SAAB [] GM [] F35 Transmission Disassembly
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- SAAB/GM F35 manual transmission disassembly video. I apologize for the audio, I do not yet have a mic and the camera I am using is an action sports camera... Does not focus the greatest, or at all up close!
This applies to most years of the F35, the Cobalt variant is a bit different, but this is a guideline and can be applied for the most part, shift mechanism is different.
Do this at your own risk and remember to consult your factory service manual!
Excuse my use of the word collet, apparently I had no clue as to what it meant when I made this video hahaha!
Great video, I have a question, I've taken the motor and f35 trans and installed it into a Ariel Atom. The shift levers that are on the trans had to be switched around and custom made to fit properly in a rear engine set up. I now need to remove the gear selector and neutral levers so that a adjustable levers can be reinstalled. Do I need to do anything special before I remove the roll pins and levers. Maybe put it into gear ? Thanks
How did you remove the shift levar on it?
Thank you all for over 4,000 views on this video!!!
Great informative video! I’m getting ready to take two of them apart to swap in a limited slip and convert my wagon to a manual. I’ve read the WIS procedure and this was a great complement to that 👍
Glad to hear!
Lifesaver! Nice video work man I really appreciate it!
You are welcome!
I'm buying a used one for my cobalt. So I want to build my old one. I like to race at stoplights. And I don't double clutch so I'm hard on it.
Impressive work. Thank you for sharing. Eventhough I have a F40 manual transmission in my SAAB, this is a very informative video.
Rony Giron you can’t get any parts for the f40 transmission...
Awesome vid man thank you very much I'm currently in the process of rebuilding my B235R ;)
Awesome, make sure to have fun while doing it!
Awesome video! I wish I would've seen this months back when I was putting my cobalt lsd trans back together. Well if it's not right I guess I'll be going off this video 😅
I am sure you did a fine job, and if not feel free to ask any questions and I will answer to the best of my abilities!
I bought a junkyard f35 with 4.45 gears. I guess the case is different than my cobalt 4.05 trans so I want to swap gears. Going to probably attempt this soon
Great thanks !!! 😊😊😊
So I see when disassembling,there are no shift selectors on the top of the trans, how do I get those out, or do they come off when I pull straight up to get the case separated?
I’ll try and upload a video of the next one that I do on like a cobalt or something that has the cable shift.
thank you for the video, it was very helpful
Just over 5,000 views!!! Thank you gals and guys!!!
Great video, Stephen. We all appreciate you making this. So, just to change the differential, it requires a complete teardown to allow the differential to be removed?
That is correct!
@@93Viggen23 Darn it!
Where are you located? (approx) Do you do this on the side? Ive got a broken bell housing and need everything swapped to a new/good case.
email me 93viggen2.3@gmail.com
Your amazing, thank you. Where do I find even one of those special tools? The gear puller isn’t too weird but the other stuff? Where can I find your re assembly vid, especially the bearing preload procedures?
I haven’t had time to make a reassembly video. I will some day soon hopefully
Where did you get the tools to handle this?
Any chance you can give me a parts list for bearings and what have you to refresh an f25 saab transmission ?
Hello. Do you know what the difference is with the saab manual 5 speed gearboxes that have the number fm57103 (2008-2015)and the older that looks exaktly the same and have the number fm57102 (2003-2007)???
Is there a way to take the differential out by itself or do you have to do the whole disassembly to get to the differential
Entire disassembly. It's the last part to come out unfortunately.
My brother came across this video i a problem with my manual transmission FM55 -B05 the problem am having is with the reverse i was told to replace the shifter linkage which was a $800 part that didn’t fix the problem it’s killing me when I need to put in reverse all the other gears are fine just hard to put in reverse what you think is the problem please help
Reverse gearset assembly is a common issue on these. Can purchase entire set as a kit.
Good job, cool tutorial .. i'm going to the garage to put up my gearbox. (Is it possible that 500km after replacing the coupler in SAAB 9-3 started to suddenly jumped 5th gear?)
