Started my guitar journey firmly on the Taylor side - I could actually understand the logic of their naming conventions and they explained to you what you can expect from this versus that model. By contrast, Martin's old website told you next to nothing about their models, and I had to watch Chris McKee tell me the difference between a 000-18 and an OM-28 - and from a PR perspective, that is borderline unacceptable. But here is the deal - when it comes to tone, I've really come around to Martin
Love them both. That each have their own tonal sound, response and feel. I've played the new Martin SC-13 at my local George's Music and was very sound forward and starts taking Martin in a new "Innovative" direction. Don't forget that Martin also made the Martin Alternative X aluminum top guitar right in the PA factory when they started experimenting with what has become the Road Series HPL sides guitar. That was very innovative. I fell in love with it back when they where making them and had it on the players wall at the factory; but I could not afford one then. I later bought one off of flee-bay after production stopped but I could afford one. That is honestly one of my favorite Martins; maybe because it is so unique. But the voicing even with the aluminum top is a beautiful chimey Martin sound. I also love my Taylor 213CE-Koa and 12string. Nothing like the quintessence Taylor 12 string sound, and of course the GTs. Expensive models of either, no not yet, but maybe never; the ones I have give me great enjoyment of playing and plenty of options. For options, Fender Acoustasonic anyone?
I mostly am a singing guitar player. My first guitar is still around after 53 years. My voice & style have changed and so has the need for a different voiced guitar. So yes, Martin, Taylor and others. Thanks.
What I love about Taylor Guitars is Bob's continual invention of tools, like the side benders, early adoption of Fadal CNC machining, automating the early portion of guitar buffing, and so many examples that have been shared with other luthiers and their companies. We always learn from each other. Guitar building is a collaborative industry. I agree with Chris' assessment of the 800 series as the flagship Taylor, yet I applaud Taylor for the Academy Series, great beginner and intermediate guitars that bring new players into the fold. Thanks, guys! They're all good, and I applauded my son-in-law, who was offered a job after his tour of Gibson's Bozeman factory. He continued his schooling at Montana State (Go Bobcats!, which is fine with me as I tweak him with a "Go Griz!" as a Missoula grad.). The best guitar, and the best guitarist, is the one you're making music with. Harmonize, man!
To me it's not an "either or" issue, I think both companies are great and make instruments that are the "gold standard" of guitars! I own a Martin, but I could easily be happy with a Taylor... I think Guild right now is making some really great instruments, I would LOVE to have an M-20!
Both Innovations and Tradition are good. I think about it this way... I had a 75 Ford Bronco back in the day and it was amazing, but when you compare the brakes and suspension of cars today some things just don't compare. If you gave me one would I drive it, heck yeah! Although if you could make something just as sweet with modern improvements wouldn't that be better? I love Taylor’s modern thinking and wood conservation. I think it is wonderful that they have included, worked, collaborated, and even helped other guitar brands get started. I’m excited there are so many wonderful guitar manufactures today besides the big 3 that are nipping at their heals to help them keep modern and help drive innovation. I still think Yamaha is under rated and with the transacoustic series have come out with something pretty darn cool.
I think it's about what sounds best to the player. Riding only for one brand because you "think" they are the best is like refusing to listen to new music.... I love to play all the guitars when I go to the music store to hear their different personalities....
I believe both have their merits. Innovation is the only way to make improvements and updates but, the traditional look and sound will always be sought after for lots of players.
How about a tradition of innovation? I like what Taylor brings to the table. I’m a recent convert to the brand, but pretty devoted at this point. But in all fairness, it was strumming a Martin that stirred up a desire to buy my first new guitar in over 15 years.
