Martina Navratilova vs Steffi Graf 1987 US Open Final Highlights
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These are the best 2 women's tennis players ever.
2 legend , 2 queens of world tennis ❤👍👍
I don't care what anyone says or thinks:. Navratilova is simply a superstar tennis player .. day in and day out.. year after year.
Would anyone say otherwise? She's widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time.
she is the best ever
@@danielgoncalves8079 No, she was too weak on slower surfaces.
3-11 against Evert on clay.
0-2 against Steffi on clay (Martina avoided Steffi on clay after Steffi had turned 18).
0-3 against Zvereva on clay. 😂
Steffi is the greatest because she no weaknesses.
@@gk891statistics says she is GOAT !!! ❤ I don’t know how she won this match anyway, her shots back at Steffi were landing half court .. well it was 1987 , Steffi figured it out 😂❤
@@WildCheval Statistics say that she has 4 slams less than Steffi Graf, no Grand/Golden Slam and only a 86.8 % winning percentage.
Her many Chicago singles titles and a plethora of doubles slams can't bridge this huge gap.
We will never see volleying of this like again. Astonishing net skills from Navratilova. A relentless performance here by Martina. Attack, attack, attack. She applied so much pressure when she played like that. Congratulations to Martina Navratilova. This was a great rivalry back in the day.
Yup for that much faster courts and rackets that generate speed instead of topspin would be needed.
Think, the average rotation of Sampras’ or Agassi’s shots were around 1800 rotations per minute. Roger and Nole 2500. Rafa 3200 (peaking at 5000). You can’t serve and volley in those conditions. Or you’d have to make surfaces so fast that big serves would own everything. Just think how slow today’s grass is vs grass in the 80s and 90s.
She volleyed as well as Billie Jean King but with much more aggression.
You also need to remember that Graf was a totally new beast, attacking so hard from the baseline was new. Her game was an evolution, and played at a GOAT level, and yet martinas game had enough scope to handle it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love Martina' applauding great shots by her opponent and tapping her head when she makes a bad one. She plays in a zone of realism.
@Max E - All great players applaud excellent shots. It's showing respect.
@Max E - Men, too. Same thing. Honor excellence.
@Max E - Men do the same.
@Max E It has nothing to do with gender or sports. Excellent performers appreciat excellence and show respect for it wherever it is displayed.
@Max E - Since I don't watch either I would not know, but you see it a lot in other sports. Watch the close races in the Olympics. Everybody congratulates the winner. Check 21:17 on this.
ua-cam.com/video/JX3ij39OAso/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Olympics
Women's tennis with variety, finesse, slices, one handed backhands and no grunts... impossible to find something as beautiful as these nowadays
Mauro C men grunt as well
@@sassyaesthetic89 yeah... is pandemic right now Unfortunatly... but grunting is cheating...
You’re a idiot so what if they grunt how is it cheating your stupid grunting is cheating smh prove it stupid!!
@@antonyog37 Grunters are cheaters because they distract their opponents, who can not hear the ball... Its been studied and proved by sciencists that players who grunt/scream have an advantage ... go and google it yourself... and you are stupid
Mauro C I see what you mean but is completely wrong
Martina ....
Such a great technique ....
Such an athlete
Never again
Martina is the GOAT.
@@joeyconvery2055 exactly
@@joeyconvery2055 Absolutely 💯 %
Simply the best of all times
@@joeyconvery2055 And yet the great Steffi from Germany gets about ten times as many votes as her in GOAT polls.
But maybe you meant greatest American player, no?
The two GOAT female tennis players. 🤩 I don't care what anyone else thinks 😁
I agree! Those two are my favourites for sure.
The are strong arguments for Steffi Graf and Margaret Court.
Two great players. They had some epic matches, for sure!
This was the era of the Martina Mullet!
Ha ha yes. Martina had this "makeover" sometime in the summer of 87, because earlier 87 tournaments she had her normal, natural style. Then after the spring tournament stretch, she had this mullet.
I wish they had gotten to play each other more. Great contrast in styles.
Martina is the best of all time. How fun to see these two amazing women play.
Steffi is the greatest of all time, although Martina is a close second.
@Max E Exactly. Their rivalry is perhaps the greatest rivalry ever in the women’s game, I don’t think we will ever see such level of tennis in the women’s game. Compare it to the absolutely tragic errorfest AO final between Osaka and Brady or the diabolical RG final between Krejcikova and overweight Pavlyuchenkova. And people have the audacity to say that the WTA has “depth”. Lmao.
Martina Navratilova beat up Steffi and then Monica Seles came along and beat up both Martina and Steffi...at the same time. 😆😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Too bad what happened with Seles. She may have been the GOAT, or she may have faded injury or no. No way of knowing.
@@alansach8437 she would surely have won more slams then she retired with, even if it was just a few more. I think getting stabbed really affected her later in her career. For a professional athlete to not play 2.5 years, they really lose their momentum.
A pair of champions. Personally i love both of them.
Great tennis. Miss serve and volley
The resolution is amazing for 1987. I really miss those eras in women’s tennis when you had matchups of all time greats in a Slam final, a clash of the titans.
Honestly, does anyone ever get excited before a Slam now that we might get to see Barty and Osaka square off in the final? Uh,,,,, no. It’s shocking these days if more than one of the four semi finalists is even in the top 10 bc the women’s game is so bad and inconsistent now.
Seeing evert, Navratilova, graf, seles,and later Serena , Hingis,Venus, Davenport, henin, clijsters, mauresmo,,Capriati, sharapova, et all squaring off was really something you’d look forward to bc of the greatness and consistency.
@@rexdby2984 Men's tennis is gonna get there when Raffa and Nole retire :(
Theim and Medvedev are good, but like that's the future. That's it.
