Being in a MLM is like being in an abusive relationship: 1) You keep making excuses to justify it. 2) You are stepping on eggshells at all times. 3) You keep needing to prove yourself to show your worth.
I feel so sad for the 15 year old - don’t feel responsible for getting your dad out of an mlm, make sure your mom knows about your concerns and go from there.
Story 3 broke my heart... man, how can anyone hear a person say "i've been struggling to get back the custody of my kids and i'm disabled" and think "oh, she can be in my downline", i hope that that rep is aware of how unfair she was :(
idk if moth will see this, but if you do, I'm also a teen (16) who watches anti mlm content and it made me happy that other teens are as well. your situation is really heartbreaking, and I hope you can get the help you need from your Mom. Im slightly older than you, and starting to deal with college and stuff, so I'm gonna suggest to you, if you can, make sure any college money/trust fund money is in a bank account that your dad can't access, mlms often unfortunately take advantage of that, talk to your mom about that. other than that, unfortunately you might have to just wait. please remember, none of this is your fault or your responsibility, but I totally understand you worrying about it, he's your dad. most people do leave mlms however, and it sounds like he's alright questioning the scam of it. you are so smart to be learning about these so young, and I'm sure you'll do good in life.
The story with the dad makes me think how much dealing with a loved one who's in an MLM is like dealing with an alcoholic or addict. Maybe we need MLM-Anon. And I love them name Moth! Also, as a past board member and officer in a nonprofit, NEVER let just one person have access to the bank account!
yes! I'm also a teen, and i love how she treated it, not invalidating them at all because of their age, and explaining that even though it's hard to deal with, nothing that happens in your family when you are a child is really your fault.
My heart broke for Moth (the 15-year-old). Another piece of advice is to make sure, if you can, that your dad can't access any money you have (e.g., college fund, trust fund, savings account). It's hard because you're not an adult yet, but hopefully you can talk with your mom or another family member you trust (e.g., sometimes grandparents are the ones who've set up college funds or trust funds and might be able to control them). Some people in MLMs take money that was set aside for their child's future and invest it in the MLM in the hope that they'll make a profit. It's so sad to think about, and I really hope your father wouldn't be one of those people, but like Hannah always says, MLMs can make someone do things they wouldn't otherwise do.
Literally when we went wfh they were like ‘oh please say good morning on teams’ literally replied with ‘bitch, I don’t say good morning in the office. Why the fuck would I over teams’ in case you can’t tell no longer work there but just yeah that was a huge no from me. We aren’t kids talking a roll call 🙄🙄
It's so wild that even in the CHATS there's no negativity - in the group chats I'm in with actual small business friends (freelance artists/illustrators with small merch and print lines) we're always yelling about something or other business related including but not limited to algorithms, frustrating clients, manufacturing costs, exhaustion from going to events/fairs.. etc The toxic positivity of these MLMS are so awful for REAL growth and discussing/solving actual issues people deal with. Or even just having a place to vent and feel less alone!
For real, we vent about work all day in our actual Teams work chats on our work computers! 😂 to not be able to vent in an offline group chat with your supposed peers? Unreal 🙄
The felony story reminds me of gambling addiction. Digging yourself into a hole, stealing money while telling yourself you’ll make it all back and replace the money before anyone notices.
I think it's super telling that they use words like 'industry' and 'competition' to refer to other MLMs selling completely different products, rather than the hair industry or the supplement industry, etc. It really shows that they're in a world of their own and not legitimate competition in the consumer market
I would imagine a lot of the dad's anger also comes from the fact that he's not able to provide for his family. He's desperate. It's clear that Moth has a really good heart, evidenced by their eagerness to get out and get a job at 15. Since they don't watch movies during the week because of school, that means they're willing to give up their weekends just to work to make money for the family. As an ex-high school teacher, this absolutely breaks my heart to tiny pieces.
@wolfsmaid6815 looks like I was a little off, I didn't check first, still almost a year old and someone said something that upset you so they have to know. You can be a douche all you want no one is stopping you.
The woman who stole from the nonprofit underscores a point I've seen over and over. Being in an MLM can be exactly like a gambling addiction. Money is wasted, and more is stolen, over and over, always with the justification that this time, it will pay off. This time, I'll make it big--and then it will all be okay, I'll pay it all back and have more left over. And in both cases, it never pans out. The hole just gets deeper.
Lemme put it this way. I work for a GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR. We have team calls. We are RARELY required to have our cameras on. And even when we are, we are allowed to use the blur feature so they can tell we are there but we don't have to be on camera. So. If your upline is forcing you to be on camera at all times when you have good reason not to be.. take that into consideration
My experience was similar - after 10 years in Mary Kay (I’m embarrassed to even say that) - I quit and anyone my level or above (I was a director) dropped me the minute I quit - supposed friends for 10 years! It broke my heart. I actually thought some of them were friends. I still feel like an idiot 15 years later. So sad to continue to see this cycle over and over.
10 years is quite a while, what tipped you over the line.. to start considering leaving if I may ask?... is it very similar to other ex-huns? it might help people to see what helped you to break throught the manipulation?
@@Acinnn it took me almost 10 years to reach director status, then I was part of the ‘big girls club’ and I saw that other directors were lying left and right about soooooo many things! It was truly eye opening to be at that top level and see things how they really are. I tried to continue, I’d invested so much of my life into it, but I just couldn’t. Here is a lie I love - director has a gorgeous large house built, claims MK paid for it. I find out that this directors mother left her a strip mall that was making pretty decent rental income, so that’s what was paying for the big house. Another lie: my adopted director and her daughter and I think even one other director all worked basically full-time for her husband at his doctors office. His business was supporting 3 directors!
@@devonedesign wow... I see...it'S kinda crazy that even in such high ranks they weren't making that much in bonuses.... One really has to find for themselves ... there isn't many mlms in my country, but I keep thinking if one of my friends got into one ..I wonder how would I encourage them to look for the red flag...
Oh my goodness the first story got me when the writer wanted to make her husband a priority and her up line was upset and complained that she wasn’t making her MLM a priority. So sad. Family should always come first. This hits so close to home. My MLM destroyed my marriage and family. What’s even more sick about it all, they rope you in with the whole “do it for your family” ploy. A lot peoples “why” is their family, yet it’s all being ripped away.
Wow the story from the 15 year old hit me right in the gut. I watched MLMs ruin my parents' 40 year marriage over about a 15 year span starting at that age. It's so sad! I wish I could give that young person a hug.