I think you both missed an important aspect of this, which is fashion/status/aesthetics. Most guitar players, even really good ones, will forego modern conveniences if they make the guitar look less cool, less vibey, and if they feel like they're not playing a "real les paul." If you want a Les Paul with an improved headstock, get a Heritage. Is Heritage more guitar for the money? for SURE! When I'm ready for a Les Paul, I will be getting a Gibson Les Paul and I will deal with the inferior headstock and the premium price because of the emotional/inspirational/fashion aspect of being a part of the Gibson Les Paul tradition. I'm not defending this on a rational basis btw. I'm just pointing this out as another very important factor in why guitarists choose certain guitars over others. When I get a Martin Standard, I want a 000-28. That's a Martin. It's every bit as much about culture and fashion as it is practicality. You'll notice, only one type of musician tends to go for the ultra modern fanned fret headless strandberg types. It's highly technical metal guys and virtuosic fusion guys. For them it's ALL tech. For the rest of us, it has more to do with expression, vibe, fashion, etc. I think the new offset Martin is hideous. I totally acknowledge all the innovations. I understand it's a divisive guitar that some will love and some will hate, but it's just not what I look for. In a Martin, I look for #1 tone, #2 playability/build quality, and #3 fashion and vibe. You're right that Martin was once like Taylor, and they were responding to the needs of guitar players)bigger bodies, more frets, etc. But back then, it was cutting edge technology. There were no amplifiers and the main way musicians made money was by traveling around with really loud acoustic instruments. Nowadays, because we have microphones and mass communication, the guitar doesn't have practical problems to "solve" like that. Their job is to sound great, play great, and form a connection with the player. A bit of a side bar, but I disagree with you on electronics. I think electronics in acoustics is fundamentally misguided. On a resonating body with a diaphragm top, the WHOLE INSTRUMENT is the sound. The top is the speaker. The soundhole is the "pole piece." The chamber is the preamp/coloration section. A pickup collects vibrations from the bridge plate. it sounds like a beehive full of farts. it defeats the purpose of a finely made acoustic instrument. I understand it's practical but, much like I would forego modern design improvements for fashion, I will also forego freedom of movement on stage for tone. everyone: please don't get electrified acoustics. Just mic them. They sound SO SO SO much better. If you need an amplified sound, play electric. It's both more practical and sounds musical. The neck pickup of a strat through a twin reverb sounds musical. A beautiful acoustic guitar sounds musical. Amplifying the bridge saddle of an acoustic guitar sounds like shit and again, defeats the purpose of an acoustic instrument.
I don't care about tradition or innovation. What matters to me is tone quality, playability and price. Which means I tend towards neither Martin or Taylor. Eastman for me! Sounds great. Plays great. And doesn't break the bank to buy one.
I love the back and forth between you two. Your ability to chat so comfortably would indicate that there must be some Irish in you gene makeup. Great fun, lots of laughs and I actually learned something.
Chris I think you said it the best on a different video, I love watching your videos. But your statement was the best guitar in the world is the one that you are playing. I own a Gibson I own a Martin And I love them both in their own ways I also have a Tak that I great.. So like you said the best guitar in the world is on your playing. Thank you very much for your videos I really enjoyed them and they’re very informative.
Recently went through this exact argument with myself! Ended up with a Taylor that is very innovative over a traditional Martin, but really I couldn't FIND any Martins. Wives or significant others don't understand, but you need BOTH!
Have both brands. Love both brands. Yes, they sound different from each other, which is a good thing! Friendly competition is what works. Don't forget about John Denver, who played Taylors. And, you guys are a great team! Wonderful info, and you make me laugh. 😁
In 1998 I went down to buy a Martin D28 and came home with a Taylor 810. Taylor did it better for less money and has continued to innovate in ways that Martin could not get away with because of their history. That said, it all depends on what you're looking for. If you aren't dead at on a classic Martin sound, play a Taylor and see if you like it. They used to be massively different in pricing but they are closer now than ever before. Maybe one day I'll buy a Martin. If I can ever get past the way a Taylor sounds for less money. Or when I finally decide I just need to get one.
A costly side effect of playing and loving guitars is that you start collecting them. I am still little more than a beginner but I now find myself with two Martins and two Taylors. As much as I love the warm sound of a Martin I admire the creativity and genius of Taylor. The competition is healthy. I hope that Martin, confident in their tradition, will come to a more continuous development and refinement their models.
I've been playing since I was 4 years old. I was indoctrinated to believe owning Martin guitars are THE END of everyone's guitar journey...as if there was no other brand to own as a professional player. I've only recently been able to try lots of higher end guitars from many manufacturers, and what I found out (rather quickly) is that I don't like Taylor or Martin...or Gibson, for that matter. I really love my Larrivee, Yairi, Breedlove, and Maestro MUCH more than any Martin or Taylor I've ever played. I prefer my Cort acoustics over a Taylor. I used to be one of the people who would say, "get a Martin and call it a day", but I'd be lying if I said a Martin or Taylor would be in my top 10 'best' guitars. Innovation is great, and there's a lot to learn about building a better acoustic. The direct coupled bridge on the Yairi is by far my favorite modern technologies. The bridge truss on Breedlove guitars is another amazing innovation. I enjoy your videos, guys! Thanks for your time. 🐰💜🎸🎶🤝✌
I love my SC13E! Perhaps because I am a newer player I have no ties to the tradition of Martin. It is so much more comfortable to sit and play than my dreadnought Yamaha.