On the women's side agree, Halep and Barty are good, but they're not great. Osaka is way too inconsistent to be considered great, even if she shows flashess of greatness, and Bianca is also a little inconsistent and then always injured. Sabalanka shows potential, but other then that women's tennis has nothing. It's pathetically shallow, and none of the players on this list are good enough to dominate this shallow field. It's sad.
I hoped Bianca could, but that she's played in 3 events in the last year, she's always injured and at only 19, that's not a good sign
@@rexdby2984 If you get the chance to take in a slam, I'd suggest you go and immerse yourself in that experience. Just watch the difference in court attendance when a ladies living legend takes to the court when there is a current top tenner currently playing. You'll witness an exodus to the outside courts when Navratilova, Davenport, Martinez and co come on for their doubles encounters. Seriously, it's been like a stampede at Wimbledon and US where people just scramble to go watch some actual tennis - rather than the vacuous, witless ball thrashing that passes for the women's game these days. I got chatting to Martina with an old friend just 3 years ago at Wimby - she spent a little time with us, took some selfies, chatted about the world - Davenport was really nice too. They really could show some of the current crop of women how to grace a court and charm a crowd :-) Incidentally that was the evening when Davenport and McEnroe openly stated on BBC TV highlights that Evert and Nav' would still be top 5 players, even in today's game, because they were such very skilled players.
@@rexdby2984 its called nostalgia
@@Trepur349 Mens tennis has had a dearth of up and comers for awhile. A good new generation has to show up eventually though.
Stunning moments.Thanks for sharing.
Brilliant video quality to match thrle quality of this match. Thanks ever so much Jamie.
so entertaining...much variety and placement over brute power. An young graf emerging vs the accomplished master
Martina made tennis and playing look so effortless and easy and sure isn't. To me she is the GOAT. Just loved her style.
Martina may not have won a calendar slam but she held six slams in a row in 1983-84
@GoTeam there was all kinds of controversy about Martina's run. Before Martina won 4 in a row, the ITF announced that they'd consider a non calendar grand slam as a full grand slam and pay a $1 million bonus for anyone who did it. Martina did the non calendar slam, got the $1 million, but then the ITF said they'd changed their mind and a non calendar grand slam was not to be classed as a full grand slam
And Martina Navratilova did what NO player has ever been able to do. Win 75 or 76 str8 matches w/o a loss. That's dominance!
@Ilya Kuryakin But Steffi Graf had no real competition. Weak era champ.
@Ilya Kuryakin Golden age my arse! There were no True tennis Greats at that time. Apart from Navratilova and Evert. Who were around 30 years of age by the mid 80s. Old for a tennis player at the time, past their peak. Seles was the only true 'great' at the time. Were was Graf when Seles won 7 out of 9 Slams before her stabbing? Were was Steffi Graf ??? Were ! Getting spanked 6-0 by Sánchez Vicario at RG.?
GOAT's Never get dominated when they are at their peak. NEVER !
@Ilya Kuryakin @Ilya Kuryakin @Ilya Kuryakin Navratilova turned 30 in 1986. If players peak at that age, why did Steffi Graf retire at 30?
Why? She knew she was getting old and her body could not cope with the stress of the tour.
Also Seles was still a Junior when Graf won those titles in the 80's. Dummy.
No one in the past or even today can match the grace and elegance of Steffi Graf . Pure class and natural talent ..
Haiti Musik
Martina matched her quite well :)
@@fundhund62 Steffi was more feminine, a dancer on the court.
Navratilova was graceful more in an Edberg way with her fluid S&V game.
Steffi Graf just turned 18 here and overtook Navratilova as world number one. Beautiful Steffi. The following year, at just 19 years old Graf won every GS and the Olympic medal - the so-called “Golden Slam”. Impressive achievement! ✌️
Joey Convery Seles came and became number one BUT NEVER dominated Graf. Graf was the one dominating Seles. Seles never achieved the Golden Slam. Seles never achieved the same calendar slam. Seles had “zero” Wimbledon. Graf was kicking Seles’ ass. 🤣 Head to head was 10-5, for the ONLY Golden Slam achiever, the great Steffi Graf. 😀👌
Jack Reacher there are so many of these people on UA-cam. It’s crazy. They live in a make believe world where Seles was this great champion that dominating Graf yada yada yada. Just nuts give how little truth there is to any of it.
Joey Convery ok. Now go create another account and reply to yourself.
@@TheAudioman15 Just joking with you.
I like Monica and Steffi...
But Monica was better! 😆
Joey Convery we can agree to disagree. But you don’t have to post the same thing over and over again. If it’s just her game you like better, great. I just find saying she was better to be based on almost nothing else.
We don’t deserve you 😭. Yet another awesome upload
This tennis is so much more interesting and entertaining than the mindless bashing we see now…
The Crowd of New York has never been on Martina's side until Evert retirement,even if Martina played with anybody else,the US Open crowd was Always against her.Ridiculous
Wonderful win and championship for Martina!!!
I agree with the previous posts. Great variety, net play, slices, and point construction that is enjoyable to watch. I can't even watch today's baseline grinders/ grunters.
Martina is my favorite
@Jim Stark Yes but with the rackets of that era it was impossible for a girl to serve at 115 mph, so to win they could only use their technique, class, variety combined with power( Graf's forehand was very powerful, and it would work today as well). Today the girls can only be stronger to serve at 115 mph, the game has become more physical, but this isn't good for tennis, it becomes faster, but there are less technique and skills and for me it's less beautiful.
@@valeriocostantini1959 There is plenty of beauty in women's tennis today.
You just to have to except the fact, that it is also a very fast and powerful game as well.
Deal with it.
Great quality on the video
Martina was more in her element here on what were once fast hardcourts…I do find it fascinating as these two played in the 91 semifinal and you can see tennis was improving ever year as the 91 match both these players I think were playing better tennis..I guess you could make an argument Martina played better week in week out in 87 versus 91 BUT the top of them is was always and evolving and improving
Steffi played far worse in 1991 than in 1989.
So did Martina.
