Many years ago I met and talked to one of my heroes Steve Earle I asked for song writing advice he said don't ever quit man just keep on singing your songs no matter what. Good advice.
As a beginner the “my wife tells me I sound terrible” really resonated with me LOL. After working all day and taking care of our toddler, the last 1-2 hours in the day are my practice time. I am now focusing on barre chords and alternate/crosspicking. Needless to say it does not sound great right now but I’ll get there! Best feeling is to have your kid bop along to what your playing when you actually just sit to play what you know well. Even those 1-2 songs lol.
I am about to be 45 and picked up the guitar 8 days ago. My teenage son has inspired me to learn to play. I have no previous musical experience, other than a triangle in children’s choir, and I wasn’t very good at it. I have really enjoyed trying to learn thus far and I really appreciate your insights you shared in this video. Please keep the good content coming!
Been playing since 1972. COVID shut down my 6 day a week volunteer sessions so I thought I'd take on-line lessons to keep growing in guitar. TrueFire didn't work for me but Tony's Acoustic Challenge (Acoustic Tuesday) did. I converted the spare bedroom to guitar room with 2 guitar stands, humidifier, music stand & other stuff they talk about. It's also the morning & evening prayer room (with guitar accompaniment). TAC gives me a lesson 5 days a week, things I never would have tried, techniques I can add to my existing song collection, and when I struggle, some hints and encouragement. Almost as good as Chris & Cooper. Now instead of playing at nursing homes, assisted living & memory care, I phone some of them (they don't zoom or internet). Thanks Chris & Cooper
I liked the 10 practice pitfalls And will apply them. the last comment you made about the nursing homes is great . We used to do that quite often until covid came along. We will start back when we are allowed. It is so important. They feel so forgotten. God bless all who visit them and proforms for them.
The visualization of recording a piece can really help with "discipline". Just imagine the frustration of recording something that's not well rehearsed. Four years ago I never would have thought I'd be qualified to comment....nor would I have imagined any scenario where I'd be uploading videos of my playing of both piano and guitar. I suggest that if you have any doubts about your capacity to progress.....dismiss them now if you want to learn an instrument. Never compare yourself to anyone. Commit to getting good. Forget about what others think - especially your family. Steal time responsibly from other aspects of your life without guilt because - you deserve joy!
As a personal trainer, I always adopt the same philosophy to improving my guitar playing as I do with trying to improve my fitness. That is SMARTER goal setting... Specific Measurable Achievable Realistic Time Evaluate Regularly
Larry Greenberg in NYC (no relationship to Cooper). In NYC and surviving COVID with you two. Great inspiration to practice. Cant wait to visit one day!
This duo always makes me giggle. It must be the contrast in their hair. Anyway, I completely agree with the bit about keeping an open mind. The other day I was playing with what for me was an unusual chord shape. I accidentally hit the wrong strings, but those notes turned out to be perfect leading notes to the next chord. I now play them deliberately and they sound great. And I can pretend I knew what I was doing all the while.
I’ve been playing for almost 50 years, several instruments and many bands and styles. I must be the exception, but to this day I love playing with.a metronome. It does really help you work with learning tunes and techniques very quickly. I also have no issue playing slow, which a lot of people have problems with, but I find that one of the best uses of a metronome is to push your playing speed far beyond what the tune calls for (I play Bluegrass mostly now). That makes playing at the normal speed much more effortless, especially when playing live, or playing in jams with people who are at a level higher than my own. I see others use a metronome and tend to chase it. Best to just treat a metronome like they are another player you are playing along with, and just groove with it.
Yes. Challenging, so we can reach the feeling of accomplishment. It takes commitment and I must admit (5 years of playing, I'm 60, so late start) accepting dull days can occur and frustration too, it's part of the deal! Thanks Chris and Cooper 👍🎶🎶🎶
Even though I'm not a complete beginner to guitar, I like watching these kind of vids cuz they help me to not become lazy n also to break bad habits. These rules are the kick in the butt that I need every so often. Much appreciated it dudes ✌🎃🤘
Thanks for your advices, I’ll try to practice from many of your suggestions. Now, I’m realized that practicing while watching TV is not a good habit.🎶🎸
Seen your channel only recently, first I thought a music shop, advice on guitars, then I found your Top 10 tips to get better player: it was awsome! I'm 70 and just retired, I've been playing for over 50 years, just from time to time, now I'm gonna start from the beginning like a student, gathering all I've learnt and trying and improve step by step the way you show. Thank you for your lesson so useful and so well given, and specially for your conclusion which I deeply share: music is made to be shared, not only technique but the soul in it. Great job guys! It would be nice a video with you playing as a duo. See you next time. Cheers
Thank you for this! I am 63 years old and am just starting my guitar journey. I have never played an instrument of any kind. I have been very confused on the best way to practice. This will be a big help.