BOTH! I have a wonderful sounding Takamine P4DC CoolTube that I am going to sell, because over the past few years, I have learned to despise the looks of cutaway acoustics.... especially big body strummers like dreadnoughts and jumbos.... I don’t play finger style, and have never touched the neck above the 12th fret, so why should I have to play an ugly guitar, that looses 15% of it’s body volume for an innovation I don’t use? That being said, can’t wait to get my hands on a Yamaha LL Transacoustic, because I WILL use that technology, and it’s a non-cutaway! I get a super fun, innovative sound to experiment with, and the traditional look I must now have....
I love both; I have a D-28, GPC16e, 562ce (X brace) and 717e BE...plus a GS Mini Mahogany that I never play. Next will be a 000-42. And that doesn’t include electrics🤷🏻♂️ Retired guy with disposable income and no impulse control lol.
I think, the question is not suitable ;-) because there is no Tradition vs. Innovation, there is Tradition and there is Innovation. As long, as any company in any market gets a balance between both, they can reach people and customers. I got my SC-13e for playability and innovation, I was not expecting to be fascinated by the more traditional lineup. But now I am, because I adore that Innovation balanced into that Tradition. Taylor is a Tradition of Innovation! And they are what they are, because of that balance which allow them, to build great guitars. If you take a look over to Europe, you‘ll find Tradition and Innovation in guitar builders as a steady tension. Try to do make it better, but don‘t loose what you achieved. You know Furch, I know Hanika and Höfner for example. You can get anything: as traditional as you want or as innovativ as you want and the complete range inbetween, that is what I love.
I firmly believe that a company that does not constantly innovate will be dead on the longer term. But a company that only innovates and constantly changes everything does not develop a recognizable identity and loyal re-buyers. It's interesting how Martin and Taylor put the emphasis (and the marketing messages) differently on the two elements innovation and tradition - but care for both and must continue to do so.
Well like you mentioned if you do not make innovations you may not attract a new customers, specially with a guitar that does not wear out real fast like a car . But I think they all have their place, what sound you are looking for and the style of playing you do.
When it comes to music, we're all inspired by someone -- we ride on the shoulders of giants. That being said, we also want our own sound. We like to innovate music. When you hear something on the radio that blows your mind, that musician more than likely used what's best suited for that style. Choose what's best for you. Or maybe I don't know any better. If a $50,000 guitar is good enough for your favorite musician, it should be good enough for you? 😅 I'm jealous of that mindset.
Innovation is only good and true if it actually delivers something better than the status quo, as opposed to just being a marketing buzzword. For me, tone and playability are everything. I've not seen any new methods or types of guitars that sound anywhere close to as good as the traditional guitars (and their advanced boutique versions, especially). The true innovation of people like Dana Bourgeois and Preston Thompson is that they do the traditional thing to its maximum exponent. I'm open to having my mind blown by new acoustic innovations (that don't involve microprocessors and software), but it hasn't happened yet.
I have stopped buying Taylor guitars because on several occasions, I purchased a Taylor only to have my model superseded by a new revolutionary Taylor design that they claim is much better than their previous model, the one I had just purchased. With a Martin or Gibson, I know I have a model that will stand the test of time.
I've owned Twelve Martin guitars I only kept my 1980 D-28 I sold other D-28S a HD-28, D-28 Twelve String,Three D-35s,and a D-45 the 1980 Martin D-28 I will never part with I didn't love the other Martins they just didn't do it for me I own eight Taylor guitars and I'm way more into my Taylors than any of the Martins,My Taylors are 614ce,614ce builders edition,814ceDlx v brace,816ce, K-24ce, 914ce,418ce,Baby Taylor,I also have Epiphones that I play outside or campfires because I don't like talking the expensive ones out I keep them in a controlled humidity.I think personally Martin guitars are way overrated especially the new ones.But Im really picky abouty guitars and I absolutely love the ones I have now.I bought all my guitars brand new except for the 1980 D-28 and it's in mint condition with original case I bought my first Taylors in 2015 till 2019 so there between those years.My wife thinks I have enough guitars but oh boy is she gonna be mad.My next is gonna be a Taylor Twelve String I'm trying to figure away to sneak it in the house,Does anyone else have this problem with wives not understanding that you can't have enough guitars ever 😆 lol.
Without innovation and people kept sticking to the tradition, there wouldn’t be the guitar to begin with. But without keeping the traditions, the guitar would have been gone. I think that pretty much sums up the argument.
Like they said innovation needs to do just that....definition of innovation is to make something better...hard to make a better toned guitar than a Martin...the V braced Taylor's to me...do not sound better that X braced Taylor's...I tried to like the many I've played, but they are missing something.
@@nellatrab I think for now the best innovations would be to improve the processes so that guitar prices will be less without compromising quality and sustainability.