This was the year Navratilova bagged the super rare triple crown, winning in singles, doubles and mixed doubles at the same slam.
Nav was 4-1 up on Graf at USO, including their last major encounter at USO91, aged 34, where she beat prime 20s Graf in a great match to lead 5-4 in their slam rivalry.
Had Navratilova retired aged 30, as Graf did, she would have ended 7-3 up in their overall h2h, 4-1 up in slams and 2-0 YEC.
superb quality. Always loved the all-round game and contrast between the two: Queen of Serve&Volley vs Fräulein Forehand...although here they are playing with the same Dunlop stick ;)
@coffeeinthemorning exactly how it was. I think she looked awesome wielding that white rq-180. Cheers 💪 👍 🎾 🍻
@coffeeinthemorning I believe Martina switched to the same Dunlop 200G because she wanted the same power as Steffi Graf. But Steffi Graf's forehand power didn't come from the Dunlop racquet, it was just the way she struck (stroked) the ball.
Martina knew that Steffi was coming to take the Throne as the unquestioned top player, but damn if she didn’t make her work to get there.
Yes, credit to Martina for really preparing to face Steffi here in the championship match. And credit to Martina for quickly adapting to and solving Steffi's game more within a few months. Though Steffi would only continue to grow and develop her game and possess more dimensions in her game, which is why she ended up having her historic career after especially after 87!
@@alexsdb9712 Steffi solved Navratilova’s game in 1988/89.
She beat her in 3 great slam finals and an equally great YEC final.
Even though in 1989 especially Martina was at the peak of her powers - she would have had a 70-win streak between June 1989 and April 1990 if it weren’t for Supersteffi.
Graf never “solved” Martina's game. They were 2-2 h2h in the last 3 years that they met, despite Martina being in her mid to late 30s vs. prime Graf. Martina won their last major match up at USO91, aged 34. And Martina was past her very best by 1988, older than a retired Graf. Her winning percentage was v good in 1988/89 only because the rest of the field - Graf's contemporary rivals - were so weak. But by '88 she was losing to players like Garrison whom she'd dominated before. She was burnt out by then and post peak, which was 1982-86.
@@tobiasisback4605 Martina avoided Steffi like hell on slower surfaces after her loss to 17-year-old Steffi in the FO 87 final.
16 of the 18 Graf-Navratilova matches were played on fast courts, the H2H was 9-9 in the end. That is a very unusual rivalry. Graf-Seles for instance played 8 of 15 matches on slow surfaces (clay, slow HC), the H2GH was 10-5 in Steffi's favor in the end.
So it is safe to say that Steffi would have had the upper hand against Navi with 14-4 H2H or so if at least half of their 18 matches had been played on slow surfaces.
@@carrerau7138 Graf avoided the Williams sisters like hell by retiring//running to the hills aged just 30. Navratilova played to 37 on crocked knees. Yet she was still 5-4 up on Graf in slams, beating her in their last major encounter aged 34. 🤷
So good!!
Une incroyable volleyeuse Navratilova !!!!! j'adorais Martina,mon idole 😍😍😍😍😍
Two legends
Great Legends.
on a l' impression en regardant ces 2 joueuses qu on est en 2021. et à l' inverse en 1987 avec les joueuses actuelles. du très haut niveau pratiqué par ces 2 immenses championnes sans doute les 2 plus grandes. leur palmarès en témoigne.
The best years of womens tennis, and FAR THE MOST BEAUTIFULL WOMENS TENNIS!
Jim Stark get a life
Also, the best years of men´s tennis!
Martina's hair is kinda like Lendl's. The Guess the mullet was big for Czech players in the 80's
A very solid performance from Martina, using all her experience. For Steffi, I can't help but think that this whole tournament was something of a choke for her. She had just become world number one and I think the pressure was getting to her
T H Steffi was ill during the final.
Liamhen...........BULLSHIT LOL!!!.
James Waugh it was reported at the time. Not an excuse and being a Martina fan, was very happy she won.
@@liamhen yup, illness can be brought on by stress though, and I think that was the case here. The pressure on her must have been huge, in all fairness. I can't help thinking she froze somewhat in the 87 Wimbledon final too. Didn't play anywhere near as well in the final as she did in the semis.
Liamhen, whether it was "reported" or not, I didn't see any difference in Graf's play from previous rounds or matches!!!. As for "being ill", take a read at Chris Evert's book where she states that bother her AND Martina had very heavy periods and in some big matches they could hardly walk!!!. But because they were the number 1 and 2 in the world you HAD to PLAY ON!!!. Also in her book, she recalls having a "mystery virus" and before a big game at Wimbledon, she was lying in a darkened room for 3 days BEFORE the game!!!. At Wimbledon one year it was "reported" that Graf had a "major injury" to her left knee and could "hardly walk". She came on the court with a PLASTER on her knee and ran about like a gazelle and won easily in straight sets!!!. So I suggest you don't take anything that's "reported" as being right!!!.
Great player graf
wow- how the hell did Martina win this in straight sets.... most just saw Graf winners.
The way it's edited. Often the way on UA-cam - you get to the last point and are surprised that Martina didn’t lose but won in straight sets 😅 Particularly the Evert videos that are really edited.
Great match
Its funny how plain and simple the awarding was...
Steffi topspin one handed backhand is beautiful. Why it is dissapear in her 90s career
Martina magic
STRONG FULL AND ATTRACTIVE GAME......
BOTH SUPER POWER PLAYERS GAME, WHICH IS STAMINA FULL, PRACTICE FULL, TECHNICAL FULL, ENERGY FULL AND POWERFUL...........
BUT WINER IS WINER.........
I’m glad Martina sqeaked through this match because it was the last time Martina was better than Graf. Martina won Wimbledon and the Open which in everyone’s book made her number one for 1987 except for the computer which mad Graf number one with winning most of the tournaments in 1987 including beating Martina in French Open. ,
Martina not only won Wimbledon and USO in straight sets (and the triple crown at USO) but reached all 4 slam finals in 87. She was a break up in the final set at FO, too.
