18:02 Ichsan is such a troll man. "If you concede 3 but score 4, you still win the game" is a meme in Indonesia from a local pundit here. Love that he somehow managed to squeeze that answer in.
I got back into FM after a many year break about a month ago. Watched a whole bunch of your videos, but this is the first one that I have hit the thumbs up on. The understanding of how he wants the whole team to act and making sure that every part of the team is working towards that goal engine was brilliant. I will be going through my 4-2-4/4-3-3 asymmetric tactic with a fine toothed comb to see what I can do to fine tune it based on this knowledge.
it's bullshit mate. FM has been proven to be a placebo simulator. just go to fm-arena and look at the best tactics; they ALL have double DM on support, fullbacks on attack etc. the only differences are 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2. there is basically nothing else. FM needs a complete match engine re-vamp, because as of right now it's just exploitable with these tactics.
About "one year playing experience" is true, he talked about it in of podcast, ikhsan start plaing FM last year just because it came as a bonus from his apple arcade subscription, start from FM touch and work his way to FM PC. The one that has much experience is Danar (the assistant) who played it since CM era
I put Barnsley, from league 1, into the Premier league. Didn't make any transfers or anything so it was still a league 1 side. They finished 18th, by a point. While using this tactic. I think that shows how insane it is
its depend on the player style and atributtes..if player cant adapt the strategy/style..analyze the player more..its different team and player so different result
17:45 Actually the one who has played for 20 years is his assistant. Ichsan is legit just started playing for a year. And Ichsan beat his assistant in the national championship.
I'm Indonesian and I watch his stream explaining his tactics with videos while in final match... And I surprised how deep he thinking about his strategies. (bpd with dribble more, fb stay wide cut inside, etc). In the world cup I also confident that Indonesian will win the cup because in the term of FM Draft, here (Indonesia FM Draft League) is more-more harder than the world tournament)
it has the flaws, put vinicius or mbappe a like at flanks , go low block or mid block, put tony kroos alike in AM or MC , play direct pass, cross early, had 2 BWM to kill their dribbling at flanks, stop their cross
Actually i think i remember something about opposition instructions either lichsan or the assistant said it directly from an interview, they change it frequently and adjust to the opponent flow. It make a huge difference when the match start. that's why ichsan said in the last part KNOWLEDGE is the key.
Can you still watch it somewhere ? And guessing the video aint in english? Would love to watch it otherwise. This guy made me think of stuff that seems so logical yet I never even considered it, I love it
@@p0lter7 Yes, i guess this was the video, around the 56 minutes mark. ua-cam.com/video/oLFNE1bTKGw/v-deo.htmlsi=HP02G-k1PsBwwZ8k he didnt really explain it in depth, but he does say that, he identified that the Germans tactics on the Grandfinal, was a 3 centre strikers attack, utilizing wingbacks to feed them. He effectively shutdown the flanks, and the tactics crumbled.
18:02 is an ancient proverb that was created by Indonesia-Dutch football coach from the year 1885, his name was Justinus Lhaksana "lu kegolan 3 goal tapi balas 4 goal, you still win the game" coaches with good knowledge and tactician master class follow this teaching proverb.
From the podcast he did in Indonesia, i think he actually started playing in FM2023, while the assman actually the one play longer (FM08 if i'm not mistaken)
Rotate sensibly and create a tactic where you can rest on the ball when you're 2 or 3 goals up... I took Reading from League One to the Europa League in THREE seasons signing only 7 players. Best tactic I've seen.
I'm fully invested in this video. This one tactic helped me completely destroy the French Ligue with AS Monaco. I know this because I created a tactic that was supposed to fit my Monaco team and they struggled to win games, but BOOM, this tactic that doesn't fit the Monaco team somehow wins every game with the Monaco team. It's insane.🤣
Additional IMPORTANT strategies for this tactic 1.) Get rid of bad and mid staffs ASAP. a little money sacrifices (termination and higher wage) but u wanna prioritize the best medic staff at least because of the tactic intensity 2.) GOOD ROTATION STRATEGY, is needed. That is the one lacking if we play simulate matches because the AI is stupid when it comes to player rotation. Always doing full rotation in domestic cup, with academy player sitting on the bench, so the main team can be fully rested for next weekend. This is also the reason that's quite hard to win domestic cup at the beginning of the saves, like Ichsan did with Sporting 3) Use individual training to maximize player's familiarity of his role, prioritize that over attributes development. Eventually if your player playing good week in week out, because of maximum tactical familiarity, he will happy and still develop the ability anyway
Tried his tactic, it's insane how effective it is. Maybe the timing is good or maybe I got the right players. My current Save is Fulham in 2035, Haaland era is about to come to an end, this tactic helped me dominate Prem with ease, xG rate is skyrocketing and my forwards scoring goal for fun. What I notice is how effective this tactic is utilizing the FBs, they created assist a lot more than usual.
this is my FM problem. i play the game for 24 years (since championship manager 00/01) but something i never had much patience was tactics. I use the formation a lot, usually with a ball playing midfielder and a advanced playmaker in the middle, usually controlling the ball or tiki taka. But I focus mostly on finding wonderkids and have very good prospects from all over the world, where i take my time to develop them and make the team stronger. I love finding good players from unlikely countries, I spend hours checking national teams and other clubs. Also even in the attributes I don't care that much besides 4 or 5, I tend to see the stars and mostly the scout feedback. So I can see myself winning the premier league with wolves in like 3 seasons. Only once at stoke I managed to win the premier league in the first season, pretty much with the players the team had. My focus has been mostly developing small clubs all over europe, instead of being a tactic pro which I definitely should have trained. Probably one day I'll try to win a premier league with a smaller club again, I still to this day don't know how I done it with stoke, and it was fm 09/10 or something. How on earth this guy has been playing the game for so little.... I mean I never played an fm version since 21, which is the one I play now. The adaptation of the tactics to the attributes of each player was very smart.