Wow! You guys hit the nail on the head! Picked up a Cigar Box Guitar 5 weeks ago. The headstock is the same width as the fretboard to no way to easily hang it. My wife kept putting it on the fireplace mantle which was only 10 feet from my desk - but when I began resting it in the trash can next my desk to keep it from falling over, I find myself picking it up 15 times a day practicing new licks... compared to every other day playing it. Last week I moved my Martin martin to a floor stand on the other side of my desk, and now I'm grabbing that once or twice a day instead of once or twice a week! 😀
I made the mistake of practicing while sitting on the floor-actually a Japanese sort of recliner with no legs-while playing guitar for a couple of months. My fingers started going numb and I had ulnar nerve damage. As soon as I went back to sitting in a proper chair, the problem went away. Total agreement about having my instrument out all the time and deciding when I’m actually going to practice. My routine is that I sit where I’m going to practice, everything is set up, so I might pick up the guitar any time at all and just noodle or test myself on a technique or tune I’m working on to see if I’ve got it while, for example, a commercial is on or I’m watching the news; but then I plan the remainder of the day, including meals, exercise, errands, and from what time to what time I am exclusively practicing guitar. What you said about making mistakes in practice versus performing, when I was a student at Berklee-on sax-one of the things even the absolute top musicians would do is go to open jam nights at bars and clubs. I used to go to a little place in the South End where there would be about twenty horn players lined up to play bebop. A good number of the players in that line were already Grammy winners, and part of the reason they were so great was because this is what they did for practice. Not only is the audience nose to nose with you, but they’re other musicians, so you have hundreds of reasons to be nervous in that situation. Back then I had terrible anxiety about performing live. I was mostly a studio musician. But now on guitar-only two years and three months so far-what I’ve been doing is live performances on social media and very often taking my guitar or ukulele in a gig bag with a mini amp and playing in a public area like a park or more often the shopping area near me. Just sit on a bench and practice or play. I’ve actually become locally famous for this; people actually applaud sometimes or bring me beer. Especially during the pandemic, when everything was cancelled, people were so starved for entertainment that they became desperate enough to enjoy my playing. The first time was really hilarious though. I was playing in a park, nobody around I thought, did my thing and then behind me, applause! A group of people had formed an audience as they were just walking by. Justin Guitar made a great comment about learning techniques, scales, and so forth. He says a big mistake a lot of people make is memorizing scales and techniques they don’t actually need yet, and so they never really master that material and typically forget it, so when they actually do need it then they have to relearn it again. That is easily the biggest mistake I made on sax. So yeah, again, total agreement about how it goes hand in hand to learn tunes and the techniques required to play them. When I struggled to learn how to play barre chords for example, someone had a great suggestion that I used to learn a song with one bar chord in it to just get used to it. I did ‘Wild Horses’ by the Rolling Stones, and ever since I’ve had no problem with barre chords.
I needed this video so bad right now. I get in a rut not feeling like practicing or playing, waiting for a blast of inspiration like a surfer waiting for a wave. When I do get motivated, it's from hearing a song or watching a video performance, go to a subscription website I belong to and work on it. Learning is funny. A year ago my right hand could only strum and flat-pick out a few chord notes. I thought I'd never learn to finger-pick. I tried from several videos, then give up. Maybe watching 5 different people show you how they do it isn't good? Then one day I'm just doing it, like the info finally went from my brain to my fingers. Please do more videos like these. The improvs from the store were hilarious.
Hello from Canada! Love your videos! I've been playing for a little over a year and allways feel im way behind where I should be. I'm 40, not a musical bone in my body so its been a labor of discipline. I laughed when you mentioned watching these 10 y/o kids that play amazingly. This is like golf, your playing against yourself, and I love it! Thanks for all the great videos, I bought a K24ce because I'd seen it here and its amazing. Keep up the great work!
My wife asked me last night why she hasn't heard me practice in a while. I told her I've been practicing every day, but I can barely listen to it, let alone subject her to my fumbling. I also find I'm so self conscious of what others might hear that I'm way worse if someone else is in the room. If I can't see anyone, I don't grimace with every mistake, so I make fewer mistakes. At least my wife is really supportive, so I doubt she'd ever tell me I sound awful. She knows me well enough to know I'm telling myself that!
On the subject of recording yourself: I do it once a month with a video. It's hard to see how much progress you are making because it's so incremental. But if you record yourself once a month you can go back to see how far you've come which is really great for confidence to show that you ARE progressing even if you don't feel it on any given day. I also find that it shows me how I'm playing so I can improve my technique and also makes me realise I didn't sound as bad as I thought when I was playing it at the time!
I do this also and it's amazing and encouraging to see how much I have improved. I began recording because I wanted to see if I looked cool lol or looked like I was struggling when I played and when I went back later I realized the value of recording progress. I always see more progress on the recording that I am thinking in my head. That is rewarding.
Great list! After reading the replies, at 62, I can see I am not alone in taking up the guitar late in life. I try to practice 5-10 minutes before going to work and love watching sports on tv while I practice. I know I am making progress when I can play a song or chord progression while watching golf! I see golf and playing guitar the same. Once in a while I will sink a 30 foot putt just like Tiger, and once in a while I will play a G cord just like Jimmy Hendrix.
You two are awesome. I’m watching with my first cup of coffee and laughing out loud at Cooper’s skits. What a wonderful way to start my day. OBTW, great tips for a beginning guitarist.
Very informative video about practice tips. I began a guitar class four months ago. I was impressed with Lauren Bateman here on UA-cam. I had been watching music videos-primarily people playing guitar…I thought to myself maybe playing guitar would keep my mind active-I will be 78 in October. Lauren mentioned she had a 90 year old in her guitar classes and was patient with older folks and that caught my attention. Anyway, I bought her seven step program. I am really pleased with my progress…incidentally she highly stresses using a metronome. I use mine all the time. I have my guitar out and practice daily…thanks to you I will start recording myself. Oh by the way I’m getting a new Taylor from your store for my birthday 🎂. Happy birthday to me!
9:34 i do remember while reading that book, i realized that the reason why i stopped practising was because i had to store my guitar somewhere not very reachable and i just got sick of taking it out and putting it back.
one of the first things i tell all my students: get a guitar stand and put the guitar so that you can reach it from the place where you spend the most time of the day without having to get up to get it. if you spend the next days at your desk or if you chill all weekend in bed: take the guitar with you. i promise you that you will play more and practice more. i own multiple guitars and they are spread all around the apartment except for the bathroom. if i owned a carbon fiber guitar it would probably live there.
