SECRETS they DON’T want you to know - it’s Touch-less NOT TOUCHLESS
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Another video about trying to develop the perfect touchless car wash soap. It may not be possible, but im going to try.
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Bilt Hamber is a serious brand with zero hype. Touch-Less was designed for the UK market ("sugar soap" is a common household product in the UK) in conjunction with their Touch-On shampoo which has ceramic protection built-in. It was never intended or marketed to be a "Touchless" wash. I do think Touch-Less has now taken off and eclipsed its Touch-On counterpart because it is a very effective prewash that is also very safe when used correctly. It has a high pH without the use of caustic soda or other corrosive ingredients. But I've never really seen any serious (UA-cam) detailers use it without following up with a contact wash.
I think most informed detailing enthusiasts are pretty skeptical of any "touchless" wash products because they don't actually get the car clean enough, and if they did it is likely that they are too strong and are going to damage things like plastic trim (black and "chromed") and things like rubber seals, etc. Its also a non-starter unless you have a deionized or reverse-osmosis water system so that you don't get water spots. I think you're going to have an uphill climb with a product like this.
All super great and valid points. Thanks for sharing. This is definitely more experimental than anything.
is possible under circumstances been using both Autofoam and Touchless. Is down to wash frequency, environment, ceramic coated, pressure washer handling method and PSI to water output. As i have mentioned t o Jimbo before the prewash method needs revision not the on the soap as much, as the way is handle out. Surely enough when time is important for video things can get biased
@shrmtales if it was possible then the touch free commercial washes wouldn't leave film on your car after a wash.
I think an actual "touchless" is a pipe dream.
It definitely could be
Chem-x stars and stripes is about 99.9% there.
I used Chem X Stars and Stripes left a film and stained my plastics on my car. I’ve been Leary on using it.
@@elonsus9747 Sounds like user error?
@@sixsixST2 Eh. Could have been. Meguiars Hyper Wash also leaves a residue. I think it’s my water. Well water and sun don’t mix well. I do like his other products though. Awesome sauce and snake oil are 👌
I hope you’re successful developing the product. Having something that cleans the vehicle without touching will be revolutionary. No more swirls or I should say less.
Not sure it’s possible. But I agree it would be revolutionary.
@@autodetailingpodcast best of luck. Will try your ceramic spray soon.
Swirl-less
What do you think of Jamie The Cleaner review of your product?
Im guessing he doesn't want to answer that question
at a guess. I along with most others thought they were both amazing when watching his reviews until i saw other peoples (maybe non-biased) reviews of them. Just goes to show maybe don’t believe everything your eyes see on youtube
If Jamie don't like it I don't like it he should try to get it to pan the organizer and see what he says
I don't think Pan is going to review it and I'm not sure, but Pan doesn't do torture tests anymore. I think we all want to know if it really lasts as much as Jimbo says.
He has a pre-production sample bottle and He has a different video that shows a different result (ua-cam.com/video/1vELVztbok0/v-deo.htmlsi=Cu7zjpoCgY82Zwuz) , but he hasn’t released that video. Also, it was washed 20 times, which depending on how frequently you wash a car would take 5-10 months. If you take the average of that it exactly meets the claims I have listed. As I have mentioned numerous times there is always a give and take when making products. I opted for extreme ease of use, high gloss, high slickness and really good durability. If I wanted to boost durability even more it would begin to possibly streak, which I don’t want. Keep it easy and simple and most car people will apply often. If not on average it will last 6 months+
Try chem X Stars and Stripes. Maybe compare your product with theirs. I definitely like the direction you’re going. 👊🏼
I know time is money in detailing but personally a pre wash has always been a staple for me. Especially on the cars I’d detail for others, it made my life easier and it help spot scratches, chips, iron, and tar much easier. Granted, most cars I got were dirty and some quite literally filthy.
Sometimes it’s worth a little extra time to get the result you want.
Great to be able to see a product go through it's stages of development on video..I'm in the UK and watched BH get placed on the map by, probably, the UK's most popular UA-cam detailer. He's biased but the fan base over here is rabid. Do your own thing, Jimbo. You have a goal and judging from your approach you'll clearly get there.
thanks for the support!
