I just found this channel and I must applaud your simple and professional approach to Ping Pong. As a rookie I play casually. My space and time for playing Ping Pong are limited but I enjoy learning more and growing in the sport, which has been helped immensely but your tutorials.
+Mr Pernickety Thanks. I'm glad you are liking the channel. Make sure to take a look at the PingSkills website too and sign up for our free email newsletter with lots of table tennis tips.
It sounds like you need to practice this. See if you can get a training partner to play to your backhand and then practice hitting the ball down the line. If it always goes cross court you may have to even aim off the table. Don't be scared about missing the ball, it's important during training to experiment whilst you are learning.
Very nice video, thank you! Hard to find good instructions for penholders. A video with advanced pehold serve techniques would be great too. It seems to me that if you are mostly relying on RPB, like Wang Hao, then you pretty much still have the crossover point weakness in more or less the same spot? I am not an expert, I tried both grips, and to me the main advantage of penhold is more control on the spin because of its extended amplitude of wrist movement. I guess, from my limited understanding, one disadvantage of penhold would be for chopping defenders -- looks like that play style is better suited for shakehand?
Great observations. Certainly if you use the reverse penhold backhand then you do have a crossover point. You can still play a traditional backhand with the penhold though. And yes chopping is much easier for shakehand players.
@GooGooGaGa10 Take a look on our website as we have a lesson on the shakehand grip. We have also just answered a question via video about changing your grip during a rally so check out ask the coach or our search for the video on our channel. Basically it is OK to have a small change in grip as long as you are not getting caught out with the wrong grip and losing points. Good luck!
@liontoxicatorR We don't get much room here to answer in detail. It sounds like this might need a bit of discussion. It might be best if you post a question on our website under the Ask the Coach section!
Traditionally a penholder would only use one side of the bat. But nowadays most people starting out with the penhold grip are also learning the "reverse penhold backhand" (rpb) which uses the other side of the bat.
@poopootae I'm glad you found it useful. It is OK to have a small variation in grip between the backhand and forehand. As long as it is seamless to switch from backhand to forehand and vice versa.
@meandonlyme1998 Good question. I'm not really sure how to answer this one. Maybe try posting this on our website under our Ask the Coach section and we'll get a real answer for you!
I’ve had a habit of using the penhold grip for my entire life. As a kid I had a paddle that handle was too short for me, so I started holding it like that.
You need to try and adjust the angle of your bat so you don't hit the ball down. Watch the video and try to get a good picture in your mind of how the stroke is played. Then practice it without a ball (this is called shadow play). Once you feel you've got the stroke correct then try it out on the table.
@raegiorem If you don't have a table then hitting against a wall can help. In fact if you look at our free lessons on our website, you'll find one called practicing alone. This will give you some more ideas on how you can practice without a table. Good luck!
Very helpful, ive recently been playing more table tennis since i got a table for free and i recently switched to this grip after noticing the olympic players that used this grip were dominant, and this grip to me is much more versatile and agile than the shakehand, i found your video whilst searching to refine my skills with the penhold and this vid certainly helped me (mostly with the topspin or loop shot, i was pleased to find that i was already doing most of these shots properly) thanks!
@raegiorem I don't think it is better as such. There are great players who have used the penhold grip and there are great players who have used the shakehand. As you say though, everything requires more practice :) Keep working hard and you'll make progress.
@AceofDlamonds Good question. I think if it is played correctly it doesn't put too much strain on the wrist. And when blocking topspin, you do need to counter the topspin regardless of which grip you use.
@vblings The problem is that we are shakehand players so know a lot more about this style of play. A lot of our tutorials are still applicable to the penhold grip as the basic principles do not change.
@gulligagardinen The main thing to concentrate on is brushing the ball on the side. To get a lot of spin you need to brush the ball and have your bat moving quickly.
@argonmeditation Concentrate on your start and finish positions. These are the most critical to get right. You can practice the stroke away from the table just to get the feel of the shot right. Once you get a bit more comfortable go back to the table and try and get 5 on in a row. Work on improving your consistency. Start hitting the ball slowly and then aim for 10 in a row. You can always ask us a question on our website using "Ask the Coach". We've got more room for answers there!