Thank you so much! A lot of good tips in this video. I am struggling but enjoying it! I don’t think I ever said that before. I play for myself. The fingers stiffen and other issues, but I see improvement, maybe almost imperceptible, but it’s there. I have guitars out on stands and my wife bought me a music stand. My time, believe it or not, is 11 p.m. The metronome and foot tapping are still beyond me, but maybe I’ll get there. Best, Barry
Great tips! I've been playing for 30+ years and feel I'm still only knee-deep in the pond. When I get cocky I just watch guys like Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Jeff Beck or Eddie V (or that 10 year old kid). SO much to learn and then enough practice to transfer control from the head to the hands. Wish the internet were ubiquitous in 1987 when I started (at least in some ways). Thanks for all the work, guys.
About keeping instruments out. I do that in seasons where the humidity is appropriate, but I really don’t like the sound of cheap or mini guitars. Your point about creating a time and space for practice is good, and I find that when my expensive Martins are in a case, that my reserved time gets used well as pulling the instrument out of the case puts me in focus mindset. It’s like a switch that says, the guitar is out, it’s now time to be serious about playing. Once I put it back, my session is done, and I’m back to my other routines. I also find that it’s good to have some sessions where you don’t practice, and just enjoy playing tunes well.
Thank you...watching you listening to you both really makes me realize I don’t practice enough. I’m at the discouraged point and I’m trying to move past that.
Sometimes we just need encouragement, inspiration and a plan. People are unproductive because they are lazy. People are often unproductive because they lack clarity. Find your plan and you will find your way. ;) - Chris
Great, insightful, practical video! Thank you for sharing. I currently take guitar lessons. The focus seems to be strictly learning songs which I’m okay with because I’ve grown as a player as a result. Some songs, that have been beyond my skill level, I’ve wrestled with time and time again (for weeks and months), and unfortunately, I abandoned them because I just couldn’t get them. In fact, I can’t even listen to one particular song because the associated memories are more of failure than joy. I realize that this is 100% counterproductive and counterintuitive. I wanted to take guitar lessons so that I could learn the guitar. Understanding the guitar, for me, is elusive. I’d like to understand the fretboard. I’d like to learn “techniques” and skills that you’ve talked about in this video. I might kinda know a few more songs, but I’m still in the dark when it comes to understanding the incredible instrument that I enjoy playing. I love music, but I’m facing a big dilemma about fulfilling my goal of “learning to play the guitar”. Thanks again for the excellent tips on practising.
Been playing for 58 years (go figure). I really enjoyed your video, I know all those pitfalls haha (and never got discouraged).Now this is something I believe: Rise to the occasion. I mean, if the talent is there (IF THE TALENT !!!) it will show fast, and gets even better when challenged.If the Stones would have stayed a blues band with their regular Sunday night at the Richmond Hotel or something, they would have been a very nice , very tight blues band but not the greatest rock'nroll band in history.I believe in before, and beyond the magic point, after which it has become music.
I’ve really grown to enjoy these vids, especially bc I never feel as if they’re only here to sell us something. Here are two genuine musicians who seem to enjoy sharing instruments, ideas, and music with us. Also, what are the details on those lights behind you?
Are these two twins with a very different hirsuteness? Really enjoyed this video. A lot of real truths gently put. The last few minutes are golden advice
I normally don't comment amd I know this is an "old" video, but! I love the encouragement to play for an old folks home. Y'all got me right there. Have been an Alamo music center UA-cam fan for a while. Love all your videos but this one gets a pin to the tip of my list. I'll watch this every time I get in a rut! Thanks guys!!!
Love them together they are funny and at the same time very informative. When one starts giggly the other is serious especially I call him sneezy. He called himself that because of his allergies. Great channel.
THANK YOU so much for the videos you guys put out! just bought my first acoustic ever...A Taylor 214ce Grand Auditorium. And I’ve been learning so much from your videos! Keep those videos coming guys!...I’m really enjoying them! 👍😎👍
Leaving the guitar out and on a stand I do.. I sound terrible so that's great also... struggling with bowies space odditiefor years now... bunch of great advice... thanks !
Thank you for the tips. What I have been doing is trying to figure out practice. I have owned a guitar for 10+ years and dabbled. But now I got a new guitar but felt like I didn’t know what to do. So I use SimplyGuitar and just started taking in person lessons just over a month and half ago. I enjoy it but been struggling on how to practice as basically a beginner. Thank you for the helpful tips.
i'm just starting after starting 4 times before in my life, I'm working on memorizing the fret board, and my first couple chords. i downloaded a fret and chord pdf to look at, and spending 15 minutes a day on that till i move on
Best points i heard here was Dont put your instruments away . also play with a timer of some kind . metronomes and drum machines are great but also play along with a radio station because you have to play random songs instead of your faves .
Thanks for tips I'm 50 years old work a lot and just picked up the guitar about a year ago still suck,and can't play a song I know chords but get frustrated because not learning quickly, so I move on to another then another another, but I will use your advice and learn at least 1 dam song
GREAT job, guys! We need a poster to hang on the wall in our practice space to remind us constantly of these sterling principles. My buddy, Elvis, who grew up just around the corner here in Tupelo, MS would say "Thank ya. Thank ya vurry much!" Y'all come!
Enjoyed the video. I was surprised at how much of this I am doing and how much I need to change to make practice better. Starting tomorrow I will set a practice time every day for the same time. Laundry and other chores can wait. I appreciate my teacher even more after this video.
Hi guys, instead of using a metronome, I use garageband to put a percussion track down for timing while practicing, it's more fun and a real backing sound.
In my very limited experience the most important thing is to finish a practice task by doing it correctly… maybe I have to do it super painfully slow, but I find that finishing by doing it right I tend to come back to the next session being able to do it better. It’s a weird thing and I cannot explain it, but it works for me.
