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If you want to go one step further, you could add an air line to provide a tiny bit of pressure inside the shroud to further 'encourage' the dust to stay out.
You could look into those plastic hoses with metal rings inside and see if they work, I'm not sure there are any in the right diameter though. I don't think they will offer a lot of resistance to the advancements of the x, y, z axis and the idea of the air is also a very good one.
Excellent video! Keep tinkering with different ideas and things and never give up! I am still a newby and trying to figure out the CNC basics with my low cost cnc 3018. It is only a matter of time and will be building the IndyMill as my next CNC upgrade.
This is an awesome solution, but did you consider the design of shock absorber boots? They sort of "accordion" in and out, they'd be perfect for this application!
Regarding the ball screw covers. This would cause your X axis to be longer but.... instead of the ball screws on the outside of the X gantry supports, put it on the inside. Then, on the top of the Y rail and linear rail/bearing assembly, you can add a simple flat piece of aluminum that "almost" touches the X gantry. This would shield the rails and the the ball screw. Also, it would be a nice place for the wire chain to rest. Again, it would cause the X gantry pieces to be longer.
Nice dialog from Bart to Bart. But why you not do like I did, I designed a sponge holder that is oiled and cleans the debris, both ball screw and linear rails. Naturally you need clean those sponges every so often but, they lubricate and keep debris out of getting in into bearings. In addition I have chip cover to direct most of the chips on y direction both sides.
Congratulation this a very clever solution ! can i suggest you to add a flexible pipe who add a positive pressure with deshydrate oiled air and distributed it with a micro lubrication your screws will last for years. Make bellows to protect the slide the slider hates dust and add the same technique as above !
This is gonna sound really boring, but here's an alternate design. Instead of the telescoping cover, just encase each side in a "box" and cut a slit along the top long edge for the Y-axis vertical arm to pass through. To keep a primitive seal on the slit opening, use bristles. They move aside when the veritical arm passes through, but form a seal to keep chips out.
How about metal? Would be much more durable than paper or plastic. And I know where to get them ready-made and tested: a magician's appearing cane. I see them on Amazon for about $10.00. Look for something bare metal, maybe blued. I'd avoid anything painted. The plastic ones work but metal is more durable by far.
You may want to look at making your own Bellows. There is even a program to help you figure out the folding pattern. www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/Bellows/Bellows.htm
If you take a 2 liter soda bottle, you can cut it in one long strip by using a spiral cut. I make very long pieces of clear plastic this way. Just keep to the portion of the bottle that has no curves. The spiral cut might actually benefit the ball screw cover, because it needs a little spiral anyway. No glue joints!
I also want my own CNCologist. You're very lucky to have one :) Edit: For some reason youtube doesn't show my other comment. I will add it here. What about using one of those extendable steel staffs?
Hello. I'm a 35 year old graduated engineer and admire and appreciate your work! Congrats mate! You're great! This video is not just funny but also intelligent. Nice.
make it yourself.becouse there is nothing like that available and 5million hobbiest want same thing. start business xD.if you profit 1 buck thats 5 million money LOLneed be sell fast or chinese copies come xD
Not bad. My first inclination would be to use polypropylene sheets, like from a folder, but there's one problem with them... you just can't glue this material, at all. PVC is a good solution and i think contact glue should work perfectly with it.
how about building the cover "bandsander style" .....the moving "sandpaper" as cover attached to the gantry..it only would need a sider cover and 1 rolls at each end. The moving part could be some kind of cheap pont foil. If there is enough "overhang" from the foil this might work.
There are plastic fluorescent tube covers that are very long. Perhaps a spiral cut on one of these could yield two shields that are one continuous piece?
The couch-and-doctor style worked really well dude. I'm sure a fan could suggest a good lubricant to help keep the roll slipping without jamming up; maybe silicon based?
The Pvc is a great idea! Would suggest some ptfe spray as a bit of a dry lubricant to help decrease the sticktion. Also, you could like at teflon cooking sheets as well, over the distance, im not sure about rigidity, but with enough winds, I reckon you could be getting closer. Keep up the good work, cant wait for you to get closer to end game, as I will be certainly building one of these. Really appreciate your smarts!
