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In 25 years, I won't recycle my solar panels BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL BE WORKING. Solar panels don't just poop out and quit on their 25th birthday. The oldest solar panel I know of is over 45 years old and still working. It's down a bit, about 75% of its original output but that could be due to the owner not having sprayed it off in over five years.
@@maozedong549 On average, panels degrade around .6% from the nominal rating per year. So if you add up those loses over 30 years you retain around 80% of original output. And the losses taper from that time into the future. Some lose a little faster some a little slower. Most things do not just wink out of utility. They gradually fade out or are superceded until they take up more time, space, and maintenance than they are worth to sustain.
Very true, and as solar modules have gotten so cheap, I just oversized the PV array by 20% to account for degradation. It will still most likely be functioning very well for decades after I am dead and gone. I have had customers that when upgrading, sold their old modules for more than the cost of new ones, since there are owners of old system wishing to replace damaged modules or expand existing systems.
Robert... thumbs up from me for your outspoken, cut the crap, tell it how it is debunking of all the dangerous and ridiculous pro-fossil fuel propaganda. If I could double-like and double-subscribe, I would. Keep it up!
Huzzah! At the end of a really tough week, this has really cheered me up. Thanks guys. I'd like much more about stuff other than cars. Can't wait until I can afford an EV (in money and convenience.), but I don't really care about how it looks, or how many horses it takes to power it. A radical improvement in boring tech, will be revolutionary and not just for that lovely, lovely heat down there.
As for recycling solar panels, my understanding is that they don't just simply stop working in 20-25 years but they produce less and less power over the years. So... another option instead of recycling them is to reuse them in situations where solar might otherwise be too expensive. For example, to power well pumps in sub-Sahara Africa or other low to middling power needs in other remote areas of the world.
do you know the cost of shipping solar panels around the world? Would it make sense when you can get new ones with a known life expectancy? Like most "green" things, they will probably end up in landfill. 🤨
Know some follks who bought used panels for a great discount, hooked them up, and they work great. Produce plenty of power for their needs. Reduce, Reuse and Recycle.
@@geoffhaylock6848 Do you? Have you looked into this? I'd be interested to know. But putting that aside, solar panels exist all over the world. Guaranteed there are plenty within a few hundred miles of where they might be needed. Groups such as missionaries are constantly bringing equipment such as water purification systems, structures and other equipment. Makes sense they could just add end-of-life solar panels to that list. You're not going to throw them in a box and send them out FedEx... And when they finally are providing no energy, they can still be used for other purposes.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere I have looked into shipping and packaging. Shipping solar panels is very expensive. It's not like dropping off clothes at your local Tesco's clothes bank. Just because things like water purification systems are built somewhere, it doesn't mean they were cheap.
@@geoffhaylock6848 Perhaps it is, but if people are going to these places anyways, with lots of equipment, might as well bring something that otherwise was going to be scrapped. And sure water purification systems are expensive, but some might say that keeping human beings alive might be worth it...
Finally something positive on UA-cam! We have some 20 year old panels in storage that still work 100% problem is they are are only 100w, they will be reused just haven't found an application for them yet!
One argument I hear against Electric cars is that the grid won't handle the load. What they do not understand is that it takes electricity to create the gas we currently use. As gas production goes down, the power savings will be used to charge all those electric cars.
Yes but it doesn't mean there is magically enough grid infrastructure to supply the massive increase in demand required. I'm totally for electric vehicles but currently (npi) the cables and wires aren't big enough for every household to charge electric cars and heat electric houses. It's either replace the infrastructure (massive) or implement some kind of local individual battery storage...(also massive)....
@@Rob-ln7dd I charge the EV at night when the house is 'quiet' in terms of other uses. I'm not saying you are incorrect, at the same time demand management is an important a solution as bigger cables.
@@PowerOn- Depends what country you happen to live. Further research will reveal the terrain itself has a huge effect on batteries, as in the "actual range" cf the fiction the manufacturers hope you'll swallow. Added to that is a battery EV is to be reckoned to be more "efficient" in an urban area because of regenerative braking. Motorways driving not so useful for range so to speak. Which is why we'll driving hydrogen fuel cell in just a few years. We have so much green hydrogen sloshing around we won't know what to do with it.
Here in Western Australia, where we produce a lot of gas for export (thanks for the money UK). The government gets gas for a low price from the Gas companies in return for the rights to export the gas. So a local gas supply could save the UK money if there were similar agreements. Though exploration for new gas fields has almost halted here as most of it has already been found and it is not economic to develop the small amounts left. Which is of course good news for the environment. On a positive note there are massive wind and solar projects in the planning stage here. WA is planning to become a major exporter of green Hydrogen or Ammonia. We could become the middle east of renewables.
Don’t expect anything positive of this. Australia is part of the Global North “Great Reset” and will do everything it is told by the US and your handlers. Remember the joke that Australia Is sometimes referred to as the 51st US State? :-) Pacific countries see you as allied to Western White colonial powers and not a trusted partner in economic growth in the region. They lump you into the same pot of countries responsible for the horrendous atrocities to the peoples of S, SE, and E Asia over the last several centuries that are now , again being escalated against them. The “geopolitical” landscape changed with the sanctions on Russia. You're with the West, Global North and the Global South is fighting against US hegemony, Western rules based order. You can’t have it both ways which is what you are trying to do now. You will get burned if you stick with the Global North.
