Greg Tom Dafoes goblin was amazing. That brutal beat down at the end of the movie was bonechilling to watch. For a pg13 movie they went a little overboard with the censorship which is a good thing. Probably the most bloodiest fight in superhero movies.
Greg Tom I agree with you but the finale battle between spiderman and Green goblin was very violent for a of pg13 rating. I guess they tones things down in Spiderman 2 since there isn't much blood in it.
I like that Spider-Man 2 shows that Peter Parker is taking responsibility for his life, something that the comics don't do all that much. He lets go of being Spider-Man to maintain his job, pay his bills, get good grades, be there for his friends and family, and just maintain a balance in his life. It's easy to see that as being selfish, but it's still being responsible. The scene with Aunt May is what proved to Peter that being responsible comes in so many different ways and forms. A nice contrast when you really think about it.
So true. I think that is a huge part of not just Spider-Man but many heroes including the Jedi that people just miss. The Spider verse trilogy is playing with that same idea and asks questions and makes accusations fans do. "I can do both" or "I "have to" let that happen? You know how messed up that sounds?" And in my opinion it is a matter of knowing one's limits and accepting the trade off: which responsibilities are most important. Or choosing responsibility over self gratification. (Besides the point, I wish Star Wars tested fate more often as Luke did, or Spider-Man "cheating" the choice in film 1, rather than perpetuating that fallible people's persepsion is 100%).
The dual scenes of Aunt May learning the truth of Ben's death serve another purpose that movies in general forget these days: emotional contrast. People are creatures of contrast. We recognize things most strongly by their opposites. It's right down to our biology - contrasting colors make things stand out to us, a light spot in the darkness draws our eyes and commands our attention. Spider-Man 2 hits us with the hardest gut punch ever - it makes us think Peter's lost the one source of unconditional love and support by revealing the truth. It makes us think that doing the right thing cost him everything and has left him totally alone. It lets us think this for three whole scenes, giving us enough time to really feel that despair. Then it gives us the relief of Aunt May calling him back to thank him for telling her the truth so that she could stop blaming herself, because it was what she desperately needed, even if it left her so emotionally distraught she couldnt' continue the conversation right there. A director with a less deft touch at scripting would have had her feel glad to learn it and thank him in the same scene, which would have denied us the feeling of pain and loss. It would have killed the effect because by feeling that negative emotion, it makes the emotional high of her thanking him feel that much stronger. Because as cliche as it sounds to say it, you really don't know how good life is until you also experience how bad it is. You need the lows to feel the highs. That's why most movies you see today just feel like lukewarm soup. They're afraid to give us the lows and in so doing deny us the highs, resulting in a story that is just an emotional flat-line.
to me tobey is the best bc of the ORIGINAL Spidey comic original comic: has glasses, nerd, has v neck shirt, can't make friends, shy, I think in the 1st Spidey comic Peter cry too Tobey is the same
@@obitoxshinobi8978 this is how it is for me: Tobey is the best cuz of nostalgia Andrew is the best cuz he's the better actor And Tom is the best cuz he's the one that fits the role the best, however I honestly think Andrew is the best spider man cause he feels like a normal teenager
Logansolo Howlett-Jones well, I like how it combined it being based on a comic book movie, and adding a modern touch to make it a good standalone movie.
Spider-Man 2 is the most overrated superhero movie of all time the reason why people like it because it's nostalgia and you don't see the flaws in the movie homecoming and far from home is better I don't @me 😎
@@michael_2xx408 wow, so just because YOU think that homecoming and far from home are better means that everyone who likes Spider-Man 2 only likes it because of nostalgia? Wow you're really ignorant. Just because someone likes an old movie doesn't mean that he does that because of nostalgia. And can you please say which flaws this movie has?
As a child, there was something about Spider-Man 2 that was so good it was almost cathartic. Like I want to cry with tears of joy (not to sound weird). After re-watching it, I had that same feeling, but stronger. You perfectly explain why I had that feeling. That's why I felt so disappointed after watching homecoming because the consequences don't feel imminent and impactful like it does in Spider-Man 2. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed homecoming, but it does not capture the true heart of Spider-Man (most importantly Peter Parker) as a character.
The trainscene is great in another way too. You talk about the movie making people realise normal people like Peter can show such bravery, here Raimi catches this belief again. The people on the train, grateful to Spiderman, chooses to give him the mask and swears to keep his identity secret. And then the Doc returns, and people couragely stands in his way. They choose to be humble Spidermen too, even with no superpowers. I have seen people comment on that scene that they would totally ask for a picture and show it to all their friends, saying "I met Spiderman!". Which is the complete opposite of what those people on the train do. That, together with Spiderman's sacrifice to save them, is what makes that scene the best marvel scene ever. You don't need superpowers to be a hero. You need courage and humbleness, and that is something everyone can show
Spider-Man 2 embraces Peter Parker’s character. In this trilogy, peter is everything that Stan Lee loves in a character. He is not full of pop culture references, annoying forced quips, getting gadgets, or carrying on someone else’s mantle. He is a grounded character who will sacrifice everything he loves to make up for his one life changing mistake. The scene where peter tells uncle Ben he wants a life of his own is better than any TASM or Homecoming scene. Thank you for making this, people need to know what Spider-Man is really like.
The last 5 minutes of the film is also one of the greatest moments ending a superhero movie. Perfect resolution to the MJ arch, and also matched with the sacrifice theme, with the close shot of MJ, being unsure of what the future will hold. And also that incredible score mixed with him web swinging into the city was one of my favorite memories in my childhood watching movies.
@friggyk as a long time user of IMDB, I can fully rely on the average user review score for its true grade. the only thing that the star-system provides is to tell me if its even worth to look at the user reviews... if the grade is below 6, you can forget about that movie instantly. but good movies will start from around 6,8, provided they have good user reviews.
Thank you for making this. I’m finally not the only one who sees this movie as an underrated masterpiece. I cannot thank you enough for opening other people’s eyes!
Tissan Young I'd even group the first one in the trash column. They just feel like every second has been comity designed to appeal to as much people as possible. Not in order to actually be good of course just to drag in as much money as they can before word spreads.
Excellent analysis. Spider-Man 2 will always be my favourite comic book/superhero based film - leaves me in awe every time, still so underrated in the age of MCU but it’s for sure top 3 all time in superhero films.
The Closer Look Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below. When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do what's right-- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn. They are both portrayed as father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Norman seeing him as sort of the son he never had. After Uncle Ben's death Peter stuggles with this conflict even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could have everything they wanted... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene. Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice with between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But like you said, Peter cheats it. He catches both. The whole bridge is both a symbolism, and a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet. That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, he finally fully chose a life of responsibility over his own desires. This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene. Mary Jane opens herself up to him. She essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout this entire film. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he ultimately turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a life of responsibility. You see, Raimi didn't cheat us. Peter did have to make that same sacrifice in the end-- only in a way we weren't expecting.
I've always said this film was the gold standard for superhero films. I have others that I'd say are my favorites, but still agree that Spider-man 2 is the master class of comic book cinema. It has the perfect mix of fun, campiness, and pathos.
Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below. When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do be responsible -- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn, both taking the form of father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben representing trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Peter saw Norman as a reflection of the man he would one day want to become, and Norman seeing him as sort of the son he wished he had instead of Harry. When Peter gets his powers, you innocently see him go down a road of selfishness.... First using them to cheat at wrestling match to win the money to impress Mary Jane with a car. When he doesn't get the money, he again, acts selfishly and gets revenge on the man who didn't pay him by not stopping the burglar from robbing him. After Uncle Ben's death Peter of course realizes he needs to be responsible, but he also is tested with this conflict between responsibility and his own desires even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could finally have it all... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene. Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But, in a way, Peter cheats it. He catches both. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet. The bridge scene is a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, it was essentially him fully choosing a life of responsibility over folly happiness and selfishness. This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene, when Mary Jane opens herself up to him. MJ was Peter's one MAIN desire, something he couldn't bring himself to give up the entire film, and now she essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout the movie. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a full life of responsibility. He finally made that sacrifice the bridge scene foreshadowed, thus ending his arc. And it is here where you can fully see just how much this character has grown and developed since the start of the film.