Came here to say this. Realistically no one was gonna win this tournament without using a tactic like this. It's kinda what makes multiplayer FM less exciting than other games in multiplayer.
Very cool! One thing I realized is that its very similar to the Katana 4-2-3-1 ATT on which u already did a video when u covered the best tactics in FM
This tactic is genius! Used it for a Mönchengladbach (mid tabel team) Save in the Bundesliga .. won the League in the 2nd Season! Its really good but exhaust your players.. so you need to rotate much... Nice!
This strat is legit insane. I started as an employed Sunday League coach on Gunma which is in the second division of Japan wanting to attempt relegation. Ended up winning the J2 in my first season and then the J1 in my first season after climbing. I had Wycombe reach 5th in my second Premier League season after getting the promotion while spending 1.5m in salaries (second worst btw). Won 3/4 CL with Panathinaikos. Legit best strat ever, because it breaks the game engine.
Well.... Playing fm17 as AC Milan, 3rd season, finally top by 1 point, playing a solid 4231, AF, attacking FB, inside forwards on support.... Added all these bits to the tactic and I've blown away some teams. Won the league and cup, UCL tbc. It's good!
13 minutes in, and it’s clear why you’re the top Football Manager content creator. This video on tactics is miles ahead of the creators you reacted to in your last video. The script, editing, cutaways, and your voiceover - all top-tier work.
Thanks for doing this Zealand. I have seen other coverage of Ichsan's tactic, but you provided his insight, combined with your own observations- which are all immensely helpful. I am definately going to tinker with this in my long running save.
His BPD on dribble more, his DM as playing their natural game as destroyer and creator, and tackle harder is also my first thing to do on day one if I am creating tactics. If he were not the winner of the world, everybody would say his tactics were crap because of too many contradactory mixups.
First question was fun because that's basically how real life coaches play their DMs. In fact, his entire tactic is pretty common for irl football, so I'm also a bit surprise to why this is impressive.
His tactic looks a lot like Ten Hag his tactic at Ajax, especially compared to how it was remade by this swedish guy for football manager 2019. It had the two ballplaying defenders, Blind and De Ligt behind Lasse Schone (playing in defensive midfield) and Frenkie de Jong. It also reminds me a bit of a remake of a Pellagrini tactic for Football manager 2014. That was a 4-4-2 also based around what the tactic maker described as "interiores" as used in South America a lot. In that tactic one of the two inside forwards was an advanced playmaker that would tuck in and roam around. Upfront there was a Trequarista and a Complete Forward but I often found that a target forward would also work well (maybe to hold the ball)
This is about the same tactics as what ive used for my Galatasaray and won 3 times the Championsleague in the first 5 seasons (after that i quit playing, am waiting on FM 2025). The biggest difference is that ive used it assymetric and my becks where wingback instead of fullback. I use the full squad with a lots of rotation, thats how i play FM for ages (since 1992). One side will be always on support while the other side will always be on attack. Which flank i use as attacking side depends on the rotation but the stronger and more expensive side is usually on attack. Another difference is that one of my defensive midfielder is on attack (the playmaker). For the rest its pretty much the same. I always use my own custom training schemes and the first thing i do is getting my coaching staff as soon as possible to +4 stars and dont stop searching for better coaches. It usually takes about 3 years to do so. With this ive reached to the possibility to sign Yamal for an astounding 320m euros, and after half a season with Yamal i quit playing. The only thing i can say is that i was lucky that Galatasaray already played with this formation and i tweaked it how it would fit me more. I do also play with 3 tactics with 1 being my main and the other 2 is used as extreme attacking formation and a more defensive tactics in which i can let my team play more offensifly.
This is a superb video, with the knowledge dropped, the co-op with the reigning FM world champion, the great presentation, especially the animations and editing. Well done Zealand and team! Ichsan!
Omg, this seems a lot like what Thiago Motta wants to impliment at Juventus. Wanted to start playing football manager but was scared. I a juve fan, I can start playing with the team I love and kinda use the actual tactics they want to impliment. Omg
@zealand bro you should ask this guy about the tactic also, he's the assistant manager to ikhsan during the world cup. He's the 'veteran' to partner with the 'wonderkid' hahaha Love your vids from indonesia since 2021!
On Determination. I’m pretty sure on an old version of CM, the hints and tips displayed after hitting continue game showed that high determination would make an attacking player more likely to score or assist an equaliser or winning goal.
This is legit Finalshot AKUTAC which was uploaded 3 months before WC happened. God of chaos was uploaded 6 days after wc ended, its 99% the same besides 2 instructions and author claims its not copied or inspired by the wc one, just 4-2-3-1 are usually "too similar" 🙄
I don't understand the full backs on attack with underlap on. Isn't the idea is that the IFs hold up the ball for the full backs to overlap? How does that play out.
I think this highlights why a full rework of tactics is necessary. It doesn't make sense that tackle harder and having max intensity tactics is the standard to win. The penalty for these is not high enough. they should be used only in certain scenarios, and with very high risk. Also when you mentioned the width on defending as "narrow" that's not correct, the narrow option is on the "in possession" tab, should not affect your defending. I really don't think there should be so many individual instructions, it only makes the game engine more complicated and easier to break/overpower. The player role and the team tactics should be more than enough.
ermm, just FYI, "Tackle Harder" has been the winning formula since ... CM99? 😅 I mean, I stopped at FM06, restarted at FM20 (and only because it's free), and I "Tackled Harder" again. Still works. 😅 FM has always been about figuring out/breaking the game engine eventually. Because, at the end of the day, it's still just a simulation game.