Absolutely loved the reference to the despicable haunted pencil Robert, people like him are the problem, you lot are the solution, keep doing what you do! ❤️
Loved the news with a bit of a chuckle. We should be happy it's really happening, cheap wind and solar and electric car adoption is accelerating with every fossil fuel crisis.
Great video Robert. I hope that geothermal tech works. We've had a few Companies give it a go here in Australia without being able to commercialise it, although with the traditional tech so maybe this really is a break through. Fingers crossed.
Geo thermal technology is widely used in Iceland. UK in discussions with Iceland to lay an undersea power cable ... to go with the other undersea power cables from "Europe" to UK.
I maintain that your bit of fun programme about "Faraday Past" is worth retaining, and so is the name. Both for the proper indication of the company's likely "future", and the pure fun of calling a retro music band that name.
The argument that solar panels wont be recycled isnt that it isnt possible, but more that its too hard and too expensive. But as you say, the scale of the project makes it worth while. Also, in terms of things being difficult... floating drilling rigs that drill down into the sea floor miles under the surface and drill serpentine paths through various deposits is in no way EASY. And yet it is now common practice. If we can put all of that engineering to work for the sake of oil, certainly we can do it for solar recycling... now if global governments would just fund renewables at even a fraction of the amount they fund oil and gas extraction, maybe then we will get somewhere.
According to a 35 year swiss photovoltaic research study published a few years ago, as long as you protect the edges of the panels from water getting in, they seem like they could outlive their 25 year warranty by either 2 or 3 times.
Indeed they might ... but would be a tad less efficient than a new panel. Probably best to recycle the lot and create new panels with higher efficiency. Not everyone has enough space to plant old panels on their roof or back garden besides newer panels. Ergo a roof with f ar more efficient panels makes sense ref the output at all light levels. My panels pretend to produce energy from moonlight and they do in fact. However nothing the MPPTs can use. Repeat, just recycle your old lot and buy new. It would be like keeping your old creaky inefficient battery powered EV when you have your lovely new fuel cell car in a world full of even lovelier green hydrogen, oceans of it.
As an electrician who has worked on wind, solar, nuclear, combined cycle gas, and geothermal plants, I would like to point out the Achilles heal regarding geothermal energy. Any type of power plant that use a heat source to boil water and turn it into steam is a thermo-electric power plant (nuclear, gas, coal, oil, Geo-thermal, bio-waste, etc). All thermo-electric power plants heat water within a closed loop system that undergoes a phase change (becomes steam) to drive the turbines to produce the electricity. All thermo-electric power plants require cooling to then condense the steam back into water to continue the cycle. This cooling water is generally provided by an open source of fresh or sea water from lakes, rivers, aquifers, or the ocean. The colder the exterior source of water is, the more efficiently the plant runs. For some reason, high speed turbines are adverse to water with particles and minerals in it that can scour and make deposits on precisely balanced turbine blades, so this exterior source cold water is ran over heat exchangers that absorb the energy from the steam in the closed loop, and then the cooling water is often ran through cooling towers where evaporation of the water helps cool it enough to return what is left back to the aquifers, rivers, lakes, or ocean that it was drawn from, at a temperature that will not immediately injure any people or fish who happen to swim through it. I say "immediately" because the long term effects of dumping hot water into lakes, rivers, and the oceans is very damaging to wildlife and ecosystems. We are also running into the problem of lack of adequate water due to drought, or cold enough water to cool existing thermo-electric power plants. This exacerbates the problems caused by heat waves when thermo-electric power plants have to curtail power output for the same reasons that people need more energy. Geo-thermal power takes energy out of the earth that heats up a closed loop system, that must then be cooled by an exterior open system, and that hot water must be dumped back into the environment. So while it doesn't produce greenhouse gasses to heat the water, at a time when our planet can least afford it, we are still dumping waste heat into our atmosphere. There is also the fact that Geo-thermal power requires the same amount of cooling water as all other thermo-electric power plants. The USA currently uses about 58 trillion gallons of water a year in the energy sector, with more than two thirds of that going to cool power plants, with 1.2 trillion gallons lost to evaporation from cooling towers and hydro-electric dams every year. My personal opinion is that we need to get away from most sources of thermo-electric energy, and switch to about 75% to 80% wind, and 20% to 25% solar. Far more reliable, distributed, and less impactful to our precious life giving environment.
I would disagree. If not for renewables, Russia would not have taken advantage of our reliance on peaker plants, which use methane as fuel. Nuclear for the win. Geothermal? I doubt it
Gas is expensive as the market has handed a 1000% price windfall to gas producers & our new PM is going to borrow £100,000,000,000 to pay for it . With an election pledge of tax cuts , her first act is to create a dept & Truss Tax for the future !
That huge "windfall" (pun intended) also goes to our renewables producers since they all get the same rate for electricity generation in the UK. Let's hope they reinvest it in more renewables.