1- Practice, don't perform: If it sounds good you're not really practicing, you're just playing. Make sure you're challenging yourself. 2- Have a plan: When you practice, make sure you know what you're going to work on (song, technique, etc.). Have a goal. 3- Set a time, set a place: It makes that time something to look forward to. Helps remove distractions during practice time. timing. 4- Use a metronome: Use a metronome to improve your playing time. 5- Keep your instrument available and out: Having your instument available you're more likely to have the habit of practicing regularly. 6- Focus: Avoid all distractions during practice time (phone, TV, internet, etc). 7- Be open to creating while practicing: Take adtantage of new ideas that may arise during practice time. Embrace the "happy accidents", the moments of creative genius. 8- Be patient with yourself: Don't be discouraged if something you're practicing is taking you a long time. Sit on your progress, keep it personal, and be patient before performing for an audience. 9- Record yourself and listen back: Audio and/or video, if you record yourself you may find multiple things you need to improve and things that you like about your guitar playing. 10- Diversify: Diversification of play styles will help you challenging yourself. Practice the technique and understand the songs you learn. Understand the context of the songs you love. BONUS: Performance is a form of practice: If you're passionate about guitar playing, playing in front of people that make you feel comfortable will help you practicing what performing in front of an audience feels like. Remember "the very best guitar in the world is the one you're practicing on"
I tend to rotate thru my guitar collection when I practice. Im not sure why I do this, but I tend to feel that being proficient on several guitars helps me to be prepared to play any guitar and not just one favorite guitar. Any thoughts on this?
You guys really make excellent videos, I've watched a lot of your reviews, great stuff; informative and fun to watch. Chris, love your playing. Great tips in this video, all of which should be obvious but putting them all together and illustrating them as you did ... lightbulbs going on in my head. Almost a damn shame that I don't live in the US so I can't buy a guitar from you! :)
Hiya , thank you so much both . Really useful . I’ve practiced for quite a few years , but never really practised scales or had a lesson . I’ve probably got really bad technique . I tend to increase difficulty of songs to try to improve and probably takes me far longer this way . I just find practicing scales , metronome etc really boring and as an amateur , who plays just for playing songs I love . I think that’s maybe enough for me . Maybe two types of practice depending on what your goal is . Professionals who need a higher technical ability. Would love to learn how to create music through the guitar. I do struggle with that . Thank you so much for great videos x
Maybe consider creating some content on utube! I know from experience it’s a great way to show your stuff, even if you’re just getting going. I like to refer back to old videos, of songs mostly, so I can remember what I did and relearn it if I want. Good luck!
Well if my practice is not supposed to sound good, I was bloody amazing tonight. I managed to klunk every fret on my guitar tonight. At least I was consistant. I understand what you mean, I'm just frustrated. It will pass.
Hi guys. Another great video. Re the above, how about practice injuries??? Turning 60 this year. I started practicing regularly during covid-19's first wave. March 2020. 5 months on I started suffering tendonitis on my in my left (chord) hand wrist. The pain got so bad until I could not play anymore. I was told to stop playing until my wrist fully heals. It's taking so long. It's been another 5 months since. I tried to slowly practice again but after 10-15 mins, the old injury starts to burn again so I stop. I pick up the guitar again a few days later and it burns again. Any advice? 😀
I've been lucky enough to earn most of my livelihood from guitar including lots of teaching . My best tips would be.... 1. SET GOALS......what are you trying to achieve ? Break these down into sub-goals if necessary . Write them down so you don't forget and lose your direction . 2. MICRO PRACTISE.....do this a LOT . Practise the small chunks that you stumble on all the time , and not so much time on the bits that you CAN play . If you stumble on 2 beats , don't practise the whole bar , or , even worse , the whole line . By micro practising just those two beats , your practise will become more efficient and powerful. 3. SLOW AND ACCURATE practise is the most powerful at producing good results . Practising something wrong again and again doesn't usually work very well.......sometimes it doesn't work AT ALL . If you can't play it ACCURATELY.....SLOW DOWN . If you still can't play it accurately slow down AGAIN ......and again......there should be a speed at which you can nail it and thats the speed you should play it . If that speed is RIDICULOUSLY slow.......fine.....that's where you need to start......more speed will come over days or weeks . 4. BALANCE EFFICIENT HARD WORK WITH FUN . The most effective types of practice can get boring quite quickly .....so have fun as well . If you don't have fun , you'll probably quit . The balance of fun and efficiency varies from person to person , and for any one person , it varies day to day . Find your own balance.......no one else can find it for you . 5. MIRACULOUS PRACTISE . I've discovered , by chance , that working hard on a topic , for hours or maybe days , and then LEAVING THE TOPIC for days , or even weeks , has often produced rather amazing results . This has often happened when bashing away at the topic for AGES with unswerving dedication has produced NOTHING ! Can't claim to understand what happens during the resting period .......do more brain neurons grow ? Or more muscle fibres develop ? ........hmmm.......dunno......but if you try it you may wind up believing in miracles !
i got adhd and it’s extremely important that i make sure that 1. i make sure that i‘m absolutely not disturbed or distracted by anything or anyone. i‘m there for everybody in this household anytime, except when i practice music. and 2. i take breaks, i usually use 25 minutes sessions because when i’m in the zone i forget to drink, i get cramped, so get up, drink water, walk a few steps, let fresh air into the room and then get back into the next 25 minutes. otherwise i get out of my practice, tired, muscles hurting, no oxygen left in the room and mentally exhausted.
Great video, loved it, and as a longtime guitar player, so much resonated, including things and thoughts that happened today while playing. Took away a lot, thanks!