Agree about tackle harder. I was part of a bug report first flagged in 2022 and it is still running, it was clear that the game didn't distribute yellow cards as it should in that I could play with stay on feet and the AI would kick chunks out of me and Id get more yellows. Opponents could accumulate over 30 fouls to my 8 and the yellow card distribution would be even, and at times Id have more, quite frequently the opponent would have none. We know SI balance the game so things like number of cards (and other things) mirror real life statistics and it was clear that distribution of yellow cards was unrealistic and not down to what happened in game but was balanced as per the numbers they feel are realistic. Of course despite a lot of evidence including our own card counts not rising when we used aggressive tackling this was said not to be an issue. So yes it needs a rework as currently as you have mentioned, Ive seen and the guy here said there is no downside to using them.
It's correct that the narrow instruction is in possession, but your team won't lose much shape in transition after losing the ball since they are inviting crosses and already was playing narrow.
I've always regarded determination as a priority. I feel like if you have more highly determined players, you'll be that team that finds a way to score that 9oth min winner more often than not.
I don't (prioritized High Det players), but I also believe this is correct. I guess my thinking is if I managed to get 20+ world-class PROFESSIONAL-minimum players, trained them up and then whacked teams silly 3-0, in the end it doesn't matter if they have 5+ Determination more than me and score a consolation goal.
Yo Zealand, thanks for doing this video, you've just rekindled my waning enthusiasm for FM. I've been playing for 30 years and never used or downloaded another players tactics, but after watching the video, I thought why not, never seen or tried anything like that, so I am and I don't even mind losing a game or two. Actually that last bit is wrong I hate it when I lose.
It's very similar to the 4-3-3 Terzic by a guy who makes a lot of tactics, slightly modified instructions but every player position and role is identical.
This tactic is great but as a plug and play, knap's best points per game tactic outperformed it during my tests. Very curious if there are other people observing similar or different results.
Hey Zealand, I just wanted to say I started a save with my beloved Sporting CP, I'm using a variation of the Amorim tactic, a perfectly symmetric 3-4-2-1 with inverted forwards. I applied all the team and positional instructions shown in this video and the result is devastating. With the new "FM25 DLC" fixes, I'm averaging 5 goals per game in the league, almost nobody can score goals vs me, and even Conrad Harder scores goals like Gyökeres. This is so crazy that it feels like cheating. I highly recommend anyone to try a fresh save, pick a system with proper positions that allow the same instructions and see for yourselves. Assymmetric tactics may not work as well since these instructions rely a lot on maintaining positional coherence.
As someone who literally always asks fullbacks to cut inside with the ball, sets center backs as ball playing defenders with dribble more, and uses DMs in support role even when they are lone DMs, I'm not surprised here at all. I think all of those instructions are far superior to the standard ones.
Maybe I am blind, but I can't find a downloadlink here or at Ichsan's channel... I mean pretty much everything is shown in this video. But the instructions for DM and AM are missing.
Wild, I tried to combine the best overall tactic from fm-arena with the best 4-2-4 and ended up with basically exactly Ichsan's get a goal tactic after five seasons of trial and error.
I've been using a variation of this with many of the same principles using a 4-2-2-2 with 2 attacking midfielders and two strikers instead of the 2 wingers. It has been working like a charm. I added in a couple things from the video and its working even better.
This tactic is OP. I downloaded maybe a week ago and literally you will absolutely wreck everyone in your league with only a decent team. Especially lower leagues. You will kill everyone in the lower leagues lol. For an example, I did a youth only save in wales, dropped all my players after the first season, and started my way in the JD premier with just the YA. We came mid table despite being "up against it" every single match... it is OP. My 6 CA striker was doing very well when he had no business doing so. Another example, Started in Gibraltar with awful Europa point FC. Ran the league and only lost twice..and those were the last 2 games after I already clinched the league title. I was losing players along the way and not replacing them and still doing well. It kinda makes things a bit too easy.
I had a similar tactic in my England L20 to Prem save this year. Everyone was "tackle harder". I got something silly like 180 yellow cards but stayed up with a payroll of 70k p/w
That 4-2-3-1 is insane. I literally took a bottom of the barrel team in the Korean 2nd division, England League 1, and Japan J3 team to at least promotion playoffs in the first season. EDIT: One thing I wanted to mention is that I actually don't dislike double BPD, with two DMs, either DLP or DM on support. This is because you form a 2-2 box in defense, with the fullbacks up and wide to draw the wingers. You end up in a 4 v 2, and if the opponent's midfield commits to the press, the AM on roam from position and move into channels can move into space to receive a fast ground pass to feet. Almost all of my tactics used this sort of box midfield and took advantage of move into channels to get the ball up the field, especially with my narrow formations.
Hey Zealand, thanks for the video! It helps understand plenty of things and see those with other perspective. I have a suggestion, a follow up a video looking at players stats and qualities for each position. What to look for. I will be super interested in that! Thanks again. If that already exist, what to look for on each position can you point me in the right direction?
Funnily enough the closest team to this tactic is can think of in the premier league is slots liverpool. A lot of similarities honestly and they have had an incredible start.
Am Indonesian, been following you for years… This is a good fresh of air… Knowing our fellow country man won the world champ of my most favorite game. Congrats Iksan ma man!!
they emphasize 4231 by overload positions at flanks, alot of dribbling, focus plays at both fllanks, exploit every deadball situations, and heavy man to man marking at opponent attackers, even fullback got man marking by their attackers too, their tactics are not without a flaws either, the keys to exploit their flaws are midblock / low block, using carrilero and ball winning midfielder to stop their dribbling plays, great long passing capability like tony kroos, speed and technical like mbappe and vinicius, why? because they man marking, you need speed and precision
I recently watched Ichsan's stream and join the Indonesian FM community. I remember he said that he doesn't always do man marking. When the winger is obviously faster and stronger, he removed the marking instruction and opted to close down instead. Ichsan is a type that always tweaking Opposition Instruction in a mid game, and that's just an everyday occurence in IDFM league.