I remember during the faraday future unveil, they went to show their autonomous driving exiting the stage but when the lights went dim you can just see a guy dressed in black hop in the car and drive the car off!!
'Cheap wind end of discussion' section.... well said !!!!!! as for the melting drill reaction.. hilarious... nearly as much as Bingo Flangeworthy.. not that I'm namist.
I read a very interesting report in the press recently to say that the price of wind and solar in the UK is pegged to the price of oil and gas is that true?
Yup. It means that wind and solar farm owners are making lots more money than they would have expected* ... so let's hope this is being reinvested in more renewables and not all being passed to shareholders. (* in a similar way that oil/gas companies are making excess profits ... all due to the consequences of war ... feels just a little bit immoral.)
6:44 Robert, you tell us that you can't say "sem-eye" and then 57 seconds later you say "it's a 18 wheeler sem-eye..." In a Kryten voice: "ummm, sirrr, you are being very illogical and my neural net circuit is frying it's brains out. This will get me to silicon heaven very quickly!" Good one, and great episode. If this was a daily thing like SMR does, I promise you I would watch it every day. I love facts!!
Having just toured through France on my motorbike, it was amazing to see how many windmills there are across that country. Even at the docks in Bilbao on the way home, there were pieces of Siemens-branded windmills waiting to be installed or shipped off somewhere. It winds me up that we can't start using this technology on UK mainland. We seem to be falling behind rather than being the alleged entrepreneurial country our government proclaim us to be. Well done Robert.
Having been through France many times on my bike, and even Bilbao few times, I'm not sure Bilbao is actually in France. 🤣 Pretty sure there is a good reason we use off shore wind farms. Maybe check before you insult all the budding young entrepreneurs?
We already do, have you never been to Scotland? The Whitelees windfarm on Eaglessham moor a little way south of Glasgow at 539 Mega watts is the largest onshore turbine array in the UK. If the Tories stopped pandering to the English NIMBY faction, you could have them south of the border too.
I’ve spoken to a few architects recently who are all against solar panels as they say they create more carbon during manufacturing than nuclear and need to be disposed of after 25 years. Quite worrying that the designers of our future homes have this uninformed view…
I suggest you ignore Architects when it comes to the mechanical and electrical systems and talk to the M&E consultants and project managers. The other point is that Building regulations require a certain amount of on site power generation so unless the planners change the situation regarding wind turbines solar is the only solution.
@@waynerussell6401 Yes they do but they are not experts in M&E systems of which solar panels are part. They should know the rating of the materials they specify and hopefully how to design a specific air tightness for the building but they don’t specify the M&E systems. Architects are just one member of a design team and on large projects this team is lead by a project manager. I have just retired after being a quantity surveyor for 27 years then a client side construction project manager for 22 years mainly working on large laboratories so do have some knowledge of how this all works.
Sounds like you’re not speaking to the right architects, Charles. I work for several firms of architects. All new developments they’re working on include solar & shared electric heating of air/ground source, as applicable. This is the domain of M&E as others have said, but if you’re finding resistance to renewables on building projects, that will be purely down to cost, as prices of all building materials escalate through the roof. Horrendously, some new housing developments will need to be retro-fitted with adequate insulation, due to developers cutting corners on materials, & getting away with it due to slack building regs.
Gyrotron millimeter wave "drilling" sounds awesome 😎 I imagine that you would pump a liquid down in a closed loop, to then run a steam turbine? Maybe utilise the excess hot water for heated pools, central heating or factories that require heat for production.
I think FF is another FIsker, not another Nikola. Nikola seem to be on the way of becoming a product producing company. Fisker is still only on promises couple of decades after the first one
The idea of drilling a geothermal borehole next to existing power stations is great. The existing electrical distribution systems on site also led me to think "Why not decommission every third site, remove the gas boilers, and fill the generator halls with some cheaper, but bulkier, battery tech." (Like rust batteries, for example.) Increases grid storage at places where the grid already handles large energy values.
So how is the Eden Project borehole going then? Maybe its not a raging hot success? You need more than hot water to generate power in a gas turbine. It amazes me that some simple thermodynamics shows this is like flapping your arms to fly!
@@kimollivier Don't know the answer to that, just that it sounds a plausible idea. IIRC the granite geology made Cornwall suitable for such things (also lithium extraction, for example). My comment was more about repurposing power stations as power storage.
okay guys.. go immediately to minute 15:10 and enjoy Robert going crazy 🤪 I watched that part now for the 5th time and only can believe it after taking a screenshot and taking that picture in 🤣
Actually the world record conventionally drilled bore hole is 12km deep. Source Wikipedia- In May 2008, Maersk Oil drilled the world record extended reach well BD-04A in the field with the GSF Rig 127 operated by Transocean. The well was drilled incident free to a record measured length of 12,290 m I suspect that the costs of such a bore hole for geothermal are prohibitive using conventional means. Would be very surprised if vaporizing rock is actually cheaper than drilling because the energy a drill uses is much less than any kind of thermal Lance…
@@girowinters isn't it just wide-eyed naivety to believe that, because someone SAYS something is going to happen......it WILL....?!?! Come ON! This involves Elon MUSK, ffs......!