I’m really glad I watched this one. Sometimes we need to be reminded of the basics and structure as I did with eight of these tips. Three were sort of new to me, so I picked up additional benefit from those. And then there was mention of a hygrometer! A lot of us fail to think about the humidity levels around us as they relate to an instrument, so thanks for that. Lastly, I haven’t seen any videos or thoughts from you guys on the Tonewood Amp devices. Gimmick or useful?
I'm an older campfire strummer. I was practicing the other day and my 10 year old told me " dad you're getting better, you sound like a professional. " My heart melted, I was so happy. Then you tell me when I'm practicing I should sound bad. My heart turned to puppyshit.
You have to play through the songs you already know so you don’t forget them. So play away and enjoy! (But also work on improving and learning new stuff.) 😁
Don’t ever quit. Do whatever it takes to keep the habit of practicing. You will get better.
Many years ago I met and talked to one of my heroes Steve Earle I asked for song writing advice he said don't ever quit man just keep on singing your songs no matter what. Good advice.
As a beginner the “my wife tells me I sound terrible” really resonated with me LOL. After working all day and taking care of our toddler, the last 1-2 hours in the day are my practice time. I am now focusing on barre chords and alternate/crosspicking. Needless to say it does not sound great right now but I’ll get there!
Best feeling is to have your kid bop along to what your playing when you actually just sit to play what you know well. Even those 1-2 songs lol.
I just LOVE the chemistry between Chris and Cooper. Chris is the loud and proud super guitar geek, while Cooper is the cool smooth chill guitar dude.
Thank you! Finally someone's picking up on our quirky indie movie dynamic
I am about to be 45 and picked up the guitar 8 days ago. My teenage son has inspired me to learn to play. I have no previous musical experience, other than a triangle in children’s choir, and I wasn’t very good at it. I have really enjoyed trying to learn thus far and I really appreciate your insights you shared in this video. Please keep the good content coming!
How’s it coming, David? Are you a pro now?
57 and just beginning. It's going great. You're never too old 😇
Awesome David! Thanks for sharing. I haven't played for over 8 yrs. Trying to get back into it and most times I sound horrible, but will not stop.
I'm 55 and learning how to play guitar
That's awesome David, playing music is amazing!! I hope you keep rocking out and improving your guitar playing !!
That first tip is so good. I didn’t realize I play songs I already know all the time and don’t practice new stuff enough.
Been playing since 1972. COVID shut down my 6 day a week volunteer sessions so I thought I'd take on-line lessons to keep growing in guitar. TrueFire didn't work for me but Tony's Acoustic Challenge (Acoustic Tuesday) did. I converted the spare bedroom to guitar room with 2 guitar stands, humidifier, music stand & other stuff they talk about. It's also the morning & evening prayer room (with guitar accompaniment). TAC gives me a lesson 5 days a week, things I never would have tried, techniques I can add to my existing song collection, and when I struggle, some hints and encouragement. Almost as good as Chris & Cooper. Now instead of playing at nursing homes, assisted living & memory care, I phone some of them (they don't zoom or internet). Thanks Chris & Cooper
I liked the 10 practice pitfalls And will apply them. the last comment you made about the nursing homes is great . We used to do that quite often until covid came along. We will start back when we are allowed. It is so important. They feel so forgotten. God bless all who visit them and proforms for them.
The visualization of recording a piece can really help with "discipline". Just imagine the frustration of recording something that's not well rehearsed. Four years ago I never would have thought I'd be qualified to comment....nor would I have imagined any scenario where I'd be uploading videos of my playing of both piano and guitar. I suggest that if you have any doubts about your capacity to progress.....dismiss them now if you want to learn an instrument. Never compare yourself to anyone. Commit to getting good. Forget about what others think - especially your family. Steal time responsibly from other aspects of your life without guilt because - you deserve joy!
Best tip ever- practice to a backing track, click track, metronome, etc.. always practice musically.
As a personal trainer, I always adopt the same philosophy to improving my guitar playing as I do with trying to improve my fitness. That is SMARTER goal setting...
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Achievable
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Larry Greenberg in NYC (no relationship to Cooper). In NYC and surviving COVID with you two. Great inspiration to practice. Cant wait to visit one day!
This duo always makes me giggle. It must be the contrast in their hair. Anyway, I completely agree with the bit about keeping an open mind. The other day I was playing with what for me was an unusual chord shape. I accidentally hit the wrong strings, but those notes turned out to be perfect leading notes to the next chord. I now play them deliberately and they sound great. And I can pretend I knew what I was doing all the while.
The last thing you said about playing for nursing homes,, sparked something in me to set a goal,, thanks that was a golden nugget for me..
I’ve been playing for almost 50 years, several instruments and many bands and styles. I must be the exception, but to this day I love playing with.a metronome. It does really help you work with learning tunes and techniques very quickly. I also have no issue playing slow, which a lot of people have problems with, but I find that one of the best uses of a metronome is to push your playing speed far beyond what the tune calls for (I play Bluegrass mostly now). That makes playing at the normal speed much more effortless, especially when playing live, or playing in jams with people who are at a level higher than my own. I see others use a metronome and tend to chase it. Best to just treat a metronome like they are another player you are playing along with, and just groove with it.
Yes. Challenging, so we can reach the feeling of accomplishment. It takes commitment and I must admit (5 years of playing, I'm 60, so late start) accepting dull days can occur and frustration too, it's part of the deal!