What do you think of the connection of all of this with Peter ultimately ending up with MJ by the end of SM2 and onward? Be as brief as you'd like. I don't want to ask for too much of your time for a response, haha.
I grew up with the original spider-man trilogy, and it is sad people write them all off as bad just because of the third. People are too interested in the new to enjoy the old
I write them off as bad because they were a giant let-down for me back then. I never even bothered to watch the third, because I was already p... off about the second one NOT building on the first one (which I felt was pretty weak) and allowing for some character development. Even the train scene couldn't make up for the story going basically in circles.
Even the first Raimi's Spider-man is better than any other marvel movies from the MCU. I don't know, it was just perfect. I remember seing it in theaters in 2002 with my best friend and we were blown away. There's great storytelling, acting, action, romance, visual effects (for the time), funny script and sad moments and gives a sense of responsability to the hero's decision as soon as uncle Ben death. Also, it's THE movie that brought back the superhero genre big time. Anyway that's just my opinion, but the original trilogy will always hold a special place in my heart.
I also like how the film shows the consequences of not being a hero. Like the man getting beaten in the alley, crying for help. Peter can & does walk away, but the man getting mugged & robbed can't. This comes to its most powerful point when Peter saves the young girl from the burning building. He tries to be the hero, but if he had been Spider-Man, he could've saved the other person who died. Still, though, even when you don't fully succeed, being the hero is important. The train passengers who stand up to Dr. Octopus are plowed through immediately, but they still stood in his way. Likewise, Peter still has struggles when he becomes Spidey again, but he's doing the right thing.
You know what? ... Of all your excellent reviews and analysis ... You REALLY hit the nail on the head with this one! Thank you! Keep up the GREAT work!
I think the Toby Maguire Spider-Man movies had the best soundtrack, hands down. But although it was really good and well rounded, (I was a huge fan when I was younger) I think the Dark Knight still takes the cake. And I’d argue that Megamind is a superhero film and does not get any credit for how amazing it is.
The Dark Knight also focuses a lot on the sacrifices a true hero must make, so it's kind of in the same boat as Spider-Man 2 despite vastly different tones and styles. It's no mistake that those are my two favorite superhero movies.
There are way too many videos on that, no need to beat the dead horse. At this point it's been buried for months (since batman v superman) and you are digging up its grave to beat it some more. The DCEU is not doing great, and we all already know that, and have been told numerous reasons why by almost everybody.
I’m so glad I subbed to this channel. After watching homecoming I thought that it was the best spidey flick, but after watching this vid and rewatching Spider-Man 2 for the 100th time I realized that it wasn’t just the best spider man film, it was the best marvel film ever! I grew up watching the Spider-Man trilogy and they pretty much changed my life. I wouldn’t be the comic book geek I am without them.
A bold declaration, and one in which I wholeheartedly agree. I'm so glad that so many years later, this movie is still relevant. Great job man. Just earned a new sub, looking forward to more of your work!
I think other comic book films do have sacrifice but there are certainly more instances in Spider-Man 2 than most films. For example, throughout the Captain America film arc, at the end, he has to sacrifice something. In the first film, he sacrifices himself by crashing the plane into the ice whilst losing the life he left behind. In the Winter Soldier, he has to make the decision to take out Bucky or not and by extension, potentially dying. Sacrificing his life so his best friend can live. He survives, but not without trying to sacrifice. But most so, in Civil War, he sacrifices his own freedom so he can fight for Bucky. As a result, he sacrifices his relationship with Tony and some of his companions. Then most of all at the end, he sacrifices his Captain America mantle to try to stay friends with Tony. Personally, I’m a big Captain America fan, and to me, his arc from his three films is also a worthy mention when talking about the best superhero films. Sometimes it has its faults but overall, the Captain America series is up there with the best
Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time. I love it and every time I watch it, I always am able to pull something new from it that I didn't know applied to me in the past
Garfield was better at being spiderman but holland is a better peter. Since he doesnt quip he shouldnt be the best but Tobey is the one with the better script and someone who cared A LOT about the source material.
You totally get this. If you read Spiderman today, you still get hints every now and again that if "Spiderman" quits. He lives a normal life he wants, but he always makes that sacrifice
I can't thank you enough, every time I watch any of your videos I get new ideas for my book. I had a block for ten days but now I can write again. Thank you!
I think both Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man Homecoming did a lot of different things better than each other but I agree this film definitely got the idea of sacrifice down better. In homecoming, Peter made sacrifices but there was no consequences for Peter's sacrifices. Peter ditches the academic decathalon thing, completely letting Liz down, but then his team wins anyway and Liz isn't even mad and goes to the prom with him anyway. Then he ditches her a prom and she's not even mad at him because of everything going with her dad. He definitely did sacrifice but the results of said sacrifice were less poignant than in Spider-Man 2. They're still both great movies though.
honestly, after watching SM2 again i understand why its one of the best superhero movies and definitely my top 5. the way Peter is so relatable facing struggles like every other person and having to keep the balance of his superhero life and normal life in check. it really showed me that youre gonna have to make sacrifices to do the right thing, even if its your dreams. and that was a very touching theme throughout the movie! it moved me and the way he was willing (and did) to give up his personal life to protect the city because he has the power too and chooses to live by Uncle Ben and Aunt Mays words. 🙏
Perfectly said, The Dark Knight trilogy is a cinematic and writing masterpiece, but Tobey Maguires spider-man is emotion, philosophy and an everyday man’s journey to become a hero
I'm in the middle of writing a 3 part Web Series and was curious to know what you think makes a compelling and successful TV series from that of a film? Such as its fundamental narrative structure, how it should be paced ie. stretching the story out to keep it interesting each episode act by act, creating believable characters with depth, building up to a satisfying climax and any other thoughts you think that will contribute.... Really enjoy your content man, keep it going. chow for now!
I typed this before watching this video. This isn't only my favorite superhero movie but favorite movie period. Yes, better than the Dark Knight. It has far superior action scenes than the Dark Knight. It blends comic visuals and action with very human themes, balances Peter and Spider-Man's conflicts perfectly, creates a very unique, underrated villain with a clear motive, and the narrative is as focused and straight forward as it gets. Not to mention some of the best cinematic scenes ever that truly stuck with me as a child, such as both Doc Ock's experiment gone wrong, as well as him killing the doctors. The action sequences were unreal, between the side of the building fight and the infamous train scene. the writing and directing was just of the highest caliber. Oh and of course Danny Elfman's iconic music. This is why it kills me when people try saying Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie. He's my favorite superhero and that film was probably bottom 3 MCU films for me. It had countless issues, don't even get me started.
Didn't really think why I thought it was the best beyond the fact I loved the villain, but knew the train scene was the most intense and rewarding action sequence in a superhero movie. You've nailed it.
When people say homecoming or far from home is better then Spider-Man 2 I come to this videos comment section and my faith in humanity becomes restored. I come to this video to receive hope..
I think that the dark knight trilogy covers this aspect of the genre pretty good as well. Weis have the first movie, where bruce wayne sacrifices all of his modern day life as a rich playboy to overcome his weaknesses. Later in the movie he tosses out old friends of his parents to safely interact with ras al ghul and in the end he even lose rachel cause she doesnt want to be with him as long as he is batman. In the second installment of the series he faces the joker in which he made the ultimate sacrifice for taking all the blame for the muder, losing rachel and even has to overcome his no killing rule as he takes down harvey dent. Nothing had to happen if batman didnt exist. He even gets a similiar deciding situation as the joker gives him the chance to safe rachel oder harvey. In this particular scene something very interesting happens. He chose rachel. He is bruce wayne and not batman in this particular situation which makes the sacrifice even bigger, acknowledging that the joker tricked him by reversing the spots where they are captured. In the third movie he sacrifices his body, his identity and even his life as bruce wayne, who is officialy dead. actually i think the dark knight rises is the worst example of the 3 installment because its not a classic superhero movie. to sum up Batman loses his love, his identity as bruce wayne, his health and his morals. thanks for reading:P
You made me cry with your narration man.. The good old spiderman, I still remember running home with the dvd from the rental store in a remote village in India.
