Penhold Techniques for Table Tennis

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  • @glathir1168
    @glathir1168 8 років тому +320

    My left ear learnt a lot from this video.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +31

      Yes, I'm really sorry that your right ear couldn't help you with this video. In our later videos we have fixed this :-)

    • @glathir1168
      @glathir1168 8 років тому +13

      PingSkills Haha, no worries. It was still a very helpful video :-)

    • @antarctic6182
      @antarctic6182 5 років тому +6

      i thought it was my ear and i had to clean it twice till i noticed your comment

  • @gunrugger
    @gunrugger 3 роки тому +23

    0:11 - Basics
    0:58 - Advantages
    2:15 - Disadvantages (not biased at all lol)
    3:04 - Forehand Technique
    4:29 - Backhand Technique
    5:37 - Reverse Backhand Technique
    7:15 - Pushing
    8:06 - Korean/Japanese Backhand Technique
    8:53 - Combinations
    11:03 - Credits

  • @mrpernickety3
    @mrpernickety3 8 років тому +38

    I just found this channel and I must applaud your simple and professional approach to Ping Pong. As a rookie I play casually. My space and time for playing Ping Pong are limited but I enjoy learning more and growing in the sport, which has been helped immensely but your tutorials.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +2

      +Mr Pernickety Thanks. I'm glad you are liking the channel. Make sure to take a look at the PingSkills website too and sign up for our free email newsletter with lots of table tennis tips.

    • @devsahani2873
      @devsahani2873 7 років тому +2

      PingSkills

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  7 років тому +4

      Dev!

  • @JoshuaChoiboy
    @JoshuaChoiboy 11 років тому +23

    Yep u can. That's the traditional Korean/Japanese penhold grip. (The first time Japan and Korea actually AGREED on something). Plus that's what I use!

  • @iLoveapplejuice100
    @iLoveapplejuice100 12 років тому +3

    Very helpful, ive recently been playing more table tennis since i got a table for free and i recently switched to this grip after noticing the olympic players that used this grip were dominant, and this grip to me is much more versatile and agile than the shakehand, i found your video whilst searching to refine my skills with the penhold and this vid certainly helped me (mostly with the topspin or loop shot, i was pleased to find that i was already doing most of these shots properly) thanks!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому +1

    @poopootae I'm glad you found it useful. It is OK to have a small variation in grip between the backhand and forehand. As long as it is seamless to switch from backhand to forehand and vice versa.

  • @Branovix
    @Branovix 12 років тому

    Hahaha I love how you stay so calm to that little guy saying he is better. He could never know! Matt didn't even play full power, he was just showing techniques. Good video!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @AceofDlamonds Good question. I think if it is played correctly it doesn't put too much strain on the wrist. And when blocking topspin, you do need to counter the topspin regardless of which grip you use.

  • @inohseverything
    @inohseverything 14 років тому +1

    thanks, I'm Korean/Japanese Penhold and I really needed help on my backhand technique

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому +1

    It sounds like you need to practice this. See if you can get a training partner to play to your backhand and then practice hitting the ball down the line. If it always goes cross court you may have to even aim off the table. Don't be scared about missing the ball, it's important during training to experiment whilst you are learning.

  • @stevema2
    @stevema2 15 років тому

    this is good for pen holds...i will let my colleague know to watch this video for sure. Good work ping skills!

  • @Drumming-Life
    @Drumming-Life 7 років тому

    I started out playing table tennis using the Shakehand grip. I recently switched to Penhold. I have always dabbled with Penhold, but finally, I decided that my style dictated that I make the jump to Penhold. My serves are my strength and I can put much more spin on them and have more control using Penhold. Thank you for this video. I am positive that I made the right decision and will continue to practice both grips, but focus mainly on Penhold.

    • @Wally-H
      @Wally-H 7 років тому

      The penhold is a great grip, and much underrated. Having switched you'll get some puzzled looks, and a lot of players asking why on earth you would want to do such a thing. When they see the different variety of spin you get on your loops, chops and top spins, and they have trouble reading it, then you can say "that's why!" Penhold isn't for everyone, but if it feels comfortable, it is definitely worth a try. I find in my local league that players simply aren't used to it and they have a lot of trouble reading what's coming at them.

  • @seigfreeg
    @seigfreeg 15 років тому

    BEAUTIFULLY DONE, i wasnt much of a penholder fan. but after trying this my penholder technique increased quite a bit

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @liontoxicatorR We don't get much room here to answer in detail. It sounds like this might need a bit of discussion. It might be best if you post a question on our website under the Ask the Coach section!