I can relate to the 15 yr old. When I was a teenager I understand their worries when it comes to the finances. Growing up I had to go without meals and sometimes a place to sleep bc my mom couldn’t afford it. Once I was old enough I got a job so I can buy food for myself and have enough money for school clothes and supplies and to be able to afford having a phone and a decently reliable car so my mom wouldn’t have to worry about my transportation or my physical well being. To the 15 yr old and anyone else living in a situation anywhere similar things do get better. I’m now 20, with an apartment, a decent paying job and going to start school in June. My mom is finally starting to get help for her mental and physical health. No matter what you’re going through any step forward to bettering yourself is progress. Hoping the best for everyone who reads this comment.
To Moth, as a stubborn and defensive guy myself, I think I know where your dad is at. I haven't ever been in an MLM but I've made my share of bad choices and ultimately I had to find my own way out of them. You've made it known to him that you think it's a bad decision and anything more will probably just push him into more of a corner. When you attack the "business" he's just going to perceive it as a personal attack that he's dumb or doesn't know how to take care of his family, and likely part of why he's so defensive is because he already knows he might have screwed up. My advice is to neither support nor denigrate it moving forward. A situation like the movie night, just make it known you're sad you didn't get to spend the time with him without attacking his "business". He'll figure it out on his own, especially now that he's got it nagging at the back of his head that it's probably a stupid thing he's doing. I agree though it wouldn't hurt to talk to your mom about it, you don't want him to burn through the family money in the process. But ultimately that's not your responsibility, you're obviously mature for your age, but you shouldn't own any responsibility in any of this.
Your validation of and communication to that 15 year old is exactly why you're my favorite anti-mlm commentary channel. So understanding and respectful. ❤️
@@MrJoeyWheeler I mean, yeah being 15 and calling yourself a "they" is dumb, but we all did dumb things as teens and we can still have empathy for her situation.
When she asked 'who has to spend money to work at your job?' I automatically went, TEACHERS! 🤣 I don't even want to know how much of my own money I spent on my classroom when I was a teacher.
This especially art teachers. I remember hearing from HS to college my art teachers saying they had to pay for supplies for their students, and in college where everyone had their own style, it gets costly fast!
My SIL was a teacher in a wealthy district and still had to buy her own stuff. Come Christmas she gets a bunch of super fancy gift baskets. Any two of these baskets would’ve paid for the supplies. She’d say as much at the beginning of the year and again before the holiday break. She’s been retired for 15 years and still has bubble bath and candles, in spite of being the bath with candles type. One time, I bought a package of dry erase markers as a thank you for a professional favor. She cried. Maybe the parents think kids just learn better when it’s causing the teacher financial strain?
Regarding the 4th story: my parents were involved with Amway when my brothers were teens (I was just a kid) and they always mentioned to my parents to be careful because that was a pyramid scheme. Yes, they said pyramid scheme. At first, my parents tried to defend it, but later on they left Amway and when I asked my mom about her upline - because I thought they were friends -, my mom got mad and told me to never mention that evil woman again 😂
The one where they refused to record the zoom calls - my theory: they want to make sure you’re engaged and active (and busy on the call) whereas if you do it on your own, at a slower pace, your critical thinking might kick in and you might start to google stuff and get the harsh truth
The poor teenager broke my heart! From one MLM kid to another: it’s not your fault. Your dad is so stressed and if he takes it out on you, remember it’s not your fault. It can get so hard some days watching your parent struggle, but take it day by day and you’ll get through it ❤️
the fact that Hannah read “my mom and sister and I” instead of “my sister and I” as it was typed out in the story really shows that Hannah wanted the mom to be okay. That story totally broke my heart too.
@@livingbeneficiary That’s super judgmental. They raised her kids and she was an adult? Have you ever been close to an adult that makes bad decisions? It is nearly impossible to help them make better choices. They need to be a threat to someone or themselves to receive what is often ‘bandaid’ help. Good help is hard to find and families aren’t professionals with endless resources
Choosing to do your own thing despite advice is a thing … maybe you listen to those you ask from help from and that’s great I’m saying is judgmental to assume the family wasn’t trying to help her avoid the financial mistakes They may have tried
I would recommend that the 15 year old speak to their mom. The mom obviously is open to the conversation and maybe the two of you can come up with a plan.
To the person concerned about their dad, I agree that he is projecting his anger and frustration on you, but also note that this is not your fault and you do not deserve to be treated this way. Just because you are "child" and he is "parent" doesn't put you in a place where you deserve to be treated this way. You are totally okay in saying, "I can see you are frustrated about this subject, but please do not take your anger out on me."
My mom has almost fallen for the vague "job opportunity" ads when she was desperate for work. Luckily she asked me what I thought about them and I always said "NO, ITS A SCAM!!"
"It's a COMPLETELY legitimate business! 100 % legal and all that stuff! - Cool. What's the name of it? - ... I can't tell you. - What does it do? - I can't tell you. - What is the job even? - I can't tell you! But TRUST ME! It's TOTALLY legit! I just can't advertise it as it would get me banned for illegal marketing!"
Have to say, I love you & CC Suarez, and how you support each other. Y’all have found a way to do your own things, yet support each other. Educational, and my happy place. Chef’s kiss! 💋
Story number two is ABSOLUTELY WILD. Why do people lose their sense with these things??? OMG I can't imagine letting MLMs run my life so much to embezzle money from a NON PROFIT.
The person in the first story wanting the recording was a perfect analogy for disability accommodations. No one wants to help people be able to do their best. Maybe they would have stayed if the upline had recorded the call!
Holy shit I didn’t know life insurance could be an MLM! I worked for American Income Life and I thought it was really scammy but I was convinced I was just bad at selling lol good to know
My heart breaks for Moth. I hope their father realizes his mistakes. Being cussed at my a parent at any age is terrifying and I couldn't imagine going through that at 15. Moth, if you see this, know that your father's anger and insecurities are not your fault. When it comes to finances, parents can be viotile. Try to hang in there. No matter what, things will get better
I seem to recall a comment about what hiring managers see when an MLM is listed on a resume - something like "this person does not have good critical thinking skills or make good financial decisions", not so much that the person "fell for a scam"
Thank you so much for sharing my story. I appreciate your insight, and I hope it helps other people reconsider their involvement when they're pitched an MLM "opportunity"
That sounds like American income Life. It IS an MLM. I tried it. For like a few years I recruited people to come in for an “interview”, which was an MLM pitch. I got my insurance license, only to have it revoked because I had past criminal charge. It was a designated misdemeanor but the sheriff originally tried to make it a felony. I was told that if I’d been convicted of a felony, I couldn’t, but since I’d never been convicted of the felony, I SPENT THE MONEY, studied, and worked my tail off learning about life insurance! Wasted. The fine print said that if you’ve ever been charged (convicted or not) of a felony. You go into it thinking it’s an “interview”.