I notice they only show the gross weight for the Semi. One of the biggest concerns around it are the batteries more than halving the load weight available when compared to a diesel. Will be interesting to see some real specs here soon.
I’m not a drilling expert either, but from what I would be able to gather is that in order to reach the depths required with traditional drilling you would need to do some level of fracking. That introduces an increase in earthquakes. Before they started fracking In Oklahoma, Oklahoma would rarely have a magnitude 3 earthquake. In 2015 they had 30 between 4 and 4.7.
I think Nikola will go bankrupt in 2023 when they run out of investor money and can't afford to buy more IVECO parts from Europe. Nikola is burning cash like crazy. Nikola can't make any profit selling IVECO trucks with a Nikola grill. Lol 🤣🤣
I would buy one if they were available, seems a practical car for me. Not a fan of preorders however. I only say this because preorders don't necessarily correlate to low demand.
Big fan of Fully Charged and nice show here, too... but could you try steering away from recent phrases such as, "nine times cheaper"? Should be, "10% of..." or "a tenth", right?
Robert, What happens to the wind turbine blades at the end of life? Are these recyclable or do they just get buried in landfill? What damage will they do in the future? Genuine question as I am not against wind and solar as have solar on my roof.
Hi Ian, T~here has been one occassion, in the USA, where very old fiberglass wind turbine blades were indeed thrown into pits in the desert and covered over with dirt. A ridiculous non solution. Now there are 3 companies around the world (one in the UK) who cut up and grind down the old turbine blades (after 30 years of life) and add ther resulting compounds to cenment as a strengthening binder. There is also talk of using the material to road surfaces as it is very hard wearing. Basically no one is going to throw them away, they have monetary value, just like solar panels, just like batteries. No one ever asked what we do with old fossil fuel once it's been used, we know the reason and we know the consequences, have to breath it in every day.
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Wind and solar may be cheaper but you never know if they will work and if they are working how much they will produce? Therefore you need 100% back up for when they are producing nothing, factor that expense in and they aren't so very cheap.
Listening to talk radio you can count the seconds before they say fracking. There has to be some oil/gas company money going into talk radio somewhere?
Electrify America should spend less on marketing and more on reliability. Also that ff91 price is not doing them any favors. I'd rather get an aptera to be honest.
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In 25 years, I won't recycle my solar panels BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL BE WORKING. Solar panels don't just poop out and quit on their 25th birthday. The oldest solar panel I know of is over 45 years old and still working. It's down a bit, about 75% of its original output but that could be due to the owner not having sprayed it off in over five years.
it's an average. so it is to be expected that a majority of panels will not last more than (on average) 25 years.
@@maozedong549 On average, panels degrade around .6% from the nominal rating per year. So if you add up those loses over 30 years you retain around 80% of original output. And the losses taper from that time into the future. Some lose a little faster some a little slower. Most things do not just wink out of utility. They gradually fade out or are superceded until they take up more time, space, and maintenance than they are worth to sustain.
Of all things Einstein did , it was solar power that won him Nobel prize.
Very true, and as solar modules have gotten so cheap, I just oversized the PV array by 20% to account for degradation. It will still most likely be functioning very well for decades after I am dead and gone. I have had customers that when upgrading, sold their old modules for more than the cost of new ones, since there are owners of old system wishing to replace damaged modules or expand existing systems.
Are you sure they will produce enough for you in that time? You may want to replace them. Iike to play villain's advocate.
Robert... thumbs up from me for your outspoken, cut the crap, tell it how it is debunking of all the dangerous and ridiculous pro-fossil fuel propaganda. If I could double-like and double-subscribe, I would. Keep it up!
Huzzah! At the end of a really tough week, this has really cheered me up. Thanks guys. I'd like much more about stuff other than cars. Can't wait until I can afford an EV (in money and convenience.), but I don't really care about how it looks, or how many horses it takes to power it. A radical improvement in boring tech, will be revolutionary and not just for that lovely, lovely heat down there.
The solar panels are not the primary problem on the ISS :D
Love the vibe, but not sure where youre going with all that love.
That gas rant was really impressive.
As for recycling solar panels, my understanding is that they don't just simply stop working in 20-25 years but they produce less and less power over the years. So... another option instead of recycling them is to reuse them in situations where solar might otherwise be too expensive. For example, to power well pumps in sub-Sahara Africa or other low to middling power needs in other remote areas of the world.
do you know the cost of shipping solar panels around the world? Would it make sense when you can get new ones with a known life expectancy? Like most "green" things, they will probably end up in landfill. 🤨
Know some follks who bought used panels for a great discount, hooked them up, and they work great. Produce plenty of power for their needs. Reduce, Reuse and Recycle.
@@geoffhaylock6848 Do you? Have you looked into this? I'd be interested to know. But putting that aside, solar panels exist all over the world. Guaranteed there are plenty within a few hundred miles of where they might be needed. Groups such as missionaries are constantly bringing equipment such as water purification systems, structures and other equipment. Makes sense they could just add end-of-life solar panels to that list. You're not going to throw them in a box and send them out FedEx... And when they finally are providing no energy, they can still be used for other purposes.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere I have looked into shipping and packaging. Shipping solar panels is very expensive. It's not like dropping off clothes at your local Tesco's clothes bank. Just because things like water purification systems are built somewhere, it doesn't mean they were cheap.
