Indeed! He's a wonderful example of the calibre and class of individuals representing the UK and British Airways as crew on the iconic Concorde. Thanks for watching!
for the concorde..is it not possible to taxi with inboard engines only to save fuel..? if i have an opportunity to be in the simulator..i'll do the proper 4'000 miles flight.
Remarkable man proper British pilot fantastic to listen to him, fantastic achievement and career. However in Mr Hutchinson’s analysis regarding the accident is surprising. What my question is had AF4590 not ran over the titanium strip would the flight operated as normal? Although I am not an authorised accident investigator I do cover Air Accidents in full. From what I take of his opinion it would seem other contributing factors are on Mr Hutchins list but as I stated surely the impact with the debris causing the tyre damage at high speed IS the main culprit and why AF4590 crashed and not the weight the tail wind the fuel situation. Yes agree this was not ideal or correct procedures in operation however surely as stated only the real factor was the tyre damage. On that note there had been other incidents in Concordes operation throughout the years with tyre blowouts resulting in damage to airframe/fuel leaks so Concordes only real weakness was highlighted many times prior to that awful day. Yes she was incredible but unfortunately AF4590 was the Concorde that suffered this tyre incident the most & as we know once there is an accident it’s post event something gets done. Timing was not on Concordes side & IMO it was 911 that was the nail in the coffin, I believe had that event not happened Concorde would of survived longer.
There is more to this story. Former AF Concorde pilot Jean-Marie Chauve and F/E Michel Suaud submitted a report to the French courts during the original trial, showing: 1) The plane was on fire well before location of the DC-10 metal piece, verified by numerous observers (ground crew, the pilot of the 747 carrying Chirac, etc). In other words, something else caused that tire to fail. The most likely culprit to be the missing spacer, which would have led to the wheels skidding and becoming hotter due to the effect of increasing friction due to building airspeed. 2) Even with in its overweight state, the plane should never even have been where the metal strip was- it should have rotated and left the ground a good 200 feet before that. Meaning- something was retarding the acceleration. That something, most likely, was the out-of-alignment landing gear, of which a tire then failed and sent a piece flying to Tank 5’s exterior creating the fuel shockwave…and so on. The upshot is- that piece of metal could have been completely unrelated to the sequence of events that led to the tire failing, and subsequent catastrophe. And don’t take my word for it. This is straight from numerous former Concorde flight crews.
@mattthrun-nowick Unfortunately on this subject I disagree. Regardless of eyewitness testimonies or history of previous tyre failures or in this case what actually happened. Tyre failure Fuel leak Ignition source Runway excursion AF4590 rotated below its take off speed, was suffering fire damage, overweight & a fire drill cutting power to an engine which equals/equalled disaster. Unfortunately nothing was saving that flight & was the start of the demise demand for Concorde. On many grounds I do not rate Air France at all & imo operations played their part, also with other flights which have ended in disaster. I do not fly Air France.
@@stephenking9271 I’m not debating that previous tyre failures happened with similar effects on the fuel tanks, and agree that the flight was probably doomed once they took to the air. My response was simply to your if “but for the metal piece, would this crash have happened” question…and that response is “potentially, yes.”
@mattthrun-nowicki8641 On the presumption that you believe Af4590 had a serious fault during its start of rolling for take off. This would lead to sufficient evidence & also if that was the case how remarkably unfortunate that it ALSO happened to strike a titanium strip which burst a tyre. Do not get me wrong im not picking @yr statement or anyone’s but in the facts of what we know Af4590 was being operated in a poor fashion & like all accidents these add together. I do agree i believe the lack of spacer is a huge flaw & would/did play its part but imo the impact with the titanium strip is what really set the disaster in motion.
@@stephenking9271 I think that’s really it- it’s the Swiss cheese model in action- multiple factors that on their own may have been harmless, but put together through unfortunate circumstances, leads to a plane crash.
I could listen to John for hours , I find his story telling and insight fascinating.
Thanks so much for watching. This is a series we're super proud of. He's a wonderful aviator and a gentleman.
Such a good man. 👍 Epitome of Concorde are the Captains who flew them.
Indeed! He's a wonderful example of the calibre and class of individuals representing the UK and British Airways as crew on the iconic Concorde.
Thanks for watching!
This is fascinating.