If you want a good way to join the PVC strips together, you can use a blowtorch to melt one face on each of the two ends that you want to join, and then stick them together with the melted faces touching each other (maybe 2 or 3 cm of overlap) and clamp them between two pieces of clean scrap metal (vises are good for this). After cutting off the excess plastic that flowed out the sides of the strip, you should have a pretty solid connection. Great video!
Nice video, always nice to find people I've seen for ages on Instructables also here on youtube. As for an alternative solution, maybe you should take a look at origami bellows. I think that if you would print those in a flexible filament it would be ideal for covering your ball-screws.
What are the travel maximums for each axis? Given the rails that you used in your project. I have not seen any in the videos. This looks to be the perfect size for my guitar project
You'll have to enclose your linear bearings as well! Try to have a complete and a moving cover for both between your milling volume and the bearings and ball screws. I use a side cover for 80% of the dust and a driven rubber cover around the moving parts
Offset printing plates might work perfectly in this application, they are made with very thin and springy aluminium. The problem may be where you can find them in this age of digital printing.
This works the ball screws but you need to protect the linear rails to. Bellows are not that hard to fold from paper or plastic and then you can make them big enough to cover booth the rails and ballscrew. Perfect cheap diy
Love the video! Have you thought about adding a small diode laser to the mill? that would make it do double duty, and for people without a laser, would mean that they could do engraving and cardboard/paper cutting. No idea how it would be wired, but it is an idea...
Gread video. Have you considered making those covers using origami accordion patterns? If you search for "origami bellows" you may find another solution to your problem at least for the z axis.
@@nikodembartnik you can learn basic folding skills following simple origami tutorials. I recommend tadashi mori's channel. I hope your origami skills change their mind:)
Loving the upgrades and video format. My laser cut parts arrived yesterday and I will be building my indymill soon. Hopping to record build process. I hope you can share your limit switch additions in another awesome video.
A suggestion for connecting the plastic strips, there's ultrasonic welders for plastic that should work well, and once you start using them you'll find all sorts of uses for them.
If you add air valves to the covers and provide a little bit of positive pressure, it'll keep the smaller dust pieces from going in between the layers.
Limit switches can be replaced with TMC2209 drivers these days, they have Stalguard built in ;) And normally we use bellows around our linear systems to keep everything clean. I really like the telescopic idea, but for me bellows work really well and are affordable if you find the right supplier. Now what I want to add, old bellows were sometimes made with some very smooth and strong (200grams) black paper backing and overlayed with some sort of fabric. This causes the inside to be smooth and the outside to be tear-resistant because of the fabric. The benefit of bellows is that it really doesn't let any dust through, whereas the telescopic solution will collect dust in-between the paper layers and eventually it can get either stuck, or will keep dust inside of the telescopic tube instead of keeping it out. I suggest using a fabric 'sock' over the telescoping tube will keep dust out. This could be a great addition to your design.
@@MarinusMakesStuff i was commenting on the dust coming into the telescope tybe when i saw your comment. What about just a plastic bag tube with thin Steel Wires to keep it's round shape. Or make it as a shower curtain with a bar holding the Steel Wires.
@@justgotravel6646 Oh yeah that sounds totally cool, a plastic-bag-tube kind of design with a thin wire spiral made or spring steel would work nicely as well! I like the idea.
Ponieważ przyszedł prototyp części pomalowanych proszkowo więc go zamontowałem :)
4 роки тому
Use a plastic shower curtain rod cover which has a slit in it .cut the proper length for the ball Screw. slip it over the ball screw through the slit and just let it hang there . there's your dust cover
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pro tip : watch movies at flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching lots of of movies lately.
@Ahmir Seth Yea, have been using flixzone for months myself :)
Excellent presentation, Niko! Keep goin' on
If you want to go one step further, you could add an air line to provide a tiny bit of pressure inside the shroud to further 'encourage' the dust to stay out.
Cool idea! Never thought about that. It would be like a positive pressure suit for ball screws :)
Was thinking the same thing. It's like positive pressure in a PC cooling setup.
You could look into those plastic hoses with metal rings inside and see if they work, I'm not sure there are any in the right diameter though. I don't think they will offer a lot of resistance to the advancements of the x, y, z axis and the idea of the air is also a very good one.
Your are a brilliant young man, I really like your design of the gantry of you CNC Router. Keep it up.
