"These are barely grown women...who have been groomed..." yes 100% exactly. I hope the members can get out oft their contracts, take a break from the entertainment industry and get the mental help and support they need.
@VG24601Professionals need to intervene. Most victims of gr00ming never realize they were actually gr00med until they are faced with it upfront by people who know what they're doing. This is coming from experience by the way. I had no idea about my situation until my therapist informed me that a relationship that I thought was just "a little uncomfortable, but otherwise fine" was really something that had been subconsciously haunting me for years. They need support.
@@oli-iq1yx they do have depth to their thinking levels, dont judge their intellect based on their age, im in my 20s,i used to think teenagers are not sharp cuz their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed but some people are smart from early age, emotionally and cognitively, i think you guys are operating on preconceived notions, forming a comment based on what appear to be but not what actually is, assuming things based on what you don"t know instead of real information
@@Harry17Awesome i understand what you mean but i’m saying this as someone who is about the same age as danielle and haerin. kids and teenagers and young adults (however you wanna refer to that age range) can be absolute geniuses, we all know that. but that’s not something we can depend on and say “hey let’s put them in situations even people in their 30s would have a rough time in”. it’s a good prerogative to give them the benefit of the doubt which in this case is saying that how they are being treated is not acceptable or appropriate; not only because they are extremely young but also because they are humans and they are employees. i hope this doesn’t come across as rude because i respect and understand your opinion quite a bit!
I feel like everyone's ignoring the parents involvement. Lets be real if they're parents weren't eating up everything MHJ said the girls would have a different outlook. The girls aren't just manipulated by MHJ but their parents too. They have MHJ in the left ear and the parents in right ear.
This situation is very different from fifty fifty like seriously I think international fans are manipulated by hybe every1 in Korea support new jeans in this when they reacted very differently to fifty fifty
@@meou_meou it's literally the same as 5050. Mhj took notes and thought that she'd be special just because she's at the helm of a big group like NJ...
Yes, MHJ groomed their parents. 🤦♂ Imagine being in the girls' shoes. Every other Hybe girl group gets criticized for their performance, and now the parent company has sent in new people-likely the same ones who managed those criticized groups-to take care of you and your friends. If I were in their position, I’d probably be doing the same thing, without any grooming. But who knows, maybe MHJ groomed me too!
regardless of manipulation, they are ultimately still responsible for their own behavior. It can help explain behavior, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Especially the older members who are adults, the younger ones I can sympathize with a bit more
Stop it. I hate when we look down on Newjeans and treat them like some 10year old child. Please remember this is Newjeans job / life. Making music, dancing ect. They have spent years and years to be where they are. They are allowed to have a saying in this cause its about them. This whole thing is not something to do with "adults". Its about 1 man that got humiliated and is jealous. Remember they didnt like or believed in MHJ concept thats why she got handed her own studio. On contract she was going to debute the first gg in hybe, but they did her dirty. When ATTENTION got dropped out of nowhere and became a succesful HIT. The humilation started and that 1 person got jealous and wanted some kind of destruction of MHJ and NJ. *Enter Illit.. it all started here. The trap, the lies and misinformation being spread by Hybe and their toxic fandoms that was a pawn in the plan to be used by hybe. Cause they know what kind of hatful raid they can do and to make them self look like they are in the good. Now Hybe managed to change Ador and sabotaging from the inside. THE ONLY PERSON that was protecting NJ was MHJ. SHE WAS AND IS THE "ADULT". All you see now is comments (by the toxic fandoms) about how bad MHJ is, how she is manipulating the girls ect and media only showing picture of MHJ crying, making her look like a crazy person. CAN you imagine how frustated MHJ must be after what she built with NJ. The SUCCESS she accomplished in only 2 years... and all ruin with lies after lies and misinformation.. just to ruin her. because someone got humiliated and is jealous. This live video now will be a BIG moment in kpop history. I hope other artist or idols speaks out. we need a change! ♥MHJ ♥NJ ♥BUNNIES ❤FIGHTING!!❤
@@BigDaddyMacc Then she should just pay the termination amount and take NJ with her,how can she leave her daughters behind.but saying HYBE had no part in their success, is like saying like parents don't play any part in their child success. She had the concept hybe provided the rest, so she can mould them to what they have become.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that, regardless of age, regardless of manipulation, they are ultimately still responsible for their own behavior. It can help explain behavior, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Many things can be true at once.
I feel like, when it comes to manipulation, it’s the one situation where this take doesn’t fully apply. Because how do you expect someone to make a good decision on a situation if an outside source has warped their reality so much, that their actions are being influenced by that reality. It’s almost like asking someone under a spell or a curse to somehow still be able to properly operate outside of that spell or curse. It doesn’t make sense. Yes they’re adults, but they’re adults under manipulation. They’re not fully operating out of the free will that you and I are operating out of. They’re under a spell of the mind. Their reality and our reality are two separate things, because of Min Heejin. Like Newjeans doesn’t have a peripheral vision anymore, they only see Min Heejin.
@@OnlyLilynn44 I completely hear what you’re saying and I do agree to an extent. But consider, this, and this is obviously an extreme example, but people escape cults. Like straight up locked in a compound with no access to any information but what the leader tells you and people are still able to go “somethings not right” and escape. And some people under the control of the cult go on to do terrible things. Those people are still held legally responsible for their behavior. NewJeans are not in a cult. MHJ is not a cult leader. They have cell phones with internet access. They have the ability to read and understand as much as they want. They’ve consulted lawyers. They are in contact with their families and friends outside who can also access all the same information. Now, is it difficult for people to break out from under controlling people? Especially when you’ve been under them for a large part of your formative years? Absolutely. Should we have compassion for the situation that they are under? Absolutely. But does that mean they get a get out of jail free card for the behaviors they make? No. But should the consequences take into account the fact that they are in a unique situation? Yes.
@@OnlyLilynn44 it still applies 100%. when you are so drunk that you cant think logically anymore (under a spell as you said) and then get into a car and crash into things, you are still responsible for the damage you've done, no matter how powerful that 'curse' of alcohol had clouded your brain. this is a similar argument to the 'its not my fault, i did it because of my mental illness.' as stated above, both can be true at once. people can be under all sorts of 'spells' that cloud their judgement or twist their view of reality, but at the end of the day they will still always be responsible for their own actions.
I feel bad for the girls, I do think it was a bad idea to make that live. I do also think that the people hating on new jeans lack compassion and empathy is pretty obvious that they have been groomed and manipulated emotionally since their were young. Because thats not a normal relationship between a Ceo and their employees it seems that there were no boundaries set by Min heejin. I wished min heejin actually protected the girls. I do wonder who was behind that camera while they were speaking, or maybe there was nobody.
@@hrishikeshsarma738i mean of course they had scripts, no one says anything serious without a script, to have coherent thoughts, instead of a jumbled mess, and they said that they had a trusted staff member help them
Heavy on the lack of compassion or empathy. Even if the girls were being manipulated, from their perspective, they believed that MHJ was someone whom they claim protected and treated them well, and they appreciated her for it. Then, one day she was was ousted and replaced with strangers, leading to a drastic shift in the workplace culture. I'm sure that if many people were in the same situation -- working for someone that they actually like to working with a jerk -- they would probably feel the same way as the girls. I'm not defending MHJ or her manipulation of the girls either. I'm just saying -- they've always been in support of MHJ so from their perspective, they lost someone they valued. Even if most people would not publicly risk their job (or in some cases -- their own lives) to call out their company for bad workplace culture, I still applaud the girls for having the courage to stand up for themselves and do what they thought was right. If a company is treating their employees badly then they should be reprimanded, and we shouldn't condemn people for bringing awareness to it.
@@starsnoireart nope just getting the hate returned that dear CEO spread. if I was a manager of a group I would also tell my groups to stay away. was he rude? yes. did he do a right job? yes
If they didn’t make that live then it’d be K-pop dark history of being controlled by their company. Honestly they’re rewriting K-pop by actually being able to stand up for themselves
I feel like what the members crave is just stability. everything is changing around them, they don't feel like their voice is heard. and this has been going on for over 6 months. Just because you're grown adult or are an employee doesn't mean that this type of work environment won't affect you. And yes the manipulation of MHJ def has a big roll as well. But lets not forget that hybe doesn't really take idols mental heath in mind when they are making decisions. lets not forget that before being an employee, they are humans FIRST. I'm sick and tired of people telling others to just shut up and take it because it's 'work' or 'business'. At the moment these girls need an adult in their lives who actually has their best interest in mind and that they will trust. because working in an place where you can't trust anyone is not a great environment to work in. The adults in their lives really failed them, and it shows. I also find it very weird how everyone just goes and attack newjeans.. like first you wanted idols to speak up against their company for the mistreatment.. but then when idols actually speak.. you get mad because 'how dare you bite the hand that feeds you'???
There is a right place and time for everything. Breaching your contract and commiting public defamation is not it. They should have taken it to court if they feel like they are really being mistreated like what loona did and won.
@@Lizardlarry2000 she didn't put a dime in ador she worked as a creative director and hybe is keeping that position for her though before hybe appointed her as ceo in the company they still own most of the shares even her shares are bang's shares cause he lended her the money and I don't think she payed him back yet so he can cancel her shares as well She's the one stealing from hybe not the opposite 🤦♀️🤦♀️
I’ll be honest I truly do not understand how Hybe has become the only one to do bad in some people’s opinions and that is insanely wrong. I’ll point out the min heejin was honestly the instigator of the big portion of the drama she brought all the other groups down and cause much harm to others. She constantly said her reason was to defend her group at the expense of others.
The ppl dragging the drama in public is mhj and nj… nobody else… I’m not defending hybe but you right! When ppl say “hybe needs to pay for everything they did!” I’m like what exactly they did? Like changing the ceo? Accusing mhj of branching the company? Like what exactly they did? Mhj has a whole SA case and nj fans are not pointing that out!
It’s so wild that they basically want HYBE to ignore the fact that she plotted against them and brought a bunch of hate to innocent groups, so let me get this straight, no accountability for MHJ whatsoever
That's what concerns me the most. It has been revealed many times that MHJ is not the 'caring mother' to them that she pretends to be, yet keep defending her over and over. That's some fucked up level of brainwashing.
HYBE can sack all of them and sue them all into bankruptcy for breach of contract. If the girls are smart, they would follow the example of Keena and not the 3 backstabbers from 50 50.
Real artists are suffering actual mistreatment like no pay, poor working environment, and CEO making them do favors. Lost the last respect I had for them.
As many others have said i just hope the girls will realize that they're amazing artists with or without mhj. Them being manipulated is sad enough as it is but when you take into account that they think that their careers can't go on without that woman it's even sadder, they have the talents, they have the fame and sure while mhj was the one who kickstarted their concept the base is still there and other people can work on it even without her, look at the sm groups that she doesn't work with anymore and guess what? They're still thriving. It feels like they've been convinced that their artistic worth starts and ends with mhj and that is just NOT true
Their concept of mistreatment is being ignored by other idols, but meanwhile in the same corporation, there is enhypen being overworked nonstop for months and fromis_9 getting 0 promotion their whole career. But yeah them feeling ignored is more important. I am sorry but they dig their own grave now, their actions will have big consequences.
I heard they didn't attend normal school and only had private tutoring. They didn't really learn to socialize with their peers right? Seems like they've got no clue how to interact with others.
yea txt is also overworked and had to perform while they were sick or hurt many times and i don't even have to explain with BTS but getting ignored is the bigger problem here.
Literally there was something about MHJ from the start. Even before she was the CEO of Ador. When i saw a video of her describing the members near the release of attention i just found it weird how she talked about meeting with Hyein (14 at the time) and them going out together on their own and to her house (which im pretty sure at the time people saw weird photos of young girls on her insta that included pictures in her house), she often described the members as 'young' or 'innocent' in the weirdest tones as if she was fascinated by it in a weird way. It seems that she also keeps a close relationship with their parents as well and feeds them news and stuff. Her texts with the shaman are disturbing to say the least. Again the way she talks about them is disgusting and weird. These girls were groomed and lied to and right now they need comfort. Hybe on the other hand really is not any better. Like lets be honest here they probably dont care about the members at all and are definitely seeking out to finish these problems to improve their company's image. Also, you did not mention this in the video and i don't know all the details but apparently there have been sa allegations in ador and all i know for now is that the new CEO has intentions/is looking into it. I heard that they were covered up but personally i dont know more than this. I really just wish for the protection of these girls and others like them
@@kibongseo3319 okay defender of a thieving groomer who covered up a SA case of her employee on top of other things. Sure mhj and newjeans relationship is very special ain't it, they are very special, loved and spoiled but once they turned her back the girls became a lazy, dumb and fat (mhj words not mine)
@@kibongseo3319sure but it’s very weird to have that type of relationship in my opinion I’m here for them expressing their dissatisfaction with hybe and poor mistreatment but instead talk about min heejin is crazy anyways what Hanni said about the manger kinda left a sour taste in my mouth I think the manger should be called out but she’s chronically online and know how kpop fans act and know that illit are going to get hate when in reality their also victims to me it clear they care about themselves and seen as the sole victims it human nature to put themselves first but yeah personally I rather just not have anything to do with new jeans
@@kibongseo3319 then if she cares about Newjeans so much why isn't she joining Ador again? Hybe is offering her a position but she wants more money and the highest position she can get. She doesn't actually care about the members, and her messages with the shaman prove that. She says such disgusting things about the members.
Out here in the real world, people you work with come and go and you are expected to continue working. That's called professionalism. Girls, do not fall off a cliff just because MHJ is telling you to. You're there, make the best from it. If MHJ truly love them as a 'mom', she'd support them nonetheless and be proud of them even if they're parting ways. What a mess.
The way the companies especially staff are acting aren't profesional. The girls are being more responsible than those who are supposed to take care of their own career. After adults not doing shit, the girl's choosed for themselves. If my boss did not give me work and treated me like shit in the WORKPLACE (Which on any workplace, the way the manager treated them is UN PROFESIONAL) I would speak up too.
@@patschwab4083 They literally can, nothing is stopping them. And yeah, hanni and the other girls had said more had happened than that incident, and I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if the things are true too.
@@ashantythegreat3231they can’t tho? She said the manager told her group to ignore them? Well, she has the right to do that, they’re from different labels she can’t order them to greet them or talk to them. And I bet if she brung it up to hybe they’d laugh in her face cuz that’s what it is, silly, that’s not mistreatment, that’s the consequences of your actions. And by “proof” the mistreatment would have to actually be mistreatment, another label ignoring you isn’t mistreatment, there’s gonna be some coworkers you might not like but they’d have to do something more significant to actually be reported.
@@ashantythegreat3231 then why didn't they mention what more has happened? Especially if it means that it can help bring Hybe down? I don't think they're afraid of speaking out, because they have clearly spoken out many times before, more than groups like Gidle. So what's stopping them? They don't have more proof of mistreatment than that. If they do, I'll be ready to hear it, because I do wanna support them. Also I'm not on Hybe's side
Hear me out i feel like this whole move is controled by min hee jin and her manipulation...she's tryna shed good light on her using new jeans..she wanted public on her side for her upcoming/future project or wants to be back as the ceo..just a conspiracy
they gave hybe a deadline to reappoint her so i think they have some other move if hybe don't. and this live might be to also rile up some sort of mistreatment/mishandling from hybe's side since it was so unexpected they could make some wrong moves. this will help them to get public sympathy and support and some potential evidences against hybe if they, are somehow thinking they could take this to court and win. it will also make big noises and headlines so the public will know if they are rebranding if they ever left hybe and will keep up with it. as of now i don't think there are any proof for mistreatment of anything like that except the trainee video leaks which i am unsure whether it will help them in court. the facts for the whole live to me, felt very much spoon fed by someone behind the scenes (very likely to be mhj) as there were so many wrong info. like what do you mean you all own the copyrights to the song and not hybe? what about the producers and lyricists who worked on the song? well i do wonder what would happen when the deadline comes though, cuz i don't see any way that hybe is gonna reappoint a traitor.