What are your thoughts on Yvan's logic from DYI Detail about that doing a pre-rinse with the high pressure of the pressure washer can potentially scratch the car by pushing that dirt with force and no almost lubrication (since water is a solvent and very poor/mediocre lubricant).
The theory is:
High pressure can dislodge dirt particles and fling them against the paint, which can cause scratches, especially if the dirt contains hard or abrasive elements.
Water itself isn't a great lubricant. Without a proper soap solution, the dirt particles can grind against the paint as the water pressure moves them.
I havent heard that one. Its an interesting thought. I wonder how you could test it.
I’ve been testing products for companies for 40 years now. The test I did was bolt some acrylic panels ( much softer than paint to accelerate the process) to the side of a semi trailer, 1/2 of the panel we pre foamed, the other 1/2 we went straight to the pressure washer, also rinsing the foamed side.
Next , foamed the panel again, and contact washed with a new wool wash mit ( this was before microfibre was a thing) on both panels.
Once done dried with the same towel.
This test lasted 10 weeks ( a wash every week) . The results were clear after 3 weeks, but I committed to a 10 week test. Today’s soap chemistry is much better than in 1998, but the pressure washer nozzles are the same.
After that I
Jimbo, it's almost there I would say. I think it's cool to ride along for the process of you developing a product that we want for "REAL WORLD" application. I want a bottle when it is completed. I am using the Hard as Shell and it's great.
Awesome!!
Stars and stripes is a highly recommended true touchless car wash
If it doesn’t meet the requirements for a true TOUCHLESS, yet still a really great product, then you can always market as a Touch-less-ER soap. 😂. Love your content! Good luck!
Hahaha. That’s a good idea. Def still interested in releasing something even if not 100% touchless.
Would it be a dealbreaker if u had to pre rinse then foam dwell rinse and then foam dwell rinse a second time? I’m thinking first foam for larger dirt and second foam for road film?
Def wouldn’t be a deal breaker. This is exactly why I’m doing these vids. To get feedback and ideas just like this. Thank you!!
If a touchless was a thing than an automatic car wash would actually clean your car... still think there is value in removing 90% of the dirt prior to some sort of hand wash
Whats the background sounds in the video ? Not the first time i heard it ....sounds like car horns
Zep TnT is another “brushless” soap designed for trucks and trailers - it’s dirt cheap too, around $13/gal.
It seems to work well on silver and black cars. We need something economical so we opted for the $100 5 gal pail. I wouldn’t wash fleets without touchless.
These vehicles drive 5 days a week so there’s no need for perfection, but when we are caught up washing all the cars can we can more methodical and do a contact wash and all necessary steps for paint correction and protection.
Swift sucks. It’s like $41/gal undiluted.
We do have a great set up using a 2000 PSI and 2 anion/cation DI tanks. The key for touchless to me is to hit the panels at 0° and sway your body around keeping your shoulders tight.
You don’t wanna get thoracic outlet syndrome or rotator cuff issues washing class B/A fleets.
Hope to try your stuff Jimbo! Bc I am 7/10 confident in this Zep TnT at this point.
Gonna check it out. Thanks
Looking foward to the results
Good stuff Jimbo! Can’t wait till it drops! Coming from you I already know it kicks!💯💪🏼
Appreciate it!!
Hey Jimbo! Name your next new product Jimbo Slice. Maybe a decon soap or whatever u want. That would be pretty bad ass! What about a salt based cleaner?
Haha. That would be a funny name.
Dam🦫right it would. HELLO!
Can’t wait to review it 😈🧼 #gasoline
#crybabies 😂
The foam rinse foam technique may help to make it go touchless.