I had a 92 Camry start to pop out of 5th after 450k miles. The available videos suggested I replace the 5th gear which was easily replaceable under the cover similar to this transmission. I eventually replaced the entire transmission because I felt the bearings were out. Whenever I would go in and out of torque with the throttle while in 3rd or 5th gear, the shift handle would move an inch in either direction in the quadrant. I eventually learned it was because the entire gear train in the transmission shifted in the case because of bad bearings.
Hey man I’ve had my car in the shop for 4 months and they couldn’t get than tranny apart. Does anyone know of any place that would take these things apart. I think it’s just a shift fork the broke but I would like to replace synchros as well. Any help would be extremely appreciated.
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What do you think could be wrong with this tansmission on my 06 it has a p0733 it has a whining noice on park and Neutral it sometimes doesn’t want to go on first or reverse but sometimes it drives fine all gears work but it starts to slip again I'v changed the fluid and it drove good for about 20 miles then slipped again
I just bought a car with this transmission missing 3rd and 4th but shifts fine through the rest of the gears any idea what's wrong?
Probably 3rd gear stripped or broken engagement teeth on the gear itself. Or issue with gear selector mechanism.
Hey man quick question, I’m getting ready to pull my f35 and I wondering if you have any idea where I can get replacement parts? Is it going to be strictly Dealer?
And also Where did you get that 2 Jaw Puller?
Where do parts come from GM or Saab? 2008 HHR with bearing noise on main gear.
My man where do you get parts for these rare gems? I’ve never found any kits or anything because I’ve been told by a lot of people that gm never once made a rebuild kit for them and if yours goes out you just gotta swap a used one in and hope that its good
There aren’t rebuild kits but you can most certainly rebuild them. Can still get the parts piece by piece - esaabparts.com is a good start
Do u sale he f-35 transmission if so I would be interested in purchasing one
This has to be one of the most difficult transaxles ever made to work on. I have one of these in my Ariel Atom and would like to install a 6 speed Quaife gear set that I bought a while ago. However,after disassembling an F35 I bought from a junkyard....I decided not to tackle it. I can't find anyone who would even consider doing the Quaife install,although the kit was specifically designed for the F35. I've done Honda Civic and Ford MTX75 transaxles..which were a snap compared to the F35. I don't suppose you would be interested in doing the install?
That is something I could do for sure, did you purchase the straight cut, or helical gearset? Did you also purchase their limited slip differential for your f35 6-speed?
I bought the semi-helical cut gear set.They look almost straight,but have a very slight angle. I also bought their "install" kit,which they said was necessary to install the 6 spd. gears. My transaxle already has the Quaife LSD from the factory (it's a GM that uses cables to shift) and is 4:05 final drive ratio,but I have a set of factory 4:45 final drive gears I'd like to use with the Quaife 6 speed,which will make 5th ideal for a track use top end gear ratio. The stock transaxle 5th is pretty much a cruise gear. I road race the car..with about 220whp..so not big power..but it's more than enough for a 1300lb car.
Nice, those 4:45's will be great. Does the Quaife helical set come with a new output shaft? That would determine which ring gear you can use, I remember they are longer due to the design, and 6-speed..
That will be a fun car with the 4.45 FD!
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Wow, fantastic video Stephen, thanks. I found this while searching for info on my F35 Cobalt trans. I have some serious gear whine and it is speed-specific, not RPM specific, perhaps I may pick your brain? The sound happens both in gear and in neutral, and is most noticeable at highway speeds of 50 and up. Sound is equally loud during accel, while coasting in and out of gear, and while deaccel downhill (backlash side). This leads me to believe it has to do with the final drive or output shaft, I think. You mention a differential bearing, can these be changed with the trans in the car or do I need to pull it out to fix? Thanks so much
You will have to remove the transmission from the vehicle and disassemble it unfortunately! I know the exact noise you are talking about, usually that is from a crush sleeve that has lost it tension/failing/failed, in turn that wears out the pinion bearings (crush sleeve is on the pinion/output shaft) as well as the differential bearings. Usually I replace all bearings when I am in a gearbox :).