EDIT: Also, how do you run such a high intensity tactic outside of the premium teams? My 12+ Stamina players are all 60% or lower by the end of the match and I think would die mid season. Especially when you don't have good depth. You touched on it here and there, but as a new FM player (and especially one who's more interested in taking bottom tier clubs, and rising through the ranks) I'd like more insight on what quality of player is required to make a top-tier tactic work. Would be interesting to see how Ichsan might build for a tiny minor league, vs. a mediocre, non-top league national club, vs. an international powerhouse. How would a person start building a tactic around a team, and then the team around the tactic. There are hints throughout the video that players matter- so tactics can't really be plug and play for everyone, right?
The best tactics are mostly plug-and-play. A 4231 gengenpress like this is supposed to work in any league and division in the world, barring some minor player instructions tweaks
what missing from zealand video but present in ichsan interview in indonesian is that he's always prioritize improve backroom staff to atleast 4 star before tweaking tactics.
@@SaKa-ex2nb haha, I don't even know what that means yet... Staff have stars too?I've seen coaches with reputation but I just sign staff with highest core attribute values.
First time FM player: I tried to emulate the tactic after watching the world cup and won, after one season to get my squad done, three triples with Dortmund, with one invincible season in the league. It works.
Man city, Dortmund, and Barcelona are crazy compatible with this tactics. Smaller that has similar profile would be Espanyol, Porto, and Stuttgart. Try the tactics with these teams
The visualizations are incredibly helpful! Props to the editor!
I support this comment fully, Zealand can I borrow your Editor? I'll give him back, I promise.
I edited the video, but the tactical animations were all by the great Tom Leggosaurus🔥
FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup). no genius in sight
@@ReeceTheEditor Thanks Reece, how can I contact you?
As a wolves fan, think we've identified our new manager
Ichsan!
lmao!
Another wolves fan in the wild?!?! I heard they exist but never seen one myself haha
@@djzizzly 😂😂
I live in wolvo up the wolves lad
18:02 Ichsan is such a troll man. "If you concede 3 but score 4, you still win the game" is a meme in Indonesia from a local pundit here. Love that he somehow managed to squeeze that answer in.
Looks to me it's just a line from Johan Cruyff to be honest, or the pundit paraphrased Cruyff
Like mentioned, it's a Cruijff quote.
@@bv2623the pundit is a big fan of cryuff yes
Cruijff is the King of such phrases. Theres a ton of them. All so simple its brilliant
Also a quote from Ego in blue lock
I got back into FM after a many year break about a month ago. Watched a whole bunch of your videos, but this is the first one that I have hit the thumbs up on. The understanding of how he wants the whole team to act and making sure that every part of the team is working towards that goal engine was brilliant. I will be going through my 4-2-4/4-3-3 asymmetric tactic with a fine toothed comb to see what I can do to fine tune it based on this knowledge.
it's bullshit mate. FM has been proven to be a placebo simulator. just go to fm-arena and look at the best tactics; they ALL have double DM on support, fullbacks on attack etc. the only differences are 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2. there is basically nothing else.
FM needs a complete match engine re-vamp, because as of right now it's just exploitable with these tactics.
About "one year playing experience" is true, he talked about it in of podcast, ikhsan start plaing FM last year just because it came as a bonus from his apple arcade subscription, start from FM touch and work his way to FM PC. The one that has much experience is Danar (the assistant) who played it since CM era
Wow CM era, nostalgic banget
1995 yg luar biasa pakai window 95
I put Barnsley, from league 1, into the Premier league. Didn't make any transfers or anything so it was still a league 1 side. They finished 18th, by a point. While using this tactic. I think that shows how insane it is
Where did you find the download for it?
its depend on the player style and atributtes..if player cant adapt the strategy/style..analyze the player more..its different team and player so different result
FM Scout, you can just type "fm scout fifae world cup 2024 champions tactic" on google@@jasonblackmore8904
18th is good???
@@VikingOfHumleYou didnt even read.
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"We're good at set pieces, so why not?" is a life saving change in perspective.
17:45 Actually the one who has played for 20 years is his assistant. Ichsan is legit just started playing for a year. And Ichsan beat his assistant in the national championship.
But this is ichsan, he likes trolling people...
It's actually amazing to see what might be considered a standard 4-2-3-1 gegenpress elevated to the next level using the player instructions.
and all that just by stealing the tactic from: FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup)
This guy personifies the "Simple is best" method really. No overthinking at all.
I don't know, there''s some pretty granular fiddling with the tactic which is fully justified by him
But the chalange was high, it cross border human capability.
I'm Indonesian and I watch his stream explaining his tactics with videos while in final match... And I surprised how deep he thinking about his strategies. (bpd with dribble more, fb stay wide cut inside, etc). In the world cup I also confident that Indonesian will win the cup because in the term of FM Draft, here (Indonesia FM Draft League) is more-more harder than the world tournament)
Did he mention what instructions the 2 DM's had?
@@reecestephenson1821 original DM supports with tackle harder
@@reecestephenson1821 original DM Supports with tackle harder
@@reecestephenson1821nothing apart from just tackle harder. He just put 2 different type/characters of players and let it rest
it has the flaws, put vinicius or mbappe a like at flanks , go low block or mid block, put tony kroos alike in AM or MC , play direct pass, cross early, had 2 BWM to kill their dribbling at flanks, stop their cross
“Knowledge” - aka i ain’t giving any secrets away i wanna win next year too 😂 👏
Actually i think i remember something about opposition instructions either lichsan or the assistant said it directly from an interview, they change it frequently and adjust to the opponent flow. It make a huge difference when the match start. that's why ichsan said in the last part KNOWLEDGE is the key.
Note: English is not my first language , Bahasa is. so i'm sorry if you don't get what i said in the comments.
Can you still watch it somewhere ? And guessing the video aint in english? Would love to watch it otherwise. This guy made me think of stuff that seems so logical yet I never even considered it, I love it
@@p0lter7
Yes, i guess this was the video, around the 56 minutes mark.
ua-cam.com/video/oLFNE1bTKGw/v-deo.htmlsi=HP02G-k1PsBwwZ8k
he didnt really explain it in depth, but he does say that, he identified that the Germans tactics on the Grandfinal, was a 3 centre strikers attack, utilizing wingbacks to feed them. He effectively shutdown the flanks, and the tactics crumbled.