@@Riya-tm5fs I think they had advice from a lawyer or someone (Min?) who understands about the 2 week deadline. At the end of the 2 weeks they are most likely planning on filing for contract termination on the basis of mistreatment or more that we don't know. They are hoping to get out of the contract without owing all that money. I just can't believe that between the girls they actually think their demands will be met.
One thing to know is that young adults may not "know better", but they certainly can have 100% malice and greed with well thought out plans and 100% intent. I can only accept that they are not very bright, but no way am I foolish enough to think teens and young adults are innocent beings. Negative traits and schemes are developed to a high/polished extent even when you're young. It only takes time to mellow out, and by time it's usually when you're into late 30s or 40s (most never do). So no, they don't get a free pass for 3-4 decades. The only thing I'll give them is that they are ignorant and not very bright. But other than that, teens and young adults don't get a free pass. Children, yes. but at New Jeans's age, no. And before the argument of "you used to call them just kids", no way, never. I never consider teens just kids. Teens only lack knowledge and experience, but other than that, I don't give teens or young adults the "children" free pass. Most adults act as immature as they were then they were teens/young adults, so that logic doesn't fly. Many bad adults were already developed to that extent as a teen and just maintained it. Only some mellow out 30 years later. Every teen is not getting a 3 decades free pass. They only get a pass on lack of knowledge/naivete. For New Jeans, it's a mix of both based on what it looks like.
The youngest member is 16 years old and she is very disrespectful telling her bosses to stay in their lane and addressing their New CEO by her first name when they don't address MHJ that way. Then giving HYBE an ultimatum is crazy😂😂 these girls have been groomed and spoiled so bad by MHJ they have lost touch with reality. MHJ made these girls sabotage there careers for her unacceptable.
It’s crazy that they think their success is because of someone outside of themselves 😮they are the ones who did the work. They are the successful ones.
That’s grooming. MHJ has made Newjeans feel like they’re basically worthless without her. It’s really sad to see because in the Live it’s clear they lack confidence in themselves as artists.
The girls never once said that Min heejin is the sole reason for their success. if you listen and had comprehension skills which a lot of people don’t have, which is why theres so much drama around this issue and so much misinformation and confusion you would understand that what they said is that mhj as their CEO had the creative direction required to accomplish their vision because it aligned with the girls. that’s why there were so much synchronization in the work they were producing and it was very successful. And you guys seem to forget the reason why bsh hired her in the first place it’s because she was highly sought after because that’s what she’s good at. She produced an amazing girl group and if other people could do the things she did, we would see that in the industry, but we don’t. we’ve seen footage that they’ve released that they get along very well with her and their staff. A lot of people don’t seem to understand that theres so much that goes into creating and producing music and content for a person or a group. You lack the right energy and passion, skill set, attitudes etc. you will not end up with a result like NewJeans. they’re not brainwashed or manipulated they’re simply saying that they cannot work the way they want to and they cannot be as successful as they have been the last two years without mhj or someone like her. their only other option is the current CEO that was just instated and they don’t feel safe or protected or comfortable around her. That’s what it’s all about at this point with their live. They don’t want to be at Hyde if they don’t have mhj because they’re only alternative is a woman who made hanni out to be a liar and doesn’t acknowledge them or respect them or listen to their concerns like their previous management did. and I don’t think there’s a problem with that. there wasn’t an issue until mhj’s complaint about internal affairs at Hyde were made public and then they ratted her ass out and went after her. That’s how it all started. I think bangPD is just a nasty petty piece of shit who is bitter and mad about NewJeans success because he wasn’t involved in it and he doubted their concept before the debut and they proved him wrong and he’s pissed because they’re doing better than him. That’s literally what this is all about. It’s so petty. He’s greedy. He literally asked her if she could crush aespa with new jeans. The final nail in the coffin was when mhj complained about hybe basically copying and pasting NewJeans when they released illit. It was so obvious that they wanted to create a new jeans under hive, not under ador so that they could profit from and then get rid of new jeans. All of you people are weirdos because you’re making this about fan wars that’s not what this is about. This is about the girls literally feeling unsafe and ostracized by their company that is supposed to support them and that was never the case since the very beginning.Bsh was extremely jealous and bitter, and didn’t congratulate them on their success when they first came out that’s weird and to be in the hybe building and have another groups manager or staff say out loud to not acknowledge her that’s freaking weird and that would make me very uncomfortable that would be a very scary uncomfortable environment because you’re literally not welcomed there. People don’t like you, even if mhj did all the things that they claim I simply can’t believe a multi billion dollar company that works with people that they do like scooter are morally and ethically sound or above someone like MHJ I think if anything she was caught trying to get bought out by shareholder some kind of investor who wanted to buy ador which is not legal in their contract I believe and the funny thing about that is that she would have every right to want to do that because of how she was treated by hybe. All the broken promises and expectations to kiss up to bsh and take his passive aggressiveness. It’s just like she said you’re dealing with a bunch of nasty middle-aged misogynistic men and that’s not hard to believe in South Korea like let’s be fucking serious right now be real people and then I wouldn’t blame the girls for support because she has done nothing wrong to them to anyone unless complaints from her staff are true then that is a problem because no one wants to work under someone who can be a tyrant boss and not communicate effectively and respectfully, but I don’t think that was the case because if it was, we would have a lot more people coming out and exposing min heejin. At the end of the day, these girls are so successful and a lot of their brand deals aren’t dropping them because in the short time they’ve been in the industry they’ve built such strong ties because they have good character that goes a long way in business. We’ll see how all this goes down and for the record people with common sense know that the girls fully understand what they’re doing and the gravity of the situation they’re not stupid. They know that this can get them blacklisted or kicked out of the company lawsuits, etc. it’s gonna be messy but the girls don’t want to work in a company that is Neglecting and bullying them. It’s not right let’s have some common sense you people are weirdos trying to compare their situation to other groups like this is not a competition be mature.
@@soupafleye people come and go... that's the nature of this industry. Not a single successful musician I know work only with 1 person for their entire career. Ideas are changing, creativity is growing, visions are expanding, experiences are flowing... doesn't matter what the circumtances are, these all are natural process. If it's not grooming, why cling so hard to one person?
@@soupafleyeit’s implied, they talk about her all the time, even at award shows where they’re the ones being given the reward, not her. “We thank our ceo mhj!”, like it’s brainwashing at that point
@@soupafleye what is the issue tho because mhj is still allowed to work with them and be creative director. she’s just not ceo anymore. it shouldn’t matter if what’s important is the vision, the vibes etc
Ik that there's ppl who said that mhjn is manipulating them, but u cannot deny she played well, i mean she included them in everything she explained everything for them, so if hybe comes and treat them like garbage i think they felt like hybe ruined everything, ppl just do not think more deeply about their age and everything, i mean, that wasn't the bes move ever made, but as they said it was the only way to express what they were feeling, it doesn't matter if they were brainwashed or not. I just want the best for them
to be fair, we don't even know if hybe truly treating newjeans like crap. the biggest accusation is from hanni saying people said unfriendly thing to her, but we weren't there. it could just be not saying hi to her in the hallway or that person was merely having a bad day. the fact she brought it up during live as if she's the biggest victim showed how immature and entitled she is. she can easily confronted that person and/or talk it out with him/her instead of publicizing one instance when it has nothing to do with the group. i liked newjeans's music but really don't like their behaviors nowadays. they just seem entitled and narcissistic.
It’s also there FIRST TIME in this industry, with how these companies isolate them I don’t blame them or shame them for still trusting and respecting Min Heejin. I feel like they take their relationship with her like a parent. At times we hated or hate our parents because we overheard them talking shit about you to another family member. Sometimes some of the closest people we love we also share a hate for something they do or say, they wouldn’t be here without her and they feel they owe their unwavering loyalty to her so maybe I’m clueless but why are people hating them for expressing their opinions. They knew what they were risking by speaking up so I support them speaking their mind.
that’s a really a good point. they were isolated and especially with the foreign members, their parents were probably far away most of the time. she might’ve truly become a parental figure to them. on the one hand they probably needed that, on the other… she’s not their mom, she was their boss. even if she did it out of the goodness of her heart, which idk, it creates a blurred relationship
Some from HYBE need to make these girls read the court verdict where they acknowledge, MHJ planned but did not act upon the coup, that's why she didn't get charged. And they are in no position to make that kind of a demand. I get it you don't like your new boss. Newsflash :YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOVE YOUR BOSS" Someone make them understand that it's a contract between Employer and and employees and not mother- daughter.
MHJ is a creep and she shouldn’t have been ceo in the first place, if THAT didn’t happen we wouldn’t be here and if HYBE was more caring then we’d be good tsk.. reality.
Imagine u go to work, and ur coworkers didn’t greet you, and u go to HR to complain about it, and get mad cuz it’s basically a he says she says situation. What did Hanni expect the CEO to do? Reprimand the other employees? How was Hanni so sure that they were talking about her? To be fair, I’d have ignored them too. And that’s my rights. Grow up Hanni.
She said that they told her coworkers not to talk to her, but of course you left out that part to fit your narrative. I’m not taking any sides because we will never know the full story until all sides are shared, but it is a bit odd to tell your coworkers not to greet/talk to someone 🤷🏽♀️. Them breaching their contract to defend #that woman is foolish and naive though and will either get them kicked out of the company, blacklisted, or both.
@@intearnet6926 i am aware that she said a manager told their group to ignore her but how can you prove that to your ceo/boss? Unless she had them say that on camera. I’m not taking ador’s side but I think Hanni’s reaction to this is a bit too much, and shows that she and NJ have been sheltered by MHJ completely. If anything, it was an opportunity to learn and grow but they took it as an insult or at the very least made themselves victims. I do applaude them for being so daring and brave. But you’re right, it’s foolish and will get them in more trouble later on
New jeans should not expect special treatment. They are working , you cannot please everybody. They should grow up. The boss or company will not follow you. As an employee you shpuld be the to follow the company's decision
What kind of voodoo did that woman put on them?!! This is INSANE! 😢 I am very afraid they may be shunned and flat out blackballed behind the scenes. I was SO happy with the comeback, but this is literally a nightmare now 😢
The girls are clearly not 'dumb' to see that they are being isolated and the future of their careers are at a risk at hybe rn, so i think their concerns are totally valid. I mean most of the higher ups of ADOR are being replaced with belift staff and bsh's henchmen (a woman too ig) who have clearly shown they don't have the best interests of the girls in mind (ref to that horrific disaster of belift's 27 min video) . Obviously i don't like mhj, and i do find it sad that the girls seem very reliant on her when she is an egotistical manic at best. HOWEVER considering how the girls have literally been with her since 2021 at the earliest when they were in fact ALL minors, what can you really expect? They are obviously going to stand with the person who seems to be most concerned about 'you' and your career even if that concern is not actually coming from a place of true sincerity. Anyways i'll always stand with the girls as i have a fully developed brain and can understand that they are the victims here, not 'evil minions' not 'bratty' not 'devils' just young girls who have been failed by the adults around them.
4:49 is it really though? They are most likely just doing what MHJ told them to do to have HYBE fire them, that’s the end goal with that live. But as you said they won’t, they will just be thrown into the “dungeon”
MHJ kept dragging NewJeans into the drama on every media platform. Now.... the group will learn what breech of contract means. Companies replace CEO all the time (look at all the american music companies) New management is typical business. Without HYPE, these girls would have never been known internationally.
Every single problem arose from the ego and greed of MHJ. She tried to steal the group and she failed. Now her goal is to destroy the group and she may succeed. The only job of the members was to remain quiet and neutral and let the adults fight with each other. The members failed over and over. First, they took the side of MHJ, who had made herself the enemy of Hybe. Next the members made the video criticizing Hybe and making demands. The group is now damaged beyond repair. None of it was the fault of Hybe. If MHJ simply did her job and did not try to steal the group then everything would be ok.
Put yourself in their shoes, if you were working for a corporation that made you feel unwanted and like shit of course you'd speak up about it too. They've been mistreated since April and the girls even gave examples in their video last night. It's true what they did probably caused more damage on their reputation but it was also brave cause that's not something you'd expect from an idol in korea. They didn't want to be treated unfairly and decided to speak up about it.
@@josh1212121 mistreated how? They had it good, whatever happened now is all MHJ doing it, but they keep blaming everyone else esp hybe. Yes, they were isolated so much by mhj to the point whatever comes out of their mouth are mhj words.
@@yen-8680 That's the closed minded mentality most people have. "It's all MHJ's plan to damage them" or "She's manipulating them to act that way". Everyone wants someone to blame and point a finger to. They need someone to be the bad guy. Yes in this instance MHJ did hybe dirty, but thats not the point, my original point was the girls do not feel safe in the company without her. Actually watch the video they put out, there's one with subtitles. Mistreated how? They had it "good"? You clearly haven't kept up with the girls the past few months. They talk about it subtly on their phoning app and through their comments. They've felt miserable since April. You have no way of saying they've had it "good" LOL
I just want to say, its hard to not trust someone who is the only nice person around them. It really feels like everyone else in hybe(excluding the kpop artists) became their enemies( feeling jealous and more) thats why they only see mhj as a supporter. Who wouldn‘t come on?! If we were in this situation we all would take her side cause she is literally giving them life in this dead place. In fact, who are we to know if she is really manipulating them. I want to only believe a trustworthy, close person of them who says mhj IS manipulating them.
Why would HR pursue a complaint that can’t be backed by evidence? It would be insane to do this. They checked CC TV. NJ acted with extreme disrespect in the way they spoke to and about the new CEO. Definitely not a good look.
Imagine yourself being accused of bullying someone because your brother, sister, bestie, friends, or anyone related to you in some way didn't say hello or didn't show them respect the way they see fit, and everyone is applauding the accuser for "standing up" against you for bullying them when they themselves misinterpreted the situations more often than not. For them to address the new CEO in such a disrespectful manner and for them to make absurd and childish demands should tell you a lot about their attitudes, and perhaps they are being shunned at work is because of their bad attitudes. Why would HYPE mistreat their artists when their artists are the source of their financial gain? Not to mention they investing so much $$$$ into training, marketing, travel expenses, paying people as their managers? People need to remember there are always two sides to a story.
This so upsetting. I love the music that these girls make. I still remember when I first Attention, the goosebumps I had, how much I replayed it; and that goes for their other songs too. They're such a wonderful group, vibrant in their color. I would hate to see their careers die so early on and like this. I pray someone will step up to protect them and guide them properly. Someone who won't take advantage of them and push them in the right direction without exploiting them.
Now this. Plenty of fans, supporters and those who side with MHJ, need to hear this truth. Maybe, hopefully, even the girls themselves need to hear it.
They're not intellectually disabled. They have access to alternative sources of information. They each cleared $3.8 million each last year. They're not victims.