Only some bitter Americans thought that Navi was still the #1 at the end of 1987. 😂
Steffi was 75-2 win/loss that year, Martina 56-8.
Steffi won 11 tournaments, Martina 4.
Only imbeciles count ONLY slams and slam matches.
I forgot how good Steffi Graf was because Martina was amazing as well but Steffi was someone I Loved watching her play
We must also not forget that Steffi played despite being ill.
She had the flu.
Here we go. She had a sniffle, she had a scandal, she was stung by shame… 😜
@@tobiasisback4605 Here we go.
She was too young. It was no foot fault! She was too old. She was a victim of sexism. She was too burned out. She had a crocked knee. She was too stabbed. The roof was closed. She was too lesbian. The Belgian cheated! She had Sjogren's. She was distracted due to her divorce. She suffered from racism. She wasn't allowed to scream. It was an ace! She suffered from homophobia. She played with wood. She didn't care for non-slams. The umpire was blind. The crowd was mean. She suffered from racism.
American psycho.
@@tobiasisback4605 She was too old, the roof was closed, she had lost motivation, she had knee surgery in 86 (C. Evert).
She was too old, she was too lesbian, she was burned out in 87, her 6th-best year ever was not peak anymore (M. Navratilova).
She was too young, she was too stabbed, she didn't grunt, the serve was an ace, she didn't care for non-slams (M. Seles).
She was a victim of racism, she was a victim of sexism, it was no foot fault, she had a blood clot, the lines people were blind, the scream didn't hinder Stosur, Indian Wells, she was pregnant, 3 years in Compton were so tough, her half-sister was killed (S. Williams).
Americans are the masters of excuses.
@@tobiasisback4605 I just wanted to mention it since it is usually US tennis fans who come up with the weirdest excuses for their faves' losses against Steffi.
For sure steffi would dominate todays game using the new strings and racquets.
I doubt this. Well she was maybe in her teens in 87 but one thing very noticeable is the overused of slice backhand. In today's women's tennis it is very seldom use. Graf would have a hard time against Henin and Serena. Again I am not very familiar with Graf. I saw her defeat of Hingis tho in the mid 90s and she's really good but I think not enough to dominate the women's tennis today.
Not really, Graf only dominated because Seles, her main rival, and the first women's power player, was stabbed. Honestly, Graf would struggle even against the likes of Clijsters or Davenport, let alone Serena.
@@fwiffo1376 fake news. She had an 8-6 record against Davenport and 1-0 vs Clijsters. 1-1 Serena, 3-2 vs Venus, 10-5 vs Seles, 7-2 vs Hingis but again most of those matches were the last couple years of her career and she had been injured for 3 years. Graf was out of this world dominant.
Gentian Mullaj The fact she lost so many of those matches shows she wouldn’t dominate, but she’d be a top player.
@@fwiffo1376 😂😂
I wonder if raising the net a few inches would bring the S&V game back. Such a beautiful contrast of baseliners and volleyers pre 2000.
I think speeding up the courts would bring some measure of serve and volleying back in tennis.
Wta4hand right. Raising the net wouldn’t bring back serve and volley. It would make it harder to serve as big - more players would rely on topspin and slice serves to overcome the new net height. It would further reinforce the topspin of today’s players, given the added net clearance. Speeding up the courts and balls makes the most sense in terms of getting more players to play an aggressive style.
@@iamshadowbanned699it would make sense for women’s tennis, which never suffered from the super big serve mania the men’s tour when through in the late 90s early 2000s. In many ways the changes made men’s tennis more appealing but didn’t bring the same benefits to women’s tennis.
Compare this to Bianca Andreescu vs Taylor Townsend @ US Open 2019 R4 and the difference is mind blowing. The girls of 2019 have so much more power!
GoTeam - That for sure, but Bianca literally is a powehouse lashing out in full fury. These 2 seem to have quite slower raquet head speeds.
And they have so much less finesse. And their understanding of strategy is so much worse!
And Max Verstappen is so much faster than Ayrton Senna ever was!
From the highlights, you would be forgiven for thinking Graf was winning both sets!
Yes! 😂
After this year Steffi Graf started winning against Martina
Baby Steffi had destroyed Navratilova already twice before:
In May 1986 as a 16-year-old she humiliated a 29-year-old Martina with 62 63 in Berlin.
And in March 1987 a 17-year-old Steffi schooled a 30-year-old Martina with 63 62 in Key Biscayne.
Martina managed to win that first set despite hardly hitting any winners...I guess Graf made more errors than usual. Some great volleying here by Navratilova.
It was an odd performance from Steffi. She played a fairly up and down tournament all round and I think a lot of it was because she had just become world number one and was having problems adjusting to the pressure
@@th8257 That's a good point. I didn't actually see the final but I did see the matches versus Shriver and McNeil and both performances.were a bit iffy. Perhaps the pressure was getting to her. No such problems in 1988 haha.
Tristan Ferguson, what a load of CRAP lol!!!. Martina won the match fair and square and to suggest Graf was "adjusting to the pressure of being world number one" is also a load of CRAP lol!!!. Martina had beaten her at Wimbledon that year and so won the 2 most important titles and so DESERVED to be world number one!!!. Martina was also 12 years OLDER than Graf when Graf was in her prime and Graf NEVER played like she felt pressure after all she was German and didn't even feel or display hardly any emotions on court!!!. If you read Chris Evert's book, when Graf used to beat players very easily in the first rounds of tournaments, she NEVER spoke to her opponents in the locker room or offer any encouragement whatsoever and she wasn't liked by many of the players!!!. Finally, many people think that either Graf or Serena Williams is the GOAT of women's tennis.......WRONG!!!. When you take EVERYTHING into consideration, Martina is QUITE CLEARLY the GOAT!!!. Being the GOAT is so much more than just how many Grand Slam singles titles a player wins, male or female and Martina holds the WORLD RECORD of 9 singles titles at the greatest tennis tournament in the world, Wimbledon......she's won over 167 MAJOR singles titles and over 177 MAJOR doubles titles......need I go on lol!!!.