@@geoffhaylock6848 Perhaps it is, but if people are going to these places anyways, with lots of equipment, might as well bring something that otherwise was going to be scrapped. And sure water purification systems are expensive, but some might say that keeping human beings alive might be worth it...
I wish all news was like this, fully opinionated, it would be so much more fun!
I popped in expecting news, not to crack up every few seconds!! This is priceless!!!! Please start doing ALL newscasts ALL the time!!!
The BEST episode of Fully Charged in my opinion was the Farraday Past episode with Johnny!
Wondrous show!! Thank you 💜
Finally something positive on UA-cam!
We have some 20 year old panels in storage that still work 100% problem is they are are only 100w, they will be reused just haven't found an application for them yet!
Love almost breaking news with Robert as he outs humour into it which makes it great fun to watch.
At 13:10.....he's all three Robert...haven't you worked that out yet!!!!! Brilliant rant Robert...just Brilliant
One argument I hear against Electric cars is that the grid won't handle the load. What they do not understand is that it takes electricity to create the gas we currently use. As gas production goes down, the power savings will be used to charge all those electric cars.
Yes but it doesn't mean there is magically enough grid infrastructure to supply the massive increase in demand required. I'm totally for electric vehicles but currently (npi) the cables and wires aren't big enough for every household to charge electric cars and heat electric houses. It's either replace the infrastructure (massive) or implement some kind of local individual battery storage...(also massive)....
@@Rob-ln7dd I charge the EV at night when the house is 'quiet' in terms of other uses. I'm not saying you are incorrect, at the same time demand management is an important a solution as bigger cables.
@@PowerOn- Depends what country you happen to live.
Further research will reveal the terrain itself has a huge effect on batteries, as in the "actual range" cf the fiction the manufacturers hope you'll swallow.
Added to that is a battery EV is to be reckoned to be more "efficient" in an urban area because of regenerative braking.
Motorways driving not so useful for range so to speak.
Which is why we'll driving hydrogen fuel cell in just a few years.
We have so much green hydrogen sloshing around we won't know what to do with it.
Well and colourfully said Robert, as always thanks for laying out the truth AND making us smile.
My favorite Fully Charged episodes. More Please!
Came here to say the same!
Here in Western Australia, where we produce a lot of gas for export (thanks for the money UK). The government gets gas for a low price from the Gas companies in return for the rights to export the gas. So a local gas supply could save the UK money if there were similar agreements. Though exploration for new gas fields has almost halted here as most of it has already been found and it is not economic to develop the small amounts left. Which is of course good news for the environment.
On a positive note there are massive wind and solar projects in the planning stage here. WA is planning to become a major exporter of green Hydrogen or Ammonia. We could become the middle east of renewables.
You think the Shell employee who is our current prime minister is going to agree to implement such a scheme that would limit her bosses profits?
Don’t expect anything positive of this. Australia is part of the Global North “Great Reset” and will do everything it is told by the US and your handlers. Remember the joke that Australia Is sometimes referred to as the 51st US State? :-)
Pacific countries see you as allied to Western White colonial powers and not a trusted partner in economic growth in the region. They lump you into the same pot of countries responsible for the horrendous atrocities to the peoples of S, SE, and E Asia over the last several centuries that are now , again being escalated against them.
The “geopolitical” landscape changed with the sanctions on Russia. You're with the West, Global North and the Global South is fighting against US hegemony, Western rules based order. You can’t have it both ways which is what you are trying to do now.
You will get burned if you stick with the Global North.
Absolutely loved the reference to the despicable haunted pencil Robert, people like him are the problem, you lot are the solution, keep doing what you do! ❤️
Love your enthusiasm and positive spin on topics of interest to me.
Glad to see the Faraday Past shout out.
Thanks
This is a gentle gun 😁. Nice one Robert
Loved the news with a bit of a chuckle. We should be happy it's really happening, cheap wind and solar and electric car adoption is accelerating with every fossil fuel crisis.
Great video!
Nice. Count me in. FCL
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Great video Robert. I hope that geothermal tech works. We've had a few Companies give it a go here in Australia without being able to commercialise it, although with the traditional tech so maybe this really is a break through. Fingers crossed.
Geo thermal technology is widely used in Iceland.
UK in discussions with Iceland to lay an undersea power cable ... to go with the other undersea power cables from "Europe" to UK.
Thanks for the content! Always well thought out and entertaining.
I maintain that your bit of fun programme about "Faraday Past" is worth retaining, and so is the name. Both for the proper indication of the company's likely "future", and the pure fun of calling a retro music band that name.
The argument that solar panels wont be recycled isnt that it isnt possible, but more that its too hard and too expensive. But as you say, the scale of the project makes it worth while. Also, in terms of things being difficult... floating drilling rigs that drill down into the sea floor miles under the surface and drill serpentine paths through various deposits is in no way EASY. And yet it is now common practice. If we can put all of that engineering to work for the sake of oil, certainly we can do it for solar recycling... now if global governments would just fund renewables at even a fraction of the amount they fund oil and gas extraction, maybe then we will get somewhere.