They are victims. Stop with the dumb victim blaming all because you want to side with some companies. NJs can be victims and still defend MHJ. You guys call idols humans until they are humans and are victims. You guys choose your victims.
People scream about treating idols like humans, then harass some girls for experiencing real-life human struggles. The girls have not had a responsible adult to look after them since the beginning of their careers when they were all minors, and even if they weren't, adults can still be manipulated and tricked. These girls were put in the middle of a fight they shouldn't be in at all by both the woman who claims she "cares about them" and a greedy, soulless company. I just hope this ends with them getting the REAL help they need, MHJ blacklisted from the industry, and HYBE ending once and for all, of course, not leaving their artists without careers, but their greed and hunger to take over kpop needs to be stopped
Feel sorry that they're going through this but I think releasing that video is a bad move. If i have a new manager and said I want my old manager back, pretty sure I will lose my job if not within an hour, within the next few days. Also if that's mistreatment for them, imagine how it was like for groups coming from small companies who doesn't even have the advantage they have. I'm no hater but it's hard to sympathize after watching the video. for me it feels like they are also manipulating their fans to pity them and side with them without giving the full details and evidences for their claims of mistreatments and what not
first -- the broadcast was obviously scripted -- if you look closely, there were scripts on the table, and the entire session was practically about min heejin, and insulting hybe, rehashing what min heejin said in her cry conferences. the only beneficiary of the broadcast was min heejin, not newjeans. second -- if it were not so, in any case, it was a prime example of how to ruin your career in the korean entertainment industry: show everyone what ingrates and entitled spoiled unprofessional brats you are, biting the hand the feeds you. crass, no class, and no breeding coupled with having a big attitude problem. all these as artists less than two years since debuting. without the newjeans name and without the resources provided by hybe, let us see how much better they can do on their own. they just red-flagged themselves as artists to avoid in the korean entertainment industry. (CONGRATULATIONS TO SEVENTEEN & LE SSERAFIM FOR WINNING IN THE 2024 MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS!)
Sure did.. watched only 1 second . But then again Who benefits from this "live" and who looses ; or maybe you are offended from my comment like hanni ... what don't you go "live" haahhaahahahahha
They basically said to hybe"we don't need you, you need us, so you better listen. " They are turning themselves into poison pill for HYBE. Ultimately it comes down to valuation of the band, so they have to pay less when they move to terminate the contract.
no they didn’t what ??? 😭😭 The girls saying they don’t feel heard after the whole situation happened, and they don’t know who to trust/believe anymore (which is COMPLETELY understandable because both sides are screwing them over) isn’t them saying Hybe needs them. What they NEED is an adult in their life who has their best interest at heart, yall need to stop making assumptions about these girls character all that does is start mindless hate trains.
@@ang3lie that isnt a baseless assumption about their character, that is literally just what they said in a nutshell. they said to 'make the wise choice of bringing back mhj until the 25th', that is literally a threat. i cant with yall, omg. its fine if you are a fan of them but dont be ignorant. they said some insanely entitled things. and whether they were manipulated to say that is another thing, but dont pretend like they were just having a sleepover sharing their feelings. this thing was textbook manipulation, nothing else, and its scary so many of you dont see that.
@@ajlee2168 “they said more insanely entitled things” No they didn’t..? The MAIN purpose of the live was to talk about their experiences and why they wanted MHJ back. How does Them saying ‘bring back MHJ before the 25th or we’ll (most likely) leave’ make them believe their better then Hybe and entitled brats (and I’m using the word brats because that’s what a lot of people in this comment section especially are calling the girls) OP jumped to the assumption that they girls basically said ‘we don’t need you, you need us, you better listen’ (in those exact words) which IS making an assumption about the girls character (that they believe their bigger/better then hybe) When in the actual live the girls are scared they’re going to forgotten and ignored by Hybe, and want MHJ back as CEO because they feel like she listens and understand them (Which is GROOMING and mhj shouldn’t be allowed near those girls)
The least they can do is to say 'thank u' for opportunity, investment, music to hybe who put tons of money for them. Now they demand more things just for b*tch who got fired. LMAO 😂
These girls are so audacious to believe that they have the right, or power to make demands or place an ultimatum on the head of Hybe. I do not believe that they did this on their own, this reeks of MHJ . These girls need to learn appreciation and humility. They also need to learn why they are so disliked by everyone at Hybe, and this little stunt will only make it worse on them. I am sure they just ended any chance of a major career. No other company is going to want to deal with them or MHJ. And MHJ will never spend the money on them like Hybe did, even if she had it- which she does not.
I agree. There will need to be a after MHJ for the girls if they want to truly continue their career. The only problem is that Hybe is not the best place to continue at. MHJ is bad but throughout all of this Hybe has shown how they are just as bad. The girls are still young and they need a a support system to help separate them from MHJ. We’ve all seen the relationship the girls and MHJ have. Hybe has witnessed it longer and they’ve done nothing to address it. My heart broke hearing everything that the girls are currently going through right now and it’s also very frustrating to hear. Hybe has a chance to prove that they are trustworthy adults who also have the girls best interest in heart but instead they treat the girls like this 🤦🏽♀️ All Hybe is doing at this point is proving to the girls that all the lies they were told are correct and that MHJ is the only one that cares.
I think hybe dropped it by allowing mhj to get this brazen. But other than that… they are responding like a company should imo. It maybe not ‘motherly’ like how the girls used to.. but it’s what normal people go tru. Adjusting is not comfortable definitely but if these girls can detach from mhj.. they will be okay, things will move on .
@@yen-8680but about what hanni had said about the new ador ceo not addressing the icing out of her to other groups, that’s now how to resolve a situation
@@bluedays6794It’s being said the whole ignore them comment was made before the new ceo. We will have to get that confirmed from both sides though. Besides there’s an ongoing battle, involving other labels. If they said the manager was being rude directly to them I would agree, but that’s not the case. They also stated they did have a meeting with the new ceo. Their main issue is that they want MHJ as ceo.
@@bluedays6794 it's so stupid. it's like complaining your coworker or boss didn't say hi to you in the hallway. but we weren't there, her perception may not be the reality.
Somebody sayd something that really put things is perspective. NJs says in the live they found out about MHJ not being the CEO anymore through an article which really hurt them because the company didn't say it directly to them first. The thing is miss girly MHJ knew she'd lost her position and didn't bother to tell the girls she sees as her own children?! The women knew this would hurt the girls, you can't convince me she didn't want them to be angry and hurt about this
I am wondering what your opinion is on the financial troubles over at YG, and how they are liquidating so many assets, because of the 2.5 billion in bad debt they have because of the Black Pink Tour? It appears that all those rumors of the company having to give away tickets, to make it look like the concerts were sold out were not rumors after all.
Kpop Stan’s be like: NewJeans are groomed and brainwashed they need therapy. Also kpop stans be like : that manager was right, I wouldn’t want my idols around them. Kpop Stan’s Kpop stans: And new ador was right for ignoring their cry for help they had no evidence. My opinion: First of all if you think someone is groomed isn’t the best way is to show them affection and love so that they feel they don’t need the groomer anymore? But what is Hybe stuff and New Ador management doing ? They are discriminating against the girls. New ador could have assured the girls they would look into it and do something but they dismissed them making the girls feel indeed MHJ and the old Ador staff are the only ones who cared about them. One thing is for sure these girls don’t trust Hybe and we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. Remember how powerful Hybe is
There is no such incidents or problem before new jeans or ador come into hybe this is why hybe didn't debut lots of girl groups then hybe was peaceful until new jeans debut. The girls dig their own grave
I’m surprised that the members are ready to call it quits, I don’t believe the members did this conference on their own. MHJ should’ve been supportive and step down so the girls can continue their careers, but instead she is going to take them down.
Maturity doesn't comes with age. It comes with environment. They suffered their and they know better than we people which are thinks that we know better than them who are themselves victims.
So I'm an outsider to this group and just got into New Jeans. What attracted me to this group is their fun, fresh, happy and care free attitude in all their songs. I always thought this came from MHJ. I guess I'm wrong? If it's not MHJ, where did it come from? New Jeans I found very uniquely have these traits unlike most groups out there. If that cannot be returned then the concept of New Jeans won't last. It's their bread and butter. Any ideas, I'm genuinely curious?
the point of their live is that they dont feel safe and they dont feel like theyre being heard. in all the other labels, theyre being overworked and mistreated. le sserafim are having their FIRST break after crazy. they havent rested since debut. newjeans have long breaks with their family after every comeback and regularly get enough rest. they have creative freedom. they get to work on their music, write their own songs and release them to the public. they make plenty of money and regularly donate it to charities. having hybe step in and take that all away is a huge shock and theyre not going to tolerate it, which they shouldnt since this is what an artist should have. artists shouldnt just be pretty faces that do whatever a fat ugly man tells them because he wants bigger pockets that he blows on mansions. i fully support newjeans and them standing up against hybe and i hope that this starts a revolution that the kpop industry needs to stop treating idols like slaves.
@@luvava9802 where did LSFM say their being overworked? Do you have a source or did you just assume that. Anyways, Hybe has underworking their groups before (Obivously Formis_9 is who I’m talking about) The Newjeans girls are literally scared they’re going to forgotten and ignored by Hybe. So I agree with you
@@ang3lie seems like my old reply got taken down bc i had a link, but chaewon did an interview and was talking about how shes going on an 8 day trip with her family after crazy promotions and that its their first time being given a break since debut. not giving idols a break for almost 3 years is overworking them in my opinion.
i feel bad for them like the situation is fucked up... on the business pov hybe is doing a correct job. but since they want mhj so bad... i have no words... waiting for hybe response...
They hate MHJ, and now that they know the girls are on her side-whether groomed or not-the hatred toward MHJ has been transferred to NewJeans. Suddenly, Hybe, Bang, and Juice Seyeon are all seen as angels now.
@@VisibleMRJ nope.. just returning the hate that was given to other groups by their fandom and they keeping silent about that but voicing to bring a thief in again. hope u have the humanity to understand this
@@VisibleMRJthey get what they deserve. Did they empathised with SouMu when left them behind falling in depts? Now that they’re bound by contracts they want people to corner HYBE to initiate the contract termination or make MHJ the owner of ADOR. This drama is getting out of hand and you guys are trusting some untrustworthy people.
@@hrishikeshsarma738 You clearly don’t know what humanity is if you think hating on idols is okay because it’s ‘returning’ the energy Bunnies gave to other fandoms. Newjeans isn’t responsible for the hate other idols received and can’t control their fandom. It’s hypocritical to think that and not give the same energy to boy groups (a GREAT example of this is when bangchan talked about disrespectful junior groups and fans just assumed they were talking about IVE. The IVE girls got death threats while stray kids got off scott-free) In an industry like Kpop, speaking out about ‘causing’ other group hate trains (it was really MHJ who involved other groups ) is basically nonexistent.
@@VisibleMRJ arent you tired of these strawmens? no one thinks hybe etc. are angels. they are just objectively in the right in this *legal battle.* yall forget that this is NOT about petty fanwars. you can hate all sides, the fact remains that mhj is the worst of them, shes the main culprit, period. you can only sympathize with the members for so long, before you have to take them accountable as well. nuance is dead with yall.
I remember certain fandoms so against Hybe and mhj but now the same fandoms are supporting them all because they're against hybe. I wish kpop stans would think for once. Remember all this started because Mhj tried to steal adore .
@@ozmer Both. You don't know what happened to NJs since they haven't shared it yet. 😭 Idk why people always discredit victims. This is textbook victim blaming 😦
@@ashantythegreat3231 Yes, I agree. This video and most of the whole comment section is the prime example of victim blaming. It's disgusting to see. Can't we stay neutral in fact we don't even know the whole truth from both sides. If someone is risking their whole career to say something, don't you think they have some serious point to make?
@@opinionisjustopinion6599what part of this is victim blaming? the creator explicitly says that they are young and should not be blamed for the fact that mhj groomed them
not standing with hybe nor mhj, justice for all the artists/groups who are involved in the middle of the feud. #justicefornewjeans #justiceforillit #justiceforyoungseo #justiceforgaram #justiceforaespa
I don't blame them for wanting mhj back and missing her, at the end of the day, mhj is the only adult here outside their parents that they feel they can trust and the only adult on that company that they feel that cares about them, manipulation or not, imagine being on their shoes, suddenly everyone on your workplace hates you and the only higher up you've felt that could help you is gone now. They might not be weak children anymore, but they are normal girls on this nasty world of millionaire ceo fighting for dominance, not caring about their employees.
I feel like dismissing the fact they've been groomed and manipulated for years because "they are adults now" isn't right and people using this as an argument are doing something, dare I say, dangerous. Adults can be manipulated too and manipulation should always be taken into account, especially when speaking of young adult in the entertainement industry. That aside, doing a livestream wasn't the best move they could've done. I know people are going to disagree with me, but since that whole MHJ vs HYBE started, I always thought it will end with NewJeans either disbanding, changing their line-up or completly changing their concept (both music and apparence wise). Because NewJeans is a "creation" of Min Hee-Jin, and the girls are tied to her, HYBE would want to get rid of them as they are right now. And that's why I'm sure part of what they are saying (new managements being dismissive of them, being ignored by staff and their labelmates being told to distance themselves) are true. While I don't think defending Min Hee-Jin is the correct move, I can see why the girls thought they have to do what they did. I honestly hope it won't end in another Fifty-Fifty situation.
at the end of the day, NJ are responsible and only NJ are responsible for own careers. HYBE does not care nor should it, NJ is cog in the HYBE money making machine. If the cog is broken, you try to fix it (remove MHJ) and if it is still broken, throw it out and replace with a new cog. At this point it does not matter if the are the victims or the architect of this whole mess, they must live with the consequences of their actions
illit is the new cog and it feels kind of weird how they are trying to make illit seem like natural friends how newjeans members are with each other when it just feels so forced imo.
This situation is infuriating and it just shows us not only how powerless we are as fans, but how we know nothing about what’s happening behind closed door. Being on the outside but witness the very real mistreatment they’re going through is… Makes me never wanna listen to music or watch Tv ever again 😭
@@luvvs.tillanieaccording to them. Mhj knew. The girls claimed that she had no idea but an article came out where mhj said she told them not to do it. Who can we believe?
Be careful who watches your children (though the parents probably are more in it for the money). The channel and live stream they did was an easy move to get their contract terminated. There is a good chance MHJ has skewed the members' reality. I hope the member's will see that. If for some unimaginable reason MHJ is CEO again (assuming obviously with less power) I hope those who know her toxicity keep record with it and all MHJ's actions is transparently given to the girls so they can truly see MHJ decisions so they can make a better judgment for themselves. I am sure there are people in Adore who know the true factors and are too afraid to say anything based on the power of MHJ and probably culture. The girls' are just her chess pieces for her to get her way. SM dodged a bullet with her. She is clearly too messy to deal with. It is better for her to start her own company, but I bet she lacks the capability to handle it. She is probably very controlling and has an unhealthy narcissistic obsession of recognition whether it was her doing or not. The other sad part is that HYBE is also probably just as bad, but I would take a crappy company that I could leave than stay with an individual like MHJ because it most likely entered their personal life as well.