  • @abhishekyadav463
    @abhishekyadav463 11 років тому +2

    wow...this is awsum this video helped me a lot...!!! thank u guys coz of this i've improved my backhand

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @vblings The problem is that we are shakehand players so know a lot more about this style of play. A lot of our tutorials are still applicable to the penhold grip as the basic principles do not change.

  • @LAGman91
    @LAGman91 10 років тому

    I am playing table tennis about a month, I learnt the penhold 1 week after I started and noticed that my reactions and strokes have greatly improved!

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому +1

      That's great LAGman91. Keep up the good work! If you can find a table tennis club in your area you should try and join up, it will be a great experience.

  • @DWILLMVP1
    @DWILLMVP1 13 років тому

    wow great video, I am now so much more confident with penhold, can not wait for some basement table tennis!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  15 років тому +1

    Traditionally a penholder would only use one side of the bat. But nowadays most people starting out with the penhold grip are also learning the "reverse penhold backhand" (rpb) which uses the other side of the bat.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @gulligagardinen The main thing to concentrate on is brushing the ball on the side. To get a lot of spin you need to brush the ball and have your bat moving quickly.

  • @jerry2477
    @jerry2477 15 років тому

    Very helpful instructive video. We are all much indebted for the upload.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  14 років тому

    @gulligagardinen You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому +1

    @meandonlyme1998 Good question. I'm not really sure how to answer this one. Maybe try posting this on our website under our Ask the Coach section and we'll get a real answer for you!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @MetroSniffStudios We are using the PingSkills touch with Vega Pro. We sell these on our website.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    @argonmeditation Concentrate on your start and finish positions. These are the most critical to get right. You can practice the stroke away from the table just to get the feel of the shot right. Once you get a bit more comfortable go back to the table and try and get 5 on in a row. Work on improving your consistency. Start hitting the ball slowly and then aim for 10 in a row.
    You can always ask us a question on our website using "Ask the Coach". We've got more room for answers there!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  14 років тому

    @Kakashinoor Especially with the forehand loop, the principles are very similar for both the shakehand and penhold grips. Try watching the videos on our website about the forehand loop and concentrate on the start and finish position of the stroke. This will be the same and if you can get these right you are well on your way to being able to play it consistently.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @raegiorem If you don't have a table then hitting against a wall can help. In fact if you look at our free lessons on our website, you'll find one called practicing alone. This will give you some more ideas on how you can practice without a table.
    Good luck!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @tabletennispenhold You could try asking this question on the ask the coach section of our website and see if we can find any answers for you.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    Thanks! I'm glad you liked it. Good luck with your Table Tennis!

  • @henhen778
    @henhen778 10 років тому

    i just started using penhold grip, i grip more toward the end of handle and spread out the three fingers on backside, and hold the bat somewhat perpendicular to hand. i find this grip very flexible in hitting different ball flights, though not as powerful as the shakehand grip, i can use both bat sides very naturally. the downside is work too much for the wrist, in fact curling fingers only increases burden on the wrist. good work.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому

      Thanks for your input Aphinant Tantiwatana

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    Good to hear you are progressing well. Keep working on your game.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @scatignani You're welcome.

  • @MajorKirrahe
    @MajorKirrahe 10 років тому

    I've just started playing Table Tennis and I've decided to go for the penhold technique, great tutorial thanks!

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому

      You're welcome LloydVlogs33.
      Good luck with your table tennis.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    @kingspartan375299 To put sidespin on the ball you need to brush the ball on the side of the ball. This will get the ball spinning around.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @LordNibbler2300 Glad you liked it.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @wluc1 It is really a personal choice. Which do you like better?

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @GooGooGaGa10 You're welcome.

  • @staciegreen472
    @staciegreen472 7 років тому

    Hey! I simply want to give a huge thumbs up for the nice video youve here on this post. I will probably be coming again to your videos for more soon.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @DWILLMVP1 I'm glad you liked the video.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @MU84R1K You're welcome!

  • @npast1
    @npast1 6 років тому +7

    Very nice video, thank you! Hard to find good instructions for penholders. A video with advanced pehold serve techniques would be great too. It seems to me that if you are mostly relying on RPB, like Wang Hao, then you pretty much still have the crossover point weakness in more or less the same spot? I am not an expert, I tried both grips, and to me the main advantage of penhold is more control on the spin because of its extended amplitude of wrist movement. I guess, from my limited understanding, one disadvantage of penhold would be for chopping defenders -- looks like that play style is better suited for shakehand?