@@FleischerJack really late but thank you!
18:02 is an ancient proverb that was created by Indonesia-Dutch football coach from the year 1885, his name was Justinus Lhaksana "lu kegolan 3 goal tapi balas 4 goal, you still win the game"
coaches with good knowledge and tactician master class follow this teaching proverb.
Hahaha...😂ancient
Maaf bang tapi itu aslinya dari Johan Cruyff 🙏
@@dipaaa3219 its a joke.....
Gak diajak no, lagian itu joke @@dipaaa3219
18:00 those are actually the words of football pundit in Indonesia, Justinus Lhaksana 🤣
Who i must say. Has stupid stupid amount of takes. Genuinely disregard him.
Easily the most famous one. That guy is everywhere lol
KOCHIIIII
It's actually from SAF initially.
BNBWT moment akwoakwo
I’m so glad that this has got broken down. You can tell so much genius has gone into this tactic
This was honesty the best video ive seen. Learned more from this then 50 other videos combined
From the podcast he did in Indonesia, i think he actually started playing in FM2023, while the assman actually the one play longer (FM08 if i'm not mistaken)
Rotate sensibly and create a tactic where you can rest on the ball when you're 2 or 3 goals up... I took Reading from League One to the Europa League in THREE seasons signing only 7 players.
Best tactic I've seen.
Simplest knowledge bomb ever. Get players that play the role you want them to play.
18:00 thats actually a famous quote line from Indonesia's Pundit, Justinus Lhaksana,
"lu kebobolan 3 gol lu cetak 4 gol, you still win the game"
I swear I heard this quote from Jurgen Klopp. Before VVD & Alisson came.
@@AIIXIII0 probably because thats what johan cruyff said iirc
I'm fully invested in this video. This one tactic helped me completely destroy the French Ligue with AS Monaco. I know this because I created a tactic that was supposed to fit my Monaco team and they struggled to win games, but BOOM, this tactic that doesn't fit the Monaco team somehow wins every game with the Monaco team. It's insane.🤣
I like that lol it doesn't fit your team but it works for them. Sounds about right for a game like this 😂 hope you make the most of it and win 🏆
Yo could destroy ligue 1 france with bordeux with this tactics 😂
FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup)
@@timmiaushamburgwhy you try so hard bruh? 😂
It’s ICHSANe
Additional IMPORTANT strategies for this tactic
1.) Get rid of bad and mid staffs ASAP. a little money sacrifices (termination and higher wage) but u wanna prioritize the best medic staff at least because of the tactic intensity
2.) GOOD ROTATION STRATEGY, is needed. That is the one lacking if we play simulate matches because the AI is stupid when it comes to player rotation. Always doing full rotation in domestic cup, with academy player sitting on the bench, so the main team can be fully rested for next weekend. This is also the reason that's quite hard to win domestic cup at the beginning of the saves, like Ichsan did with Sporting
3) Use individual training to maximize player's familiarity of his role, prioritize that over attributes development. Eventually if your player playing good week in week out, because of maximum tactical familiarity, he will happy and still develop the ability anyway
I’ve had an opposite reaction. My players (including the bombing fullbacks) are less fatigued than before.
staff has been proven to be almost completely irrelevant and so is training. see fm-arena forum for further information.
Also make sure to have good squad depth! I did a Chelsea rebuild and the hardest thing at the time was finding suitable players that fit my system
18:00 that's some Johan Cruyff level of thinking
Actually he's quoting a Cruyff maniac
Tried his tactic, it's insane how effective it is. Maybe the timing is good or maybe I got the right players. My current Save is Fulham in 2035, Haaland era is about to come to an end, this tactic helped me dominate Prem with ease, xG rate is skyrocketing and my forwards scoring goal for fun. What I notice is how effective this tactic is utilizing the FBs, they created assist a lot more than usual.
this is my FM problem. i play the game for 24 years (since championship manager 00/01) but something i never had much patience was tactics. I use the formation a lot, usually with a ball playing midfielder and a advanced playmaker in the middle, usually controlling the ball or tiki taka. But I focus mostly on finding wonderkids and have very good prospects from all over the world, where i take my time to develop them and make the team stronger. I love finding good players from unlikely countries, I spend hours checking national teams and other clubs. Also even in the attributes I don't care that much besides 4 or 5, I tend to see the stars and mostly the scout feedback. So I can see myself winning the premier league with wolves in like 3 seasons.
Only once at stoke I managed to win the premier league in the first season, pretty much with the players the team had. My focus has been mostly developing small clubs all over europe, instead of being a tactic pro which I definitely should have trained. Probably one day I'll try to win a premier league with a smaller club again, I still to this day don't know how I done it with stoke, and it was fm 09/10 or something. How on earth this guy has been playing the game for so little.... I mean I never played an fm version since 21, which is the one I play now. The adaptation of the tactics to the attributes of each player was very smart.
18:00 legendary quotes from legendary man
I would have nightmares if I asked my ball playing defenders to dribble more.
The man who is seriously making me think I need to start Duo Lingo or Rosetta Stone to learn Indonesian. ;)
"BPD with dribble more.... Wow I like it...." He really is the Sun Tzu of Football Manager.
18:01 Anyink dijawab pake quote si Jastok botak XD
@@xanadu7978 jastok mah bilang kebobolan 9 tapi cetak gol 10
Johan Cruyff sumbernya
The tactic is just the highest rated 4231 on fm-arena, no? It used to be the highest rated overall until someone discovered the 4-2-2-2
Yeah, most of the top 4231 tatcis on fm-arena are variations of this
Checked and there are differences in the backline
As a serial downloader of tactics, I second this
@@kielmeakin4901I'll never understand the people that download or copy tactics, whats the point?