Idc if they’re manipulated or not but the problem started with Min Hee Jin when she wanted to take ADOR over along with NewJeans which was HYBE subsidiary and owned 80% which mhj have no right to take it. I am disappointed with the girls for defending her but I will still love and listen to their music
Just because NewJeans is capable of making their own decisions doesn’t mean MHJ and HYBE allow them to do so. They learned about MHJ stepping down as CEO from a news report like I highly doubt that any of the girls are taking part in whatever decision making is going on.
But for real we don't know the real conditions that they had/have to endure in hybe. There have been references of them being ostracized even before the scandal. What if Min had really always been their support, their guardian and defender against the adversity? After she left if they received a safe amount of assurance and guide from the new ador management that might have changed things somewhat but with them (Ador) forcibly deleting their content, not fiending aid towards concerns and problems being reported by newjeans to them, and the probable ostracization that must really be progressively happening and evolving because we know that by now hybe won't have the best intentions for them, it's normal that they might feel threatened and on the edge hence brash actions. Either way i still do think that this was a huge risk. If Min heejin really loved them she should have pushed them to keep a neutrality instead of probably having them burn with her. But at the same time, still not knowing the integral part of what their going through maybe in their eyes it's a way of defending themselves. Let's see how it goes with them having given an ultimatum. The 25th is near. Either way it seems weird to us because we are used to people being censured concerning whatever they may be dealing with within the industry. This took courage. Risky? Yes. Furthermore i saw an official post of hybe debunking Hanni's claims. They said that the event where the manager said to an other hybe group to ignore Hanni happened 3 months ago? That they checked the footage and nothing happened and they had mutually greeted each other?? Bro, hanni said that after the incident she reported it to the current Ador director. The director only took office this month...They haven't refuted the fact that it was reported to the current director right but they chose to accentuate the fact that it was done months ago when the feud was at it's peak, thus "justifying" the act. But the current Ceo wasn't there 3 months ago. So...idk something shady is happening... Please Newjeans issued a cry for help literally. Bunnies let's not let them down.
Your brain stops developing at around your late 20s, that white lady that you showed pissed me off. I have been brain washed and manipulated my whole life by an abusive family until I moved out. These girls do not know what's going on or know any better still. I agree with your video and glad you spoke about this.
Another day, another HYBE fiasco/scandal. I was hoping to go through a week without hearing anything from HYBE, but at this point its like expecting the sun to come out. HYBE always finds a way to be in the center of some kind of fiasco/scandal.
mhj is still in the company i still dont understand why they still want her as ceo. like gurl to demand something to ur boss. damn😂. every employee is replaceable. u came in when ur company have everything, i think this girl need the bts treatment when they just started up. shared room, basic food. like damn.
The thing is the girls will keep feeling mistreated no matter what because MHJ is not coming back. In reality Min can’t plan a company take down for literal years and cause massive hate trains against other idols in the company and get rewarded by getting back her CEO position. But sadly the girls and kpop Stan’s don’t understand that. The NJ members are always gonna hate anyone who went against their “mother”. I mean Min has proved she is not mentally stable or mature enough for that kind of power. And those poor girls are gonna crawl through broken glass for a woman that’s shaman could have told her she sees the devil in them and then Min would have cut them from the group for it. It’s actually crazy and sad. I want the girls to be happy but Min has done so much damage she just can’t come back.
I feel like hybe is trying to replace nj success in the west using lsf since lsf opportunities right now is more reasonably should belong to nj since they have way more impact in the west. Lsf isn't still a big thing in the west for real so it was shocking they kinda have all these achievements left and right when they were barely talked about in the west during their coachella. So it's prolly hybe erasing nj for good. Too bad, nj had such major potential for western success.
I think both groups have had a major impact in the west. Pls don't underestimate lsfm's own achievements, they gained success in the west on their own accord.
@@incarosen6343sorry but i don't agree. Lsf doesn't have much impact in the west. It's obvious they're being sponsored and pushed by a big company. Which isn't wrong,.since this is still business. Groups from big companies with great connections tend to succeed. Let's just stop marketing as if lsf are so organic they did it all by themselve coz at the end of the day, being hybe artist will still be a major factor in their success. That's reality.
@@Catnip3207 alright i guess we can agree to disagree. I'm not denying that lsfm's success doesn't have everything to do with the huge company behind them, but I disagree with the idea that nwjns is bigger in the west than lsfm bcos that's not what I've seen personally.
@@Catnip3207 I see what your saying but lsf has had slow organic progress in the west since last year with the release of "Perfect Night". NJ's and lsf are very popular girl groups that are working both the korean and west music scene.
You shouldn't shade any group like that they are slow grow is the best way to grOw now nj is know in west I accept it but there eraa is over now as u can see from their recent album If you are shading other groups that not right evryone has slow progress sometimes and slow process artists stays long as BTS as TXT as iu as blackpink just don't judge they won't vma even and they will get success
I don't see people talking about the hand Hybe had into all this, at this point seems like for the girls Hybe has become a mobbing environment so the more they feel ostracized inside Hybe the more they will keep feeling protected by who they have known and work with for the longest. I fear Hybe will probably keep them on hiatus till the disbandment, while they could have as a company helped the girls adjust to the changes little by little. The better way I can describe it is: A kid that grow up with one parent and all of a sadden a judge decide to take the kid from the only home they ever knew and put them in custody of the other parent, their confusion is legitimate, and they are young, I don't understand why Hybe didn't put in action ways to help the transition better and even people that talk about the all situation from an external view point seems that all dismiss the girls discomfort at interacting with anyone on Hybe, and Hybe hand in creating an environment that doesn't feel safe for them. Also seems to me that a lot of people talk about grooming etc as a way to dismiss every legitimate concern the girls have worded out in their live. The reality that NJ members have an extreme relationship with MHJ does not cancel out each and every talking point they made against Hybe, two things can be true at the same time. MHJ can be manipulating them and Hybe can be a toxic environment for them. I have a lot of empathy for this girls, and this is what everyone around them is deeply lacking
Now they’re doing too much What an act?? They want everything name, fame, dorms, luxury given by company but don't want company. that's not gonna work girls. Either leave hybe and pay penalty or leave with min hee jin. There's no other choice They know actually everyone know that without HYBE & BTS they will never ever be this far Stop acting like this such a drama queens If you don't like HYBE then leave It is high time to Disband Bye bye New Jeans No more drama that's all we want
People are really harsh here, I feel it's a big step for idols to talk for themselves. They just did what they felt right. Whether there's manipulation or not, Hybe's problems shows that it's just intricately a terrible company. Being proactive like they did is a true gamble, they had to take the risk so they won't regret about staying silent and still while they were being mistreated. I cannot agree with all the people saying they distroyed their career or that they are naive. Netizens perception is random, one day the group is popular the other day it isn't, it is too volatile to be able to predict. Standing for ones beliefs is truly rare nowadays with all the brainwashing and invisible leashes that doesn't make sense. People should'nt be shocked to see celebrities speak up? They're humans and have rights to have opinions and express themselves. I personally support them because they are truly victims of injustice here. The fact that they did that press conference don't change the fact that they are innocent. I don't see how people turn their backs because of this. They still are victims trying to fight injustice. They showed that they're no scaredy cat hiding in their corner and want to be part of their future, not just following "adults" deciding their future and agreeing like puppets without having their words.
i think they just want things to go back to normal. but they can't. i understand that though, because this is an incredibly stressful situation that has been going on for a while and they are young, if i were in their situation i would honestly feel the same, they think that having min heejin back as their CEO would bring everything back to how it was before, before this scandal and everything, but it won't.
I feel bad for the girls but the sept 25th date is way to specific for young girls to even know bout that? I’ve been saying nwjns are not mature , they haven’t even experience the real world yet some of them are literally mid puberty , they are brave for speaking out , the adults around them have failed them , mhj for being manipulative and immature, and hybe for not protecting them as much as their other groups and the only reason they are not doing it because of their close involvement with with mhj m I hope the best for new jeans , I hope they are caring for their mental health , and I hope they are actually doing this out of their own Will because I do think mhj is behind this in some way
What spoiled little girls. They are going to learn the hard way that they are not as important as they think they are. In the real world a 16 year old girl does not tell her boss what to do. New Jeans in in the music business they do not have the know how to run a company and as an adult I am offended by a 16 year old who thinks she should tell her bosses to stay in their lane and she will stay in her lane. How about she just takes the time to learn the business before she tells others what to do
Yeah I believe what they did is brave and incredibly stupid. Breaching your contract and commiting defamation publicly is not the right way. They should have followed the loona way if they are feeling really mistreated but I guess the lack of real adult guidance and care lead to this.
i don’t care about huber or mine heejin, cuz THEY ALL HAD THIER PART TO PLAY, new jeans was caught in the crossfire of all this, i don’t care but new jeans are the victims, i will never see them as villain, they will be victims to greed,manipulation,mistreatment etc. all i care about is the well-being for these girls, and i don’t think either min heejin nor hybe can do that, they need to find something different. people talk about this like hybe is the better alternative which they aren’t.people truly need to stop smearing these girls like they are the villains cuz from every single perspective they are victims. it’s either manipulation from min heejin or being manipulated by hybe, at the end of the day those girls are gonna be manipulated i just wish these girls the best i really do, i wish for them to come out of this strong and i wish for fans and other fandoms to go do ur research and make up ur own minds about everything, don’t make assumptions and make them out to be true and smear the girls and others this whole this just reminds of parents fighting and the kids are watching and they involve u. i don’t care what the parents are fighting about, all i care about is the children’s well being and that it
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They are not kids. All Kpop groups are young they need to start acting like professionals. Do they know that no other companies want to deal with drama Queens, do they know there are other young groups waiting to take their place. Put your big girl panty on and act professional. You do know you can be put on a shelf and the public forgets easily, you are not the greatest group of all time
While I wouldn't go so far as to characterize Min Heejin as a groomer, she definitely modeled bad behaviour for the girls when she went public with her dispute with HYBE in last spring's tearful news conference. This pushed HYBE into firing her because it would have caused the company to lose face if it didn't. And now, six months later, rather than learn the lesson of Min's mistake, the girls themselves have done their own version of the tearful news conference. Since there is no way that HYBE will capitulate to the ultimatum the girls make to reinstate Min as CEO by Seltember 25, it seems likely that NewJeans' career is essentially over. This is a shame because the more mature strategy would have been for them to accept that Min is gone and to work hard on their art with the creative teams still available to them. Who knows? They might have found even greater fulfillment as artists by taking greater responsibility for the work they produce, rather than look solely to Min. Instead they've burned their bridges. The long hiatus everyone has been fearing has become inevitable.
Tell me one K-pop group that isn’t groomed by their agency. Kids literally start training at the age of 10 in South Korea. I don’t know why you are blind to the HYBE media manipulation. The whole situation seems to me like an outsider telling a fully grown child that everything their parents tell them is a lie and that they have been groomed. We can only hope to know half of the things these idols go through. Now, an idol group is voicing their thoughts and opinions on what’s been going on. Instead of giving them a listening ear and hearing what they actually have to say, people are out here saying they are sabotaging their careers and that they are groomed. You all advocate for speaking up, yet when they speak, you don’t listen. If you listened to this live stream at all, the very first thing they said was that no one was aware of it. And lastly, if you think the kids are too young to understand, what about their parents? Do you really think they don’t know what’s going on? Do you think any parent will leave their minors in the hands of someone who doesn’t want the best for them? Or would you say the parents are groomed by MHJ as well? I’m sorry, you all have been played and manipulated by HYBE so badly it’s clouding your judgments.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG no the international fans are attacking NewJeans calling them stupid etc for back mhj. Korean fans are understanding of mhj and situation. The international fans are running with calling mhj a pedo which imo is so absurd.
@@tuesdayjanae3676 Korean fans called MHJ a feminist icon... Don't talk Also no it's not absurd. If you think it's normal to have the studio situation she had them we need to check on you too. Also many of us aren't calling them stupid. It's a stupid move.
@@tuesdayjanae3676 the studio situation is when min heejin posted a pic of her studio. In her studio their is multiple disturbing pics such as art of posters of movies glorifying pedophila, having art of child actors n^d3, etc. You can still find the videos and koreaboo did a thing about it hays still up which will explain each pic as in the movie it is OR who the child actress is.
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"These are barely grown women...who have been groomed..." yes 100% exactly. I hope the members can get out oft their contracts, take a break from the entertainment industry and get the mental help and support they need.
they’re not grown women at all. 4/5 of them are hardly even legally adults let alone cognitively or psychologically. but yeah i agree with you
@VG24601Professionals need to intervene. Most victims of gr00ming never realize they were actually gr00med until they are faced with it upfront by people who know what they're doing. This is coming from experience by the way. I had no idea about my situation until my therapist informed me that a relationship that I thought was just "a little uncomfortable, but otherwise fine" was really something that had been subconsciously haunting me for years. They need support.
their family who are quite active in this situation are not children
@@oli-iq1yx they do have depth to their thinking levels, dont judge their intellect based on their age, im in my 20s,i used to think teenagers are not sharp cuz their prefrontal cortex is not fully developed but some people are smart from early age, emotionally and cognitively, i think you guys are operating on preconceived notions, forming a comment based on what appear to be but not what actually is, assuming things based on what you don"t know instead of real information
@@Harry17Awesome i understand what you mean but i’m saying this as someone who is about the same age as danielle and haerin. kids and teenagers and young adults (however you wanna refer to that age range) can be absolute geniuses, we all know that. but that’s not something we can depend on and say “hey let’s put them in situations even people in their 30s would have a rough time in”. it’s a good prerogative to give them the benefit of the doubt which in this case is saying that how they are being treated is not acceptable or appropriate; not only because they are extremely young but also because they are humans and they are employees. i hope this doesn’t come across as rude because i respect and understand your opinion quite a bit!
I feel like everyone's ignoring the parents involvement. Lets be real if they're parents weren't eating up everything MHJ said the girls would have a different outlook. The girls aren't just manipulated by MHJ but their parents too. They have MHJ in the left ear and the parents in right ear.
Exactly.
This situation is very different from fifty fifty like seriously I think international fans are manipulated by hybe every1 in Korea support new jeans in this when they reacted very differently to fifty fifty
@@meou_meou it's literally the same as 5050. Mhj took notes and thought that she'd be special just because she's at the helm of a big group like NJ...
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Yes, MHJ groomed their parents. 🤦♂
Imagine being in the girls' shoes. Every other Hybe girl group gets criticized for their performance, and now the parent company has sent in new people-likely the same ones who managed those criticized groups-to take care of you and your friends. If I were in their position, I’d probably be doing the same thing, without any grooming. But who knows, maybe MHJ groomed me too!
