Thought I'd try something different with the gmod visuals. Map is in the description. Let me know if it's Weird/jarring or if it fits. I know a lot of people wanted Noelle next; but I had to do them in order. Good news is Noelle script is already done and recording begins today so it shouldn't take as long as the Ralsei video took.
If you think about it, Kris at the time of wearing the red horned headband, thought he was going to look like a younger Asriel, just like ralsie so i mean..
don,t remember what video it was but it was a recent one that said that the darkners are not the object but are just linked by them.this would explain how even people who don,t have otherwordly knowledge like jevil and spamton still know of people from other dark worlds.
Then on the world's edge three heroes appear... a human, a monster, and Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White and Monthy Python and The Holy Grail's Black Knight, and Bennito Mussolini, and the Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie, RoboCop, the Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader, Lo Pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodor Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Oc and Hulk Hogan
Yeah me too. I read it as a call-back to what Flowey would say if you dodged all his 'friendliness pellets' repeatedly at the start of Undertale, though I do also think Nighthawk's analysis makes sense in the the context of Deltarune itself
Personally, the way he says "I suppose you missed what I said earlier" gives me the impression that he doesn't have a very high opinion of himself. Like "I suppose that she missed what I said because what I have to say isn't worth listening to". But that's also just my interpretation.
yeah i agree. i have thought that ralsei's passive aggressive lines are more a result of his ridiculously low self worth and his constant formality rather than actual aggression. like i read "i suppose you missed what i said earlier...." as just super insecure not like a pointed email from your boss lmao
i thought since he's so nice, and thinks that the only way to make friends is to be as nice as possible, he didn't know how to express when he has negative feedback to share
i agree. especially given his concerning acceptance in regards to being hurt. low self esteem can be one reason as to why someone doesnt stand up for themselves, and it seems like he does not have a very high self esteem at all.
About the orange bar, that's not the only time info for us is communicated, when seam tells how to pronounce his name. Diagetically there would be no reason to do that
to me it seems like an non-directly-confrontational way to bring it up to her. like a way to soften his repetition so she doesn't take it the wrong way.
I have a VERY strong feeling that the reason Ralsei is being so nice and forgiving towards Kris is because Ralsei knows what we (the player) are capable of, and knows that Kris is the vessel of our actions. Maybe
I mean, if you knew someone might be a serial killer with zero scruples and you had to work with this person a ton, you'd probably try to stay on their good side.
I find it incredibly interesting how Ralsei will bend over backwards to accommodate what the player wants to do, even if it's the exact opposite of what he suggested, yet when Susie dares to do the same thing, that's when he draws the line. I was thinking about how that scene where Ralsei calls out Susie after K. Round would play out if up until that point you had been playing an entirely violent run. It really shows how hypocritical Ralsei is.
Susie calls Ralsei out on that too in chapter 2, with "Why does Kris get to choose all the time?" or something to that effect, and then she just grabs up Ralsei and the two leave to do whatever; during that time it is assumed Ralsei was able to teach Susie healing magic
I'm SO glad you brought up Ralsei expecting Susie (and others) to do what he says just because he said it with that chapter 1 scene. Ralsei's bossiness is something I think people WILDLY overlook, he's sometimes so one-track-minded that he just doesn't consider any options or possibilities besides the one he assumes himself. This can def be tied to the absolute chokehold that the prophecy has on him and isn't necessarily a tell of his personality or character, like you said he just has an idea of how things should be and expects everybody to act accordingly. This is shown when he tells Berdly and the others not to create another fountain too, I've always found the wording of "What in the world are you all doing?" SO interesting. The way he acts like they're all being ridiculous. He's so.......... Ralsei Deltarune..........
yeah it’s my interpretation that the prophecy rules his life/mind so much that he forgets people might act outside of what is “supposed” to happen. like in snowgrave when kris/the player doesn’t want to snoop into noelle and susie’s convo and he’s like … don’t u wanna go in
yeah, i think hes well-intentioned, but is just _so_ convinced of his purpose, he doesnt realize theres way more to life than just...doing what youre "supposed" to. i get the feeling thats where most of his character development is going to be, given how in chapter two he talks about how hes realizing friendship isnt what he thought it was.
Wait he's actually so me, except with like academics, I no longer like get upset at people for not doing the reading/studying or whatever just cause it's so drilled in my mind as the right and important thing, at least outwardly, but I still have a hard time understanding why not (obviously I get illnesses, mental or physical and other major forces),genuinely giving me much to reflect about
@@sandsandlovesand3181 wait I've realised something much more interesting than my previous comment. According to what we know, Asriel was super religious, like praying to the angel all the time. What if that's another parallel between them
A random fan theory I’ve had for years about undertale is that “the one who talks with hands” that Frisk wasn’t supposed to trust didn’t mean Gaster but actually meant the player.
@@ProjectEchoshadow "Man" could also refer to just a human in general, although that definition is a bit outdated and doesn't seem like Toby's intent.
I think ralsei is probably the red horns, if this is a weathered accessory from long ago red would change to a lighter pink hue, to me it’s obvious ralsei as an object understands Kris’ desire to be similar to all the monsters around them and similar to their brother whom everyone likes and talks about the horns as an object represent their desire, this is why ralsei is so comforting towards kris since they have a lot of knowledge on what kris wanted as a young child, In fact this plays further into Ralseis child like naivety, toriel acts like kris hasn’t worn those horns for a while, maybe kris stopped wearing the horns as they grew up and realised that their desire to be like the monsters around them physically is impossible, since the horns weren’t used passed kris’ early childhood Ralseis only has knowledge on what Kris wanted as a child, I do think Kris wants to be like their peers and family currently but not to the point that they could have monster features. I think ralsei is obviously a character born from Kris’ liking of their brother but I also think people ignore the parallels Ralsei has to Kris’ mother Toriel, both how they act as a Tutorial much like undertale but also how Ralsei acts as a comfort towards Kris much like a mother with their child, Ralsei while obviously a boy has a lot of feminine traits to them like the pink colour that could be linked to femininity and the aforementioned motherly personality, I also think there’s a bit of Asgore in there what with all the hugging that comes up multiple times with Ralsei and how the first thing Asgore does when meeting Kris is hug them, sure Ralseis name is an anagram for Asriel but Asriel as a name is a mixture or Toriel and Asgore, Ralsei being all jumbled shows how he is a mixture of Kris’ whole family, Ralsei has no clue who he is because he’s a mixture of multiple people, not only that but a warped perception of people from a young child. This is why I think Ralsei’s story will be him gaining individuality I think we see this in chapter 2 as Susie and him hang out without Kris, which may have birthed the idea to be an individual not needing to be tethered to Kris to have purpose.
it being the horns from a narrative perspective makes very much sense, but how is ralsei moving between worlds then? does kris keep the horns somewhere hidden? (theyd be visible if kris wears them i think)
@@Francu8942My response is I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else can realistically answer that question with the information we have now, but I also think people in the deltarune community are obsessed with questions that don’t have answers (at least currently) people are so obsessed with the tiny details that their ignoring the words and imagery in front of them, think about it, what would knowing how Ralsei moves between dark worlds do?
Are the horns ever brought up in mandatory dialogue? I think so far everything that mentions them is missable, and I think it's unlikely that Ralsei will end up being an object that the player may never have heard of before, especially one as specific as that. Then again, with Toriel and potentially the Dreemurr household in chapter 3 (assuming it isn't just a TV world) there's still time for them to make their main-story debut, but if they don't get mentioned there then I think it'll end up being pretty unlikely. I do like the narrative significance of the horns and I think they would work well, but so far they're missing some basic building blocks of a good reveal.
39:50 I will point out that lines like "Now I don't have to sleep in a hole anymore." and "You Slept Curled Up On A Dirty Throne Every Day" indicate that darkners do *usually* follow a roughly-normal sleep schedule.
Re: Ralsei getting to the library, I think people are really discounting the possibility of the town having underground tunnels It is not that uncommon for towns in the US with older buildings to have disused bomb shelters under the more important places in the city, and even for them to be connected by tunnels. There’s some under my old high school actually that connect to the nearby middle school, they’re pretty much only used by stagecraft for storage now. Idk, the idea of there being a tunnel system that connects the school, the library, the church, city hall, the hospital, and the bunker is just VERY exciting to me and not actually *that* far out there all things considered
Yes, it's true that there could be underground tunnels in Hometown, but would that help Ralsei? If I am remembering correctly, each Dark World is its own separate "island" in a way, and the dark fountains in Castle town and the Card Castle just happen to be close enough to be connected via the door Ralsei closes. I just question if the dark fountain in the library is close enough to the dark fountain in Castle town for it to be possible for them to connect before it's even a question of the infrastructure of the Light World allowing Ralsei passage.
@@Stego.raptor I don’t think we have enough information really, but given we could go from castle town to card kingdom through the door from the closet to the unused classroom, I think that if the closet had some kind of old tunnel entrance, going through it may not necessarily mean leaving the dark world. Like, if it’s connected to the bunker and the bunker has some kind of weird darkness machine or whatever, then I could see that making the tunnels some kind of weird between limbo dark world or something But now I’m getting into wild speculation. Idk the idea just compels me
I like your Snowgrave route theory, its actually a theory i've had for a while, it reminds me of the dialogue from Sans' No Mercy dialogue: "I thought the anomaly just needed some good food, some bad laughs" "I thought that if i made it happy then it wouldn't hurt us" "but now i see that you'll never be happy" its eerily similar to Ralsei, in that he believes he can convince all of his enemies to stop fighting by treating them kindly. My personal theory for a while was that Ralsei knows about the player and is trying his best to keep us happy by treating us as politely as he can, in the hope that we will want to play pacifist as well. that's why he doesn't object to fighting Darkners, he doesn't want to annoy us, since he thinks that will get us to not like him.
41:41 i thought he was jokeing here, mostly due to his expression, sure i think hes trying to get susie and kris to do their homework, i dont think he was serious about actually banishing them
yeah, bro is literally looking at them like ">:3". i am autistic, so i guess what do i know, but that felt like a severe misreading of the tone there even to me.
@@matts9871 yeah im absolutely awful at reading tone, especially over text, but ive never thought anyone using the ">:3" emoticon was genuinely angry. the ":3" face is just a little too goofy for it to be taken seriously lol
Something that supports Ralsei just repeating what he’s told by his mentor without having a full understanding of it is that when talking about TP ( 17:57 ), he references “the big orange bar on the left” but does so at a point where you might have no TP, which would make the bar entirely red. Since he’s so thorough with his lesson, missing the color of the TP bar would support the idea that he can’t actually see it, but has simply heard a description of it by someone else.