Did John ever reply to the guy? Would love to read John's response
Try RNAS Yeovilton where you get really get to see the interior and the mechanics of a Concorde
for the concorde..is it not possible to taxi with inboard engines only to save fuel..? if i have an opportunity to be in the simulator..i'll do the proper 4'000 miles flight.
Rayne, if you ever do get that opportunity, we'd love to hear all about it. :-D
Upon landing yes they Taxi with 2 engines.
Remarkable man proper British pilot fantastic to listen to him, fantastic achievement and career.
However in Mr Hutchinson’s analysis regarding the accident is surprising.
What my question is had AF4590 not ran over the titanium strip would the flight operated as normal?
Although I am not an authorised accident investigator I do cover Air Accidents in full. From what I take of his opinion it would seem other contributing factors are on Mr Hutchins list but as I stated surely the impact with the debris causing the tyre damage at high speed IS the main culprit and why AF4590 crashed and not the weight the tail wind the fuel situation.
Yes agree this was not ideal or correct procedures in operation however surely as stated only the real factor was the tyre damage.
On that note there had been other incidents in Concordes operation throughout the years with tyre blowouts resulting in damage to airframe/fuel leaks so Concordes only real weakness was highlighted many times prior to that awful day.
Yes she was incredible but unfortunately AF4590 was the Concorde that suffered this tyre incident the most & as we know once there is an accident it’s post event something gets done.
Timing was not on Concordes side & IMO it was 911 that was the nail in the coffin, I believe had that event not happened Concorde would of survived longer.
There is more to this story. Former AF Concorde pilot Jean-Marie Chauve and F/E Michel Suaud submitted a report to the French courts during the original trial, showing:
1) The plane was on fire well before location of the DC-10 metal piece, verified by numerous observers (ground crew, the pilot of the 747 carrying Chirac, etc). In other words, something else caused that tire to fail. The most likely culprit to be the missing spacer, which would have led to the wheels skidding and becoming hotter due to the effect of increasing friction due to building airspeed.
2) Even with in its overweight state, the plane should never even have been where the metal strip was- it should have rotated and left the ground a good 200 feet before that. Meaning- something was retarding the acceleration. That something, most likely, was the out-of-alignment landing gear, of which a tire then failed and sent a piece flying to Tank 5’s exterior creating the fuel shockwave…and so on.
The upshot is- that piece of metal could have been completely unrelated to the sequence of events that led to the tire failing, and subsequent catastrophe.
And don’t take my word for it. This is straight from numerous former Concorde flight crews.
@mattthrun-nowick
Unfortunately on this subject I disagree.
Regardless of eyewitness testimonies or history of previous tyre failures or in this case what actually happened.
Tyre failure
Fuel leak
Ignition source
Runway excursion
AF4590 rotated below its take off speed, was suffering fire damage, overweight & a fire drill cutting power to an engine which equals/equalled disaster.
Unfortunately nothing was saving that flight & was the start of the demise demand for Concorde.
On many grounds I do not rate Air France at all & imo operations played their part, also with other flights which have ended in disaster.
I do not fly Air France.
@@stephenking9271 I’m not debating that previous tyre failures happened with similar effects on the fuel tanks, and agree that the flight was probably doomed once they took to the air.
My response was simply to your if “but for the metal piece, would this crash have happened” question…and that response is “potentially, yes.”
@mattthrun-nowicki8641
On the presumption that you believe Af4590 had a serious fault during its start of rolling for take off.
This would lead to sufficient evidence & also if that was the case how remarkably unfortunate that it ALSO happened to strike a titanium strip which burst a tyre.
Do not get me wrong im not picking @yr statement or anyone’s but in the facts of what we know Af4590 was being operated in a poor fashion & like all accidents these add together.
I do agree i believe the lack of spacer is a huge flaw & would/did play its part but imo the impact with the titanium strip is what really set the disaster in motion.
@@stephenking9271 I think that’s really it- it’s the Swiss cheese model in action- multiple factors that on their own may have been harmless, but put together through unfortunate circumstances, leads to a plane crash.
Calling out the Air France crew? Not cool sir.
I thank his honesty.
Honesty is honesty.
Backing it up with factual evidence. They were not following standard operating procedure
It is @matthewbryson7573 I think, who isn’t cool.
What does “not cool sir” even mean in this context? It’s just an empty collection of words unless you explain what you’re saying