Just bought a Martin D28 1998 bridge has come off guess the problem from the iconic experienced guitar builder ... you dont glue the bridge on over the varnish it doesn't stick.
You can't underestimate the amount of inspiration you get watching your favorite musician play a certain brand. When I see Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, or John Frusciante play a Martin, I immediately want to grab my Martin and play along
When you say "Premier" I think you're saying sales. WHICH has to do with sales. There's many, many more makers are "as good or better". I think a clarification of that is needed. Santa Cruz used my Tony Rice and Doc Watson playing Bourgeois. I could go on but
Beg pardon but Martin started using truss rods in 1983 because of Taylor's instrument stability; My 1993 D 1 Martin has a truss rod and plays as well as a Taylor but sounds like a Martin dreadnaught !
I think the question posed about whether you'd have a list of legendary players associated with Taylor/Martin in the future too casually dismisses the manufacturing overseas which is approaching Martin quality at 1/2 or less the price. There's just not going to be the same brand attachment you saw from the current 35-70yo audience who buys premium acoustics. FWIW Martin has arguably been surpassed by medium sized builders like Lowden and Collings as the top of the food chain on non boutique ultra premium acoustic guitars
It's personal preference in my opinion. While innovation is great to improve products, it's also good to rely on solid proven traditions. You can't go wrong withTaylor or Martin. There's one out there for you.
I think the biggest thing now days is price,,,,great guitars at a great price....Taylor for me....not every person can afford a martin...I think it's statist thing myself....my opion...
Both tradition and innovation have been hyped up so much they lead experts to speculate on them. Not necessary. Sound, playability, aesthetics. Playing and listening are the ultimate tests of a guitar.
I think acoustic and electric players need to embrace change more. Just because something was done a certain way 60 years ago doesn't mean it can't be done better now.
They only review brands that are sold by store where they work. If they are not reviewing a particular brand it probably means they don’t sell that brand.
Sc13 I think is laminate not solid wood. Not manufactured in Pennsylvania but in Mexico. Taylor American Dream for the price is a better choice for me.
I completely agree. If Taylor would offer different body shapes in the American Dream line it would it be even better. However, that would probably cannibalize sells of both the Mexican made 200 Series and the US made 300 Series so it will probably never happen.
Why don't you play the guitars? Of course I like a good guitar and looking for heirloom items for my Grandchildren. Even if they play viola. I like what I've bought from Alamo and they contain innovation, tradition, different voices, great setup and price. I don't sing the same songs I sang in the 1960s, and probably don't play it the way I did then. Thanks
Great debate. It goes for everything. What can innovation bring to improve things? What kind of innovation? To me the good old acoustic guitars were great. I'm old too, so...there's only so much you can bring anyway...it's just to play music. Thanks guys 🎶🎶🎶
Cheat Sheet: Compare a laundry list of people with talent to ? A massive lack of talent and a public devoid of appreciation for it isn't the guitar's fault. Old school/new school... it's all cool school.
I currently own 2 Taylor’s, but a D28 is on my guitar “bucket list”. They both make great guitars
better get hd28
Started my guitar journey firmly on the Taylor side - I could actually understand the logic of their naming conventions and they explained to you what you can expect from this versus that model. By contrast, Martin's old website told you next to nothing about their models, and I had to watch Chris McKee tell me the difference between a 000-18 and an OM-28 - and from a PR perspective, that is borderline unacceptable. But here is the deal - when it comes to tone, I've really come around to Martin
Love them both. That each have their own tonal sound, response and feel. I've played the new Martin SC-13 at my local George's Music and was very sound forward and starts taking Martin in a new "Innovative" direction. Don't forget that Martin also made the Martin Alternative X aluminum top guitar right in the PA factory when they started experimenting with what has become the Road Series HPL sides guitar. That was very innovative. I fell in love with it back when they where making them and had it on the players wall at the factory; but I could not afford one then. I later bought one off of flee-bay after production stopped but I could afford one. That is honestly one of my favorite Martins; maybe because it is so unique. But the voicing even with the aluminum top is a beautiful chimey Martin sound. I also love my Taylor 213CE-Koa and 12string. Nothing like the quintessence Taylor 12 string sound, and of course the GTs. Expensive models of either, no not yet, but maybe never; the ones I have give me great enjoyment of playing and plenty of options. For options, Fender Acoustasonic anyone?
I mostly am a singing guitar player. My first guitar is still around after 53 years. My voice & style have changed and so has the need for a different voiced guitar. So yes, Martin, Taylor and others. Thanks.