Your videos has good explaining and even if i don’t agree on your opinions/facts i still always click the like butten and that is becuse you allways has a point
The Closer Look Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below. When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do what's right-- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn. They are both portrayed as father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Norman seeing him as sort of the son he never had. After Uncle Ben's death Peter stuggles with this conflict even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could have everything they wanted... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene. Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice with between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But like you said, Peter cheats it. He catches both. The whole bridge is both a symbolism, and a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet. That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, he finally fully chose a life of responsibility over his own desires. This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene. Mary Jane opens herself up to him. She essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout this entire film. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he ultimately turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a life of responsibility. You see, Raimi didn't cheat us. Peter did have to make that same sacrifice in the end-- only in a way we weren't expecting.
I think The Dark Knight captures the idea of sacrifice as well as spider-man 2, although not its main idea, at the end Bruce says, I’m whatever Gotham needs me to be, so he took the blame of the Dent murders just so the people of Gotham wouldn’t lose faith in Harvey, their white knight, their true hero, we later see in the Dark Knight rises the toll that that decision had on Bruce, he lived depressed and alone for 8 years because of his sacrifice, he was the hero that Gotham deserved, the person willing to sacrifice everything for the people, but he wasn’t the one they needed, the people needed a hero without a mask, someone to look up to and that’s what Harvey dent was
I think I recall Doug Walker saying a long time ago that in Spider-Man 2, Peter doesn't have enough of a good reason to get rid of the suit. Your video beautifully illustrates why that's incorrect.
Spiderman 2 has a lot of similarities with The Dark Knight: - Lost their gf's due to their heroism - Has a constant battle with the "I wanna stop all of this" idea. - Has a villain that's always a step ahead of them. - They can't stop being a hero since no one would be. The main difference for me would be that Spiderman 2 projects the "Sacrifice" theme in a "lighter" manner; while The Dark Knight projects it in a (no pun intended) "darker" manner. For example: - Relationships: In SM2, Peter loses his girlfriend but only momentarily (they broke up). While in TDK, Bruce forever losses Rachel because of the Joker. - Villain: Dr. Oct in SM2 only wants to finish his project. He doesn't care about Spiderman or anyone unless they are in their way. TDK's Joker for example, is for me the best villain character of all time. Joker doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about fame, he doesn't even fear death; all he cares about is to prove a point to Batman that anyone could become the next Joker when pushed to madness. No matter what Batman do, Joker is always ahead of him because he (the Joker) knows Batman's philosophies (and also how to counter them). - Ending: SM2's ending was really great. Dr. Oct realised his evil deeds and proceeds to destroy his beloved project, killing him in the process. TDK however is way different - even if Joker was caught in the end, he still won. Even if the ferry boats didn't blew up, that wasn't his "main weapon" on his war with Batman. His main "ace" was Harvey Dent. Joker succeeded on making him a villain and you can see its vivid results in The Dark Knight Rises when Bane revealed the truth about Harvey. Joker won in the end - Bruce losses Rachel, Harvey become a villain, Batman was blamed for everything, and Bruce now questioned his "hero" identity and ultimately retired (you can see this at the beginning of TDKR where they say that "They haven't seen Bruce for ages" and that "Batman hasn't been spotted for 8 years now"). Both movies were excellent in projecting the "Sacrifice of a hero" theme, but the reason why Spiderman 2 won is because it projects it in a lighter, uplifting, and inspiring manner; where it gives hope that no matter how hard the situation is, light will always shine through. The Dark Knight ended - being dark. It's because that is the purpose of the movie in the trilogy. Batman begins signifies Dusk (beginning of Batman's descend into heroism where he has to fight a lot of bad guys), The Dark Knight signifies Midnight (the darkest of the darkest - losses his gf, villain won, etc), and The Dark Knight Rises signifies Dawn (defeated Bane, survived a broken back + escaped in an "almost" in-escapable prison, and he retired with a new girlfriend + has a successor).
Indeed it is about sacrifice. The scene where Spiderman saves the subway, stands with his arms outstretched is a symbolic of Jesus on the cross. Films are filled with symbolism.
That scene is arguably the best superhero scene in all cinema, especially when the passengers catch a unmasked Peter after he blacks out, then carry him to lay him down the humanity I get emotional just talking about it.
This was one of my gripes with Homecoming. You can see where they were trying to follow this same principle, but the only problem was that they only went half-way. In Spider-Man 2, when Peter made a choice, the consequences always had a lingering presence. You honestly felt sorry for Peter because he was just trying to balance two different worlds. With Homecoming, we saw Peter make a choice and then only get a glimpse at the consequences. After that, it's either forgotten or easily brushed off. Peter skips decathlon... but the team wins without him and Liz even forgives him. Peter gets detention... yet he easily skimps out with little to no issue. Peter chooses to ditch Liz at homecoming... yet she forgives and forgets in the end. Like I said before, Homecoming was on the right track, but they instead chose to not make Peter suffer from his choices long enough for us to actually sympathize with him. Only then can you really feel happy along with Peter when he does have his moment in the light.
This is why I love your channel. You make a claim that can seem bizarre at first, but once you explain your reasoning, you view the featured film in a whole new light. Well done my good sir.
Fish To me, Spider-man has always been about consequences for actions (I.e. responsibility.) Spider-man 2 is about doing the right thing and suffering the consequences in one’s personal life. I.e. Peter wants a normal life but in order to do the right thing and still be Spider-Man, he has to sacrifice a normal life. Homecoming completely gets rid of this. Rather than being motivated to ‘do the right thing’ the central conflict of the story is that Peter wants to be an avenger and impress Tony Stark. This is not the Spider-Man of the comics. Spider-Man makes mistakes, sure, but he’s motivated by guilt and a sense of responsibility to the people around him. Moreover, in homecoming, there are little to no consequences of being Spider-Man in peter’s personal life. He ditches the school team but they let him back with open arms. He endangers people with his involvement despite Iron Man’s warnings and there’s no real consequence besides losing the ‘suit.’ His crush leaves for a different country at the end, but it really didn’t affect Peter because the crush had no real substance. Heck, even a shop gets blown up in the beginning and there are absolutely no personal ramifications in Peter’s personal life. TL;DR Tobey’s Spider-Man has actual consequences to his actions and is motivated by doing the right thing. Homecoming Spider-Man has little consequences to his actions and is motivated by being a people pleaser. In my humble opinion tho. I like Holland a lot in Civil War and infinity war. Just don’t care for how he was written in homecoming.
Samuel Slate Heres something i noticed. There are diffrent versions of spidey. A teen one and a grown one. Spidey tends to not have as many responsibilities but he chooses to fight enemies and do all these things. Of course hes motivated to become an avaenger. Hes a teenager! Hes dumb and selfish. The spiderman in spiderman 2 was so dull. He was just "im a good guy because im a good guy" He never failed, he didnt have any personality traits that distincted him from every other suphero character. Hes a teenager, he has other things to care about, school, friends and all that. Tobey was just such a cookie cutter spiderman. Bad stuff only happens to PETER, but as spiderman he can do everything perfectly. Hes the adult, more grown version. That spiderman is just way to uninteresting in my opinion. People dont like tom because he has flaws, but thats what makes spiderman diffrent then every other marvel character. If tobey were to be put into the MCU it would just make it so much worse
Fish Tobey's spider-man was extremely flawed. He's a walking guilt trip (as spider-man of the comics has always been, particularly in the Lee-Ditko era,) he lets some dude get beat up in Spider-Man 2 when he gave up being spider-man, and in spider-man 3 his pride and ego were already getting to him before he got possessed by the symbiote. In Spider-Man 2, he literally fails like every other scene. He gets fired from his job within 5 minutes of the movie starting. MJ rejects him multiple times. He lets her down after not going to her play (implied to be the last of many times that Spider-Man has messed up his personal life.) He tells Aunt May that he was responsible for Uncle Ben's death causing tension. His best friend hates his guts for taking pictures of the man who he thinks killed his father. There is literally almost no part of Spider-Man 2 where he does not fail in some way. I don't really get the criticism that spider-man does everything perfectly in the raimi trilogy. He repeatedly gets destroyed in fights before somehow coming in on top at the end of the movie. He gets the crap beaten out of him in spider-man 1 by Goblin, Doc Ock is a step ahead of him almost all the time in spider-man 2 until he has a heel face turn, and Spider-man 3 he really prob should have died after getting pummeled by sandman. (Not arguing that spider-man 3 is a great movie, cause it isn't) People don't generally dislike Homecoming because Peter has "flaws." It's that those flaws have absolutely no consequences. "Selfish" and "Dumb" are probably the opposite adjectives that should describe a highly intelligent but guilt ridden, flawed teenager like Peter Parker. Even in the Ultimate Universe which was more of a "kid" version, there are repeated consequences to Peter's actions in his life that were not present in Homecoming. If you want a kid version of spider-man done right, I highly recommend The Spectacular Spider-Man. It's so good!
