Love this guy. I did Wing Chun myself for a long time, then boxing. I felt like boxing taught me more about WC than the WC classes themselves did, purely because of sparring. I think most WC practitioners are too stuck on theory, and end up turning it into a weird Tai Chi alternative. There's certain parts of WC that work so well when used within the framework of other martial arts that I think it's bad for the art to be teaching it within that bubble.
The problem I see is that many WC students have never been in a fight and they practice against other rookie WC students. Too many get caught up in the hand movements and forget the footwork. Just like some Tae Kwon Do fighters, it is easy to train yourself to hesitate after the first contact. Boxing and wrestling teach to keep going until you're stopped by your opponent or the referee. WC as I was taught has the same punches as western boxing; hooks, jabs, straight rights and lefts, upper cuts, etc. Too many rookies get caught up in the chain punching drills. The footwork was the hardest for me to learn, partially because I had to switch to a dominant hand forward after years of practicing boxing with the non-dominant hand forward. The step/slide footwork in all directions to get offline and the 'Z" step to enter bilaterally (I don't know the Chinese name for it) were way different than the bobbing and weaving of boxing. Sinking your weight and rotating the hips for more power are basic moves for both WC and boxing. I've used WC in sparring and fighting against both grapplers and boxers and some with both skill sets. In real fights I never really used chain punching once I got in close with a bong sau or a pak sau. The school I went to concentrated on a lot of grip strength and power punching. I believe that the basic WC stance is very effective against a boxer if you're patient. My Sifu showed us the similarities between the WC stance and the old time bare fisted pugilist stance used by guys like Jack Dempsey. He used a vertical fist by the way. His grandson, whom I met in the Navy, was medium sized but could hit harder than anyone I ever saw. He was dropped from a BUDs class and ended up getting in trouble for beating up ten Shore Patrolman on a hotel balcony. He was a good kid but some career mistakes are hard to make up for. On that narrow walkway their numbers did not count for naught. Good thing he wasn't drinking tequila!
I kinda feel the same. I started in Northern Shaolin, than I went Muay Thai. I had never spar in Kung Fu, I sparred in Muay Thai in the second day, I realised that I almost didn't know what to do. But in a few time in Muay Thai, it seems that what I learned in Kung Fu was really good and I evolved quickly, I just didn't know how to use it, because of the lack of sparring.
+Rajah Brown no. Muay tai is a brawl go all out. wing chung is a more relaxed for of fighting. He says it in the video but contradicts it by the teaching to be more offensive. Also like he said it all depends on the fighter him/herself. On top of that, everyone has there own style.
@@sonbuibuison12 You understand he very wrong, he means that u should learn to fight not in a specific, but in all manners, too be more ready when the fight commes
Get grabbed by a high school wrestler and yall are going for a ride. Graduated from University of Salford. My high school friend came to visit and got shat on for being American at a night out in Manchester city center. The other dude’s night ended pretty quick. Ours too after cuz we didn’t wanna get stabbed.
@Liposuccc Fighting is all about YOU. YOU cant comprehend the unpredictable in real life situations. Your size, strength, speed ,ability, whatever, it's still YOU. You choose if you engage or not. You choose to defeat yourself or not. YOU dont know what real fighting is. YOU dont know what real violence is. And if YOU mess with the wrong one(s), your little training wont save your sorry butt one bit
He does have a point though. Many grapplers and boxers are used to full contact sparring. While traditional martial arts can be too fixated on katas or form especially if the teacher is pushing it down on the students. So when it comes to full contact sparring, the students do experience some problems on not knowing on how to react.
Training is just preparation. Sparring is warming up. Real fighting is where you earn your keep. Fighting often builds experience. I will always put my money on a professional fighter over a martial arts "practitioner". Everything else is theoretical. You have to test your skill set in the crucible of combat. You have to get down in trenches in order to progress as a fighter. There's no way around it.
Which goes back to my first point, you have to fight in order to test what you have learned. Look at it this way, even a professional fighter be it in boxing or mma; lacks experience when making their debut. It takes a few years of real fighting to hone your skills and maximize your full potential.
What a coincidence I practiced tiger kung fu for 4 years and I then practiced kick boxing for 2 months. I feel sad for my wasted 4 years,I never even had one simple sparring. Everything was predetermined. If your opponent do this,then you counter with this and blablabla so theoritical. In reality you only learn with practice and your reflexes. And there's no way you can train your reflexes without sparring. Don't waste your time with pointless bullshit like I did. And something else why would I need to fight like a tiger when I'm human. Imagine a tiger trying to learn kick boxing which is more near to human anatomy, wouldn't that be ridiculous?
Wing chun can be really really effective if Practiced with resistance and sparring/paired with mma look at Anderson Silva “Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”
Oh yea that's the best idea man. I do the same. I even got a subscription for Amazon green, so they can deliver my groceries to the doorsteps. N got the hookers n dealers on my speed dial so I don't ever have to leave home. Isn't technology great?
John Smith It's great being a shut-in. Who needs to defend themselves from attacks when you are in the comfort of your home. Wait.. I may need to upgrade my security system..
ah the ancient Vietnamese legend? Master of the micro tiger, slippery fish style. crouching tiger hidden dragon was actually based on a Poon Tang legend that occurred on a full moon (euphemism for period)?
I love your approach to Wing Chun! There are concepts and principles that can be applied to various other disciplines. There are specific techniques that come from Wing Chun and I like to apply those and concepts from other disciplines that work with my build to neutralize threats.
First 2 minutes of the video contradicts the title, and the rest of the video is just another instructor believing his form of Martial Art is better, which is another contradiction.
any martial can work it's up to how well someone can imply their craft. people said karate can't work in mma but gsp and lyota machida are black belts that work it good.
True... A number of fighters have employed karate now in MMA. Unfortunately, even the great Anderson Silva could not get that trapping stuff to work for him...
Quayshawn Dameron Martials Arts are at a guide for contact. How fighters approach their end game is a different thing. Some martial artists end applying self-discover techniques that are ironically thought in other styles without realizing it. So like this guy said in a real fight it all depends on the fighter. The more related you are with different style of fighting the more openings you will be able to see against your opponent mainly because you have been there before and have a few ideas how to counter it; or because you are experienced enough to come up with your in-combat fresh ideas. Not every pro-boxer or Wing Chu master is a grand master. To reach a higher level of expression of a martial arts you need to expand your knowledge way beyond what was thought to you. Kung fu, Western Martial arts, etc.. are suppose to be self evolving.
Jowey de la Nota that basically what I'm getting at u just said it in a couple paragraphs. How one applies their craft is everything is the exact same thing u described which is what I said. I've practiced in judo, Brazilian jiu jutsu, guerrilla jiu jutsu (which is basically the combination of the two) while in Japan and mauy Thai and boxing in the states. Love everything about them but the difference in pratictioners always will be how they apply it. Not who's practice more or faster but who can execute what they want to do. People on here tend to think certain types of martial arts suck and it's just not the case that what I'm getting at.
Great video, agree 100%. Took Wing Chun for 8 years, spent MAYBE at most 10% of that time in actual contact sparring. Servied in the US Army Infantry, you are right, during real actual fights, i fell back on a kick boxing style that I had less than a year experience in, I didn't realize why until just now. Wing Chun turned into more of a "class room" theoretical thing only, because I had never applied it to a real fight, where as the kick boxing we learned in training- my brain categorized it as 'the thing' to do in a real fight. Makes me a bit sad, had a learned to apply Wing Chun to a real fight, the results could have been far faster and safer for myself and my soldiers. Thank you for this insight.
Hi! however WC is a mental state also, so WC probably taught you a lot of things to become the person who you got to be today :) , but the truth is, kickboxing is a lot more direct and brutal.
Your right .. I taught my 7 year old wingchun .. its HYPER Aggressive with Every movement ending on as strike. He's 17 hes Never lost a fight EVER. You don't have to Make Wingchun work. You have to FIGHT with Wingchun. Its Is NOT Theory. ITs reality. Please Teach Wingchun Responsibly. Teach your students to fight. Not simply rules to make your pockets bigger. Center line= protect organs and parts that can take you out in one shot. NOT = lean back as far as you can and hope you don't get hit in the chin.. A great teacher is SIFU Steve Lee Swift. SIFU Jack Roberts they don't just teach you the movements but how to use the movements. Wing Chun is NOT an Easy style to learn. Simple does not mean easy.Example WingChun is like taking 1st grade to college years of math and condensing it to 3 yearsThen forcing you to use that knowledge in an effective and efficient way. Unlike many martial arts.. You can practice WingChun for a lifetime and still suck.You have to not only grasp the meanings and concepts but also apply them not only according to how they are meant to be applied to but to also mold them into the fight according to the person or persons your are fighting. Tan sau is simple until there's a fast jab. But as the jab comes in step forward and turn with tan da be sure to hit the temple or the neck use the entire body, the turning motion, snap at the end of the punch then follow through immediately with chain punches to the same spot that was hit moving quickly into the person giving little to no time to turn around from the REAL Punches (not baby tap chain punches) that they are receving. don't let up. don't back up. move forward fast. punch fast. dominate and finish your opponent fast. In this situation the jab is no match for the tan sauThis is one of the first movements taught in sil lim tau. = TAN DA + Lap DA+ Chain PunchesNo mercy is shown This is a far cry from the stories of "martial for great health" Its brings me great joy to hear a grappler speak of how he can take me to the ground. As if a Wing Chun Fighter will be standing there while he extends his hands and neck to grab a legWill meet a barrage of punches and strikes to your head and neck with no way to defend yourselfI will call 911 for you This is not just talk but from experience. A martial art is only as good as its practionerA martial arts practioner is only as good as his understanding of the artA martial artist understanding is only as good as the TeacherWingchun techniques are as limited as the Sifu who explains them but every Sifu has a reason why he limits the knowledge a student. Don't be judgmental.Be Wingchun fighters.
First wing chun video where common sense was actually said. "Real fighting today is either ambush or its too fast to react properly to." It's chaotic. I like how he at least takes an aggressive approach to wing chun. Although my money is still on the boxer or wrestler or muy Tai practitioner because they train in that chaos constantly through full contact sparring. You'll never be prepared for a fight if you never train with fighting. You need to know what it feels like to get hit, to feel in danger, to be disoriented, and overcome actual pain.
the face you make when your master speaks for hours and hours and you as a demonstration puppet just stand there. and the moment its a go, he remembers another thing to tell
I study Historic European Martial Arts and its interesting how the concept of aggressive energy and seizing and maintaining initiative are the same. Thanks for a great video!
What arts are they as I’d like to research them. I believe most defence methods that work today were used in the battlefield long ago like Muay Thai old style
I respect this dudes wisdom and he’s telling the truth. This is why a lot of martial artists are getting there ass whooped . Teachers don’t either know the diff or there not telling the students there style is more for tournaments or ring style fighting not street... you have to learn exactly what he’s saying about application, you can’t be cuddled in learning this type of stuff. I’ve personally done over 15yrs of diff martial arts and I know now which schools are fake and just trying to get your money and it’s a shame. Martial arts was made for many reasons and 1 main one was for war ,so they where trained hard to persevere over there opponents. Great video.
Position!!!! That's the magic word! I'm glad you mention that here. It's the primary thing that is missing and why so many of those challenges seen on youtube where wing chun students are getting, for the most part, beaten up, is because they do not really comprehend that they should not be throwing a punch from across the room! Closing the gap to get to the correct distance to throw a strike in the first place is at least 50% of the effectiveness of this art, and it takes some real bravery to do it in a real scrap!
why is this argument still ongoing? it's simple. use any technique that works for you and your own body type. become proficient at it. and quit knocking others for there own systems. are there useless techniques. of course. probably more useless practitioners though. what seems to get forgot in all these videos are the parameters. in real life there's one rule. survive. I don't care how u do it. just do it.
This is such a bullshit cop-out. Reality has shown us time and time again that there are certain techniques, certain training methodologies, certain cultures, and yes, certain *styles* that overwhelmingly produce better results than others. Fighting is not purely subjective. It isn't "just choose whatever you like" because so, so many choose methods that are ineffective and dangerously inadequate without knowing it. I've seen enough Wing Chun to know its practitioners have a dangerous habit of living their hands low and their chin up, claiming "it works for me" only to get KOed the first time they spare against a competent boxer. Those are the lucky ones. If they learned that lesson in an actual self-defense situation, the results could be fatal.