What I love about Taylor Guitars is Bob's continual invention of tools, like the side benders, early adoption of Fadal CNC machining, automating the early portion of guitar buffing, and so many examples that have been shared with other luthiers and their companies. We always learn from each other. Guitar building is a collaborative industry.
I agree with Chris' assessment of the 800 series as the flagship Taylor, yet I applaud Taylor for the Academy Series, great beginner and intermediate guitars that bring new players into the fold.
Thanks, guys! They're all good, and I applauded my son-in-law, who was offered a job after his tour of Gibson's Bozeman factory. He continued his schooling at Montana State (Go Bobcats!, which is fine with me as I tweak him with a "Go Griz!" as a Missoula grad.). The best guitar, and the best guitarist, is the one you're making music with. Harmonize, man!
To me it's not an "either or" issue, I think both companies are great and make instruments that are the "gold standard" of guitars!
I own a Martin, but I could easily be happy with a Taylor... I think Guild right now is making some really great instruments, I would LOVE to have an M-20!
Another great video. Cool that you got a Montreal International Jazz Festival T-Shirt.
Both Innovations and Tradition are good. I think about it this way... I had a 75 Ford Bronco back in the day and it was amazing, but when you compare the brakes and suspension of cars today some things just don't compare. If you gave me one would I drive it, heck yeah! Although if you could make something just as sweet with modern improvements wouldn't that be better? I love Taylor’s modern thinking and wood conservation. I think it is wonderful that they have included, worked, collaborated, and even helped other guitar brands get started. I’m excited there are so many wonderful guitar manufactures today besides the big 3 that are nipping at their heals to help them keep modern and help drive innovation. I still think Yamaha is under rated and with the transacoustic series have come out with something pretty darn cool.
I think it's about what sounds best to the player. Riding only for one brand because you "think" they are the best is like refusing to listen to new music.... I love to play all the guitars when I go to the music store to hear their different personalities....
I believe both have their merits. Innovation is the only way to make improvements and updates but, the traditional look and sound will always be sought after for lots of players.
How about a tradition of innovation? I like what Taylor brings to the table. I’m a recent convert to the brand, but pretty devoted at this point. But in all fairness, it was strumming a Martin that stirred up a desire to buy my first new guitar in over 15 years.
I expanded my horizons towards the east: Yamaha, Takamine, Crafter, etc.
I think you both missed an important aspect of this, which is fashion/status/aesthetics. Most guitar players, even really good ones, will forego modern conveniences if they make the guitar look less cool, less vibey, and if they feel like they're not playing a "real les paul." If you want a Les Paul with an improved headstock, get a Heritage. Is Heritage more guitar for the money? for SURE! When I'm ready for a Les Paul, I will be getting a Gibson Les Paul and I will deal with the inferior headstock and the premium price because of the emotional/inspirational/fashion aspect of being a part of the Gibson Les Paul tradition.
I'm not defending this on a rational basis btw. I'm just pointing this out as another very important factor in why guitarists choose certain guitars over others.
When I get a Martin Standard, I want a 000-28. That's a Martin. It's every bit as much about culture and fashion as it is practicality.
You'll notice, only one type of musician tends to go for the ultra modern fanned fret headless strandberg types. It's highly technical metal guys and virtuosic fusion guys. For them it's ALL tech. For the rest of us, it has more to do with expression, vibe, fashion, etc.
I think the new offset Martin is hideous. I totally acknowledge all the innovations. I understand it's a divisive guitar that some will love and some will hate, but it's just not what I look for. In a Martin, I look for #1 tone, #2 playability/build quality, and #3 fashion and vibe.
You're right that Martin was once like Taylor, and they were responding to the needs of guitar players)bigger bodies, more frets, etc. But back then, it was cutting edge technology. There were no amplifiers and the main way musicians made money was by traveling around with really loud acoustic instruments.
Nowadays, because we have microphones and mass communication, the guitar doesn't have practical problems to "solve" like that. Their job is to sound great, play great, and form a connection with the player.
A bit of a side bar, but I disagree with you on electronics. I think electronics in acoustics is fundamentally misguided. On a resonating body with a diaphragm top, the WHOLE INSTRUMENT is the sound. The top is the speaker. The soundhole is the "pole piece." The chamber is the preamp/coloration section. A pickup collects vibrations from the bridge plate. it sounds like a beehive full of farts. it defeats the purpose of a finely made acoustic instrument. I understand it's practical but, much like I would forego modern design improvements for fashion, I will also forego freedom of movement on stage for tone.
everyone: please don't get electrified acoustics. Just mic them. They sound SO SO SO much better. If you need an amplified sound, play electric. It's both more practical and sounds musical. The neck pickup of a strat through a twin reverb sounds musical. A beautiful acoustic guitar sounds musical. Amplifying the bridge saddle of an acoustic guitar sounds like shit and again, defeats the purpose of an acoustic instrument.