18:00 it’s important to note that in other sections of deltarune, full textboxes that are between brackets are inner monologue (or whispering/aside conversation), that Kris can’t hear. an example of this is in the snowgrave route, where the player can reply “it’s weird” or “it’s normal” (or something like that) to noelles inner monologue about stepping off a switch and killing kris. she is then surprised that “kris” could hear them, despite noelle saying it in her head. so perhaps it wasn’t a slip-up at all. perhaps the “mentor” told ralsei that certain sections of his inner monologue/whispers kris can’t hear can still be heard by the player (or something idk) edit: changed some things, thanks oops-you-messed-up
what about the scene after the Spamton NEO fight ? Susie and Ralsei both speak in full bracket textboxes so are they just telepathic now ?? Is their bond _THAT_ strong now ???
@@oops14314 that’s true. I forgot that brackets can also indicate whispering or conversation that kris would not be able to hear. in this case that would be ralsei and susie whispering/talking quietly to each other so that kris could not hear? either way, it seems the player is able to hear things that kris cannot.
59:50 Something else extremely interesting about this scene to me is that it ends with him thinking to himself "* (Oh well, as long as Susie's happy... right?)"; so far in this route he recognizes that something has gone very wrong, but Susie's happy, so surely everything's still alright. I'm curious how he will react when he can't rationalize with this anymore.
notes as i'm watching: 1. the mentor theory is interesting, i can get behind it 2. imo the creation of dark fountains doesn't necessarily mean the very beginning of the existence of the characters in it, it might just be that these dark worlds already existed for a period before the existence of the opening from the light world to the dark world. if ralsei had a mentor, it would be very hard to believe he was created, taught, and able to rehearse (for an assumedly long period of time) all of the things he currently knows in a matter of days or even hours; not saying i don't think he's young, he very much is, but maybe not days? i mean, in chapter 2, the plug characters mention how queen had been in control for the longest time and then went haywire, but the entrance to the dark world only appeared like a day after the supply closet entrance did. if it was there the entire time, someone would have discovered it by then. or Maybe the passage of time in the dark world is warped at creation and their stories and lives are already fleshed out mere seconds after the opening of the fountain and then time progresses "normally" (our normal) from there as the lightners enter, or something else entirely. maybe this detail is just a nitpick of mine 3. what about the jigsaw characters and the tutorial dojo? isn't this also "forbidden knowledge" that they shouldn't know about? and what about the virovirokun that had to help kris explain to noelle how battles worked? i don't think battle mechanics knowledge is specific to ralsei, it may just be common knowledge to all darkners 4. not sure about ralsei knowing he looks like asriel, i think it's just general self consciousness at not being experienced wtih social interactions 5. the possessive tendencies may just be out of naivety and willingness to fulfill the prophecy. if he was created solely for the purposes of the prophecy, told that the fate of the world relies on the prophecy's fulfillment and the success of the heroes, naturally he would want the prophesized heroes to follow the orders he's giving that he was also given. he described the direness of the situation in the legend, how the world would go into ruin. 6. i didn't even notice the turn to kris detail. that's interesting 7. that thing about 5 is so weird and interesting... that's cool, kudos 8. 49:47 awwwwww 9. kinda nitpick - i don't think ralsei was accusing susie (or anyone for that matter), he was just asking what happened in there because the cutscene is supposed to play but it doesn't but he wants the player to know so he just asks susie to explain so that the player is "caught up", which is the purpose of these "susie's pov" cutscenes. these are just my opinions overall, decent video. i was scared of watching this at first because people i see talk about ralsei as a character commonly mischaracterize him, but this video did not disappoint.
Dang now that you mention it the whole thing with the puzzle characters doing tutorials and RK doing puzzles would support mechanics of video games being common knowledge in the dark world. I'm still stuck on his vivid recollection of where the old classroom was. That turn is crazy I actually didn't notice it until subsequent playthroughs myself.
I think the reason ralsei doesn't critisize kris so heavily is becaeuse of the player having direct control over them wich could be why he is more pacife towards kris becaeuse he kinda understands that not everything they do is under their control while susie is her own person wich could mean that every decision is full 100% hers while kris not also the reason kris doesn't have much of a choice could be why when kris can still say something in a tone wich ralsei and susie can understand their true feelings if there is no such thing they agree with the player this shown with after the spamton neo fight and when sussie ask who would kris like to go with to the fair. I think the reason ralsei is a bit dismisive after the spamton neo fight is becaeuse he also pocceses a shadow fragment wich could ruin the friendship he made in his eyes also the explenation for the turning upwards could also be him trying to talk to the player in a more seamless and less suspicious way becaeuse if he where looking down sussie would question why he turned down in the middle of a conversasiion and the words still being adioble to her the way he lookes at kris but actually looking at the soul that is in their body. I wonder what will hapen when he finds out that kris made the chapter 3 dark world.
I feel like Deltarune theory/analysis videos have gotten pretty dry recently and this video is the spellbreaker. Excellent analysis. Some of the things were stretches but it seems like you find the little things as significant as I do, I appreciate that. Keep it up!!!
what if Ralsei's mentor is Dess and he casually mentions her by name and Noelle "Ol' Neller" holidaygirl1225 Holiday herself goes wacko that would be funny i think
17:50 also from Kris's perspective, the TP bar would be over their right shoulder. Ralsei saying the bar to left means he absolutely meant it from our perspective. I think Ralsei will end up not being malicious, but I agree with your point about him subtly talking down to Susie. He does this a bit in chapter 2 as well to other characters. Hes a really interesting character overall im so interested to see what his whole deal is
ralsei also addresses the player directly in the beginning of chapter two, where he tells Kris to "go to the classroom to the east" to get all the chapter 1 darkners. there's literally no point for him to specify "To the East" except for the player, where from our perspective thats where the classroom would be o.o
In fairness, that could be to the east of the closet in-universe, too. And there seems to be another classroom to the west, so the distinction makes sense. What makes less sense is that Ralsei points out the TP bar is "to the left" which is definitely only true for the player.
Ralsei could’ve also used left/right but that could’ve confused the player since when Kris exits the dark world they’re facing the player so Kris’s right is not our right
27:30 This is the sort of thing that's very hard to read in text I think. Your interpretation of Ralsei talking down to Susie is an entirely valid one, but I more got the impression that he was trying to remind Susie of his request in a way that politely gave Susie an opening to save face. Instead of saying "Hey, you didn't listen to me before, we should avoid fighting" which would be confrontational, he offers a non-confrontational out while still repeating the request, while either being confused or upset about her not following it before (again, hard to say for certain in text, even his sprite could be interpreted either way there I think).
I've got a third interpretation of Ralsei making rooms for Susie and Kris - Ralsei either knows or suspects that some bad stuff is going to go down in the Light World in the near future, and that Kris and/or Susie are going to need a place to stay. While Susie has obvious reasons, there's also some hints that Kris may have also in the future, like Spamton mentioning them "crying in a broken home". Whether this is because of Dark World/Roaring reasons or something more mundane, who knows, but it'd *probably* happen in both the Normal and Wierd Routes, as Ralsei has rooms ready either way.
Yeah the Broken home likely means Toriel and Asgore's divorce, or.... it could be Noelle's home, dealing with the aftermath of what is likely Rudy's death that utterly breaks Noelle. I can see a darkworld of her home being possible, and during it, the emotions are brought up full front and center in all their uglyness, or no dark world but still emotions are there while in the now second broken home in town.
i was surprised that you weren't as confident in the possessive ralsei reading. i think it makes perfect sense since, as you said these are his first friends and his first experience with friendship, along with the possibility that he'll lose his purpose after the prophecy is fulfilled. maybe he's afraid of living in isolation so he's already started planning for them to live with him. anyway, amazing video, keep up the good work!
Completely unrelated but all I could think of while you were talking about the kid named 5 was this: "But you are a number: CT-5555." "No, I am Fives, call me Fives!" "But 5 is a number." "No, not 5. Fives!"
I love how this exchange shows that despite the clones all being biologically identical and having numbers for legal names, they have identities of their own, names they've chosen, that are unique to them and no other clone.
Idle thought: What if, in the Certified Bad End Route, Ralsei attempts to stop The Player by initiating The Roaring himself? Maybe something along the lines of "Isn't this basically what you've been working towards this whole time, anyway? Why should you care about us now, %playername? You haven't before."
I can see that happen, and a full conflict between Player and Kris is bound to happen in that route. Which.... there is no way to sugarcoat it, it's gonna be DEEP and fucked up!
Deltarune fans going insane waiting for the next chapter. In all seriousness, this series is really good. I'm truly in awe of the size of the task you've made for yourself, but damn thes videos are good.
The snoopy comparison was crazy. I love that end statement you made “Charlie didn’t care that Snoopy was a ‘used’ dog and I don’t think Toriel would either.”
Ralsei saying to look at the bar on the left is also notable for being in brackets which is usually used to show internal thoughts. most notable during snowgrave when you can make Kris respond to Noelles internal thoughts which confuses her. it would make sense considering we can hear his thoughts but not kris so it might be a way to get the information to us without confusing kris.
42:46 Secret third option (my headcanon): whatever ralsei's light world object is - is something Kris carries around with them Possibly a gift from Asriel
Aight so I've just realized that boss monsters make their children's names a combination of their own. I think ralsei is kris' old desire to be like asriel and be a part of the dreemurs. He's as much a mirror to asriel as he is to kris. if you're right about him being a drawing he'd be hiding his face because kris would recognize in a second the exact drawing he descended from. My guess is that we're going to learn that there was a time where kris wanted to be what ralsei is right now and that this old heartache in physical form is what's causing them so much confusion about him.
Yeah, I also think Ralsei will be either the final boss or pre-final if we get to Gaster. I can imagine that in the Snowgrave version, we'll eventually just break into Ralsei's world to close his fountain. And he'll naturally fight us... along with all the darkners we recruited for him. Ralsei isn't really what we see him as. He's just dedicated himself to playing this specific role for us in this "prophecy". And he doesn't seem like "final boss" material to me. He's too superficial. Too naive and clearly being manipulated by the "prophecy". But I think a confrontation with him is inevitable if we want to disrupt the "status quo" he represents and get to the manipulator behind him.
I accept the clown hat if I’m jumping the gun (considering it’s an hour long video and I’m just starting) but I think Ralsei looking like a young Asriel is *more* proof he’s Kris’ old horns. I think the context of why they wore the horns is important: to fit in with the Dreemurrs. Kris asked as a kid when their horns would grow in, and wore the devil horns in place of goat horns. So it’s not surprising to me that in the Dark World, they would take the form of the only goat child Kris would have reference for.
