Elon Musks Teslabot "AUTONOMOUS" UPDATE (Teslabot Gen-2 Update)
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- Elon Musks Teslabot "AUTONOMOUS" UPDATE (Teslabot Gen-2 Update)
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Lots of people msising the point here. It IS Autonomous as shown.
The teleoperators are GATHERING data so that when it is AUTONOMOUS it can do tasks well.
What do you think about quality vs quantity?
Come back with it ONCE it's actually ready.....So tired of all this fake demos.
Tesla has spent all credibility, giving them the benefit of the doubt is ridiculous. Their track record is what it is.
Why not just use UE5? They are taking the hard route to do something simple.
@@luckyape But there isn't any doubt to give them the benefit of. You are just obviously a troll or a hater. Besides, Tesla has a fantastic track record.
These things are always walking around like they shit their pants.
The battery poop needs to go somewhere.
Like crooked Joe Biden
dude, they are basically literal new borns lol talk to them in 5, 10, 100 years
@@schuylerhaussmann6877 or insurrection inciter Trump
@@schuylerhaussmann6877 Someone got triggered.
Too bad the robot is trained to be right hand dominate instead of using the hand closest to the task. A robot should never cross midline.
I would think in full production he would be using both hands at the same time.
"A robot should never cross the midline."
Ok, Asimov. Thanks for that much needed 4th law of robotics😑
@@justinwescott8125 you beat me to it
The rail that the battery packs are on is in the way for using the left arm for the task, using the right arm is correct.
There are 2 tasks here.
A human would use both hands, the left to take the battery and the right to put it in the basket.
If Chinese kid would work that slow he will be fed to dragons
Oh! You are hilarious!
Just because the robots seem to be trained to fold laundry, does not mean the robot is trained to fold laundry. The same way an LLM scrapes large amounts of text, does not mean an LLM will repeat that text verbatim. Tesla is most likely building up a 'library' of motion and tasks, that then feed into the neural network, from where a robot can reason and pick which movement or approach would be the best. There is currently no real repository of motion vs task libraries to train on, like ImageNet is used for object/image recognition.
Imagine, pretty soon they will train this robots on youtube videos, where AI will derive tactics from to best solve a task .
Something like UE5 would probably be easier.
@@monkeybird69 Yes it`s very efficient to train through simulation i`m pretty sure they will do or are doing it but training in the real world has many benefits too, you can`t simulate every aspect of the world in the computer.
@@monkeybird69 Nvidia took that and added 1-1 physics classes to Everything. They created every physical object device & interaction 1-1 scale. It’s being updated all the time using a vast information pipeline in Real Time too. It’s called the Isaaac Gym. A robot can be. Trained to do anything in there. Depending on the compute you have you can train 100000 of them practicing a task at a speeded up speed for the equivalent of say 5 years. Since everything is 1-1 the data can go directly into a physical robot to do tasks in the real world and … they know Kung fu ( old matrix joke )
@@T1tusCr0w lol I like that
Telsa is using task specific human reinforcement training. The robots will be trained for a specific task by a human and will then repeat it
So amazing that Minamous can use one hand to move things while every other robot uses both hands. Amazing. 🙄
AI and humanoid robots are set to roll out and take over.
Judging from the amount already built and waiting in storage I would say the time is nearly here.
Pure Elan Mush fantasy. The takeover is centuries away, and maybe never.
Maintenance / repair/ insurance for these things is going to be a nightmare
Cheaper than maintaining a wife. 😂
Do you think it's going to be any worse than employers having to provide expensive health insurance for the human workers and having to deal with humans calling in sick or humans suing the company for getting injured on the job and the company having to pay workers comp.... or women workers needing 3 months off to have a baby or humans needing vacation time and the employer having to find a part time worker to fill in while the worker is off? We will just have to see.
You could say the exact same thing about humans
Remember an earlier demo where an other robot repaired the robot?
Don't worry, AI will do it
The Isaac gym seems like a much better way to train these models. Give the models a goal and let them figured out for themselves.
Agree. Teleop training is very obviously going to way of the Dodo bird.