It's not hard, or expensive to recycle solar panels.
@@rogerstarkey5390 .... but that is the argument.
Got my like when you said "you muppet", that made me giggle! :D
Thank you, have fun in San Diego.
According to a 35 year swiss photovoltaic research study published a few years ago, as long as you protect the edges of the panels from water getting in, they seem like they could outlive their 25 year warranty by either 2 or 3 times.
Indeed they might ... but would be a tad less efficient than a new panel.
Probably best to recycle the lot and create new panels with higher efficiency.
Not everyone has enough space to plant old panels on their roof or back garden besides newer panels.
Ergo a roof with f
ar more efficient panels makes sense ref the output at all light levels.
My panels pretend to produce energy from moonlight and they do in fact.
However nothing the MPPTs can use.
Repeat, just recycle your old lot and buy new.
It would be like keeping your old creaky inefficient battery powered EV when you have your lovely new fuel cell car in a world full of even lovelier green hydrogen, oceans of it.
As an electrician who has worked on wind, solar, nuclear, combined cycle gas, and geothermal plants, I would like to point out the Achilles heal regarding geothermal energy. Any type of power plant that use a heat source to boil water and turn it into steam is a thermo-electric power plant (nuclear, gas, coal, oil, Geo-thermal, bio-waste, etc). All thermo-electric power plants heat water within a closed loop system that undergoes a phase change (becomes steam) to drive the turbines to produce the electricity.
All thermo-electric power plants require cooling to then condense the steam back into water to continue the cycle. This cooling water is generally provided by an open source of fresh or sea water from lakes, rivers, aquifers, or the ocean. The colder the exterior source of water is, the more efficiently the plant runs.
For some reason, high speed turbines are adverse to water with particles and minerals in it that can scour and make deposits on precisely balanced turbine blades, so this exterior source cold water is ran over heat exchangers that absorb the energy from the steam in the closed loop, and then the cooling water is often ran through cooling towers where evaporation of the water helps cool it enough to return what is left back to the aquifers, rivers, lakes, or ocean that it was drawn from, at a temperature that will not immediately injure any people or fish who happen to swim through it.
I say "immediately" because the long term effects of dumping hot water into lakes, rivers, and the oceans is very damaging to wildlife and ecosystems. We are also running into the problem of lack of adequate water due to drought, or cold enough water to cool existing thermo-electric power plants. This exacerbates the problems caused by heat waves when thermo-electric power plants have to curtail power output for the same reasons that people need more energy.
Geo-thermal power takes energy out of the earth that heats up a closed loop system, that must then be cooled by an exterior open system, and that hot water must be dumped back into the environment. So while it doesn't produce greenhouse gasses to heat the water, at a time when our planet can least afford it, we are still dumping waste heat into our atmosphere. There is also the fact that Geo-thermal power requires the same amount of cooling water as all other thermo-electric power plants. The USA currently uses about 58 trillion gallons of water a year in the energy sector, with more than two thirds of that going to cool power plants, with 1.2 trillion gallons lost to evaporation from cooling towers and hydro-electric dams every year.
My personal opinion is that we need to get away from most sources of thermo-electric energy, and switch to about 75% to 80% wind, and 20% to 25% solar. Far more reliable, distributed, and less impactful to our precious life giving environment.
I would disagree.
If not for renewables, Russia would not have taken advantage of our reliance on peaker plants, which use methane as fuel.
Nuclear for the win. Geothermal? I doubt it
@@موسى_7 Nuclear can't fluctuate with demand, it fulfils a completely different role to gas.
Gas is expensive as the market has handed a 1000% price windfall to gas producers & our new PM is going to borrow £100,000,000,000 to pay for it . With an election pledge of tax cuts , her first act is to create a dept & Truss Tax for the future !
That huge "windfall" (pun intended) also goes to our renewables producers since they all get the same rate for electricity generation in the UK. Let's hope they reinvest it in more renewables.
I remember during the faraday future unveil, they went to show their autonomous driving exiting the stage but when the lights went dim you can just see a guy dressed in black hop in the car and drive the car off!!
Great format for news, keep it up!
Just love your stuff Rob.
Thanks for the update, mate!
'Cheap wind end of discussion' section.... well said !!!!!! as for the melting drill reaction.. hilarious... nearly as much as Bingo Flangeworthy.. not that I'm namist.
Love your energy mate. Keep it up.
Well spoken sir! BTW New King's on your side I believe 🙂 ... Jim Bell (Australia)
I read a very interesting report in the press recently to say that the price of wind and solar in the UK is pegged to the price of oil and gas is that true?
yes, there was an episode on it here and also mainstream news
Yup. It means that wind and solar farm owners are making lots more money than they would have expected* ... so let's hope this is being reinvested in more renewables and not all being passed to shareholders. (* in a similar way that oil/gas companies are making excess profits ... all due to the consequences of war ... feels just a little bit immoral.)
@@MrAdopado I think the sensible thing is to reinvest
Oh that Rees- Mogg impersonation is awesome.
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"He's an idiot, He's a liar!" 12:58
"What the WHHHAATTT!!" 15:11
Those parts are so meme and worthy 😂. I will abuse themdaily in the work/group chat 😂
6:44 Robert, you tell us that you can't say "sem-eye" and then 57 seconds later you say "it's a 18 wheeler sem-eye..."