+Micky Morton :D. Good conversation:D. I think quite many of Master Wong's teaches are realistic. I like his method how he explains the things. And he wants to adapt wing chun into 21st century which is essential. I am not a wing chun guy but can say that I am quite an experienced guy in martial arts, fighting sports. Of course this is just my opinion.
Very good lessons. You are doing folks a service, especially when discussing NOT dissipating energy, but staying in a range to get hit. Getting hit IS part of learning and communication, and any teacher who never gets hit, is lying, cheating, or working below levels he or she NEEDS to improve their own skills. Good job.
"They have beautiful forms, beautiful katas, and then they all kickbox..." This is so true! I am so tired of people studying an art, but for various reasons (laziness, inability to comprehend techniques, inability/unwillingness to adopt style's philosophy, etc.) don't actually use their style when sparring or fighting [Note: this is also sometimes at cause to bad teachers]. Every [martial art] vs. [martial art] video I've ever seen involved at least one of the fighters taking a vaguely traditional stance and then trying to kickbox (a style that they never learned so, not surprisingly, they suck at it). I know you say you piss off a lot of people with your videos, but I greatly appreciate you taking a hard look at the culture of martial arts today, which has too many people focused on the wrong concepts (i.e. which arts are better).
That can be said of any style of hand to hand combat if the person is stuck within the confines of style without flexibility. It's why the best fighter combines & stays flexible instead of dogmatic & ridged.
I watched this video back than when I started with WC. It's interesting, years later I agree with everything you say but with nothing you actually "do". I don't see chi sao as sparring at all and would not recommend anyone to do it, because it's the least effective method of sparring there probably is. I learned more in a year of casual sparring than with 4 intense years of chi sao sparring. But these are the best things I learned from wing chun - creating openings when there isn't one and an awesome interceptive upper body defense, tan-sao, pack-sau, lap-sao and cham-sao are all you need from wing chun.
you're kind of half-right for the decline of fighting. problems are no longer solved by a good brawl, and most people are actually afraid of fighting, but agressions and attacks are still there. ive practiced tkd and muay thai for a while, and im confident with my fighting skills, because i not only learned the sport, but also the self defense technique. im sure wing chun has his application, but i feel like you need your opponent to play your game for it to actually work. then again ive never done wing chun. what im saying is in a fight, id keep a good distance and kick your mid section and legs, and using my fists to punch you back if i need.
THANK U SO MUCH..I'M 6 MONTHS new to Wing chung,I take at a fighting school in Almambra CA..we push foward to the figth.... I hav no interest in learning hippie wing chung... I want to figth and learn to use wing chung in the street... u are an honest and clear voice for comon sense and the funktional use of wing chung in the streets .... thankx so much. ...keep it coming....
Dominick, I appreciate you for not being afraid to apply your critical approach to the problem. What you've shared really makes sense to me. Go forward, please. I think your approach will help other people better understand the meaning of wing-chun and draw their attention to kung fu (because it is quite similar at some points).
I disagree with your position on attacking. Against an average fighter pushing him back should do the job but against a fighter who understand real fighting putting yourself in the offensive position leaves yourself open to counters in a real-fight scenario. Let's forget style for a second and what trully matters in a real fight: control. Regardless of who you are fighting you want to keep your opponent within the limitation of what you can do and minimize the risks of your weakness getting expose too soon. Attacking a real fighter who understand the ABCs of defense immediately would put you in a disadvantage if you gave away your speed, length, strength because a smart fighter will adapt to your limitations and act on it to eventually push back. That's why mastering defense first is so important. Knowing that you are capable of defending against anything throw at you will elevate your confidence and at some point you will start seeing opening that weren't there before. Attacking will only works against opponent who do not possess a real understanding of defense. Another thing is that I would recommend learning Boxing and Wing Chu at the same time. Both style compliment each other when you trully fuse them to the Tee and gives you a wider array of openings that weren't there before. Plus is always good to have a basic understanding of grappling martial arts so you learn how to get yourself out of tight situations. Kicks are great but real footwork in an open or close space should keep outside the reach of bone breaking kicks.
yeah, and boxes is a sport. Thats the problem. Real life fight have kicks, and ground fight aswell as eye hits and anything other. Bruce lee said it himself. Karate and other mma sport are bound to rule of a fight, then it can not be a real fight.
Jowey de la Nota when you get this close to your opponent you should attack or break for distance, fighting is chaotic, no matter how good your "kungfu" is, how well you have perfected your kata, how mechanically refined your system is, you can always get overwhelmed. i litterally, practice train and teach people to kick like this. we don't throw up our hands and have a little boxing match as an oppening, we run, jump up and just go at it, why have limited tools? limited moves. why control what ultimately can't be controlled, even punching, with so many moves and possabilities at that range, it is only a matter of time before a skilled opponent sets you up with something. the same issuse with duelists aswell, kickboxers don't do bad in a street fight, but it is adapting to the chaos and the environment, where they fall short. also kicks have no minimum rage, i am always forced to choose between them and puntches. because i can always think of an angle, some opponents are too slippery to force into any one place.
Starts off video saying it's not about fighting style versus fighting style, it's about the fighter versus fighter. The title says wing chun can't beat boxing. 🤔
You're missing the point. Boxing also can't beat wing chun. Wrestling can't beat boxing, boxing can't beat wrestling. Muay thai can't beat BJJ, I can go on and on.
to others that dont agree the honor is built while learning, but wing chun is ALL about combat. The honor comes from your own conviction. Great teaching and fundamentals.
From what was said at the 1:40 mark does it stand to reason that wing chun involves the use of firearms since that "could" de-escalate a hostile situation?
+dyenamic1 wing chun is great..I've practiced for around 22 years(2nd generation yip chun) and also trained jiu jitsu to dan grade(which I loved)as well as other arts. I can't be asked to watch all of this thing again but did see thr first few seconds again..his locked arms..lifting stance and over reaching to make a contact on a compliant dummy opponent is utter garbage. it's idiots like this that destroy the credibility of wing chun unfortunately.
+dyenamic1 it's just upsetting that people do see this as being representative of wing chun. I agree that wing chun in almost all schools practice little or no real grappling and like all martial arts it has other arts which show it as weaker and/or stronger than them. rock paper scissors effect really. ultimately it's the man and not the art itself that makes the difference and this man is cak.
+dyenamic1 Dominic izzo. . he actually believes his own hype. rates people like 52 blocks and has likely never touched arms with anyone of any skill. some ginger dude tried debunking wing chun a few years ago and showed this guy up. Danny something, I don't remember his name properly. ..anyway..this guy really thinks he's ok..anyways said for obvious reasons. .he's not. but he had a lot of followers so he's doing something right. unfortunately it isn't wing chun. Take care matey...nice to discuss with you, sincerely.
You make sense on the range and I think that's where many wing Chun guys are lacking. My other question is a fight can be: infighting, long range, clinch, etc.. so how does wing Chun prepare for multiple situations?
I think this Gentleman is on the right track, he is pointing out the reality of fighting in general and basically wanting the practitioner to get maximum results from practice. It is important to preserve the art in its original form but as we evolve so should the teaching and training methods, we must adapt to present day, it is very important so students are not getting a false understanding. Train Hard, Exercise even Harder, Rise above Shit mentality... you should never have to even face a fight. Great Video Mate! 👍
What this man is trying to tell us people out there training Wing Chun same thing Yip Man said don't get fancy. If you're not about that fighting life don't think that Wing Chun is just going to automatically save your ass or that you can just get drunk and go out and use it. Wing Chun will only work when IT HAS TO WORK and only if you train and train hard.. be relaxed but dont let your opponent take control like bruce lee said "when my opponent contracts, I expand. When my opponent expands I contract, and when it has an opportunity I don't hit it hits all by itself" fast and hard but relaxed.
Comparing one range to another and calling one or another superior shows a lack of true understanding. A boxer, is only effective if he can keep the fight within punching range. A wrestler is only effective if he can get the fight to the ground. No range is superior and is only part of the whole.
Tyler Durden You are making assumptions and those can get you killed. I know guys who are amazing trappers, that can easily move from range to range. Don't think because you have seen bad trappers that there are no good ones out there. The main idea, is not to be stuck in only one range, that is foolish.
Tyler Durden depends on the style though, leung tings style is very rigid and, as u say, like a dalek, however, wan kam leungs stance is more like an mma stance, because it works really well, to me, its all about the fighter, not the style, for example, u find faults in WC, yet there's reports that ip mans top student wong shun leung had shut down martial clubs after he would walk in off the street and offer the teacher a fight, when the teacher lost, his students lost respect for him, and that was using the 'dalek' stance WC! but all martial arts have their merits
JKDROB agreed. I hate when idiots make statements like this. As if martial art styles are really completely black and white, and isn't dependent on the user at all.
I like when people are completely honest and real. I am a Brazilian Jiujitsu practitioner, I have done other arts but I stuck to BJJ and Krav Maga. I wish I had come across to a Wing Chun like you so I would stick to WC as my third one.
I love this! I studied Wing Chun back in the late 80s early 90s it was my original combat base, as I moved on to boxing, kickboxing, Juijitsu and eventually MMA. I used all of Wing Chuns principles coming up sparring sometimes with great success sometimes not so much. Something that is impeding the tactical application of Wing Chun, is that it's hard to go full contact with Wing Chun's strikes to the neck and eye pokes . If you can't pad up and safely practice your self defense/ combat skills full contact, it's going to take a lot longer to develop and may never become second nature. What you said at the end about people with combat sport expertise being better at wing chun, makes a lot of sense. Because traditional martial arts IMO are advanced techniques! I'll bet Anderson Silva, or someone like Connor McGregor could easily pull off some wing chun in a fight. Thanks for posting
doesnt take longer to learn them.. u just need to be taught em correctly,.. also this is why we use wood dummy and other training tools.. the dummy's neck doesnt break so easy, and if it does, we get another bit of wood to hit, japanese have used this too for many years, works for them works for me,.. im still alive, great stuff
Why Wing Chun cannot handle boxers or wrestlers ... I placed the same trolling comments on Silat and Shaolin videos, which made them very unhappy. Why Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi cannot handle actual fighting. Because in the ring and on the street, everything devolves in muay thai where only judo and karate have some contribution. All these Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi dancing around - all those elegant choreography are found only in MOVIES, but can NEVER be executed in street or ring fighting. All Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, etc do is to increase your resiliency and train your reflexes, but look at any fight you would notice that their moves and CHOREOGRAPHY can never be executed because everything just melts and dissolves in muay thai.
Cynthia Avishegnath I don't know what your talking about I fight my Muay Boran friend using Chen Taiji all the time. And your overused comment about not seeing it used in the ring is stupid. Someone who truly possesses the mindset of a daoist/Buddhist master don't go out of their way to prove themselves by beating someone into the ground the hyper yang western mindset has a difficult time grasping the concept that just because you can be famous for violence doesn't mean you should. Most martial artists and usually the best ones are the ones who choose to not compete.
All of them say, "yeah we don't know what ya talking about. My brand helps me fight better. My brand promotes peace. My brand trains me not be killer." But what I wrote is Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, whatnots, all devolve into muai thai (or is it called mai tai). I as the "uneducated" observer, all I observe from all these fighters,, I can't differentiate them muay thai. They don't pass the reverse-turing test - that is as an ordinary citizen of the streets and youtube, I cannot differentiate Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, whatnots from muay thai. All these branded martial arts do is to increase your resiliency and train your reflexes, but their CHOREOGRAPHY can never be executed because everything just melts and dissolves in muay thai. When you "fight" with your friend in the STUDIO, or were you practicing your choreography. Because it is not in the RING or on the STREET, where they come at you with anything or everything and you have no choice but respond like a good old MUAY THAI. All you people are executing (WHATEVER you wanna say your brand is), is POMT - Plain Old Muay Thai. Be angry, hungry or thirsty, you are ultimately muay thai. MUAY THAI.