@@JohnSmith762A11BVery obviously, other than one of the world’s largest companies spending training one of the world’s best humanoid robots using this technique. Different techniques are useful in different circumstances.
Robot is definitely getting fired at the factory if he works that slow!
Wait till tomorrow lol
He works 24h a day
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Teaching skynet the basic task of reloading guns.
A demo I would find more compelling is if some randomness was introduced to the object placements: In the opening demo, move the red tray around a bit once in a while or rotate it, and don't neatly place the next can to pick up in the same exact position the preceding one had occupied. Many of these demos look as if it works only if everything is placed just so.
Yes, its all carefully choreographed, as a PR stunt. The real world is highly complex and highly variable.
I would love to watch a live stream of the Teslabot walking around those offices interacting with people and its surroundings. Otherwise it could all be preprogrammed movement. Kinda seemed like people were controlling them in part of that clip.
I'd like to see a Tesla bot working while chatting with a human co-worker about the latest sports results.
@@JohnSmith762A11B lol yeah who needs a portable AI agent when you can chat with a humanoid robot?
@@JohnSmith762A11B The Tesla bot will be sitting outside the offices with a homeless sign by the looks of what is happening at Tesla lately.
@@monkeybird69 You know times are tough when even the humanoid robots can't find work.
For those wondering, the human hand has 27 degrees of freedom. 22 degrees of freedom seems a lot more reasonable then just 11 in the current Optimus hand
American trained robots are going to use an expletive when the items gets stuck
Wait till you see how angry Optimus gets when it learns its salary.
Hahahahahahahah
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Would it make any difference if the robot see with 2 cameras like our eyes to calculate better the depth of field?
And what about the teleoperators have the same objects to manipulate instead of doing the movements in the air, maybe the teleoperators would be able to do it faster, would need to do the robot and the teleoperator positioning at exact the same distance of the objects
If there’s a way of the teleoperator see on their vr headset the image coming from 2 cameras from the bot maybe could help the teleoperators have more sense of the depth of field and manipulate better than seeing one flat 2D image
Don’t know if it make sense
Just a thought 🤔
I want to see how easy this robot is to train for new tasks
It's teleop. It's not doing any tasks
@@reginald7214 I think they are using teleop for training, but that is dumb, slow, manual and super repetitive.
It's been trained for NO tasks. At 46 seconds you see it's being operated by a human.
@@joe_limon indeed, at least they didn't try to fake the video this time like with the shirt folding. Elon got busted last time
Interestingly if you think about current robots in the home which are vacuum and lawn mower, we can surmise that owning a robot such as this we no longer will require those robots, and instead this robot can do all of those tasks with basic equipment. Those companies will go belly up when something like this is in the home. And considering lawn care leads me to landscaping tasks. That leads me to painting, and then trades.
Optimus can do nothing useful for a consumer, in a home setting: laundry, dishes, cook dinner, wash the car.
Optimus can barely walk across a perfectly flat floor at 1 mph. Like a turtle.
I think the point of my post went well over your head. Maybe next time.
@@JoshuaMillerDev You have *unfounded* optimism that Elon will be able to keep his promises about the slow clumsy Optimus bot.
Elon made some big promises about FSD and Robotaxis, which were totally bogus. His words should be treated with skepticism.
@@DerekDavis213 You should research a condition called "Confirmation Bias". I didn't really mean "this robot" to indicate only Elon's (Tesla). Any. FSD 12.4 is pretty amazing, you should check it out.
I think this is pretty amazing... Many robots out there do not stabilize their position through the movements of the hip and legs!... but be aware of all the people who don't get what teleoperating training is... I bet, they learned walking all by themselves and no one ever lend them a hand, and I am pretty sure, no one taught them how to write, so they can write these comments here 🙄 There are many things in our human world which people got teleoperated in a sense like that too, they place your hand, show you how to stand etc. That is pretty much the same. I play the violin and in the beginning my teacher was frequently putting my hand right, that is absolutely normal because if they wouldn't do it, you can develop wrong movements and positions... but hell, I am no human, I must be just a robot who is too dumb to learn to play the violin without any help...
#fakenews. REMOTE CONTROL sorting batteries in slow motion is an EMBARASSING attempt at a stock pump. This is a cheap children's toy.