Go Team, LMFAO!!!. You obviously know NOTHING about tennis lol!!!. Martina won 4 French Open titles and in 1984 received a million dollar bonus for holding all four Grand Slam titles lol!!!. Her record in singles, doubles and mixed doubles will NEVER be equalled never mind beaten!!!. You can't stand the fact that you know I'm right and there's NOTHING you can say or do to change that lol!!!. You're that jealous that you dispute everything I say yet it came from the players themselves so are you calling them liars lol!!!. You're forgetting the most important stat of all........Graf was 12 years YOUNGER than Martina and yet Martina STILL beat her TWICE in 1987 at Wimbledon and the US Open lol!!!. Game, set and match to Martina lol!!!.
@@TheDiana1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graf%E2%80%93Navratilova_rivalry
What a disgrace at the end with "going to college football" and sadly it still goes on.
Great match. Another classic.
@ Jameschung81. The 1987 U.S. Open Women's Final between Navratilova and Graf was not a great match. Navratilova won it in straight sets and the quality of play was not great, especially in terms of Graf's play. Graf didn't play well and then after the match made the excuse that she had a toothache.
@ Illya Kuryakin. First, Graf DID make the lame excuse of a toothache having caused her loss to Navratilova in the 1987 U.S.Open Women's Final. Second, only an idiot like you would bring up someone's nationality just because you disagree with a comment he or she makes! Third, your referring to Serena Willams in one of your comments as a "fat black hippo" is not only disgusting but racist as well! I am not a Serena Williams fan, but it is totally appalling that anyone would derogatorily refer to her as a "fat black hippo"! You totally undermine any potentially valid points you attempt to make about the game of tennis in your comments with your indefensable, disgusting remarks!
@ Illya Kuryakin. First, your memory is obviously flawed because it is a fact that Graf did mention a toothache after she lost to Navratilova in the '87 U.S. Open Women's Singles Final! Second, you obviously need to consult a little thing called a dictionary! If someone derogatorily called Graf "horseface" that is NOT a racist comment although it is a disgusting comment. And to characterize someone's disgusting comment about Graf's looks as "more racist" than your deplorable, blatantly racist comment about Serena Williams is certifiably ludicrous! Of course trying to have a rational discussion with an irrational racist like you is a total waste of time! Third, exactly what research did you do to come up with the exceedingly dubious statistic that 80% of the "Graf-haters" are American? You obviously hate Americans for no rational reason at all. Of course hatred is an irrational and unhealthy emotion in the first place.
Michael Barlow Thank you for really taking your time out to express how you really feel about my thought towards this GREAT CLASSIC MATCH. We definitely need less human kind like you so there will be peace.
Illya Kuryakin something is wrong with him 😂.
Steffi playing style is similar to Roger Federer so much elegance.
May be Fed is inspired by her .. styles r similar and few shots u just can’t think of anyone else but federer
There was never any elegance in her tennis. She was the only one who could play just like that and no one should ever try to play like her. It would easily lead to some serious injury.
tq IIIya
10:00- Graf racket flip.
Thank you for posting (really), but as I watch the highlights, Graf wins the 1st point, then the 2nd, the 3rd, the 4th, and the 5th before Martina is finally shown winning a point. When Martina wins the first set, you are kind of surprised because, leading up to it in the highlights, Graf is the one winning most of the points. Martina never really got the respect she deserved, career wise, and she now can't even get it in tennis highlights, wow!I Reality check: Martina won 167 career singles titles (all-time best in the Open Era) and 177 pro doubles titles and had tennis' longest singles winning streak ever (74 matches) versus Graf's 107 career singles titles and 11 doubles titles. It's pretty obvious who ranks higher on the the GOAT list between the two of them.
She is an utterly tremendous champion, and given her background, the challenges with her sexuality, changing her nationality and defecting to the U.S etc, the continued and vicious harrassment she received from the press, difficulties securing sponsorships due to being gay, she really did have a lot to be up against. And all this against the backdrop of battling the greatest baseliner of them all, and darling of the media - Evert. That they both gave so very much to women's tennis, carrying its torch til it could be handed over to the likes of Graf, is testament to their mindsets and the special place they held in their hearts for others.
Interestingly, it is only in recent years that the physical and emotional difficulties they experienced during their years in tour have come to prominence. Of course we witness on this site those crazed fanatics of successor players who seek to diminish Nav's & Evert's manifest achievements by making commentary regarding their physicality, sexuality, age etc. It's all the stuff of deluded, narcissistic, likely undiagnosed ( and therefore untreated) imbeciles. King, Evert and Navratilova gave us all the women's tour to enjoy. Players, commentators and fans alike have described them both as living legends, and Nav' the GOAT. She achieved so much within the context of those aformentioned interpersonal rivalries, as well as the consistent onslaught of Evert, who showed such tenacity in finally wrestling the No1 spot from her in '85. Nav' lived with the ever present spectre of Evert to sharpen her determination to stay one step ahead. Graf and Seles might have enjoyed a similar rivalry, save for the tragic events which overtook their times; that's a crying shame for true tennis fans everywhere. I've watched commentary in recent years from Davenport, Austin, McEnroe, Wade, Wilander and even King - all of whom openly stated that had Seles not been so tragically removed from the game at that time, Graf could have hoped for 50% of the titles she eventually won thereafter. i think that's a fair assessment. In their rivalry they each needed each other, and they were denied the chance to become even greater than they each were.