Best Wing Chun instructors are the ones who had or been in professions where they face violent people. A Marine I served with studied Wing Chun along with Judo and Taekwando. He worked as a bouncer for a few years. He became a Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor later on. Loved learning from this guy. He knows whats up, especially knowing the importance of range, timing and leverage. Sparring really help you with gauging this.
This guy is completely right about almost everything. Haven't heard anyone really state the difference between sport fighting and real fighting before. Applause
Yeah, but it's not quite the point. You could rewrite that sentence and substitute "tai chi" or "bagua" or "praying mantis" or "white crane" or "silat" or "eskrima" for "Wing Chun", couldn't you? But do you really think that when martial arts masters of the pre-sport days, say 120-250 years ago, put their lives into their skills, that they weren't putting their reputations and their lives on the line - understanding that they really had to be able to use White Crane or whatever to defend themselves against a challenge from a visiting boxer? These street-tested arts work (or at least they used to when done well enough). MMA is a particular kind of animal, and admittedly a great and important development. But is it about handling a three-man attack in a bar, or a mugger with a knife, or all sorts of things which can interfere with a nice clean "self defence" situation? Have you ever met, say, a Filipino eskrimador who grew up knowing that he had to be prepared to handle anyone who wanted to bring him down? But if they haven't been in a cage fight, do you think this means that they or their students can't be learning some vital and perfectly effective skills? I don't really "get" taichi, but there have been full-contact taichi championships in the east. I don't think a lot of karate, and you could say "who cares about those artificial kata they practice", but I once had an instructor who took out three attackers in the street, with moves from kata. But "I'm still waiting for a single karate success story in cage fighting" [that hasn't been enhanced/filtered through kickboxing/Muay Thai/whatever]. The guy in this video has a lot of experience and understanding and knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. And if you want self defence, and you don't like kickboxing or grappling or whatever, Wing Chun might suit you perfectly. And it won't teach you rubbish, even if you end up modifying it or adding to it or going off to another martial art.
in wing chun you are taught how to end fights where there are no rules. eye gouges, hits to the throat and such. These are not really allowed in MMA so how can you see anyone do wing chun there?
It seems in this opinion, you don't know much about wing tsun... The wing tsun it wasn't invented for sport, it was made for war, and the enemy "can do dirty techniques" too, but there are a difference...
Nice to see a fresh outlook on Wing Chun. So many get imprisoned with tradition that they forget the real tradition is to become better at fighting...not promote an art
All fighting forms have an arts and practical real world fighting aspect. Some are becoming more arts because they are less able to compete over time in their fighting aspect , just the effect of open market forces at work in the modern world
I like this guy...he's got a realistic approach to Martial arts... Too many teachers get caught up in teaching their students real nice choreography but not prepare them for real world attacks ... "You have to spar(fight) in order to learn" !
Sorry bro, I'll stick to my basics of Muay Thai. Even basic boxing punches have helped me. This looks like it'll take me years to drill. I got a life to live, Looks cool though.
In all honesty WIng Chun is a very simple fight style in the drilling aspect, it requires very little body conditioning like Muay Thai and focuses on real application through your whole life, it focuses on body mechanics that can be used even in old age unlike boxing (Try throwing a devastating right hook at 70). Now, in no way am i saying that boxing or Muay Thai are not skillful or effective, but in a group attack I would go for Wing Chun over boxing and Muay Thai, as you don't really have time to jab and wear down your opponents. This is purely based on advantages and disadvantages (I have trained in Boxing and Mauy Thai and focusing on Wing Chun now).
+Tomáš Bartoš Mike made a very valid point, MT and Boxing take their toll on your joints, especially wrists and knees. I won't be able to train the same way I do now at the age of 50 or 60, my bones and joints would not be able to handle it. Even at this young age, I have take days off sometimes when I train/spar hard, to let my body recover. My initial comment is still valid cause MT and Boxing are easier to master than an art like WC. But in the same breath, WC doesn't take such a toll on your body as the others do. Guess it boils down to different strokes for different folks. In all honesty, I'd love to be able to kick ass like Donnie Yen does in the Yip Man movies😂
good point.I feel like because boxing and muay thai focus more on generating maximum impact force than on actually delivering said force consistently, its easier to master. You can feel the power behind your strikes so its easier to correct your techniques and thus slightly easier to master. But with wing chun, because the blows are more about sensitivity, consistency and structure rather than generating maximum force so its harder to pick up on the nuances and reach mastery. At earlier levels they are all easy to pick up but when reaching mastery the same does not hold.
Dominick Izzo, I have to to state, that what you keep talking in your videos and on your channel is good stuff, but your wing chun in a technical way is really horrible...
+Nikolaij Brouiller I have to disagree. Look at fencing, the lines and everything represent the ideal, and deviation from the ideal equates to advantage to the other guy, and often immediately loss or death in real life. That is high speed stuff, very precise, very concept oriented, and while you may win with sloppy technique vs an inexperienced person who is beginning to learn how to dance, an expert who adhere's to the ideal and made those techniques his own (not merely mimicking them, but understanding them well enough that they are "his," even if they mirror the ideal he was taught), will own the guy with the lesser technique that deviates from the ideal. My take on you and Izzo, yes it may work on the surface in your contextual environments or your understanding, but never forget the ideal and explore the point of view from there. Why the soft? To sense deviation from the line and attack. You still need to be able to bring it and issue damage with that soft, otherwise your WC is just tappity garbage. The problem (among many) is people stay there instead of attacking. They stick for the sake of sticking. You really don't want to stick. You want to hit. The idea that WC people are focused on their arms and that BJJ guys understand their bodies "better" is a rather limited and subjective opinion. I respect that opinion however for what it is. A lot of what Izzo says is true, but he contradicts himself as well when discussing history. History, the non-biased youtube flavored variants internet deviants base their entire understanding on, demonstrates this idea to be an unfortunate fabrication. BJJ guys may understand a rougher version of chi-sao with a lot of aggressive energy, but it is not fine tuned and many of them (at least to me) seem to have horrible balance and love the floor too much for their own good. The fight can end very quickly without ever having gone to the ground. Fights have ended very quickly without having gone to the ground. Just because someone wants to take it to the ground DOES NOT MEAN it will go to the ground. True combat has demonstrated that, and hell even MMA has demonstrated that. I do not understand why in spite of this people choose to believe that all fights end on the ground. If BOTH fighters resign themselves or want it to go to the ground, then it will. I believe that to be a fact.
+Wladimir Illischkowitsch Lenin Your impression is skewed my friend.. he is also completely full of shit. Now if he talked about the cultural merit and self defense applications that are totally workable, without holding his art up to the arts of people that cry blood in the ring every night, I'd be okay with it...
I honestly don't understand how people compare fighting styles and get on war in comment section. A person who is really good with his/her feet will always try to stand on ground and kick their opponent and a person good with his/her grappling skills will always try to take their opponent to the ground and grapple them. It's the individuals' skill that determines what happens in that scenario. When he/she knows their weakness, they'll try hard to avoid that. I believe that's how self defense works. Like you said, to each his mom's pasta or lasagna is the best. But when he/she grows up and learns to cook some delicious foreign cuisine, he/she must be open to the idea of giving it a try and maybe even sharing the recipe with his/her mom. :) I really enjoyed this video. Kudos...
if you don't understand your tools you can't use it. if you can't explain it to a 6 year old you can't use it. Chi sau teaches you hand/arm positions. double in, double out, offset left and offset right. not hard to see. people complicate simple ideas.
I love your channel and I agree with everything you saying especially on sparring ! IF you train martial arts and not sparring then what your training is useless. I used to do Kenpo karate and it was useless because we would do drills but no sparring ! Know I boxe and I spare every time I train !
I trained Wing chun with Grandmaster Henry Cook in Louisville Kentucky. He was a cop many years ago as well. We sparred all the time and we got hit. If you never been hit you might not know how to handle it in a real situation. Great channel!
Hey Dominick, tremendous content! A subscriber from India here. Love the channel :) I recently started training in Wing-Chun which is my first 'formal' training in a fight system. Been around a month or so. And today, after the class ie. the drills etc.. me and my mates were discussing how to make the learning 'applicative'. This came since I was feeling lost here.. and was slipping towards seeing the art more as a 'formal' training system.. as I couldn't make sense of how to apply the formal learning in a real-life situation. Then a friend who has been doing it since a few months, sparred with me.. where he asked me to respond to some typical confrontations on street.. and then I could see the context back.. where the drills would make sense for me. Luckily, we have planned to do sparringly regularly now onwards. Hoping this goes well!
Katas are money makers. They are important, but if you do not spar you will never know how to learn about timing the importance of your conditioning, or what type of fighter you are. Alot of martial arts school push kata and less sparing to keep people from leaving. If you do not spar shouldn't get a black belt period.
sorry mate but you have no clue of what JKD is. What you say at 5.50 about JKD is totally unaqurate. I sugest you read the Tao of JKD and you will see that one of Bruce Lee principles was that "theres no better defense that a good atack"
Yes, he took that from wing chun and took other things from other arts too, boxing fencing, kali, etc. Wing chun its a great art, but its not the supreme art. If you say or imply that, you are being dogmatic (which is something bad if your focus is to be adaptable). We should not be discussing ARTS but techniques and how to apply them in real or sport context. "Its not the art its the practitioner". I sujest you watch some Paul Vunak videos and you will see what is in my opinion the essence of JKD, which are also some Wing chun principles, simple, efficient, Direct, sincere.
As a practitioner of Wing Chun and Martial Arts for 16 years, and through all my learning and training I have come to one conclusion: "There is no superior Martial Art, only a superior Martial Artist." - Sifu Sunny Tang Debates about different styles etc. is pointless. Ive seen people with 0 formal training of any sort destroy three black-belt leveled attackers at once. Why you might ask? All he does is fight, relying on nothing but his intellect and actual combat experience. But he's a fighter at the end of the day. Fighters are not Martial Artists. Anyone can learn how to fight. If an individuals aim in training Martial Arts is to be more superior than anyone else, than in my humble opinion that practitioners philosophy is flawed. This is why modern day MMA is considered a sport and the competitors are fighters, not martial artists. Adapting to different styles is why Bruce Lee was able to even create JKD. It's because he trained Wing Chun soo fluently that it became a part of him. Through actual tested experience with Wing Chun he was able to see; in his opinion, ares where his art was ridged and need to be more like water and change slightly. Without realizing it Bruce Lee created a form of modern day MMA. Implementing what he learned and adapting it to his from of Wing Chun. This is what a true Martial Artist is in my opinion. Always training/learning/improving/adapting/adopting etc. "Be like Water." Sifu was absolutely right...RIP
Lol. I can see from your response that it's truly YOU my friend who really knows nothing. Do you even know who Sunny Tang is? My Sifu has never trained Karate in his life, only Chinese Gung Fu. And he lived on the same street as Ip Man in China. His Sifu was Sifu Yip Chun. Ip Man's son. Do you even know what the Ip Chun Wing Chun Kuen Martial Arts Association is? LMFAO Bruh...you clearly don't know jack shit about Wing Chun. But it doesn't really matter, I have nothing to prove to someone the likes of you, who clearly has limited understanding of what Martial Arts really is, let alone anything else. Sorry bruh, dun bother trying with a comeback...I won't respond.
Why does Wing Chun punch to the chest? 2 reasons. How many times do you want to get punched in the face bare knuckles in training? Not many. But you can handle punches to the chest. And as Sifo Izzo says, you want to practice punching with contact, not punching the air or pulling your punch. Some good nuggets in this video. Much respect!
I mean, why not try to learn as much as you can :) For example in my trainer is pretty much schooled in almost all kinds of Martial Arts so we just do everything. I am not training since a long time but I think this is pretty good.
WolfLPer Exactly, that's a great approach. It's a lifetime study also. I started off with Kajukenbo, which is a mix of several different arts (I like to call it the original MMA). We just trained in my sensei's garage. It was pretty raw, but also a family atmosphere. From there I studied other things like Capoeira and Tai Chi but really, my love is for Martial Arts as a whole. I love the culture of discipline and respect. It's cool if you find one style you like such as Wing Chun, but videos like this (why one style doesn't work etc.) are pretty useless in my opinion.
Most boxers, kickboxers, and MMA practitioners were drawn to their style's effectiveness in actual fights. Most traditional martial artists were drawn to their style's effectiveness in movies and video games.