These are some next level production values 😀
Thanks!
Nikodem Bartnik - well deserved mate, you were never crap, but you’ve improved exponentially over time and this last one was just great😎
Nice sense of humor ! Also an excellent product/solution ! Well done !
Excellent video! Keep tinkering with different ideas and things and never give up! I am still a newby and trying to figure out the CNC basics with my low cost cnc 3018. It is only a matter of time and will be building the IndyMill as my next CNC upgrade.
Excellent video! You are a very talented young man.
This is an awesome solution, but did you consider the design of shock absorber boots? They sort of "accordion" in and out, they'd be perfect for this application!
Regarding the ball screw covers. This would cause your X axis to be longer but.... instead of the ball screws on the outside of the X gantry supports, put it on the inside. Then, on the top of the Y rail and linear rail/bearing assembly, you can add a simple flat piece of aluminum that "almost" touches the X gantry. This would shield the rails and the the ball screw. Also, it would be a nice place for the wire chain to rest. Again, it would cause the X gantry pieces to be longer.
Nice dialog from Bart to Bart. But why you not do like I did, I designed a sponge holder that is oiled and cleans the debris, both ball screw and linear rails. Naturally you need clean those sponges every so often but, they lubricate and keep debris out of getting in into bearings. In addition I have chip cover to direct most of the chips on y direction both sides.
Nicely done video, and you've got me thinking about possible designs...
Congratulation this a very clever solution !
can i suggest you to add a flexible pipe who add a positive pressure with deshydrate oiled air and distributed it with a micro lubrication your screws will last for years. Make bellows to protect the slide the slider hates dust and add the same technique as above !
Damn what a spectacular intro
What software you used to control CNC grbl machine to connect machine and send g-codes
I want to see how much it would cost to make in China! Looks like 51101 Thrust bearing is missing from the parts list
i like how you plug in sponsored part funny way 😅
hey, the link on your site is just for the 3d printed files again, not the new parts, can you fix that link?
4:48 haha!!
Cool
This is gonna sound really boring, but here's an alternate design. Instead of the telescoping cover, just encase each side in a "box" and cut a slit along the top long edge for the Y-axis vertical arm to pass through. To keep a primitive seal on the slit opening, use bristles. They move aside when the veritical arm passes through, but form a seal to keep chips out.
It seems like sawdust would settle on the fibers, then fall in as the gantry moves them apart.
How about metal? Would be much more durable than paper or plastic. And I know where to get them ready-made and tested: a magician's appearing cane. I see them on Amazon for about $10.00. Look for something bare metal, maybe blued. I'd avoid anything painted. The plastic ones work but metal is more durable by far.
2nd page of google search? :-o
We haven't even known that it exists! O_o
I'm starting to worry about it, it's kind of dangerous when someone looks in the second page of google search haha
😳 I looked also at page number 5 .... and now I'm looking at myself as a monster 😭😭😭
You may want to look at making your own Bellows. There is even a program to help you figure out the folding pattern.
www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/Bellows/Bellows.htm
Don't stop wearing the hat. They laughed at the Wright brothers too.
Lolz! "Even second page on Google search".
This was hilarious.
"...even the second page of Google search." lol
If you take a 2 liter soda bottle, you can cut it in one long strip by using a spiral cut. I make very long pieces of clear plastic this way. Just keep to the portion of the bottle that has no curves.
The spiral cut might actually benefit the ball screw cover, because it needs a little spiral anyway.
No glue joints!
I also want my own CNCologist. You're very lucky to have one :)
Edit: For some reason youtube doesn't show my other comment. I will add it here.
What about using one of those extendable steel staffs?
Cool dude, he just complains a bit too often
"You used hotglue, seriously now? What´s next? Are you gonna start making life-hack-videos???" ;-)
"If you are not failing, you are probabbly not innovating enough..."
You could probably use some shim stock for this, they sell it by the roll too.
That’s how it made commercially
I started looking for something like this last week and was going to try something similar. You saved me a lot of time! Love your projects man!
Hello. I'm a 35 year old graduated engineer and admire and appreciate your work! Congrats mate! You're great!
This video is not just funny but also intelligent. Nice.
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Love the couch session intro!
