Not really, it takes a lot of training to get an adequate footwork to win a match, I think Ma lin's skills are really useful because amateur players are uaually weak in receiving service.
Another great video :) Dunno if this has been done but could you do a ‘Oshima and Morizono’ as a doubles pairing compilation as I think that would be awesome
Japanese TT has a great pen-hold tradition. In fact, when the Chinese pen-holders were having troubles with the Europeans during the 90s, many Chinese national coaches were saying the only pen-hold player can stand up against the looping games would be the former Great Japanese World Champion, Mitsuru Kohno. Sadly for the pen-holders, none of them developed into another Mitsuru Kohno. Liu Guoliang, Ma Lin, and Wang Hao had very successful careers but they were using reverse backhand. But since Wang Hao, even the Chinese are not producing top-notch pen-hold players.
@@fiatakarudin1239 It is good for the local TT community to have different variety of players. But beware of how to hold the penhold grip correctly. I have to say more than 50% of the recreational penholders don't have the correct grip.
What I would give to hear, in person, Ryu and Kaii playing eachother in the early 2000's with a 38mm ball and speed glued 10mm hinoki 1 plys with bryce hispeed. Must have been deafening to be in that hall.
Better even yet, I switched to the RVP grip at 65 from the rediculous 'Dan Seemiller grip' and got the backhand of my dreams (for my level of course) I pattern my style after Wang Hao.
Kim was stronger with his forehand. Ma Lin and Ryu Seung Min are the equals of Kim. People tend to forget players of older generations. Guo Yue Hua and Mitsuru Kohno were WTTC Single World Champions. Both Guo and Kohno were pen-holders and ranked as all-time greats or at least the best in the world for several years.
@@sumandas9487 No, Guo Yue Hua is a Chinese-style penholder and Kohno is a Japanese-style penholder. While they were playing professionally, both had very good footwork and both players loved to attack the ball on the ascend. Even though Guo had better serves but I think Kohno was more complete as a player because he had a very good backhand. Both players were the exact opposite of Harimoto. They were very calm and showed limited emotions.
@@benthekeeshond545 jpen hold style is good or ch pen hold style is good? ma lin, lin guoling, using forehand side as back hand? then xu xin and wang hao using which style?
@@sumandas9487 The Chinese or Japanese penholders are the same except for the shape of the paddle. I believe the Japanese blade produces faster straight away velocity but not as spinny as the Chinese blade. I strongly believe good or bad completely depends on who is using it. The 4 players you mentioned are penholders and all 4 are capable of using the reverse backhand loop or RPB. Wang Hao is the best with his backhand and I have never seen him used the traditional push from his backhand side. Wang Hao has no backhand weakness. Ma Lin uses push blocks and the RPB. However, his backhand loop is not as strong as that of Wang Hao. In his career, most of his defeats came against players that were able to take advantage of his weaker side, his backhand. Liu Guo Liang was one of the first Chinese national players to use the RPB but he was never good at it. Basically, Liu was a traditional penholder and push block with his backhand. Xu Xin began as a traditional penholder and only push block with his backhand. He picked up the RPB after he joined the Chinese National Team. As of now, I think he almost entirely adapts to the RPB. But unlike Wang Hao, Xu's backhand is still his achilles. If using the penhold-grip, the first and most important start is to correctly hold the blade. I mean both forehand and backhand. Consult with a competent TT coach if you plan to use the penhold-grip. From my personal observation, more than 50% of recreational penholders don't grip their rackets efficiently.
Henry, There were many penholders with a much better traditional backhand. Can we recall Ryu Seung Min, a contemporary of Yoshida, Wang Hao, and Ma Lin?
@@henrytan5707 Xu Xin is a very good player but his TT accomplishment pales compared to Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Liu Guo Liang. Perhaps you are too young and I am not sure you watched TT from the 1970s, 1980s, and the 1990s.
@@stevew3978 If you spoke Mandarin Chinese I doubt you would actually say 'Ping pong' prove me wrong. Don't be a garage player. Pickleball, another Dufus name for a 'sport'
@@bobmalack481 Sorry, I don't understand what the heck you're trying to say. Did you mean to say, "You're (not Your!) a millennial (not millinial) garage player?" I guess you must have meant it as an insult to me, but it didn't quite work. I'm too old for that.
@@stevew3978 O.K...in the national Chinese language (Mandarin) report back to me if they actually pronounce the sport in their tongue 'ping pong', then I'll go on the web on learning foriegn languages and confirm your claim..I'll wait.
This guy was probably groomed to be a training/practise-partner for the Chinese team as he is originally chinese.... His style was maybe designed to replicate Ryu Seung Min...!?!
I don't think the Chinese then worried too much about Ryu. Ryu's winning % against the Chinese players is more likely 20% or less. His Olympic Gold Medal against Wang Hao was the only victory out of, don't remember, 12+ matches. I am sure he did not do well against Ma Lin either.