Navratilova is undoubtedly the greatest athlete in women's tennis - bar none. She changed the game and set the bar for what it currently is - and remember, she and Evert were products of 1950's tennis! Graf, Seles et al were a response to Martina's punishing game. Nav's game was a necessary evolution in her quest to overcome Evert's metronomic baseline abilities. They each made the other much better. All these players described are worthy of celebration and honour. I've listened, in person, to commentators the world over - India to the USA, UK to Japan, all agreeing that her achievements are currently unmatched. I've yet to see convincing contra evidence for this assertion, and given the parlous state of the women's game in our time, I can't imagine anyone coming anywhere close.
@John David Ouch John! I'm an Evert fan - and we're not all bonkers ;-) Every player has their crazed, aggrieved, nutcase following - I loved watching Chrissie but still adore seeing Martina in live action when I can. She is just amazing. I do agree with you though; it's hard to state on UA-cam how much you admire one player without being derided by fans of another. I guess UA-cam is often just a forum for mouth-running, unthinking sorts, which is a shame for real fans everywhere!
@John David Evert.com is a legend, and you could only wish to be half the tennis enthusiast and knowledgeable and fair minded tennis expert she is. And speaking of trying to rewrite history, 9-9 is not a winning head to head no matter how you spin it, despite Martina having more matches in her (82-87) prime than Graf's (88-96 and 99) and purposely avoiding Graf on slow courts after peak Martina got CRUSHED by baby Graf at the 86 Hamburg event and again at 87 Miami's slower hard courts. And Graf leads 4-2 in slam finals which everyone except you would agree if you want a tiebreaker is a far more important one than 4-5 in slams, especialy when the semi final winner went on to lose the final in 2 of those. Pot. kettle. black.
Navratilova is also 7-10 vs Seles, not a winning head to head. And thankfully for your hero Martina, Billie Jean King kept returning to play on bad knees until nearly 40 since if she retired after 79 she would have a winning head to head with 23 year old world #1 Navratilova, despite every single match being from 77-79 when Martina was aged 20 to 23 and King aged 34 to 36. Ouch. Did I mention world #2 Martina aged 22 and 23 took a 6-1, 6-2 loss to 35 year old King on grass and a 6-1, 6-3 loss to 36 year old King on carpet, her favorite surfaces. Even in their 2nd last meeting at Wimbledon 80 the 23 year old world #1 Martina barely beat a 36 year old King 10-8 in the 3rd set after King served for the match. See this is fun ain't it.
@John David Graf leads Navratilova at 3 of the 4 slams, weeks at #1, Year End #1s. So basically all you have for Navratilova is leading in 1 of the 4 most important tournaments and the 5th most important tournament (YEC). Graf leads Navratilova 4-2 in slam finals which is a far more important stat than 5-4 in slams, particularly when the winner of 2 of the 3 semis went on lose the final (aka 4 of 7 times the match was the title decider Graf won). This all despite that they played more matches (10) in Martina's prime of 82-87, than the 8 they played in Graf's prime of 88-96, and Martina purposely went out of her way to avoid Graf on slower courts after baby Graf thumped peak Navratilova super hard at Hamburg 86, and did again on the slow-medium hard courts in Miami in early 87.
I also laugh how you trumpet Martina FINALLY getting another win over Graf, her first ever win over prime Graf in 4 years of trying, at the 91 U.S Open, when even that took a whopping 4 years, and took facing Graf in a horrendous year she lost a slam semi to Sanchez 6-2, 6-0 and lost nearly every match she played to Sabatini. I bet Graf aged 30-34 would not have taken a whole 4 years to beat any other fellow all time great in their prime again, not even Serena, the way Martina did Graf. If you want a comparision look at Navratilova's late 80-early 81 results when she had a similar terrible year run of form to 91 Graf, when she lost 3 times to a 15 year old Jaeger (lol), and lost 6-0, 6-0 to Evert, which is about 100 times worse than a single loss to an older still strong Navratilova. Your specific cherry picking of stats to suit your biased arguments and agenda are comical.
Anyway neither is the GOAT at this point, QueenRena is whether the snow white tennis fans like it or not. I already know from your combative irrationaly biased posts on any video I see you commenting that you are a bitter Navratilova fanboy who hates the fact many more people believe Serena and Graf are the GOAT than your beloved Martina these days. And with Serena's difficulty gaining the slam record the previously heavily underrated Court is now talked up more than Martina too. But it is just something you will have to deal with. No matter how many posts you make slamming Graf, slamming Evert fans including the goddess who runs the Evert fan site and posts countless wonderful matches and videoes for our enjoyment, slamming the Williams sisters, Martina is no longer the consensus GOAT if she ever was. Deal.
Most people rank GOAT by slam wins first. Serena has even fewer tournament wins than Graf and most rank her as the GOAT above Graf now. It is also funny since you are one of the Seles fanatics who claims Seles is the GOAT (LOL but anyway) and I am sure even you in all your delusions know there is no way in mother fucking hell she was winning 167 tournaments even without the stabbing, so don't be a hypocrite.
Remember the mullet
Steffi......the female Federer....so elegant 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
ferzy09 totally
That's henin one and only
I think Steffi Graf a German 🇩🇪 ! Fraulein Forehand indeed! The Third (3rd) Best (22) in Grand Slam after Margaret Court (24) and Serena Williams (23)
Steffi was no match against Martina's Ziggy Stardust hairdo that day.
Even though the highlights seem biased in favor of Graf.
I love the mullet. Hot.
As someone said about Martina "It was a shame she retired when she did, just as she was starting to get a decent haircut."
This was the last dominant year for Martina. After this graf just changed gears and along with seles dominated the sport for the next decade.
@Max E In 1987 she still won 2 Grand Slams, and at the US Open also won doubles and mixed.
Martina‘s dominance ended in 1986.
Martina actually beat Graf at USO91 to go 5-4 up in slams. She held Graf to 2-2 from 90-94, despite being in her mid to late thirties.
@@tobiasisback4605 That's only because Martina avoided Steffi on slower surfaces.
After her loss to 17-year-old Steffi at the FO 87 they played 10 more matches:
- 3 on grass
- 4 on carpet
- 3 on (fast) USO hard courts.