I think this definitely has a place in the market. Think pollen season in the northeast (which is starting soon) or those quick mid-week washes to clean off water spots from rain or random dust that sticks to the back of SUVs when parked on the street (I know, I know, not if you use Hard as Shell.) It's a great option for a quick wash and dry--especially for those of us DIY people that don't want to wait a full week to wash a car because it's 'sort of' dirty. While I hate to say "Close Enough For Government Work" sometimes you want something quick that isn't a true high PH pre wash. Make the car shiny for the next four days before I can get around to a full wash. Looking forward to the tire stuff coming out, and keep us in the NorthEast in mind. Not everyone is sunny and 70 degrees in March!!
This is a super super valid point.
Will you be coming out with colored foam?
Maybe in the future
So many "gate keepers" 2024 let the truth be known. Can't wait to try your products. People spend more money on there vehicles than there bodies keep up the great work and let the truth be known. 👍👊🇺🇸
thanks for the support!
What would be the best soap to use for a touch-less weekly washes
15:11 cut in sidewall of the tyre? 😲
“That curb came out of nowhere”
Are you using deionized water?
Yes
Maybe consider using non deionized water in your testing since it could change the outcome?@@autodetailingpodcast
I also think that if it can be use sometimes during summer,will be great also.
Yes, definitely
Hey Jimbo, I chatted with you about this a couple of months ago while I was trucking. I’m from Canada, I have some thoughts about this.. first would be that I’ve tried most of the “auto detailing” sort of touchless brands out there and have found non of them meet my standards.. however because I also detail semi’s I’ve found some of the commercial truck ones work fantastic in my detailing of traditional 4 wheeler (cars trucks etc) vehicles. As you are developing I’d maybe talk to the chemist about brands like “eacochem” and their products like “glory bc” and “truck wash supreme” , as well as even the chem ex 2 step (although not my favorite since it requires 2 parts.
I personally use glory bc for about 95% of my maintenance jobs. One thing I’ll note about the commercial touchless soaps. Is that the dilution ratios are insane they begin at 20:1 and go up to 100:1, I can get a gallon of glory bc for 60$ Canadian. It lasts me months. Another note on the touchless on the commercial side, is one thing I’ve found is that almost all of them specify to rinse off bottom up. I have no clue why, I’ve experimented with top down- bottom up and can confirm for some reason unknown to me. Bottom up is better.. the other weird thing I’ve noticed is that for especially dirty vehicles, and even a direction on the glory bc bottle. Is to do 2 applications to the vehicle without rinsing inbetween.. so foam on, let it dwell. When you would normally rinse, do a second application, dwell again and then rinse..
It works.
Maybe try that with your soap and see if it fixes some of the bug residue issues and hazing..
That’s my 2 cents. Take it for what you want. I honestly prefer touchless, I think it’s a safer wash method, it’s faster for a detailer, it’s easy for mobile. And for me it makes sense since I only have a few chemicals to do both my commercial vehicle clients as well as “traditional” detailing clients.
I would love to try some of your soap. Dm me on the discord when you’ve got some available and I’ll buy some to try. I’d love to help with this process.
I'd still buy a touch-"less" chemical as a pre-wash if it's affordable enough and if it can achieve not stripping "hard as shell" coating. I'd buy it since it would remove most of dirt making my follow up contact, rinseless wash safer
a prep soap to brak down old waxes, coatings before a new.coating is applied? Well you may have to jack up the ph and have some robust surfactants to do that. If ypu can do that without damaging rubber seals and other sensitive areas, MAYBE????
I detail a bunch of cars, would love to test this for you lol would save me a bunch of time if it works
Also where is the Ryobi blower video? I looked for it but didn't see it. Or is that yet to come?
I thought I would release it before this but it’s still being edited. Should be out in a few days.
@@autodetailingpodcast Nice I'm looking forward to it.
it’s awesome for 100 bucks@@ssjcajas
Many prewash soaps are touchless if you spend the time rinsing it off with the power washer. Therefore they don’t save a whole bunch of time in the end
I think a "touchless" solution is kind of a dream. Also I think it could possibly get you to like 90% clean in the future but not 100%. I think to get a 100% clean you will eventually need to touch the car. But hey maybe 90% is good enough.
totally.
I'm fine with touch-less on a foam as long as it rinses super easy. I'm washing outdoors and in cold. Need to use the least amount of water possible.
Great point!