@@dynomotivedyno9194 You have absolutely no proof that the battery sorting was done by remote control. Obviously there was teleoperation in the training phase in order to teach the neural net but then it specifically says that the sorting was autonomous. There is no evidence that the optimus robot is a "cheap children's toy". That is a very silly and childish comment.
@jlrutube1312 Compared to Boston Dynamics, it definitely is.
I'm sure BD is taking notes from its competitors. They just released a robot that is similar to what these guys are putting out after seeing their success. Not that they saw their success and then decided to emulate it, but rather, they saw that direction had more promise than they had thought, and they decided to promote a long-going internal project to be market visible.
@@alexanderstreng4265 RIGHT!!?? Like it's not even close, and these Tesla pumpers and shills pretend like they've never seen a robot before.
4:35 We’d have to make the world wheelchair accessible.
The horror.
This guy is constantly like four sentences ahead of himself 😂 love this channel.
Walking around the office like that is what I never did. I didn't want to get fired
Why not use both hands? Better still give him 8 arms that all work at the same time.
I can't wait for the first Robotic Olympics!
And watch global politics ruin them.
What stops it being faster?
Imagine 2 years from now 😮
#fakenews. REMOTE CONTROL sorting batteries in slow motion is an EMBARASSING attempt at a stock pump.
@@dynomotivedyno9194 Sorting batteries, versus Atlas *supremacy* . Basically no comparison.
The battery loading demo could easily be done with a none humanoid robot.
Tesla needs to do a livestream of them training the robots, it would ne so cool !
Elon says hand will have 22 dof. Does that mean 2x11, or do they have a much more advanced hand than the one shown? That would indicate a major commitment to an android form factor to enable simple teleoperation based rote training for each individual task. This is in contrast to Sanctuary, were they appear to going for a more generalized approach with a wheeled humanoid, were tasks are built upon a series of action primitives. The latter approach seems like the way to go ultimately. Otherwise deployment will always be relatively expensive.
It's 22 DoF for the entire bot, not just the hand.
It literally says in the tweet 22 DoF for the hand@@DefaultFlame
@@cybertruck2008 I missed that actually. Whoops.
One of the next step would be to make more human like feet. Why, easy try walking like optimus (keep your feet as straight as possible) and you'll see you lose speed and equilibrium.
They should make a feet like in 3d animation the hard step is to make all the toes and all the joints, the easy step is to split the foot in two, the forward part where you can stand on and the backward part where your heel is.)
That way they could walk faster, heck even run and most importantly they should be more stable therefor they could walk on more difficult terrain. (Best exemple, look at parkour people, they land and do all there crazy jumps but always land on the forward part of there feet, they never, never land on their heels or land flat, they always land on their toes.)
Yeah and it has a tendency to walk completely straight spined, which is counter intuitive to the way people actually walk. Humans tend to lean slightly forward while they walk, gaining momentum easier.
Thank you!
"1 times speed", aka realtime.
I want to buy one to do all the housework
Tesla should move to virtual training over teleop. Teleop training is very slow and you only get maybe a few hundred reps a day versus tens of thousands of reps in seconds in virtual training spaces where you can train at 1000x speeds with full simulated real-world physics. It's fine for Optimus to train via teleop for now for some relatively simple functions but that kind of training is rapidly becoming obsolete. My guess is Tesla is already on this and will soon demonstrate virtual training for Optimus. It's the difference between training on a martial art in a gym from a sensei versus learning Kung Fu like Neo did in 5 seconds in 'The Matrix'.
finally a new update
If one of those robots drops one of those batteries just so, there will be a large explosion if the Cathode touchs a neighboring battery the same time as the outer shell (anode), i.e. in a FULL SHORT of a 4680 cell!
im kinda surprised they arnt going with video only to train, that seems like more the endgoal for a robot you plan to sell. I think teslas biggest advantage over other startups is they know how to build manufacturing at scale.
I'm curious how noisy it actually is (and not just the Teslabot but any robot)
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Amazing!
I could (in time) get use to working along side a robot. They don't spread gossip, tell lousy jokes & they don't wear clothes that look as though they slept in them.