Beautifully said! A lot of people don't know this but Ip Man didn't adore Bruce Lee and as a result Lee never finished his WC training(Ip Man refused to continue). He was kind of forced to make Jeet Kune Do in a way. I kind of enjoy all of the various kung fu for what it is, the pure history and tradition that thousands of Chinese lived by.
3:25 you know what you are doing, but Wing Chun is not about beating people up or winning, it's about honor and control, you speak like you are reeady to pound someone
Sorry but whatever you say i agree with @8Bit Brozos , you seemed more about wrecking your opponent than preserving your wellbeing which ISNT wing chun.
Sorry sir (Izzo), but you're wrong. I recommend you to read more about Wing Chun and in a deeply way... like reading his origins, reading about Yip Man/ Ip Man (his story, philosophy, watching all his movies if you want to), reading about his students too (Not only Bruce Lee of course... read about Wong Shun Leung for example). Wing Chun is more about to improve one's health (Physically and Mentally)... No offense...
Great video. I would add that the decline of real martial arts started in the 1940s with the advent of the semi-automatic assault rifle which forever changed modern combat. The word martial literally means "pertaining to war," and until WWII hand-to-hand combat was still essentially used in combat. Modern 20th-21st Century weapons technology has become so advanced that it is highly unlikely to soldiers will use melee combat, and even if they did, it'd be even less likely that they would be unarmed (because remember that even an unloaded gun can still be used as a weapon, e.g. rifle-clubbing, pistol whipping etc.), and many soldiers also carry knives. The way that modern soldiers are trained has also massively changed since the late 20th Century. Both World Wars, Korea and Vietnam were fought with amateur enlisted or conscripted soldiers (e.g. J.R.R. Tolkien, Elvish Presley etc.). Nowadays battles are fought with _professional_ career soldiers. Superior training and ever improving technology makes modern soldiers more efficient than they ever have been in any other point in history. We even have unmanned drones that can perform reconnaissance or even deliver strikes. Some countries even have fully automated robot drones which are programmed and authorised to open fire on enemy combatants without human command (most Western countries don't use this technology for moral/ethical reasons as we believe that the decision to take another human life shouldn't be decided by machines; but other countries don't share this reservation and are already implementing this tech). Traditional martial arts evolved right up until WWII because they kept on being used on refined in the mother of all testing grounds for martial arts - war. IMO the best martial arts techniques are those which pre-date modern warfare. But as we all know, many martial arts schools today simply don't teach historically authentic techniques, but rather techniques which have emerged in the modern age due to the evolution of martial arts as a fighting sport rather than the actual art of war. I'm a Tai Chi practitioner and we suffer from many of the same problems described in this video. Too many people (and teachers) don't teach us to be more aggressive. There is this over obsession with being completely soft and a _lot_ of us are "form collectors" - so it's not only something that happens in Karate or Taekwondo, I think that this is a widespread problem that is possibly affecting the entire martial arts community. People who value form over function. The irony for us Tai Chi practitioners is that many Tai Chi schools use the Yin Yang symbol in their logo, but they've missed the entire point of the Yin Yang philosophy by become "soft extremists." I've done some Karate too, and I found the opposite problem there, a lot of people were "hard extremists." The truth is, IMO, a _balance_ of the two. This is what the philosophy of Yin Yang is... not to be too soft or too hard, but to be both soft _and_ hard at the same time. Bruce Lee made the analogy of water, which is soft and hard (try belly flopping onto a pool to feel how hard it can hit you ;)), and one Okinawan style of Karate is called 剛柔流 (Goju-ryu), which means "Hard Soft Style." So Karate is also meant to be a fusion of being both soft and hard at the same time. I once heard a Karate teacher make an interesting analogy of comparing martial arts strikes with being like a whip. Whips are soft but strike devastatingly hard. And in Tai Chi we have a techniques such as the 'Single Whip', 'Whipping Kick' etc. The correct techniques and philosophies are all there in all of these martial arts, but unfortunately a lot of people just ignore them. :( I think that this video isn't looking at revolutionising or reinventing martial arts, but rather to encourage people to be mindful to rediscover the original lost elements of your martial arts. They've always been there! It's just that a lot of them have become lost along the way (for aforementioned historical reasons). Dig beneath the surface of your arts and you should find it. :)
Boxing, Muay Thai kickboxing/any other kickboxing, wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu, and army knife fighting. That is literally all you need to be able to fight in any kind of situation against any kind of opponent, outside of using firearms. There is nothing else you need to add to this, since all the fundamentals are there: punches (and elbows), kicks (and knees), throws, locks and melee weapons.
Only possible with huge luck to stop a powerful boxing punch with wing chun bullshit... Theres not even 1 true video about real wing chun vs boxing fight wheres wing chun wins...enough evidence,all else is pitiful explanations about the reason wing chun will win... Wake up everyone, wing chun is not right for self defence!
I don’t know how well this guy is practiced but I met a Wing Chung guy in state prison in FL and it’s the nastiest fighting style there is!!! I’m 6-1 320lbs he let me go at him full force full power and I never landed one single punch! He brushed them off like they were a light breeze!!! Oh and he was all of 5-9 165 maybe but yes he could deflect anyone’s punch no matter how strong! I also witnessed him fight 4 people at once because he was a known badass so the gangs would try and jump him. He beat them all no problem! Talking about 4 men trying to kill him not fight him when a gang in prison puts a hit on you it’s maximum violence he wanted those 4 men like it was effortless! Real wing Chung is meant for war!! It was designed for women to kill MEN in real combat!! I say real because what you learn at the local gym probably isn’t exactly what the real deal is.
Truth Invisible I’ve seen it in person! Just because there isn’t any video just means there aren’t a lot of REAL practitioners!! Wing Chung takes a long time to become good we’re as boxing you can learn over the summer. But to say that a fighting style that is literally designed for women to kill men in combat isn’t suitable for self defense is laughable!!
Good video demo. I agree with whole heart to most of the words by Sifu Izzo. For example, IMHO the purpose of Chi Sau is for one to get an upper-hand when he makes contact with his opponent. It is not meant to empower a person to fight forever (no more than five seconds in reality) while the two remain in contact.
Dom, What do you think of this? When I look at your Wing Chun, I see a lot of overlap with Uechi-ryu karate (which originated in south China as Pangainoon).
interesting how people cant realize that most of wing chun arsenal is removed because of the sport stupid rules... why should a wing chun fighter bother to enter this sport stuff if most of his lethality resources are banned? unless you wanna be those guys who objective is not win but just break the rules and serious damage your adversary and send him to the hospital
“It’s not about martial art vs martial art, it’s fighter vs fighter” *titles video why Wing Chun can’t handle boxing or wrestling* Smrt. Think there’s a point that was missed massively here ..
Nathaniel Doromal fair play nath , he was a cop then that’s good enough for me.credit isn’t always given to the people that let us sleep peacefully and yes I am being sincere
He just can't use his wing Chun it works fine for me 12 wins no losses so far if you use it it will work you have to be explosive and attack fast Dom your not a real fighter nothing personal
I'm a kyukoshin practitioner, and we focus on practical sparring as well. Wing Chun is even more close range. My experience with WC practitioners has been positive, even if they tend to stick to the center line of the body. My question is how would a WC practitioner deal best with someone who is familiar with that super close style of push hands, and how do you effectively block face strikes at such close range?
Very very helpful video. Thanks for it. He's not saying Wing Chun doesn't work but you need to use it properly in order to make it practical and not just a "sport"
properly trained, its a killing system, not a fighting system, thats where the misconceptions start and end.. i think it requires intense training to make it work, also u need the right person, and the right ability level
Love this guy. I did Wing Chun myself for a long time, then boxing. I felt like boxing taught me more about WC than the WC classes themselves did, purely because of sparring.
I think most WC practitioners are too stuck on theory, and end up turning it into a weird Tai Chi alternative.
There's certain parts of WC that work so well when used within the framework of other martial arts that I think it's bad for the art to be teaching it within that bubble.
are you western or eastern.
The problem I see is that many WC students have never been in a fight and they practice against other rookie WC students. Too many get caught up in the hand movements and forget the footwork. Just like some Tae Kwon Do fighters, it is easy to train yourself to hesitate after the first contact. Boxing and wrestling teach to keep going until you're stopped by your opponent or the referee. WC as I was taught has the same punches as western boxing; hooks, jabs, straight rights and lefts, upper cuts, etc. Too many rookies get caught up in the chain punching drills. The footwork was the hardest for me to learn, partially because I had to switch to a dominant hand forward after years of practicing boxing with the non-dominant hand forward. The step/slide footwork in all directions to get offline and the 'Z" step to enter bilaterally (I don't know the Chinese name for it) were way different than the bobbing and weaving of boxing. Sinking your weight and rotating the hips for more power are basic moves for both WC and boxing. I've used WC in sparring and fighting against both grapplers and boxers and some with both skill sets. In real fights I never really used chain punching once I got in close with a bong sau or a pak sau. The school I went to concentrated on a lot of grip strength and power punching. I believe that the basic WC stance is very effective against a boxer if you're patient. My Sifu showed us the similarities between the WC stance and the old time bare fisted pugilist stance used by guys like Jack Dempsey. He used a vertical fist by the way. His grandson, whom I met in the Navy, was medium sized but could hit harder than anyone I ever saw. He was dropped from a BUDs class and ended up getting in trouble for beating up ten Shore Patrolman on a hotel balcony. He was a good kid but some career mistakes are hard to make up for. On that narrow walkway their numbers did not count for naught. Good thing he wasn't drinking tequila!
I kinda feel the same. I started in Northern Shaolin, than I went Muay Thai. I had never spar in Kung Fu, I sparred in Muay Thai in the second day, I realised that I almost didn't know what to do. But in a few time in Muay Thai, it seems that what I learned in Kung Fu was really good and I evolved quickly, I just didn't know how to use it, because of the lack of sparring.
tai chi and WCK are related
+Rajah Brown no. Muay tai is a brawl go all out. wing chung is a more relaxed for of fighting. He says it in the video but contradicts it by the teaching to be more offensive. Also like he said it all depends on the fighter him/herself. On top of that, everyone has there own style.
The solution is simple, just study everything
TheJofrica I agree
sprawl+ wing chun= power
Become the water, not the cup.
then you can not mastered anything, in the end you are zero
@@sonbuibuison12 You understand he very wrong, he means that u should learn to fight not in a specific, but in all manners, too be more ready when the fight commes
"People don;t throw punches anymore", has never been on a night out in the UK. XD
Oh yes...Lol. I grew up in Leeds. I know what you are talking about
Hahahaha yup...
Get grabbed by a high school wrestler and yall are going for a ride. Graduated from University of Salford. My high school friend came to visit and got shat on for being American at a night out in Manchester city center. The other dude’s night ended pretty quick. Ours too after cuz we didn’t wanna get stabbed.
Cajakco Svanskc I’ve also seen countless Americans get knocked out cold in London.. that’s violence for you unpredictable
Well in the States we don't. ;-)
"Stop reciting theory, and hit your target."
"It's not about styles. Fighting is all about YOU."
@Liposuccc Theres more than one way to skin a cat, and the more you think you know, the more you realize you dont know much at all
@Liposuccc Fighting is all about YOU. YOU cant comprehend the unpredictable in real life situations. Your size, strength, speed ,ability, whatever, it's still YOU. You choose if you engage or not. You choose to defeat yourself or not. YOU dont know what real fighting is. YOU dont know what real violence is. And if YOU mess with the wrong one(s), your little training wont save your sorry butt one bit
@Liposuccc Ok
"It's better not to fight."
He does have a point though. Many grapplers and boxers are used to full contact sparring.
While traditional martial arts can be too fixated on katas or form especially if the teacher is pushing it down on the students.
So when it comes to full contact sparring, the students do experience some problems on not knowing on how to react.
Except that literally nothing this guy is doing is even remotely close to full contact... or any contact, for that matter.
Training is just preparation. Sparring is warming up. Real fighting is where you earn your keep.
Fighting often builds experience.
I will always put my money on a professional fighter over a martial arts "practitioner".