I am looking for a new penhold paddle. I'm 13 years old so would the Japanese penhold be harder for me or hurt my game? Should I just go with Chinese penhold? I'm sort of on the side of Japanese style. Thanks!!
@raegiorem it's really a personal preference. What grip do you feel most comfortable with. Another consideration might be which grip can you get the best coaching for where you live.
@Kakashinoor Especially with the forehand loop, the principles are very similar for both the shakehand and penhold grips. Try watching the videos on our website about the forehand loop and concentrate on the start and finish position of the stroke. This will be the same and if you can get these right you are well on your way to being able to play it consistently.
Is there not a reverse forehand? I find that you can generate ridiculous amounts of topspin using the reverse side of the bat on the forehand - can't get it very accurate though.
+TheLivingHeiromartyr I think that is the reason it hasn't become very popular, because the consistency just isn't there. Players can get consistency and power using the standard technique. It is fun to try the reverse forehand though :)
pretty sure the spin is coming for extra brushing. You can get similar from a regular forehand if you just change your stroke. The only use for reverse forehand would be if you have really different rubber on your backhand side to confuse your opponent.
I use the penhold grip flat fingered, when I do the backhand technique, it doesn't really have that much space to hit the ball, it hits my fingers everytime. xDAny solutions?
Hi, i have big problem... I really like this grip and i would like to learn how to play it, but when I play about 30min with this grip, my fingers and hand hurts massively, I dont know why... this is keeping me for using this grip, that I really like.
How are you going to blame a bat for uncomfortable holding. Your fingers are probably just not used to being in that position or the way its being pressure in weird ways. Either adjust your grip or get used to it. Even shakehand made my fingers hurt when I first used it. Well, not massively. I'm hoping that's an exaggeration or else it's probably your fingers that are the problem.
Hello Alois! I have a question about which penhold grip i should use since I am extremely conflicted between using the japanese penhold and the chinese penhold. I use cchinese penhold when I serve and I switch to japanese when I rally. I tried both chinese and japanese penhold and they both work fine except for reverse penhold backhand which I prefer chinese penhold more. My question is, should I use the chinese penhold or the japanese penhold? I also want to thank you for making a video about penhold techniques since everyone is pretty much doing tutorials on shakehand techniques
However, i feel the video failed to highlight the most obvious virtue of the the penhold grip, which is for many the deciding factor in making the swap over. The extra money that can be diverted to beer and other practically harmless vices, from only have to purchase a single rubber. If you are conscious of appearing a bit cheap, then you have serious personal issues, which cannot be addressed over youtube, but a liberal coating with a permanent marker will suffice as a temporary solution.
One thing that I disagree with PingSkill is that penholders do have a crossover point. I use all reverse penhold backhand for backhand, which mean I use RPB even for blocks, lobbing, counter-hits. I find that the transition between backhand and forehand is even harder than shakehand. As a draw back, I can get a lot of spin on both side because of the wrist motion. In my opinion, the modern Chinese RPB is a good option for an offensive two-wing looper, like Wang Hao!
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese style penhold blade, How is it on the Japanese penhold blade like say the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply blade? I use the Japanese penhold square blade with a single sheet of rubber and now would like to try out the rpb technique. Would a sticky/tacky rubber be ideal for the rpb?
Hi i'm a beginner at ping pong. I'm not horrible and I can get 15 to 20 hit rallies. I use "pen holder" but I'm not sure. My korean friends taught me to put my index finger and middle finger over the front face of the paddle or bat or waht ever. But yeah I need some help and advice on how to become a better player. Ne tips?
I hold shakehand but I need help, it feels awkward having my hand so far up the bat and having my forefinger pointing horizontaly, so I hold it a little lower and have my forefinger almost vertical(but not in the way) I need to change grip for a backhand, is that okay?
I love ur video very much. I changed grips for almost 5 times and i think i prefer pen hold more. I just started playing table tennis a few months ago, and i still have problems with my back hand, every time i hit the ball, it either goes to side or i hit too far away, can anyone help me??
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese penhold blade. Has anyone use the rpb with a Japanese penhold blade like the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply? I use to the Japanese penhold blade with a single rubber sheet, but would like to try out the rpb technique. Your comments appreciated.