Thanks Chris and Cooper 👍🎶🎶🎶
Even though I'm not a complete beginner to guitar, I like watching these kind of vids cuz they help me to not become lazy n also to break bad habits. These rules are the kick in the butt that I need every so often. Much appreciated it dudes ✌🎃🤘
Thanks for your advices, I’ll try to practice from many of your suggestions. Now, I’m realized that practicing while watching TV is not a good habit.🎶🎸
Seen your channel only recently, first I thought a music shop, advice on guitars, then I found your Top 10 tips to get better player: it was awsome! I'm 70 and just retired, I've been playing for over 50 years, just from time to time, now I'm gonna start from the beginning like a student, gathering all I've learnt and trying and improve step by step the way you show. Thank you for your lesson so useful and so well given, and specially for your conclusion which I deeply share: music is made to be shared, not only technique but the soul in it. Great job guys! It would be nice a video with you playing as a duo. See you next time. Cheers
Thank you for this! I am 63 years old and am just starting my guitar journey. I have never played an instrument of any kind. I have been very confused on the best way to practice. This will be a big help.
Don’t give up, brother! I started when I turned 50. My best tip, practice musically, always. That is, practice to a backing track or metronome.
Keep pushing!! 65 here started 4 yrs ago! Struggled at first, getting better and having a lot of fun!
You can do it!
Beat ya, I'm 69
I'm with you. Starting at 58.
I’m only 62 but when I grow up I want to play as well as Cooper.
Wow! You guys hit the nail on the head! Picked up a Cigar Box Guitar 5 weeks ago. The headstock is the same width as the fretboard to no way to easily hang it. My wife kept putting it on the fireplace mantle which was only 10 feet from my desk - but when I began resting it in the trash can next my desk to keep it from falling over, I find myself picking it up 15 times a day practicing new licks... compared to every other day playing it. Last week I moved my Martin martin to a floor stand on the other side of my desk, and now I'm grabbing that once or twice a day instead of once or twice a week! 😀
I made the mistake of practicing while sitting on the floor-actually a Japanese sort of recliner with no legs-while playing guitar for a couple of months. My fingers started going numb and I had ulnar nerve damage. As soon as I went back to sitting in a proper chair, the problem went away.
Total agreement about having my instrument out all the time and deciding when I’m actually going to practice. My routine is that I sit where I’m going to practice, everything is set up, so I might pick up the guitar any time at all and just noodle or test myself on a technique or tune I’m working on to see if I’ve got it while, for example, a commercial is on or I’m watching the news; but then I plan the remainder of the day, including meals, exercise, errands, and from what time to what time I am exclusively practicing guitar.
What you said about making mistakes in practice versus performing, when I was a student at Berklee-on sax-one of the things even the absolute top musicians would do is go to open jam nights at bars and clubs. I used to go to a little place in the South End where there would be about twenty horn players lined up to play bebop. A good number of the players in that line were already Grammy winners, and part of the reason they were so great was because this is what they did for practice. Not only is the audience nose to nose with you, but they’re other musicians, so you have hundreds of reasons to be nervous in that situation.
Back then I had terrible anxiety about performing live. I was mostly a studio musician. But now on guitar-only two years and three months so far-what I’ve been doing is live performances on social media and very often taking my guitar or ukulele in a gig bag with a mini amp and playing in a public area like a park or more often the shopping area near me. Just sit on a bench and practice or play. I’ve actually become locally famous for this; people actually applaud sometimes or bring me beer. Especially during the pandemic, when everything was cancelled, people were so starved for entertainment that they became desperate enough to enjoy my playing.
The first time was really hilarious though. I was playing in a park, nobody around I thought, did my thing and then behind me, applause! A group of people had formed an audience as they were just walking by.
Justin Guitar made a great comment about learning techniques, scales, and so forth. He says a big mistake a lot of people make is memorizing scales and techniques they don’t actually need yet, and so they never really master that material and typically forget it, so when they actually do need it then they have to relearn it again. That is easily the biggest mistake I made on sax. So yeah, again, total agreement about how it goes hand in hand to learn tunes and the techniques required to play them. When I struggled to learn how to play barre chords for example, someone had a great suggestion that I used to learn a song with one bar chord in it to just get used to it. I did ‘Wild Horses’ by the Rolling Stones, and ever since I’ve had no problem with barre chords.
I needed this video so bad right now. I get in a rut not feeling like practicing or playing, waiting for a blast of inspiration like a surfer waiting for a wave. When I do get motivated, it's from hearing a song or watching a video performance, go to a subscription website I belong to and work on it. Learning is funny. A year ago my right hand could only strum and flat-pick out a few chord notes. I thought I'd never learn to finger-pick. I tried from several videos, then give up. Maybe watching 5 different people show you how they do it isn't good? Then one day I'm just doing it, like the info finally went from my brain to my fingers. Please do more videos like these. The improvs from the store were hilarious.
Hello from Canada! Love your videos! I've been playing for a little over a year and allways feel im way behind where I should be. I'm 40, not a musical bone in my body so its been a labor of discipline. I laughed when you mentioned watching these 10 y/o kids that play amazingly.
This is like golf, your playing against yourself, and I love it! Thanks for all the great videos, I bought a K24ce because I'd seen it here and its amazing. Keep up the great work!
My wife asked me last night why she hasn't heard me practice in a while. I told her I've been practicing every day, but I can barely listen to it, let alone subject her to my fumbling. I also find I'm so self conscious of what others might hear that I'm way worse if someone else is in the room. If I can't see anyone, I don't grimace with every mistake, so I make fewer mistakes. At least my wife is really supportive, so I doubt she'd ever tell me I sound awful. She knows me well enough to know I'm telling myself that!
On the subject of recording yourself: I do it once a month with a video. It's hard to see how much progress you are making because it's so incremental. But if you record yourself once a month you can go back to see how far you've come which is really great for confidence to show that you ARE progressing even if you don't feel it on any given day. I also find that it shows me how I'm playing so I can improve my technique and also makes me realise I didn't sound as bad as I thought when I was playing it at the time!
