good 👍
Hot take, the best weapon in the game is the one *you* the player are the best with. If someone sucks with the spread, the spread is worse, it’s more beneficial to use weapons you are good with, even if they aren’t optimal in the typical sense
From a casual standpoint, that's true.
@@MrKap like, for example, my favorite weapon in the game was converge, because it was very easy to land hits, and also had a mode for more damage. I knew it wasn’t the best weapon, but it was easy to use, and fun.
my favorite weapon is charge shot.I love doing tons of damage.and the charging isn't an issue for me.@@gamersread2405
So far, this is the best Cuphead Weapon Ranking video I’ve seen. I have to agree with all of these. I was underwhelmed by Converge since it’s such a cool shot but it’s EX lacks compared to the other shots. Nice video!
Thank you! I really wanted to create a more objectively based tier list (with some exceptions lol), looking at each individual part of a weapon separately and ranking based on practicality overall. That's why I still find Twist Up much more impractical than the weapons higher on the tier list although I now believe that I ranked Twist Up a bit too harshly.
I was on his side about twist up until he made that Mario and Luigi analogy. IN NO WAY IS MARIO BETTER THAN LUIGI
I remember the time I did a Lobber Only challenge, and I was rather shocked at how effective it was for nearly every boss in the game! So underrated. Oh yeah, and I hate the twist up with every fibre of my being.
6:49 An even better example is during the moonshine mod boss. The shots go through the top two wooden platforms, so if you shoot upwards from the very top, they can bounce for a long time and essentially make a wall of death of your enemies.
14:50 Ah yes. I remember watching that. He was doing so well until he got to twist up. I thought he could earn my respect.
Backign up your point on twist up, that was the first weapon I used in a single weapon challenge, as I already considered it to be the worst in the game. After completing it, that opinion had increased by 1100%. So many bosses I fought in my lobber only challenge had me thinking “Lobber does this WAY better than twist up did!” In summary, Twist up is a crappy version of Lobber.
24:01 Oh my god yes! Someone finally agrees with me about miss chalice in airplane levels!
Personally I think Heart Buddy is Chalice’s best Super rather than worst due to how valuable HP is in Cuphead, but I can understand why some people wouldn’t like it
Eh, it's just that with all the perks Ms. Chalice already has, to use a WHOLE SUPER to tank 1 HIT which you could already do better in every way with Heart Ring is quite unnecessary in my opinion. It's definitely useful and can help for hard bosses like Chef Saltbaker S Rank, but otherwise I'd rather just deal tons of damage with Ghostly Barrage AND get a free parry to beat the boss faster.
@@MrKap But you can’t use the heart ring with Ms Chalice
There is however one mistake you have made in the tier list. Just as you didn't include any of the other charms for not dealing damage I think you shouldn't have included the regular Super art 2 and Ms. Chalice's since they also don't deal any damage and thus can't be classified as weapons.
While you're not wrong, since they are literally built in as the character's utility and I was already ranking all the other Supers anyways, it would be weird to completely skip over them. The charms are a different case in my opinion.
i love it when confident people get proved wrong
Those DLC weapons (except Crackshoot) are not really worth using often, but when they are it absolutely rules. For example
Twist Up--> Howling Aces (on every phase except second with Crackshoot), Chef Salbaker (first phase, rest with Chaser. Just try it, I am dead serious. Chaser carries, you can do second phase decently, and with last one it makes your life so much easier, Crackshoot doesn't even land a half of it's shots in this phase!)
Converge--> Phantom Express (first, maybe even second and third phases, depends if you are using Spread or Crackshoot as your second weapon)
I love converge on phantom express with chaser so the last phase isnt too hard
@@tamooz6649 yeah, but Crackshoot also works cause this Heart isn't fast enough to dodge
The way the other guy just says "this weapon is good and you are just bad if you can't use it" lol
27:32 *B R O Y O U M S C H A L I C E N O H E A R T R I N G*
One thing I also noticed is that Roundabout has slightly better damage with it’s normal shot than Twist Up, both of their Ex shots deal 40 damage if all attacks hit, and Twist Up has a DPS that is slightly better than Roundabout’s DPS.
I go more in depth into Twist Up in my video "Is Twist Up Really THAT Good?", so I recommend checking out that video!