In case Moth is watching, I’m really sorry you’ve had this happening to you, because I understand how bad it feels to be put aside because of a job (and in this case worse because it’s an MLM) but keep being amazing, I can tell you’re really smart and kind because you’re concerned about your family and while yes, you’re the child and you shouldn’t worry, children still do; I think that just showing your concern in the best way possible to someone as you did here (doesn’t have to be your dad because he may be rude to you) is doing a lot, because at least you can vent and see a different point of view. My best wishes for this situation and for all your life ahead!
Chelsea (CC Suarez) did a video about a month ago about getting loved ones out of network marketing/cults. That would also be a good place for Moth and their family to look at.
I’d love to hear your take on time share people. Their tactics are so close to MLMs it’s crazy. Always claiming you “won” a trip to get you to come listen to their pitch. Being your family, the pitch is only 2 hours, no big deal, etc. It’s so frustrating and sneaky.
Man i worked in a law firm and the way you described the info filtering about not saying negative stuff.. Was just like that place. They made employees feel like the problem and singled them out if they werent perfect or said anything slightly negative. They asked for feedback bur took none of it. Had a horrible harrassing micromanaging drama starting female 'manager' that they knew was an issue but keep her there cause she lies and says its the employee who's the problem. Ugh
Thank you for being so kind while bringing information to the community. I feel like some people in the ani MLM community do the opposite and then people shut down and no discussion happens
The hypocrisy of MLM’s touting “be your own boss” and “make your own schedule” and “do as little or as much as you want too”, and then hound you non-stop to be in chat groups and to join zoom calls at all hours of the day. Sounds like you are still not “Your own boss”.
This is eerily similar to what happens in toxic churches. "Hide anything bad, don't ask forbidden questions, pretend everything is perfect to draw in more people to suffer...SMILE!" 😵💫👀
I had never heard of 31 bags sooo I went to the website and sure enough, you can become a consultant or an inside buyer. Thanks for showing us how to understand MLM's.
You know what’s really sad? For the amount of money people spend on these MLMs, they could start their own actual small business and have a good chance at making a real profit all for themselves.
If I see an MLM on someone’s resume I literally throw it in the trash. Also have seen lots of doctors selling mlm products in their offices and when I do I immediately cancel my appointment.
Went to a wedding show yesterday and I have a game where I count how many MLMs I can spot. I got 4 this time!! Pure Romance, Lipsense, Color Street, and I'm blanking on the 4th. I literally went to every booth signing up for their prizes but specifically avoided those ones cause I didn't wanna win a free party or some shit 🤣🤣
I remember the job recruiter note on MLMs on resumes! I recall the recruiter also said that being in an MLM /AND/ including it in a resume hints at an inability to look at statistics/finances objectively and an inability to manage finances/budgets. I would also argue that unlike actual jobs, there are very very few if any actual transferrable skills from an MLM to the "dreaded" 9-5.
Story #5, I've seen multiple MLMs on job search boards. I'll look up the name of the company to find a Reddit post saying that they're one. I've seen them a lot as travel coordinating companies.
I know this video is a year old now but something really struck a nerve with me... that people are being told an issue is ONLY affecting them when it is company-wide. The same thing was said by the tech company who provided accounting software for the Post Office here in the UK, leading to post office staff being arrested and charged with theft because there software incorrectly said there was money missing. There was s TV drama made about this earlier this year and it has become a huge scandal in the UK.
Interesting that they have PM zooms instead of throughout the day. Must genuinely be because they all have to carry 9-5s in order to actually live and they are only available in the evening 👀
How about you're both just sick. How about you get an actual personality instead of making up genders and sexualities for clout and to be "more interesting".
47:00 This is very good advice, honestly it's rare that I hear someone give this good of advice, especially to a minor. Everything you've said is spot on on how to handle this.
It feels like dealing with MLM friends/family is a lot like dealing with a loved one who has an addiction. It seems like “detaching with love” is the best course of action..express care and understanding, while still maintaining strong boundaries. Sometimes those boundaries include distancing from the individual…Dr. Honda over at Psychology in Seattle has some information about that kind of stuff (among many other very helpful topics). I’m wishing Moth and their family all the best. That sounds like a really difficult situation. If you see this, I hope you don’t feel too much responsibility for what your father is doing. I know that’s easier said than done, but he’s the adult, and he’s responsible for his own choices..
Cringe confession time: after I got out of beachBody I still didn’t know what an MLM was and had it on my resume for a minimum of two years because it was relevant to what I was studying in school (exercise). I will never live that down. 😂
from what i see, beachbody makes a big effort to make themselves appear as a normal fitness program and stuff. maybe not as much as pampered chef (i had no idea that was an mlm for years even after i found anti mlm) but probably more so than arbonne and monat for instance. at least thats how it feels to me. most of the mlm ads i see on youtube are for beach body
Mlms are so common in the state I'm in (Utah), my mom, godmother aunt's and cousins and friends all involved with different mlms at different times and some are still in involved
I know a bunch of MONAT huns from my hometown that went to Q sciences and taking their teams with them. It’s sad that they left because their teams struggled just to jump into another non-sustainable MLM. It’s like they almost get it…and then nope.
Unfortunately with story 3 the blame is also partly on the state. They would have been expecting her to get a job but likely provided little to no support in finding a job that worked with her disability needs. This is still a problem today and would have been even worse then. Disabled people are especially vulnerable to MLM groups because people can be manipulated into thinking they can have a job they can work from home and around their support needs, and this is something they struggle to get elsewhere.
The story of the 15 year old's father and his defensiveness reminded me of the saying, "It's easier to cheat a man than to convince him that he's been cheated."