Gibson sounds like a Gibson
Taylor sounds like a Taylor
Martin sounds like a guitar
thats why martin is so successful, they arent dramatically
different from the rest bc they have the classic acoustic sound
chris you do my favorite guitar vids on youtube. You do a great job and your passion puts you ahead of everyone else. Thanks man.
I don't care about tradition or innovation. What matters to me is tone quality, playability and price. Which means I tend towards neither Martin or Taylor. Eastman for me! Sounds great. Plays great. And doesn't break the bank to buy one.
I love the back and forth between you two. Your ability to chat so comfortably would indicate that there must be some Irish in you gene makeup. Great fun, lots of laughs and I actually learned something.
Chris I think you said it the best on a different video, I love watching your videos. But your statement was the best guitar in the world is the one that you are playing. I own a Gibson I own a Martin And I love them both in their own ways I also have a Tak that I great.. So like you said the best guitar in the world is on your playing. Thank you very much for your videos I really enjoyed them and they’re very informative.
What an interesting and informative video. Thanks guys. I’m a 714 owner but would love to add a 28 some day.
Recently went through this exact argument with myself! Ended up with a Taylor that is very innovative over a traditional Martin, but really I couldn't FIND any Martins. Wives or significant others don't understand, but you need BOTH!
Have both brands. Love both brands. Yes, they sound different from each other, which is a good thing! Friendly competition is what works.
Don't forget about John Denver, who played Taylors.
And, you guys are a great team! Wonderful info, and you make me laugh. 😁
John Denvers main best guitar was a custom Yamaha!
I'm all for innovation as long as it excludes any type of modeling, USB ports or rechargeable batteries. Looking at you Acoustasonic!
Taylor and Martin both do things the other doesn't. I'm a Martin man all the way. But I still love what Taylor does.
Awesome conversation...I agree with both I own a Martin and I want a Taylor I well own aTaylor I will Own both for different reasons.
In 1998 I went down to buy a Martin D28 and came home with a Taylor 810. Taylor did it better for less money and has continued to innovate in ways that Martin could not get away with because of their history. That said, it all depends on what you're looking for. If you aren't dead at on a classic Martin sound, play a Taylor and see if you like it. They used to be massively different in pricing but they are closer now than ever before.
Maybe one day I'll buy a Martin. If I can ever get past the way a Taylor sounds for less money. Or when I finally decide I just need to get one.
I really like the vibe of this discussion
A costly side effect of playing and loving guitars is that you start collecting them. I am still little more than a beginner but I now find myself with two Martins and two Taylors. As much as I love the warm sound of a Martin I admire the creativity and genius of Taylor. The competition is healthy. I hope that Martin, confident in their tradition, will come to a more continuous development and refinement their models.
I've been playing since I was 4 years old. I was indoctrinated to believe owning Martin guitars are THE END of everyone's guitar journey...as if there was no other brand to own as a professional player. I've only recently been able to try lots of higher end guitars from many manufacturers, and what I found out (rather quickly) is that I don't like Taylor or Martin...or Gibson, for that matter. I really love my Larrivee, Yairi, Breedlove, and Maestro MUCH more than any Martin or Taylor I've ever played. I prefer my Cort acoustics over a Taylor.
I used to be one of the people who would say, "get a Martin and call it a day", but I'd be lying if I said a Martin or Taylor would be in my top 10 'best' guitars.
Innovation is great, and there's a lot to learn about building a better acoustic. The direct coupled bridge on the Yairi is by far my favorite modern technologies. The bridge truss on Breedlove guitars is another amazing innovation.
I enjoy your videos, guys! Thanks for your time. 🐰💜🎸🎶🤝✌
I had a Cort 12 string. Somebody stole it. It was great!
So, though you never play Oregon-built Breedlove guitars on these videos, could you share your thoughts about them?
Both pros and cons.
Thanks
I love my SC13E! Perhaps because I am a newer player I have no ties to the tradition of Martin. It is so much more comfortable to sit and play than my dreadnought Yamaha.
BOTH! I have a wonderful sounding Takamine P4DC CoolTube that I am going to sell, because over the past few years, I have learned to despise the looks of cutaway acoustics.... especially big body strummers like dreadnoughts and jumbos.... I don’t play finger style, and have never touched the neck above the 12th fret, so why should I have to play an ugly guitar, that looses 15% of it’s body volume for an innovation I don’t use? That being said, can’t wait to get my hands on a Yamaha LL Transacoustic, because I WILL use that technology, and it’s a non-cutaway! I get a super fun, innovative sound to experiment with, and the traditional look I must now have....