I feel that the scene where he mentions how long he’s waiting is a nod to how long of a time gap IRL there was between chapters one and two releasing. 😮
I WAS WAITING AND WAITING FOR THIS ONE! you're my favorite UA-camr The point of the soul is kindness, his clothes are green, right? and yeah he is kind, it makes sense
Honestly, the fact that Ralsei goes dead serious when talking about the Roaring caught me off guard. I'm sure that he is the sole survivor of the previous Roaring, and Castle Town and the area around it is built over the corpse of a Titan, or possibly a alive, albeit dormant Titan. Or it could be built over multiple Titans, dead or alive.
27:05 Not quite correct here; Susie was wholly absent for the scene where Ralsei explained that the Kris could bring a better ending by befriending everyone, which was the scene right in front of the Great Door.
I really like the narration, the way you speak is very calm and feels relaxing. Just one thing, could you see that the volume changes are less abrupt? at 21:30 with the explanation of BPM the difference between the volume of the voice and the music was very wide
Ralsei's mentor: bro its okay, you can just say Gaster im kidding though, this video was wonderful, Ralsei is a really fun and complicated character to me, im really exited to see where he goes next. also i think your light vs dark analysis is really insightful
This video is great so far, butone thing is that when you say darkness with forbidden knowledge are incredibly strong, citing jevil and spamton, i jabe to say that normal spamton, before becoming neo, is actually quite weak. Hr has 600 hp and 8 attack power, which is only twice as much hp as a single switching and less attack power than one. Lore wise, he can't just get the body himself b3cause the swatchlings would easily defeat him together. Jevil is definitely strong, and the point about ralseis hidden power is good too, but i don't think simply having this knowledge makes you strong
I didn't see Susie and Noelle on ferris wheel on my first playthrough. I thought I don't need to peep on Susie, Kris and Ralsei are entertaining on their own. Wonder if that will have consequences, or if there will be more moments that I can skip.
i loveee character analyses i eat this sht right up!! totally agree on ralsei having had a mentor, and his eventual arc establishing his own identity. and a few other facts brought up here (the sprite turn when talking about the new fountain, the 5 connection) i had no idea about!! love the analysis of his relationship with kris too. saw this somewhere else but the fact ralsei says the prophecy was "foretold by time and space," and gaster was "shattered across time and space," is very, very--u get it. i think basic game mechanics are common knowledge in the dark worlds (the battle tutorial with noelle, the puzzle masters, lancer's sign referencing the menu). i think it's probably diegetic in ways similar to undertale's mechanics BUT i do think the further knowledge that their world is fake/a game isn't common knowledge, necessarily. given that specific worldview is brought up as unusual by seam, and seemed to play a role in spamton/jevil's spirals. so i think ralsei still has some red flag behaviour in how he speaks to the _player_ specifically. love to rotate him in my mind. how is the guy coping!! also the darkners' histories don't necessarily line up with their fountains/world's age in the light world. there's probably some spacetime shenanigans happening, or last thursdayism, or some inanimate existence that's made available with the fountains' creation, or something. having said that, ralsei _is_ uniquely naive and childlike. maybe from being alone (sans mentor) his whole life? or because he's maybe based off kris' childhood horns?
so I'm like 7 minutes in, and I've never played either game (just watched some videos, so I lack substantial context), but my immediate thought about Ralsei the second you brought up the formation of the Darkners was that Ralsei's inanimate "object" was... Kris's brother's dead body. Like he's dead but the family doesn't know that yet. Hence his pragmatic knowledge and focus on Kris
I don't think I even want to imagine it How creepy and uncomfortable it would be And would take this uncomfortable feeling that Kris sometimes seems to have to a whole new level And I'm pretty sure this will mix pretty well with my Snowgrave nightmares QvQ Interesting theory Worth a fanfic for sure But I don't think this is how the Dark World works And I really hope I'm correct with this one
43:45 interesting theory, but it’s also nearly impossible for Kris to have done so, since after we seal this dark fountain, we see berdly and Noelle with their stuff on the library table (unless I’m making that up, in which case nevermind). They started studying then the dark world got opened.
The thing about "ralsei only being weeks old-" dark worlds are created with their entire history already in place, based on the physical alterations to the space in the light world. So, from Ralsei's perspective, he HAS been waiting for a very long time- an unused inanimate object sitting forgotten in the supply closet. We see the same phenomenon with the Cyber World, with one example being Queen and King having a whole relationship history, including probably a divorce or breakup, despite the cyber world not existing the day prior.
1:00:25 I just realized I’d heard says “ your choices matter it might be to us and not Kris, meaning he believes the players choices matter but not Kris . [ Thu 2:52pm 4/11/2024 ]
Love the video! Great analysis! You make a great case for Ralsei being only days old, and him having some form of mentor is something that I've always *felt* but never articulated, instead jumping straight to "he must know Gaster somehow" because that's the only mentor we currently know who would be able to provide him the story outline. One tiny nitpick: 59:16 What do you mean by "audible" in these two sentences? Did you mean "oddity"?
Sorry, sometimes when I'm writing I try to put in words or phrases that are not normally used. An "audible" is a term used in American Football which describes a change in the play right before the quarterback says go. It's like a change in plans right before the plan goes into motion. I used the term here because it's a change in the course of events right before the queen boss fight which changes the outcome of the queen boss fight.
About the red horn thing, the cyber world darkners don't necessarily match with their irl counterparts (otherwise 90% of them would be text or rectangles) so maybe it could be that Kris's associations with the red horns and being like his brother led to ralsei being not a amalgamate of red spikes? Idk
Time passes VERY differently in dark worlds. From what we know, the cyberworld only was formed the night before chapter 2, and yet theres already darkners that know other darkners from other worlds and a civilization. If the supply closet was weeks old, then it could have been years. In the normal world, Ralsei is only weeks old, but in the dark world, Ralsei is probably hundreds of years old.
I have a theory/observation that I’ve made about the prophecy/Ralsei, and I’ve been waiting for your take on Ralsei to share it! (I’m going to apologize beforehand for how *long* this is and if this sounds like I’m rambling or maybe some things just don’t make sense 😅 sorry!) My observation about the prophecy is this: The prophecy talks about how “if this harmony (between light and dark) were to shatter, a terrible calamity (the roaring) would occur” And then it basically references the roaring and how if it happens, the world will be destroyed. *But!* right after this, it says “*Only then*, shining with hope, three heroes appear at worlds edge” “*Only they* can seal the fountains, and banish the angels heaven” “*Only then* will balance be restored, and the world saved from destruction.” Which, in my own interpretation of the prophecy and what it shows, it sounds like *to me* that either we’re supposed to show up *only when* the roaring happens, or, it sounds like the roaring *can be stopped* even when it happens, and it’s not just the end of the world like Ralsei is making it out to be. (Although, aside from this, I will say that I know Toby said (somewhere) that the prophecy is supposed to resemble something that has been translated over and over again from several different languages and back again, *but* I still think it’s odd how despite that, it still says several “Only” statements *three times in a row* regarding *when, who, and how* things happen, which still feels very intentional in my opinion.) So, my question is, *Why does Ralsei want us to prevent the roaring so bad?* I mean, objectively I get *why* he wouldn’t want the world to end, but If the prophecy/legend (imo) implies a hopeful outcome to an otherwise hopeless scenario by portraying us as the heroes swooping in to save the day, then why portray it as something that *can’t* be fixed like he does in chapter 2? (Unless it’s him in a meta sense trying not to have us finish the game too early?) Seam even says: “*One day soon… You too, will begin to realize the futility of your actions. At that time, feel free to come back here. I’ll make you tea… and we can toast… to the end of the world!*” *“The futility of your actions”* bit could be seam trying to tell us that preventing the roaring is a lost cause, because it’s just going to happen anyway, but I also feel like it’s something that *needs* to happen if we’re really going to be heroes and save the world. Not to mention Ralsei’s ‘Toxic Positivity’ being at play with him avoiding certain situations and whatnot works with this as well, so it would make sense for him to avoid something “bad” like the roaring even if things would still be ok in the end, I mean, it’s about *Hope*, right? Does he just… not have that, or…? I can see it being that maybe at one point, when the storage closet fountain was first created, maybe (Gaster and/or the knight) talked to Ralsei and told him that maybe he could find a loophole to help his friends, and so when Ralsei talks to Kris, he tells them that they need to keep making dark fountains so that they as a group can continue to close them while reaping the benefits, that way, in this ideal situation, Ralsei can gain subjects, grow his kingdom and keep his friends safe (have his cake and eat it too), he knows that Susie and Kris will be happy while thinking that they’re actually fulfilling the prophecy, while not knowing that they’re just delaying the inevitable, and he knows *the player especially* will be *happy* with this continuous cycle of fun (like the replay-ability in a video game). One small note, before Kris and Susie leave to go do their project, once Susie leaves, Ralsei says to Kris *as soon as she’s gone*: “*Good luck today, Kris. See you soon!*” Now, *why* would he say ‘see you soon’ if he *didn’t already know* that there was a dark fountain in the library? Now, I’m not saying any of this ‘cracks the code’ or answers anything or whatever, but i think it makes sense! (At least I hope so, anyway 😅)
One last thing! I just *have* to talk about Ralsei’s sweepstakes page! On his sweepstakes page, it says the following: [Dress him up!!] IN THIS ONE-OF-A-KIND [nurse costume $9.99] AND HE WILL MAKE YOUR [boo-boos] GO [bye-bye]! BUY NOW AND IN OUR [Specil Deal], HE WILL ALSO MAKE YOUR [baa baas] GO [bo bo]!!!!! Now, at first I was like “what does that even mean??” But then it clicked! *Its nursery rhymes*. (*Baa baa*) Baa Baa black sheep. (Sheep) a person who is too easily influenced or led. (Black sheep) a member of a family or group who is regarded as a disgrace to it. Baa baa black sheep, have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full. (*Bo Bo*) Little Bo-Peep who *lost* her sheep, And can't tell where to find them; Leave them alone, and they'll come home, Bringing their tails behind them.(apparently in a literal sense in the story) In another version of the story, it is actually the bellwether (the leader sheep/ram of a flock with a bell around its neck) that leads the flock away and gets them lost. What’s with all this *sheep* imagery?? And why are *we* the sheep? This also ties in with Ralsei’s *pacify* spell, him singing a *lullaby*, putting opponents to *sleep*. (You know what some people do to fall asleep? *They count sheep!*) Idk, I just think it’s all super weird, considering the game’s theme about *dreams* and *sleeping* and whatnot.