You should tell him how you feel, you never know, you may get your soul mate.
the thing ist; that when they are able to manage one robot properly, they soon will have an army of workers.
It isn't cheaper to use a human to work off-planet.
Back then yes. Maybe those machine will do better job and more efficient, So the cost might be worth for those big companies
When Tesla uses them in their own factories they will sell them to every co in the world
Even with these robots being as slow as they are, they're still more efficient than humans. Humans usually work 10 hours maximum with multiple breaks and take a lot of money, a robot can work 24/7 in any condition and is practically free aside from the single purchase. Eventually it would pay for itself and then some.
They won't even be purchased, most companies will simply lease fleets of them so they always have the latest models. The old models can be refurbed and sold to consumers as household robots.
Will the Tesla Bot fly on Starship HLS first flight to the Moon with a Lunar Cyber Truck to test the HLS Starship on the Moon to check loading & unloading the ship on the moon, if something goes wrong you just lose Telsa Bots instead of Humans
Sam Altman made this same point the other day: don't shoot humans into space, use humanoid robots. This should probably be the case for years until it's proven safe to launch and land and there are large, human-ready, fully-stocked, robot-assembled bases on a place like Mars. Robots on Mars should outnumber humans something like 50 to 1 for decades.
Number of degrees of freedom is meaningless past a very low threshold. You only need about the same number of DoF in terms of joints/actuators in a robot as the amount you want a given part of the robot to move relative to what that part is attached to. So ignoring the fingers, it is sufficient to have 6 degrees of freedom for achieving all possible motions for a hand relative to the body; adding a few more can help make things easier if you're working with designs that have some limitations on the joints, so you would be adding additional ones to compensate for limitation of the hardware/design. Hands might need a little more than expected for thing like gripping with the palm, but even for replicating human hand, it shouldn't be much more than about 4 per finger plus some for the weirder bendings we can do to the hand itself to grasp things without using fingers or with fingers plus additional hand surfaces. The tricky thing about hands is it's a lot of stuff in packed a very small space that needs to be coordinated; for a huge majority of tasks you don't need something that complicated. 22 sounds about right for getting very close to replicating a single human hand if I didn't mess up the math, but that's overkill; there can be much better designs than the human hand, even for most tasks made with human hands in mind. As for the rest of the body, 6 dof per limb for full motion, an additional 24, feet doesn't need to be as advanced as hands, and many bots have demonstrated even stumps already suffice with the right algorithm, so 2 to 4 per feet is already bordering on excessive; for a large part of tasks, you don't even need anything in hips and torso, you can have it all rigid, though adding two or tree to the hip-torso connection, or maybe 4 tops, would suffice to assist with balancing with additional shifts of center of mass. Neck and head are generally more about social than physical necessities, unless you're restricting yourself to very limited sensors that can't simply be aware of the full 360 surroundings simultaneously and/or require some physical stabilization to compensate for movements and vibrations from the rest of the body. So lets see what's the full sum without including hands, which can be simplified significantly if you're not just going for aesthetics: 24 for the four limbs, adding the torso/hips balancing assist gives us 28 at most; make it 32 if you wanna get some extra flex control on the feet to assist with balance..
Why is nobody talking about the "Lavender" "Gospel" or "Where's Daddy?" AI programs?
Your future will be one of strict control.
Almost like our present. Say something controversial and watch what the Google censor bot patrolling UA-cam does.
I think the last task we see is cleaning glass dishes 🤔 T-Butler's...
The teleoperators are gathering data by doing the identical motions that the Bot is doing? Uhh... sorry, but this doesn't look Autonomous to me.
these will be great for assisting elderly with tasks they cant do, no more relying on human helpers who abuse or take advantage of the elderly.
Tesla has to get beyond human teleoperation training.
❤
Surprised no one is covering Story Diffusion ?!?!? Seems not as good as Sora but runs on only 8 cores ...
Still teleop. Weak
Yup, cheap attempt at a stock pump so Elon's army for Tesla pumpers goes on UA-cam and hypes this TOY.
@@dynomotivedyno9194 well said
@7:52 side quest. Let the human in the middle know, that he is overextending his knees, thereby putting a lot of stress on his lower back
So a rock created a human.