This is only true is you use RPB exclusively. I use a traditional backhand punch block for all balls going to my backhand but closer to the crossover point and then I use RPB for ball coming wider to my backhand. This will make your elbow weakness more easily defendable. Try it!
Sounds like you're a natural Chinese penhold player to me if you naturally change sides. And that's fine. Just learn that RPB. I have the opposite situation since I play Jpen. Tried Cpen once. Couldn't adapt to it on the backhand. I naturally hit all my backhands with the same side.
Hm...I'm just a casual player, but when I first started, I held my paddle in a fashion similar to this, just because I thought it was unique and different. Interesting to find out now that there's a name to it with a good video describing the method better for me.
@pingskills One last thing, the problem is we dont have a ping pong table in our house, so I just randomly hit the ball and let it bounce on the wall. Is it ok? or it will affect my actual performance during a match because of that practice?
I disagree with a RPB backhand shot then a traditional penhold backhand punch. You can punch back on the backhand just fine with the RPB grip and use it as a 'chop block', and with a bit of sidespin at that. If your gunna be a Reverse penhold player, than BE an RBP player. It gave me the backhand of my dreams (for my level) AND the 'crossover point' is no big deal unless your a slow indecisive clod. Robert at 66.
Hi, I play penhold with my fingers curled in the back, and the top joint of my middle finger is developing a callus where it rubs against the bat when I play. Is this normal for penholders or am I holding the paddle wrong?
Im having little placement problems with me penhold back hand smash / topspin, every shot that i play from my lft hand side tends to go cross court.. i cant play my backhand straight down the line.. suggest... plz
@chunkyostrich I didn't try it whilst playing, but it seems that the forehand angle is a bit different and the general pressure is harder too... It's just another feeling, I don't think I'd like to play like this...
it took me about 1 summer of practice to get comfortable to play it in game situation - for my friends and it, it tends to generate more power than the forehand (when the forehand doesn't get the left foot power step forward)
@jetleeming I'm white (non-Asian) but play "RPB". I think it's gradually becoming more popular worldwide. Remember it's still a fairly new thing even in China. Traditional penhold is arguably inferior to shakehand.
World top ranking players from China such as world no.1 Wang Hao and Ma Lin uses this grip and plays well with it, the chinese even invented a backhand technique for it too, wonder how can they manipulate it so well.
I wonder, doesn't the Reverse penhold backhand strain the elbow/wrist quite a lot? Also, I think penholders block topspin shots downwards don't they? Because otherwise it looks as if the ball would fly off of the table.
@arash1902 the penhold style yr talking about is the japanese penhold style which only has a rubber on one side, in this video they are using the chinese style penhold which has two sides of rubber.
does learning penhold grip help you play better with shakehand? Because I want to learn penhold but not as my main way to play and I dont wanna waste all that potential practice time learning it
Can you upload more about the backhand? I practiced the RPB a lot and i am really good with it, but idk how to do the classic backhand and i need help, could you give me a hand?
@pingskills Whenever i use the topspin i always seem to have my wrist bent,is there any technique or like a piece of equipment i can use to keep it straight,i know it's a big factor.
The backhand techniques is a bit incorrect i think. Mostly only the fore-arm will be used instead of the whole arm. You guys can refer to "唐建軍" or ryu seung min's backhand video.
@pingskills Well, our coach said penhold is better so i gave it a try. but im having a hard time using it, but I think I just need more practice, so thanks anyway :))
Great videos, but PLEASE# PLEASE PLEASE invest in a pop filter for your recordings. Every time you use a P or B it sounds HORRIBLE! POP FILTER and i would buy your videos!
el mejor es estilo mariposa... el penhold o lapicero siempre a quedado atras por la falta de ataque con topspin, es una desventaja, el que lo logra contrarrestar sufre un desgaste fisico notable al estar buscando siempre su derecho
@choiwlee i play this guy who has antispin on the back of his japanese penhold blade and when i serve fast to his backhand he chops and it is very annoying
My left ear learnt a lot from this video.