Thank you!
i saw exactly similar scene in cnc video by someone else, but i can not remember who
make it yourself.becouse there is nothing like that available and 5million hobbiest want same thing. start business xD.if you profit 1 buck thats 5 million money LOLneed be sell fast or chinese copies come xD
The video is excellent
Thank you!
*You are the perfect example of a guy who follows their passions.*
Did you test that small articles, like saw dust does not going to block the friction of the tube over time?
i think if we put small brush in front the nut and fix it with 3d printer holder can work also
Andr for linear rails ? I looks to protect linear rails and not axis for my futur project
Hello. Can you share 3D MODEL OF YOUR ROUTER ?
I forgot that these videos were funny🤣🤣love it
excuse me where is the videos of your tool used at 8min38 of your videos.
As always, loved the video. You definitely keep inspiring me to improve my DIY mill. Might need to add this!
What is the workable volume for the CNC machine?
Czym odciągasz wióry z pola roboczego? Odkurzacz, odciąg?
Nie lepsze bylo było by cos takiego ?www.fumet.com.pl/oslony_harmonijkowe_okragle.html
You should check out fork gaiters, like the kind used on Motorcycles. They're super super cheap, durable and work really well for covering leadscrews!
That’s a super cool design
NICE
specialy that you posted the fail
I want to have that kind of equipment btw loved the video
Not bad. My first inclination would be to use polypropylene sheets, like from a folder, but there's one problem with them... you just can't glue this material, at all.
PVC is a good solution and i think contact glue should work perfectly with it.
You are great, man. Keep up the good work!!!
Only second page of google search?
meanwhile linear rails are crying in a corner
👏👏👏
how about building the cover "bandsander style" .....the moving "sandpaper" as cover attached to the gantry..it only would need a sider cover and 1 rolls at each end. The moving part could be some kind of cheap pont foil. If there is enough "overhang" from the foil this might work.
There are plastic fluorescent tube covers that are very long. Perhaps a spiral cut on one of these could yield two shields that are one continuous piece?
Lol, loving the new format.
The couch-and-doctor style worked really well dude. I'm sure a fan could suggest a good lubricant to help keep the roll slipping without jamming up; maybe silicon based?
The Pvc is a great idea! Would suggest some ptfe spray as a bit of a dry lubricant to help decrease the sticktion.
Also, you could like at teflon cooking sheets as well, over the distance, im not sure about rigidity, but with enough winds, I reckon you could be getting closer.
Keep up the good work, cant wait for you to get closer to end game, as I will be certainly building one of these.
Really appreciate your smarts!
First of all great Project. And I have a question on that. Which CAD program are you useing?
If you want a good way to join the PVC strips together, you can use a blowtorch to melt one face on each of the two ends that you want to join, and then stick them together with the melted faces touching each other (maybe 2 or 3 cm of overlap) and clamp them between two pieces of clean scrap metal (vises are good for this). After cutting off the excess plastic that flowed out the sides of the strip, you should have a pretty solid connection. Great video!
Nice video, always nice to find people I've seen for ages on Instructables also here on youtube. As for an alternative solution, maybe you should take a look at origami bellows. I think that if you would print those in a flexible filament it would be ideal for covering your ball-screws.
Did not know you had a TWIN BROTHER, anyway consider the bendable straw it compresses and expands to bend
Hey Nikodem I hope you’re good, I like what you doing, and I have question for you: is”andrey esipenko” your brother?
Dude, you are making such a good videos. Really interesting, very well mounted, instructive and amusing. Congratulation, best regards from Spain
What are the travel maximums for each axis? Given the rails that you used in your project. I have not seen any in the videos. This looks to be the perfect size for my guitar project
Nikodem myślałeś o 4 osi ?
i wonder if you could 3d print cover spirals out of e semi-flexible filament and use only one layer thick walls.. or maybe even 3d printed segments
You'll have to enclose your linear bearings as well! Try to have a complete and a moving cover for both between your milling volume and the bearings and ball screws. I use a side cover for 80% of the dust and a driven rubber cover around the moving parts
Offset printing plates might work perfectly in this application, they are made with very thin and springy aluminium. The problem may be where you can find them in this age of digital printing.