Am I wrong for straight up getting guarded against trusting people who are apart of MLMs…after seeing Hannah’s videos, I think my gutt is good to be judging their level of common sense/trust issues! 😅
that’s because they might think they are telling you the truth but you know they’re being lied to by thier other friends and it’s derailing to their credibility
I convinced myself that being in younique would help me get practice in with my writing for new media degree. I didn’t know what the company was but my dad (who was dying at the time) rolled his eyes at me. Lol
I had no idea American Income Life Insurance was an MLM and now I’m horrified that I’ve had a policy with them for almost two years and now I don’t know what to do 😮☹️😖😫
So much heartbreak here. For that lovely 15 year old, I suggest you just let him know you love him. Love like that can plant a special seed that is only possible through love. On the story with the Mom who had the brain injury, the heartlessness the MLM rep displayed, there will never be enough scorn to heap out. Derailing her at a critical juncture might qualify as evil. Lastly, my company records all of our call where they share information or training so we can rewatch later or if work made us miss it, we can catch up.
Hi Hannah I think you are right, these organisations make people do desperate things. I learned a lot about them after researching a famous family murder case. My ex and I broke up after a year together because I told him I couldn't be with him if he joined an mlm, he had been got to by Amway. I just remembered meeting a couple when I was young who were at their wits end with a garage full of products they couldn't shift. It was awful seeing them pleading and I never forgot it so didn't want to see that happening to him. In the end what else could I do. He just couldn't and wouldn't see what a trap it was despite being a clever man.
I recently checked the LinkedIn profile of a job applicant for a senior position, under my management. In flowery language he described the numerous jobs he's had over 9 years, averaging about 11 months in each. Then came the creme de la creme - He took a 3 year break to "co-parent his children, and work from home as The Marketing Partner for a major health supplements supplier" - his exact description. His "duties" screamed MLM. I'd never heard of the Company, but found it online and, sure enough, I was right. He said he was ready to go back to full-time in-house employment, so I guess he was scammed by the MLM. Naturally, I Emailed to say I had a more experienced applicant etc. It's sad that so many people don't smell a rat when they are sucked into these MLM's. It takes enormous confidence, drive and ruthlessness to succeed in that field.
Hi Hannah, I love your videos and I found you by your Poshmark advice. I’m hooked on your anti-mlm videos and I feel compelled to praise you for your advice to 15 year old in this video. You’re so well thought out and you validated her feelings and are so sweet yet you are professional/mature enough to if by chance, her parents saw this, they couldn’t even be upset with you. You hit the nail on the head, his anger is most likely derived from his own irritation at the company. Keep up the amazing work. Your videos are so binge-worthy. Super insightful and you’re easy to listen to. 😊 Can’t wait for you to meet your baby girl in the coming months ahead 🥰 💕
Story 5. I did not know that LinkedIn prohibits prospecting for MLM. I’m going to go double check this. I have been approached by several MLM rep/consumers on LinkedIn
Hi Hannah. Wanted to give you a little tidbit. My daughter's school had a carnival at her school this past weekend. Guess who was there...an Arbonne Rep. She didn't try to sell to me, thank goodness...but she had some edible cookie dough. It was HORRIBLE. There was another booth next to her that looked like it was an MLM as well, but unfortunately I have forgotten the name. I didn't recognize it from the current list of MLMs, so it might have not been, but it gave me MLM vibes.
@@Pirategirl4nightwish I used to live up in MA a LONG time ago and remember the Big E fondly. Yeah, I just went to the booth to try the cookie dough. I was hungry. lol
Hannah you are intelligent and well rounded, a balanced educational approach, much appreciated, too many people on social media with blogs/vlogs whatever are not too bright, that's infuriating
The second story is so yikes, imagine going to jail for your mlm "business opportunity".... She would've been better off selling drugs or something, at least that would've put the $3000 in her own pockets before sending her to jail 😅
Your kitties remind me of one of my coworkers - our team has a weekly meeting and some of the other odd-hour workers have to tune in from home. One's kitty had a LOT to say and it's become an in-joke that we need his opinion to finalize anything.
I find it so interesting that the main pitch is “flexible hours” and “do it on your free time”. However, you are required to be at a live call and you are constantly told you are just not putting in the time. smh.
Being in a MLM is like being in an abusive relationship:
1) You keep making excuses to justify it.
2) You are stepping on eggshells at all times.
3) You keep needing to prove yourself to show your worth.
Well said!
4) Anyone who doesn't enable it is jealous, toxic, or too prejudiced to see "you're happy"
Also the enormous success in the beginning could be compared to love bombing during the “honeymoon phase”
Yikes. Sounds like my marriage to my narcissist husband. He divorced me after 30 years and got a younger wife.
Oh, I like those analogies.
I feel so sad for the 15 year old - don’t feel responsible for getting your dad out of an mlm, make sure your mom knows about your concerns and go from there.
Story 3 broke my heart... man, how can anyone hear a person say "i've been struggling to get back the custody of my kids and i'm disabled" and think "oh, she can be in my downline", i hope that that rep is aware of how unfair she was :(
The word is predatory.
Those people don’t care, trust me 😢
idk if moth will see this, but if you do, I'm also a teen (16) who watches anti mlm content and it made me happy that other teens are as well. your situation is really heartbreaking, and I hope you can get the help you need from your Mom. Im slightly older than you, and starting to deal with college and stuff, so I'm gonna suggest to you, if you can, make sure any college money/trust fund money is in a bank account that your dad can't access, mlms often unfortunately take advantage of that, talk to your mom about that. other than that, unfortunately you might have to just wait. please remember, none of this is your fault or your responsibility, but I totally understand you worrying about it, he's your dad. most people do leave mlms however, and it sounds like he's alright questioning the scam of it. you are so smart to be learning about these so young, and I'm sure you'll do good in life.
you have so much compassion & reassurance in your words, anyone would be lucky to have a friend like you! i hope you're doing well. 🧡
The story with the dad makes me think how much dealing with a loved one who's in an MLM is like dealing with an alcoholic or addict. Maybe we need MLM-Anon. And I love them name Moth!
Also, as a past board member and officer in a nonprofit, NEVER let just one person have access to the bank account!
As a channel member, I just wanted to stop by and write my required "good morning" message.
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Bravo on the advice you gave to the teen. You’re going to be a great mom
yes! I'm also a teen, and i love how she treated it, not invalidating them at all because of their age, and explaining that even though it's hard to deal with, nothing that happens in your family when you are a child is really your fault.
@@universal_stupidity perfectly said
My heart broke for Moth (the 15-year-old). Another piece of advice is to make sure, if you can, that your dad can't access any money you have (e.g., college fund, trust fund, savings account). It's hard because you're not an adult yet, but hopefully you can talk with your mom or another family member you trust (e.g., sometimes grandparents are the ones who've set up college funds or trust funds and might be able to control them). Some people in MLMs take money that was set aside for their child's future and invest it in the MLM in the hope that they'll make a profit. It's so sad to think about, and I really hope your father wouldn't be one of those people, but like Hannah always says, MLMs can make someone do things they wouldn't otherwise do.