Yes, I'm really sorry that your right ear couldn't help you with this video. In our later videos we have fixed this :-)
PingSkills Haha, no worries. It was still a very helpful video :-)
i thought it was my ear and i had to clean it twice till i noticed your comment
0:11 - Basics
0:58 - Advantages
2:15 - Disadvantages (not biased at all lol)
3:04 - Forehand Technique
4:29 - Backhand Technique
5:37 - Reverse Backhand Technique
7:15 - Pushing
8:06 - Korean/Japanese Backhand Technique
8:53 - Combinations
11:03 - Credits
Yep u can. That's the traditional Korean/Japanese penhold grip. (The first time Japan and Korea actually AGREED on something). Plus that's what I use!
yaaaaah keep it up bro
I just found this channel and I must applaud your simple and professional approach to Ping Pong. As a rookie I play casually. My space and time for playing Ping Pong are limited but I enjoy learning more and growing in the sport, which has been helped immensely but your tutorials.
+Mr Pernickety Thanks. I'm glad you are liking the channel. Make sure to take a look at the PingSkills website too and sign up for our free email newsletter with lots of table tennis tips.
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Dev!
It sounds like you need to practice this. See if you can get a training partner to play to your backhand and then practice hitting the ball down the line. If it always goes cross court you may have to even aim off the table. Don't be scared about missing the ball, it's important during training to experiment whilst you are learning.
Sound quality is a real ear killer for headphone users.
Thanks for the feedback Hirobian. On all our newer videos we have increased the sound quality.
That is good new! :)
Very nice video, thank you! Hard to find good instructions for penholders. A video with advanced pehold serve techniques would be great too. It seems to me that if you are mostly relying on RPB, like Wang Hao, then you pretty much still have the crossover point weakness in more or less the same spot? I am not an expert, I tried both grips, and to me the main advantage of penhold is more control on the spin because of its extended amplitude of wrist movement. I guess, from my limited understanding, one disadvantage of penhold would be for chopping defenders -- looks like that play style is better suited for shakehand?
Great observations. Certainly if you use the reverse penhold backhand then you do have a crossover point. You can still play a traditional backhand with the penhold though. And yes chopping is much easier for shakehand players.
@GooGooGaGa10 Take a look on our website as we have a lesson on the shakehand grip. We have also just answered a question via video about changing your grip during a rally so check out ask the coach or our search for the video on our channel. Basically it is OK to have a small change in grip as long as you are not getting caught out with the wrong grip and losing points. Good luck!
@liontoxicatorR We don't get much room here to answer in detail. It sounds like this might need a bit of discussion. It might be best if you post a question on our website under the Ask the Coach section!
Traditionally a penholder would only use one side of the bat. But nowadays most people starting out with the penhold grip are also learning the "reverse penhold backhand" (rpb) which uses the other side of the bat.
@poopootae I'm glad you found it useful. It is OK to have a small variation in grip between the backhand and forehand. As long as it is seamless to switch from backhand to forehand and vice versa.
@kingspartan375299 To put sidespin on the ball you need to brush the ball on the side of the ball. This will get the ball spinning around.
@kevtyan If you've only got rubber on one side then you won't be able to play the Reverse Penhold Backhand.
@Zkayber Great. Make sure you check out our website too. Just Google for PingSkills!
@meandonlyme1998 Good question. I'm not really sure how to answer this one. Maybe try posting this on our website under our Ask the Coach section and we'll get a real answer for you!
Its been 11 years. DANG
I’ve had a habit of using the penhold grip for my entire life. As a kid I had a paddle that handle was too short for me, so I started holding it like that.
Nice.
Is it possible to execute a chop using the penhold grip? I've never seen any penholders chopping
I was wondering how to put right and left spin on a ball while using the penhold technique???
@wesley621375 It's in there from about the 6:00 mark.
You need to try and adjust the angle of your bat so you don't hit the ball down. Watch the video and try to get a good picture in your mind of how the stroke is played. Then practice it without a ball (this is called shadow play). Once you feel you've got the stroke correct then try it out on the table.
@raegiorem If you don't have a table then hitting against a wall can help. In fact if you look at our free lessons on our website, you'll find one called practicing alone. This will give you some more ideas on how you can practice without a table.
Good luck!