I do this also and it's amazing and encouraging to see how much I have improved. I began recording because I wanted to see if I looked cool lol or looked like I was struggling when I played and when I went back later I realized the value of recording progress. I always see more progress on the recording that I am thinking in my head. That is rewarding.
Great list! After reading the replies, at 62, I can see I am not alone in taking up the guitar late in life. I try to practice 5-10 minutes before going to work and love watching sports on tv while I practice. I know I am making progress when I can play a song or chord progression while watching golf! I see golf and playing guitar the same. Once in a while I will sink a 30 foot putt just like Tiger, and once in a while I will play a G cord just like Jimmy Hendrix.
You two are awesome. I’m watching with my first cup of coffee and laughing out loud at Cooper’s skits. What a wonderful way to start my day. OBTW, great tips for a beginning guitarist.
Very informative video about practice tips. I began a guitar class four months ago. I was impressed with Lauren Bateman here on UA-cam. I had been watching music videos-primarily people playing guitar…I thought to myself maybe playing guitar would keep my mind active-I will be 78 in October. Lauren mentioned she had a 90 year old in her guitar classes and was patient with older folks and that caught my attention. Anyway, I bought her seven step program. I am really pleased with my progress…incidentally she highly stresses using a metronome. I use mine all the time. I have my guitar out and practice daily…thanks to you I will start recording myself. Oh by the way I’m getting a new Taylor from your store for my birthday 🎂. Happy birthday to me!
9:34 i do remember while reading that book, i realized that the reason why i stopped practising was because i had to store my guitar somewhere not very reachable and i just got sick of taking it out and putting it back.
one of the first things i tell all my students: get a guitar stand and put the guitar so that you can reach it from the place where you spend the most time of the day without having to get up to get it. if you spend the next days at your desk or if you chill all weekend in bed: take the guitar with you. i promise you that you will play more and practice more. i own multiple guitars and they are spread all around the apartment except for the bathroom. if i owned a carbon fiber guitar it would probably live there.
I’m going to start practicing once my 224ce arrives. 🤪 For now, I’m just going to binge watch your videos.
Same here but waiting on my FG830
Taylor academy 12 is getting here today
Thank you so much! A lot of good tips in this video. I am struggling but enjoying it! I don’t think I ever said that before. I play for myself. The fingers stiffen and other issues, but I see improvement, maybe almost imperceptible, but it’s there. I have guitars out on stands and my wife bought me a music stand. My time, believe it or not, is 11 p.m. The metronome and foot tapping are still beyond me, but maybe I’ll get there. Best, Barry
Great tips! I've been playing for 30+ years and feel I'm still only knee-deep in the pond. When I get cocky I just watch guys like Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Jeff Beck or Eddie V (or that 10 year old kid). SO much to learn and then enough practice to transfer control from the head to the hands. Wish the internet were ubiquitous in 1987 when I started (at least in some ways). Thanks for all the work, guys.
These are all fantastic tips. Some of which was nice to be reminded of
About keeping instruments out. I do that in seasons where the humidity is appropriate, but I really don’t like the sound of cheap or mini guitars. Your point about creating a time and space for practice is good, and I find that when my expensive Martins are in a case, that my reserved time gets used well as pulling the instrument out of the case puts me in focus mindset. It’s like a switch that says, the guitar is out, it’s now time to be serious about playing. Once I put it back, my session is done, and I’m back to my other routines. I also find that it’s good to have some sessions where you don’t practice, and just enjoy playing tunes well.
Thank you...watching you listening to you both really makes me realize I don’t practice enough. I’m at the discouraged point and I’m trying to move past that.
Sometimes we just need encouragement, inspiration and a plan. People are unproductive because they are lazy. People are often unproductive because they lack clarity. Find your plan and you will find your way. ;) - Chris
Great, insightful, practical video! Thank you for sharing. I currently take guitar lessons. The focus seems to be strictly learning songs which I’m okay with because I’ve grown as a player as a result. Some songs, that have been beyond my skill level, I’ve wrestled with time and time again (for weeks and months), and unfortunately, I abandoned them because I just couldn’t get them. In fact, I can’t even listen to one particular song because the associated memories are more of failure than joy. I realize that this is 100% counterproductive and counterintuitive. I wanted to take guitar lessons so that I could learn the guitar. Understanding the guitar, for me, is elusive. I’d like to understand the fretboard. I’d like to learn “techniques” and skills that you’ve talked about in this video. I might kinda know a few more songs, but I’m still in the dark when it comes to understanding the incredible instrument that I enjoy playing. I love music, but I’m facing a big dilemma about fulfilling my goal of “learning to play the guitar”. Thanks again for the excellent tips on practising.
Been playing for 58 years (go figure). I really enjoyed your video, I know all those pitfalls haha (and never got discouraged).Now this is something I believe: Rise to the occasion. I mean, if the talent is there (IF THE TALENT !!!) it will show fast, and gets even better when challenged.If the Stones would have stayed a blues band with their regular Sunday night at the Richmond Hotel or something, they would have been a very nice , very tight blues band but not the greatest rock'nroll band in history.I believe in before, and beyond the magic point, after which it has become music.
I’ve really grown to enjoy these vids, especially bc I never feel as if they’re only here to sell us something. Here are two genuine musicians who seem to enjoy sharing instruments, ideas, and music with us. Also, what are the details on those lights behind you?
Are these two twins with a very different hirsuteness? Really enjoyed this video. A lot of real truths gently put. The last few minutes are golden advice
I was gonna practice then I ended up watching you guys on the internet. D'oh! But seriously, I enjoy them. Good job.
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I normally don't comment amd I know this is an "old" video, but! I love the encouragement to play for an old folks home. Y'all got me right there. Have been an Alamo music center UA-cam fan for a while. Love all your videos but this one gets a pin to the tip of my list. I'll watch this every time I get in a rut! Thanks guys!!!