When they touch the table, sure. But like that, you cant really generate the spin that a shakehand player can generate. Thus your balls lack safety and your backhand just isnt as reliable
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吉田海偉選手の巻き込みサーブのフォームまじで好き
3:03 ~👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾ラリーに勝った相手に素晴らしい
i think, For the amateur penholder players, Kaii's playing is one of the best standard.keep learn & follow ....
i think so, too
Not really, it takes a lot of training to get an adequate footwork to win a match, I think Ma lin's skills are really useful because amateur players are uaually weak in receiving service.
@@ylong5697
gbc? Cocx f z. Sc Isif
🤭😝
4:56の最後のストレート超綺麗
To me he is one of the best penholder. I always love to see his playing style, a classic or traditional penhold style.
Yosida has such good game manners.
Lmao what does that mean
good JPEN players are always a delight to watch!
Please watch me
I recognize the excellence of his skills.
Tリーグ盛り上げてくれ
When you can hear Harimoto's shout in someone else's video...
wanted to write the same
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Harimoto is the most loquacious and verbally lit athlete in table tennis 😂😂
Keep up the great work!
1:37「カッコいいっす」
Thanks for this!
One of the only tradional penholder that regularly does topspin TPB
Great & cool player. I like him.
かっこいい
That was crazy impressive!
Another great video :)
Dunno if this has been done but could you do a ‘Oshima and Morizono’ as a doubles pairing compilation as I think that would be awesome
JazzaManga yes
1:41Stand By Meのサビ前
Thank for penhold video
You know they're good if there playing Ma Long especially winning points.
ペン同士の殴り合いみたいなラリー好きすぎる
Japanese TT has a great pen-hold tradition. In fact, when the Chinese pen-holders were having troubles with the Europeans during the 90s, many Chinese national coaches were saying the only pen-hold player can stand up against the looping games would be the former Great Japanese World Champion, Mitsuru Kohno. Sadly for the pen-holders, none of them developed into another Mitsuru Kohno. Liu Guoliang, Ma Lin, and Wang Hao had very successful careers but they were using reverse backhand. But since Wang Hao, even the Chinese are not producing top-notch pen-hold players.
@Kai Nakrit Xu Xin uses RPB, not a traditional penhold with 1 side rubber, and he plays like a shakehand player.
So sad that new generation dislike penhold grip, but I know it's easier to learn shakehand grip. I try to teach my son the penhold grip 😅
@@fiatakarudin1239
It is good for the local TT community to have different variety of players. But beware of how to hold the penhold grip correctly. I have to say more than 50% of the recreational penholders don't have the correct grip.
@@benthekeeshond545 Teach me your ways
ラケット吉田海偉使ってる同士おる？
1:30 good
やっぱり格好いい
카이 요시다?
경기를 박진감있게 잘 끌어가는군요
팬홀더단점인 백을 장점으로 이끄셯네요 화드폼 정확하니 맞드에서도 밀리지않았고 화스매싱도 좋았읍니다 발동작도 일체되어 므쪄보입니다
kaii Yoshida를 응원합니다
Yoshida is a good player and very kind
junkyu A not kind hes a cocky f.....
What I would give to hear, in person, Ryu and Kaii playing eachother in the early 2000's with a 38mm ball and speed glued 10mm hinoki 1 plys with bryce hispeed. Must have been deafening to be in that hall.
It was the first time I saw someone making ma long confused
kkk esse Kaii Yoshida é uma figura
He was arrested ...
対カットマンの時フォアの威力半端なさすぎてカットできてないのえぐい
All this video helps me to be patient and get used to pen holder grip m a beginner......
Better even yet, I switched to the RVP grip at 65 from the rediculous 'Dan Seemiller grip' and got the backhand of my dreams (for my level of course) I pattern my style after Wang Hao.
I'm a penholder player. Wish I could play like that. Train more
whats the piece of paper on the side with no rubber for?
He was not using that side of the racket. That piece of tape or something is either to prevent scraping holes or to minimize slips.
2:43
just wow!
Remind me of Kim Taek Soo. Entertaining to watch
Kim was stronger with his forehand. Ma Lin and Ryu Seung Min are the equals of Kim. People tend to forget players of older generations. Guo Yue Hua and Mitsuru Kohno were WTTC Single World Champions. Both Guo and Kohno were pen-holders and ranked as all-time greats or at least the best in the world for several years.
@@benthekeeshond545 guess yue and mitsuro both are jpen grip holder player?
@@sumandas9487
No, Guo Yue Hua is a Chinese-style penholder and Kohno is a Japanese-style penholder. While they were playing professionally, both had very good footwork and both players loved to attack the ball on the ascend. Even though Guo had better serves but I think Kohno was more complete as a player because he had a very good backhand. Both players were the exact opposite of Harimoto. They were very calm and showed limited emotions.
@@benthekeeshond545 jpen hold style is good or ch pen hold style is good? ma lin, lin guoling, using forehand side as back hand? then xu xin and wang hao using which style?
@@sumandas9487
The Chinese or Japanese penholders are the same except for the shape of the paddle. I believe the Japanese blade produces faster straight away velocity but not as spinny as the Chinese blade. I strongly believe good or bad completely depends on who is using it.
The 4 players you mentioned are penholders and all 4 are capable of using the reverse backhand loop or RPB.