In a Kryten voice: "ummm, sirrr, you are being very illogical and my neural net circuit is frying it's brains out. This will get me to silicon heaven very quickly!"
Good one, and great episode. If this was a daily thing like SMR does, I promise you I would watch it every day. I love facts!!
I absolutely love Roberts sense of humour.
This garden studio has very interesting lighting in your background as the sun goes in and out of the clouds.
I really love these episodes
Having just toured through France on my motorbike, it was amazing to see how many windmills there are across that country. Even at the docks in Bilbao on the way home, there were pieces of Siemens-branded windmills waiting to be installed or shipped off somewhere. It winds me up that we can't start using this technology on UK mainland. We seem to be falling behind rather than being the alleged entrepreneurial country our government proclaim us to be. Well done Robert.
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You could try a Google ref our offshore wind turbine farms ... and the rationale behind them being there.
Having been through France many times on my bike, and even Bilbao few times, I'm not sure Bilbao is actually in France. 🤣 Pretty sure there is a good reason we use off shore wind farms. Maybe check before you insult all the budding young entrepreneurs?
@@geoffhaylock6848 Good spot and my mistake, I returned via Bilbao having travelled through France. 😆
@@Hertfordshire_Biker I have done it in the reverse direction 😁
We already do, have you never been to Scotland? The Whitelees windfarm on Eaglessham moor a little way south of Glasgow at 539 Mega watts is the largest onshore turbine array in the UK. If the Tories stopped pandering to the English NIMBY faction, you could have them south of the border too.
Congrats on being max's hero of the week.
With California's electricity woes, is a Tesla Mega Charger for trucks really a good high availability option???
Donald Trump : Boris Johnson :: Marjorie Taylor Greene : Liz Truss
And good job describing Jacob Rees-Mogg there
"an awfully large articulated lorry" 😆
What an episode, "old balding men with good tape" 😆
Thanks for mentioning Quaise Energy, I wrote a letter to my MP about them, many months ago, predictably she never replied.
Love your work 👍
That's some high quality/entertaining news right there!
Excited about the Aptera Gamma being revealed on Saturday!
Re: Wind Power. Well said Sir. Shares in fraking firms held by he-who-must-not-be-named pretty much a forgone conclusion. Keep up the good work!
I’ve spoken to a few architects recently who are all against solar panels as they say they create more carbon during manufacturing than nuclear and need to be disposed of after 25 years. Quite worrying that the designers of our future homes have this uninformed view…
I suggest you ignore Architects when it comes to the mechanical and electrical systems and talk to the M&E consultants and project managers. The other point is that Building regulations require a certain amount of on site power generation so unless the planners change the situation regarding wind turbines solar is the only solution.
I can safely say as an ex electrician that architects don't know electro mechanical a lot of the time hahaha
Good architects know about Trombe walls, and other Passive Heating tools, and CO2 outputs of all building material choices.
@@waynerussell6401 Yes they do but they are not experts in M&E systems of which solar panels are part. They should know the rating of the materials they specify and hopefully how to design a specific air tightness for the building but they don’t specify the M&E systems. Architects are just one member of a design team and on large projects this team is lead by a project manager. I have just retired after being a quantity surveyor for 27 years then a client side construction project manager for 22 years mainly working on large laboratories so do have some knowledge of how this all works.
Sounds like you’re not speaking to the right architects, Charles. I work for several firms of architects. All new developments they’re working on include solar & shared electric heating of air/ground source, as applicable. This is the domain of M&E as others have said, but if you’re finding resistance to renewables on building projects, that will be purely down to cost, as prices of all building materials escalate through the roof. Horrendously, some new housing developments will need to be retro-fitted with adequate insulation, due to developers cutting corners on materials, & getting away with it due to slack building regs.
Love the Fardaay past reference, still miss Jony.
Gyrotron millimeter wave "drilling" sounds awesome 😎
I imagine that you would pump a liquid down in a closed loop, to then run a steam turbine? Maybe utilise the excess hot water for heated pools, central heating or factories that require heat for production.
I think FF is another FIsker, not another Nikola.
Nikola seem to be on the way of becoming a product producing company. Fisker is still only on promises couple of decades after the first one
The idea of drilling a geothermal borehole next to existing power stations is great. The existing electrical distribution systems on site also led me to think "Why not decommission every third site, remove the gas boilers, and fill the generator halls with some cheaper, but bulkier, battery tech." (Like rust batteries, for example.) Increases grid storage at places where the grid already handles large energy values.
So how is the Eden Project borehole going then? Maybe its not a raging hot success? You need more than hot water to generate power in a gas turbine. It amazes me that some simple thermodynamics shows this is like flapping your arms to fly!
@@kimollivier Don't know the answer to that, just that it sounds a plausible idea. IIRC the granite geology made Cornwall suitable for such things (also lithium extraction, for example). My comment was more about repurposing power stations as power storage.
okay guys.. go immediately to minute 15:10 and enjoy Robert going crazy 🤪
I watched that part now for the 5th time and only can believe it after taking a screenshot and taking that picture in 🤣
Great video mate
I wish I could like this video harder
Great Vid as usual.