Very helpful, ive recently been playing more table tennis since i got a table for free and i recently switched to this grip after noticing the olympic players that used this grip were dominant, and this grip to me is much more versatile and agile than the shakehand, i found your video whilst searching to refine my skills with the penhold and this vid certainly helped me (mostly with the topspin or loop shot, i was pleased to find that i was already doing most of these shots properly) thanks!
@Zkayber We actually have a video on how you can practice alone. Go to our website and check out our lessons page, you'll find it there.
@raegiorem I don't think it is better as such. There are great players who have used the penhold grip and there are great players who have used the shakehand.
As you say though, everything requires more practice :) Keep working hard and you'll make progress.
@GooGooGaGa10 You're welcome.
@AceofDlamonds Good question. I think if it is played correctly it doesn't put too much strain on the wrist. And when blocking topspin, you do need to counter the topspin regardless of which grip you use.
@vblings The problem is that we are shakehand players so know a lot more about this style of play. A lot of our tutorials are still applicable to the penhold grip as the basic principles do not change.
@Golden2Talon Yeah sorry about that. We are getting better at producing our videos now so hopefully all our newer videos have better volume levels.
@gulligagardinen The main thing to concentrate on is brushing the ball on the side. To get a lot of spin you need to brush the ball and have your bat moving quickly.
Sometimes. This was filmed there!
It's hard to know without seeing your grip but if you play a lot it doesn't sound unusual to develop a callus.
@tabletennispenhold You could try asking this question on the ask the coach section of our website and see if we can find any answers for you.
this is 10 years ago :P
How time flies!
@argonmeditation Concentrate on your start and finish positions. These are the most critical to get right. You can practice the stroke away from the table just to get the feel of the shot right. Once you get a bit more comfortable go back to the table and try and get 5 on in a row. Work on improving your consistency. Start hitting the ball slowly and then aim for 10 in a row.
You can always ask us a question on our website using "Ask the Coach". We've got more room for answers there!
@pingskills Okay,il be posting on the forums shortly.
I am looking for a new penhold paddle. I'm 13 years old so would the Japanese penhold be harder for me or hurt my game? Should I just go with Chinese penhold? I'm sort of on the side of Japanese style. Thanks!!
If you think the Japanese style suits you better then go with that.
If you want more power, use JPen. If you want more flexibility, use CPen.
I'm a former jpen player and the rpb on the cpen is very deadly. I recommend cpen
@raegiorem it's really a personal preference. What grip do you feel most comfortable with. Another consideration might be which grip can you get the best coaching for where you live.
@Kakashinoor Especially with the forehand loop, the principles are very similar for both the shakehand and penhold grips. Try watching the videos on our website about the forehand loop and concentrate on the start and finish position of the stroke. This will be the same and if you can get these right you are well on your way to being able to play it consistently.
It can be difficult to learn table tennis at first. Stick with it though and keep practicing, then you will start to see results.
As both Alois and I are shakehand players, we are going to be making a lot more videos using this grip.
@wluc1 It is really a personal choice. Which do you like better?
@MetroSniffStudios We are using the PingSkills touch with Vega Pro. We sell these on our website.
@claymathhews21 We just thought it would make the video more interesting.
Is there not a reverse forehand? I find that you can generate ridiculous amounts of topspin using the reverse side of the bat on the forehand - can't get it very accurate though.
+TheLivingHeiromartyr I think that is the reason it hasn't become very popular, because the consistency just isn't there. Players can get consistency and power using the standard technique. It is fun to try the reverse forehand though :)
Theres a video of xu xin doing that. Its a commercial for stiga rubbers i think, search for it, its pretty awesome.
pretty sure the spin is coming for extra brushing. You can get similar from a regular forehand if you just change your stroke. The only use for reverse forehand would be if you have really different rubber on your backhand side to confuse your opponent.
wow...this is awsum this video helped me a lot...!!! thank u guys coz of this i've improved my backhand
sir i'm a pen holder, and my problem is, i'm not consistent when it comes in drillings :( and my top spin also..
@herlequin We don't use the rating system that the US does.
@lclaycomb thanks for the tip. I've not heard of a pop filter before.
@liontoxicatorR Great. I'll tell Alois to watch out for your question.
I use the penhold grip flat fingered, when I do the backhand technique, it doesn't really have that much space to hit the ball, it hits my fingers everytime. xDAny solutions?