First we both love Thor, and now you agree with me on the brilliance of Spider-Man 2? You really are great. Thanks man, this is a film that needs to be talked about more.
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I think you should have included the scenes in which he views how bad the city is getting without him. He watches a college student get jumped in an alley in the middle of the day with no one who’ll help him. Criminals running rampant while he eats a hot dog. And psychopaths with mechanical arms doing whatever they please. Because of him no longer sacrificing his personal gain, the city as a whole suffers. Without his sacrifice, crime increases, regular people just trying to get by end up beaten up in the hospital, even those kids who he saves at the beginning, some other two kids running in the street could have died while he stopped being Spiderman. So while his personal gain increases, everything around him suffers. Which is why he’s such a great hero. He even sacrifices his improving life to help people. So maybe the next time that college kid steps into the wrong alley, he’ll walk out without any broken ribs. So that those bank robbers won’t get away. So that those kids will learn to stay out of the street. And even just to give somebody a little bit of hope for tomorrow.
Even Doc Oct sacrificed himself at the end to correct his error.
Greg Tom Dafoes goblin was amazing.
That brutal beat down at the end of the movie was bonechilling to watch.
For a pg13 movie they went a little overboard with the censorship which is a good thing.
Probably the most bloodiest fight in superhero movies.
Greg Tom why didn't Spiderman 1 get a R rating just for that one scene alone ? It was pretty bloody for a superhero flick.
Greg Tom I agree with you but the finale battle between spiderman and Green goblin was very violent for a of pg13 rating.
I guess they tones things down in Spiderman 2 since there isn't much blood in it.
Greg Tom don’t even get me started on the fvcking disgrace of writing that is Stefenwolf (or however it’s spelled)
Thank god it was pg 13 i wouldn't have watched it as a kid then and wouldn't find a love for the trilogy
I like that Spider-Man 2 shows that Peter Parker is taking responsibility for his life, something that the comics don't do all that much. He lets go of being Spider-Man to maintain his job, pay his bills, get good grades, be there for his friends and family, and just maintain a balance in his life. It's easy to see that as being selfish, but it's still being responsible. The scene with Aunt May is what proved to Peter that being responsible comes in so many different ways and forms. A nice contrast when you really think about it.
So true.
I think that is a huge part of not just Spider-Man but many heroes including the Jedi that people just miss. The Spider verse trilogy is playing with that same idea and asks questions and makes accusations fans do. "I can do both" or "I "have to" let that happen? You know how messed up that sounds?" And in my opinion it is a matter of knowing one's limits and accepting the trade off: which responsibilities are most important. Or choosing responsibility over self gratification.
(Besides the point, I wish Star Wars tested fate more often as Luke did, or Spider-Man "cheating" the choice in film 1, rather than perpetuating that fallible people's persepsion is 100%).
The dual scenes of Aunt May learning the truth of Ben's death serve another purpose that movies in general forget these days: emotional contrast.
People are creatures of contrast. We recognize things most strongly by their opposites. It's right down to our biology - contrasting colors make things stand out to us, a light spot in the darkness draws our eyes and commands our attention. Spider-Man 2 hits us with the hardest gut punch ever - it makes us think Peter's lost the one source of unconditional love and support by revealing the truth. It makes us think that doing the right thing cost him everything and has left him totally alone.
It lets us think this for three whole scenes, giving us enough time to really feel that despair. Then it gives us the relief of Aunt May calling him back to thank him for telling her the truth so that she could stop blaming herself, because it was what she desperately needed, even if it left her so emotionally distraught she couldnt' continue the conversation right there.
A director with a less deft touch at scripting would have had her feel glad to learn it and thank him in the same scene, which would have denied us the feeling of pain and loss. It would have killed the effect because by feeling that negative emotion, it makes the emotional high of her thanking him feel that much stronger.
Because as cliche as it sounds to say it, you really don't know how good life is until you also experience how bad it is. You need the lows to feel the highs. That's why most movies you see today just feel like lukewarm soup. They're afraid to give us the lows and in so doing deny us the highs, resulting in a story that is just an emotional flat-line.
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Tobby Maguire is the best Spiderman he is so relatable just a human facing everyday struggles
Tobey*
I agree but I also think that Andrew and Tom capture"spider man" while Tobey was a better character
to me tobey is the best bc of the ORIGINAL Spidey comic
original comic:
has glasses, nerd, has v neck shirt, can't make friends, shy, I think in the 1st Spidey comic Peter cry too
Tobey is the same
@@obitoxshinobi8978 this is how it is for me:
Tobey is the best cuz of nostalgia
Andrew is the best cuz he's the better actor
And Tom is the best cuz he's the one that fits the role the best, however I honestly think Andrew is the best spider man cause he feels like a normal teenager
@@obitoxshinobi8978 tobey had awful acting in the raimi films, didnt like him all that much
Spider-Man 2 is great because it fully embraces it's comic book roots. It's not trying to be hip or modern or cynical
Logansolo Howlett-Jones well, I like how it combined it being based on a comic book movie, and adding a modern touch to make it a good standalone movie.
It’s fine for things to be Morden. Look at the dark knight trilogy.
Spider-Man 2 is the most overrated superhero movie of all time the reason why people like it because it's nostalgia and you don't see the flaws in the movie homecoming and far from home is better I don't @me 😎
@@michael_2xx408 wow, so just because YOU think that homecoming and far from home are better means that everyone who likes Spider-Man 2 only likes it because of nostalgia? Wow you're really ignorant. Just because someone likes an old movie doesn't mean that he does that because of nostalgia. And can you please say which flaws this movie has?
@Matteo Leonardi no dude I'm 18 years old I just see how it is😂😒
As a child, there was something about Spider-Man 2 that was so good it was almost cathartic. Like I want to cry with tears of joy (not to sound weird). After re-watching it, I had that same feeling, but stronger. You perfectly explain why I had that feeling. That's why I felt so disappointed after watching homecoming because the consequences don't feel imminent and impactful like it does in Spider-Man 2. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed homecoming, but it does not capture the true heart of Spider-Man (most importantly Peter Parker) as a character.
You're right man.I never felt the emotions in Spider-Man Homecoming like what Spider-Man 2 had.
Homecoming was bad
@@atleticoderojo no it was great but not as Spiderman trilogy
@@siddharth_0771 ok bro.. I respect ur opinion..
@@atleticoderojo don't get me wrong. I know that Homecoming can't even scratch to this movie
The trainscene is great in another way too. You talk about the movie making people realise normal people like Peter can show such bravery, here Raimi catches this belief again. The people on the train, grateful to Spiderman, chooses to give him the mask and swears to keep his identity secret. And then the Doc returns, and people couragely stands in his way. They choose to be humble Spidermen too, even with no superpowers. I have seen people comment on that scene that they would totally ask for a picture and show it to all their friends, saying "I met Spiderman!". Which is the complete opposite of what those people on the train do. That, together with Spiderman's sacrifice to save them, is what makes that scene the best marvel scene ever. You don't need superpowers to be a hero. You need courage and humbleness, and that is something everyone can show
I believe theres a hero in all of us
Spider-Man 2 embraces Peter Parker’s character. In this trilogy, peter is everything that Stan Lee loves in a character. He is not full of pop culture references, annoying forced quips, getting gadgets, or carrying on someone else’s mantle. He is a grounded character who will sacrifice everything he loves to make up for his one life changing mistake. The scene where peter tells uncle Ben he wants a life of his own is better than any TASM or Homecoming scene. Thank you for making this, people need to know what Spider-Man is really like.