Actually the world record conventionally drilled bore hole is 12km deep. Source Wikipedia- In May 2008, Maersk Oil drilled the world record extended reach well BD-04A in the field with the GSF Rig 127 operated by Transocean. The well was drilled incident free to a record measured length of 12,290 m
I suspect that the costs of such a bore hole for geothermal are prohibitive using conventional means.
Would be very surprised if vaporizing rock is actually cheaper than drilling because the energy a drill uses is much less than any kind of thermal Lance…
How many times will Faraday Future go bankrupt ? In my eyes, FF is just one step above Nikola.
Nikola bankrupt in 2023 😎
6:19 I was there when Faraday Past opened for King Crimson in Grimsblee Park. I still groove to the song 'electrify my eye' like it was yesterday.
I have been unable to stop laughing since you said Bingo Flangeworthy- they should be made CEO of something important.
The semi is about as imminent as FSD coming to the UK!
first deliveries this year, maybe not many but they are coming
@@girowinters
Hmm, simply because they're coming here does not imply the function will be signed off at the docks.
@@girowinters isn't it just wide-eyed naivety to believe that, because someone SAYS something is going to happen......it WILL....?!?!
Come ON! This involves Elon MUSK, ffs......!
I notice they only show the gross weight for the Semi. One of the biggest concerns around it are the batteries more than halving the load weight available when compared to a diesel. Will be interesting to see some real specs here soon.
I'll hang on to my Faraday Past tee shirt then
Garden’s looking great. Before Fully Charged you covered the status of your garden on your other channel.
I’m not a drilling expert either, but from what I would be able to gather is that in order to reach the depths required with traditional drilling you would need to do some level of fracking. That introduces an increase in earthquakes.
Before they started fracking In Oklahoma, Oklahoma would rarely have a magnitude 3 earthquake. In 2015 they had 30 between 4 and 4.7.
Nikola is still alive, guys. Obviously: so are Tesla & BEV shareholers.
I think Nikola will go bankrupt in 2023 when they run out of investor money and can't afford to buy more IVECO parts from Europe. Nikola is burning cash like crazy. Nikola can't make any profit selling IVECO trucks with a Nikola grill. Lol 🤣🤣
I would buy one if they were available, seems a practical car for me. Not a fan of preorders however. I only say this because preorders don't necessarily correlate to low demand.
Well.... that was a very very positiv video. Not a ounce of negativity at all.
How do you recycle the wind turbines and where do you store the energy for when it's not windy or windy enough?
Wind is not the answer. It is part of the answer. We will not rely on wind alone. Wind turbines are recycled to their component parts, just like cars.
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Firstly, with great care ...
Secondly, we could be generating hydrogen for fuel cell transport.
WTF. !!WTF !! Wtf,! Loved that 😂
well put about fracking. That should be played on the news everytime someone mentions it
Common let's get 1Million subs everyone! Cheers to the Fully Charged Team.
Big fan of Fully Charged and nice show here, too... but could you try steering away from recent phrases such as, "nine times cheaper"? Should be, "10% of..." or "a tenth", right?
“Oh my god he’s really keen!”
Lol he’s so cute
Please check again, I believe the first Tesla Semi will start its deliveries to PepsiCo on 1st of December 2022.
“THEY GOT BALLS!”
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Please put the Faraday Past t-shirt back in the FC shop!
Spot on Boris impression there Robert. :D :D
Robert, What happens to the wind turbine blades at the end of life? Are these recyclable or do they just get buried in landfill? What damage will they do in the future? Genuine question as I am not against wind and solar as have solar on my roof.
Hi Ian, T~here has been one occassion, in the USA, where very old fiberglass wind turbine blades were indeed thrown into pits in the desert and covered over with dirt. A ridiculous non solution. Now there are 3 companies around the world (one in the UK) who cut up and grind down the old turbine blades (after 30 years of life) and add ther resulting compounds to cenment as a strengthening binder. There is also talk of using the material to road surfaces as it is very hard wearing. Basically no one is going to throw them away, they have monetary value, just like solar panels, just like batteries.
No one ever asked what we do with old fossil fuel once it's been used, we know the reason and we know the consequences, have to breath it in every day.
"Daffodils, hearts-ease and flocks, meadow sweet and lilies, stocks,
Gentle lupins and tall hollyhocks,
Roses, fox-gloves, snowdrops, forget-me-knots in an English country garden"
I was amused by this
Wind and solar may be cheaper but you never know if they will work and if they are working how much they will produce?
Therefore you need 100% back up for when they are producing nothing, factor that expense in and they aren't so very cheap.
Listening to talk radio you can count the seconds before they say fracking.
There has to be some oil/gas company money going into talk radio somewhere?
“It’s been five long years…”
…and I love you just the same.
(With apologies to Colin James.)
15:09 when you're still young at heart.
Going solar Wednesday. 👍🇬🇧
I have a massive scratch in my Faraday Past LP. Where can I get another?
Electrify America should spend less on marketing and more on reliability. Also that ff91 price is not doing them any favors. I'd rather get an aptera to be honest.