Still Steffi won 6 of those 10 matches.
That is Steffi's beauty - she was at least top three in the world on every surface.
And that makes her the GOAT according to most fans and experts.
@@carrerau7138 Graf isn’t the best on any surface nor at any slam, so you have to cobble together these non-records, three of this, four of that etc. And then there's the stabbing that gifted Graf 6 slams against B listers like Mary Joe. Nav was 2-2 h2h with prime Graf aged 33-37. Whereas Graf ran for the hills and retired at 30 - talk about avoidance. 😂
Martina is 13 years older than Steffi!
Illya Kuryakin Steffi has the youth advantage that’s for sure. Navratilova past 1987 was not as fast and lost speed from her serve. Plus mentally, Martina’s also dwindled as she got older. Proof of fact: Martina only managed to beat Steffi twice (US Open 1991 & Tokyo Indoors 1993) when Martina was clearly older, past her prime. Steffi in the meantime was already at her peak.
@Illya Kuryakin And Martina was almost 13 years older than Steffi.
@Illya Kuryakin Boy Oh Boy, you really are a Huge Steffi Graf fan! OMG, No one can say anything negative at all or even a little tiny bit against your precious Steffi Graf. She can't do No wrong & she was definirely the greatest women's player to ever hit a tennis ball. Ok, I get it & everybody here on UA-cam gets it. You love her. So, I'm just going to stay away from any post I see your name. Especially, if it's a Steffi Graf post.
@Illya Kuryakin its got to be graf and graf for everr..
@@stevenmichael4990 Indeed - they're often littered with little else but dissonant nonsense, thinly veiled contempt for any other player, and unsubstantiated tripe highlighting "its" own biases. I say "it" due to the fact the individual has multiple accounts, often jumping from one to the other to agree with itself. I dunno about you, but in my country that kind of behaviour gets you a community mental health nurse assigned as a minimum ^^
Where was the lob to Martina's backhand corner??? Waaay too many shots right at Martina at the net. Looks like a fixed match.
Steffi the GOAT! Federer stole her style of play, no one can play like them♥️♥️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
are you nuts? federer has class, graf had none. and besides, federer has drive backhand aside from his slices, but graf slices 99% of the time.
@Max E yes, graf is classiest than putinseva and ostapenko.
@Max E you're still dreaming. Watch her videos where she loses then tell yourself she is full of grace 🤣
@Max E sore loser queen steffi is anything but professional when she loses.
@Max E Serena and Steffi both belong to the same league of Sore Losers Queen. Steffi during her era, and Serena during her era.
とても良かった‼️
Now could you imagine how many more Grand Slam titles Martina would of had playing mixed with McEnroe they both were Amazing Doubles players .I do not think anyone would of stopped them they would of had at least 12 more Slams. Martina had great hands she wanted this match.You could also see Steffi was up next to take over.Plus it was Amazing to see Steffi playing points with a ball in her hand great balance and control.
Yes!! This is not pointed out by many. Playing the point with the second ball in your hand (it means your first serve was good), was a bit more common with the older eras, and Steffi was one of the last to do that, even being one of the very few moder era players to that. Why do that? I have no idea. It doesn't make sense, and isn't practical. But players such as Steffi did that. She stopped holding two balls at first serve, sometime after she achieved her Golden Slam.
Boy Steffi changed the woman's game enormously with power, and the era of moving the ball around and waiting for your opponent to make a mistake was over.
Monica beat up Steffi pretty good. 😆
Monica changed women's tennis...not Steffi.
People talk about courts being slow now, but this is almost like slow motion!
Andrew Mark, this was 32 years ago when they didn't have the technology or the power they have nowadays.....DUH LOL!!!.
Slowing the game down is an art that most players (men included) have not mastered these days.
Look at Federer. His game is undoubtedly "softer" than those of the other guys, yet he reigns surpreme as the best of his generation.
@@TheDiana1 I know that. There's no need to be so petty. My point was that people NOW complain about the slow courts of today, but they played much slower back in these days.
Navratilova is the GOAT
@Ilya Kuryakin The mmm ok Steffi with the nonexistent back hand would be no where near her final records if Seles was not stubbed (by a Graff fan who did not even do one day in prison btw) Seles was wiping the floor with her by the age of 19 she won 6 slams including 3 (out of 4 finals) from Graff .. Seles knew how to beat Graff and Im sure that she would have continued and because that lunatic knew that he decided to take her out, Graff will always have that shadow over her carrier
The all time rankings go:
1. Serena
--------------------huge gap---------------------------
2. Graf
3. Court
4. Lenglen/Wills tie
6. Evert/Navratilova tie (Evert better overall career in singles, but Martina has doubles success too)
8. Connolly (would be GOAT without her horse accident or 2nd to GOATrena)
9. King
10. Venus, Seles, Henin, or Gibson
@@thoukisth Graff and carrier aren't even words. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even speak proper English. By your logic though Seles was some goddess and was on her way to 40 slams in your bizarre fantasy world so that would make her GOAT or 2nd to GOATrena, and Navratilova could never be GOAT as you claim anyway then.
@@richardross4677 My native language is Greek ... when you learn Greek as good as I write and speak English we ll talk again you arrogant piece of shit (are these words good enough for you)??? Seles had 6 slams by the time she was 19 and was terrorising Graf in the process ... (an absolute joy to watch always) logically she would have continued, I mean she was on a row its common sense, of course we will never know but ...it is just simple common sense
@@richardross4677 there is no known universe in which this arrogant ball blasting bully is the G.O.A.T., records don't automatically qualify you for the part, her tennis skills are pretty low down the best ever list and just to clarify its Navratilova, Seles, Henin, Evert, Clijsters, Graf, Hingins and then may be Serena, but you are right about one thing she is better than Court
Looking back now, they have wasted so much energy with unnecessary long rallies. They both played the ball rather short and into each other's hands.