What is the TDS of your shop water without a mixed med DI system ? need test the soap without a DI system since a majority of users don't use DI water. Touchless is more a decon wash to remove traffic road film according to the Europeans. Test and more testing before rushing it to market .
Definitely no rush on this one.
I think chem x Stars and Stripes are probably the closest thing to a touchless wash. More for trucks though I think
Walter White is your chemist?... Say My Name.
Yes Corey Bell
How about having people who live in areas where road salt is used.
See how it works against that?
Definitely
In my opinion :
Pre-rinse is necessary to remove the heavy stuff....the large "chunks" of debris
Touchless is never 100% touchless. I've never seen anything that would leave your car 100% clean
In my opinion, contact wash is 100% necessary, no chemical is strong enough to "self clean in a touchless way"
but if we can get as close as possible so the prewash is doing most of the work...then the contact wash will be less aggressive on paint and deminish scratches or so called "love marks"....
am I on the right track Jimbo?
yup I think youre def on the right track.
The thing here is that this isn't new. "Touchless" automated car washes have been using a "stronger" soap for year. Do they work great, not always, but they were mainly designed for people getting a wash every few days for a vehicle not that dirty vs a wash every couple of weeks. From a chemical point of view, you can make a soap that strips everything off, but then the question is, what damage is it leaving? Good clean it need to be a heavy degreaser, but how do you strip oils (aka road film) from the painted surfaces and avoid stripping oils that are good for plastics and rubber. You don't want dried out, weather/window seals, dry-rot tires, or even causing bushings in the suspension to fail early. I'm sure someone already has a formula for a true "touch" "less" soap, but it just causes too many other issues to bring it to market. So we need to avoid getting tunnel vision on how it works just for paint and glass... there is more to look out for. As well, is it physically safe to use or not. Lots of unknowns
great points!
BH is not really a brand that the vast majority of the population will have heard of. We know it exists because we got into the detailing sphere. As such, we all know its not touchless, but touch less. And that its superb
ive always heard great things about it.
Ok cool, I thought I was the only one that drove through mud puddles for fun 😂
I mean…it’s really fun. Haha
I'm a bit confused as to what you think a Touchless solution is? Bilt Hamber make no claims that their Touchless Prewash is an all in one cleaning solution. It is exactly what it says it is. A pre-wash.
It is used to rinse off any loose dirt before you actually use a foam wash, and whatever cleaning method you decide to use to remove the remaining dirt. I doesn't and has never claimed to be an all in one, you don't touch the car cleaner.
And I agree, there is no such thing as an all in one touchless cleaner. You have to agitate the dirt on a motor vehicle with your hands to get it clean.
It wasn’t a put down on them. I was making fun of myself for simply reading that name and coming to that conclusion, that’s all. My bad.
Test failed again sorry bud keep trying just get something that you can use it often without damaging the pain and trim like chem x
It’s more of a learning than a pass/fail.
Remind them to renew their registration 😂😂😂
Haha! Tags are in the glovebox. Part of my job was to put them on too
When you wiped your finger across after the wash that wasn't water... That was dirt. I don't think you can truly be touchless.
It doesn't seem like much of a secret at all in that the Bilt Hamber product is literally called Touch-Less and not Touchless. The instructions also are very clear it's a pre-wash.
It was more of a revelation for me than a secret by them.
I bought two bottles with a touch less payment method something fishy I emailed him I would call my bank to stop payment.
huh?
jimbo you killed it the day you started selling your own stuff and were after everyone else 🤨
Do you want to try again?
First
20 min?
???
If you are a mobile, and you are most of the time against the clock, I don't think waiting 20 minutes or so is going to work. How about 3 to 5 min after being applied??
@@israelmireles7453 I'm not a detailer, but what if you foam the car, then work on the wheels while it dwells?
sorry, if i said 20 min dwell time i misspoke, it would only be around 3-5 min to dwell.
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Interesting, that high of a pH and doesn't really strip.
It’s coated and I have a few layers of this on it - jimbosdetailing.com/products/hard-as-shell-ceramic-spray?variant=42320823943351