Excellent advice!
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My heart breaks beacause she (and it most likely is) is part of her own cult of gender identity.
@@1SpicyMeataball Bro they're 15 let em be
@@sadrabbit53 Maybe point out instead of the age, that J Do is scummily misgendering Moth.
"forced to say good morning to hundreds of group chats" that gave me so much anxiety
to all of us. it was terrifying and there was no trigger warning ☠
Yes! Haha Being forced to say something even when it contributes absolutely nothing is just behavior control
Seriously tho! That's something that would never work for me lol
Literally when we went wfh they were like ‘oh please say good morning on teams’ literally replied with ‘bitch, I don’t say good morning in the office. Why the fuck would I over teams’ in case you can’t tell no longer work there but just yeah that was a huge no from me. We aren’t kids talking a roll call 🙄🙄
@Rach I know right?! 😂😂 There's just no way lol I hate it so much 😂
It's so wild that even in the CHATS there's no negativity - in the group chats I'm in with actual small business friends (freelance artists/illustrators with small merch and print lines) we're always yelling about something or other business related including but not limited to algorithms, frustrating clients, manufacturing costs, exhaustion from going to events/fairs.. etc
The toxic positivity of these MLMS are so awful for REAL growth and discussing/solving actual issues people deal with. Or even just having a place to vent and feel less alone!
For real, we vent about work all day in our actual Teams work chats on our work computers! 😂 to not be able to vent in an offline group chat with your supposed peers? Unreal 🙄
The felony story reminds me of gambling addiction. Digging yourself into a hole, stealing money while telling yourself you’ll make it all back and replace the money before anyone notices.
I think it's super telling that they use words like 'industry' and 'competition' to refer to other MLMs selling completely different products, rather than the hair industry or the supplement industry, etc. It really shows that they're in a world of their own and not legitimate competition in the consumer market
I would imagine a lot of the dad's anger also comes from the fact that he's not able to provide for his family. He's desperate. It's clear that Moth has a really good heart, evidenced by their eagerness to get out and get a job at 15. Since they don't watch movies during the week because of school, that means they're willing to give up their weekends just to work to make money for the family. As an ex-high school teacher, this absolutely breaks my heart to tiny pieces.
@Rach don't forgot Moth uses They/Them.
@@Lisiqe. nobody cares. We don´t have to pander to anyone with our speech.
@@wolfsmaid6815 you seem to, since you are responding to a comment I made more then a year ago.
@@Lisiqe. it says "10 months ago" - how many months does your year have? also thats not an argument.
@wolfsmaid6815 looks like I was a little off, I didn't check first, still almost a year old and someone said something that upset you so they have to know. You can be a douche all you want no one is stopping you.
The woman who stole from the nonprofit underscores a point I've seen over and over. Being in an MLM can be exactly like a gambling addiction. Money is wasted, and more is stolen, over and over, always with the justification that this time, it will pay off. This time, I'll make it big--and then it will all be okay, I'll pay it all back and have more left over. And in both cases, it never pans out. The hole just gets deeper.
Lemme put it this way.
I work for a GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR. We have team calls. We are RARELY required to have our cameras on. And even when we are, we are allowed to use the blur feature so they can tell we are there but we don't have to be on camera.
So. If your upline is forcing you to be on camera at all times when you have good reason not to be.. take that into consideration
My experience was similar - after 10 years in Mary Kay (I’m embarrassed to even say that) - I quit and anyone my level or above (I was a director) dropped me the minute I quit - supposed friends for 10 years! It broke my heart. I actually thought some of them were friends. I still feel like an idiot 15 years later. So sad to continue to see this cycle over and over.
I tried Avon for a time, but 4 months in, the only sales I was making was enough to keep my website open and paid off the starter kit. I gave up.
Congrats on escaping Mary Kay!
10 years is quite a while, what tipped you over the line.. to start considering leaving if I may ask?... is it very similar to other ex-huns? it might help people to see what helped you to break throught the manipulation?
@@Acinnn it took me almost 10 years to reach director status, then I was part of the ‘big girls club’ and I saw that other directors were lying left and right about soooooo many things! It was truly eye opening to be at that top level and see things how they really are. I tried to continue, I’d invested so much of my life into it, but I just couldn’t. Here is a lie I love - director has a gorgeous large house built, claims MK paid for it. I find out that this directors mother left her a strip mall that was making pretty decent rental income, so that’s what was paying for the big house. Another lie: my adopted director and her daughter and I think even one other director all worked basically full-time for her husband at his doctors office. His business was supporting 3 directors!
@@devonedesign wow... I see...it'S kinda crazy that even in such high ranks they weren't making that much in bonuses.... One really has to find for themselves ... there isn't many mlms in my country, but I keep thinking if one of my friends got into one ..I wonder how would I encourage them to look for the red flag...
Oh my goodness the first story got me when the writer wanted to make her husband a priority and her up line was upset and complained that she wasn’t making her MLM a priority. So sad. Family should always come first. This hits so close to home. My MLM destroyed my marriage and family. What’s even more sick about it all, they rope you in with the whole “do it for your family” ploy. A lot peoples “why” is their family, yet it’s all being ripped away.
I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Wow the story from the 15 year old hit me right in the gut. I watched MLMs ruin my parents' 40 year marriage over about a 15 year span starting at that age. It's so sad! I wish I could give that young person a hug.
I can relate to the 15 yr old. When I was a teenager I understand their worries when it comes to the finances. Growing up I had to go without meals and sometimes a place to sleep bc my mom couldn’t afford it. Once I was old enough I got a job so I can buy food for myself and have enough money for school clothes and supplies and to be able to afford having a phone and a decently reliable car so my mom wouldn’t have to worry about my transportation or my physical well being. To the 15 yr old and anyone else living in a situation anywhere similar things do get better. I’m now 20, with an apartment, a decent paying job and going to start school in June. My mom is finally starting to get help for her mental and physical health. No matter what you’re going through any step forward to bettering yourself is progress. Hoping the best for everyone who reads this comment.