@@MrKap13:45 If you look at this table showing Twist Up and Roundabout’s stats it proves my point
#stoptwistuphate
You're born to do tier lists. That's all you could ask for in a weapon tier list. I couldn't find any negative aspect. 👍🏻
I appreciate the comment!
I feel like one way you can make Giant Ghost effective enough is using Roundabout because of how turning around makes your damage spread you could turn around and use Giant Ghost and turn around constantly all while still dealing Roundabout damage and DPS
I 100% agree. This is pretty much one of the only ways I could really find Giant Ghost to truly be effective. Great comment!
@@MrKap Hopefully that will help make Giant Ghost look a little more useful than we give it credit for, but still honestly Giant Ghost still isn’t fun to use, but at least this strategy could make bosses and specific boss Wurner Wurman’s last phase a a joke when you think about it. This probably ain’t gonna effect Giant Ghosts tier ranking the slightest, but my way of using Giant Ghost is something to note. Although this ain’t always gonna be effective especially for bosses like Baroness Von Bon Bon it makes me feel like I am using Giant Ghost efficiently even when I miss most of my hits.
Whetstone B tier, if used in virtually any plane boss, it overshadows every other (plane mode) charm. Outside of plane, it isn't as effective, although still, if used right if can tag on extra damage. Sure, quite situational, but when you can use it effectively, it is super efficient.
Kap:I just went over every single boss.also Kap:*skips howling aces and glumstone*
That's what happens when you do it in one take lol, but also I did go over Glumstone, so hey, we all make mistakes sometimes
Whetstone is actually good if you’re in a tight spot, also its high damage kills things instantly, like ads or enemies on run n gun stages. You can also take advantage of this damage on plane levels when you get close to bosses, it really adds up! I feel like all the whetstone hate comes from people that never use it/don’t give it a chance. Sure it’s not for everyone, but it’s not terrible!
Bit late but with the charge when you dash it will shoot it. This might no sound bad but if you use miss.Chalice you practically can’t parry if the boss is moving or on the opposite side of when you dash.
I love how lobber either does like no damage or makes a boss die in what feels like seconds
Honestly, chaser wasnt even that bad, its just that crack is SO much better
I agree with *everything* … except:
Chaser: Chaser is very good imo. Just hold down the shoot button the whole game for a guaranteed victory :) … but you will need to dodge like hell…
Charged shot: Charged shot is very easy for me to use. It’s probably because I count one bar at 145 bpm while using the thing (works well with bosses that have a bussin soundtrack XD); 9 times out of 10, it hits the boss regardless of distance. As for its ex, I NEVER use it, but it could come in clutch for bosses that have a long phase-transitioning animation.
Minibombs: Mini bombs are very good for phases that are either below the plane or don’t have many projectiles on the screen at one time.
Giant Ghost: Bast super in the game behind Ghostly Barrage! This thing does more damage than Energy Beam if you use it properly AND it gives you a free parry at the end. W super.
Whetstone Maaaaaaybe if you use spread or in arial battles-? Nah I’m jk. This shi garbage.
Thanks for the ❤️
One more thing to add with Chaser:
The ex (for me) acts as a free hit protection. By having the 4 orbiting chaser ex bullets, I will be invulnerable to any minion that charges at me (any other attack, you’re on your own). I can also go up to the boss to deal a sort of “meele damage”, but it’s very rare and risky
I’m gonna stand up for my man, the whetstone. I may be just a lunatic, but having this extra close combat weapon plus jump extender I feel makes it decent.
Oh no, not as a weapon, but as a combo piece. I’ll keep my charge shot, crack shot combo thanks.
Nice, i also love the Charge Shot/ Crack Shot combo. Charge does huge damage per hit, and the Crack Shot covers Charge's weaknesses pretty well. If there are fast moving minions trying to overwhelm me while using the Charge, i'll just pull out the Crack Shot and quickly deal with em. Great combo.
I’d put charge in S tier because it can reach its max dps without you having to aim at the boss all the time. You can charge it while dodging without aiming toward the boss without losing any dps. Its biggest flaw is dealing with minions though.
Today I learned that I read roundabout’s shop description wrong. I always thought it did more damage if fired backward. I now understand it does the same damage per shot no matter what.