The downfall of ador and newjeans is something was not on my 2024 bingo card
Ikr. Everyone was talking about the downfall of hybe instead😂.
regardless of manipulation, they are ultimately still responsible for their own behavior. It can help explain behavior, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Especially the older members who are adults, the younger ones I can sympathize with a bit more
the fact that these adults cant deal these situations maturely is just sad hope the girlies can get into a better position
I think the adults in hybe is very corporate, but the other one tho.. all the drama & mess she caused..
true
Stop it. I hate when we look down on Newjeans and treat them like some 10year old child. Please remember this is Newjeans job / life. Making music, dancing ect. They have spent years and years to be where they are. They are allowed to have a saying in this cause its about them. This whole thing is not something to do with "adults". Its about 1 man that got humiliated and is jealous. Remember they didnt like or believed in MHJ concept thats why she got handed her own studio. On contract she was going to debute the first gg in hybe, but they did her dirty. When ATTENTION got dropped out of nowhere and became a succesful HIT. The humilation started and that 1 person got jealous and wanted some kind of destruction of MHJ and NJ. *Enter Illit.. it all started here. The trap, the lies and misinformation being spread by Hybe and their toxic fandoms that was a pawn in the plan to be used by hybe. Cause they know what kind of hatful raid they can do and to make them self look like they are in the good. Now Hybe managed to change Ador and sabotaging from the inside. THE ONLY PERSON that was protecting NJ was MHJ. SHE WAS AND IS THE "ADULT". All you see now is comments (by the toxic fandoms) about how bad MHJ is, how she is manipulating the girls ect and media only showing picture of MHJ crying, making her look like a crazy person. CAN you imagine how frustated MHJ must be after what she built with NJ. The SUCCESS she accomplished in only 2 years... and all ruin with lies after lies and misinformation.. just to ruin her. because someone got humiliated and is jealous. This live video now will be a BIG moment in kpop history. I hope other artist or idols speaks out. we need a change! ♥MHJ ♥NJ ♥BUNNIES ❤FIGHTING!!❤
The fact that the live was not taken down and is still there, shows they have been patient with the girls.
@@BigDaddyMacc Then she should just pay the termination amount and take NJ with her,how can she leave her daughters behind.but saying HYBE had no part in their success, is like saying like parents don't play any part in their child success. She had the concept hybe provided the rest, so she can mould them to what they have become.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that, regardless of age, regardless of manipulation, they are ultimately still responsible for their own behavior. It can help explain behavior, but it does not absolve you of consequences. Many things can be true at once.
But then again, I wouldn't shame them for being manipulated
I feel like, when it comes to manipulation, it’s the one situation where this take doesn’t fully apply.
Because how do you expect someone to make a good decision on a situation if an outside source has warped their reality so much, that their actions are being influenced by that reality.
It’s almost like asking someone under a spell or a curse to somehow still be able to properly operate outside of that spell or curse.
It doesn’t make sense. Yes they’re adults, but they’re adults under manipulation. They’re not fully operating out of the free will that you and I are operating out of.
They’re under a spell of the mind. Their reality and our reality are two separate things, because of Min Heejin.
Like Newjeans doesn’t have a peripheral vision anymore, they only see Min Heejin.
@@OnlyLilynn44 I completely hear what you’re saying and I do agree to an extent. But consider, this, and this is obviously an extreme example, but people escape cults. Like straight up locked in a compound with no access to any information but what the leader tells you and people are still able to go “somethings not right” and escape. And some people under the control of the cult go on to do terrible things. Those people are still held legally responsible for their behavior. NewJeans are not in a cult. MHJ is not a cult leader. They have cell phones with internet access. They have the ability to read and understand as much as they want. They’ve consulted lawyers. They are in contact with their families and friends outside who can also access all the same information. Now, is it difficult for people to break out from under controlling people? Especially when you’ve been under them for a large part of your formative years? Absolutely. Should we have compassion for the situation that they are under? Absolutely. But does that mean they get a get out of jail free card for the behaviors they make? No. But should the consequences take into account the fact that they are in a unique situation? Yes.
its exactly THIS! that people need to understand.
@@OnlyLilynn44 it still applies 100%. when you are so drunk that you cant think logically anymore (under a spell as you said) and then get into a car and crash into things, you are still responsible for the damage you've done, no matter how powerful that 'curse' of alcohol had clouded your brain. this is a similar argument to the 'its not my fault, i did it because of my mental illness.' as stated above, both can be true at once. people can be under all sorts of 'spells' that cloud their judgement or twist their view of reality, but at the end of the day they will still always be responsible for their own actions.
I feel bad for the girls, I do think it was a bad idea to make that live. I do also think that the people hating on new jeans lack compassion and empathy is pretty obvious that they have been groomed and manipulated emotionally since their were young. Because thats not a normal relationship between a Ceo and their employees it seems that there were no boundaries set by Min heejin. I wished min heejin actually protected the girls. I do wonder who was behind that camera while they were speaking, or maybe there was nobody.
there was a script that was followed and staff behind the camera.
@@hrishikeshsarma738i mean of course they had scripts, no one says anything serious without a script, to have coherent thoughts, instead of a jumbled mess, and they said that they had a trusted staff member help them
Heavy on the lack of compassion or empathy.
Even if the girls were being manipulated, from their perspective, they believed that MHJ was someone whom they claim protected and treated them well, and they appreciated her for it. Then, one day she was was ousted and replaced with strangers, leading to a drastic shift in the workplace culture. I'm sure that if many people were in the same situation -- working for someone that they actually like to working with a jerk -- they would probably feel the same way as the girls. I'm not defending MHJ or her manipulation of the girls either. I'm just saying -- they've always been in support of MHJ so from their perspective, they lost someone they valued.
Even if most people would not publicly risk their job (or in some cases -- their own lives) to call out their company for bad workplace culture, I still applaud the girls for having the courage to stand up for themselves and do what they thought was right. If a company is treating their employees badly then they should be reprimanded, and we shouldn't condemn people for bringing awareness to it.
@@starsnoireart nope just getting the hate returned that dear CEO spread. if I was a manager of a group I would also tell my groups to stay away. was he rude? yes. did he do a right job? yes
If they didn’t make that live then it’d be K-pop dark history of being controlled by their company. Honestly they’re rewriting K-pop by actually being able to stand up for themselves
I feel like what the members crave is just stability. everything is changing around them, they don't feel like their voice is heard. and this has been going on for over 6 months. Just because you're grown adult or are an employee doesn't mean that this type of work environment won't affect you. And yes the manipulation of MHJ def has a big roll as well. But lets not forget that hybe doesn't really take idols mental heath in mind when they are making decisions. lets not forget that before being an employee, they are humans FIRST. I'm sick and tired of people telling others to just shut up and take it because it's 'work' or 'business'.
At the moment these girls need an adult in their lives who actually has their best interest in mind and that they will trust. because working in an place where you can't trust anyone is not a great environment to work in.
The adults in their lives really failed them, and it shows.
I also find it very weird how everyone just goes and attack newjeans.. like first you wanted idols to speak up against their company for the mistreatment.. but then when idols actually speak.. you get mad because 'how dare you bite the hand that feeds you'???
There is a right place and time for everything. Breaching your contract and commiting public defamation is not it. They should have taken it to court if they feel like they are really being mistreated like what loona did and won.
I have heard that Hybe is a really crappy company too and doesn’t take care of their artists.
you summarised this amazingly, i couldnt have put this better
@VG24601 absolutely not. they need stability. but def not under MHJ. As i said, someone with their best interest in mind, which is obviously not MHJ.
@@melody3761 their company is STABLE, they just need to accept the change, lol arent staff changing in all companies
They’re standing up for a thief trying to steal a whole company who has been abusing them as well it’s a really sad sight to see
Saying that is too much, she just wanted to actually OWN what she created aka Ador
@@Lizardlarry2000 yeh like she would have done if hybe didn't launch ador nor spent on their promotions and deals.
@@Lizardlarry2000 Lol. Ador was created by Hybe. She didn't spend a single penny of her on Ador or NJ.
@@Lizardlarry2000 she didn't put a dime in ador she worked as a creative director and hybe is keeping that position for her though before hybe appointed her as ceo in the company they still own most of the shares even her shares are bang's shares cause he lended her the money and I don't think she payed him back yet so he can cancel her shares as well
She's the one stealing from hybe not the opposite 🤦♀️🤦♀️
And the company is so terrible they aren’t saying we want to leave but we want to be left alone. But your not alone because hybe pretty much owns ador
I’ll be honest I truly do not understand how Hybe has become the only one to do bad in some people’s opinions and that is insanely wrong. I’ll point out the min heejin was honestly the instigator of the big portion of the drama she brought all the other groups down and cause much harm to others. She constantly said her reason was to defend her group at the expense of others.
in some peoples opinions min heeding had done all the wrong and not hype, look at the comments for example, most are about min heejin
@@bluedays6794 because she is the bigger evil, its very simple.
@@ajlee2168 they are both evil, u say bigger evil like this is some disney movie , they both need had their parts to play
The ppl dragging the drama in public is mhj and nj… nobody else… I’m not defending hybe but you right! When ppl say “hybe needs to pay for everything they did!” I’m like what exactly they did? Like changing the ceo? Accusing mhj of branching the company? Like what exactly they did? Mhj has a whole SA case and nj fans are not pointing that out!
I’m not defending hybe but tell me what exactly they did that is evil?
It’s so wild that they basically want HYBE to ignore the fact that she plotted against them and brought a bunch of hate to innocent groups, so let me get this straight, no accountability for MHJ whatsoever
Forget that
It's the threatening ur employer. Like I get these girls are manipulated but none of y'all thought this wasn't a smart idea 😰
That's what concerns me the most. It has been revealed many times that MHJ is not the 'caring mother' to them that she pretends to be, yet keep defending her over and over. That's some fucked up level of brainwashing.
New jeans made the worst decision ever
HYBE can sack all of them and sue them all into bankruptcy for breach of contract. If the girls are smart, they would follow the example of Keena and not the 3 backstabbers from 50 50.
Real artists are suffering actual mistreatment like no pay, poor working environment, and CEO making them do favors. Lost the last respect I had for them.
As many others have said i just hope the girls will realize that they're amazing artists with or without mhj. Them being manipulated is sad enough as it is but when you take into account that they think that their careers can't go on without that woman it's even sadder, they have the talents, they have the fame and sure while mhj was the one who kickstarted their concept the base is still there and other people can work on it even without her, look at the sm groups that she doesn't work with anymore and guess what? They're still thriving. It feels like they've been convinced that their artistic worth starts and ends with mhj and that is just NOT true
Their concept of mistreatment is being ignored by other idols, but meanwhile in the same corporation, there is enhypen being overworked nonstop for months and fromis_9 getting 0 promotion their whole career. But yeah them feeling ignored is more important. I am sorry but they dig their own grave now, their actions will have big consequences.
Exactly, poor Enhypen dudes look like they ready to pass out any minute 😕
I heard they didn't attend normal school and only had private tutoring. They didn't really learn to socialize with their peers right? Seems like they've got no clue how to interact with others.
yea txt is also overworked and had to perform while they were sick or hurt many times and i don't even have to explain with BTS but getting ignored is the bigger problem here.
Literally there was something about MHJ from the start. Even before she was the CEO of Ador. When i saw a video of her describing the members near the release of attention i just found it weird how she talked about meeting with Hyein (14 at the time) and them going out together on their own and to her house (which im pretty sure at the time people saw weird photos of young girls on her insta that included pictures in her house), she often described the members as 'young' or 'innocent' in the weirdest tones as if she was fascinated by it in a weird way. It seems that she also keeps a close relationship with their parents as well and feeds them news and stuff. Her texts with the shaman are disturbing to say the least. Again the way she talks about them is disgusting and weird. These girls were groomed and lied to and right now they need comfort.
Hybe on the other hand really is not any better. Like lets be honest here they probably dont care about the members at all and are definitely seeking out to finish these problems to improve their company's image.
Also, you did not mention this in the video and i don't know all the details but apparently there have been sa allegations in ador and all i know for now is that the new CEO has intentions/is looking into it. I heard that they were covered up but personally i dont know more than this.
I really just wish for the protection of these girls and others like them
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@@kibongseo3319 okay defender of a thieving groomer who covered up a SA case of her employee on top of other things. Sure mhj and newjeans relationship is very special ain't it, they are very special, loved and spoiled but once they turned her back the girls became a lazy, dumb and fat (mhj words not mine)
@@kibongseo3319😂
@@kibongseo3319sure but it’s very weird to have that type of relationship in my opinion I’m here for them expressing their dissatisfaction with hybe and poor mistreatment but instead talk about min heejin is crazy anyways what Hanni said about the manger kinda left a sour taste in my mouth I think the manger should be called out but she’s chronically online and know how kpop fans act and know that illit are going to get hate when in reality their also victims to me it clear they care about themselves and seen as the sole victims it human nature to put themselves first but yeah personally I rather just not have anything to do with new jeans
@@kibongseo3319 then if she cares about Newjeans so much why isn't she joining Ador again? Hybe is offering her a position but she wants more money and the highest position she can get. She doesn't actually care about the members, and her messages with the shaman prove that. She says such disgusting things about the members.
Out here in the real world, people you work with come and go and you are expected to continue working. That's called professionalism. Girls, do not fall off a cliff just because MHJ is telling you to. You're there, make the best from it. If MHJ truly love them as a 'mom', she'd support them nonetheless and be proud of them even if they're parting ways. What a mess.
The way the companies especially staff are acting aren't profesional. The girls are being more responsible than those who are supposed to take care of their own career.
After adults not doing shit, the girl's choosed for themselves. If my boss did not give me work and treated me like shit in the WORKPLACE (Which on any workplace, the way the manager treated them is UN PROFESIONAL) I would speak up too.
@@ashantythegreat3231 HR or managers can't do anything without actual proof and that doesn't mean she lied
@@patschwab4083 They literally can, nothing is stopping them. And yeah, hanni and the other girls had said more had happened than that incident, and I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised if the things are true too.
@@ashantythegreat3231they can’t tho? She said the manager told her group to ignore them? Well, she has the right to do that, they’re from different labels she can’t order them to greet them or talk to them. And I bet if she brung it up to hybe they’d laugh in her face cuz that’s what it is, silly, that’s not mistreatment, that’s the consequences of your actions.
And by “proof” the mistreatment would have to actually be mistreatment, another label ignoring you isn’t mistreatment, there’s gonna be some coworkers you might not like but they’d have to do something more significant to actually be reported.
@@ashantythegreat3231 then why didn't they mention what more has happened? Especially if it means that it can help bring Hybe down? I don't think they're afraid of speaking out, because they have clearly spoken out many times before, more than groups like Gidle. So what's stopping them? They don't have more proof of mistreatment than that. If they do, I'll be ready to hear it, because I do wanna support them. Also I'm not on Hybe's side
Hear me out i feel like this whole move is controled by min hee jin and her manipulation...she's tryna shed good light on her using new jeans..she wanted public on her side for her upcoming/future project or wants to be back as the ceo..just a conspiracy
they gave hybe a deadline to reappoint her so i think they have some other move if hybe don't. and this live might be to also rile up some sort of mistreatment/mishandling from hybe's side since it was so unexpected they could make some wrong moves. this will help them to get public sympathy and support and some potential evidences against hybe if they, are somehow thinking they could take this to court and win. it will also make big noises and headlines so the public will know if they are rebranding if they ever left hybe and will keep up with it. as of now i don't think there are any proof for mistreatment of anything like that except the trainee video leaks which i am unsure whether it will help them in court. the facts for the whole live to me, felt very much spoon fed by someone behind the scenes (very likely to be mhj) as there were so many wrong info. like what do you mean you all own the copyrights to the song and not hybe? what about the producers and lyricists who worked on the song? well i do wonder what would happen when the deadline comes though, cuz i don't see any way that hybe is gonna reappoint a traitor.
@@Riya-tm5fs I think they had advice from a lawyer or someone (Min?) who understands about the 2 week deadline. At the end of the 2 weeks they are most likely planning on filing for contract termination on the basis of mistreatment or more that we don't know. They are hoping to get out of the contract without owing all that money. I just can't believe that between the girls they actually think their demands will be met.