Good video but I wish the audio portion was higher. Even with my speakers turn all the way up, I still missed some of it.
Working on getting a mic, thank you for the feedback 🙏
I need the real Pro work on my 9-5 to be done by you.
Feel free to send me an email and we can discuss the appropriate solutions for your specific needs! - 93viggen2.3@gmail.com
Is it possible to replace the diff bearing retainer due to scoring where the axle seal presses in? Or does this open things up to more work needing completed?
Ideally you’d want to measure the differential Preload after changing that. There’s some shims and some basic math, but also involved in that is setting the output shaft and input shaft preloads as well in a certain sequence with the box in a certain position… might get away with it but might be slightly off.
If you can accurately measure the depth of the old one to a very precise measurement and accuracy you should be ok theoretically. Make sure to torque in a star pattern.
Where can I find this 5th gear puller tool? Like the eye lid things
It’s a GM/Saab tool but you can find sometbing similar made by snap on.
Stephen, nice video. My Saab trans is broken right now wife heard a loud noise and it was done. Shifts normally but only grumbles when clutch is released. Won’t move. I’m thinking of tearing it down at the end of the Summer. Maybe it’s the diff? I could use a mentor to help me along if you’d be interested. Where are u located?
I am in beautiful San Diego, CA!
Do you still rebuilt these transmissions?
Shoot me an email. 93viggen2.3@gmail.com
Awesome video. Do you have any idea where I could find a second gear synchro kit for an F35? My trans is fine otherwise but grinds into second, whether from first or third.
Did you already take it apart? Usually that is caused from a bad mis-shift, which takes out the engagement sleeve for that gear as well as the gear itself (the engagement teeth on the gear will be rounded off). Or could be from a failed crush sleeve eventually causing the hard shift to 2nd.
Hey there man! Your video is helping me out big time right now. I wanted to ask you, is it possible to remove all the bolts and separate the case without doing the work on the top with 5th gear and such? The reason I ask is because my sealant between the case and the bell housing just needs replacing and I'm trying to find the best way to replace it without taking 5th gear apart and replacing those parts as well and buying the special tools required. The shop wants to charge 500$ to do it.
Unfortunately no, you have to pull the 5th gear components off to split the case where it seals, you also will need a crush sleeve and some other items.
@@93Viggen23 - okay I ended up going to a shop and they re used the pinion nut and snap ring. I wouldn't be surprised if they re used the crush sleeve honestly. Will that create issues?
Hello
Looks like you know saab gear box well.
I have vibration on the body (Saab 9-5 2003) looks like inner cv joint is gone.
But cv joint have big play in the grear box itself.
Have you ever have worn out the tubes where the cv joint is locked with gear box?
Greetings from Poland.
Yes it's a bushing.
I plan on starting to build my own transmissions on my 520hp saab og9-3 de to the fact that i always destroy them... just a question, where dig you get a hold of all those special tools like the pullers and the special socket for the pinjon gear nut! Thanks!
TRecordings I got them on eBay about 4 year ago. Haven’t seen a set pop up in awhile, I also got some from a Saab dealer.
Sounds like you need a machined bell housing, with CNC pinion race retainer/support bracket with a doweled outer bolt, sleeved, and press fit crush sleeve delete...
Not sure if you check this still but do you happen to have a book on this transmission, I can't seem to find one detailing bearing preloads and tolerances
Google SAAB WiS. You can find a free download of it. It’s Saab service info, has entire prices in their for these transmissions step by step.