I love both; I have a D-28, GPC16e, 562ce (X brace) and 717e BE...plus a GS Mini Mahogany that I never play. Next will be a 000-42. And that doesn’t include electrics🤷🏻♂️ Retired guy with disposable income and no impulse control lol.
I think, the question is not suitable ;-) because there is no Tradition vs. Innovation, there is Tradition and there is Innovation. As long, as any company in any market gets a balance between both, they can reach people and customers. I got my SC-13e for playability and innovation, I was not expecting to be fascinated by the more traditional lineup. But now I am, because I adore that Innovation balanced into that Tradition.
Taylor is a Tradition of Innovation! And they are what they are, because of that balance which allow them, to build great guitars.
If you take a look over to Europe, you‘ll find Tradition and Innovation in guitar builders as a steady tension. Try to do make it better, but don‘t loose what you achieved. You know Furch, I know Hanika and Höfner for example. You can get anything: as traditional as you want or as innovativ as you want and the complete range inbetween, that is what I love.
Cool video! Thanks! I'm a fan of Innovation and Tradition.
I wish you would try the Anderton video formula of beginning with an opening jam before talking.
I firmly believe that a company that does not constantly innovate will be dead on the longer term. But a company that only innovates and constantly changes everything does not develop a recognizable identity and loyal re-buyers. It's interesting how Martin and Taylor put the emphasis (and the marketing messages) differently on the two elements innovation and tradition - but care for both and must continue to do so.
Well like you mentioned if you do not make innovations you may not attract a new customers, specially with a guitar that does not wear out real fast like a car . But I think they all have their place, what sound you are looking for and the style of playing you do.
When it comes to music, we're all inspired by someone -- we ride on the shoulders of giants. That being said, we also want our own sound. We like to innovate music. When you hear something on the radio that blows your mind, that musician more than likely used what's best suited for that style. Choose what's best for you.
Or maybe I don't know any better. If a $50,000 guitar is good enough for your favorite musician, it should be good enough for you? 😅 I'm jealous of that mindset.
Innovation is only good and true if it actually delivers something better than the status quo, as opposed to just being a marketing buzzword. For me, tone and playability are everything. I've not seen any new methods or types of guitars that sound anywhere close to as good as the traditional guitars (and their advanced boutique versions, especially). The true innovation of people like Dana Bourgeois and Preston Thompson is that they do the traditional thing to its maximum exponent. I'm open to having my mind blown by new acoustic innovations (that don't involve microprocessors and software), but it hasn't happened yet.
I have stopped buying Taylor guitars because on several occasions, I purchased a Taylor only to have my model superseded by a new revolutionary Taylor design that they claim is much better than their previous model, the one I had just purchased. With a Martin or Gibson, I know I have a model that will stand the test of time.
Dave Matthews has had a Martin and Taylor signature model. I would love to have either/both.
I've owned Twelve Martin guitars I only kept my 1980 D-28 I sold other D-28S a HD-28, D-28 Twelve String,Three D-35s,and a D-45 the 1980 Martin D-28 I will never part with I didn't love the other Martins they just didn't do it for me I own eight Taylor guitars and I'm way more into my Taylors than any of the Martins,My Taylors are 614ce,614ce builders edition,814ceDlx v brace,816ce, K-24ce, 914ce,418ce,Baby Taylor,I also have Epiphones that I play outside or campfires because I don't like talking the expensive ones out I keep them in a controlled humidity.I think personally Martin guitars are way overrated especially the new ones.But Im really picky abouty guitars and I absolutely love the ones I have now.I bought all my guitars brand new except for the 1980 D-28 and it's in mint condition with original case I bought my first Taylors in 2015 till 2019 so there between those years.My wife thinks I have enough guitars but oh boy is she gonna be mad.My next is gonna be a Taylor Twelve String I'm trying to figure away to sneak it in the house,Does anyone else have this problem with wives not understanding that you can't have enough guitars ever 😆 lol.
Without innovation and people kept sticking to the tradition, there wouldn’t be the guitar to begin with.
But without keeping the traditions, the guitar would have been gone.
I think that pretty much sums up the argument.
Like they said innovation needs to do just that....definition of innovation is to make something better...hard to make a better toned guitar than a Martin...the V braced Taylor's to me...do not sound better that X braced Taylor's...I tried to like the many I've played, but they are missing something.
@@nellatrab I think for now the best innovations would be to improve the processes so that guitar prices will be less without compromising quality and sustainability.
I never really played a full-sized Taylor that I liked, tbh. Martin does it for me though.
