The thing that really annoys me is that regarding multimeters. We who do repairs have them and most often need them to test thermistors,variable votages and continuity and yet are not trusted to use the same tool to test for 1 of those features 240v. My last gas safe inspector told me I should be wearing a portable monoxide detector for entering people's homes. I said what about when I go out socially and he said yes there too. I think I will just take my analyser with me to the pub
Toolbag for plumbing, toolbag for gas, toolbag for oil, toolbag for AC , toolbag for gas. Gonna need another toolbag 😂, have got it all anyway 🤜. Nice video derek👌👌
Hello Derek, So a screw through the bracket to the live conductor and the fuse /RCD trip didn't go? Does this mean that the boiler had been incorrectly wired, with no earth? and thereby all the heating and gas pipes were also live? Someone could have been Killed!
Thank you for such a prompt reply, Like you I've been doing this for a long time and love your way of passing information. Back to the live casing though.... If the case was live why didn't it go to earth and trip / blow the fuse ? Cheers Derek
Hi Derrek always enjoy your videos. You explained the none contact volt stick needs to test as low as 50volts but you tested on a 240 volt outlet, that suggests it only has been proved for 240volts not 50volts or is the test acceptable for full range of voltages.
Testing it at 230 volts is good enough to prove it’s working. The proving unit also only test the 2 pole tester at 230 volts even though it can show 12 volts.
As nice as the bulletin is, from dual qualified position it's a bit of a joke. For instance the death sticks should never be used to prove dead but are used to identify if something is live and honestly should never be trusted. Voltage testers are always a sensible idea (multi-meters don't comply with GS38 though they're more useful for a service and breakdown engineer). It's been a long time coming but it also shows installs should have a double pole or triple pole fan isolator with fuse, not just be supplied via a switch fuse that doesn't isolate the neutral. Personally I find the biggest safety issue these days to be that lack of isolation especially on properties where supplies are now TNC-S (PME) as if the neutral rots in the road the CPC's/ earth of the installation becomes a line conductor, which a death stick will pick up after isolation in a property with a solid floor but not always with suspended floors.
Derek thanks for another cheer me up and throw our tools away 😂 video 👌 Can see Monday first job a belter. Stuck in traffic ULEZ2 Can't park Miserable customer Carry out safety checks Boiler dead. Order parts. Can't wait until Tuesday 🙄😂👌
Derek I have a question , I have an old boiler 25kwh which will have to be swapped out, British Gas came around and said as part of building l all the radiators must be fitted with trv, and pipe work gas to be altered into zones than s plan and only quoted for a boiler 3 kwh more than the heat loss now my brain is telling me that won’t be big enough if we are losing 20kwh in heat on the property as the cylinder would need more than 3kwh to heat it indirectly or am I getting my math wrong but also queried why if they have to change the heating feed to the cylinder to from 22mm to 28mm he quotes just new regs is that right ? My understanding is hot water is hot water and have no interest to go to a heat pump again especially with s building with 20kwh heat loss
@@milkyporridge5929 i am trying to query what a supposed professional told me, which i think is wrong hence ask the pro man who has covered changes in part l but i didn't fully understand so was hoping for a quick answer if this was mandatory or could I keep with 22 and 15mm pipes as a 28mm would mean a major refit which i am not prepared to pay for, especially when others with online quotes are quoting over half less which is why I am confused the price disproportion heck its far cheaper to convert the place to a combi than what I have been quoted twice, but british gas were the only ones to do a heat calculation and seem to be quoting things I don;'t know if they are true or not for upgrades
The only trade to have to be regulated to do all other trades as well...what next from gas safe? Common sense when working with gas or electricity should come to the forefront. Analysers were a one off qualification, which was straight away added to our 5 year acs course! How many times has the way we use our FGA changed? 18:43 Do builders have to go back to be told how to lay bricks every 5 years and joiners how to cut timber safely? Maybe gas safe should be ensuring our National gas transporter adheres to basic gas safety regulations and not allowing them to be EXEMPT( as confirmed to me directly from gas safe register)is that not also deemed a danger?? Yes they can re-pipe one of my installations due to a new main and relocation of the gas meter and very poorly as well and carry out no gas checks or commissioning of the appliances allowing the clown to re-connect to redundant pipework as well creating an 8mbar drop before he left, disced the meter and started next doors gas work!!!! The gas industry is smoke screens and mirrors hence why so many engineers fail to renew every year, as with this country we know how to push good people away normally due to continuous greed. Some of the so called Rogue engineers are probably some very good well educated engineers doing nothing wrong but opting not to keep paying for their plastic card and be a puppet to this industry, I wonder why we have a shortage of trades?? Rant over.
I disagree with testing an earth path with a beeping function. A beep says there is an earth but it doesn’t tell you how good that earth is. To my mind you can only check that by measuring the ohms resistance with a multi meter. A high resistance could be a poor earth connection but would still give a beep if that was the only way you tested. Gas Safe should maybe not treat us all like idiots!