The last 5 minutes of the film is also one of the greatest moments ending a superhero movie.
Perfect resolution to the MJ arch, and also matched with the sacrifice theme, with the close shot of MJ, being unsure of what the future will hold. And also that incredible score mixed with him web swinging into the city was one of my favorite memories in my childhood watching movies.
I agree. This is by far the best and my favorite superhero film.
What about the dark knight?
@@henith7850 the dark knight is overrated and so is the stupid movie.
seto kaiba
Batman Begins is better imo
seto kaiba what superhero movie is better to you other then the dark knight?
Mark Magness
I think only Batman Begins is better
i will never understand why spiderman 2 has only 7.3 on imdb...I just don't get it
imdb finds spiderman 1 and 2 chessy
Spider-man 2 deserves 10, spider-man 1 deserves 9.9 and spider-man 3 deserves 9.9. They are the best superhero movies of all time
scottyrobot IMDb means nothing. Check it's Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes score
The Avatar
IMDb is usually accurate however they fucked up that rating
@friggyk as a long time user of IMDB, I can fully rely on the average user review score for its true grade. the only thing that the star-system provides is to tell me if its even worth to look at the user reviews... if the grade is below 6, you can forget about that movie instantly. but good movies will start from around 6,8, provided they have good user reviews.
Thank you for making this. I’m finally not the only one who sees this movie as an underrated masterpiece. I cannot thank you enough for opening other people’s eyes!
Still can't stand when people try and say the amazing Spider-Man movies are better
The Unwatchables TAS 1 was tolerable, TAS 2 was straight trash.
Tissan Young I'd even group the first one in the trash column. They just feel like every second has been comity designed to appeal to as much people as possible. Not in order to actually be good of course just to drag in as much money as they can before word spreads.
The amazing spiderman was a snarky douche.
Opinions are a funny thing,ain't they?
Persian Slashuur yes indeed
Excellent analysis. Spider-Man 2 will always be my favourite comic book/superhero based film - leaves me in awe every time, still so underrated in the age of MCU but it’s for sure top 3 all time in superhero films.
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you apparently don't know what underrated means
i agree and i only just discovered this channel two days ago.
The Closer Look Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below.
When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do what's right-- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn. They are both portrayed as father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Norman seeing him as sort of the son he never had. After Uncle Ben's death Peter stuggles with this conflict even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could have everything they wanted... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene.
Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice with between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But like you said, Peter cheats it. He catches both. The whole bridge is both a symbolism, and a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet.
That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, he finally fully chose a life of responsibility over his own desires.
This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene. Mary Jane opens herself up to him. She essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout this entire film. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he ultimately turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a life of responsibility. You see, Raimi didn't cheat us. Peter did have to make that same sacrifice in the end-- only in a way we weren't expecting.
‘There are marvel films with better acting’
I’m not even sure if I agree with that to be honest. The acting was pretty top notch on this one.
First iron man was pretty good as well
I've always said this film was the gold standard for superhero films. I have others that I'd say are my favorites, but still agree that Spider-man 2 is the master class of comic book cinema. It has the perfect mix of fun, campiness, and pathos.
Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below.
When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do be responsible -- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn, both taking the form of father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben representing trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Peter saw Norman as a reflection of the man he would one day want to become, and Norman seeing him as sort of the son he wished he had instead of Harry. When Peter gets his powers, you innocently see him go down a road of selfishness.... First using them to cheat at wrestling match to win the money to impress Mary Jane with a car. When he doesn't get the money, he again, acts selfishly and gets revenge on the man who didn't pay him by not stopping the burglar from robbing him. After Uncle Ben's death Peter of course realizes he needs to be responsible, but he also is tested with this conflict between responsibility and his own desires even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could finally have it all... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene.
Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But, in a way, Peter cheats it. He catches both. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet. The bridge scene is a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make.
That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, it was essentially him fully choosing a life of responsibility over folly happiness and selfishness.
This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene, when Mary Jane opens herself up to him. MJ was Peter's one MAIN desire, something he couldn't bring himself to give up the entire film, and now she essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout the movie. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a full life of responsibility. He finally made that sacrifice the bridge scene foreshadowed, thus ending his arc. And it is here where you can fully see just how much this character has grown and developed since the start of the film.
Beautifully analyzed
What do you think of the connection of all of this with Peter ultimately ending up with MJ by the end of SM2 and onward? Be as brief as you'd like. I don't want to ask for too much of your time for a response, haha.
I grew up with the original spider-man trilogy, and it is sad people write them all off as bad just because of the third. People are too interested in the new to enjoy the old
I write them off as bad because they were a giant let-down for me back then. I never even bothered to watch the third, because I was already p... off about the second one NOT building on the first one (which I felt was pretty weak) and allowing for some character development. Even the train scene couldn't make up for the story going basically in circles.
Gabriel Davies its actually the opposite, yes these movies are good, but people wont watch the new, simply because it isnt the old
swanpride what does building off the first mean to you? Does it mean showing the aftermath of what happens, the way it affects the characters?
swanpride hah whatever
swanpride Wow you really have NO taste.
Even the first Raimi's Spider-man is better than any other marvel movies from the MCU. I don't know, it was just perfect. I remember seing it in theaters in 2002 with my best friend and we were blown away. There's great storytelling, acting, action, romance, visual effects (for the time), funny script and sad moments and gives a sense of responsability to the hero's decision as soon as uncle Ben death. Also, it's THE movie that brought back the superhero genre big time. Anyway that's just my opinion, but the original trilogy will always hold a special place in my heart.
finally someone truly understand this movie
I also like how the film shows the consequences of not being a hero. Like the man getting beaten in the alley, crying for help. Peter can & does walk away, but the man getting mugged & robbed can't. This comes to its most powerful point when Peter saves the young girl from the burning building. He tries to be the hero, but if he had been Spider-Man, he could've saved the other person who died. Still, though, even when you don't fully succeed, being the hero is important. The train passengers who stand up to Dr. Octopus are plowed through immediately, but they still stood in his way. Likewise, Peter still has struggles when he becomes Spidey again, but he's doing the right thing.
THANK YOU I completely agree!!!
Greg Tom it was my secound movie i watched as a kid the first one was spiderman of course
Homecoming was a sham. Peter Parker had none of the class of the Rami films (minus #3 of course)
You know what? ... Of all your excellent reviews and analysis ... You REALLY hit the nail on the head with this one! Thank you! Keep up the GREAT work!
Thanks for the praise, I certainly will :)
I thought the title said “Why The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is the best superhero movie”.
Oh God.
Theres a reason why the poster is the thumbnail smh
It wasn't that bad
Nightmare Freddy Krueger You're right it was way worse.
Chicken Nuggetmaster360 oh come on!
*Insert Johnson's Laugh From Spider-Man 2*
Very well done! I watched this movie a while ago, and until now I never could quite explain why I liked it so much! Thanks for making this!
I think the Toby Maguire Spider-Man movies had the best soundtrack, hands down. But although it was really good and well rounded, (I was a huge fan when I was younger) I think the Dark Knight still takes the cake. And I’d argue that Megamind is a superhero film and does not get any credit for how amazing it is.
I agree, Megamind is a great superhero film.
The Dark Knight also focuses a lot on the sacrifices a true hero must make, so it's kind of in the same boat as Spider-Man 2 despite vastly different tones and styles. It's no mistake that those are my two favorite superhero movies.
Also, the bit with the ferries near the end of THE DARK KNIGHT makes the same point this video makes about Peter Parker at 5:33.
TDK is not a superhero movie, it's an action thriller that happens to have Batman as the protagonist. The same way that Logan is a western.
Megamind is awesome
Spiderman 2 is incredibly great. I never knew that a film could be that great.
Please make a video on why DCEU is failing
Ŵèřęŵøłf • its cuz the directors are not comic fans , the mcu directors are big fuckin nerd and they put there love in those movies
Barney Soldierson not only love but invest time unlike Dc which so far has rushed a Cinematic Universe thats collapsing on itself
Warner Bros is getting on Snyder's way.