Everything else is theoretical. You have to test your skill set in the crucible of combat. You have to get down in trenches in order to progress as a fighter. There's no way around it.
Migg C Awesome read! You must be tested ,practice and theory only gets you so far!
Boxers are only going to be more lethal in a street fight.
Which goes back to my first point, you have to fight in order to test what you have learned.
Look at it this way, even a professional fighter be it in boxing or mma; lacks experience when making their debut. It takes a few years of real fighting to hone your skills and maximize your full potential.
did 3 years of wingchun. my first day of muay thai taught me i wasted 3 uears of my life theorizing how to fight and not avtually fighting.
Wing chun are for girl..
Why not to try Hung Gar..
Learn a real kung fu..
Rather learn how to be a star in movie..
@@chesslovers7807 lol. qell thats why i train Muay Thai anf BJJ these days. have dabbled a bit in San Shou.
@@itzbebop san shou.
Is a good one also..
But not wing chun..
San shou for real..
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What a coincidence I practiced tiger kung fu for 4 years and I then practiced kick boxing for 2 months. I feel sad for my wasted 4 years,I never even had one simple sparring. Everything was predetermined. If your opponent do this,then you counter with this and blablabla so theoritical. In reality you only learn with practice and your reflexes. And there's no way you can train your reflexes without sparring. Don't waste your time with pointless bullshit like I did. And something else why would I need to fight like a tiger when I'm human. Imagine a tiger trying to learn kick boxing which is more near to human anatomy, wouldn't that be ridiculous?
Wing chun can be really really effective if Practiced with resistance and sparring/paired with mma look at Anderson Silva “Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.”
That's why i don't leave my house. I work from home. Shop online and all my friends are on facebook. I'll never get into a physical fight.
That's probably a smart idea if you train wing Chun.
Oh yea that's the best idea man. I do the same. I even got a subscription for Amazon green, so they can deliver my groceries to the doorsteps. N got the hookers n dealers on my speed dial so I don't ever have to leave home. Isn't technology great?
John Smith
It's great being a shut-in. Who needs to defend themselves from attacks when you are in the comfort of your home.
Wait.. I may need to upgrade my security system..
hahaha
+NewYorkBlack but then what's the point of life?
More men have been defeated by Poon Tang than all the Wing Chun, Chi Sau, Karate, Kung Fu, MMA, etc combined.
Truth.
Poon Tang killed my brother.. i will avenge his death!
That's some funny crap.lmao. poo tang killa
The only truth ever to be uttered on the internet. NOT Fake News!
ah the ancient Vietnamese legend? Master of the micro tiger, slippery fish style. crouching tiger hidden dragon was actually based on a Poon Tang legend that occurred on a full moon (euphemism for period)?
I love your approach to Wing Chun! There are concepts and principles that can be applied to various other disciplines. There are specific techniques that come from Wing Chun and I like to apply those and concepts from other disciplines that work with my build to neutralize threats.
Thank you!
Wing Chun is effective when used correctly sparring helps tremendously Izzo love to learn from you
First 2 minutes of the video contradicts the title, and the rest of the video is just another instructor believing his form of Martial Art is better, which is another contradiction.
Well, could you make some kung fu, boxing, Judo or whatever.. without any bit of faith ln that!???? 🤗
any martial can work it's up to how well someone can imply their craft. people said karate can't work in mma but gsp and lyota machida are black belts that work it good.
Why is that so difficult for people to understand? A super art should have been developed by now if everyone wasn't so busy debunking everything
True... A number of fighters have employed karate now in MMA. Unfortunately, even the great Anderson Silva could not get that trapping stuff to work for him...
Quayshawn Dameron Martials Arts are at a guide for contact. How fighters approach their end game is a different thing. Some martial artists end applying self-discover techniques that are ironically thought in other styles without realizing it.
So like this guy said in a real fight it all depends on the fighter. The more related you are with different style of fighting the more openings you will be able to see against your opponent mainly because you have been there before and have a few ideas how to counter it; or because you are experienced enough to come up with your in-combat fresh ideas.
Not every pro-boxer or Wing Chu master is a grand master. To reach a higher level of expression of a martial arts you need to expand your knowledge way beyond what was thought to you. Kung fu, Western Martial arts, etc.. are suppose to be self evolving.
There is a super art, it is called MMA.
Jowey de la Nota that basically what I'm getting at u just said it in a couple paragraphs. How one applies their craft is everything is the exact same thing u described which is what I said. I've practiced in judo, Brazilian jiu jutsu, guerrilla jiu jutsu (which is basically the combination of the two) while in Japan and mauy Thai and boxing in the states. Love everything about them but the difference in pratictioners always will be how they apply it. Not who's practice more or faster but who can execute what they want to do. People on here tend to think certain types of martial arts suck and it's just not the case that what I'm getting at.
Great video, agree 100%. Took Wing Chun for 8 years, spent MAYBE at most 10% of that time in actual contact sparring. Servied in the US Army Infantry, you are right, during real actual fights, i fell back on a kick boxing style that I had less than a year experience in, I didn't realize why until just now. Wing Chun turned into more of a "class room" theoretical thing only, because I had never applied it to a real fight, where as the kick boxing we learned in training- my brain categorized it as 'the thing' to do in a real fight. Makes me a bit sad, had a learned to apply Wing Chun to a real fight, the results could have been far faster and safer for myself and my soldiers. Thank you for this insight.
Hi! however WC is a mental state also, so WC probably taught you a lot of things to become the person who you got to be today :) , but the truth is, kickboxing is a lot more direct and brutal.
Your right .. I taught my 7 year old wingchun .. its HYPER Aggressive with Every movement ending on as strike. He's 17 hes Never lost a fight EVER. You don't have to Make Wingchun work. You have to FIGHT with Wingchun. Its Is NOT Theory. ITs reality. Please Teach Wingchun Responsibly. Teach your students to fight. Not simply rules to make your pockets bigger. Center line= protect organs and parts that can take you out in one shot. NOT = lean back as far as you can and hope you don't get hit in the chin.. A great teacher is SIFU Steve Lee Swift. SIFU Jack Roberts they don't just teach you the movements but how to use the movements. Wing Chun is NOT an Easy style to learn. Simple does not mean easy.Example WingChun is like taking 1st grade to college years of math and condensing it to 3 yearsThen forcing you to use that knowledge in an effective and efficient way. Unlike many martial arts.. You can practice WingChun for a lifetime and still suck.You have to not only grasp the meanings and concepts but also apply them not only according to how they are meant to be applied to but to also mold them into the fight according to the person or persons your are fighting. Tan sau is simple until there's a fast jab. But as the jab comes in step forward and turn with tan da be sure to hit the temple or the neck use the entire body, the turning motion, snap at the end of the punch then follow through immediately with chain punches to the same spot that was hit moving quickly into the person giving little to no time to turn around from the REAL Punches (not baby tap chain punches) that they are receving. don't let up. don't back up. move forward fast. punch fast. dominate and finish your opponent fast. In this situation the jab is no match for the tan sauThis is one of the first movements taught in sil lim tau. = TAN DA + Lap DA+ Chain PunchesNo mercy is shown This is a far cry from the stories of "martial for great health" Its brings me great joy to hear a grappler speak of how he can take me to the ground. As if a Wing Chun Fighter will be standing there while he extends his hands and neck to grab a legWill meet a barrage of punches and strikes to your head and neck with no way to defend yourselfI will call 911 for you This is not just talk but from experience. A martial art is only as good as its practionerA martial arts practioner is only as good as his understanding of the artA martial artist understanding is only as good as the TeacherWingchun techniques are as limited as the Sifu who explains them but every Sifu has a reason why he limits the knowledge a student. Don't be judgmental.Be Wingchun fighters.
First wing chun video where common sense was actually said.
"Real fighting today is either ambush or its too fast to react properly to."
It's chaotic. I like how he at least takes an aggressive approach to wing chun. Although my money is still on the boxer or wrestler or muy Tai practitioner because they train in that chaos constantly through full contact sparring. You'll never be prepared for a fight if you never train with fighting. You need to know what it feels like to get hit, to feel in danger, to be disoriented, and overcome actual pain.
If you was fighting someone who know Jujitsu or 52 Blocks in a street fight how would you defend yourself without getting hurt Izzo?
Check my channel. I have several videos about LB.
the face you make when your master speaks for hours and hours and you as a demonstration puppet just stand there. and the moment its a go, he remembers another thing to tell
7:50 thats the best part XD
so good
Just waiting for another excessively hard Palm to the throat or the jaw during a demo. Kid is a gluten for punishment
10:10 LOL~
the guy is so over it hahaha
I study Historic European Martial Arts and its interesting how the concept of aggressive energy and seizing and maintaining initiative are the same. Thanks for a great video!
What arts are they as I’d like to research them. I believe most defence methods that work today were used in the battlefield long ago like Muay Thai old style
10:27 "This P.O.S" Matt's look on his face ... priceless!
I respect this dudes wisdom and he’s telling the truth. This is why a lot of martial artists are getting there ass whooped . Teachers don’t either know the diff or there not telling the students there style is more for tournaments or ring style fighting not street... you have to learn exactly what he’s saying about application, you can’t be cuddled in learning this type of stuff. I’ve personally done over 15yrs of diff martial arts and I know now which schools are fake and just trying to get your money and it’s a shame. Martial arts was made for many reasons and 1 main one was for war ,so they where trained hard to persevere over there opponents. Great video.
Position!!!! That's the magic word! I'm glad you mention that here. It's the primary thing that is missing and why so many of those challenges seen on youtube where wing chun students are getting, for the most part, beaten up, is because they do not really comprehend that they should not be throwing a punch from across the room! Closing the gap to get to the correct distance to throw a strike in the first place is at least 50% of the effectiveness of this art, and it takes some real bravery to do it in a real scrap!
why is this argument still ongoing? it's simple. use any technique that works for you and your own body type. become proficient at it. and quit knocking others for there own systems. are there useless techniques. of course. probably more useless practitioners though. what seems to get forgot in all these videos are the parameters. in real life there's one rule. survive. I don't care how u do it. just do it.
This is such a bullshit cop-out. Reality has shown us time and time again that there are certain techniques, certain training methodologies, certain cultures, and yes, certain *styles* that overwhelmingly produce better results than others.
Fighting is not purely subjective. It isn't "just choose whatever you like" because so, so many choose methods that are ineffective and dangerously inadequate without knowing it. I've seen enough Wing Chun to know its practitioners have a dangerous habit of living their hands low and their chin up, claiming "it works for me" only to get KOed the first time they spare against a competent boxer.
Those are the lucky ones. If they learned that lesson in an actual self-defense situation, the results could be fatal.
@@LAVATORR Well said. this reminds me of the Kiai (no touch technique) master who got beat the crap out of 😂
@pat mat
Uhhh are you seriously about to argue boxers are encouraged to drop their hands and stick out their chins? Is this real life?
No! The simplest solution is DON'T START SHIT WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE THEN YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Best comment on this video, and the one that makes the most sense.
"Professional boxer is still going to take hits - it's how they communicate"
*Hit* *Hit* *Take Hit* *Hit* *Take Hit*
if you look at master wong videos on you tube it's very different to this ?
+Micky Morton Master Wong is an idiot.
bit like you then *****
A bit like everyone. Micky Morton
sweet ***** no problem
+Micky Morton :D. Good conversation:D. I think quite many of Master Wong's teaches are realistic. I like his method how he explains the things. And he wants to adapt wing chun into 21st century which is essential. I am not a wing chun guy but can say that I am quite an experienced guy in martial arts, fighting sports. Of course this is just my opinion.
Very good lessons. You are doing folks a service, especially when discussing NOT dissipating energy, but staying in a range to get hit. Getting hit IS part of learning and communication, and any teacher who never gets hit, is lying, cheating, or working below levels he or she NEEDS to improve their own skills. Good job.
"They have beautiful forms, beautiful katas, and then they all kickbox..." This is so true! I am so tired of people studying an art, but for various reasons (laziness, inability to comprehend techniques, inability/unwillingness to adopt style's philosophy, etc.) don't actually use their style when sparring or fighting [Note: this is also sometimes at cause to bad teachers]. Every [martial art] vs. [martial art] video I've ever seen involved at least one of the fighters taking a vaguely traditional stance and then trying to kickbox (a style that they never learned so, not surprisingly, they suck at it). I know you say you piss off a lot of people with your videos, but I greatly appreciate you taking a hard look at the culture of martial arts today, which has too many people focused on the wrong concepts (i.e. which arts are better).