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  6 років тому

      Great observations. Certainly if you use the reverse penhold backhand then you do have a crossover point. You can still play a traditional backhand with the penhold though. And yes chopping is much easier for shakehand players.

  • @Hairless-Bear
    @Hairless-Bear 15 років тому

    very thorough video!
    great job PingSkills!

  • @charliestuckey-outtamymind4279
    @charliestuckey-outtamymind4279 8 років тому

    When I was first learning ping pong, my brother forced me to learn the penholder grip. It turns out to be by far the best, as for me, it virtually eliminates the backhand, and most of your movement is in the wrist. Also, you can really put some spin on the ball, and make killer short shots.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +1

      Thanks for sharing your experiences.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @lclaycomb thanks for the tip. I've not heard of a pop filter before.

  • @formulachan
    @formulachan 15 років тому

    Love it, please show more video of penhold techniques.

  • @MU84R1K
    @MU84R1K 13 років тому

    Thanks a lot pingskills - You have helped me improve more and more with your tutorials. Keep it up :)

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @GooGooGaGa10 Take a look on our website as we have a lesson on the shakehand grip. We have also just answered a question via video about changing your grip during a rally so check out ask the coach or our search for the video on our channel. Basically it is OK to have a small change in grip as long as you are not getting caught out with the wrong grip and losing points. Good luck!

  • @iRanotherguy
    @iRanotherguy 15 років тому

    i am going to try this out. looks like a very effective technique.

  • @gustavoortega5321
    @gustavoortega5321 3 роки тому

    excelente clase...!!! muchas gracias. Saludos desde Argentina...!!!

  • @CahirMawrDyffrynaepCeallach
    @CahirMawrDyffrynaepCeallach 15 років тому

    your videos are getting better and better =)

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @liontoxicatorR Great. I'll tell Alois to watch out for your question.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @Golden2Talon Yeah sorry about that. We are getting better at producing our videos now so hopefully all our newer videos have better volume levels.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @raegiorem it's really a personal preference. What grip do you feel most comfortable with. Another consideration might be which grip can you get the best coaching for where you live.

  • @Hirobian
    @Hirobian 10 років тому +52

    Sound quality is a real ear killer for headphone users.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому +5

      Thanks for the feedback Hirobian. On all our newer videos we have increased the sound quality.

    • @Hirobian
      @Hirobian 10 років тому

      That is good new! :)

  • @EmpanadaDeCaca
    @EmpanadaDeCaca 5 років тому

    Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge and doing it in a way that's easy to understand

  • @goeckingjr
    @goeckingjr 4 роки тому

    Amazing video, i was about to try shake hand grip, but now i can try reverse back hand with the pen hold grip

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому +1

    @wesley621375 It's in there from about the 6:00 mark.

  • @liontoxicatorR
    @liontoxicatorR 13 років тому +1

    @pingskills Okay,il be posting on the forums shortly.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  14 років тому

    @NC56Fiesta Your welcome.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  14 років тому

    @herlequin We don't use the rating system that the US does.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  14 років тому

    @kevtyan If you've only got rubber on one side then you won't be able to play the Reverse Penhold Backhand.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    As both Alois and I are shakehand players, we are going to be making a lot more videos using this grip.

  • @maximianomartin1119
    @maximianomartin1119 Місяць тому

    Gracias por compartirlo. Desde Gran Canaria, España!

  • @queensalvatore4598
    @queensalvatore4598 10 років тому

    This video was very informational
    I'm excited to try them when I go practice on Monday. :)

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому

      Great to hear queensalvatore. Good luck with your training session on Monday.

  • @PsyCas
    @PsyCas 12 років тому

    @David Baile pen hold is an awesome grip. However, looking at the shake hand grip, it has a terribly weak backhand. So as mentioned in this video, try practising the reverse penhold backhand cause it increases your backhand efficiency alot. I am a penhold and one of the best at where i play. Hope you love table tennis too. Good luck

  • @MidnightRunnerShow
    @MidnightRunnerShow 14 років тому

    Nice video. However, I have a very unique grip. I hold the paddle with just my pinky and my thumb and I use my other fingers to stablize and keep the paddle flush or as angled as I need it. It works with my backhand which is not a typical backhand. There are several ways but each one has to find there own and what works. You guys should do a video on different paddle types. Thanks and great channel

  • @TheBearFarm99
    @TheBearFarm99 12 років тому

    Thanks, I love this video and now I've learn reverse backhand very well. thanks for help :)

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    You need to try and adjust the angle of your bat so you don't hit the ball down. Watch the video and try to get a good picture in your mind of how the stroke is played. Then practice it without a ball (this is called shadow play). Once you feel you've got the stroke correct then try it out on the table.