Ŵèřęŵøłf • because they keep making shitty and terribly paced movies.
except wonder woman that was good
There are way too many videos on that, no need to beat the dead horse. At this point it's been buried for months (since batman v superman) and you are digging up its grave to beat it some more. The DCEU is not doing great, and we all already know that, and have been told numerous reasons why by almost everybody.
this video deserves more attention. you explained the essence of this movie so well. keep it up man!
I’m so glad I subbed to this channel. After watching homecoming I thought that it was the best spidey flick, but after watching this vid and rewatching Spider-Man 2 for the 100th time I realized that it wasn’t just the best spider man film, it was the best marvel film ever! I grew up watching the Spider-Man trilogy and they pretty much changed my life. I wouldn’t be the comic book geek I am without them.
Danny cookie Guy you used to think Homecoming was better than this masterpiece?
watch out for the dweebs that will say "YoUre JusT HooKeD oN NosTalGia"
I honestly thought this movie was alright was I was a kid but as an adult I actually appreciate this movie so much more
SPIDER-MAN 2 IS MY FAVORITE MOVIE SUPERHERO MOVIE AND SPIDEY MOVIE OF ALL TIME SO THANK U SOOOO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VID U R EXACTLY RIGHT
A bold declaration, and one in which I wholeheartedly agree. I'm so glad that so many years later, this movie is still relevant. Great job man. Just earned a new sub, looking forward to more of your work!
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I think other comic book films do have sacrifice but there are certainly more instances in Spider-Man 2 than most films. For example, throughout the Captain America film arc, at the end, he has to sacrifice something. In the first film, he sacrifices himself by crashing the plane into the ice whilst losing the life he left behind. In the Winter Soldier, he has to make the decision to take out Bucky or not and by extension, potentially dying. Sacrificing his life so his best friend can live. He survives, but not without trying to sacrifice. But most so, in Civil War, he sacrifices his own freedom so he can fight for Bucky. As a result, he sacrifices his relationship with Tony and some of his companions. Then most of all at the end, he sacrifices his Captain America mantle to try to stay friends with Tony. Personally, I’m a big Captain America fan, and to me, his arc from his three films is also a worthy mention when talking about the best superhero films. Sometimes it has its faults but overall, the Captain America series is up there with the best
Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time. I love it and every time I watch it, I always am able to pull something new from it that I didn't know applied to me in the past
"Yes, there are DC films with.... better special effects...."
They don't even have that.
How could he say that when Spider-Man 2 won the Oscar for Best Visual Effects?
There is a difference, between special effects and visual effects
@Anakin Skyguy No, CGI is visual effects. Special effects are everything you do on set. Please do your research.
Good content fam! As an aspiring writer, your vids are pretty helpful. Keep it up man!
Do you have a product? I like reading begginers writings
What about now?
Tobey Maguire is the REAL spiderman
izzudin faiz Agreed though I do like Tom Holland too.
Yellow Yeezys Who are you talking about?
Garfield was better at being spiderman but holland is a better peter. Since he doesnt quip he shouldnt be the best but Tobey is the one with the better script and someone who cared A LOT about the source material.
Forever.
izzudin faiz Tobey is better at being Peter Parker while personally I think that Tom catches both nearly perfectly.
You totally get this. If you read Spiderman today, you still get hints every now and again that if "Spiderman" quits. He lives a normal life he wants, but he always makes that sacrifice
I'm an aspiring writer. I feel like I need to take notes while I watch your videos. Keep up the great content!
I didn't realize why I liked this movie so much. You just said it.
Spiderman 2 is better than infinity war.
Evan Poole yes
Easily
*Beautiful video but....*
"Don't forget the hyphen between spider and man!"
I can't thank you enough, every time I watch any of your videos I get new ideas for my book.
I had a block for ten days but now I can write again.
Thank you!
This is exactly why I liked this film more than Homecoming and so many of my friends have a hard time understanding that.
thanks for helping me see this film in a different light
Spider-Man 2 isn't just my favorite movie of all time, it's my favorite film of all time!
I tear up every time I hear that "hero in all of us" speech. It's so good.
Spider-Man 2 is the greatest Superhero film to date, and it will never be surpassed.
Spider-Verse, Logan, and Infinity War surpassed it.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 No
@@thefilmwatcher1302 those are good but not as realistic as spider man 2
It is.
@@Xithin87 the dark knight
It seriously is still the best superhero movie. Not just for nostalgic reasons, but for how well crafted it is and the heart and soul behind it.
The dark knight and Spiderman 2 are Masterpiece
This is my favourite channel at the time, thank you very much for making these videos
I watched Spider-Man 2 like a thousand times
And we never get bored: Masterpiece
And the action sequences. So many good action sequences.
Spider-Man 2 is my favourite as well because of that same reason
I think both Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man Homecoming did a lot of different things better than each other but I agree this film definitely got the idea of sacrifice down better. In homecoming, Peter made sacrifices but there was no consequences for Peter's sacrifices. Peter ditches the academic decathalon thing, completely letting Liz down, but then his team wins anyway and Liz isn't even mad and goes to the prom with him anyway. Then he ditches her a prom and she's not even mad at him because of everything going with her dad. He definitely did sacrifice but the results of said sacrifice were less poignant than in Spider-Man 2.
They're still both great movies though.
No
No, homecoming is shit compared to this masterpiece
Oh she was mad and it ultimately ends up breaking their relationship.
Homecoming, no, the entirety of MCU Spider-Man shits along the character.
honestly, after watching SM2 again i understand why its one of the best superhero movies and definitely my top 5. the way Peter is so relatable facing struggles like every other person and having to keep the balance of his superhero life and normal life in check. it really showed me that youre gonna have to make sacrifices to do the right thing, even if its your dreams. and that was a very touching theme throughout the movie! it moved me and the way he was willing (and did) to give up his personal life to protect the city because he has the power too and chooses to live by Uncle Ben and Aunt Mays words. 🙏
Dark knight is a cinematic masterpiece. But Spider-Man 2...pure emotion ❤️
Perfectly said, The Dark Knight trilogy is a cinematic and writing masterpiece, but Tobey Maguires spider-man is emotion, philosophy and an everyday man’s journey to become a hero
@@eliaskjrbo8142Im a writer myself but Spider Man 2 was much better written than TDK.
I'm in the middle of writing a 3 part Web Series and was curious to know what you think makes a compelling and successful TV series from that of a film? Such as its fundamental narrative structure, how it should be paced ie. stretching the story out to keep it interesting each episode act by act, creating believable characters with depth, building up to a satisfying climax and any other thoughts you think that will contribute.... Really enjoy your content man, keep it going. chow for now!
Everything I always wanted to say , thank you so much. MCU films focus so much more on entertainment. Spiderman 2 is a fricking masterpiece.
This is why I continue to love and watch your content. Your passion and deep thinking is inspiring. Keep up the great work my friend. Excelsior!
I typed this before watching this video. This isn't only my favorite superhero movie but favorite movie period. Yes, better than the Dark Knight. It has far superior action scenes than the Dark Knight. It blends comic visuals and action with very human themes, balances Peter and Spider-Man's conflicts perfectly, creates a very unique, underrated villain with a clear motive, and the narrative is as focused and straight forward as it gets. Not to mention some of the best cinematic scenes ever that truly stuck with me as a child, such as both Doc Ock's experiment gone wrong, as well as him killing the doctors. The action sequences were unreal, between the side of the building fight and the infamous train scene. the writing and directing was just of the highest caliber. Oh and of course Danny Elfman's iconic music. This is why it kills me when people try saying Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie. He's my favorite superhero and that film was probably bottom 3 MCU films for me. It had countless issues, don't even get me started.
Ryan Floom please get started
This movie been trashed by mcu fans
Exactly Ryan, I'm with you 100%. Spider-Man 2 is the best. Homecoming is quite literally a joke.
Homecoming > Spider-Man 2.
@Kid Ikari
The spider man trilogy >The whole MCU
This channel is honestly criminally underrated.
It’s safe to say that we all hold the trilogy in a deep part in our hearts
Can't wait to hear the details! Loved the vid, best of luck.
You are my favorite youtuber.
Didn't really think why I thought it was the best beyond the fact I loved the villain, but knew the train scene was the most intense and rewarding action sequence in a superhero movie. You've nailed it.