That can be said of any style of hand to hand combat if the person is stuck within the confines of style without flexibility. It's why the best fighter combines & stays flexible instead of dogmatic & ridged.
Will Dyer facts that’s why Bruce was so good
@@Jesudi2527 bruce knew that to be confined to any 1 or 2 styles had limitations. It's why he said JKD wasn't a style but a philosophy
I watched this video back than when I started with WC. It's interesting, years later I agree with everything you say but with nothing you actually "do". I don't see chi sao as sparring at all and would not recommend anyone to do it, because it's the least effective method of sparring there probably is. I learned more in a year of casual sparring than with 4 intense years of chi sao sparring. But these are the best things I learned from wing chun - creating openings when there isn't one and an awesome interceptive upper body defense, tan-sao, pack-sau, lap-sao and cham-sao are all you need from wing chun.
you're kind of half-right for the decline of fighting. problems are no longer solved by a good brawl, and most people are actually afraid of fighting, but agressions and attacks are still there. ive practiced tkd and muay thai for a while, and im confident with my fighting skills, because i not only learned the sport, but also the self defense technique. im sure wing chun has his application, but i feel like you need your opponent to play your game for it to actually work. then again ive never done wing chun. what im saying is in a fight, id keep a good distance and kick your mid section and legs, and using my fists to punch you back if i need.
black_viking1222 fighting was never that close
THANK U SO MUCH..I'M 6 MONTHS new to Wing chung,I take at a fighting school in Almambra CA..we push foward to the figth....
I hav no interest in learning hippie wing chung...
I want to figth and learn to use wing chung in the street...
u are an honest and clear voice for comon sense and the funktional use of wing chung in the streets ....
thankx so much. ...keep it coming....
Dominick, I appreciate you for not being afraid to apply your critical approach to the problem. What you've shared really makes sense to me. Go forward, please. I think your approach will help other people better understand the meaning of wing-chun and draw their attention to kung fu (because it is quite similar at some points).
I disagree with your position on attacking.
Against an average fighter pushing him back should do the job but against a fighter who understand real fighting putting yourself in the offensive position leaves yourself open to counters in a real-fight scenario.
Let's forget style for a second and what trully matters in a real fight: control. Regardless of who you are fighting you want to keep your opponent within the limitation of what you can do and minimize the risks of your weakness getting expose too soon. Attacking a real fighter who understand the ABCs of defense immediately would put you in a disadvantage if you gave away your speed, length, strength because a smart fighter will adapt to your limitations and act on it to eventually push back. That's why mastering defense first is so important.
Knowing that you are capable of defending against anything throw at you will elevate your confidence and at some point you will start seeing opening that weren't there before. Attacking will only works against opponent who do not possess a real understanding of defense.
Another thing is that I would recommend learning Boxing and Wing Chu at the same time. Both style compliment each other when you trully fuse them to the Tee and gives you a wider array of openings that weren't there before. Plus is always good to have a basic understanding of grappling martial arts so you learn how to get yourself out of tight situations. Kicks are great but real footwork in an open or close space should keep outside the reach of bone breaking kicks.
yeah, and boxes is a sport. Thats the problem. Real life fight have kicks, and ground fight aswell as eye hits and anything other. Bruce lee said it himself. Karate and other mma sport are bound to rule of a fight, then it can not be a real fight.
Jowey de la Nota when you get this close to your opponent you should attack or break for distance, fighting is chaotic, no matter how good your "kungfu" is, how well you have perfected your kata, how mechanically refined your system is, you can always get overwhelmed. i litterally, practice train and teach people to kick like this. we don't throw up our hands and have a little boxing match as an oppening, we run, jump up and just go at it, why have limited tools? limited moves. why control what ultimately can't be controlled, even punching, with so many moves and possabilities at that range, it is only a matter of time before a skilled opponent sets you up with something. the same issuse with duelists aswell, kickboxers don't do bad in a street fight, but it is adapting to the chaos and the environment, where they fall short. also kicks have no minimum rage, i am always forced to choose between them and puntches. because i can always think of an angle, some opponents are too slippery to force into any one place.
@@Danielwestberg1984 yeah but it still translates to fighting
Starts off video saying it's not about fighting style versus fighting style, it's about the fighter versus fighter. The title says wing chun can't beat boxing. 🤔
Lemonade I hated that contradiction too.
You're missing the point. Boxing also can't beat wing chun. Wrestling can't beat boxing, boxing can't beat wrestling. Muay thai can't beat BJJ, I can go on and on.
Love your objective view of the arts and fighting
Thank you! Subbed to your channel!
to others that dont agree the honor is built while learning, but wing chun is ALL about combat. The honor comes from your own conviction. Great teaching and fundamentals.
From what was said at the 1:40 mark does it stand to reason that wing chun involves the use of firearms since that "could" de-escalate a hostile situation?
This guy is so in love with himself talking.
@Tai Chi Tube There you are again mate :) Why are you so mad at me? Only tried to show you some stuff that will work in a real fight.
Erwin Anciano it’s actually his hair but if it’s cut he won’t be the same ever
He's Italian its who he is, one very good point he makes, it has to become your wing chun.
And you sat there and listened..just to comment and say that? Lol people are so negative
@@MsGreen-hn7hz Maybe he only listened for 4 mins like i did ? The uploader is an arrogant puke.....period. Loves himself like no other.
Watched first few minutes..saw your hand positions. Laughed..enough.
+dyenamic1 wing chun is great..I've practiced for around 22 years(2nd generation yip chun) and also trained jiu jitsu to dan grade(which I loved)as well as other arts.
I can't be asked to watch all of this thing again but did see thr first few seconds again..his locked arms..lifting stance and over reaching to make a contact on a compliant dummy opponent is utter garbage.
it's idiots like this that destroy the credibility of wing chun unfortunately.
+dyenamic1 it's just upsetting that people do see this as being representative of wing chun.
I agree that wing chun in almost all schools practice little or no real grappling and like all martial arts it has other arts which show it as weaker and/or stronger than them. rock paper scissors effect really.
ultimately it's the man and not the art itself that makes the difference and this man is cak.
+dyenamic1 Dominic izzo. . he actually believes his own hype. rates people like 52 blocks and has likely never touched arms with anyone of any skill.
some ginger dude tried debunking wing chun a few years ago and showed this guy up.
Danny something, I don't remember his name properly. ..anyway..this guy really thinks he's ok..anyways said for obvious reasons. .he's not.
but he had a lot of followers so he's doing something right.
unfortunately it isn't wing chun.
Take care matey...nice to discuss with you, sincerely.
Studied TKD for a while even did one called Jong hap masul but if I ever get into a fight I'll be using street fighting and boxing
Tkd can easily be used in a real fight though some of it atleast
You make sense on the range and I think that's where many wing Chun guys are lacking. My other question is a fight can be: infighting, long range, clinch, etc.. so how does wing Chun prepare for multiple situations?
I think this Gentleman is on the right track, he is pointing out the reality of fighting in general and basically wanting the practitioner to get maximum results from practice.
It is important to preserve the art in its original form but as we evolve so should the teaching and training methods, we must adapt to present day, it is very important so students are not getting a false understanding.
Train Hard, Exercise even Harder, Rise above Shit mentality... you should never have to even face a fight.
Great Video Mate! 👍
What this man is trying to tell us people out there training Wing Chun same thing Yip Man said don't get fancy. If you're not about that fighting life don't think that Wing Chun is just going to automatically save your ass or that you can just get drunk and go out and use it. Wing Chun will only work when IT HAS TO WORK and only if you train and train hard.. be relaxed but dont let your opponent take control like bruce lee said "when my opponent contracts, I expand. When my opponent expands I contract, and when it has an opportunity I don't hit it hits all by itself" fast and hard but relaxed.
Comparing one range to another and calling one or another superior shows a lack of true understanding. A boxer, is only effective if he can keep the fight within punching range. A wrestler is only effective if he can get the fight to the ground. No range is superior and is only part of the whole.
a refreshing comment, someone who understands, finally!
Tyler Durden You are making assumptions and those can get you killed. I know guys who are amazing trappers, that can easily move from range to range. Don't think because you have seen bad trappers that there are no good ones out there. The main idea, is not to be stuck in only one range, that is foolish.
Tyler Durden that's RIDICULOUS. learn to MOVE...And that shit doesn't HAPPEN.
Tyler Durden depends on the style though, leung tings style is very rigid and, as u say, like a dalek, however, wan kam leungs stance is more like an mma stance, because it works really well, to me, its all about the fighter, not the style, for example, u find faults in WC, yet there's reports that ip mans top student wong shun leung had shut down martial clubs after he would walk in off the street and offer the teacher a fight, when the teacher lost, his students lost respect for him, and that was using the 'dalek' stance WC! but all martial arts have their merits
JKDROB agreed. I hate when idiots make statements like this. As if martial art styles are really completely black and white, and isn't dependent on the user at all.
I like when people are completely honest and real. I am a Brazilian Jiujitsu practitioner, I have done other arts but I stuck to BJJ and Krav Maga. I wish I had come across to a Wing Chun like you so I would stick to WC as my third one.
It's nice to see someone who can adapt and comprehend on that level. I'm glad I followed
I love this! I studied Wing Chun back in the late 80s early 90s it was my original combat base, as I moved on to boxing, kickboxing, Juijitsu and eventually MMA. I used all of Wing Chuns principles coming up sparring sometimes with great success sometimes not so much. Something that is impeding the tactical application of Wing Chun, is that it's hard to go full contact with Wing Chun's strikes to the neck and eye pokes . If you can't pad up and safely practice your self defense/ combat skills full contact, it's going to take a lot longer to develop and may never become second nature. What you said at the end about people with combat sport expertise being better at wing chun, makes a lot of sense. Because traditional martial arts IMO are advanced techniques! I'll bet Anderson Silva, or someone like Connor McGregor could easily pull off some wing chun in a fight. Thanks for posting
Make sure you comment then! You have your views and I hope to hear your viewpoints on topics, seeing as you are WC educated.
doesnt take longer to learn them.. u just need to be taught em correctly,.. also this is why we use wood dummy and other training tools.. the dummy's neck doesnt break so easy, and if it does, we get another bit of wood to hit, japanese have used this too for many years, works for them works for me,.. im still alive, great stuff
9:36 "people don't throw punces animore"
whaaat?? you've never seen world star??
Why Wing Chun cannot handle boxers or wrestlers ...
I placed the same trolling comments on Silat and Shaolin videos, which made them very unhappy.
Why Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi cannot handle actual fighting. Because in the ring and on the street, everything devolves in muay thai where only judo and karate have some contribution.
All these Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi dancing around - all those elegant choreography are found only in MOVIES, but can NEVER be executed in street or ring fighting.
All Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, etc do is to increase your resiliency and train your reflexes, but look at any fight you would notice that their moves and CHOREOGRAPHY can never be executed because everything just melts and dissolves in muay thai.
I never really see many guys actually teach these elegant choreography moves though
Cynthia Avishegnath I don't know what your talking about I fight my Muay Boran friend using Chen Taiji all the time. And your overused comment about not seeing it used in the ring is stupid. Someone who truly possesses the mindset of a daoist/Buddhist master don't go out of their way to prove themselves by beating someone into the ground the hyper yang western mindset has a difficult time grasping the concept that just because you can be famous for violence doesn't mean you should. Most martial artists and usually the best ones are the ones who choose to not compete.
All of them say, "yeah we don't know what ya talking about. My brand helps me fight better. My brand promotes peace. My brand trains me not be killer."
But what I wrote is
Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, whatnots, all devolve into muai thai (or is it called mai tai).
I as the "uneducated" observer, all I observe from all these fighters,, I can't differentiate them muay thai.
They don't pass the reverse-turing test - that is as an ordinary citizen of the streets and youtube, I cannot differentiate Wing Chun, silat, shaolin, taichi, whatnots from muay thai.