To Moth, as a stubborn and defensive guy myself, I think I know where your dad is at. I haven't ever been in an MLM but I've made my share of bad choices and ultimately I had to find my own way out of them. You've made it known to him that you think it's a bad decision and anything more will probably just push him into more of a corner. When you attack the "business" he's just going to perceive it as a personal attack that he's dumb or doesn't know how to take care of his family, and likely part of why he's so defensive is because he already knows he might have screwed up. My advice is to neither support nor denigrate it moving forward. A situation like the movie night, just make it known you're sad you didn't get to spend the time with him without attacking his "business". He'll figure it out on his own, especially now that he's got it nagging at the back of his head that it's probably a stupid thing he's doing. I agree though it wouldn't hurt to talk to your mom about it, you don't want him to burn through the family money in the process. But ultimately that's not your responsibility, you're obviously mature for your age, but you shouldn't own any responsibility in any of this.
The stories about Huns preying on struggling parents hit me the hardest
Your validation of and communication to that 15 year old is exactly why you're my favorite anti-mlm commentary channel. So understanding and respectful. ❤️
That isn't respect, that's pandering to the mentally insane.
@@MrJoeyWheeler Nope, just empathy
@@MrJoeyWheeler I mean, yeah being 15 and calling yourself a "they" is dumb, but we all did dumb things as teens and we can still have empathy for her situation.
When she asked 'who has to spend money to work at your job?' I automatically went, TEACHERS! 🤣 I don't even want to know how much of my own money I spent on my classroom when I was a teacher.
Why though? Pencil and paper or a tablet.
Yes and amen! It is shocking how much we spend each year.
This especially art teachers. I remember hearing from HS to college my art teachers saying they had to pay for supplies for their students, and in college where everyone had their own style, it gets costly fast!
My SIL was a teacher in a wealthy district and still had to buy her own stuff. Come Christmas she gets a bunch of super fancy gift baskets. Any two of these baskets would’ve paid for the supplies. She’d say as much at the beginning of the year and again before the holiday break. She’s been retired for 15 years and still has bubble bath and candles, in spite of being the bath with candles type. One time, I bought a package of dry erase markers as a thank you for a professional favor. She cried.
Maybe the parents think kids just learn better when it’s causing the teacher financial strain?
True story.
Regarding the 4th story: my parents were involved with Amway when my brothers were teens (I was just a kid) and they always mentioned to my parents to be careful because that was a pyramid scheme. Yes, they said pyramid scheme. At first, my parents tried to defend it, but later on they left Amway and when I asked my mom about her upline - because I thought they were friends -, my mom got mad and told me to never mention that evil woman again 😂
The one where they refused to record the zoom calls - my theory: they want to make sure you’re engaged and active (and busy on the call) whereas if you do it on your own, at a slower pace, your critical thinking might kick in and you might start to google stuff and get the harsh truth
The poor teenager broke my heart! From one MLM kid to another: it’s not your fault. Your dad is so stressed and if he takes it out on you, remember it’s not your fault. It can get so hard some days watching your parent struggle, but take it day by day and you’ll get through it ❤️
I'm sure the dad is embarrassed and that's why he went with anger. You have given good advice.
the fact that Hannah read “my mom and sister and I” instead of “my sister and I” as it was typed out in the story really shows that Hannah wanted the mom to be okay. That story totally broke my heart too.
Sounds like her mom really loved them but maybe had a developemental disability or something and was then taken advantage of.
@@teijaflink2226 She said it was a brain injury. ❤️💔 Her family should've been watching out and not leaving her to her own trouble. 😭
@@livingbeneficiary That’s super judgmental. They raised her kids and she was an adult? Have you ever been close to an adult that makes bad decisions? It is nearly impossible to help them make better choices. They need to be a threat to someone or themselves to receive what is often ‘bandaid’ help.
Good help is hard to find and families aren’t professionals with endless resources
@Rach who says she didn’t have it?
Choosing to do your own thing despite advice is a thing … maybe you listen to those you ask from help from and that’s great
I’m saying is judgmental to assume the family wasn’t trying to help her avoid the financial mistakes
They may have tried
I'm really sad for Moth and the situation they're in. I hope their dad gets out and apologizes for his behaviour towards Moth.
I would recommend that the 15 year old speak to their mom. The mom obviously is open to the conversation and maybe the two of you can come up with a plan.
To the person concerned about their dad, I agree that he is projecting his anger and frustration on you, but also note that this is not your fault and you do not deserve to be treated this way. Just because you are "child" and he is "parent" doesn't put you in a place where you deserve to be treated this way. You are totally okay in saying, "I can see you are frustrated about this subject, but please do not take your anger out on me."
My mom has almost fallen for the vague "job opportunity" ads when she was desperate for work. Luckily she asked me what I thought about them and I always said "NO, ITS A SCAM!!"
"It's a COMPLETELY legitimate business! 100 % legal and all that stuff! - Cool. What's the name of it? - ... I can't tell you. - What does it do? - I can't tell you. - What is the job even? - I can't tell you! But TRUST ME! It's TOTALLY legit! I just can't advertise it as it would get me banned for illegal marketing!"
It’s a surprise…..sources trust me bro! Lol 😅😂
Have to say, I love you & CC Suarez, and how you support each other. Y’all have found a way to do your own things, yet support each other. Educational, and my happy place. Chef’s kiss! 💋
Story number two is ABSOLUTELY WILD. Why do people lose their sense with these things??? OMG I can't imagine letting MLMs run my life so much to embezzle money from a NON PROFIT.
I just felt unbelievably happy about that second story, nothing is better than getting a scammer off the streets
Hope everything worked out for Moth, it's so sad to be a child in this position where a parent is being manipulated by an mlm...
I'd love for an update from Moth! I hope things work out for them, this sounds like such a tough situation and I hope they're doing ok ♥
The person in the first story wanting the recording was a perfect analogy for disability accommodations. No one wants to help people be able to do their best. Maybe they would have stayed if the upline had recorded the call!
Holy shit I didn’t know life insurance could be an MLM! I worked for American Income Life and I thought it was really scammy but I was convinced I was just bad at selling lol good to know
My heart breaks for Moth. I hope their father realizes his mistakes. Being cussed at my a parent at any age is terrifying and I couldn't imagine going through that at 15. Moth, if you see this, know that your father's anger and insecurities are not your fault. When it comes to finances, parents can be viotile. Try to hang in there. No matter what, things will get better
I'm so sad for that poor teenager :( I hope their dad snaps out of it quickly and makes up for the lost time.