Came here to say this. Realistically no one was gonna win this tournament without using a tactic like this. It's kinda what makes multiplayer FM less exciting than other games in multiplayer.
WorkTheSpace has never clicked a video quicker
Assalamualaikum bro. What happened to your channel. Why did you stop uploading?
He tried to click on this video, but pressed the wrong one and resigned instead #WorkTheJobCenter
Very cool! One thing I realized is that its very similar to the Katana 4-2-3-1 ATT on which u already did a video when u covered the best tactics in FM
Yeah...almost *suspiciously* similar...
In one of his interviews, Ichsan mentioned that his first ever taste of FM were with FM 23, which is crazy considering he's a world champion now.
Bener bro tapi dia memiliki asisten pelatih yang cukup lama bermain FM dan sangat hapal betul pemain pemain sesuai kebutuhan taktik bro iksan
nothing crazy about it if you know how to exploit match engine, which ALL of the participants did.
@@javanessepride1705Berarti asisten pelatih benar2 mendukung kinerja Ichsan, kerja sama yang perfect
This tactic is genius! Used it for a Mönchengladbach (mid tabel team) Save in the Bundesliga .. won the League in the 2nd Season! Its really good but exhaust your players.. so you need to rotate much... Nice!
Update: 3rd Season: Won the League again and also won the Champions League! This tactic is killer!
This strat is legit insane. I started as an employed Sunday League coach on Gunma which is in the second division of Japan wanting to attempt relegation. Ended up winning the J2 in my first season and then the J1 in my first season after climbing. I had Wycombe reach 5th in my second Premier League season after getting the promotion while spending 1.5m in salaries (second worst btw). Won 3/4 CL with Panathinaikos. Legit best strat ever, because it breaks the game engine.
Well.... Playing fm17 as AC Milan, 3rd season, finally top by 1 point, playing a solid 4231, AF, attacking FB, inside forwards on support....
Added all these bits to the tactic and I've blown away some teams. Won the league and cup, UCL tbc.
It's good!
The most important thing is that he managed to choose players who fit the tactics he wants.
13 minutes in, and it’s clear why you’re the top Football Manager content creator. This video on tactics is miles ahead of the creators you reacted to in your last video. The script, editing, cutaways, and your voiceover - all top-tier work.
Thanks for doing this Zealand. I have seen other coverage of Ichsan's tactic, but you provided his insight, combined with your own observations- which are all immensely helpful. I am definately going to tinker with this in my long running save.
this dude looks just like zealandism its crazy
Crossover when? 🤔 😂
Nah, don't compare Zealand to that copycat.
Zealand, balls.
Balls
@@ethanprince356 balls
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His BPD on dribble more, his DM as playing their natural game as destroyer and creator, and tackle harder is also my first thing to do on day one if I am creating tactics.
If he were not the winner of the world, everybody would say his tactics were crap because of too many contradactory mixups.
First question was fun because that's basically how real life coaches play their DMs. In fact, his entire tactic is pretty common for irl football, so I'm also a bit surprise to why this is impressive.
His tactic looks a lot like Ten Hag his tactic at Ajax, especially compared to how it was remade by this swedish guy for football manager 2019. It had the two ballplaying defenders, Blind and De Ligt behind Lasse Schone (playing in defensive midfield) and Frenkie de Jong.
It also reminds me a bit of a remake of a Pellagrini tactic for Football manager 2014. That was a 4-4-2 also based around what the tactic maker described as "interiores" as used in South America a lot. In that tactic one of the two inside forwards was an advanced playmaker that would tuck in and roam around. Upfront there was a Trequarista and a Complete Forward but I often found that a target forward would also work well (maybe to hold the ball)
This is about the same tactics as what ive used for my Galatasaray and won 3 times the Championsleague in the first 5 seasons (after that i quit playing, am waiting on FM 2025). The biggest difference is that ive used it assymetric and my becks where wingback instead of fullback. I use the full squad with a lots of rotation, thats how i play FM for ages (since 1992). One side will be always on support while the other side will always be on attack. Which flank i use as attacking side depends on the rotation but the stronger and more expensive side is usually on attack. Another difference is that one of my defensive midfielder is on attack (the playmaker). For the rest its pretty much the same. I always use my own custom training schemes and the first thing i do is getting my coaching staff as soon as possible to +4 stars and dont stop searching for better coaches. It usually takes about 3 years to do so.
With this ive reached to the possibility to sign Yamal for an astounding 320m euros, and after half a season with Yamal i quit playing. The only thing i can say is that i was lucky that Galatasaray already played with this formation and i tweaked it how it would fit me more. I do also play with 3 tactics with 1 being my main and the other 2 is used as extreme attacking formation and a more defensive tactics in which i can let my team play more offensifly.
Every time I see a new video, it’s a treat!
This is a superb video, with the knowledge dropped, the co-op with the reigning FM world champion, the great presentation, especially the animations and editing. Well done Zealand and team! Ichsan!
I just won J3 League UNDEFEATED with this tactic and a few tweaks. It's the best tactic I have ever seen.
Omg, this seems a lot like what Thiago Motta wants to impliment at Juventus. Wanted to start playing football manager but was scared. I a juve fan, I can start playing with the team I love and kinda use the actual tactics they want to impliment. Omg
❤❤❤ @zealand from Indonesia
@zealand bro you should ask this guy about the tactic also, he's the assistant manager to ikhsan during the world cup.
He's the 'veteran' to partner with the 'wonderkid' hahaha
Love your vids from indonesia since 2021!
"If you concede 3, but you score 4 you still win the game."
Kayak familiar bang jurdun
Tidur dulu ga sih 😴😴😴
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Dirtek yang punya 20/20/20
On Determination.
I’m pretty sure on an old version of CM, the hints and tips displayed after hitting continue game showed that high determination would make an attacking player more likely to score or assist an equaliser or winning goal.