That stuff about the nursery rhymes is pretty interesting, maybe it's a literal meaning. Ba ba black sheep (Ralsei use to be covered in black shadows) To Bo Bo Little bo peeps sheep were white. Ralsei takes off his hat to reveal his white fur. Regarding the prophecy, I never thought about the wording that way. It that's the case, then that would mean that the heroes are suppose to be there when the roaring happens. Which like you mentioned with Seam may be inevitable. Ralsei Having this information if be another supporting point for Ralsei having a script, or having knowledge of set events If he doesn't want the roaring to happen yet. That thing you mentioned where Toby said the prophecy was something translated several times has me thinking this Prophecy is tied to the Religion where they worship the angel in Castletown. I can't say I remember Toby saying that; but if it's true then I would say it sounds like a parallels to most religions. Fun fact the story of how Eve was created changes based on what translation of the Bible you are reading. In early stages of this video I had an entire section planed that would talk about religious parallels and I had a theory that the angel never really existed. I eventually decided to Omit it because it wasn't directly about Ralsei, it was a little off topic and the negatives outweighed the positives. All interesting points thanks for watching. :)
@@XDNighthawkXD Aww you’re welcome! ☺️ I’ve also been thinking about the prophecy from a religious perspective, like how the Bible has been translated over and over again for centuries, but really the only thing that changes its meaning is the people who want a certain message to be told or what have you. Like, either Ralsei is *purposefully* portraying the roaring as something bad that needs to be avoided in order to have us do what he wants instead of something inevitable but with a hopeful outcome, with good intentions or not, *or* he genuinely thinks that the roaring is something bad that has to be avoided at all costs and needs us to keep it at bay, otherwise everything will be destroyed, It all has to do with interpretation. Maybe it could be related to how despite the lightners religion about the angel not having a concept of sin or confession, asriel still somehow believed in it enough to beg father Alvin for forgiveness over a video game, and how if Ralsei is in any way connected to Asriel, he does show signs of having a concept of sin and repentance especially. Which altogether is *really weird.*
There is a lot to say about Ralsei. First, the most obvious point, his comparaison to Asriel. I mean, just like Deltarune is an anagram of Undertale (or, considering the timeline in Toby's mind, the other way around), Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel, just how Kriss is a close call to Frisk. They both have an important role in their own prophecy, they look similar... Second, it's the fact that Ralsei is living in a cold and lonely world. For all we've seen so far, until Lancer comes up, there was no one here. It would make sense since he's located in a closet, compared to the abandoned classroom of Gerson or the library. But, funny enough, while other darkners, or Lancer party at least, turned to stone when living their home, it doesn't happen to Ralsei. Twice. On the other hand, his world can give darkners a home, even transforming under their influence. On another note, we have no idea how Ralsei was able to hop from his world to the library. As far as we know, he didn't hide in our pockets when we left, but here he is still. And, funny enough, he is including in the lighteners role by Jevil, lines about him being the only one free in Lancer's role. There is no way to know how long his world was made, or by who. Maybe his dark world is different from the others, like, the original one, with a purest form of darkness at its core. And we don't know how he's aware of the Roaring and such. Queen surely didn't, and neither did King. So, it might be what his creator told him, or what was pushed into this creation. Or, maybe Ralsei himself made contact with the Knigh but doesn't realize it. It would be very interesting if we had to fight him as some point, since he has the same type of knowledge as Jevil and Spamton. And if he's really the only one in his world, it would be logical for the knight to pass that knowledge onto him, no matter if he's his creator or not. And, the other interesting supposition if that Ralsei is wrong about the Roaring and everything else. Maybe he does have a secret agenda and is misleading us into sealing the other foutains. Or maybe he doesn't get the trick. After all, why would his world be more important than the others, if he wasn't the original or made by someone else ? After all, it seems Kriss is responsible for the dark world in chapter 3, assuming that was Kriss intend to begin with. Maybe the Roaring is a good thing, or it doesn't matter at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if sealing the foutains is going to do more bad than good overall.
Great vid! I think Ralsei knows more than what he lets on. I had a question about the tunnel of love section: do you think Ralsei is more talking to Kris or the player?
What if Ralsei is Kris' monster-sona, He's what Kris wanted/expected to look like so they could fit into the monster society and their family. I wonder if Kris hates having a human soul..
this might not be the best place to note this, but I feel like there is inexplicably SO MANY things destiny 2 shares in common with deltarune. First off, the entire concept of light and dark, which actually there are very few things in common there, but also the concept of sword logic from d2 in deltarune (both jevil and spamton become weapons for you to use at the end of their fights) and also I saw in a video mentioning deepness with the darkness in deltarune, which "The deep" Is a VERY important part of the darkness in d2.
10:58 a very blatant way to get an answer to that is to just look at non ralsei reactions for his info. -(ralsei)Push boxes with [Z] -(susie)Who the hell is Z? -(susie) remember ralsei said something about running with [X] -(ralsei) I juat remembered, you can hold all sorts of items at storage at your save point -(susie) sounds like some useful information
The way Ralsei reacts to not being able to do the meditation thing really reminds me of the Genocide Route and how much less story it has and how much more boring it is
45:01 While this is an interesting detail, I would still think that this is for the sake of variety in the cutscene, along with conveying the idea that Ralsei is passively displeased with the development.
another thing i like to keep in mind whenever something is called "fun" in some way, is that theres that sneaky little fun value connected to gaster/darkness.....
I have a little silly theory that Ralsei is an amalgamation of Kris's trauma. Ralsei is a boss monster, and the anagram of his name is Asriel. He lacks proper communication skills and can be a hypocrite, like Asgore and Toriel. He's also against violence, until the player choses to do violence. Toriel is against Kris skipping school, unless it's Kris choosing to hang out with friends. Ralsei was lonely, and still is when not around specific people, even if other non specific people are around him. Ralsei shows signs of trauma when warning about the roaring, similar to how kids seem to be afraid of the bunker due to what Kris said. Ralsei wants to obey the player, and loves the player, which can be seen as Kris not knowing how to feel about us - since we appeared, they get to go on adventures, and gain friends! But also they barely have any control in their life. Ralsei also can be what Kris thinks other want them to be - a cisgender, boss monster, who's cute and nice despite being socially awkward. Also I think Ralsei kinda... *Is* partially the roaring? The symbols of the titans were all around the walls before castle town. Ralsei seems to have so much knowledge about the light world, maybe because they patrially represent everything that traumatized Kris? Could explain why Ralsei tea heals Kris the least
I think the unused manual is worth a look. Not because it's paired well with the game, but because it ISN"T. Think a bit on what that manual WOULD work well with, and we might get a clue to what ralse actually IS. Perhaps a figurine from a game that the manual is actually accurate for?
I think Ralsei is the real Kris in the dark world. It explains why they can travel to separate worlds without turning to stone. Its also implied a level of hero worship for Asriel by Kris and the fact that its an anagram and the appearance being very similar is another piece of evidence. WE control Kris who keeps ripping us out meaning they're aware of our presence and externalizes themself as their hero to have an impact on what happens. If our instinct is violence, then we aren't Kris, they strive for peace. Its why they befriend Susie despite how much she mocks them. In the weird route, Ralsei isn't there, its just us and Noelle. It also explains why they blush when you get in the right position to them, they see the us trying to connect to them and how they want to see us play out the story. Just my thoughts.
Thought I'd try something different with the gmod visuals. Map is in the description. Let me know if it's Weird/jarring or if it fits. I know a lot of people wanted Noelle next; but I had to do them in order. Good news is Noelle script is already done and recording begins today so it shouldn't take as long as the Ralsei video took.
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If you think about it, Kris at the time of wearing the red horned headband, thought he was going to look like a younger Asriel, just like ralsie so i mean..
I really like the sprites on the 3D backgrounds, but the shots with the camera moving feel kinda roblox-like if that makes sense.
don,t remember what video it was but it was a recent one that said that the darkners are not the object but are just linked by them.this would explain how even people who don,t have otherwordly knowledge like jevil and spamton still know of people from other dark worlds.
I liked it! The shot of the castle looked cool, and ralsei walking in the light world was suitably funny.
Legend says only the GUN can seal the fountains with its REVERSE HEALING.
Then on the world's edge three heroes appear...
a human, a monster, and
Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White and Monthy Python and The Holy Grail's Black Knight, and Bennito Mussolini, and the Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie, RoboCop, the Terminator, Captain Kirk and Darth Vader, Lo Pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodor Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Oc and Hulk Hogan
@@Kyumifun Only these people who's amount I didn't count can acquire the GUN and save ZA WARUDO.
I still find it funny how this overused joke managed to become top comment
@@RandomDude1487 Tbf that joke is a relic of the past at this point
SOMEONE GET CLOVER
Ralsei: I guess this really was a Deltarune ^-^
Susie: w-who are you talking to??
Ralsei: *kubrick stares at the player*
Ralsei in Chapter 2: "Be careful, I have a feeling we've fallen into *turns towards the player* A Cyber's World!"
@Colddirector ralsei: i guess the true friends were- *turns towards player* the *deltarunes* we made along the way! :)
this is so stupid and i love it
I figured the tutorial line “have you done this before?” Was a reference to having played Undertale
Yeah me too. I read it as a call-back to what Flowey would say if you dodged all his 'friendliness pellets' repeatedly at the start of Undertale, though I do also think Nighthawk's analysis makes sense in the the context of Deltarune itself
I think it can be both: playing UT first, and then replaying DR.
Personally, the way he says "I suppose you missed what I said earlier" gives me the impression that he doesn't have a very high opinion of himself. Like "I suppose that she missed what I said because what I have to say isn't worth listening to".
But that's also just my interpretation.
yeah i agree. i have thought that ralsei's passive aggressive lines are more a result of his ridiculously low self worth and his constant formality rather than actual aggression. like i read "i suppose you missed what i said earlier...." as just super insecure not like a pointed email from your boss lmao
i thought since he's so nice, and thinks that the only way to make friends is to be as nice as possible, he didn't know how to express when he has negative feedback to share
i agree. especially given his concerning acceptance in regards to being hurt. low self esteem can be one reason as to why someone doesnt stand up for themselves, and it seems like he does not have a very high self esteem at all.