I seem to recall a comment about what hiring managers see when an MLM is listed on a resume - something like "this person does not have good critical thinking skills or make good financial decisions", not so much that the person "fell for a scam"
Thank you so much for sharing my story. I appreciate your insight, and I hope it helps other people reconsider their involvement when they're pitched an MLM "opportunity"
That sounds like American income Life. It IS an MLM. I tried it. For like a few years I recruited people to come in for an “interview”, which was an MLM pitch. I got my insurance license, only to have it revoked because I had past criminal charge. It was a designated misdemeanor but the sheriff originally tried to make it a felony. I was told that if I’d been convicted of a felony, I couldn’t, but since I’d never been convicted of the felony, I SPENT THE MONEY, studied, and worked my tail off learning about life insurance! Wasted. The fine print said that if you’ve ever been charged (convicted or not) of a felony. You go into it thinking it’s an “interview”.
In case Moth is watching, I’m really sorry you’ve had this happening to you, because I understand how bad it feels to be put aside because of a job (and in this case worse because it’s an MLM) but keep being amazing, I can tell you’re really smart and kind because you’re concerned about your family and while yes, you’re the child and you shouldn’t worry, children still do; I think that just showing your concern in the best way possible to someone as you did here (doesn’t have to be your dad because he may be rude to you) is doing a lot, because at least you can vent and see a different point of view. My best wishes for this situation and for all your life ahead!
Chelsea (CC Suarez) did a video about a month ago about getting loved ones out of network marketing/cults. That would also be a good place for Moth and their family to look at.
Jessica H said it best. That they want everyone to turn their cameras on so they know who's crashing for a UA-cam video.
As I believe Abby Lee Miller once said, "It's hard getting to the top of the pyramid; it's even harder staying there." LOL
@Iwa Puniwai i doooo it’s kinda sad but I’m glad she gives that insight that we never had
I’d love to hear your take on time share people. Their tactics are so close to MLMs it’s crazy. Always claiming you “won” a trip to get you to come listen to their pitch. Being your family, the pitch is only 2 hours, no big deal, etc. It’s so frustrating and sneaky.
There is no world in this or any alternate reality where I am replacing my K-Pop/K-Rock gym playlist with "personal development podcasts."
Man i worked in a law firm and the way you described the info filtering about not saying negative stuff.. Was just like that place. They made employees feel like the problem and singled them out if they werent perfect or said anything slightly negative. They asked for feedback bur took none of it. Had a horrible harrassing micromanaging drama starting female 'manager' that they knew was an issue but keep her there cause she lies and says its the employee who's the problem. Ugh
Thank you for being so kind while bringing information to the community. I feel like some people in the ani MLM community do the opposite and then people shut down and no discussion happens
The hypocrisy of MLM’s touting “be your own boss” and “make your own schedule” and “do as little or as much as you want too”, and then hound you non-stop to be in chat groups and to join zoom calls at all hours of the day. Sounds like you are still not “Your own boss”.
This is eerily similar to what happens in toxic churches. "Hide anything bad, don't ask forbidden questions, pretend everything is perfect to draw in more people to suffer...SMILE!" 😵💫👀
I had never heard of 31 bags sooo I went to the website and sure enough, you can become a consultant or an inside buyer. Thanks for showing us how to understand MLM's.
You know what’s really sad? For the amount of money people spend on these MLMs, they could start their own actual small business and have a good chance at making a real profit all for themselves.
If I see an MLM on someone’s resume I literally throw it in the trash.
Also have seen lots of doctors selling mlm products in their offices and when I do I immediately cancel my appointment.
Went to a wedding show yesterday and I have a game where I count how many MLMs I can spot. I got 4 this time!! Pure Romance, Lipsense, Color Street, and I'm blanking on the 4th. I literally went to every booth signing up for their prizes but specifically avoided those ones cause I didn't wanna win a free party or some shit 🤣🤣
On a wedding? Wow
I remember the job recruiter note on MLMs on resumes! I recall the recruiter also said that being in an MLM /AND/ including it in a resume hints at an inability to look at statistics/finances objectively and an inability to manage finances/budgets. I would also argue that unlike actual jobs, there are very very few if any actual transferrable skills from an MLM to the "dreaded" 9-5.
Oh my goodness. Story 4 is so sad.
I hope they can get they’re dad to see the light soon. ❤️
here so early, hannah isn't even pregnant yet😂
Love it 😂
Haha that’s funny
Lmfao
Wait. Did I miss a video? Is she pregnant?
@@mandymorrow5473 she is!
Story #5, I've seen multiple MLMs on job search boards. I'll look up the name of the company to find a Reddit post saying that they're one. I've seen them a lot as travel coordinating companies.
Story 2. The broader point is that MLM incentivizes bad behavior. Not necessarily felonies, though
I know this video is a year old now but something really struck a nerve with me... that people are being told an issue is ONLY affecting them when it is company-wide. The same thing was said by the tech company who provided accounting software for the Post Office here in the UK, leading to post office staff being arrested and charged with theft because there software incorrectly said there was money missing. There was s TV drama made about this earlier this year and it has become a huge scandal in the UK.
This happened to me with monat they all unfollowed me or ghosted me as soon as I left 😊
Considering how desperate MLM's are to keep their 'employees', I wonder what it takes to get fired from an MLM.
Interesting that they have PM zooms instead of throughout the day. Must genuinely be because they all have to carry 9-5s in order to actually live and they are only available in the evening 👀
Enby to Enby, Moth is a freaking sick name 👊
You got this bud 👍👍
As fellow enby, I can confirm Moth is a sick name 🤟
Me upon hearing the name: that's an enby name
How about you're both just sick.
How about you get an actual personality instead of making up genders and sexualities for clout and to be "more interesting".
@@1SpicyMeataball I mean your personality is apparently going into a UA-cam comment section and spewing trash, so they got you beat hard
47:00 This is very good advice, honestly it's rare that I hear someone give this good of advice, especially to a minor. Everything you've said is spot on on how to handle this.
It feels like dealing with MLM friends/family is a lot like dealing with a loved one who has an addiction. It seems like “detaching with love” is the best course of action..express care and understanding, while still maintaining strong boundaries. Sometimes those boundaries include distancing from the individual…Dr. Honda over at Psychology in Seattle has some information about that kind of stuff (among many other very helpful topics).
I’m wishing Moth and their family all the best. That sounds like a really difficult situation. If you see this, I hope you don’t feel too much responsibility for what your father is doing. I know that’s easier said than done, but he’s the adult, and he’s responsible for his own choices..
Cringe confession time: after I got out of beachBody I still didn’t know what an MLM was and had it on my resume for a minimum of two years because it was relevant to what I was studying in school (exercise).