Just bought a Martin D28 1998 bridge has come off guess the problem from the iconic experienced guitar builder ... you dont glue the bridge on over the varnish it doesn't stick.
You can't underestimate the amount of inspiration you get watching your favorite musician play a certain brand. When I see Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, or John Frusciante play a Martin, I immediately want to grab my Martin and play along
They build them too well, my D28 is from the early 60s and will go for another 50 years.....
They have to make me want another guitar.
When you say "Premier" I think you're saying sales. WHICH has to do with sales. There's many, many more makers are "as good or better". I think a clarification of that is needed. Santa Cruz used my Tony Rice and Doc Watson playing Bourgeois. I could go on but
Good topic, guys .. The choice is subjective.
Beg pardon but Martin started using truss rods in 1983 because of Taylor's instrument stability; My 1993 D 1 Martin has a truss rod and plays as well as a Taylor but sounds like a Martin dreadnaught !
I'm the kind of guy that would put Martin strings on a Taylor guitar... if I could afford a Taylor
I think the question posed about whether you'd have a list of legendary players associated with Taylor/Martin in the future too casually dismisses the manufacturing overseas which is approaching Martin quality at 1/2 or less the price. There's just not going to be the same brand attachment you saw from the current 35-70yo audience who buys premium acoustics. FWIW Martin has arguably been surpassed by medium sized builders like Lowden and Collings as the top of the food chain on non boutique ultra premium acoustic guitars
It's personal preference in my opinion. While innovation is great to improve products, it's also good to rely on solid proven traditions. You can't go wrong withTaylor or Martin. There's one out there for you.
Innovation MAKES tradition. They reign together. Amen. I own both...maybe one day a Gibson, too.
I think the biggest thing now days is price,,,,great guitars at a great price....Taylor for me....not every person can afford a martin...I think it's statist thing myself....my opion...
You guys going to start a podcast yet?
I've never heard a Taylor with the sound that I love like Martin. But that's just me. I love a deep rich sound and for me Taylor doesn't come close.
Both tradition and innovation have been hyped up so much they lead experts to speculate on them. Not necessary. Sound, playability, aesthetics. Playing and listening are the ultimate tests of a guitar.
I think acoustic and electric players need to embrace change more. Just because something was done a certain way 60 years ago doesn't mean it can't be done better now.
The Taylors feel great in the hand but don’t sound right to me that’s why I bought a Martin and I just love The Company
The mustache is on point.
I know that the SC13 is a great guitar, but it looks weird. I’ll stick with a D28 or D35
Sadly Dave Matthews doesn't play Taylor anymore. He's onto Rockbridge.
Gibson, to Martin, to Taylor, to Rockbridge. Love his taste.
He's been playing Rockbridge for like 10 years I believe.
How come I can't find any reviews from you about Walden guitars or Eastman. Talk about innovation.
They only review brands that are sold by store where they work. If they are not reviewing a particular brand it probably means they don’t sell that brand.
Sc13 I think is laminate not solid wood. Not manufactured in Pennsylvania but in Mexico. Taylor American Dream for the price is a better choice for me.
I completely agree. If Taylor would offer different body shapes in the American Dream line it would it be even better. However, that would probably cannibalize sells of both the Mexican made 200 Series and the US made 300 Series so it will probably never happen.
Why don't you play the guitars? Of course I like a good guitar and looking for heirloom items for my Grandchildren. Even if they play viola. I like what I've bought from Alamo and they contain innovation, tradition, different voices, great setup and price. I don't sing the same songs I sang in the 1960s, and probably don't play it the way I did then. Thanks
Great debate. It goes for everything. What can innovation bring to improve things? What kind of innovation? To me the good old acoustic guitars were great. I'm old too, so...there's only so much you can bring anyway...it's just to play music. Thanks guys 🎶🎶🎶
I only care about the outcome.
Ease of play, comfort, tonality, projection, voume, sustain, quality and aesthetics can be quite subjective 🤗
I guess they all have a place but when it comes time to lay down my hard earned money it will be on a Martin!
I'd be more interested in martins if they didn't use the aging toners. They look like hell with that stuff. What's wrong with a natural top?
Also when did martin stop using mahogany for the necks on the 28 series?
Cheat Sheet: Compare a laundry list of people with talent to ? A massive lack of talent and a public devoid of appreciation for it isn't the guitar's fault. Old school/new school... it's all cool school.
I gotta put my feelings, I'm a furch guy through and throughout lol
What about Ovation?
Innovation
I'm a taylor guy but I dont like innovation in acoustics 😭😭😭
Bald dudes definitely a Taylor guy
waste of electrons....
Are you father and son?