Also before we had the Leadership attribute, determination and influence were the attributes to consider when choosing a captain.
It would be interesting to make the same video with the Germany team which had a different tactic shape
Where can we download this tactic, exactly? I would make it myself but some of role's player instructions are not shown.
The 4222 tactic is nearly identical as the tactic that were ranked number 1 at the time on FM-Arena
that is exactly what i just noticed. so what a genuis
Where can I find this tactic
Basically "god of chaos" tactic from FMArena.. all of those over there are OP
This is legit Finalshot AKUTAC which was uploaded 3 months before WC happened. God of chaos was uploaded 6 days after wc ended, its 99% the same besides 2 instructions and author claims its not copied or inspired by the wc one, just 4-2-3-1 are usually "too similar" 🙄
@@Mordenhe literally just copied Katana 4231's tactics completely and talked like it was his idea, a total liar
I loved this breakdown and will see how it works with a national level team in England.
I don't understand the full backs on attack with underlap on. Isn't the idea is that the IFs hold up the ball for the full backs to overlap? How does that play out.
the instruction is not for the fullbacks to underlap.. it is for whomever has the ball to look for inside runs.. these runs can come from anyone.
What are the player instruction for the DMs? Other than tackle harder?
if you wanna know u can download the tactics on his channel
What are the player instructions for the keeper and 2 DM’s?? They were missed out 🙈
Well it’s the same tactic that Knapp created .
GK - take more risks and tackle harder
Both DM’s are told to shoot less often and to tackle harder
Not sure who did it first but Knap at the SI forums has pretty much build his tactics like this for multiple years.
I think this highlights why a full rework of tactics is necessary. It doesn't make sense that tackle harder and having max intensity tactics is the standard to win. The penalty for these is not high enough. they should be used only in certain scenarios, and with very high risk.
Also when you mentioned the width on defending as "narrow" that's not correct, the narrow option is on the "in possession" tab, should not affect your defending.
I really don't think there should be so many individual instructions, it only makes the game engine more complicated and easier to break/overpower. The player role and the team tactics should be more than enough.
ermm, just FYI, "Tackle Harder" has been the winning formula since ... CM99? 😅 I mean, I stopped at FM06, restarted at FM20 (and only because it's free), and I "Tackled Harder" again. Still works. 😅
FM has always been about figuring out/breaking the game engine eventually. Because, at the end of the day, it's still just a simulation game.
Agree about tackle harder. I was part of a bug report first flagged in 2022 and it is still running, it was clear that the game didn't distribute yellow cards as it should in that I could play with stay on feet and the AI would kick chunks out of me and Id get more yellows. Opponents could accumulate over 30 fouls to my 8 and the yellow card distribution would be even, and at times Id have more, quite frequently the opponent would have none.
We know SI balance the game so things like number of cards (and other things) mirror real life statistics and it was clear that distribution of yellow cards was unrealistic and not down to what happened in game but was balanced as per the numbers they feel are realistic.
Of course despite a lot of evidence including our own card counts not rising when we used aggressive tackling this was said not to be an issue.
So yes it needs a rework as currently as you have mentioned, Ive seen and the guy here said there is no downside to using them.
Amen bro 🙏🏻
It's correct that the narrow instruction is in possession, but your team won't lose much shape in transition after losing the ball since they are inviting crosses and already was playing narrow.
It is affecting, because you got attack mostly after losing the ball during attacking period
“If you concede 3, but score 4 you still win the game” LOL coach justin iconic line going worldwide thanks to ichsan 😂
I've always regarded determination as a priority. I feel like if you have more highly determined players, you'll be that team that finds a way to score that 9oth min winner more often than not.
I don't (prioritized High Det players), but I also believe this is correct. I guess my thinking is if I managed to get 20+ world-class PROFESSIONAL-minimum players, trained them up and then whacked teams silly 3-0, in the end it doesn't matter if they have 5+ Determination more than me and score a consolation goal.
Yo Zealand, thanks for doing this video, you've just rekindled my waning enthusiasm for FM. I've been playing for 30 years and never used or downloaded another players tactics, but after watching the video, I thought why not, never seen or tried anything like that, so I am and I don't even mind losing a game or two. Actually that last bit is wrong I hate it when I lose.
It's very similar to the 4-3-3 Terzic by a guy who makes a lot of tactics, slightly modified instructions but every player position and role is identical.
This tactic is great but as a plug and play, knap's best points per game tactic outperformed it during my tests. Very curious if there are other people observing similar or different results.
it has the flaws , their opponent didnt realize their being man marked and too much focus plays at flanks
Hey Zealand, I just wanted to say I started a save with my beloved Sporting CP, I'm using a variation of the Amorim tactic, a perfectly symmetric 3-4-2-1 with inverted forwards. I applied all the team and positional instructions shown in this video and the result is devastating. With the new "FM25 DLC" fixes, I'm averaging 5 goals per game in the league, almost nobody can score goals vs me, and even Conrad Harder scores goals like Gyökeres. This is so crazy that it feels like cheating.
I highly recommend anyone to try a fresh save, pick a system with proper positions that allow the same instructions and see for yourselves. Assymmetric tactics may not work as well since these instructions rely a lot on maintaining positional coherence.
i love how he can manage his team's result with al ot of goals
As someone who literally always asks fullbacks to cut inside with the ball, sets center backs as ball playing defenders with dribble more, and uses DMs in support role even when they are lone DMs, I'm not surprised here at all. I think all of those instructions are far superior to the standard ones.
W Ichsan. W video.
Maybe I am blind, but I can't find a downloadlink here or at Ichsan's channel...
I mean pretty much everything is shown in this video. But the instructions for DM and AM are missing.
Great Video. The FM World Cup has raised the bar of understanding the game - knowledge.