All these branded martial arts do is to increase your resiliency and train your reflexes, but their CHOREOGRAPHY can never be executed because everything just melts and dissolves in muay thai.
When you "fight" with your friend in the STUDIO, or were you practicing your choreography. Because it is not in the RING or on the STREET, where they come at you with anything or everything and you have no choice but respond like a good old MUAY THAI.
All you people are executing (WHATEVER you wanna say your brand is), is POMT - Plain Old Muay Thai. Be angry, hungry or thirsty, you are ultimately muay thai.
MUAY THAI.
Cynthia Avishegnath I think mai tai is a drink lol
The puan was deliberate.
I absolutely agree you have to spar and fight in order to become a fighter
Best Wing Chun instructors are the ones who had or been in professions where they face violent people. A Marine I served with studied Wing Chun along with Judo and Taekwando. He worked as a bouncer for a few years. He became a Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor later on. Loved learning from this guy. He knows whats up, especially knowing the importance of range, timing and leverage. Sparring really help you with gauging this.
This guy is completely right about almost everything. Haven't heard anyone really state the difference between sport fighting and real fighting before. Applause
So can straight people also practice Wing Chun?
only if you're not a christian
No
No u
Still waiting for a single Wing Chun success story in MMA. I might wait forever.
Yeah, but it's not quite the point. You could rewrite that sentence and substitute "tai chi" or "bagua" or "praying mantis" or "white crane" or "silat" or "eskrima" for "Wing Chun", couldn't you? But do you really think that when martial arts masters of the pre-sport days, say 120-250 years ago, put their lives into their skills, that they weren't putting their reputations and their lives on the line - understanding that they really had to be able to use White Crane or whatever to defend themselves against a challenge from a visiting boxer? These street-tested arts work (or at least they used to when done well enough). MMA is a particular kind of animal, and admittedly a great and important development. But is it about handling a three-man attack in a bar, or a mugger with a knife, or all sorts of things which can interfere with a nice clean "self defence" situation? Have you ever met, say, a Filipino eskrimador who grew up knowing that he had to be prepared to handle anyone who wanted to bring him down? But if they haven't been in a cage fight, do you think this means that they or their students can't be learning some vital and perfectly effective skills? I don't really "get" taichi, but there have been full-contact taichi championships in the east. I don't think a lot of karate, and you could say "who cares about those artificial kata they practice", but I once had an instructor who took out three attackers in the street, with moves from kata. But "I'm still waiting for a single karate success story in cage fighting" [that hasn't been enhanced/filtered through kickboxing/Muay Thai/whatever]. The guy in this video has a lot of experience and understanding and knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. And if you want self defence, and you don't like kickboxing or grappling or whatever, Wing Chun might suit you perfectly. And it won't teach you rubbish, even if you end up modifying it or adding to it or going off to another martial art.
in wing chun you are taught how to end fights where there are no rules. eye gouges, hits to the throat and such. These are not really allowed in MMA so how can you see anyone do wing chun there?
rcmanization
So thrue, 70% of wing chun is like those technics.
It seems in this opinion, you don't know much about wing tsun... The wing tsun it wasn't invented for sport, it was made for war, and the enemy "can do dirty techniques" too, but there are a difference...
I think you're gonna wait forever since MMA is a sport and Wing Chun is a self defence system. Two completely different things.
Nice to see a fresh outlook on Wing Chun. So many get imprisoned with tradition that they forget the real tradition is to become better at fighting...not promote an art
A wild fiddler appears!
Fiddler uses "Tradition!"
It's not very effective...
All fighting forms have an arts and practical real world fighting aspect. Some are becoming more arts because they are less able to compete over time in their fighting aspect , just the effect of open market forces at work in the modern world
I like this guy...he's got a realistic approach to Martial arts... Too many teachers get caught up in teaching their students real nice choreography but not prepare them for real world attacks
... "You have to spar(fight) in order to learn" !
13:15 Is a shot to the sternum safe as he proclaims?
Potentially no but comparatively yes.
Sorry bro, I'll stick to my basics of Muay Thai.
Even basic boxing punches have helped me.
This looks like it'll take me years to drill.
I got a life to live,
Looks cool though.
In all honesty WIng Chun is a very simple fight style in the drilling aspect, it requires very little body conditioning like Muay Thai and focuses on real application through your whole life, it focuses on body mechanics that can be used even in old age unlike boxing (Try throwing a devastating right hook at 70). Now, in no way am i saying that boxing or Muay Thai are not skillful or effective, but in a group attack I would go for Wing Chun over boxing and Muay Thai, as you don't really have time to jab and wear down your opponents. This is purely based on advantages and disadvantages (I have trained in Boxing and Mauy Thai and focusing on Wing Chun now).
this deserve more likes
+Tomáš Bartoš Mike made a very valid point, MT and Boxing take their toll on your joints, especially wrists and knees.
I won't be able to train the same way I do now at the age of 50 or 60, my bones and joints would not be able to handle it.
Even at this young age, I have take days off sometimes when I train/spar hard, to let my body recover.
My initial comment is still valid cause MT and Boxing are easier to master than an art like WC.
But in the same breath, WC doesn't take such a toll on your body as the others do.
Guess it boils down to different strokes for different folks.
In all honesty, I'd love to be able to kick ass like Donnie Yen does in the Yip Man movies😂
good point.I feel like because boxing and muay thai focus more on generating maximum impact force than on actually delivering said force consistently, its easier to master. You can feel the power behind your strikes so its easier to correct your techniques and thus slightly easier to master. But with wing chun, because the blows are more about sensitivity, consistency and structure rather than generating maximum force so its harder to pick up on the nuances and reach mastery. At earlier levels they are all easy to pick up but when reaching mastery the same does not hold.
+Malcolm X didnt know you were still alive...
Dominick Izzo, I have to to state, that what you keep talking in your videos and on your channel is good stuff, but your wing chun in a technical way is really horrible...
+Nikolaij Brouiller I have to disagree.
Look at fencing, the lines and everything represent the ideal, and deviation from the ideal equates to advantage to the other guy, and often immediately loss or death in real life. That is high speed stuff, very precise, very concept oriented, and while you may win with sloppy technique vs an inexperienced person who is beginning to learn how to dance, an expert who adhere's to the ideal and made those techniques his own (not merely mimicking them, but understanding them well enough that they are "his," even if they mirror the ideal he was taught), will own the guy with the lesser technique that deviates from the ideal.
My take on you and Izzo, yes it may work on the surface in your contextual environments or your understanding, but never forget the ideal and explore the point of view from there.
Why the soft? To sense deviation from the line and attack.
You still need to be able to bring it and issue damage with that soft, otherwise your WC is just tappity garbage.
The problem (among many) is people stay there instead of attacking. They stick for the sake of sticking.
You really don't want to stick. You want to hit.
The idea that WC people are focused on their arms and that BJJ guys understand their bodies "better" is a rather limited and subjective opinion. I respect that opinion however for what it is. A lot of what Izzo says is true, but he contradicts himself as well when discussing history. History, the non-biased youtube flavored variants internet deviants base their entire understanding on, demonstrates this idea to be an unfortunate fabrication.
BJJ guys may understand a rougher version of chi-sao with a lot of aggressive energy, but it is not fine tuned and many of them (at least to me) seem to have horrible balance and love the floor too much for their own good. The fight can end very quickly without ever having gone to the ground. Fights have ended very quickly without having gone to the ground. Just because someone wants to take it to the ground DOES NOT MEAN it will go to the ground. True combat has demonstrated that, and hell even MMA has demonstrated that. I do not understand why in spite of this people choose to believe that all fights end on the ground. If BOTH fighters resign themselves or want it to go to the ground, then it will. I believe that to be a fact.
+Wladimir Illischkowitsch Lenin Your impression is skewed my friend.. he is also completely full of shit. Now if he talked about the cultural merit and self defense applications that are totally workable, without holding his art up to the arts of people that cry blood in the ring every night, I'd be okay with it...
any wing chun fighter who has never received a broken nose from a boxer has almost certainly never actually fought one (or not many) just saying.
You have obviously never trained/fought with a golden gloves level boxer
I honestly don't understand how people compare fighting styles and get on war in comment section. A person who is really good with his/her feet will always try to stand on ground and kick their opponent and a person good with his/her grappling skills will always try to take their opponent to the ground and grapple them. It's the individuals' skill that determines what happens in that scenario. When he/she knows their weakness, they'll try hard to avoid that. I believe that's how self defense works. Like you said, to each his mom's pasta or lasagna is the best. But when he/she grows up and learns to cook some delicious foreign cuisine, he/she must be open to the idea of giving it a try and maybe even sharing the recipe with his/her mom. :) I really enjoyed this video. Kudos...
Can you make a video about how to develop chain punches and wing chun defense?
"Look at how good I am"... wow... lol.
if you don't understand your tools you can't use it. if you can't explain it to a 6 year old you can't use it. Chi sau teaches you hand/arm positions. double in, double out, offset left and offset right. not hard to see. people complicate simple ideas.
I love your channel and I agree with everything you saying especially on sparring !
IF you train martial arts and not sparring then what your training is useless. I used to do Kenpo karate and it was useless because we would do drills but no sparring !
Know I boxe and I spare every time I train !
I trained Wing chun with Grandmaster Henry Cook in Louisville Kentucky. He was a cop many years ago as well. We sparred all the time and we got hit. If you never been hit you might not know how to handle it in a real situation. Great channel!
Hey Dominick, tremendous content!
A subscriber from India here. Love the channel :) I recently started training in Wing-Chun which is my first 'formal' training in a fight system. Been around a month or so. And today, after the class ie. the drills etc.. me and my mates were discussing how to make the learning 'applicative'. This came since I was feeling lost here.. and was slipping towards seeing the art more as a 'formal' training system.. as I couldn't make sense of how to apply the formal learning in a real-life situation. Then a friend who has been doing it since a few months, sparred with me.. where he asked me to respond to some typical confrontations on street.. and then I could see the context back.. where the drills would make sense for me.
Luckily, we have planned to do sparringly regularly now onwards. Hoping this goes well!
Katas are money makers. They are important, but if you do not spar you will never know how to learn about timing the importance of your conditioning, or what type of fighter you are. Alot of martial arts school push kata and less sparing to keep people from leaving. If you do not spar shouldn't get a black belt period.
"People don't punch anymore" Then why are you training for the possibility that you get punched?
sorry mate but you have no clue of what JKD is. What you say at 5.50 about JKD is totally unaqurate. I sugest you read the Tao of JKD and you will see that one of Bruce Lee principles was that "theres no better defense that a good atack"
And Bruce Lee got that from Wing Chun.
Yes, he took that from wing chun and took other things from other arts too, boxing fencing, kali, etc. Wing chun its a great art, but its not the supreme art. If you say or imply that, you are being dogmatic (which is something bad if your focus is to be adaptable). We should not be discussing ARTS but techniques and how to apply them in real or sport context. "Its not the art its the practitioner". I sujest you watch some Paul Vunak videos and you will see what is in my opinion the essence of JKD, which are also some Wing chun principles, simple, efficient, Direct, sincere.
That's how it's is.
As a practitioner of Wing Chun and Martial Arts for 16 years, and through all my learning and training I have come to one conclusion: "There is no superior Martial Art, only a superior Martial Artist." - Sifu Sunny Tang
Debates about different styles etc. is pointless. Ive seen people with 0 formal training of any sort destroy three black-belt leveled attackers at once. Why you might ask? All he does is fight, relying on nothing but his intellect and actual combat experience. But he's a fighter at the end of the day. Fighters are not Martial Artists. Anyone can learn how to fight. If an individuals aim in training Martial Arts is to be more superior than anyone else, than in my humble opinion that practitioners philosophy is flawed. This is why modern day MMA is considered a sport and the competitors are fighters, not martial artists. Adapting to different styles is why Bruce Lee was able to even create JKD. It's because he trained Wing Chun soo fluently that it became a part of him. Through actual tested experience with Wing Chun he was able to see; in his opinion, ares where his art was ridged and need to be more like water and change slightly. Without realizing it Bruce Lee created a form of modern day MMA. Implementing what he learned and adapting it to his from of Wing Chun. This is what a true Martial Artist is in my opinion. Always training/learning/improving/adapting/adopting etc. "Be like Water." Sifu was absolutely right...RIP
Lol. I can see from your response that it's truly YOU my friend who really knows nothing. Do you even know who Sunny Tang is? My Sifu has never trained Karate in his life, only Chinese Gung Fu. And he lived on the same street as Ip Man in China. His Sifu was Sifu Yip Chun. Ip Man's son. Do you even know what the Ip Chun Wing Chun Kuen Martial Arts Association is? LMFAO Bruh...you clearly don't know jack shit about Wing Chun. But it doesn't really matter, I have nothing to prove to someone the likes of you, who clearly has limited understanding of what Martial Arts really is, let alone anything else. Sorry bruh, dun bother trying with a comeback...I won't respond.
awesome video!!! realistic, critical and honest, prob the best WC vid ive seen
Why does Wing Chun punch to the chest? 2 reasons. How many times do you want to get punched in the face bare knuckles in training? Not many. But you can handle punches to the chest. And as Sifo Izzo says, you want to practice punching with contact, not punching the air or pulling your punch. Some good nuggets in this video. Much respect!