A good tip is to make sure you watch the ball really closely. I know it sounds obvious but it really does help to track the ball onto the bat.
Good to hear you are progressing well. Keep working on your game.
@LordNibbler2300 Glad you liked it.
@gulligagardinen You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it.
@wenotubeyou Great. Good luck with your Table Tennis.
@scatignani You're welcome.
@MU84R1K You're welcome!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. Good luck with your Table Tennis!
Hi, i have big problem... I really like this grip and i would like to learn how to play it, but when I play about 30min with this grip, my fingers and hand hurts massively, I dont know why... this is keeping me for using this grip, that I really like.
+MophisGames That is strange. It sounds like you might be holding the bat too tight. Maybe try focusing on keeping a relaxed grip next time you play?
PingSkills I dont gold it too tight, i have just bad bat.
+MophisGames I see. Then it sounds like you need to get a more comfortable bat. I hope that will solve your problems.
+raghu ram I'd go for more control first and then work on power after you've developed consistency.
How are you going to blame a bat for uncomfortable holding. Your fingers are probably just not used to being in that position or the way its being pressure in weird ways. Either adjust your grip or get used to it. Even shakehand made my fingers hurt when I first used it.
Well, not massively. I'm hoping that's an exaggeration or else it's probably your fingers that are the problem.
@NC56Fiesta Your welcome.
the motion and the posture is abit wrong.
@DWILLMVP1 I'm glad you liked the video.
Hello Alois! I have a question about which penhold grip i should use since I am extremely conflicted between using the japanese penhold and the chinese penhold. I use cchinese penhold when I serve and I switch to japanese when I rally. I tried both chinese and japanese penhold and they both work fine except for reverse penhold backhand which I prefer chinese penhold more. My question is, should I use the chinese penhold or the japanese penhold? I also want to thank you for making a video about penhold techniques since everyone is pretty much doing tutorials on shakehand techniques
It really is a personal preference. If you like the reverse penhold then go with the Chinese penhold grip.
Regards,
Jeff.
@jebwatson Good luck!
@DereKkMuRR Good luck!
@Wkesi2 Thanks!
Could make a more modern version I guess the Penhold evolved.
You're welcome.
Thanks!
However, i feel the video failed to highlight the most obvious virtue of the the penhold grip, which is for many the deciding factor in making the swap over. The extra money that can be diverted to beer and other practically harmless vices, from only have to purchase a single rubber.
If you are conscious of appearing a bit cheap, then you have serious personal issues, which cannot be addressed over youtube, but a liberal coating with a permanent marker will suffice as a temporary solution.
One thing that I disagree with PingSkill is that penholders do have a crossover point. I use all reverse penhold backhand for backhand, which mean I use RPB even for blocks, lobbing, counter-hits. I find that the transition between backhand and forehand is even harder than shakehand. As a draw back, I can get a lot of spin on both side because of the wrist motion. In my opinion, the modern Chinese RPB is a good option for an offensive two-wing looper, like Wang Hao!
thanks, I'm Korean/Japanese Penhold and I really needed help on my backhand technique
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese style penhold blade, How is it on the Japanese penhold blade like say the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply blade?
I use the Japanese penhold square blade with a single sheet of rubber and now would like to try out the rpb technique.
Would a sticky/tacky rubber be ideal for the rpb?
Hi i'm a beginner at ping pong. I'm not horrible and I can get 15 to 20 hit rallies. I use "pen holder" but I'm not sure. My korean friends taught me to put my index finger and middle finger over the front face of the paddle or bat or waht ever. But yeah I need some help and advice on how to become a better player. Ne tips?
I hold shakehand but I need help, it feels awkward having my hand so far up the bat and having my forefinger pointing horizontaly, so I hold it a little lower and have my forefinger almost vertical(but not in the way) I need to change grip for a backhand, is that okay?
I love ur video very much. I changed grips for almost 5 times and i think i prefer pen hold more. I just started playing table tennis a few months ago, and i still have problems with my back hand, every time i hit the ball, it either goes to side or i hit too far away, can anyone help me??
The rpb is commonly seen on Chinese penhold blade. Has anyone use the rpb with a Japanese penhold blade like the Butterfly Hinoki Senkoh 5-ply?