You haven’t played with these rackets have you?
How many points did Navratilova lose by almost always predictably choosing to volley at the middle of the net.
The female versions of Dyokovic and Nadal of their time.
STEFFI should have won this championship, but she got sick b4 the final.
Graf hit a ball while holding another ball on her left hand
Commentator on 4:10: "HE made it!"...seriously?
he = the ball
She's the man
Never forget that Steffi had just turned 18 whereas Martina was 30 years old.
Big advantage for Navi!
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Graf retired at 30 😅
@@tobiasisback4605 Exactly, she would have won many more slams - at least according to Davenport, Capriati, Date, Petkovic.
@@carrerau7138 So when the 30 year old Graf met and was defeated by the 17 year old Serena, being 30 was a big advantage for Graf?
@@tobiasisback4605 Yes, of course.
Because 30-year-olds usually beat 17-year-olds.
Cold handshake again from Steffi graf
Actually this was a VERY decent defeat handshakes by Graf's standards! I know that doesn't say much but it's true. There are other matches she lost when she wouldn't even look at her opponent during the handshake and Martina was at the receiving end of that too.
@Max E I don't get what you're trying to say. Did you mean it's NOT as bad as threatening to kill a kinswoman? You are obviously referring to Serena, whom I don't care for as a person. I think threatening a lineswoman is worse than not looking at your opponent during the handshake but not having the courtesy to look at your opponent during the handshake is quite gangster to me.
@Max E Nationalistic fanaticism? WTF! Are you ok dude? You forgot your medication today? Gangster just means ghetto and low class and inappropriate. Learn American jargon before you go crazy ok.
@@guyinsfAnd yet another bitter Yankee… 😂
You don't ever see women's tennis like this anymore. Its all baseline put you to sleep garbage.
That thumbnail though 😂😅🙈
10:36 That french kiss with Renée Richards though ...
French kiss means tongues. That was just a normal kiss. You must be blind.
@@guyinsf I obviously exaggerated for the sake of emphasis. Duh.
Santosh Singh bombay long tennis game camera is not good telecast not good programing scheduled is not good replay not good lot their improvment is needed upto international telecast
Naftalina
What a cold handshake by Steffi. She was never known for her sportsmanship.
Steffi would win any poll about the classiest top player ever.
Steffi never threatened opponents, umpires, lineswomen like Serena.
Steffi never trash talked about other players like Navratilova.
Steffi never cheated a husband like Evert.
Steffi never insulted LBTG+# people like Court.
@@carrerau7138Bingo. Never were there such ones like the Williams. Totally untennis, not exemplifying the tennis conduct and culture. Just out of place. As for Steffi, her abrupt handshakes were known early on, but it was because of her overperfectionism and too harsh on herself. But she still made sure to shake hands instead of walking off or screaming obscenities!
Steffi always very arrogant....the way she exchanged with Martina 🤔🤔🤔🤔 that's not right spirit. I always like seles the way she behaved. Love u seles for me u r always be no 1 player. Love form India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
arrogant?? More shy. She gave a good smile at Martina when shaking hands, don't know what you are on...
Yea, she was shy, not arrogant.
Agree. Not only arrogant but often showed bad sportsmanship. She and Andre deserve each other.
@@alexander_reichmann bad sportsmanship? You must have the strongest anti-Steffi glasses I ever have seen. Or maybe you are mixing her with Serena?
@@peterhammer6915 Rena is an angel compared to Steffi. But well, it's not like she was the worst either. I mean, she's not Justine 😉
OMG the HAIR !!!!!!
hlias Memmos round the fanny !
Graft is rude
Steffi was a total class act
Ha! Hardly. When Graf lost, she barely shook hands at the net (like a wet washcloth), and she never gave her opponents any credit. Sour grapes!
Steffi was a poor sport...I have watched her matches and when she loses her body language is as cold as ice.
Steffi was a brat. 😆
these dudes can play. who won the women's final that year?
Graf was very talented but so boring to watch, imo
What the hell u talking about ?
A bit like Nick Lidstrom of hockey; highly effective but not much style. If you don't see it then you're blind.
@GoTeam good point with the footwork. And she was classy and composed. No doubt about that. But still boring to watch.
@GoTeam Really! Ok... I'm cool with that.
But who you think is not boring to watch?
Hey, nice thumbnail. Looks like Terminator against Adolf Hitler. Aahaahh!! Ja, bhring it ze fak on, baby!
It is mean to compare Martina with Adolf H.!
But yes, the great Steffi was like a Terminator. She terminated the Evertilova era.
Won 8 of her last 8 matches against Chris.
And 6 of her last 6 matches against Martina.
There is still a lot of bitterness among certain American tennis fans because of this!
@@carrerau7138 ass-whoopin' ain't a common favorite, I hear!
Navratilova is very slow compare to current players
Balloney.
Thank God Monica Seles came n brought speed. This ain't it...
Exactly... This is boring.... I watched a Wimbledon match between evert and Tracy Austin it was slow asf
@@yaniis44 listen I wouldn't have been a tennis fan if this was how they still played... Looking slow asf fuck like golf. Monica Seles came n brought fire everyone woke up
You're both very stupid.
mfimh0901 Agreed, and I’m a Seles fan (who happens to also love these two.)
@@mfimh0901 it was boring AF people are entitled to their opinions.
Steffi acting just the same as I remember her in the 90s. Never showed any class, no respect for her opponents at the net.
She shook Martina's hand and even smiled at her. Where's the problem? And even if Steffi didn't smile at her, a handshake was just a procedure at that time. These days, it's all about putting on a superficial display.
back before we had a juiced-up Mike Tyson in a skirt out there
Shut up you dumb ass racist just remember who the best is 23 😉
@Illya Kuryakin you know what was racist about it dummy but I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge that cuz you say the same stupid shit on here . So stay mad to you too 😜 23
I thought Martina was white