About the orange bar, that's not the only time info for us is communicated, when seam tells how to pronounce his name. Diagetically there would be no reason to do that
to me it seems like an non-directly-confrontational way to bring it up to her. like a way to soften his repetition so she doesn't take it the wrong way.
I have a VERY strong feeling that the reason Ralsei is being so nice and forgiving towards Kris is because Ralsei knows what we (the player) are capable of, and knows that Kris is the vessel of our actions. Maybe
Wouldn’t want someone to cause another snowgrave incident… but with Ralsei as the one getting frozen =)
@@doxthefox_ Tori's probably going to be the next one we manipulate - probably using fatal fire magic and hurting/killing Undyne in the process?
@@Colddirector probably
@@Colddirector ooh, if that happens, maybe we could see some reference to Undyne’s determination
I mean, if you knew someone might be a serial killer with zero scruples and you had to work with this person a ton, you'd probably try to stay on their good side.
I find it incredibly interesting how Ralsei will bend over backwards to accommodate what the player wants to do, even if it's the exact opposite of what he suggested, yet when Susie dares to do the same thing, that's when he draws the line. I was thinking about how that scene where Ralsei calls out Susie after K. Round would play out if up until that point you had been playing an entirely violent run. It really shows how hypocritical Ralsei is.
Susie calls Ralsei out on that too in chapter 2, with "Why does Kris get to choose all the time?" or something to that effect, and then she just grabs up Ralsei and the two leave to do whatever; during that time it is assumed Ralsei was able to teach Susie healing magic
To Ralsei, following the script is most important. Susie not listening isn't part of that.
The player doing what they want is.
I'm SO glad you brought up Ralsei expecting Susie (and others) to do what he says just because he said it with that chapter 1 scene. Ralsei's bossiness is something I think people WILDLY overlook, he's sometimes so one-track-minded that he just doesn't consider any options or possibilities besides the one he assumes himself. This can def be tied to the absolute chokehold that the prophecy has on him and isn't necessarily a tell of his personality or character, like you said he just has an idea of how things should be and expects everybody to act accordingly. This is shown when he tells Berdly and the others not to create another fountain too, I've always found the wording of "What in the world are you all doing?" SO interesting. The way he acts like they're all being ridiculous. He's so.......... Ralsei Deltarune..........
yeah it’s my interpretation that the prophecy rules his life/mind so much that he forgets people might act outside of what is “supposed” to happen. like in snowgrave when kris/the player doesn’t want to snoop into noelle and susie’s convo and he’s like … don’t u wanna go in
yeah, i think hes well-intentioned, but is just _so_ convinced of his purpose, he doesnt realize theres way more to life than just...doing what youre "supposed" to. i get the feeling thats where most of his character development is going to be, given how in chapter two he talks about how hes realizing friendship isnt what he thought it was.
Wait he's actually so me, except with like academics, I no longer like get upset at people for not doing the reading/studying or whatever just cause it's so drilled in my mind as the right and important thing, at least outwardly, but I still have a hard time understanding why not (obviously I get illnesses, mental or physical and other major forces),genuinely giving me much to reflect about
@@sandsandlovesand3181 wait I've realised something much more interesting than my previous comment. According to what we know, Asriel was super religious, like praying to the angel all the time. What if that's another parallel between them
A random fan theory I’ve had for years about undertale is that “the one who talks with hands” that Frisk wasn’t supposed to trust didn’t mean Gaster but actually meant the player.
ooh that's a really interesting idea!
because we use our hands to give commands to Frisk
thats an interesting idea, but that line specifically said "the MAN who speaks in hands" which feels a little too...well, specific.
@@bumbabees that’s true it’s just a thought which has been stuck in my head for years
@@ProjectEchoshadow thats fair! its still an interesting idea, like i said. id never thought about it that way before but i quite like it :)
@@ProjectEchoshadow "Man" could also refer to just a human in general, although that definition is a bit outdated and doesn't seem like Toby's intent.
I think ralsei is probably the red horns, if this is a weathered accessory from long ago red would change to a lighter pink hue, to me it’s obvious ralsei as an object understands Kris’ desire to be similar to all the monsters around them and similar to their brother whom everyone likes and talks about the horns as an object represent their desire, this is why ralsei is so comforting towards kris since they have a lot of knowledge on what kris wanted as a young child, In fact this plays further into Ralseis child like naivety, toriel acts like kris hasn’t worn those horns for a while, maybe kris stopped wearing the horns as they grew up and realised that their desire to be like the monsters around them physically is impossible, since the horns weren’t used passed kris’ early childhood Ralseis only has knowledge on what Kris wanted as a child, I do think Kris wants to be like their peers and family currently but not to the point that they could have monster features.
I think ralsei is obviously a character born from Kris’ liking of their brother but I also think people ignore the parallels Ralsei has to Kris’ mother Toriel, both how they act as a Tutorial much like undertale but also how Ralsei acts as a comfort towards Kris much like a mother with their child, Ralsei while obviously a boy has a lot of feminine traits to them like the pink colour that could be linked to femininity and the aforementioned motherly personality, I also think there’s a bit of Asgore in there what with all the hugging that comes up multiple times with Ralsei and how the first thing Asgore does when meeting Kris is hug them, sure Ralseis name is an anagram for Asriel but Asriel as a name is a mixture or Toriel and Asgore, Ralsei being all jumbled shows how he is a mixture of Kris’ whole family, Ralsei has no clue who he is because he’s a mixture of multiple people, not only that but a warped perception of people from a young child. This is why I think Ralsei’s story will be him gaining individuality I think we see this in chapter 2 as Susie and him hang out without Kris, which may have birthed the idea to be an individual not needing to be tethered to Kris to have purpose.
it being the horns from a narrative perspective makes very much sense, but how is ralsei moving between worlds then? does kris keep the horns somewhere hidden? (theyd be visible if kris wears them i think)
@@Francu8942My response is I don’t know and I don’t think anyone else can realistically answer that question with the information we have now, but I also think people in the deltarune community are obsessed with questions that don’t have answers (at least currently) people are so obsessed with the tiny details that their ignoring the words and imagery in front of them, think about it, what would knowing how Ralsei moves between dark worlds do?
Are the horns ever brought up in mandatory dialogue? I think so far everything that mentions them is missable, and I think it's unlikely that Ralsei will end up being an object that the player may never have heard of before, especially one as specific as that. Then again, with Toriel and potentially the Dreemurr household in chapter 3 (assuming it isn't just a TV world) there's still time for them to make their main-story debut, but if they don't get mentioned there then I think it'll end up being pretty unlikely. I do like the narrative significance of the horns and I think they would work well, but so far they're missing some basic building blocks of a good reveal.
@@android19willpwn Honestly I think it would be based to have the player put effort into answering the questions they may have
@@ilikegoblo4665 there's a difference between "answering questions" and "having basic context for an essential reveal"
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I will point out that lines like "Now I don't have to sleep in a hole anymore." and "You Slept Curled Up On A Dirty Throne Every Day" indicate that darkners do *usually* follow a roughly-normal sleep schedule.
Re: Ralsei getting to the library, I think people are really discounting the possibility of the town having underground tunnels
It is not that uncommon for towns in the US with older buildings to have disused bomb shelters under the more important places in the city, and even for them to be connected by tunnels. There’s some under my old high school actually that connect to the nearby middle school, they’re pretty much only used by stagecraft for storage now.
Idk, the idea of there being a tunnel system that connects the school, the library, the church, city hall, the hospital, and the bunker is just VERY exciting to me and not actually *that* far out there all things considered
Yes, it's true that there could be underground tunnels in Hometown, but would that help Ralsei? If I am remembering correctly, each Dark World is its own separate "island" in a way, and the dark fountains in Castle town and the Card Castle just happen to be close enough to be connected via the door Ralsei closes. I just question if the dark fountain in the library is close enough to the dark fountain in Castle town for it to be possible for them to connect before it's even a question of the infrastructure of the Light World allowing Ralsei passage.
@@Stego.raptor I don’t think we have enough information really, but given we could go from castle town to card kingdom through the door from the closet to the unused classroom, I think that if the closet had some kind of old tunnel entrance, going through it may not necessarily mean leaving the dark world. Like, if it’s connected to the bunker and the bunker has some kind of weird darkness machine or whatever, then I could see that making the tunnels some kind of weird between limbo dark world or something
But now I’m getting into wild speculation. Idk the idea just compels me
I like your Snowgrave route theory, its actually a theory i've had for a while, it reminds me of the dialogue from Sans' No Mercy dialogue:
"I thought the anomaly just needed some good food, some bad laughs"
"I thought that if i made it happy then it wouldn't hurt us"
"but now i see that you'll never be happy"
its eerily similar to Ralsei, in that he believes he can convince all of his enemies to stop fighting by treating them kindly. My personal theory for a while was that Ralsei knows about the player and is trying his best to keep us happy by treating us as politely as he can, in the hope that we will want to play pacifist as well.
that's why he doesn't object to fighting Darkners, he doesn't want to annoy us, since he thinks that will get us to not like him.
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to further the connection between sans and ralsei, they both about save points, ralsei allows to save in his kingdom.
Damn, kinda spooky when you look at it that way.
41:41 i thought he was jokeing here, mostly due to his expression, sure i think hes trying to get susie and kris to do their homework, i dont think he was serious about actually banishing them
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yeah, bro is literally looking at them like ">:3". i am autistic, so i guess what do i know, but that felt like a severe misreading of the tone there even to me.
@@matts9871 same, on both the tone and being autistic lol
@@matts9871 yeah im absolutely awful at reading tone, especially over text, but ive never thought anyone using the ">:3" emoticon was genuinely angry. the ":3" face is just a little too goofy for it to be taken seriously lol
Something that supports Ralsei just repeating what he’s told by his mentor without having a full understanding of it is that when talking about TP ( 17:57 ), he references “the big orange bar on the left” but does so at a point where you might have no TP, which would make the bar entirely red. Since he’s so thorough with his lesson, missing the color of the TP bar would support the idea that he can’t actually see it, but has simply heard a description of it by someone else.
18:00 it’s important to note that in other sections of deltarune, full textboxes that are between brackets are inner monologue (or whispering/aside conversation), that Kris can’t hear.
an example of this is in the snowgrave route, where the player can reply “it’s weird” or “it’s normal” (or something like that) to noelles inner monologue about stepping off a switch and killing kris. she is then surprised that “kris” could hear them, despite noelle saying it in her head.
so perhaps it wasn’t a slip-up at all. perhaps the “mentor” told ralsei that certain sections of his inner monologue/whispers kris can’t hear can still be heard by the player (or something idk)
edit: changed some things, thanks oops-you-messed-up
what about the scene after the Spamton NEO fight ? Susie and Ralsei both speak in full bracket textboxes so are they just telepathic now ?? Is their bond _THAT_ strong now ???