I think WC should be combined with JKD and some sort of ground combat. So you can work at all ranges and even after you get taken down.
Or any other Martial Art really
Yup, the solution is simple, just study everything, real talk
I mean, why not try to learn as much as you can :)
For example in my trainer is pretty much schooled in almost all kinds of Martial Arts so we just do everything.
I am not training since a long time but I think this is pretty good.
It's all about the training itself and not the kind of Martial Art, or is it? After all, I want to "have fun".
WolfLPer Exactly, that's a great approach. It's a lifetime study also. I started off with Kajukenbo, which is a mix of several different arts (I like to call it the original MMA). We just trained in my sensei's garage. It was pretty raw, but also a family atmosphere. From there I studied other things like Capoeira and Tai Chi but really, my love is for Martial Arts as a whole. I love the culture of discipline and respect. It's cool if you find one style you like such as Wing Chun, but videos like this (why one style doesn't work etc.) are pretty useless in my opinion.
Obviously this dude has never seen an IP MAN film.
That's called a movie loosely based on realism made purely for entertainment.
Why would he watch an Ip Man film? Choreographed martial arts movies aren't useful to someone developing their system for street combat contexts.
Most boxers, kickboxers, and MMA practitioners were drawn to their style's effectiveness in actual fights. Most traditional martial artists were drawn to their style's effectiveness in movies and video games.
Beautifully said! A lot of people don't know this but Ip Man didn't adore Bruce Lee and as a result Lee never finished his WC training(Ip Man refused to continue). He was kind of forced to make Jeet Kune Do in a way. I kind of enjoy all of the various kung fu for what it is, the pure history and tradition that thousands of Chinese lived by.
3:25 you know what you are doing, but Wing Chun is not about beating people up or winning, it's about honor and control, you speak like you are reeady to pound someone
Wrong, sir / miss... Wing Chun is EXACTLY about combat. You can use what you want for your internal growth, but it is a pure fighting system.
Sorry but whatever you say i agree with @8Bit Brozos , you seemed more about wrecking your opponent than preserving your wellbeing which ISNT wing chun.
phil witts awesome man, and yeah its strue, he doesnt respect wing chun
mryupjup you have the wrong idea
Sorry sir (Izzo), but you're wrong. I recommend you to read more about Wing Chun and in a deeply way... like reading his origins, reading about Yip Man/ Ip Man (his story, philosophy, watching all his movies if you want to), reading about his students too (Not only Bruce Lee of course... read about Wong Shun Leung for example). Wing Chun is more about to improve one's health (Physically and Mentally)... No offense...
Great video.
I would add that the decline of real martial arts started in the 1940s with the advent of the semi-automatic assault rifle which forever changed modern combat. The word martial literally means "pertaining to war," and until WWII hand-to-hand combat was still essentially used in combat. Modern 20th-21st Century weapons technology has become so advanced that it is highly unlikely to soldiers will use melee combat, and even if they did, it'd be even less likely that they would be unarmed (because remember that even an unloaded gun can still be used as a weapon, e.g. rifle-clubbing, pistol whipping etc.), and many soldiers also carry knives. The way that modern soldiers are trained has also massively changed since the late 20th Century. Both World Wars, Korea and Vietnam were fought with amateur enlisted or conscripted soldiers (e.g. J.R.R. Tolkien, Elvish Presley etc.). Nowadays battles are fought with _professional_ career soldiers. Superior training and ever improving technology makes modern soldiers more efficient than they ever have been in any other point in history. We even have unmanned drones that can perform reconnaissance or even deliver strikes. Some countries even have fully automated robot drones which are programmed and authorised to open fire on enemy combatants without human command (most Western countries don't use this technology for moral/ethical reasons as we believe that the decision to take another human life shouldn't be decided by machines; but other countries don't share this reservation and are already implementing this tech).
Traditional martial arts evolved right up until WWII because they kept on being used on refined in the mother of all testing grounds for martial arts - war. IMO the best martial arts techniques are those which pre-date modern warfare. But as we all know, many martial arts schools today simply don't teach historically authentic techniques, but rather techniques which have emerged in the modern age due to the evolution of martial arts as a fighting sport rather than the actual art of war.
I'm a Tai Chi practitioner and we suffer from many of the same problems described in this video. Too many people (and teachers) don't teach us to be more aggressive. There is this over obsession with being completely soft and a _lot_ of us are "form collectors" - so it's not only something that happens in Karate or Taekwondo, I think that this is a widespread problem that is possibly affecting the entire martial arts community. People who value form over function. The irony for us Tai Chi practitioners is that many Tai Chi schools use the Yin Yang symbol in their logo, but they've missed the entire point of the Yin Yang philosophy by become "soft extremists." I've done some Karate too, and I found the opposite problem there, a lot of people were "hard extremists." The truth is, IMO, a _balance_ of the two. This is what the philosophy of Yin Yang is... not to be too soft or too hard, but to be both soft _and_ hard at the same time. Bruce Lee made the analogy of water, which is soft and hard (try belly flopping onto a pool to feel how hard it can hit you ;)), and one Okinawan style of Karate is called 剛柔流 (Goju-ryu), which means "Hard Soft Style." So Karate is also meant to be a fusion of being both soft and hard at the same time. I once heard a Karate teacher make an interesting analogy of comparing martial arts strikes with being like a whip. Whips are soft but strike devastatingly hard. And in Tai Chi we have a techniques such as the 'Single Whip', 'Whipping Kick' etc. The correct techniques and philosophies are all there in all of these martial arts, but unfortunately a lot of people just ignore them. :( I think that this video isn't looking at revolutionising or reinventing martial arts, but rather to encourage people to be mindful to rediscover the original lost elements of your martial arts. They've always been there! It's just that a lot of them have become lost along the way (for aforementioned historical reasons). Dig beneath the surface of your arts and you should find it. :)
Great comment.
I respect that he actually puts his stuff to the test. But whatever works, use it, and adapt.
It's cute how you say sparring is like the most important thing but in the whole video you don't show any application of your technique in sparring.
Boxing, Muay Thai kickboxing/any other kickboxing, wrestling, Jiu-Jitsu, and army knife fighting.
That is literally all you need to be able to fight in any kind of situation against any kind of opponent, outside of using firearms. There is nothing else you need to add to this, since all the fundamentals are there: punches (and elbows), kicks (and knees), throws, locks and melee weapons.
This techniques are never shown in real time. I would like to see him stop some real punches
Only possible with huge luck to stop a powerful boxing punch with wing chun bullshit... Theres not even 1 true video about real wing chun vs boxing fight wheres wing chun wins...enough evidence,all else is pitiful explanations about the reason wing chun will win... Wake up everyone, wing chun is not right for self defence!
I don’t know how well this guy is practiced but I met a Wing Chung guy in state prison in FL and it’s the nastiest fighting style there is!!! I’m 6-1 320lbs he let me go at him full force full power and I never landed one single punch! He brushed them off like they were a light breeze!!! Oh and he was all of 5-9 165 maybe but yes he could deflect anyone’s punch no matter how strong! I also witnessed him fight 4 people at once because he was a known badass so the gangs would try and jump him. He beat them all no problem! Talking about 4 men trying to kill him not fight him when a gang in prison puts a hit on you it’s maximum violence he wanted those 4 men like it was effortless! Real wing Chung is meant for war!! It was designed for women to kill MEN in real combat!! I say real because what you learn at the local gym probably isn’t exactly what the real deal is.
Truth Invisible I’ve seen it in person! Just because there isn’t any video just means there aren’t a lot of REAL practitioners!! Wing Chung takes a long time to become good we’re as boxing you can learn over the summer. But to say that a fighting style that is literally designed for women to kill men in combat isn’t suitable for self defense is laughable!!
Ryan D 🤔🤔🤔bullshit prove me wrong
Man, Beautifully explained and loving the honesty, advice, and explanation!
Good video demo. I agree with whole heart to most of the words by Sifu Izzo. For example, IMHO the purpose of Chi Sau is for one to get an upper-hand when he makes contact with his opponent. It is not meant to empower a person to fight forever (no more than five seconds in reality) while the two remain in contact.
Mai Tai would get you smashed
Mai Tai is a drink.
Then why does it get me smashed/wasted? Oh. Touche.
i think that's the joke.
1:40 “Wing chun, by definition, is undefinable.”
That’s one of the most thoughtless, self-defeating sentences I’ve ever heard.
I feel like he's teaching me how to do a dark hado 😂
SOUSSSSSSSSS
Hey Izzo, who are you currently taking lessons from? Your stuff looks way less sloppy and more relaxed overall. Keep up he progress!
Dom, What do you think of this? When I look at your Wing Chun, I see a lot of overlap with Uechi-ryu karate (which originated in south China as Pangainoon).
Interesting how you never see any Wing Chun fighters in the octagon.
you do.. alan orr
there are full contact fights in the east, proper full contact.. but they are closed door.
interesting how people cant realize that most of wing chun arsenal is removed because of the sport stupid rules... why should a wing chun fighter bother to enter this sport stuff if most of his lethality resources are banned? unless you wanna be those guys who objective is not win but just break the rules and serious damage your adversary and send him to the hospital
“It’s not about martial art vs martial art, it’s fighter vs fighter”
*titles video why Wing Chun can’t handle boxing or wrestling*
Smrt.
Think there’s a point that was missed massively here ..
wing chin works well.
isn't the public's fault u can't handle a boxer or wrestler. .
Can you handle Leroy Smith?
Where do I buy your tutorial DVD?
This man would get wrecked in a real fight
I've met Izzo. He is a former cop and has a background in boxing in addition to wing chun. He can more than handle himself in a real fight.
Nathaniel Doromal fair play nath , he was a cop then that’s good enough for me.credit isn’t always given to the people that let us sleep peacefully and yes I am being sincere
I LIKE RANCH WITH MY WINGS THANK YOU
He just can't use his wing Chun it works fine for me 12 wins no losses so far if you use it it will work you have to be explosive and attack fast Dom your not a real fighter nothing personal
I'm a kyukoshin practitioner, and we focus on practical sparring as well. Wing Chun is even more close range. My experience with WC practitioners has been positive, even if they tend to stick to the center line of the body. My question is how would a WC practitioner deal best with someone who is familiar with that super close style of push hands, and how do you effectively block face strikes at such close range?
Very very helpful video. Thanks for it. He's not saying Wing Chun doesn't work but you need to use it properly in order to make it practical and not just a "sport"
properly trained, its a killing system, not a fighting system, thats where the misconceptions start and end.. i think it requires intense training to make it work, also u need the right person, and the right ability level
The person who made Wing Chun is a woman, the person who made boxing is a man. So you do understand what I'm talking about
That was proven to be false, just fyi.
Nhật Tuấn False. All martial arts were made by men.
No. Firstly, Wing Chun was not created by a woman, it was named after one.
We don't know who created boxing. Boxing is older than the pyramids.
No.
you are wrong
Wing chun has some good elements like trapping...I use it in my boxing...but wing chun alone is no match for an average mma fighter
Wow ... You talk a lot
Awesome video. Where do I get a Matt to practice with?
I appreciate the perspectives on combat and training you presented here. Thanks for sharing your opinion and experience.