I will never live that down. 😂
from what i see, beachbody makes a big effort to make themselves appear as a normal fitness program and stuff. maybe not as much as pampered chef (i had no idea that was an mlm for years even after i found anti mlm) but probably more so than arbonne and monat for instance. at least thats how it feels to me. most of the mlm ads i see on youtube are for beach body
perfect watch for my sick day off of work. So excited to see this upload today!
Thanks Hannah people in mlms love to ignore that people in mlms lose 99% of the time.
Thousands of dollars a year, seriously? Overstatement for MLM. But thousands is what you can expect in any job, even minimum wage.
Mlms are so common in the state I'm in (Utah), my mom, godmother aunt's and cousins and friends all involved with different mlms at different times and some are still in involved
I know a bunch of MONAT huns from my hometown that went to Q sciences and taking their teams with them. It’s sad that they left because their teams struggled just to jump into another non-sustainable MLM. It’s like they almost get it…and then nope.
Unfortunately with story 3 the blame is also partly on the state. They would have been expecting her to get a job but likely provided little to no support in finding a job that worked with her disability needs. This is still a problem today and would have been even worse then.
Disabled people are especially vulnerable to MLM groups because people can be manipulated into thinking they can have a job they can work from home and around their support needs, and this is something they struggle to get elsewhere.
The story of the 15 year old's father and his defensiveness reminded me of the saying, "It's easier to cheat a man than to convince him that he's been cheated."
Am I wrong for straight up getting guarded against trusting people who are apart of MLMs…after seeing Hannah’s videos, I think my gutt is good to be judging their level of common sense/trust issues! 😅
that’s because they might think they are telling you the truth but you know they’re being lied to by thier other friends and it’s derailing to their credibility
I love watching these while I play Minecraft, it makes me so happy. Thank you for making these! I hope the bb is doing well!
I convinced myself that being in younique would help me get practice in with my writing for new media degree. I didn’t know what the company was but my dad (who was dying at the time) rolled his eyes at me. Lol
I had no idea American Income Life Insurance was an MLM and now I’m horrified that I’ve had a policy with them for almost two years and now I don’t know what to do 😮☹️😖😫
So much heartbreak here. For that lovely 15 year old, I suggest you just let him know you love him. Love like that can plant a special seed that is only possible through love. On the story with the Mom who had the brain injury, the heartlessness the MLM rep displayed, there will never be enough scorn to heap out. Derailing her at a critical juncture might qualify as evil. Lastly, my company records all of our call where they share information or training so we can rewatch later or if work made us miss it, we can catch up.
I don’t know why employers and even coworkers think that being mean to someone or setting them up to fail is how they keep employees.
new hannah video!! what a perfect way to start our week 💕🙏
Hi Hannah
I think you are right, these organisations make people do desperate things.
I learned a lot about them after researching a famous family murder case.
My ex and I broke up after a year together because I told him I couldn't be with him if he joined an mlm, he had been got to by Amway.
I just remembered meeting a couple when I was young who were at their wits end with a garage full of products they couldn't shift. It was awful seeing them pleading and I never forgot it so didn't want to see that happening to him.
In the end what else could I do.
He just couldn't and wouldn't see what a trap it was despite being a clever man.
Zeke's absence isn't surprising... It's suspicious XD
He's planning a channel takeover 😂
Yes, yes he is.
I recently checked the LinkedIn profile of a job applicant for a senior position, under my management. In flowery language he described the numerous jobs he's had over 9 years, averaging about 11 months in each. Then came the creme de la creme - He took a 3 year break to "co-parent his children, and work from home as The Marketing Partner for a major health supplements supplier" - his exact description. His "duties" screamed MLM. I'd never heard of the Company, but found it online and, sure enough, I was right. He said he was ready to go back to full-time in-house employment, so I guess he was scammed by the MLM.
Naturally, I Emailed to say I had a more experienced applicant etc.
It's sad that so many people don't smell a rat when they are sucked into these MLM's. It takes enormous confidence, drive and ruthlessness to succeed in that field.
Hi Hannah, I love your videos and I found you by your Poshmark advice. I’m hooked on your anti-mlm videos and I feel compelled to praise you for your advice to 15 year old in this video. You’re so well thought out and you validated her feelings and are so sweet yet you are professional/mature enough to if by chance, her parents saw this, they couldn’t even be upset with you. You hit the nail on the head, his anger is most likely derived from his own irritation at the company.
Keep up the amazing work. Your videos are so binge-worthy. Super insightful and you’re easy to listen to. 😊
Can’t wait for you to meet your baby girl in the coming months ahead 🥰 💕
Story 5. I did not know that LinkedIn prohibits prospecting for MLM. I’m going to go double check this. I have been approached by several MLM rep/consumers on LinkedIn
Hi Hannah. Wanted to give you a little tidbit. My daughter's school had a carnival at her school this past weekend. Guess who was there...an Arbonne Rep.
She didn't try to sell to me, thank goodness...but she had some edible cookie dough. It was HORRIBLE.
There was another booth next to her that looked like it was an MLM as well, but unfortunately I have forgotten the name. I didn't recognize it from the current list of MLMs, so it might have not been, but it gave me MLM vibes.
There were 3 MLMs at the Big E. No one was going to their booths lol
@@Pirategirl4nightwish I used to live up in MA a LONG time ago and remember the Big E fondly.
Yeah, I just went to the booth to try the cookie dough. I was hungry. lol
Hannah you are intelligent and well rounded, a balanced educational approach, much appreciated, too many people on social media with blogs/vlogs whatever are not too bright, that's infuriating
The second story is so yikes, imagine going to jail for your mlm "business opportunity".... She would've been better off selling drugs or something, at least that would've put the $3000 in her own pockets before sending her to jail 😅
I just wanna say, with how you explained things to the 15 year old, you’re gonna be a wonderful momma.
Your kitties remind me of one of my coworkers - our team has a weekly meeting and some of the other odd-hour workers have to tune in from home. One's kitty had a LOT to say and it's become an in-joke that we need his opinion to finalize anything.
I find it so interesting that the main pitch is “flexible hours” and “do it on your free time”. However, you are required to be at a live call and you are constantly told you are just not putting in the time. smh.
OOOOooooh here early! Don't worry y'all, I'm sending Zeke and Cooper sighting vibes to wish us a complete viewing experience
"Network Marketing" okay sounds like a pyramid with extra steps
you are very understanding of the situations and you also try to make sure your audience understands.