Great video, curious if you've ever had the differential output spiders get misaligned, got mine all sealed and put together and noticed they were flopping around in there
Emily Dencker I did encounter that issue one time! I had a low mileage one shipped to me and noticed the spider gears had fallen out! I spent hours trying to get them re-aligned but ended up having to split the cases. It was the entire reason I got into building these in the first place, best of luck.
uggh!! yea just split the case again. Going back together again. Thanks
Hey my brother how much liter of transmission fluid goes into FM55 B05 and what brand should I use thanks
@@jamrockrc172 1.8 liters. Use the oem Saab manual trans fluid
@@93Viggen23 if I can not get the OEM transmission fluid which other one would you recommend?
@@jamrockrc172 depends on your climate. MT-85 from redline I’ve had good experiences with.
Hello Stephen Do you think I can use gasket maker instead of the gasket that goes on the outer shell of the box covering the 5th gear? I'm having trouble sourcing this part and I was guyessing I could use the red loctite or some other type of good anaerobic sealant instead, at least temporarily for the time to receive this part...
More than likely yes, as long as the gasket doesn't space the cover out from coming into contact with anything.
If it goes all the way down just set onto the case, then you can use gasket maker.
I would personally use some RTV, I like Toyota FIPG the best..
Thank a lot bro, I'll use that while waiting for the correct part to arrive...
Sounds good! Have a blessed day.
Hey Stephen, what are you thoughts on the LSD kit that Traction Concepts makes? Is it risky for racing situations? I know Quaife makes an ATB for the F35 but it's over $1200.
Quaife are the only ones I’ve used. This Chinese company used to make some I believe called OBX they were like $350 I believe but they didn’t fit even close to correctly.
I have a 2 F35s I would like to merge into one. One is a B08 box with 100,000 miles on it and the other is a brand new box but from a Saturn L100 with a 4.45 final drive. I would like the box to have a Quaife LSD, 4.45 final drive, and ARP ring gear bolts. Would it be a good idea to use the brand new gear set from the Saturn Transmission? Or would it be too weak? The car will have a TD04-20T.
It should be fine, I have ran over 450lb/ft of torque through a stock, untouched F35 and it held up fine for years!
Awesome vid! Just found it today trying to figure out what could cause my 07 cobalt SS to pop out of 5th gear. It goes in but as soon as I go to accelerate it pops out of gear. Any idea what could be the issue?
It could be numerous things. Bent shift fork, detent/spring popped out, etc.
I have the same issue on my 2007 saab 93 1.8t replace 7m5th fork, same issue.
I wonder what int could be?
Is there a lockspring goes bad?
Thanks
Have you ever taken a MU3 apart? It has shift linkage through the case and I’m not sure how to remove them or do they stay there when separating the case?
They stay there
When replacing the clutch on a F35 transmission, don't you have to remove the slave cylinder/TOB to get to the clutch?
No, it bolts onto the transmission. The trans has to be removed in order to remove the TOB/slave cylinder assembly.
Stephen Boykin how much extra time would it take to do the TOB/SC if you're already doing the clutch? I took Ion Red Line to a shop and they're trying to charge me 4 hours of extra labor to do the SC/TOB. From what I can tell it should only be 20 more minutes (×2) so 40 minutes in total not 4 hours. Thanks for all your help dude
Which Kent Moore tool kit are you using I’ve been looking and all I’ve found was the individual numbers. I’m having a hard time finding them.
I will have to look next time I am at the shop. They do not produce them any longer as far as I know.
Stephen Boykin ok thank you I would really appreciate it
What are those tools you put next to the gear to split the housing ?
Part of the GM/SAAB transmission tool kit.
Maybe you can help I also have an Ariel Atom and the driver side seal was leaking or least thats what i thought. I replaced the seal with a factory seal from GM filled up the trans with 2 quart s of fresh fuild and it started to leak . Now what ? i have after market axles on the car so could that be the problem or did i not do something properly when the axle was reinstalled?
Either you tore the seal on install of the axle/seal or aftermarket axle is not the correct diameter where it seats into the trans.
Stephen Boykin , i came to the same conclusion after i messaged you. I used the calipers and checked the inner diameter of the seal . It measured 1.32 the driveshaft shop axle measured 1.38 . The diameter of the axle is to small. So im trying a ZZP seal which they mentioned it helps with mis alignment different axles, so on. So we'll see. Might have to have that part remade. Thanks for the response.