@@oops14314 that’s true. I forgot that brackets can also indicate whispering or conversation that kris would not be able to hear. in this case that would be ralsei and susie whispering/talking quietly to each other so that kris could not hear? either way, it seems the player is able to hear things that kris cannot.
59:50 Something else extremely interesting about this scene to me is that it ends with him thinking to himself "* (Oh well, as long as Susie's happy... right?)"; so far in this route he recognizes that something has gone very wrong, but Susie's happy, so surely everything's still alright. I'm curious how he will react when he can't rationalize with this anymore.
notes as i'm watching:
1. the mentor theory is interesting, i can get behind it
2. imo the creation of dark fountains doesn't necessarily mean the very beginning of the existence of the characters in it, it might just be that these dark worlds already existed for a period before the existence of the opening from the light world to the dark world. if ralsei had a mentor, it would be very hard to believe he was created, taught, and able to rehearse (for an assumedly long period of time) all of the things he currently knows in a matter of days or even hours; not saying i don't think he's young, he very much is, but maybe not days? i mean, in chapter 2, the plug characters mention how queen had been in control for the longest time and then went haywire, but the entrance to the dark world only appeared like a day after the supply closet entrance did. if it was there the entire time, someone would have discovered it by then. or Maybe the passage of time in the dark world is warped at creation and their stories and lives are already fleshed out mere seconds after the opening of the fountain and then time progresses "normally" (our normal) from there as the lightners enter, or something else entirely. maybe this detail is just a nitpick of mine
3. what about the jigsaw characters and the tutorial dojo? isn't this also "forbidden knowledge" that they shouldn't know about? and what about the virovirokun that had to help kris explain to noelle how battles worked? i don't think battle mechanics knowledge is specific to ralsei, it may just be common knowledge to all darkners
4. not sure about ralsei knowing he looks like asriel, i think it's just general self consciousness at not being experienced wtih social interactions
5. the possessive tendencies may just be out of naivety and willingness to fulfill the prophecy. if he was created solely for the purposes of the prophecy, told that the fate of the world relies on the prophecy's fulfillment and the success of the heroes, naturally he would want the prophesized heroes to follow the orders he's giving that he was also given. he described the direness of the situation in the legend, how the world would go into ruin.
6. i didn't even notice the turn to kris detail. that's interesting
7. that thing about 5 is so weird and interesting... that's cool, kudos
8. 49:47 awwwwww
9. kinda nitpick - i don't think ralsei was accusing susie (or anyone for that matter), he was just asking what happened in there because the cutscene is supposed to play but it doesn't but he wants the player to know so he just asks susie to explain so that the player is "caught up", which is the purpose of these "susie's pov" cutscenes.
these are just my opinions
overall, decent video. i was scared of watching this at first because people i see talk about ralsei as a character commonly mischaracterize him, but this video did not disappoint.
Dang now that you mention it the whole thing with the puzzle characters doing tutorials and RK doing puzzles would support mechanics of video games being common knowledge in the dark world. I'm still stuck on his vivid recollection of where the old classroom was. That turn is crazy I actually didn't notice it until subsequent playthroughs myself.
@@XDNighthawkXDdon’t forget lancer! He leaves signs that mention game play mechanics
I think the reason ralsei doesn't critisize kris so heavily is becaeuse of the player having direct control over them wich could be why he is more pacife towards kris becaeuse he kinda understands that not everything they do is under their control while susie is her own person wich could mean that every decision is full 100% hers while kris not also the reason kris doesn't have much of a choice could be why when kris can still say something in a tone wich ralsei and susie can understand their true feelings if there is no such thing they agree with the player this shown with after the spamton neo fight and when sussie ask who would kris like to go with to the fair.
I think the reason ralsei is a bit dismisive after the spamton neo fight is becaeuse he also pocceses a shadow fragment wich could ruin the friendship he made in his eyes also the explenation for the turning upwards could also be him trying to talk to the player in a more seamless and less suspicious way becaeuse if he where looking down sussie would question why he turned down in the middle of a conversasiion and the words still being adioble to her the way he lookes at kris but actually looking at the soul that is in their body.
I wonder what will hapen when he finds out that kris made the chapter 3 dark world.
I feel like Deltarune theory/analysis videos have gotten pretty dry recently and this video is the spellbreaker. Excellent analysis. Some of the things were stretches but it seems like you find the little things as significant as I do, I appreciate that. Keep it up!!!
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what if Ralsei's mentor is Dess and he casually mentions her by name and Noelle "Ol' Neller" holidaygirl1225 Holiday herself goes wacko
that would be funny i think
17:50 also from Kris's perspective, the TP bar would be over their right shoulder. Ralsei saying the bar to left means he absolutely meant it from our perspective. I think Ralsei will end up not being malicious, but I agree with your point about him subtly talking down to Susie. He does this a bit in chapter 2 as well to other characters. Hes a really interesting character overall im so interested to see what his whole deal is
ralsei also addresses the player directly in the beginning of chapter two, where he tells Kris to "go to the classroom to the east" to get all the chapter 1 darkners. there's literally no point for him to specify "To the East" except for the player, where from our perspective thats where the classroom would be o.o
In fairness, that could be to the east of the closet in-universe, too. And there seems to be another classroom to the west, so the distinction makes sense.
What makes less sense is that Ralsei points out the TP bar is "to the left" which is definitely only true for the player.
Ralsei could’ve also used left/right but that could’ve confused the player since when Kris exits the dark world they’re facing the player so Kris’s right is not our right
27:30 This is the sort of thing that's very hard to read in text I think. Your interpretation of Ralsei talking down to Susie is an entirely valid one, but I more got the impression that he was trying to remind Susie of his request in a way that politely gave Susie an opening to save face. Instead of saying "Hey, you didn't listen to me before, we should avoid fighting" which would be confrontational, he offers a non-confrontational out while still repeating the request, while either being confused or upset about her not following it before (again, hard to say for certain in text, even his sprite could be interpreted either way there I think).
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Option C:
Ralsei is aware of the player’s method of controlling kris
I've got a third interpretation of Ralsei making rooms for Susie and Kris - Ralsei either knows or suspects that some bad stuff is going to go down in the Light World in the near future, and that Kris and/or Susie are going to need a place to stay. While Susie has obvious reasons, there's also some hints that Kris may have also in the future, like Spamton mentioning them "crying in a broken home". Whether this is because of Dark World/Roaring reasons or something more mundane, who knows, but it'd *probably* happen in both the Normal and Wierd Routes, as Ralsei has rooms ready either way.
Yeah the Broken home likely means Toriel and Asgore's divorce, or.... it could be Noelle's home, dealing with the aftermath of what is likely Rudy's death that utterly breaks Noelle. I can see a darkworld of her home being possible, and during it, the emotions are brought up full front and center in all their uglyness, or no dark world but still emotions are there while in the now second broken home in town.
that makes sense. he does refer to it as a sort of "second home" and normally, a second home is used by people who cant use their first.
i was surprised that you weren't as confident in the possessive ralsei reading. i think it makes perfect sense since, as you said these are his first friends and his first experience with friendship, along with the possibility that he'll lose his purpose after the prophecy is fulfilled. maybe he's afraid of living in isolation so he's already started planning for them to live with him. anyway, amazing video, keep up the good work!
Completely unrelated but all I could think of while you were talking about the kid named 5 was this:
"But you are a number: CT-5555."
"No, I am Fives, call me Fives!"
"But 5 is a number."
"No, not 5. Fives!"
I love how this exchange shows that despite the clones all being biologically identical and having numbers for legal names, they have identities of their own, names they've chosen, that are unique to them and no other clone.
Idle thought:
What if, in the Certified Bad End Route, Ralsei attempts to stop The Player by initiating The Roaring himself?
Maybe something along the lines of "Isn't this basically what you've been working towards this whole time, anyway? Why should you care about us now, %playername? You haven't before."
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I do wonder what if ralsei is a titan.
I can see that happen, and a full conflict between Player and Kris is bound to happen in that route. Which.... there is no way to sugarcoat it, it's gonna be DEEP and fucked up!
In chapter one Ralsei says he was waiting for Kris and Susie, then in chapter two he says he never waited so long for friends after just one day.
they weren't friends with Ralsei before so he didn't have any friends to wait for
Deltarune fans going insane waiting for the next chapter.
In all seriousness, this series is really good. I'm truly in awe of the size of the task you've made for yourself, but damn thes videos are good.
nice pfp
YES GOODEST OF BOYS VIDEO. I don't care if he is evil, he is my best friend.
The last page of the manual has a red heart after "I'm looking forward to meeting you". Interesting.
i love the gmod visuals, its a fun thing to change up the presentation a bit inbetween cuts and explanations!!!
at 20:10, i always just assumed that Ralsei turns to close the door, since, you know, closing a door is pretty hard if you are facing away from it.
1:21 that's not a heart, that's the deltarune triangle that represents a darkner
I think it symbolizes both because in all of his official merchandise, it's a heart.
@@boi248 yea, checked the sprites chapter 1 is clearly an upside down black heart, like susie has a golden heart on her belt and kris has the heart.
The snoopy comparison was crazy. I love that end statement you made “Charlie didn’t care that Snoopy was a ‘used’ dog and I don’t think Toriel would either.”
Ralsei saying to look at the bar on the left is also notable for being in brackets which is usually used to show internal thoughts. most notable during snowgrave when you can make Kris respond to Noelles internal thoughts which confuses her. it would make sense considering we can hear his thoughts but not kris so it might be a way to get the information to us without confusing kris.
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another hour of a bird talking about deltarune 🎉🎉🎉
The puzzle peices in chapter one and two imply that knowledge about game mechanics is relatively common.
42:46
Secret third option (my headcanon): whatever ralsei's light world object is - is something Kris carries around with them
Possibly a gift from Asriel
everyone thank nighthawk for the food. the absolute feast that is this video
Thank You Mr. Hawk.
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Aight so I've just realized that boss monsters make their children's names a combination of their own. I think ralsei is kris' old desire to be like asriel and be a part of the dreemurs. He's as much a mirror to asriel as he is to kris. if you're right about him being a drawing he'd be hiding his face because kris would recognize in a second the exact drawing he descended from. My guess is that we're going to learn that there was a time where kris wanted to be what ralsei is right now and that this old heartache in physical form is what's causing them so much confusion about him.