I hope Roundabout is where it deserves. By far my favorite weapon in the game, even above Crackshot (close, though!). Playing through Cuphead again after a long break to prep for a New Year's goal of improving at the game and just…ah. My beloved. Such an awesome weapon.
Edit: Excellent. Good. All is as it should be. Also, this is a generally wonderful video! :0 Very thorough.
Im basically a noob at this game and I used chaser against Sally stageplay and lost until I bought the roundabout. Thanks for the content!
Yeah, no problem!
Heart ring is good and all but with bosses like sally stageplay where parries are scarce I find that shield pal is really good, it helps your super meter and hp. Encouraging parries. Shield pal is just really good for perfection especially since you can keep it around, use ex shots exclusively after, and it isn’t some aim based damage
Converge is the only reason I was able to beat Phantom Express, so it gets a solid "A" in my book.
You are 100% correct, Converge works extremely well for Phantom Express, but that doesn't mean that it automatically is an A tier weapon. I assume you didn't mean that as literally as I thought, but while Converge is not a bad weapon, it just gets outshined by a lot of the other weapons and the ridiculously high spread of the shots before holding down the weapon lock button.
@@MrKap Yeah, I was just speaking from a subjective standpoint. That fight drove me nuts with those god-forsaken pumpkins, and that shot made things so much easier. I agree it's not the best because I use crackshot FAR more often.
Tbh, I think twist up is the best weapon for Pantom Express
oh my god thank you for mentioning potato king's video his twist up take is so ice-cold i genuinely clicked off, glad to see someone actually knows what they're talking about
To be fair, I believe his points aren't completely wrong, but he didn't really support his arguments very well. After you take your time and REALLY use Twist Up, it's not a bad weapon and I would say it would be fine in B tier. I'd still personally use other weapons, but you can definitely use it more versatile like if you are good at angling and positioning. Still, he wasn't able to really support his argument by actually talking about the weapon and it's pros and cons. I appreciate the kind words and comment!
I think that spread should be like one tier higher but besides that I fully agree with this
If you use Whetstone on a plane level, you can spam that axe attack to your heart's content
The spread ex is extremely powerful for phase 2 of the devil because if all 8 shots hit, it’ll deal almost 6x the damage of a full charge shot!
I thing I just noticed is that although the Crackshot ex can be used in a few different ways it deals the most underwhelming damage in the game
Naturally, Crackshot's EX is more utility and support based than pure damage, but I would say it can deal decent damage if used efficiently and correctly. The planet orb shoots 5 shots before dissipating, each dealing 3.5 damage. It's not a lot, but if you allow the orb to shoot 4 times, then parry it, it will home towards the boss and deal 14 damage. That's 3.5 x 4 + 14, which equals 28. To put that in perspective, that's the same damage as Lobber EX. Yes, it is slow and it's definitely not the best, but it can help with minions and deal passive damage while not even thinking. You're right though that it's not a good EX for purely damage, but that's why it makes up with its other utility, mainly free health for Heart Ring.
21:50 Luigi slander will not be tolerated on this platform
Yeah, one thing I just realized is how much Roundabout actually carried me through almost all platform bosses in Cuphead. Like literally, I used Roundabout to beat almost every single platform boss in the game. And it still carries me to this day because Roundabout is just so good, and especially with Spread, those two weapons became my go-to combo and I pretty much used them together for literally almost every single platform boss, Roundabout is literally my god scent and add in Spread and I have my godfather ready to either with me or carry me through almost all the platform bosses😂
Like I literally used this combination when I first beat Cagney Carnation, especially in the final phase, whenever I had the chance to get up close to Cagney, I would get up close and deal that massive Spread DPS, but then when I realized I had couldn't stay close to him any longer or I'd risk tanking a hit, I would just go back turn around and start mindlessly letting all of that Roundabout hit while focusing on puring evading or parrying. It's a pretty noob and cheap move for those who hate having to use the weapon lock button to aim, but it works every time I face Cagney.