I use to the Japanese penhold blade with a single rubber sheet, but would like to try out the rpb technique.
Your comments appreciated.
This is only true is you use RPB exclusively. I use a traditional backhand punch block for all balls going to my backhand but closer to the crossover point and then I use RPB for ball coming wider to my backhand. This will make your elbow weakness more easily defendable. Try it!
You're welcome.
Sounds like you're a natural Chinese penhold player to me if you naturally change sides. And that's fine. Just learn that RPB. I have the opposite situation since I play Jpen. Tried Cpen once. Couldn't adapt to it on the backhand. I naturally hit all my backhands with the same side.
Hm...I'm just a casual player, but when I first started, I held my paddle in a fashion similar to this, just because I thought it was unique and different. Interesting to find out now that there's a name to it with a good video describing the method better for me.
@pingskills One last thing, the problem is we dont have a ping pong table in our house, so I just randomly hit the ball and let it bounce on the wall. Is it ok? or it will affect my actual performance during a match because of that practice?
I disagree with a RPB backhand shot then a traditional penhold backhand punch. You can punch back on the backhand just fine with the RPB grip and use it as a 'chop block', and with a bit of sidespin at that. If your gunna be a Reverse penhold player, than BE an RBP player. It gave me the backhand of my dreams (for my level) AND the 'crossover point' is no big deal unless your a slow indecisive clod. Robert at 66.
Thanks! :)
Hi, I play penhold with my fingers curled in the back, and the top joint of my middle finger is developing a callus where it rubs against the bat when I play. Is this normal for penholders or am I holding the paddle wrong?
Im having little placement problems with me penhold back hand smash / topspin, every shot that i play from my lft hand side tends to go cross court.. i cant play my backhand straight down the line.. suggest... plz
@chunkyostrich
I didn't try it whilst playing, but it seems that the forehand angle is a bit different and the general pressure is harder too...
It's just another feeling, I don't think I'd like to play like this...
it took me about 1 summer of practice to get comfortable to play it in game situation - for my friends and it, it tends to generate more power than the forehand (when the forehand doesn't get the left foot power step forward)
@jetleeming I'm white (non-Asian) but play "RPB". I think it's gradually becoming more popular worldwide. Remember it's still a fairly new thing even in China. Traditional penhold is arguably inferior to shakehand.
World top ranking players from China such as world no.1 Wang Hao and Ma Lin uses this grip and plays well with it, the chinese even invented a backhand technique for it too, wonder how can they manipulate it so well.
I wonder, doesn't the Reverse penhold backhand strain the elbow/wrist quite a lot?
Also, I think penholders block topspin shots downwards don't they? Because otherwise it looks as if the ball would fly off of the table.
@arash1902 the penhold style yr talking about is the japanese penhold style which only has a rubber on one side, in this video they are using the chinese style penhold which has two sides of rubber.
does learning penhold grip help you play better with shakehand? Because I want to learn penhold but not as my main way to play and I dont wanna waste all that potential practice time learning it
Can you upload more about the backhand? I practiced the RPB a lot and i am really good with it, but idk how to do the classic backhand and i need help, could you give me a hand?
@pingskills Whenever i use the topspin i always seem to have my wrist bent,is there any technique or like a piece of equipment i can use to keep it straight,i know it's a big factor.
The backhand techniques is a bit incorrect i think.
Mostly only the fore-arm will be used instead of the whole arm. You guys can refer to "唐建軍" or ryu seung min's backhand video.
@pingskills Well, our coach said penhold is better so i gave it a try. but im having a hard time using it, but I think I just need more practice, so thanks anyway :))
Great videos, but PLEASE# PLEASE PLEASE invest in a pop filter for your recordings. Every time you use a P or B it sounds HORRIBLE! POP FILTER and i would buy your videos!
el mejor es estilo mariposa...
el penhold o lapicero siempre a quedado atras por la falta de ataque con topspin, es una desventaja, el que lo logra contrarrestar sufre un desgaste fisico notable al estar buscando siempre su derecho
@choiwlee i play this guy who has antispin on the back of his japanese penhold blade and when i serve fast to his backhand he chops and it is very annoying