  • @vinni522
    @vinni522 13 років тому

    it took me about 1 summer of practice to get comfortable to play it in game situation - for my friends and it, it tends to generate more power than the forehand (when the forehand doesn't get the left foot power step forward)

  • @JonathanDB05
    @JonathanDB05 12 років тому

    i am looking forward playing this sport.. :)) i will practice this pen hold it looks cool and has many advantages from a normal hand shake hold.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @Zkayber We actually have a video on how you can practice alone. Go to our website and check out our lessons page, you'll find it there.

  • @scatignani
    @scatignani 13 років тому

    Thanks for the lesson and suggestions!

  • @broro100
    @broro100 13 років тому

    @arash1902 the penhold style yr talking about is the japanese penhold style which only has a rubber on one side, in this video they are using the chinese style penhold which has two sides of rubber.

  • @kingspartan375299
    @kingspartan375299 12 років тому +1

    I was wondering how to put right and left spin on a ball while using the penhold technique???

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @Zkayber Great. Make sure you check out our website too. Just Google for PingSkills!

  • @chronussphere0845
    @chronussphere0845 8 років тому

    This is VERY helpful thanks👍🏾
    It helped me in my school table tennis matches

  • @yurinal3565
    @yurinal3565 4 роки тому +1

    I’ve had a habit of using the penhold grip for my entire life. As a kid I had a paddle that handle was too short for me, so I started holding it like that.

  • @thomasmcmichael508
    @thomasmcmichael508 9 років тому +4

    I am looking for a new penhold paddle. I'm 13 years old so would the Japanese penhold be harder for me or hurt my game? Should I just go with Chinese penhold? I'm sort of on the side of Japanese style. Thanks!!

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  9 років тому

      If you think the Japanese style suits you better then go with that.

    • @andyzhaott
      @andyzhaott 7 років тому

      If you want more power, use JPen. If you want more flexibility, use CPen.

    • @noah7477
      @noah7477 6 років тому

      I'm a former jpen player and the rpb on the cpen is very deadly. I recommend cpen

  • @reinterpret_cast
    @reinterpret_cast 12 років тому +1

    Is it possible to execute a chop using the penhold grip? I've never seen any penholders chopping

  • @adolfconrad5176
    @adolfconrad5176 4 роки тому

    Thank you Brother, this video helped clear things up with me about pen hold grip. May you always follow GOD's guidance brother, keep safe

  • @iMin2gas
    @iMin2gas 15 років тому

    I'm a penholder :) . Great video, thanks a lot.

  • @dirtywashedupsparkle
    @dirtywashedupsparkle 6 років тому

    Thanks a lot for sharing this, it was very helpful.

  • @TheLivingHeiromartyr
    @TheLivingHeiromartyr 9 років тому +4

    Is there not a reverse forehand? I find that you can generate ridiculous amounts of topspin using the reverse side of the bat on the forehand - can't get it very accurate though.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  9 років тому +3

      +TheLivingHeiromartyr I think that is the reason it hasn't become very popular, because the consistency just isn't there. Players can get consistency and power using the standard technique. It is fun to try the reverse forehand though :)

    • @w1nn4h
      @w1nn4h 8 років тому +2

      Theres a video of xu xin doing that. Its a commercial for stiga rubbers i think, search for it, its pretty awesome.

    • @DoggyP00
      @DoggyP00 8 років тому +1

      pretty sure the spin is coming for extra brushing. You can get similar from a regular forehand if you just change your stroke. The only use for reverse forehand would be if you have really different rubber on your backhand side to confuse your opponent.

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @Wkesi2 Thanks!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  12 років тому

    Thanks!

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @raegiorem I don't think it is better as such. There are great players who have used the penhold grip and there are great players who have used the shakehand.
    As you say though, everything requires more practice :) Keep working hard and you'll make progress.