All sam raimi spiderman movies are my favorite superhero movie of all time well the first 2 trilogy
Honestly that speach that Aunt May makes to Peter still makes me cry every time
When people say homecoming or far from home is better then Spider-Man 2 I come to this videos comment section and my faith in humanity becomes restored. I come to this video to receive hope..
Iron boy jr can't beat Spiderman I'm sure of it
I've seen some of your videos before but you just earned another subscriber
(Casually ignores the dark knight, which is not only the best comic book movie of all time but a top 20 movie ever)
Dude Spiderman 2 had great special effects that still hold up today, and the acting was fine! Still, great video!
Where Spider-Man succeeds, Peter Parker fails...
I think that the dark knight trilogy covers this aspect of the genre pretty good as well. Weis have the first movie, where bruce wayne sacrifices all of his modern day life as a rich playboy to overcome his weaknesses. Later in the movie he tosses out old friends of his parents to safely interact with ras al ghul and in the end he even lose rachel cause she doesnt want to be with him as long as he is batman. In the second installment of the series he faces the joker in which he made the ultimate sacrifice for taking all the blame for the muder, losing rachel and even has to overcome his no killing rule as he takes down harvey dent. Nothing had to happen if batman didnt exist. He even gets a similiar deciding situation as the joker gives him the chance to safe rachel oder harvey. In this particular scene something very interesting happens. He chose rachel. He is bruce wayne and not batman in this particular situation which makes the sacrifice even bigger, acknowledging that the joker tricked him by reversing the spots where they are captured. In the third movie he sacrifices his body, his identity and even his life as bruce wayne, who is officialy dead. actually i think the dark knight rises is the worst example of the 3 installment because its not a classic superhero movie.
to sum up Batman loses his love, his identity as bruce wayne, his health and his morals.
thanks for reading:P
Couldn't agree more. Spiderman 2 is easily the best superhero movie ever made, even beating the great Batman trilogy from Nolan. Such a great film.
Batman trilogy was crime movie
@@siddharth_0771 The Dark Knight was. The other two were superhero movies.
It's more enjoyable but dark knight goes deep, too deep which is why I consider TDK better.
Nope
You made me cry with your narration man.. The good old spiderman, I still remember running home with the dvd from the rental store in a remote village in India.
Your videos has good explaining and even if i don’t agree on your opinions/facts i still always click the like butten and that is becuse you allways has a point
Thanks :)
AGREE!
The Closer Look Hey man, great video! You were spot on, on everything! One thing I will disagree with you on is your criticism of Spider-Man (2002). You felt as if Raimi cheated on what he promised us with the bridge scene. However, Raimi, after a long time of studying his films I can assure you Raimi wouldn't build up something that big for nothing. I'll explain it below.
When you think about it, what is the main theme of the first Spider-Man? It is Peter's journey into living a life of responsibility, right? This main theme is split up into two core conflicts: choose to do what's right-- or give into your selfish desires. Or as Uncle Ben so eloquently put it, "These are the years when a man changes into the man he's gonna become the rest of his life-- just be careful who you change into." This is the main thing Peter struggles with throughout the film. His main desire of course is being with Mary Jane. Raimi takes this a step further and fleshes out the two core conflicts into real, living, breathing people. Those people being Uncle Ben-- and Norman Osborn. They are both portrayed as father figures with completely contrasting ideologies. Uncle Ben trying to get Peter to do the right thing... and Norman trying to get Peter to give in to his selfish desires. At the start of the film Peter leans toward the latter. He outright rejected Uncle Ben as his father in the car scene... but looked up to Norman completetely. Norman seeing him as sort of the son he never had. After Uncle Ben's death Peter stuggles with this conflict even more. On the rooftop scene, Norman tries to get Peter to join with him, because they could have everything they wanted... after all, the city didn't really care about Spider-Man anyway as far as he knew. And after the rooftop scene you see that Peter really did contemplate this. But it contrasted with what Uncle Ben told him. "Just because you can do something-- doesn't give you the right to. Remember, with great power, comes great responsibility"... and Peter ultimately rejects Norman's offer. This then leads us into the brilliance of the bridge scene.
Furious that Peter rejected his offer, Norman decides to force Peter into making a choice with between his selfish desires, and his responsibility, by making him choose to save his one main desire... Mary Jane.... or a group of kids and adults trapped in a lift. Hence the poetic line, "We are who we choose to be--now choose!" But like you said, Peter cheats it. He catches both. The whole bridge is both a symbolism, and a foreshadowing of a sacrifice he'll ultimately have to make. It's a symbolism in the sense that he's torn between two sides. He still isn't quite ready to give up his desires for the responsibility he knows he has to fullfill...yet.
That brings us to the final fight of the film. Norman is beating the snot out of Peter and has seemingly won. Norman then taunts Peter that he's gonna finish MJ off nice and slow. It was this moment when Peter realized that as long as he desires MJ, she'll always be in danger. Flash forward to the climax. Peter has won the fight, defeated Norman, and we are left with the two of them standing there. In a last pity attempt, Norman pleads with him. "I've been like a father to you... be a son to me now." to which Peter replies "I have a father, his name was Ben Parker." That was it. When Peter chose Ben as his father over Norman, he finally fully chose a life of responsibility over his own desires.
This is elaborated on in the graveyard scene. Mary Jane opens herself up to him. She essentially gives Peter everything he wanted throughout this entire film. "All I wanted, was to tell her how much I loved her." Peter thought to himself-- but he ultimately turned her down. He finally let go of his desires in order to live a life of responsibility. You see, Raimi didn't cheat us. Peter did have to make that same sacrifice in the end-- only in a way we weren't expecting.
Well said. A few days before watching this, I had written a fifteen page essay all about this! So glad people have noticed the same
As u said this movie has soul
I think The Dark Knight captures the idea of sacrifice as well as spider-man 2, although not its main idea, at the end Bruce says, I’m whatever Gotham needs me to be, so he took the blame of the Dent murders just so the people of Gotham wouldn’t lose faith in Harvey, their white knight, their true hero, we later see in the Dark Knight rises the toll that that decision had on Bruce, he lived depressed and alone for 8 years because of his sacrifice, he was the hero that Gotham deserved, the person willing to sacrifice everything for the people, but he wasn’t the one they needed, the people needed a hero without a mask, someone to look up to and that’s what Harvey dent was
Another brilliant video Henry
Thanks :)
The Closer Look YOU HIT 100K OMG CONGRATULATIONS!!!! What a way you have come m8 I was here when you had your gaming channel!
Sir this is a great video essay. With exception of your over-exaggerated English accent this is perfect LOL😊
🎶I believe there's a hero in all of us🎶
This movie is the quintessential superhero film. Thank you Sam Raimi.
I think I recall Doug Walker saying a long time ago that in Spider-Man 2, Peter doesn't have enough of a good reason to get rid of the suit. Your video beautifully illustrates why that's incorrect.
The Spider-Man trilogy changed my life forever.
Spiderman 2 has a lot of similarities with The Dark Knight:
- Lost their gf's due to their heroism
- Has a constant battle with the "I wanna stop all of this" idea.
- Has a villain that's always a step ahead of them.
- They can't stop being a hero since no one would be.
The main difference for me would be that Spiderman 2 projects the "Sacrifice" theme in a "lighter" manner; while The Dark Knight projects it in a (no pun intended) "darker" manner.
For example:
- Relationships: In SM2, Peter loses his girlfriend but only momentarily (they broke up). While in TDK, Bruce forever losses Rachel because of the Joker.
- Villain: Dr. Oct in SM2 only wants to finish his project. He doesn't care about Spiderman or anyone unless they are in their way. TDK's Joker for example, is for me the best villain character of all time. Joker doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about fame, he doesn't even fear death; all he cares about is to prove a point to Batman that anyone could become the next Joker when pushed to madness. No matter what Batman do, Joker is always ahead of him because he (the Joker) knows Batman's philosophies (and also how to counter them).