One thing to know is that young adults may not "know better", but they certainly can have 100% malice and greed with well thought out plans and 100% intent. I can only accept that they are not very bright, but no way am I foolish enough to think teens and young adults are innocent beings. Negative traits and schemes are developed to a high/polished extent even when you're young. It only takes time to mellow out, and by time it's usually when you're into late 30s or 40s (most never do). So no, they don't get a free pass for 3-4 decades. The only thing I'll give them is that they are ignorant and not very bright. But other than that, teens and young adults don't get a free pass. Children, yes. but at New Jeans's age, no.
And before the argument of "you used to call them just kids", no way, never. I never consider teens just kids. Teens only lack knowledge and experience, but other than that, I don't give teens or young adults the "children" free pass. Most adults act as immature as they were then they were teens/young adults, so that logic doesn't fly. Many bad adults were already developed to that extent as a teen and just maintained it. Only some mellow out 30 years later. Every teen is not getting a 3 decades free pass. They only get a pass on lack of knowledge/naivete.
For New Jeans, it's a mix of both based on what it looks like.
The youngest member is 16 years old and she is very disrespectful telling her bosses to stay in their lane and addressing their New CEO by her first name when they don't address MHJ that way. Then giving HYBE an ultimatum is crazy😂😂 these girls have been groomed and spoiled so bad by MHJ they have lost touch with reality. MHJ made these girls sabotage there careers for her unacceptable.
on point. they cannot be throwing orders on the manager whilst being the employee.
@@michaelmitchell7350 living in their own bubble.
It’s crazy that they think their success is because of someone outside of themselves 😮they are the ones who did the work. They are the successful ones.
That’s grooming. MHJ has made Newjeans feel like they’re basically worthless without her. It’s really sad to see because in the Live it’s clear they lack confidence in themselves as artists.
The girls never once said that Min heejin is the sole reason for their success. if you listen and had comprehension skills which a lot of people don’t have, which is why theres so much drama around this issue and so much misinformation and confusion you would understand that what they said is that mhj as their CEO had the creative direction required to accomplish their vision because it aligned with the girls. that’s why there were so much synchronization in the work they were producing and it was very successful. And you guys seem to forget the reason why bsh hired her in the first place it’s because she was highly sought after because that’s what she’s good at. She produced an amazing girl group and if other people could do the things she did, we would see that in the industry, but we don’t. we’ve seen footage that they’ve released that they get along very well with her and their staff. A lot of people don’t seem to understand that theres so much that goes into creating and producing music and content for a person or a group. You lack the right energy and passion, skill set, attitudes etc. you will not end up with a result like NewJeans. they’re not brainwashed or manipulated they’re simply saying that they cannot work the way they want to and they cannot be as successful as they have been the last two years without mhj or someone like her. their only other option is the current CEO that was just instated and they don’t feel safe or protected or comfortable around her. That’s what it’s all about at this point with their live. They don’t want to be at Hyde if they don’t have mhj because they’re only alternative is a woman who made hanni out to be a liar and doesn’t acknowledge them or respect them or listen to their concerns like their previous management did. and I don’t think there’s a problem with that. there wasn’t an issue until mhj’s complaint about internal affairs at Hyde were made public and then they ratted her ass out and went after her. That’s how it all started. I think bangPD is just a nasty petty piece of shit who is bitter and mad about NewJeans success because he wasn’t involved in it and he doubted their concept before the debut and they proved him wrong and he’s pissed because they’re doing better than him. That’s literally what this is all about. It’s so petty. He’s greedy. He literally asked her if she could crush aespa with new jeans. The final nail in the coffin was when mhj complained about hybe basically copying and pasting NewJeans when they released illit. It was so obvious that they wanted to create a new jeans under hive, not under ador so that they could profit from and then get rid of new jeans. All of you people are weirdos because you’re making this about fan wars that’s not what this is about. This is about the girls literally feeling unsafe and ostracized by their company that is supposed to support them and that was never the case since the very beginning.Bsh was extremely jealous and bitter, and didn’t congratulate them on their success when they first came out that’s weird and to be in the hybe building and have another groups manager or staff say out loud to not acknowledge her that’s freaking weird and that would make me very uncomfortable that would be a very scary uncomfortable environment because you’re literally not welcomed there. People don’t like you, even if mhj did all the things that they claim I simply can’t believe a multi billion dollar company that works with people that they do like scooter are morally and ethically sound or above someone like MHJ I think if anything she was caught trying to get bought out by shareholder some kind of investor who wanted to buy ador which is not legal in their contract I believe and the funny thing about that is that she would have every right to want to do that because of how she was treated by hybe. All the broken promises and expectations to kiss up to bsh and take his passive aggressiveness. It’s just like she said you’re dealing with a bunch of nasty middle-aged misogynistic men and that’s not hard to believe in South Korea like let’s be fucking serious right now be real people and then I wouldn’t blame the girls for support because she has done nothing wrong to them to anyone unless complaints from her staff are true then that is a problem because no one wants to work under someone who can be a tyrant boss and not communicate effectively and respectfully, but I don’t think that was the case because if it was, we would have a lot more people coming out and exposing min heejin. At the end of the day, these girls are so successful and a lot of their brand deals aren’t dropping them because in the short time they’ve been in the industry they’ve built such strong ties because they have good character that goes a long way in business. We’ll see how all this goes down and for the record people with common sense know that the girls fully understand what they’re doing and the gravity of the situation they’re not stupid. They know that this can get them blacklisted or kicked out of the company lawsuits, etc. it’s gonna be messy but the girls don’t want to work in a company that is Neglecting and bullying them. It’s not right let’s have some common sense you people are weirdos trying to compare their situation to other groups like this is not a competition be mature.
@@soupafleye people come and go... that's the nature of this industry. Not a single successful musician I know work only with 1 person for their entire career. Ideas are changing, creativity is growing, visions are expanding, experiences are flowing... doesn't matter what the circumtances are, these all are natural process.
If it's not grooming, why cling so hard to one person?
@@soupafleyeit’s implied, they talk about her all the time, even at award shows where they’re the ones being given the reward, not her. “We thank our ceo mhj!”, like it’s brainwashing at that point
@@soupafleye what is the issue tho because mhj is still allowed to work with them and be creative director. she’s just not ceo anymore. it shouldn’t matter if what’s important is the vision, the vibes etc
Ik that there's ppl who said that mhjn is manipulating them, but u cannot deny she played well, i mean she included them in everything she explained everything for them, so if hybe comes and treat them like garbage i think they felt like hybe ruined everything, ppl just do not think more deeply about their age and everything, i mean, that wasn't the bes move ever made, but as they said it was the only way to express what they were feeling, it doesn't matter if they were brainwashed or not.
I just want the best for them
to be fair, we don't even know if hybe truly treating newjeans like crap. the biggest accusation is from hanni saying people said unfriendly thing to her, but we weren't there. it could just be not saying hi to her in the hallway or that person was merely having a bad day. the fact she brought it up during live as if she's the biggest victim showed how immature and entitled she is. she can easily confronted that person and/or talk it out with him/her instead of publicizing one instance when it has nothing to do with the group. i liked newjeans's music but really don't like their behaviors nowadays. they just seem entitled and narcissistic.
@@rubiirae 1) The manager of that idol told the idol to ignore Hanni, 2) She didn't mention who that idol was.
@@rubiirae newjeans themselves said in the live that there were more things that happened but they couldn't talk about it.
They want things to go back to normal. That’s not going to happen what MHJ did was betrayal and HYBE will never trust her that relationship is broken.
It’s also there FIRST TIME in this industry, with how these companies isolate them I don’t blame them or shame them for still trusting and respecting Min Heejin. I feel like they take their relationship with her like a parent. At times we hated or hate our parents because we overheard them talking shit about you to another family member. Sometimes some of the closest people we love we also share a hate for something they do or say, they wouldn’t be here without her and they feel they owe their unwavering loyalty to her so maybe I’m clueless but why are people hating them for expressing their opinions. They knew what they were risking by speaking up so I support them speaking their mind.
that’s a really a good point. they were isolated and especially with the foreign members, their parents were probably far away most of the time. she might’ve truly become a parental figure to them. on the one hand they probably needed that, on the other… she’s not their mom, she was their boss. even if she did it out of the goodness of her heart, which idk, it creates a blurred relationship
Some from HYBE need to make these girls read the court verdict where they acknowledge, MHJ planned but did not act upon the coup, that's why she didn't get charged.
And they are in no position to make that kind of a demand.
I get it you don't like your new boss. Newsflash :YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOVE YOUR BOSS" Someone make them understand that it's a contract between Employer and and employees and not mother- daughter.
At this point I need the girls to see a therapist and be separated from mhj and hybe so they can properly recover.
MHJ is a creep and she shouldn’t have been ceo in the first place, if THAT didn’t happen we wouldn’t be here and if HYBE was more caring then we’d be good tsk.. reality.
Imagine u go to work, and ur coworkers didn’t greet you, and u go to HR to complain about it, and get mad cuz it’s basically a he says she says situation.
What did Hanni expect the CEO to do? Reprimand the other employees? How was Hanni so sure that they were talking about her?
To be fair, I’d have ignored them too. And that’s my rights. Grow up Hanni.
She said that they told her coworkers not to talk to her, but of course you left out that part to fit your narrative. I’m not taking any sides because we will never know the full story until all sides are shared, but it is a bit odd to tell your coworkers not to greet/talk to someone 🤷🏽♀️. Them breaching their contract to defend #that woman is foolish and naive though and will either get them kicked out of the company, blacklisted, or both.
@@intearnet6926 i am aware that she said a manager told their group to ignore her but how can you prove that to your ceo/boss? Unless she had them say that on camera. I’m not taking ador’s side but I think Hanni’s reaction to this is a bit too much, and shows that she and NJ have been sheltered by MHJ completely. If anything, it was an opportunity to learn and grow but they took it as an insult or at the very least made themselves victims. I do applaude them for being so daring and brave. But you’re right, it’s foolish and will get them in more trouble later on
New jeans should not expect special treatment. They are working , you cannot please everybody. They should grow up. The boss or company will not follow you. As an employee you shpuld be the to follow the company's decision
That's not special treatment,she heard the manager telling their idols to ignore her,so she feel hurt about it 🤷@@hikarushidou2952
@@intearnet6926truth
I wish more people were this nuanced when it came to this conversation instead of choosing a side
What kind of voodoo did that woman put on them?!! This is INSANE! 😢
I am very afraid they may be shunned and flat out blackballed behind the scenes. I was SO happy with the comeback, but this is literally a nightmare now 😢
The girls are clearly not 'dumb' to see that they are being isolated and the future of their careers are at a risk at hybe rn, so i think their concerns are totally valid. I mean most of the higher ups of ADOR are being replaced with belift staff and bsh's henchmen (a woman too ig) who have clearly shown they don't have the best interests of the girls in mind (ref to that horrific disaster of belift's 27 min video) . Obviously i don't like mhj, and i do find it sad that the girls seem very reliant on her when she is an egotistical manic at best. HOWEVER considering how the girls have literally been with her since 2021 at the earliest when they were in fact ALL minors, what can you really expect? They are obviously going to stand with the person who seems to be most concerned about 'you' and your career even if that concern is not actually coming from a place of true sincerity. Anyways i'll always stand with the girls as i have a fully developed brain and can understand that they are the victims here, not 'evil minions' not 'bratty' not 'devils' just young girls who have been failed by the adults around them.
They are forgetting that they are employees. Don't expect special treatment.
4:49 is it really though? They are most likely just doing what MHJ told them to do to have HYBE fire them, that’s the end goal with that live. But as you said they won’t, they will just be thrown into the “dungeon”
MHJ kept dragging NewJeans into the drama on every media platform. Now.... the group will learn what breech of contract means. Companies replace CEO all the time (look at all the american music companies) New management is typical business. Without HYPE, these girls would have never been known internationally.
Every single problem arose from the ego and greed of MHJ. She tried to steal the group and she failed. Now her goal is to destroy the group and she may succeed. The only job of the members was to remain quiet and neutral and let the adults fight with each other. The members failed over and over. First, they took the side of MHJ, who had made herself the enemy of Hybe. Next the members made the video criticizing Hybe and making demands. The group is now damaged beyond repair. None of it was the fault of Hybe. If MHJ simply did her job and did not try to steal the group then everything would be ok.
Put yourself in their shoes, if you were working for a corporation that made you feel unwanted and like shit of course you'd speak up about it too. They've been mistreated since April and the girls even gave examples in their video last night. It's true what they did probably caused more damage on their reputation but it was also brave cause that's not something you'd expect from an idol in korea. They didn't want to be treated unfairly and decided to speak up about it.
Maybe it’s MHJ plan too , to damage the group value so they are cheaper to buy out.
@@josh1212121 mistreated how? They had it good, whatever happened now is all MHJ doing it, but they keep blaming everyone else esp hybe.
Yes, they were isolated so much by mhj to the point whatever comes out of their mouth are mhj words.
Steal? There is no proof
@@yen-8680 That's the closed minded mentality most people have. "It's all MHJ's plan to damage them" or "She's manipulating them to act that way". Everyone wants someone to blame and point a finger to. They need someone to be the bad guy. Yes in this instance MHJ did hybe dirty, but thats not the point, my original point was the girls do not feel safe in the company without her. Actually watch the video they put out, there's one with subtitles.
Mistreated how? They had it "good"? You clearly haven't kept up with the girls the past few months. They talk about it subtly on their phoning app and through their comments. They've felt miserable since April. You have no way of saying they've had it "good" LOL
I just want to say, its hard to not trust someone who is the only nice person around them. It really feels like everyone else in hybe(excluding the kpop artists) became their enemies( feeling jealous and more) thats why they only see mhj as a supporter. Who wouldn‘t come on?! If we were in this situation we all would take her side cause she is literally giving them life in this dead place. In fact, who are we to know if she is really manipulating them. I want to only believe a trustworthy, close person of them who says mhj IS manipulating them.
I bet they will choose MHJ even Over their own parents, in this current situation😅
Why would HR pursue a complaint that can’t be backed by evidence? It would be insane to do this. They checked CC TV. NJ acted with extreme disrespect in the way they spoke to and about the new CEO. Definitely not a good look.
Imagine yourself being accused of bullying someone because your brother, sister, bestie, friends, or anyone related to you in some way didn't say hello or didn't show them respect the way they see fit, and everyone is applauding the accuser for "standing up" against you for bullying them when they themselves misinterpreted the situations more often than not. For them to address the new CEO in such a disrespectful manner and for them to make absurd and childish demands should tell you a lot about their attitudes, and perhaps they are being shunned at work is because of their bad attitudes. Why would HYPE mistreat their artists when their artists are the source of their financial gain? Not to mention they investing so much $$$$ into training, marketing, travel expenses, paying people as their managers? People need to remember there are always two sides to a story.
This so upsetting. I love the music that these girls make. I still remember when I first Attention, the goosebumps I had, how much I replayed it; and that goes for their other songs too. They're such a wonderful group, vibrant in their color. I would hate to see their careers die so early on and like this. I pray someone will step up to protect them and guide them properly. Someone who won't take advantage of them and push them in the right direction without exploiting them.
Now this. Plenty of fans, supporters and those who side with MHJ, need to hear this truth. Maybe, hopefully, even the girls themselves need to hear it.