This is just a demo, robots will NEVER work at scale for so many reasons! Our jobs are safe 😎
i want to see it play hop scotch against atlas 2
why arent they doing this in Isaac Sim?
would be sick to have a bank of active bots to then access and deploy to achieve tasks
Yes, teleop is a legacy training method these days. My guess is it takes significant time to build out the factory in Isaac (or even parts of it) and they can do teleop for now while waiting for a Tesla factory in Isaac to come online. I'm sure Optimus will be training at least partially in virtual space soon.
Tesla is sinkig, 14k fired, Supercharger team fired, Elon looking for the golden parachute!
Better dazzle the tech bros with more vaporware!
(hint, they are not trained, they are directly controlled lol)
How is this AUTONOMOUS if the teleoperators are standing next to the robot? Maybe it's a nice platform demo, in which case, call it that.
It literally says autonomous in the top hand right. The teleoperators are the ones TRAINING the robot, collecting data
@@TheAiGrid Look, I don't want to argue this. But I refuse to let corporations tell us what words mean. Definition of AUTONOMOUS: "independent and having the power to make your own decisions." That would be AGI, I know. It's a big deal. Any day now, we'll have full autonomy. The current teleoperated training stuff is not AGI, and as such, it is not AUTONOMOUS. Words still have meaning. Even if we don't have a future after AGI, at least we can defend meaning as we once knew it.
Yup. #fakenews. A children's toy sorting batteries in slow motion by remote control is an EMBARRASSMENT.
@@TheMrCougarfulautonomous does not equal AGI.
I agree that this demo isn't impressive.. Showing teleoperators controlling them isnt as impressive as showing Optimus being fully autonomous.
Why is no one in the office?
They have all been replaced by this supposedly more efficient, shuffling at turtle pace robot 😂.... 😢oh dear
@@Cross-CutFilms 😂😆
Massive Tesla layoffs.
Layoffs.
I'll really be impressed when it can tie its own shoelaces...
TSLA stock looking better.
I think they should have another bot watching the teleoperators so they can also be training it to train itself based on just watching somebody.
i want them to have skins, a face already
It’s really weird how it takes you 10 minutes to verbally explain something that was completely understood from a two minute video that never spoke a single word.
watching these robotic demos reminds me of that quote: be careful what you wish for🧐
Robocop
There are many humanoid robots that can do much more complex tasks autonomously. Some robots can fold clothes autonomously. Figure 01, Sanctuary AI and some Chinese robots do much better. Nothing impressive here.
the problem is the computer is so weak. They should use RTX mobile or the latest SoC for robots from Nvidia or AMD
Don't need a fancy computer to operate a robot by remote control (at 46 seconds, you see the human operator). Hahaha
@@dynomotivedyno9194 Same silly replies.
@@jlrutube1312 look at 46 seconds. It's remote control. Tesla scam.
Great to see another failure made by Elon Musk
It’s not hate (humor)
meh, not impressed at all, runs slow as an octogenarian can only grab stuff wable around and even makes mistakes.
Unless they are lying again. Which is always possible with Elon.
Lying is the most probably case when it comes to Elon. They just fired 14k people and the Supercharger team. They need a distraction to pump the stock.
Does Musk have a favorite flavor of breast milk?
Why aren't all batteries already placed!!! The man have to push one by one to the end the battery to be catch by the tesla robot... I Don't know Rick!!! 🤔
This robot walks like after long night at gay club.
Elon Musk is an evil supervillain in disguise... Destroyer of human jobs😂
Boring for now
it irritates me a bit that he only uses one arm. you got two arms, use em both.
that's tomorrow's lesson
@@JustinArut kinda my point, they need to teach it to coordinate both of its hands better. people can manage grabbing something with one hand, passing it to another hand, and placing it down with ease, we don't have to slowly pass it from hand to hand like it's a bottle of nitroglycerine.
maybe if they teach it to juggle it could better understand how to use its arms and hands and manipulate objects.
lol Elon Snuss is a con.
Anything elon is fake news carry on LOL
Anyone played this video on 1.5x speed?