  • @princem4306
    @princem4306 10 років тому +3

    I was playing like that for a week and now im 1 of the best penn hold playes in our school

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому +1

      Well done Prince M. Keep practicing and imagine how good you could become :)

  • @stevenwang2037
    @stevenwang2037 10 років тому +1

    Great video! Very informative

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  10 років тому

      Thanks Steven Wang, I'm glad you liked it. Make sure you check out the PingSkills website for more great table tennis videos!

  • @jheasapera7904
    @jheasapera7904 7 років тому

    I'm a pen hold user this helps me a lot......

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  7 років тому

      Glad to hear it. Good luck with your table tennis.

  • @choiwlee
    @choiwlee 14 років тому

    @extremetabletennis16 Thanks for your response. I have never used antispin rubber. It is more of a defensive rubber I think. Can it be used effectively as an offensive drive/topspin?

  • @pingskills
    @pingskills  13 років тому

    @claymathhews21 We just thought it would make the video more interesting.

  • @andyzhou8937
    @andyzhou8937 8 років тому +1

    Hello Alois! I have a question about which penhold grip i should use since I am extremely conflicted between using the japanese penhold and the chinese penhold. I use cchinese penhold when I serve and I switch to japanese when I rally. I tried both chinese and japanese penhold and they both work fine except for reverse penhold backhand which I prefer chinese penhold more. My question is, should I use the chinese penhold or the japanese penhold? I also want to thank you for making a video about penhold techniques since everyone is pretty much doing tutorials on shakehand techniques

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому

      It really is a personal preference. If you like the reverse penhold then go with the Chinese penhold grip.
      Regards,
      Jeff.

  • @ascended8174
    @ascended8174 8 років тому

    Hello PingSkills! I'd just like to ask for some extra tips on the reverse backhand. I hit the ball right on and it keeps flying off the table. Anything you can tell me?

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +1

      It sounds like you need to get more topspin on the ball to drag it down. To do this you need to hit the ball with a fast brushing contact. Don't hit the ball too flat.

    • @ascended8174
      @ascended8174 8 років тому +1

      PingSkills Thank you for the response! I'll practice even more. Great trick-serves. Hope you'll do another one!

  • @andyzhaott
    @andyzhaott 7 років тому

    Missing key point: when doing the reverse backhand topspin, it's important to put pressure on the thumb while turning the wrist inwards before contact. You can see many top penhold players such as Xu Xin do this.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  7 років тому

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  • @gulligagardinen
    @gulligagardinen 14 років тому

    thanks so mutch for this video! it was very usefully.

  • @MophisGames
    @MophisGames 8 років тому +3

    Hi, i have big problem... I really like this grip and i would like to learn how to play it, but when I play about 30min with this grip, my fingers and hand hurts massively, I dont know why... this is keeping me for using this grip, that I really like.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому

      +MophisGames That is strange. It sounds like you might be holding the bat too tight. Maybe try focusing on keeping a relaxed grip next time you play?

    • @MophisGames
      @MophisGames 8 років тому

      PingSkills I dont gold it too tight, i have just bad bat.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +1

      +MophisGames I see. Then it sounds like you need to get a more comfortable bat. I hope that will solve your problems.

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  8 років тому +1

      +raghu ram I'd go for more control first and then work on power after you've developed consistency.

    • @DoggyP00
      @DoggyP00 8 років тому +1

      How are you going to blame a bat for uncomfortable holding. Your fingers are probably just not used to being in that position or the way its being pressure in weird ways. Either adjust your grip or get used to it. Even shakehand made my fingers hurt when I first used it.
      Well, not massively. I'm hoping that's an exaggeration or else it's probably your fingers that are the problem.

  • @thomasmcmichael508
    @thomasmcmichael508 9 років тому

    Hi Alois,
    I find my forehand to be more powerful and have more spin with the penhold so I'm definitely keeping the grip, but could you please make a vides or give me tips for my penhold inverted backhand. I'm a lefty and I find the face of the bat tends to face left and it feels awkward. Please help!

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  9 років тому

      Hi Terry Curve,
      We do cover the reverse penhold backhand in this video. We talk a bit about how to get the bat facing toward the ball. Let me know if it helps out.

  • @goodboyecua
    @goodboyecua 9 років тому +1

    Awesome video thanks 👍

    • @pingskills
      @pingskills  9 років тому

      Jorge Salazar You're welcome.

  • @DereKkMuRR
    @DereKkMuRR 13 років тому

    well i play shakehand and im going to try penhold i hope i can get it down good!

  • @NetherVoiD
    @NetherVoiD 12 років тому

    Nicely made training video