They're not intellectually disabled. They have access to alternative sources of information. They each cleared $3.8 million each last year.
They're not victims.
They are victims. Stop with the dumb victim blaming all because you want to side with some companies.
NJs can be victims and still defend MHJ.
You guys call idols humans until they are humans and are victims. You guys choose your victims.
People scream about treating idols like humans, then harass some girls for experiencing real-life human struggles. The girls have not had a responsible adult to look after them since the beginning of their careers when they were all minors, and even if they weren't, adults can still be manipulated and tricked. These girls were put in the middle of a fight they shouldn't be in at all by both the woman who claims she "cares about them" and a greedy, soulless company. I just hope this ends with them getting the REAL help they need, MHJ blacklisted from the industry, and HYBE ending once and for all, of course, not leaving their artists without careers, but their greed and hunger to take over kpop needs to be stopped
Feel sorry that they're going through this but I think releasing that video is a bad move.
If i have a new manager and said I want my old manager back, pretty sure I will lose my job if not within an hour, within the next few days.
Also if that's mistreatment for them, imagine how it was like for groups coming from small companies who doesn't even have the advantage they have.
I'm no hater but it's hard to sympathize after watching the video. for me it feels like they are also manipulating their fans to pity them and side with them without giving the full details and evidences for their claims of mistreatments and what not
first -- the broadcast was obviously scripted -- if you look closely, there were scripts on the table, and the entire session was practically about min heejin, and insulting hybe, rehashing what min heejin said in her cry conferences. the only beneficiary of the broadcast was min heejin, not newjeans. second -- if it were not so, in any case, it was a prime example of how to ruin your career in the korean entertainment industry: show everyone what ingrates and entitled spoiled unprofessional brats you are, biting the hand the feeds you. crass, no class, and no breeding coupled with having a big attitude problem. all these as artists less than two years since debuting. without the newjeans name and without the resources provided by hybe, let us see how much better they can do on their own. they just red-flagged themselves as artists to avoid in the korean entertainment industry. (CONGRATULATIONS TO SEVENTEEN & LE SSERAFIM FOR WINNING IN THE 2024 MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS!)
I love how they said "we are doing this on are own" and on the end please bring back Min Hee Jin, maybe she was behind the camera LMAO 😂😂😂
Skipped the entire thing. You guys have short attention span? 😂
Sure did.. watched only 1 second . But then again Who benefits from this "live" and who looses ;
or maybe you are offended from my comment like hanni ... what don't you go "live" haahhaahahahahha
where are their parents? very poor decisions being made. terrible negotiation tactics.
That's not negotiation, they were demanding.
@@alanaatkinson551 yes, exactly
They basically said to hybe"we don't need you, you need us, so you better listen. "
They are turning themselves into poison pill for HYBE. Ultimately it comes down to valuation of the band, so they have to pay less when they move to terminate the contract.
no they didn’t what ??? 😭😭 The girls saying they don’t feel heard after the whole situation happened, and they don’t know who to trust/believe anymore (which is COMPLETELY understandable because both sides are screwing them over) isn’t them saying Hybe needs them.
What they NEED is an adult in their life who has their best interest at heart, yall need to stop making assumptions about these girls character all that does is start mindless hate trains.
@@ang3lie that isnt a baseless assumption about their character, that is literally just what they said in a nutshell. they said to 'make the wise choice of bringing back mhj until the 25th', that is literally a threat. i cant with yall, omg. its fine if you are a fan of them but dont be ignorant. they said some insanely entitled things. and whether they were manipulated to say that is another thing, but dont pretend like they were just having a sleepover sharing their feelings. this thing was textbook manipulation, nothing else, and its scary so many of you dont see that.
@@ajlee2168 “they said more insanely entitled things” No they didn’t..? The MAIN purpose of the live was to talk about their experiences and why they wanted MHJ back.
How does Them saying ‘bring back MHJ before the 25th or we’ll (most likely) leave’ make them believe their better then Hybe and entitled brats (and I’m using the word brats because that’s what a lot of people in this comment section especially are calling the girls)
OP jumped to the assumption that they girls basically said ‘we don’t need you, you need us, you better listen’ (in those exact words) which IS making an assumption about the girls character (that they believe their bigger/better then hybe)
When in the actual live the girls are scared they’re going to forgotten and ignored by Hybe, and want MHJ back as CEO because they feel like she listens and understand them (Which is GROOMING and mhj shouldn’t be allowed near those girls)
The least they can do is to say 'thank u' for opportunity, investment, music to hybe who put tons of money for them. Now they demand more things just for b*tch who got fired. LMAO 😂
Ungrateful brats. Don't forget to ask your parents to buy a new company u for girls 😂😂😂
Y’all who is saying that they should have stayed silent, i hope you guys stay silent in all the issues going on in the world
These girls are so audacious to believe that they have the right, or power to make demands or place an ultimatum on the head of Hybe. I do not believe that they did this on their own, this reeks of MHJ . These girls need to learn appreciation and humility. They also need to learn why they are so disliked by everyone at Hybe, and this little stunt will only make it worse on them. I am sure they just ended any chance of a major career. No other company is going to want to deal with them or MHJ. And MHJ will never spend the money on them like Hybe did, even if she had it- which she does not.
I agree. There will need to be a after MHJ for the girls if they want to truly continue their career. The only problem is that Hybe is not the best place to continue at. MHJ is bad but throughout all of this Hybe has shown how they are just as bad. The girls are still young and they need a a support system to help separate them from MHJ. We’ve all seen the relationship the girls and MHJ have. Hybe has witnessed it longer and they’ve done nothing to address it. My heart broke hearing everything that the girls are currently going through right now and it’s also very frustrating to hear. Hybe has a chance to prove that they are trustworthy adults who also have the girls best interest in heart but instead they treat the girls like this 🤦🏽♀️ All Hybe is doing at this point is proving to the girls that all the lies they were told are correct and that MHJ is the only one that cares.
I think hybe dropped it by allowing mhj to get this brazen. But other than that… they are responding like a company should imo. It maybe not ‘motherly’ like how the girls used to.. but it’s what normal people go tru. Adjusting is not comfortable definitely but if these girls can detach from mhj.. they will be okay, things will move on .
@@yen-8680but about what hanni had said about the new ador ceo not addressing the icing out of her to other groups, that’s now how to resolve a situation
@@bluedays6794It’s being said the whole ignore them comment was made before the new ceo. We will have to get that confirmed from both sides though. Besides there’s an ongoing battle, involving other labels. If they said the manager was being rude directly to them I would agree, but that’s not the case. They also stated they did have a meeting with the new ceo. Their main issue is that they want MHJ as ceo.
@@bluedays6794 it's so stupid. it's like complaining your coworker or boss didn't say hi to you in the hallway. but we weren't there, her perception may not be the reality.
@@rubiirae She said that the idol greeted her first, and afterwards ignored her because her manager said out loud to ignore Hanni.
I've stopped f'in with anything Hybe after all this. The organization is devoid of values across both parties, nothing but ego's.
Somebody sayd something that really put things is perspective.
NJs says in the live they found out about MHJ not being the CEO anymore through an article which really hurt them because the company didn't say it directly to them first. The thing is miss girly MHJ knew she'd lost her position and didn't bother to tell the girls she sees as her own children?! The women knew this would hurt the girls, you can't convince me she didn't want them to be angry and hurt about this
I am wondering what your opinion is on the financial troubles over at YG, and how they are liquidating so many assets, because of the 2.5 billion in bad debt they have because of the Black Pink Tour? It appears that all those rumors of the company having to give away tickets, to make it look like the concerts were sold out were not rumors after all.
Kpop Stan’s be like:
NewJeans are groomed and brainwashed they need therapy.
Also kpop stans be like : that manager was right, I wouldn’t want my idols around them. Kpop Stan’s
Kpop stans: And new ador was right for ignoring their cry for help they had no evidence.
My opinion: First of all if you think someone is groomed isn’t the best way is to show them affection and love so that they feel they don’t need the groomer anymore? But what is Hybe stuff and New Ador management doing ? They are discriminating against the girls.
New ador could have assured the girls they would look into it and do something but they dismissed them making the girls feel indeed MHJ and the old Ador staff are the only ones who cared about them.
One thing is for sure these girls don’t trust Hybe and we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. Remember how powerful Hybe is
But what is going to happen on September 25th if she isn’t reinstated
They will sue HYBE to hopefully get out of their contract
@@tadghostal2that won't work and that's assuming hybe won't counter sue
Beginning of newjeans' end unfortunately......
There is no such incidents or problem before new jeans or ador come into hybe this is why hybe didn't debut lots of girl groups then hybe was peaceful until new jeans debut. The girls dig their own grave
I’m surprised that the members are ready to call it quits, I don’t believe the members did this conference on their own. MHJ should’ve been supportive and step down so the girls can continue their careers, but instead she is going to take them down.
Maturity doesn't comes with age. It comes with environment. They suffered their and they know better than we people which are thinks that we know better than them who are themselves victims.
So I'm an outsider to this group and just got into New Jeans. What attracted me to this group is their fun, fresh, happy and care free attitude in all their songs. I always thought this came from MHJ. I guess I'm wrong? If it's not MHJ, where did it come from? New Jeans I found very uniquely have these traits unlike most groups out there. If that cannot be returned then the concept of New Jeans won't last. It's their bread and butter. Any ideas, I'm genuinely curious?
Offff yeah I can tell your an outsider bc what your seeing is mhj self sabotage her own group because of her greed and ego
the point of their live is that they dont feel safe and they dont feel like theyre being heard. in all the other labels, theyre being overworked and mistreated. le sserafim are having their FIRST break after crazy. they havent rested since debut. newjeans have long breaks with their family after every comeback and regularly get enough rest. they have creative freedom. they get to work on their music, write their own songs and release them to the public. they make plenty of money and regularly donate it to charities. having hybe step in and take that all away is a huge shock and theyre not going to tolerate it, which they shouldnt since this is what an artist should have. artists shouldnt just be pretty faces that do whatever a fat ugly man tells them because he wants bigger pockets that he blows on mansions. i fully support newjeans and them standing up against hybe and i hope that this starts a revolution that the kpop industry needs to stop treating idols like slaves.
What type of lies are you spreading rn ]
@@Everythingz127 everything that i said is publicly known information. what are you confused about
@@luvava9802 where did LSFM say their being overworked? Do you have a source or did you just assume that.
Anyways, Hybe has underworking their groups before (Obivously Formis_9 is who I’m talking about) The Newjeans girls are literally scared they’re going to forgotten and ignored by Hybe. So I agree with you
@@ang3lie HYBE is not giving any of their groups break. Need examples?
ENHYPEN.
LESSERAFIM who finally had a break, but only for 8 DAYS.
@@ang3lie seems like my old reply got taken down bc i had a link, but chaewon did an interview and was talking about how shes going on an 8 day trip with her family after crazy promotions and that its their first time being given a break since debut. not giving idols a break for almost 3 years is overworking them in my opinion.
This is a good example why entertainers in SK need to form a union and unionized. Just sayin
4:02 Finally someone who says this I really wanted to say it but I knew I was gonna get attacked if I said it
i feel bad for them like the situation is fucked up... on the business pov hybe is doing a correct job. but since they want mhj so bad... i have no words... waiting for hybe response...
Crazy that when i defended newjeans, I actually got attacked, kpop fans are so doomed.
They hate MHJ, and now that they know the girls are on her side-whether groomed or not-the hatred toward MHJ has been transferred to NewJeans. Suddenly, Hybe, Bang, and Juice Seyeon are all seen as angels now.
@@VisibleMRJ nope.. just returning the hate that was given to other groups by their fandom and they keeping silent about that but voicing to bring a thief in again. hope u have the humanity to understand this
@@VisibleMRJthey get what they deserve. Did they empathised with SouMu when left them behind falling in depts? Now that they’re bound by contracts they want people to corner HYBE to initiate the contract termination or make MHJ the owner of ADOR. This drama is getting out of hand and you guys are trusting some untrustworthy people.
@@hrishikeshsarma738
You clearly don’t know what humanity is if you think hating on idols is okay because it’s ‘returning’ the energy Bunnies gave to other fandoms.
Newjeans isn’t responsible for the hate other idols received and can’t control their fandom. It’s hypocritical to think that and not give the same energy to boy groups (a GREAT example of this is when bangchan talked about disrespectful junior groups and fans just assumed they were talking about IVE. The IVE girls got death threats while stray kids got off scott-free)
In an industry like Kpop, speaking out about ‘causing’ other group hate trains (it was really MHJ who involved other groups ) is basically nonexistent.
@@VisibleMRJ arent you tired of these strawmens? no one thinks hybe etc. are angels. they are just objectively in the right in this *legal battle.* yall forget that this is NOT about petty fanwars. you can hate all sides, the fact remains that mhj is the worst of them, shes the main culprit, period. you can only sympathize with the members for so long, before you have to take them accountable as well. nuance is dead with yall.
I remember certain fandoms so against Hybe and mhj but now the same fandoms are supporting them all because they're against hybe. I wish kpop stans would think for once.
Remember all this started because Mhj tried to steal adore .
Zero evidence they are groomed or manipulated. People just need to accept what they are doing and stop making things up to either defend or hate them.
The girls said they have a lot that happened to them. They only shared one intance...
How tf you're discrediting them already? 😭
@@ashantythegreat3231 Are you directing that at me or the video creator? I didn't discredit them at all.
@@ozmer Both. You don't know what happened to NJs since they haven't shared it yet. 😭
Idk why people always discredit victims. This is textbook victim blaming 😦
@@ashantythegreat3231 Yes, I agree. This video and most of the whole comment section is the prime example of victim blaming.
It's disgusting to see.
Can't we stay neutral in fact we don't even know the whole truth from both sides. If someone is risking their whole career to say something, don't you think they have some serious point to make?
@@opinionisjustopinion6599what part of this is victim blaming? the creator explicitly says that they are young and should not be blamed for the fact that mhj groomed them
not standing with hybe nor mhj, justice for all the artists/groups who are involved in the middle of the feud. #justicefornewjeans #justiceforillit #justiceforyoungseo #justiceforgaram #justiceforaespa
I don't blame them for wanting mhj back and missing her, at the end of the day, mhj is the only adult here outside their parents that they feel they can trust and the only adult on that company that they feel that cares about them, manipulation or not, imagine being on their shoes, suddenly everyone on your workplace hates you and the only higher up you've felt that could help you is gone now.
They might not be weak children anymore, but they are normal girls on this nasty world of millionaire ceo fighting for dominance, not caring about their employees.
thanks for saying they're still barely adults
cause that's the truth just because they're 20 or 18 doesn't mean they immediately become adults
I feel like dismissing the fact they've been groomed and manipulated for years because "they are adults now" isn't right and people using this as an argument are doing something, dare I say, dangerous. Adults can be manipulated too and manipulation should always be taken into account, especially when speaking of young adult in the entertainement industry. That aside, doing a livestream wasn't the best move they could've done. I know people are going to disagree with me, but since that whole MHJ vs HYBE started, I always thought it will end with NewJeans either disbanding, changing their line-up or completly changing their concept (both music and apparence wise). Because NewJeans is a "creation" of Min Hee-Jin, and the girls are tied to her, HYBE would want to get rid of them as they are right now. And that's why I'm sure part of what they are saying (new managements being dismissive of them, being ignored by staff and their labelmates being told to distance themselves) are true. While I don't think defending Min Hee-Jin is the correct move, I can see why the girls thought they have to do what they did. I honestly hope it won't end in another Fifty-Fifty situation.
at the end of the day, NJ are responsible and only NJ are responsible for own careers. HYBE does not care nor should it, NJ is cog in the HYBE money making machine. If the cog is broken, you try to fix it (remove MHJ) and if it is still broken, throw it out and replace with a new cog. At this point it does not matter if the are the victims or the architect of this whole mess, they must live with the consequences of their actions
illit is the new cog and it feels kind of weird how they are trying to make illit seem like natural friends how newjeans members are with each other when it just feels so forced imo.