Whoa learned so much, thank you both
they both "learned" (as in copied) from here FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup)
Wild, I tried to combine the best overall tactic from fm-arena with the best 4-2-4 and ended up with basically exactly Ichsan's get a goal tactic after five seasons of trial and error.
I've been using a variation of this with many of the same principles using a 4-2-2-2 with 2 attacking midfielders and two strikers instead of the 2 wingers. It has been working like a charm. I added in a couple things from the video and its working even better.
The world champ's alternative strat when desperate for goals is also 4 2 2 2, using AF attack and CF support
This tactic is OP. I downloaded maybe a week ago and literally you will absolutely wreck everyone in your league with only a decent team. Especially lower leagues. You will kill everyone in the lower leagues lol. For an example, I did a youth only save in wales, dropped all my players after the first season, and started my way in the JD premier with just the YA. We came mid table despite being "up against it" every single match... it is OP. My 6 CA striker was doing very well when he had no business doing so. Another example, Started in Gibraltar with awful Europa point FC. Ran the league and only lost twice..and those were the last 2 games after I already clinched the league title. I was losing players along the way and not replacing them and still doing well. It kinda makes things a bit too easy.
well he just copied the tactic here: FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup)
I had a similar tactic in my England L20 to Prem save this year.
Everyone was "tackle harder". I got something silly like 180 yellow cards but stayed up with a payroll of 70k p/w
Did we ever get that Gibraltar video btw? From the long running series of Zealand going to matches.
That 4-2-3-1 is insane. I literally took a bottom of the barrel team in the Korean 2nd division, England League 1, and Japan J3 team to at least promotion playoffs in the first season.
EDIT: One thing I wanted to mention is that I actually don't dislike double BPD, with two DMs, either DLP or DM on support. This is because you form a 2-2 box in defense, with the fullbacks up and wide to draw the wingers. You end up in a 4 v 2, and if the opponent's midfield commits to the press, the AM on roam from position and move into channels can move into space to receive a fast ground pass to feet.
Almost all of my tactics used this sort of box midfield and took advantage of move into channels to get the ball up the field, especially with my narrow formations.
FM Arena -> sort by best. (it was there before the world cup)
This guy, Ichsan, really has some swagger. A good man.
Hey Zealand, thanks for the video! It helps understand plenty of things and see those with other perspective. I have a suggestion, a follow up a video looking at players stats and qualities for each position. What to look for. I will be super interested in that! Thanks again. If that already exist, what to look for on each position can you point me in the right direction?
Perfect explaining buddy. Thank you for this video 🙂👍
Fantastic video and realy nice editing
I'm still on FM22 so I can't download to check for myself, but are there any more player instructions other than what Z mentioned in the video?
Funnily enough the closest team to this tactic is can think of in the premier league is slots liverpool. A lot of similarities honestly and they have had an incredible start.
Ichsan Rahman Taufiq, he's a guy who likes to share football strategy knowledge on his YT channel, he's just a good guy.
oh i read it was "The FM Champ Explains His Titanic"
Am Indonesian, been following you for years… This is a good fresh of air… Knowing our fellow country man won the world champ of my most favorite game. Congrats Iksan ma man!!
they emphasize 4231 by overload positions at flanks, alot of dribbling, focus plays at both fllanks, exploit every deadball situations, and heavy man to man marking at opponent attackers, even fullback got man marking by their attackers too, their tactics are not without a flaws either, the keys to exploit their flaws are midblock / low block, using carrilero and ball winning midfielder to stop their dribbling plays, great long passing capability like tony kroos, speed and technical like mbappe and vinicius, why? because they man marking, you need speed and precision
I recently watched Ichsan's stream and join the Indonesian FM community. I remember he said that he doesn't always do man marking. When the winger is obviously faster and stronger, he removed the marking instruction and opted to close down instead.
Ichsan is a type that always tweaking Opposition Instruction in a mid game, and that's just an everyday occurence in IDFM league.
it's simply the classic broken tactics of the game, as there are every year since they introduced the gegenpress
just won the pl with united, first season with this. its crazy powerful
Yo, what the heck! Half of the tactics he's using are so similar to what I've been using in my save. I can't believe it! That's actually huge! 😯🔥
EDIT: Also, how do you run such a high intensity tactic outside of the premium teams? My 12+ Stamina players are all 60% or lower by the end of the match and I think would die mid season. Especially when you don't have good depth.
You touched on it here and there, but as a new FM player (and especially one who's more interested in taking bottom tier clubs, and rising through the ranks) I'd like more insight on what quality of player is required to make a top-tier tactic work.
Would be interesting to see how Ichsan might build for a tiny minor league, vs. a mediocre, non-top league national club, vs. an international powerhouse. How would a person start building a tactic around a team, and then the team around the tactic. There are hints throughout the video that players matter- so tactics can't really be plug and play for everyone, right?
The best tactics are mostly plug-and-play. A 4231 gengenpress like this is supposed to work in any league and division in the world, barring some minor player instructions tweaks
what missing from zealand video but present in ichsan interview in indonesian is that he's always prioritize improve backroom staff to atleast 4 star before tweaking tactics.
@@SaKa-ex2nb haha, I don't even know what that means yet... Staff have stars too?I've seen coaches with reputation but I just sign staff with highest core attribute values.
@@setcamper its in the training assignment, 4 star coach on every assignment
honestly i love this kind of content.
it is like investigation brilliant mind of master.
great vid! What are the player instructions for DM's and the forward though? You didn't show them I think
You can download the tactic, just google "miracle 1 fm arena 2024"
Try to win Champions League with Union SG after 7 years in a network save against 30 managers. Sven the GOAT. 🇩🇪
First time FM player: I tried to emulate the tactic after watching the world cup and won, after one season to get my squad done, three triples with Dortmund, with one invincible season in the league. It works.
Man city, Dortmund, and Barcelona are crazy compatible with this tactics. Smaller that has similar profile would be Espanyol, Porto, and Stuttgart. Try the tactics with these teams