Yeah, I also think Ralsei will be either the final boss or pre-final if we get to Gaster. I can imagine that in the Snowgrave version, we'll eventually just break into Ralsei's world to close his fountain. And he'll naturally fight us... along with all the darkners we recruited for him.
Ralsei isn't really what we see him as. He's just dedicated himself to playing this specific role for us in this "prophecy".
And he doesn't seem like "final boss" material to me. He's too superficial. Too naive and clearly being manipulated by the "prophecy". But I think a confrontation with him is inevitable if we want to disrupt the "status quo" he represents and get to the manipulator behind him.
I accept the clown hat if I’m jumping the gun (considering it’s an hour long video and I’m just starting) but I think Ralsei looking like a young Asriel is *more* proof he’s Kris’ old horns.
I think the context of why they wore the horns is important: to fit in with the Dreemurrs. Kris asked as a kid when their horns would grow in, and wore the devil horns in place of goat horns. So it’s not surprising to me that in the Dark World, they would take the form of the only goat child Kris would have reference for.
I feel that the scene where he mentions how long he’s waiting is a nod to how long of a time gap IRL there was between chapters one and two releasing. 😮
That cartoon splat let me know this was a really good video right away
I know this is coincidental as Chapter 1 came out in 2019, but it's funny how much Ralsei's team name sounds like a ChatGPT prompt
oh my god it does
I WAS WAITING AND WAITING FOR THIS ONE! you're my favorite UA-camr
The point of the soul is kindness, his clothes are green, right?
and yeah he is kind, it makes sense
Honestly, the fact that Ralsei goes dead serious when talking about the Roaring caught me off guard. I'm sure that he is the sole survivor of the previous Roaring, and Castle Town and the area around it is built over the corpse of a Titan, or possibly a alive, albeit dormant Titan. Or it could be built over multiple Titans, dead or alive.
27:05 Not quite correct here; Susie was wholly absent for the scene where Ralsei explained that the Kris could bring a better ending by befriending everyone, which was the scene right in front of the Great Door.
I really like the narration, the way you speak is very calm and feels relaxing. Just one thing, could you see that the volume changes are less abrupt? at 21:30 with the explanation of BPM the difference between the volume of the voice and the music was very wide
Ralsei's mentor:
bro its okay, you can just say Gaster
im kidding though, this video was wonderful, Ralsei is a really fun and complicated character to me, im really exited to see where he goes next.
also i think your light vs dark analysis is really insightful
This video is great so far, butone thing is that when you say darkness with forbidden knowledge are incredibly strong, citing jevil and spamton, i jabe to say that normal spamton, before becoming neo, is actually quite weak. Hr has 600 hp and 8 attack power, which is only twice as much hp as a single switching and less attack power than one. Lore wise, he can't just get the body himself b3cause the swatchlings would easily defeat him together. Jevil is definitely strong, and the point about ralseis hidden power is good too, but i don't think simply having this knowledge makes you strong
They could never make me hate him
47:36 I love it when video essays do stuff like this because it makes total contextual sense, but out of context, it looks unhinged.
I didn't see Susie and Noelle on ferris wheel on my first playthrough. I thought I don't need to peep on Susie, Kris and Ralsei are entertaining on their own. Wonder if that will have consequences, or if there will be more moments that I can skip.
i loveee character analyses i eat this sht right up!! totally agree on ralsei having had a mentor, and his eventual arc establishing his own identity. and a few other facts brought up here (the sprite turn when talking about the new fountain, the 5 connection) i had no idea about!! love the analysis of his relationship with kris too.
saw this somewhere else but the fact ralsei says the prophecy was "foretold by time and space," and gaster was "shattered across time and space," is very, very--u get it.
i think basic game mechanics are common knowledge in the dark worlds (the battle tutorial with noelle, the puzzle masters, lancer's sign referencing the menu). i think it's probably diegetic in ways similar to undertale's mechanics BUT i do think the further knowledge that their world is fake/a game isn't common knowledge, necessarily. given that specific worldview is brought up as unusual by seam, and seemed to play a role in spamton/jevil's spirals. so i think ralsei still has some red flag behaviour in how he speaks to the _player_ specifically. love to rotate him in my mind. how is the guy coping!!
also the darkners' histories don't necessarily line up with their fountains/world's age in the light world. there's probably some spacetime shenanigans happening, or last thursdayism, or some inanimate existence that's made available with the fountains' creation, or something. having said that, ralsei _is_ uniquely naive and childlike. maybe from being alone (sans mentor) his whole life? or because he's maybe based off kris' childhood horns?
so I'm like 7 minutes in, and I've never played either game (just watched some videos, so I lack substantial context), but my immediate thought about Ralsei the second you brought up the formation of the Darkners was that Ralsei's inanimate "object" was... Kris's brother's dead body. Like he's dead but the family doesn't know that yet. Hence his pragmatic knowledge and focus on Kris
I don't think I even want to imagine it
How creepy and uncomfortable it would be
And would take this uncomfortable feeling that Kris sometimes seems to have to a whole new level
And I'm pretty sure this will mix pretty well with my Snowgrave nightmares QvQ
Interesting theory
Worth a fanfic for sure
But I don't think this is how the Dark World works
And I really hope I'm correct with this one
41:52 oh my god he was just being a goodie two shoes
47:37 I think Kris's dance is a Prisiadki, or the Kazotsky Kick from TF2
43:45 interesting theory, but it’s also nearly impossible for Kris to have done so, since after we seal this dark fountain, we see berdly and Noelle with their stuff on the library table (unless I’m making that up, in which case nevermind). They started studying then the dark world got opened.
I know this comment is old, but people can change position, like in chapter 1 we ended up in the other room and not in front of the closet
Here before the knight appears
To late
The thing about "ralsei only being weeks old-" dark worlds are created with their entire history already in place, based on the physical alterations to the space in the light world. So, from Ralsei's perspective, he HAS been waiting for a very long time- an unused inanimate object sitting forgotten in the supply closet.
We see the same phenomenon with the Cyber World, with one example being Queen and King having a whole relationship history, including probably a divorce or breakup, despite the cyber world not existing the day prior.
1:00:25 I just realized I’d heard says “ your choices matter it might be to us and not Kris, meaning he believes the players choices matter but not Kris
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15:20 i think that the 'have you done this before?' references to how you attack in undertale
Love the video! Great analysis! You make a great case for Ralsei being only days old, and him having some form of mentor is something that I've always *felt* but never articulated, instead jumping straight to "he must know Gaster somehow" because that's the only mentor we currently know who would be able to provide him the story outline. One tiny nitpick:
59:16 What do you mean by "audible" in these two sentences? Did you mean "oddity"?
Sorry, sometimes when I'm writing I try to put in words or phrases that are not normally used. An "audible" is a term used in American Football which describes a change in the play right before the quarterback says go. It's like a change in plans right before the plan goes into motion. I used the term here because it's a change in the course of events right before the queen boss fight which changes the outcome of the queen boss fight.
Lancer has a sign in chapter 1 next to a candy tree which tells you not to press C or whatever the inventory button is
I like the small detail of you defining words that people might not know, it’s cool :)
About the red horn thing, the cyber world darkners don't necessarily match with their irl counterparts (otherwise 90% of them would be text or rectangles) so maybe it could be that Kris's associations with the red horns and being like his brother led to ralsei being not a amalgamate of red spikes?
Idk
Weird side effect of this video is that it made me think Toriel is the Knight (and Ralsei’s mentor)
The dance kris does is the kazotsky kick
35:03 woah this looks so cool
the biggest bombshell from this video for me is that ralsei knows what kris's room looks like.
47:20 funny then that we give ,,Onion,, a name and in the dialouge files for DR some characters are ,,nameless,, [Onion being one]
You have earned a sub just for the dance analyzation alone.
Time passes VERY differently in dark worlds. From what we know, the cyberworld only was formed the night before chapter 2, and yet theres already darkners that know other darkners from other worlds and a civilization. If the supply closet was weeks old, then it could have been years. In the normal world, Ralsei is only weeks old, but in the dark world, Ralsei is probably hundreds of years old.
I have a theory/observation that I’ve made about the prophecy/Ralsei, and I’ve been waiting for your take on Ralsei to share it!
(I’m going to apologize beforehand for how *long* this is and if this sounds like I’m rambling or maybe some things just don’t make sense 😅 sorry!)
My observation about the prophecy is this:
The prophecy talks about how “if this harmony (between light and dark) were to shatter, a terrible calamity (the roaring) would occur” And then it basically references the roaring and how if it happens, the world will be destroyed.
*But!* right after this, it says “*Only then*, shining with hope, three heroes appear at worlds edge” “*Only they* can seal the fountains, and banish the angels heaven”
“*Only then* will balance be restored, and the world saved from destruction.”
Which, in my own interpretation of the prophecy and what it shows, it sounds like *to me* that either we’re supposed to show up *only when* the roaring happens, or, it sounds like the roaring *can be stopped* even when it happens, and it’s not just the end of the world like Ralsei is making it out to be.
(Although, aside from this, I will say that I know Toby said (somewhere) that the prophecy is supposed to resemble something that has been translated over and over again from several different languages and back again, *but* I still think it’s odd how despite that, it still says several “Only” statements *three times in a row* regarding *when, who, and how* things happen, which still feels very intentional in my opinion.)
So, my question is, *Why does Ralsei want us to prevent the roaring so bad?*
I mean, objectively I get *why* he wouldn’t want the world to end, but If the prophecy/legend (imo) implies a hopeful outcome to an otherwise hopeless scenario by portraying us as the heroes swooping in to save the day, then why portray it as something that *can’t* be fixed like he does in chapter 2?
(Unless it’s him in a meta sense trying not to have us finish the game too early?)
Seam even says: “*One day soon… You too, will begin to realize the futility of your actions. At that time, feel free to come back here. I’ll make you tea… and we can toast… to the end of the world!*”
*“The futility of your actions”* bit could be seam trying to tell us that preventing the roaring is a lost cause, because it’s just going to happen anyway, but I also feel like it’s something that *needs* to happen if we’re really going to be heroes and save the world.
Not to mention Ralsei’s ‘Toxic Positivity’ being at play with him avoiding certain situations and whatnot works with this as well, so it would make sense for him to avoid something “bad” like the roaring even if things would still be ok in the end, I mean, it’s about *Hope*, right? Does he just… not have that, or…?