Absolutely not! You will drown in red tape and regulations until you’re no longer able to function as a business and then this smug bell end will wag his finger and say “well you should be able to do it” as he wraps up a 50min video on electrical isolation ….
@@stevenpatrick9213 Well you either work safely or you don't. It's your funeral. These checks have been around years. Have we all been as disciplined as we should be over doing them? probably not, but it never does harm to be reminded how to work safely and get yourself back on track doing what you know you should be doing. You should thank Derrick, not diss him.
“Hi Mrs jones I’m here to service your boiler” “Ok brilliant, how long do you think you’ll take?” “ oh no longer than 4/5 hours Mrs jones and to make it economically viable I’ll have to charge £360” (Door slams in face)
Please tell me how being safe ie carrying out the safe to touch test before you start going to make a service take 4/5 hours and why are you not already doing the test as this has been around for nearly 10 years
Don’t be a passive aggressive bitch, you know full well if you do absolutely everything (risk assessments ect and the like) all the safety stuff/paperwork and a full proper service it’s going to take hours and don’t pretend it won’t. Even if it takes 2 hours that’s £200+ seals ect in London and NO ONE is paying that. You can be a snarky twat all you like but I live in the real world where we have to actually make a living and are beholden to the forces of the market. Ps if you compiled the time you take to even explain all these things in your videos it would be more like 500 hours.
Jon-Paul Ward 👍thanks for keeping us updated Derek.
The thing that really annoys me is that regarding multimeters. We who do repairs have them and most often need them to test thermistors,variable votages and continuity and yet are not trusted to use the same tool to test for 1 of those features 240v. My last gas safe inspector told me I should be wearing a portable monoxide detector for entering people's homes. I said what about when I go out socially and he said yes there too. I think I will just take my analyser with me to the pub
i know what you mean, the new ones are not on this planet
At college, a known source was a plug top with holes drilled in to check the meter with. Shocking.
Toolbag for plumbing, toolbag for gas, toolbag for oil, toolbag for AC , toolbag for gas. Gonna need another toolbag 😂, have got it all anyway 🤜. Nice video derek👌👌
Thank you very much, I was desperately waiting for this video, all clear now.
I'm all for this but will the customer be happy to pay more ?
Hello Derek, So a screw through the bracket to the live conductor and the fuse /RCD trip didn't go? Does this mean that the boiler had been incorrectly wired, with no earth? and thereby all the heating and gas pipes were also live? Someone could have been Killed!
No it had only just nicked the live it didn’t touch the earth wire and it was on a fuse not mcb and yes some could have been killed
Thanks Derek
For making these Videos
Thank you for such a prompt reply, Like you I've been doing this for a long time and love your way of passing information. Back to the live casing though.... If the case was live why didn't it go to earth and trip / blow the fuse ?
Cheers Derek
Top and bottom of the boiler were plastic and not connected to earth so live case good job it was in an office in a locked cupboard
EXCELLENT VIDEO! If a boiler has a plug that's plugged in to a socket with a switch, is the installation of the boiler considered AR?
Nope
How do you knw the prover is faulty ?
Hi Derrek always enjoy your videos. You explained the none contact volt stick needs to test as low as 50volts but you tested on a 240 volt outlet, that suggests it only has been proved for 240volts not 50volts or is the test acceptable for full range of voltages.
Testing it at 230 volts is good enough to prove it’s working. The proving unit also only test the 2 pole tester at 230 volts even though it can show 12 volts.
I'm gonna have to buy a bigger van if this continues (Note electric) lol, Many thanks again Derek.
Well done Derek, some great info here 👍
An effin tester for a tester for a tester 😖🙄
Or crack on with the known live source, completely within regs. I wonder if someone in GSR has shares in a proving unit manufacturer.................
It’s getting ridiculous now, and of bloody tools we have to keep buying
Thanks Derek great video 👍
As nice as the bulletin is, from dual qualified position it's a bit of a joke. For instance the death sticks should never be used to prove dead but are used to identify if something is live and honestly should never be trusted. Voltage testers are always a sensible idea (multi-meters don't comply with GS38 though they're more useful for a service and breakdown engineer).
It's been a long time coming but it also shows installs should have a double pole or triple pole fan isolator with fuse, not just be supplied via a switch fuse that doesn't isolate the neutral. Personally I find the biggest safety issue these days to be that lack of isolation especially on properties where supplies are now TNC-S (PME) as if the neutral rots in the road the CPC's/ earth of the installation becomes a line conductor, which a death stick will pick up after isolation in a property with a solid floor but not always with suspended floors.
Really good as always.
Derek thanks for another cheer me up and throw our tools away 😂 video 👌
Can see Monday first job a belter.