Like ofc I don't use it for every boss like Goopy, The Root Pack, and Captain Briney Beard (either because it's really not needed for me to use the combo aka Goopy and The Root Pack since Pea Shooter just works way better for those bosses or because the combo just doesn't for that boss like Captain Briney Beard), but overall it is just so effective that I can't stop using it
Some people are not good enough to use spread and Use twist up
Honestly I’d say whetstone works well for certain airplane levels. Its like the chaser pretty niche for the most part.
crackshot is even more insane because if you have the heart ring equipped you can use the ex and spam parry the ex to get extra hp
Kap:ms chalice’s super art 1 and 3 are just better than her super art 2 and if you need more hp just use heart ring.
ms chalice:pros:has invincibility roll,has extra hp,has double jump,has parry that uses only 1 button.
Cons:equipped as a charm,that is it bro
Now, you don't really want to do this, but the plane super can be used as a last-ditch effort to survive an extra hit. Not really worth the loss of damage if you've got more than one health left though.
i first had a crippling addiction to spread and charge, now i have a crippling addiction to roundabout and and crackshot
I still have an addiction to spread and charge.lol
@@RageChipslol fair
My genuine reaction upon first time using super art III: AYO CUPHEAD ASCENDING
Chaser is underrated, you don’t have to aim so can focus on dodging, and when you focus on dodging you never/very rarely get hit, so you can’t lose.
18:23 I watched this video, and some of it I agreed with there was still parts I didn't agree with. But anyways he ain't have to pull up mangosteen because EVERYTHING is good against mangosteen
Spread should be S tbh. It has its downsides, but those downsides are pretty minor and the upsides are pretty huge. Other than that, chefs kiss perfect list.
I feel like giant ghost deserves to be a little higher. Mainly because the damage output is even further enhanced if you can manage to also pop shots into the enemy, which can be done by alternating up and down Instead of left and right (without lock) so that you can keep from turning around.
You could also just use crackshot or roundabout.
And the other benefit is that the hit rate is so high that it actually slows down enemy animations, which allows you to get more shots in if the boss is in a vulnerable animation. such as transformation or transitions.
Sure it's not easy to use, but the reward for using it correctly is ridiculously overpowered.
I've accidentally conditioned myself and i cant stop using Spread cuz anything else i use doesnt fit my skill- send help i've been completing everything in under 2 minutes
One day the internet will stop confusing hurtboxes for hitboxes. One day...
I get what you mean. They are so closely tied together that it's hard to remember sometimes. It's just an expectation that their hitbox is the same as their hurtbox, which is definitely true for a majority of the bosses.
You know this weapon is good but you know what really better?
S P R EA D
Super III is underrated in my opinion, the Cuphead ghost looks dope and makes he seem like a stand user. And the damage is also good when you use it in the right moments
it's also worth mentioning that chaser is really good on gun run, since you can easily hit every enemy on the screen while all you have to do is hold down the shoot button
I basically beat the entire game with chaser and spread with smoke bomb. Made it so I basically only had to focus on dodging, and could maximize damage with spread when dodging wasn’t really required. Also I found chaser to do quite a lot of damage. As long as you aim it in the general direction it hit far more often than the other weapons I tried. Then again I’m incredibly bad at aiming precisely and dodging at the same time.
Crazy how twist up is both a worse roundabout and a worse spread
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Also, I believe crack shot can be paired with heart ring and counts as a parry for bonus hp in a pinch
13:25 twist up if a boss phase such as final phase for glumstone the giant well if you use roundabout you would just say “aim up its not hard.” Well why don’t you just aim for every boss with twist up and Potato king said it was EFFECTIVE for the bosses not the best so why hate so much u have another shot like crackshot if you can’t aim but if you can’t aim try learning.
Crackshot is easily one of the best🔥
I can't even tell you how many times the chaser saved my ass. Not high on damage but it helps you out tons
Definitely can be useful. Honestly, if the projectile speed of the shots were faster, then I would say that Chaser is B or A tier.
I think what makes twist up worse than roundabout is the learning curve. Once you get god with twist up it quickly becomes super effective.
I would say it becomes much better, but still under Spread.
I'm crying from that twist up ranking but whatever. what I want to say is that the good thing about twist up is that the low damage output lets you save up for an ultimate or some high damage EX's
actually, I'm gonna beat the game with only twist up and see what happens
the fact that you said mario is better than luigi almost invalidates this whole video
fight me about it :) :P
Yay! I finally see Charge Shot getting the value and credit it deserves