Caymccarp right on, hope you get it all sorted out!
Hi Stephen, is there any upgrade for the standard Saab 9-5 2.3t, 5 speed transmission?
Thehunter85 Yes. There are a lot of upgrades for that transmission! There aren’t any bolt on/swaps that are readily available or easily done.
hi there. it would be possible to take the shift shaft rod out in order to change the seal ring without removing the case? can i reach the T40 not? Thank You
You cannot remove the shift selector shaft unless the cases are split.
You can remove the seal in the car without removing the shaft, it is not a very fun job but it's possible as they do leak quite often.
@@93Viggen23 thank you. I will try to change the seal without removing the rod
where do you find rebuild kits?
No one makes a kit must source each individual part.
@@93Viggen23 but most parts are discontinued
@@VSCuddlez yes. Sadly a few key items are no longer available.
What puller did you use on the output shaft?
One of the GM pullers in my f35 tool kit. Snap on sells similar tho.
Do you know where i could find a repair manual for the f35 at?
how far do you disassemble the f35 to remove the differential gears? I have a quaife to put in mine replacing an open gear set.
Last part to be removed is the differential which the ring gear attaches to. You have to remove the differential, then remove the 11 bolts that hold the ring gear on, make sure you have new fasteners for the ring gear as they are one time use bolts. Use 12 on the Quaife with high strength threadlock.
thank you.
I have a 2006 Ion Redline with a F35 it will not shift into reverse the cable pulls on the reverse lever but will not engage into reverse any ideas?
Have you tried shifting into reverse with the cable detached from the shift mechanism at the transmission, and manually tried to shift it via the lever the cable pulls/pushes? If you take the cable off and try that and it still persists then there is something internally wrong, could be a number of things but cannot be certain until it is taken apart and inspected :). Hope this helps, have a blessed evening!
Sorry been busey I got to go in reverse by unhooking the shifter cable and pushing it in by hand, all it does is grind when you let the clutch out. Where can you find parts and repair manual for this. Do you know if I changed transmissions limited slip and non-limited interchangeable?
They are interchangeable as far as I know!
dude where can i fand parts and special tools required
Some parts are NLA, some you can get on esaabparts.com, some on GM parts websites.
PLEASE tell me where you get your bearings. I'm in canada, only been able to find them at GM, for the 6 tapered roller bearings over 1400 bucks!
eSaabParts.com usually has everything I need, I know the owner tell him I sent you. I not try eEuroparts.com
Huge help! Thank you! I found all through esaabparts. However, I have a quaife lsd, and I asked him to verify for me the I.d. of the diff bearing, I have a feeling it's different, and he hasn't gotten back to me. The bearing I need is 80mmx 50mm. Can you help one last time ;) thankyou.
@@jeffdobb3748 With a Quaife LSD you still use stock bearings. No problem!
Hi Stephen. Thank you for this excellent video. I was wondering if you have done any videos on transmission removal from a SAAB 93? (03 -09). I want to replace the internal fluid filter. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks again.
I haven't done any videos of the removal process.
Where can I find parts for the transmission
Esaabparts.com gmpartshwolesale but lots of stuff is no longer available sadly.
Can you explain to me how to split the case on a cobalt ss f35 I’m having a bit of trouble!
Same way as this. Just a few different things for shift linkage stuff!
Stephen Boykin that’s what I’m stuck on. How do you disconnect the shift linkages from the outside of the housing so you can split it apart?
@@dereksalaba4810 did you ever find out?
@@93Viggen23 could you tell how do I remove the shifter lever on cobalt ss manual transmission?
Is reassembly the just the reverse of disassembly?
No, certain fasteners need threadlocker, some need sealant on them... You have to set the input shaft pre-load via dial gauges and shim packs, same for differential, also have to setup the output shaft pre-load, slightly different. Circlips/retaining clips matter which side is facing the load, etc.