Stuck in traffic
ULEZ2
Can't park
Miserable customer
Carry out safety checks
Boiler dead.
Order parts.
Can't wait until Tuesday 🙄😂👌
Great video Derek, very informative will recommend to gas apprentices if that's okay?
Of course 👍🏻
@@tomkatgastraining Thanks Derek. Keep up the good work.
Derek I have a question , I have an old boiler 25kwh which will have to be swapped out, British Gas came around and said as part of building l all the radiators must be fitted with trv, and pipe work gas to be altered into zones than s plan and only quoted for a boiler 3 kwh more than the heat loss now my brain is telling me that won’t be big enough if we are losing 20kwh in heat on the property as the cylinder would need more than 3kwh to heat it indirectly or am I getting my math wrong but also queried why if they have to change the heating feed to the cylinder to from 22mm to 28mm he quotes just new regs is that right ? My understanding is hot water is hot water and have no interest to go to a heat pump again especially with s building with 20kwh heat loss
Why don’t you pay a professional to look at your situation rather than hoping for free advice on youtube?
@@milkyporridge5929 i am trying to query what a supposed professional told me, which i think is wrong hence ask the pro man who has covered changes in part l but i didn't fully understand so was hoping for a quick answer if this was mandatory or could I keep with 22 and 15mm pipes as a 28mm would mean a major refit which i am not prepared to pay for, especially when others with online quotes are quoting over half less which is why I am confused the price disproportion heck its far cheaper to convert the place to a combi than what I have been quoted twice, but british gas were the only ones to do a heat calculation and seem to be quoting things I don;'t know if they are true or not for upgrades
Thanks for that Derek.
The only trade to have to be regulated to do all other trades as well...what next from gas safe? Common sense when working with gas or electricity should come to the forefront.
Analysers were a one off qualification, which was straight away added to our 5 year acs course! How many times has the way we use our FGA changed? 18:43
Do builders have to go back to be told how to lay bricks every 5 years and joiners how to cut timber safely?
Maybe gas safe should be ensuring our National gas transporter adheres to basic gas safety regulations and not allowing them to be EXEMPT( as confirmed to me directly from gas safe register)is that not also deemed a danger??
Yes they can re-pipe one of my installations due to a new main and relocation of the gas meter and very poorly as well and carry out no gas checks or commissioning of the appliances allowing the clown to re-connect to redundant pipework as well creating an 8mbar drop before he left, disced the meter and started next doors gas work!!!!
The gas industry is smoke screens and mirrors hence why so many engineers fail to renew every year, as with this country we know how to push good people away normally due to continuous greed. Some of the so called Rogue engineers are probably some very good well educated engineers doing nothing wrong but opting not to keep paying for their plastic card and be a puppet to this industry, I wonder why we have a shortage of trades??
Rant over.
always touch with the back of the hand, needs to be added.
Hi just wondering how you use the socket and see on a fuse spur 😊
Site work is where you really do need to watch your back. People switch stuff on an off and don't give a monkeys about you.
I disagree with testing an earth path with a beeping function. A beep says there is an earth but it doesn’t tell you how good that earth is. To my mind you can only check that by measuring the ohms resistance with a multi meter. A high resistance could be a poor earth connection but would still give a beep if that was the only way you tested. Gas Safe should maybe not treat us all like idiots!
God help us, can we just get on with the job
Absolutely not! You will drown in red tape and regulations until you’re no longer able to function as a business and then this smug bell end will wag his finger and say “well you should be able to do it” as he wraps up a 50min video on electrical isolation ….
@@stevenpatrick9213 Well you either work safely or you don't. It's your funeral. These checks have been around years. Have we all been as disciplined as we should be over doing them? probably not, but it never does harm to be reminded how to work safely and get yourself back on track doing what you know you should be doing. You should thank Derrick, not diss him.
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Il use my voltsick 😂
“Hi Mrs jones I’m here to service your boiler”
“Ok brilliant, how long do you think you’ll take?”
“ oh no longer than 4/5 hours Mrs jones and to make it economically viable I’ll have to charge £360”
(Door slams in face)
Please tell me how being safe ie carrying out the safe to touch test before you start going to make a service take 4/5 hours and why are you not already doing the test as this has been around for nearly 10 years
“Well, I work for BG so about 10 minutes I should be done” 😂
Don’t be a passive aggressive bitch, you know full well if you do absolutely everything (risk assessments ect and the like) all the safety stuff/paperwork and a full proper service it’s going to take hours and don’t pretend it won’t. Even if it takes 2 hours that’s £200+ seals ect in London and NO ONE is paying that.
You can be a snarky twat all you like but I live in the real world where we have to actually make a living and are beholden to the forces of the market.
Ps if you compiled the time you take to even explain all these things in your videos it would be more like 500 hours.
And obviously a wet finger ☝️
Take 20min before you even start!