- Ending: SM2's ending was really great. Dr. Oct realised his evil deeds and proceeds to destroy his beloved project, killing him in the process. TDK however is way different - even if Joker was caught in the end, he still won. Even if the ferry boats didn't blew up, that wasn't his "main weapon" on his war with Batman. His main "ace" was Harvey Dent. Joker succeeded on making him a villain and you can see its vivid results in The Dark Knight Rises when Bane revealed the truth about Harvey. Joker won in the end - Bruce losses Rachel, Harvey become a villain, Batman was blamed for everything, and Bruce now questioned his "hero" identity and ultimately retired (you can see this at the beginning of TDKR where they say that "They haven't seen Bruce for ages" and that "Batman hasn't been spotted for 8 years now").
Both movies were excellent in projecting the "Sacrifice of a hero" theme, but the reason why Spiderman 2 won is because it projects it in a lighter, uplifting, and inspiring manner; where it gives hope that no matter how hard the situation is, light will always shine through. The Dark Knight ended - being dark. It's because that is the purpose of the movie in the trilogy. Batman begins signifies Dusk (beginning of Batman's descend into heroism where he has to fight a lot of bad guys), The Dark Knight signifies Midnight (the darkest of the darkest - losses his gf, villain won, etc), and The Dark Knight Rises signifies Dawn (defeated Bane, survived a broken back + escaped in an "almost" in-escapable prison, and he retired with a new girlfriend + has a successor).
Indeed it is about sacrifice. The scene where Spiderman saves the subway, stands with his arms outstretched is a symbolic of Jesus on the cross. Films are filled with symbolism.
David McKown Or because his arms were spread due to holding onto web lines on both sides.
I know that but it still invokes the Christlike imagery.
Not everything has to be Jesus. Outstretching one's arms is not an uncommon thing.
That scene is arguably the best superhero scene in all cinema, especially when the passengers catch a unmasked Peter after he blacks out, then carry him to lay him down the humanity I get emotional just talking about it.
The Sam Raimi Spiderman Trilogy will always be my favourite Marvel depiction of a superhero
This was one of my gripes with Homecoming. You can see where they were trying to follow this same principle, but the only problem was that they only went half-way. In Spider-Man 2, when Peter made a choice, the consequences always had a lingering presence. You honestly felt sorry for Peter because he was just trying to balance two different worlds. With Homecoming, we saw Peter make a choice and then only get a glimpse at the consequences. After that, it's either forgotten or easily brushed off. Peter skips decathlon... but the team wins without him and Liz even forgives him. Peter gets detention... yet he easily skimps out with little to no issue. Peter chooses to ditch Liz at homecoming... yet she forgives and forgets in the end. Like I said before, Homecoming was on the right track, but they instead chose to not make Peter suffer from his choices long enough for us to actually sympathize with him. Only then can you really feel happy along with Peter when he does have his moment in the light.
This is why I love your channel. You make a claim that can seem bizarre at first, but once you explain your reasoning, you view the featured film in a whole new light. Well done my good sir.
People who say Homecoming is better needs to look again
Shadow Oskay IMHO, homecoming was an aight marvel film but terrible Spider-Man movie. (Just my personal opinion.)
Samuel Slate Please explain, it might be due to my age but in my opinion spiderman 2 was boring, all the characters were boring and so un dynamic
Fish
To me, Spider-man has always been about consequences for actions (I.e. responsibility.) Spider-man 2 is about doing the right thing and suffering the consequences in one’s personal life. I.e. Peter wants a normal life but in order to do the right thing and still be Spider-Man, he has to sacrifice a normal life.
Homecoming completely gets rid of this. Rather than being motivated to ‘do the right thing’ the central conflict of the story is that Peter wants to be an avenger and impress Tony Stark. This is not the Spider-Man of the comics. Spider-Man makes mistakes, sure, but he’s motivated by guilt and a sense of responsibility to the people around him.
Moreover, in homecoming, there are little to no consequences of being Spider-Man in peter’s personal life. He ditches the school team but they let him back with open arms. He endangers people with his involvement despite Iron Man’s warnings and there’s no real consequence besides losing the ‘suit.’ His crush leaves for a different country at the end, but it really didn’t affect Peter because the crush had no real substance. Heck, even a shop gets blown up in the beginning and there are absolutely no personal ramifications in Peter’s personal life.
TL;DR Tobey’s Spider-Man has actual consequences to his actions and is motivated by doing the right thing. Homecoming Spider-Man has little consequences to his actions and is motivated by being a people pleaser. In my humble opinion tho. I like Holland a lot in Civil War and infinity war. Just don’t care for how he was written in homecoming.
Samuel Slate Heres something i noticed.
There are diffrent versions of spidey. A teen one and a grown one. Spidey tends to not have as many responsibilities but he chooses to fight enemies and do all these things. Of course hes motivated to become an avaenger. Hes a teenager! Hes dumb and selfish. The spiderman in spiderman 2 was so dull. He was just "im a good guy because im a good guy" He never failed, he didnt have any personality traits that distincted him from every other suphero character. Hes a teenager, he has other things to care about, school, friends and all that. Tobey was just such a cookie cutter spiderman. Bad stuff only happens to PETER, but as spiderman he can do everything perfectly. Hes the adult, more grown version. That spiderman is just way to uninteresting in my opinion. People dont like tom because he has flaws, but thats what makes spiderman diffrent then every other marvel character. If tobey were to be put into the MCU it would just make it so much worse
Fish Tobey's spider-man was extremely flawed. He's a walking guilt trip (as spider-man of the comics has always been, particularly in the Lee-Ditko era,) he lets some dude get beat up in Spider-Man 2 when he gave up being spider-man, and in spider-man 3 his pride and ego were already getting to him before he got possessed by the symbiote.
In Spider-Man 2, he literally fails like every other scene. He gets fired from his job within 5 minutes of the movie starting. MJ rejects him multiple times. He lets her down after not going to her play (implied to be the last of many times that Spider-Man has messed up his personal life.) He tells Aunt May that he was responsible for Uncle Ben's death causing tension. His best friend hates his guts for taking pictures of the man who he thinks killed his father. There is literally almost no part of Spider-Man 2 where he does not fail in some way.
I don't really get the criticism that spider-man does everything perfectly in the raimi trilogy. He repeatedly gets destroyed in fights before somehow coming in on top at the end of the movie. He gets the crap beaten out of him in spider-man 1 by Goblin, Doc Ock is a step ahead of him almost all the time in spider-man 2 until he has a heel face turn, and Spider-man 3 he really prob should have died after getting pummeled by sandman. (Not arguing that spider-man 3 is a great movie, cause it isn't)
People don't generally dislike Homecoming because Peter has "flaws." It's that those flaws have absolutely no consequences. "Selfish" and "Dumb" are probably the opposite adjectives that should describe a highly intelligent but guilt ridden, flawed teenager like Peter Parker.
Even in the Ultimate Universe which was more of a "kid" version, there are repeated consequences to Peter's actions in his life that were not present in Homecoming.
If you want a kid version of spider-man done right, I highly recommend The Spectacular Spider-Man. It's so good!
Great video, man.
+Abhishek Tarafdar Thanks :)
TOBEY MAGUIRE IS GOAT
DD8081 What's that supposed to mean?!
DD8081 Ok, thank you!
First we both love Thor, and now you agree with me on the brilliance of Spider-Man 2? You really are great. Thanks man, this is a film that needs to be talked about more.
Raindrops keep fallin' on my head
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And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin' seems to fit
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Those raindrops are fallin' on my head, they keep fallin'
I think you should have included the scenes in which he views how bad the city is getting without him. He watches a college student get jumped in an alley in the middle of the day with no one who’ll help him. Criminals running rampant while he eats a hot dog. And psychopaths with mechanical arms doing whatever they please. Because of him no longer sacrificing his personal gain, the city as a whole suffers. Without his sacrifice, crime increases, regular people just trying to get by end up beaten up in the hospital, even those kids who he saves at the beginning, some other two kids running in the street could have died while he stopped being Spiderman. So while his personal gain increases, everything around him suffers. Which is why he’s such a great hero. He even sacrifices his improving life to help people. So maybe the next time that college kid steps into the wrong alley, he’ll walk out without any broken ribs. So that those bank robbers won’t get away. So that those kids will learn to stay out of the street. And even just to give somebody a little bit of hope for tomorrow.
This movie is why spiderman is my favorite super hero😭😭💯