This situation is infuriating and it just shows us not only how powerless we are as fans, but how we know nothing about what’s happening behind closed door.
Being on the outside but witness the very real mistreatment they’re going through is…
Makes me never wanna listen to music or watch Tv ever again 😭
That woman was behind that camera! It was planned and rehearsed.
Did u watch the live you can find translated versions of the full thing they did this behind everyone's back littearly 💀
@@luvvs.tillanieaccording to them. Mhj knew. The girls claimed that she had no idea but an article came out where mhj said she told them not to do it. Who can we believe?
@@rusher0015 I mean I would beleive new jeans but that's my opinion
Be careful who watches your children (though the parents probably are more in it for the money). The channel and live stream they did was an easy move to get their contract terminated. There is a good chance MHJ has skewed the members' reality. I hope the member's will see that. If for some unimaginable reason MHJ is CEO again (assuming obviously with less power) I hope those who know her toxicity keep record with it and all MHJ's actions is transparently given to the girls so they can truly see MHJ decisions so they can make a better judgment for themselves. I am sure there are people in Adore who know the true factors and are too afraid to say anything based on the power of MHJ and probably culture. The girls' are just her chess pieces for her to get her way. SM dodged a bullet with her. She is clearly too messy to deal with. It is better for her to start her own company, but I bet she lacks the capability to handle it. She is probably very controlling and has an unhealthy narcissistic obsession of recognition whether it was her doing or not. The other sad part is that HYBE is also probably just as bad, but I would take a crappy company that I could leave than stay with an individual like MHJ because it most likely entered their personal life as well.
Idc if they’re manipulated or not but the problem started with Min Hee Jin when she wanted to take ADOR over along with NewJeans which was HYBE subsidiary and owned 80% which mhj have no right to take it. I am disappointed with the girls for defending her but I will still love and listen to their music
Just because NewJeans is capable of making their own decisions doesn’t mean MHJ and HYBE allow them to do so. They learned about MHJ stepping down as CEO from a news report like I highly doubt that any of the girls are taking part in whatever decision making is going on.
I still think it's staged
But for real we don't know the real conditions that they had/have to endure in hybe. There have been references of them being ostracized even before the scandal. What if Min had really always been their support, their guardian and defender against the adversity? After she left if they received a safe amount of assurance and guide from the new ador management that might have changed things somewhat but with them (Ador) forcibly deleting their content, not fiending aid towards concerns and problems being reported by newjeans to them, and the probable ostracization that must really be progressively happening and evolving because we know that by now hybe won't have the best intentions for them, it's normal that they might feel threatened and on the edge hence brash actions. Either way i still do think that this was a huge risk. If Min heejin really loved them she should have pushed them to keep a neutrality instead of probably having them burn with her. But at the same time, still not knowing the integral part of what their going through maybe in their eyes it's a way of defending themselves. Let's see how it goes with them having given an ultimatum. The 25th is near.
Either way it seems weird to us because we are used to people being censured concerning whatever they may be dealing with within the industry. This took courage. Risky? Yes.
Furthermore i saw an official post of hybe debunking Hanni's claims. They said that the event where the manager said to an other hybe group to ignore Hanni happened 3 months ago? That they checked the footage and nothing happened and they had mutually greeted each other?? Bro, hanni said that after the incident she reported it to the current Ador director. The director only took office this month...They haven't refuted the fact that it was reported to the current director right but they chose to accentuate the fact that it was done months ago when the feud was at it's peak, thus "justifying" the act. But the current Ceo wasn't there 3 months ago. So...idk something shady is happening...
Please Newjeans issued a cry for help literally. Bunnies let's not let them down.
Your brain stops developing at around your late 20s, that white lady that you showed pissed me off. I have been brain washed and manipulated my whole life by an abusive family until I moved out. These girls do not know what's going on or know any better still. I agree with your video and glad you spoke about this.
Another day, another HYBE fiasco/scandal. I was hoping to go through a week without hearing anything from HYBE, but at this point its like expecting the sun to come out. HYBE always finds a way to be in the center of some kind of fiasco/scandal.
mhj is still in the company i still dont understand why they still want her as ceo. like gurl to demand something to ur boss. damn😂. every employee is replaceable. u came in when ur company have everything, i think this girl need the bts treatment when they just started up. shared room, basic food. like damn.
The thing is the girls will keep feeling mistreated no matter what because MHJ is not coming back. In reality Min can’t plan a company take down for literal years and cause massive hate trains against other idols in the company and get rewarded by getting back her CEO position. But sadly the girls and kpop Stan’s don’t understand that. The NJ members are always gonna hate anyone who went against their “mother”. I mean Min has proved she is not mentally stable or mature enough for that kind of power. And those poor girls are gonna crawl through broken glass for a woman that’s shaman could have told her she sees the devil in them and then Min would have cut them from the group for it. It’s actually crazy and sad. I want the girls to be happy but Min has done so much damage she just can’t come back.
I feel like hybe is trying to replace nj success in the west using lsf since lsf opportunities right now is more reasonably should belong to nj since they have way more impact in the west. Lsf isn't still a big thing in the west for real so it was shocking they kinda have all these achievements left and right when they were barely talked about in the west during their coachella. So it's prolly hybe erasing nj for good. Too bad, nj had such major potential for western success.
I think both groups have had a major impact in the west. Pls don't underestimate lsfm's own achievements, they gained success in the west on their own accord.
@@incarosen6343sorry but i don't agree. Lsf doesn't have much impact in the west. It's obvious they're being sponsored and pushed by a big company. Which isn't wrong,.since this is still business. Groups from big companies with great connections tend to succeed. Let's just stop marketing as if lsf are so organic they did it all by themselve coz at the end of the day, being hybe artist will still be a major factor in their success. That's reality.
@@Catnip3207 alright i guess we can agree to disagree. I'm not denying that lsfm's success doesn't have everything to do with the huge company behind them, but I disagree with the idea that nwjns is bigger in the west than lsfm bcos that's not what I've seen personally.
@@Catnip3207 I see what your saying but lsf has had slow organic progress in the west since last year with the release of "Perfect Night". NJ's and lsf are very popular girl groups that are working both the korean and west music scene.
You shouldn't shade any group like that they are slow grow is the best way to grOw now nj is know in west I accept it but there eraa is over now as u can see from their recent album
If you are shading other groups that not right evryone has slow progress sometimes and slow process artists stays long as BTS as TXT as iu as blackpink just don't judge they won't vma even and they will get success
I don't see people talking about the hand Hybe had into all this, at this point seems like for the girls Hybe has become a mobbing environment so the more they feel ostracized inside Hybe the more they will keep feeling protected by who they have known and work with for the longest. I fear Hybe will probably keep them on hiatus till the disbandment, while they could have as a company helped the girls adjust to the changes little by little. The better way I can describe it is: A kid that grow up with one parent and all of a sadden a judge decide to take the kid from the only home they ever knew and put them in custody of the other parent, their confusion is legitimate, and they are young, I don't understand why Hybe didn't put in action ways to help the transition better
and even people that talk about the all situation from an external view point seems that all dismiss the girls discomfort at interacting with anyone on Hybe, and Hybe hand in creating an environment that doesn't feel safe for them.
Also seems to me that a lot of people talk about grooming etc as a way to dismiss every legitimate concern the girls have worded out in their live. The reality that NJ members have an extreme relationship with MHJ does not cancel out each and every talking point they made against Hybe, two things can be true at the same time. MHJ can be manipulating them and Hybe can be a toxic environment for them.
I have a lot of empathy for this girls, and this is what everyone around them is deeply lacking
Now they’re doing too much
What an act??
They want everything name, fame, dorms, luxury given by company but don't want company. that's not gonna work girls.
Either leave hybe and pay penalty or leave with min hee jin.
There's no other choice
They know actually everyone know that without HYBE & BTS they will never ever be this far
Stop acting like this such a drama queens
If you don't like HYBE then leave
It is high time to Disband
Bye bye New Jeans
No more drama that's all we want
People are really harsh here, I feel it's a big step for idols to talk for themselves. They just did what they felt right.
Whether there's manipulation or not, Hybe's problems shows that it's just intricately a terrible company.
Being proactive like they did is a true gamble, they had to take the risk so they won't regret about staying silent and still while they were being mistreated.
I cannot agree with all the people saying they distroyed their career or that they are naive. Netizens perception is random, one day the group is popular the other day it isn't, it is too volatile to be able to predict.
Standing for ones beliefs is truly rare nowadays with all the brainwashing and invisible leashes that doesn't make sense. People should'nt be shocked to see celebrities speak up? They're humans and have rights to have opinions and express themselves.
I personally support them because they are truly victims of injustice here. The fact that they did that press conference don't change the fact that they are innocent. I don't see how people turn their backs because of this. They still are victims trying to fight injustice.
They showed that they're no scaredy cat hiding in their corner and want to be part of their future, not just following "adults" deciding their future and agreeing like puppets without having their words.
i think they just want things to go back to normal. but they can't. i understand that though, because this is an incredibly stressful situation that has been going on for a while and they are young, if i were in their situation i would honestly feel the same, they think that having min heejin back as their CEO would bring everything back to how it was before, before this scandal and everything, but it won't.
I feel bad for the girls but the sept 25th date is way to specific for young girls to even know bout that? I’ve been saying nwjns are not mature , they haven’t even experience the real world yet some of them are literally mid puberty , they are brave for speaking out , the adults around them have failed them , mhj for being manipulative and immature, and hybe for not protecting them as much as their other groups and the only reason they are not doing it because of their close involvement with with mhj m I hope the best for new jeans , I hope they are caring for their mental health , and I hope they are actually doing this out of their own Will because I do think mhj is behind this in some way
What spoiled little girls. They are going to learn the hard way that they are not as important as they think they are. In the real world a 16 year old girl does not tell her boss what to do. New Jeans in in the music business they do not have the know how to run a company and as an adult I am offended by a 16 year old who thinks she should tell her bosses to stay in their lane and she will stay in her lane. How about she just takes the time to learn the business before she tells others what to do
the fact that mhj wrote the scripts should be obvious so idk how ppl are missing it
Yeah I believe what they did is brave and incredibly stupid. Breaching your contract and commiting defamation publicly is not the right way. They should have followed the loona way if they are feeling really mistreated but I guess the lack of real adult guidance and care lead to this.
It was so clear from the beginning something like this would happen….
i don’t care about huber or mine heejin, cuz THEY ALL HAD THIER PART TO PLAY, new jeans was caught in the crossfire of all this, i don’t care but new jeans are the victims, i will never see them as villain, they will be victims to greed,manipulation,mistreatment etc. all i care about is the well-being for these girls, and i don’t think either min heejin nor hybe can do that, they need to find something different. people talk about this like hybe is the better alternative which they aren’t.people truly need to stop smearing these girls like they are the villains cuz from every single perspective they are victims.
it’s either manipulation from min heejin or being manipulated by hybe, at the end of the day those girls are gonna be manipulated
i just wish these girls the best i really do, i wish for them to come out of this strong
and i wish for fans and other fandoms to go do ur research and make up ur own minds about everything, don’t make assumptions and make them out to be true and smear the girls and others
this whole this just reminds of parents fighting and the kids are watching and they involve u. i don’t care what the parents are fighting about, all i care about is the children’s well being and that it
If anyone here from English-speaking community is curious about the major issues Min Hee-jin is having with HYBE, I have translated the exclusive interview news article and added her public press conference translation to my channel. This should be enough information to give you a detailed understanding of what is really going on if anyone is curious.
They are not kids. All Kpop groups are young they need to start acting like professionals. Do they know that no other companies want to deal with drama Queens, do they know there are other young groups waiting to take their place. Put your big girl panty on and act professional. You do know you can be put on a shelf and the public forgets easily, you are not the greatest group of all time
While I wouldn't go so far as to characterize Min Heejin as a groomer, she definitely modeled bad behaviour for the girls when she went public with her dispute with HYBE in last spring's tearful news conference. This pushed HYBE into firing her because it would have caused the company to lose face if it didn't. And now, six months later, rather than learn the lesson of Min's mistake, the girls themselves have done their own version of the tearful news conference. Since there is no way that HYBE will capitulate to the ultimatum the girls make to reinstate Min as CEO by Seltember 25, it seems likely that NewJeans' career is essentially over. This is a shame because the more mature strategy would have been for them to accept that Min is gone and to work hard on their art with the creative teams still available to them. Who knows? They might have found even greater fulfillment as artists by taking greater responsibility for the work they produce, rather than look solely to Min. Instead they've burned their bridges. The long hiatus everyone has been fearing has become inevitable.
Tell me one K-pop group that isn’t groomed by their agency. Kids literally start training at the age of 10 in South Korea. I don’t know why you are blind to the HYBE media manipulation. The whole situation seems to me like an outsider telling a fully grown child that everything their parents tell them is a lie and that they have been groomed.
We can only hope to know half of the things these idols go through. Now, an idol group is voicing their thoughts and opinions on what’s been going on. Instead of giving them a listening ear and hearing what they actually have to say, people are out here saying they are sabotaging their careers and that they are groomed.
You all advocate for speaking up, yet when they speak, you don’t listen. If you listened to this live stream at all, the very first thing they said was that no one was aware of it.
And lastly, if you think the kids are too young to understand, what about their parents? Do you really think they don’t know what’s going on? Do you think any parent will leave their minors in the hands of someone who doesn’t want the best for them? Or would you say the parents are groomed by MHJ as well?
I’m sorry, you all have been played and manipulated by HYBE so badly it’s clouding your judgments.
I will say that international fans are the ones who are mainly against the members whereas Korean fans are defending them and stand with them.
You mean Koreans are standing with min heejin while international fans are either neutral or just an anti of hybe...
@@AUGHHHHHBBG no the international fans are attacking NewJeans calling them stupid etc for back mhj. Korean fans are understanding of mhj and situation. The international fans are running with calling mhj a pedo which imo is so absurd.
@@tuesdayjanae3676 Korean fans called MHJ a feminist icon... Don't talk
Also no it's not absurd. If you think it's normal to have the studio situation she had them we need to check on you too.
Also many of us aren't calling them stupid. It's a stupid move.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG what was the studio situation? I haven’t heard?
@@tuesdayjanae3676 the studio situation is when min heejin posted a pic of her studio. In her studio their is multiple disturbing pics such as art of posters of movies glorifying pedophila, having art of child actors n^d3, etc.
You can still find the videos and koreaboo did a thing about it hays still up which will explain each pic as in the movie it is OR who the child actress is.
Mistreatment from HYBE and concern for their own futures were just pretexts for thoroughly defending MHJ. This livestream was for HER.
Since NJ debuted, the relationship MJH has had with the girls reminded me of the kind of relationship Sia has had with Maddie Ziegler.
i appreciate your point of view