You could try aluminium flashing as it is pretty widely available, not sure how it would perform though... Might be too maliable
This works the ball screws but you need to protect the linear rails to. Bellows are not that hard to fold from paper or plastic and then you can make them big enough to cover booth the rails and ballscrew. Perfect cheap diy
Love the video! Have you thought about adding a small diode laser to the mill? that would make it do double duty, and for people without a laser, would mean that they could do engraving and cardboard/paper cutting. No idea how it would be wired, but it is an idea...
Gread video. Have you considered making those covers using origami accordion patterns? If you search for "origami bellows" you may find another solution to your problem at least for the z axis.
yes I did, but my origami skills said no
@@nikodembartnik dont give up mine was horrible but after trying a few times i got them working if you scratch out the fold patterns it works great.
@@nikodembartnik you can learn basic folding skills following simple origami tutorials. I recommend tadashi mori's channel. I hope your origami skills change their mind:)
well , i will make sure to integrate that into my diy cnc :D , thanks mate
Loving the upgrades and video format. My laser cut parts arrived yesterday and I will be building my indymill soon. Hopping to record build process. I hope you can share your limit switch additions in another awesome video.
Simply awesome :D
A suggestion for connecting the plastic strips, there's ultrasonic welders for plastic that should work well, and once you start using them you'll find all sorts of uses for them.
If you add air valves to the covers and provide a little bit of positive pressure, it'll keep the smaller dust pieces from going in between the layers.
Limit switches can be replaced with TMC2209 drivers these days, they have Stalguard built in ;) And normally we use bellows around our linear systems to keep everything clean. I really like the telescopic idea, but for me bellows work really well and are affordable if you find the right supplier. Now what I want to add, old bellows were sometimes made with some very smooth and strong (200grams) black paper backing and overlayed with some sort of fabric. This causes the inside to be smooth and the outside to be tear-resistant because of the fabric. The benefit of bellows is that it really doesn't let any dust through, whereas the telescopic solution will collect dust in-between the paper layers and eventually it can get either stuck, or will keep dust inside of the telescopic tube instead of keeping it out. I suggest using a fabric 'sock' over the telescoping tube will keep dust out. This could be a great addition to your design.
Fabric sock sounds easier.
@@justgotravel6646 I think the sock needs a medium in order to keep it from getting into the mechanical parts. So the telescope is ideal for that.
@@MarinusMakesStuff i was commenting on the dust coming into the telescope tybe when i saw your comment.
What about just a plastic bag tube with thin Steel Wires to keep it's round shape. Or make it as a shower curtain with a bar holding the Steel Wires.
Btw the tmc driver you talk about is that the one that detect friction / stop on the motor.
@@justgotravel6646 Oh yeah that sounds totally cool, a plastic-bag-tube kind of design with a thin wire spiral made or spring steel would work nicely as well! I like the idea.
funny intro :-D nice!
first
Tak z ciekawości, dlaczego metalowe elementy zmieniły ciemny niebieski kolor na jaśniejszy niebieski 😃 ?
Ponieważ przyszedł prototyp części pomalowanych proszkowo więc go zamontowałem :)
Use a plastic shower curtain rod cover which has a slit in it .cut the proper length for the ball Screw. slip it over the ball screw through the slit and just let it hang there . there's your dust cover
How would the telescoping work?
@@TheRainHarvester Carson telescope there's a slit in the whole tube
open slit, slip it onto the rod and take it off when you want
Folię PVC spokojnie kupisz w necie w małych formatach np 1000x700mm. Możesz znaleźć nieco sztywniejszą, niż ta, której zdajesz się używać.
You've got a hell of a career as an engineer ahead of you. I don't know if you're going electrical or mechanical but either one will suit you well.
You can try PP that is very chimical rezistent, in leroy merlin they sell it in large sheets, also cut them in diagonal :)
That was a pretty funny video! And really like that you're experimenting with your content!
This was awesome 😬
hello Nikodem !!!! could you make the same project for the Dremel too ??? Thank you!!!!
Haha! XD
Wonderful Idea !!!
It made a long Time I'm looking for a solution , thanks !!
You need a merch store. I want an Indystry propellor cap dammit!
masz akcent polaka :)
Noodles
I thought the format on this one was awesome! Definitely a nice change of pace.
This is very cool idea!
But don't use air pressure to clean!
Yup, use a vacuum instead. Blasting it with an air gun will just drive the dust in