Wang Hao is the best with his backhand and I have never seen him used the traditional push from his backhand side. Wang Hao has no backhand weakness.
Ma Lin uses push blocks and the RPB. However, his backhand loop is not as strong as that of Wang Hao. In his career, most of his defeats came against players that were able to take advantage of his weaker side, his backhand.
Liu Guo Liang was one of the first Chinese national players to use the RPB but he was never good at it. Basically, Liu was a traditional penholder and push block with his backhand.
Xu Xin began as a traditional penholder and only push block with his backhand. He picked up the RPB after he joined the Chinese National Team. As of now, I think he almost entirely adapts to the RPB. But unlike Wang Hao, Xu's backhand is still his achilles.
If using the penhold-grip, the first and most important start is to correctly hold the blade. I mean both forehand and backhand. Consult with a competent TT coach if you plan to use the penhold-grip. From my personal observation, more than 50% of recreational penholders don't grip their rackets efficiently.
A traditional penholder plays too far away from the table is doom.
Kong Wenge in real world
Frye Chen 😂😂😂
ピンポン
Kaii Yoshida is actually Chinese. Immigrated to Japan and changed his name.
This is probably the best traditional penhold back I have ever seen.
Henry,
There were many penholders with a much better traditional backhand. Can we recall Ryu Seung Min, a contemporary of Yoshida, Wang Hao, and Ma Lin?
@@benthekeeshond545 of course, no one penholder matches XX.
@@henrytan5707
Xu Xin is a very good player but his TT accomplishment pales compared to Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Liu Guo Liang. Perhaps you are too young and I am not sure you watched TT from the 1970s, 1980s, and the 1990s.
@@benthekeeshond545 Better to say best TPB loop.
Ping Pong is much more fun to watch than tennis, but sadly the western media don't broadcast Ping Pong games.
It's TABLE TENNIS, you must be a garage player.
@@bobmalack481 it's called ping pong in Chinese. No self-respecting Chinese calls it table tennis.
@@stevew3978 If you spoke Mandarin Chinese I doubt you would actually say 'Ping pong' prove me wrong. Don't be a garage player. Pickleball, another Dufus name for a 'sport'
@@bobmalack481 Sorry, I don't understand what the heck you're trying to say. Did you mean to say, "You're (not Your!) a millennial (not millinial) garage player?" I guess you must have meant it as an insult to me, but it didn't quite work. I'm too old for that.
@@stevew3978 O.K...in the national Chinese language (Mandarin) report back to me if they actually pronounce the sport in their tongue 'ping pong', then I'll go on the web on learning foriegn languages and confirm your claim..I'll wait.
This guy was probably groomed to be a training/practise-partner for the Chinese team as he is originally chinese....
His style was maybe designed to replicate Ryu Seung Min...!?!
Shane Lawson The guy designed to replicate Ryu Seung Min was Wang Jianjun
I don't think the Chinese then worried too much about Ryu. Ryu's winning % against the Chinese players is more likely 20% or less. His Olympic Gold Medal against Wang Hao was the only victory out of, don't remember, 12+ matches. I am sure he did not do well against Ma Lin either.
saygı duydum Yoşida reis.
lol his backhand is even stonger than shakehand players
Not as strong as Fan Zhendong, Zhang Jike, Ovtcharov or Kreanga but for a traditional penholder very strong
When they touch the table, sure. But like that, you cant really generate the spin that a shakehand player can generate. Thus your balls lack safety and your backhand just isnt as reliable
Ethan Gaming Production *some shakehand players
What about the Seemiller Grip?
Xu xin is better
That last backhand side is an extraordinary shot, to get over and around the ball like that, with power too, hurts my wrist just thinking about it.
吉田選手カッコいい(´д｀|||)
Please do ito mima
Xu Xin is better
xu xin has rpb. but kaii is traditional penholder no rpb.
2:23ぐらい音やばない？
Dude is playing like he is on speed or something xD
Right
Damn hes fast
So he uses a cpen blade but plays with jpen techniques?? Thats interesting!
What is this white square on the back of his racket?
sponge, for his fingers to feel comfortable at the back of the bat.
he is using chinese penhold
not japanese square penhold
yes he born in HeBei, China and had training in China until 17 years old. Thats why he use Chinese pen.
Yes... but hits with one side only.
Please can you do more great videos on japanese players
World TT tend to forget the great Japanese players. The one I admire most is Mitsuru Kohno.
Hugo calderano tribute
吉田海偉要是趕緊學會直拍橫打，也許會更有前途也說不定。
Name JAkPAR S SOS KB BENGKULU UTARA PROP BENGKULU salam persahabatan cari wawasan dan saran saran dri sahabat ku serang balik dan Beckhen Penhold penggemar Tennes Meja Olaraga Penhold tehnik alangkah kaki yang baik smoga bagus
Salam kenal sahabat ku salam Olahraga Tennes Meja pemegang Penholde dimna berada
移籍日本，吉田傳奇
張本の声が聞こえる
He is not japanese
彼は起訴されました。被害者3名3件起訴。そのうち1人は未成年の中学生が被害者です。
this guy has issues
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