I can see it being that maybe at one point, when the storage closet fountain was first created, maybe (Gaster and/or the knight) talked to Ralsei and told him that maybe he could find a loophole to help his friends, and so when Ralsei talks to Kris, he tells them that they need to keep making dark fountains so that they as a group can continue to close them while reaping the benefits, that way, in this ideal situation, Ralsei can gain subjects, grow his kingdom and keep his friends safe (have his cake and eat it too), he knows that Susie and Kris will be happy while thinking that they’re actually fulfilling the prophecy, while not knowing that they’re just delaying the inevitable, and he knows *the player especially* will be *happy* with this continuous cycle of fun (like the replay-ability in a video game).
One small note, before Kris and Susie leave to go do their project, once Susie leaves, Ralsei says to Kris *as soon as she’s gone*: “*Good luck today, Kris. See you soon!*”
Now, *why* would he say ‘see you soon’ if he *didn’t already know* that there was a dark fountain in the library?
Now, I’m not saying any of this ‘cracks the code’ or answers anything or whatever, but i think it makes sense! (At least I hope so, anyway 😅)
One last thing! I just *have* to talk about Ralsei’s sweepstakes page!
On his sweepstakes page, it says the following:
[Dress him up!!] IN THIS ONE-OF-A-KIND [nurse costume $9.99] AND HE WILL MAKE YOUR [boo-boos] GO [bye-bye]!
BUY NOW AND IN OUR [Specil Deal], HE WILL ALSO MAKE YOUR [baa baas] GO [bo bo]!!!!!
Now, at first I was like “what does that even mean??” But then it clicked! *Its nursery rhymes*.
(*Baa baa*) Baa Baa black sheep.
(Sheep) a person who is too easily influenced or led.
(Black sheep) a member of a family or group who is regarded as a disgrace to it.
Baa baa black sheep, have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.
(*Bo Bo*) Little Bo-Peep who *lost* her sheep, And can't tell where to find them;
Leave them alone, and they'll come home, Bringing their tails behind them.(apparently in a literal sense in the story)
In another version of the story, it is actually the bellwether (the leader sheep/ram of a flock with a bell around its neck) that leads the flock away and gets them lost.
What’s with all this *sheep* imagery?? And why are *we* the sheep?
This also ties in with Ralsei’s *pacify* spell, him singing a *lullaby*, putting opponents to *sleep*. (You know what some people do to fall asleep? *They count sheep!*)
Idk, I just think it’s all super weird, considering the game’s theme about *dreams* and *sleeping* and whatnot.
That stuff about the nursery rhymes is pretty interesting, maybe it's a literal meaning. Ba ba black sheep (Ralsei use to be covered in black shadows)
To Bo Bo Little bo peeps sheep were white. Ralsei takes off his hat to reveal his white fur.
Regarding the prophecy, I never thought about the wording that way. It that's the case, then that would mean that the heroes are suppose to be there when the roaring happens. Which like you mentioned with Seam may be inevitable. Ralsei Having this information if be another supporting point for Ralsei having a script, or having knowledge of set events If he doesn't want the roaring to happen yet.
That thing you mentioned where Toby said the prophecy was something translated several times has me thinking this Prophecy is tied to the Religion where they worship the angel in Castletown. I can't say I remember Toby saying that; but if it's true then I would say it sounds like a parallels to most religions. Fun fact the story of how Eve was created changes based on what translation of the Bible you are reading. In early stages of this video I had an entire section planed that would talk about religious parallels and I had a theory that the angel never really existed. I eventually decided to Omit it because it wasn't directly about Ralsei, it was a little off topic and the negatives outweighed the positives.
All interesting points thanks for watching. :)
@@XDNighthawkXD Aww you’re welcome! ☺️
I’ve also been thinking about the prophecy from a religious perspective, like how the Bible has been translated over and over again for centuries, but really the only thing that changes its meaning is the people who want a certain message to be told or what have you. Like, either Ralsei is *purposefully* portraying the roaring as something bad that needs to be avoided in order to have us do what he wants instead of something inevitable but with a hopeful outcome, with good intentions or not, *or* he genuinely thinks that the roaring is something bad that has to be avoided at all costs and needs us to keep it at bay, otherwise everything will be destroyed, It all has to do with interpretation.
Maybe it could be related to how despite the lightners religion about the angel not having a concept of sin or confession, asriel still somehow believed in it enough to beg father Alvin for forgiveness over a video game, and how if Ralsei is in any way connected to Asriel, he does show signs of having a concept of sin and repentance especially. Which altogether is *really weird.*
Ralsei is leading the Lightners (and the *_player_* into a trap) unknowingly.
35:10 the "technical term" really caught me off-guard lmaooo
There is a lot to say about Ralsei.
First, the most obvious point, his comparaison to Asriel. I mean, just like Deltarune is an anagram of Undertale (or, considering the timeline in Toby's mind, the other way around), Ralsei is an anagram of Asriel, just how Kriss is a close call to Frisk. They both have an important role in their own prophecy, they look similar...
Second, it's the fact that Ralsei is living in a cold and lonely world. For all we've seen so far, until Lancer comes up, there was no one here. It would make sense since he's located in a closet, compared to the abandoned classroom of Gerson or the library.
But, funny enough, while other darkners, or Lancer party at least, turned to stone when living their home, it doesn't happen to Ralsei. Twice. On the other hand, his world can give darkners a home, even transforming under their influence.
On another note, we have no idea how Ralsei was able to hop from his world to the library. As far as we know, he didn't hide in our pockets when we left, but here he is still. And, funny enough, he is including in the lighteners role by Jevil, lines about him being the only one free in Lancer's role.
There is no way to know how long his world was made, or by who. Maybe his dark world is different from the others, like, the original one, with a purest form of darkness at its core. And we don't know how he's aware of the Roaring and such. Queen surely didn't, and neither did King. So, it might be what his creator told him, or what was pushed into this creation. Or, maybe Ralsei himself made contact with the Knigh but doesn't realize it. It would be very interesting if we had to fight him as some point, since he has the same type of knowledge as Jevil and Spamton. And if he's really the only one in his world, it would be logical for the knight to pass that knowledge onto him, no matter if he's his creator or not.
And, the other interesting supposition if that Ralsei is wrong about the Roaring and everything else. Maybe he does have a secret agenda and is misleading us into sealing the other foutains. Or maybe he doesn't get the trick. After all, why would his world be more important than the others, if he wasn't the original or made by someone else ? After all, it seems Kriss is responsible for the dark world in chapter 3, assuming that was Kriss intend to begin with. Maybe the Roaring is a good thing, or it doesn't matter at all. I wouldn't even be surprised if sealing the foutains is going to do more bad than good overall.
"You don't want to get caught when the sun goes down..." - seam. i wonder what the personalized rooms mean?
Great vid! I think Ralsei knows more than what he lets on. I had a question about the tunnel of love section: do you think Ralsei is more talking to Kris or the player?
What if Ralsei is Kris' monster-sona, He's what Kris wanted/expected to look like so they could fit into the monster society and their family. I wonder if Kris hates having a human soul..
Either Ralsei is a lost sibling, or a literal god-like entity
I’m gonna be honest I read the ‘banishment’ as more playful severity than actual anger. Sort of ‘No dessert without your veggies’ kinda deal
this might not be the best place to note this, but I feel like there is inexplicably SO MANY things destiny 2 shares in common with deltarune. First off, the entire concept of light and dark, which actually there are very few things in common there, but also the concept of sword logic from d2 in deltarune (both jevil and spamton become weapons for you to use at the end of their fights) and also I saw in a video mentioning deepness with the darkness in deltarune, which "The deep" Is a VERY important part of the darkness in d2.
10:58 a very blatant way to get an answer to that is to just look at non ralsei reactions for his info.
-(ralsei)Push boxes with [Z]
-(susie)Who the hell is Z?
-(susie) remember ralsei said something about running with [X]
-(ralsei) I juat remembered, you can hold all sorts of items at storage at your save point
-(susie) sounds like some useful information
goat of DR analysis on youtube honestly
That’s one legendary thumbnail
The way Ralsei reacts to not being able to do the meditation thing really reminds me of the Genocide Route and how much less story it has and how much more boring it is
45:01
While this is an interesting detail, I would still think that this is for the sake of variety in the cutscene, along with conveying the idea that Ralsei is passively displeased with the development.
Man am I excited for this video! Love your videos, keep doing what you're doing!
another thing i like to keep in mind whenever something is called "fun" in some way, is that theres that sneaky little fun value connected to gaster/darkness.....
I have a little silly theory that Ralsei is an amalgamation of Kris's trauma. Ralsei is a boss monster, and the anagram of his name is Asriel. He lacks proper communication skills and can be a hypocrite, like Asgore and Toriel. He's also against violence, until the player choses to do violence. Toriel is against Kris skipping school, unless it's Kris choosing to hang out with friends. Ralsei was lonely, and still is when not around specific people, even if other non specific people are around him. Ralsei shows signs of trauma when warning about the roaring, similar to how kids seem to be afraid of the bunker due to what Kris said. Ralsei wants to obey the player, and loves the player, which can be seen as Kris not knowing how to feel about us - since we appeared, they get to go on adventures, and gain friends! But also they barely have any control in their life. Ralsei also can be what Kris thinks other want them to be - a cisgender, boss monster, who's cute and nice despite being socially awkward.
Also I think Ralsei kinda... *Is* partially the roaring? The symbols of the titans were all around the walls before castle town. Ralsei seems to have so much knowledge about the light world, maybe because they patrially represent everything that traumatized Kris? Could explain why Ralsei tea heals Kris the least
I love your videos so much! Can’t wait for kris analysis
I think the unused manual is worth a look. Not because it's paired well with the game, but because it ISN"T. Think a bit on what that manual WOULD work well with, and we might get a clue to what ralse actually IS. Perhaps a figurine from a game that the manual is actually accurate for?
isn’t ralsei’s shirt in the shape of a spade?
wasnt there text where you went to go inspect a sign next to a candy tree in cp1 and it said "oh press z to get shit -signed lanzer"
I think Ralsei is the real Kris in the dark world. It explains why they can travel to separate worlds without turning to stone. Its also implied a level of hero worship for Asriel by Kris and the fact that its an anagram and the appearance being very similar is another piece of evidence. WE control Kris who keeps ripping us out meaning they're aware of our presence and externalizes themself as their hero to have an impact on what happens. If our instinct is violence, then we aren't Kris, they strive for peace. Its why they befriend Susie despite how much she mocks them. In the weird route, Ralsei isn't there, its just us and Noelle. It also explains why they blush when you get in the right position to them, they see the us trying to connect to them and how they want to see us play out the story. Just my thoughts.