Stephen Boykin damn, sounds like in going to have to find a manual and buy some tools.
I want to know where you can find the parts for it
Esaabparts.com and some GM websites/suppliers have them
What is the torture for the output shaft nut
The torque is not a predetermined number. You measure axial play of the shaft against the case, take the measurement and use Saab's data sheet regarding output shaft pre-load and then use a special GM tool with serrated marks on it and set it to the number you come up with via Saabs service information.
How much would you charge to rebuild mine if i send it to you
It really depends on what parts need replacing as well as if you're doing a stock rebuild vs a high performance build. They aren't cheap, if you are serious email 93viggen2.3@gmail.com
What comes out of that whole to the left of the trans badge at 0.13?
The plastic piece that is in the hole is to cover it so that nothing unwanted gets in there. The hole is for when you are aligning the shift rod and shifter in the car when setting up the shift linkage, you stick a pin in there and it holds/locates the shift rod in the transmission.
on my 2004 Saturn Ion Redline that hole 90 degree fitting that connects 2 pipes (brake line like) with a zerk fitting. Maybe you can help me with some diag. I keep grinding 2nd and 4th, and its difficult to get into 1st. 3rd and 5th are smooth as butter. Any idea? Great video by the way keep them coming.
Oh, the left, I apologize I mis read the first time. That is the hydraulic line that goes to your slave cylinder!
Could be a number of things, sounds like it needs to come apart and get inspected.
Well I tore the left side of the engine bay apart and replaced that elbow, the new one appeared to have better flow. I'm going to replace the brake fluid and burp the system. Hopfully I won't have to drop the trans. If I do what clutch would you recommend? I'm thinking of going with higher flow fuel injectors and a 3.2 or 3.1 pulley for the supercharger. I'm not trying to make quarter mile monster, just something with some bang. Thanks for all your help.
Do you happen to have a parts list with with part numbers ?
Indeed
@@93Viggen23 ok would there be any way I could get a copy by chance please and thank you and if not it's ok
is there a list?
Where do you get the tool to split the casing apart?
I bought a set of the GM tooling, specifically for this transmission. You could use a generic gear puller, I used to use some Snap-On gear pullers before I had these.
Where did you get the gm tooling kit from?
@@CB7LOVER14 Found a few on ebay!
Where can you find parts for these transmissions? Like 2nd gear synchros and seals rebuild kits.
As far as rebuild kits, no where. No one makes kits. Have to source each part individually. Esaabparts.com usually where I go.
@@93Viggen23 thank you. I appreciate it.
Every transmission video I watch the guy either has the sniffles or a cough lol. Must be the trans fluids ehhh!. My f35 won't shift into reverse. Real good when I have to daily the damn thing lol. Someone said shift fork could be broken. It was getting harder and harder to get into reverse so thought it might be the cables so I adjusted here and there but nothing changed except then I couldn't get into 5th. I took the fuse box out to get access to the linkages on top of the trans and the top one moves freely but the bottom one only moves a little bit. What a pain in the butt :(. I never abuse this trans and have changed the fluid on time. I don't even no lift shift or anything like that.
Common issue you probably need a clutch/ and reverse gearset assembly.
@@93Viggen23 hmmm I can't find any parts anywhere online. At least with my T5 I could get parts. I might just rock the 4 gears I have left. I can't be pulling the trans on my daily. Saab pfffff.
@@simonriddick try esaabparts.com
@@simonriddick or swap good used trans
do you have a F35 trans for sale?
For what vehicle? There are multiple versions/variants of this trans.
Hey Steven do you want to rebuild my f35 lsd transmission
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Did you get my email
@@93Viggen23 mikecam1983olivia3@gmail.com
I'm interested in where you purchased the gear and case puller. Any info on the special tools you have would be greatly appreciated.
I purchased one set from eBay 7 or so years ago and I purchased another set from a Saab dealer that went out of business awhile ago as well. They pop up on eBay every once in awhile.