Love them together they are funny and at the same time very informative. When one starts giggly the other is serious especially I call him sneezy. He called himself that because of his allergies. Great channel.
THANK YOU so much for the videos you guys put out! just bought my first acoustic ever...A Taylor 214ce Grand Auditorium. And I’ve been learning so much from your videos! Keep those videos coming guys!...I’m really enjoying them! 👍😎👍
Leaving the guitar out and on a stand I do.. I sound terrible so that's great also... struggling with bowies space odditiefor years now... bunch of great advice... thanks !
Thank you for the tips. What I have been doing is trying to figure out practice. I have owned a guitar for 10+ years and dabbled. But now I got a new guitar but felt like I didn’t know what to do. So I use SimplyGuitar and just started taking in person lessons just over a month and half ago. I enjoy it but been struggling on how to practice as basically a beginner. Thank you for the helpful tips.
Such a fantastic video! This has so much applicability beyond guitar playing/practicing. Thank you!
Great talk, terrific tips. Love the work you guys put into this - you’re really one of the best channels out there 🙌
i'm just starting after starting 4 times before in my life, I'm working on memorizing the fret board, and my first couple chords.
i downloaded a fret and chord pdf to look at, and spending 15 minutes a day on that till i move on
Best points i heard here was Dont put your instruments away . also play with a timer of some kind . metronomes and drum machines are great but also play along with a radio station because you have to play random songs instead of your faves .
Thanks for tips I'm 50 years old work a lot and just picked up the guitar about a year ago still suck,and can't play a song I know chords but get frustrated because not learning quickly, so I move on to another then another another, but I will use your advice and learn at least 1 dam song
GREAT job, guys! We need a poster to hang on the wall in our practice space to remind us constantly of these sterling principles. My buddy, Elvis, who grew up just around the corner here in Tupelo, MS would say "Thank ya. Thank ya vurry much!" Y'all come!
I love Cooper’s video examples!
Enjoyed the video. I was surprised at how much of this I am doing and how much I need to change to make practice better. Starting tomorrow I will set a practice time every day for the same time. Laundry and other chores can wait. I appreciate my teacher even more after this video.
Hi guys, instead of using a metronome, I use garageband to put a percussion track down for timing while practicing, it's more fun and a real backing sound.
You guys are The Best.!! Thanks for everything and your advice.
PlAying in a nursing home, best message I learned thank you 🙏 both inspiring keep up the great work
They would run me out of there if I did that. 🤣
In my very limited experience the most important thing is to finish a practice task by doing it correctly… maybe I have to do it super painfully slow, but I find that finishing by doing it right I tend to come back to the next session being able to do it better. It’s a weird thing and I cannot explain it, but it works for me.
I just discovered your channel recently. I could watch you guys all day! Great info with humor.
1- Practice, don't perform: If it sounds good you're not really practicing, you're just playing. Make sure you're challenging yourself.
2- Have a plan: When you practice, make sure you know what you're going to work on (song, technique, etc.). Have a goal.
3- Set a time, set a place: It makes that time something to look forward to. Helps remove distractions during practice time. timing.
4- Use a metronome: Use a metronome to improve your playing time.
5- Keep your instrument available and out: Having your instument available you're more likely to have the habit of practicing regularly.
6- Focus: Avoid all distractions during practice time (phone, TV, internet, etc).
7- Be open to creating while practicing: Take adtantage of new ideas that may arise during practice time. Embrace the "happy accidents", the moments of creative genius.
8- Be patient with yourself: Don't be discouraged if something you're practicing is taking you a long time. Sit on your progress, keep it personal, and be patient before performing for an audience.
9- Record yourself and listen back: Audio and/or video, if you record yourself you may find multiple things you need to improve and things that you like about your guitar playing.
10- Diversify: Diversification of play styles will help you challenging yourself. Practice the technique and understand the songs you learn. Understand the context of the songs you love.
BONUS: Performance is a form of practice: If you're passionate about guitar playing, playing in front of people that make you feel comfortable will help you practicing what performing in front of an audience feels like.
Remember "the very best guitar in the world is the one you're practicing on"
A really valuable video for me. The “white bellbottoms” segment was hilarious, too! Thanks, fellows.
I tend to rotate thru my guitar collection when I practice. Im not sure why I do this, but I tend to feel that being proficient on several guitars helps me to be prepared to play any guitar and not just one favorite guitar. Any thoughts on this?
I love this video - good mix of real info and some humor to keep it engaging
Chris, how do you balance keeping a guitar out for accessibility versus keeping it in the case to control humidity?
You guys really make excellent videos, I've watched a lot of your reviews, great stuff; informative and fun to watch. Chris, love your playing. Great tips in this video, all of which should be obvious but putting them all together and illustrating them as you did ... lightbulbs going on in my head. Almost a damn shame that I don't live in the US so I can't buy a guitar from you! :)
Meant to add two of the best on YT for music my humble opinion!!!
You guys are just exceptional! I hope they pay you enough! Cheers
Also I try and learn by watching favorite artist play and sound it out by ear
Such good advice. I catch myself getting distracted when trying to practice all the time.
Hiya , thank you so much both . Really useful . I’ve practiced for quite a few years , but never really practised scales or had a lesson . I’ve probably got really bad technique . I tend to increase difficulty of songs to try to improve and probably takes me far longer this way . I just find practicing scales , metronome etc really boring and as an amateur , who plays just for playing songs I love . I think that’s maybe enough for me . Maybe two types of practice depending on what your goal is . Professionals who need a higher technical ability. Would love to learn how to create music through the guitar. I do struggle with that . Thank you so much for great videos x
Really informative and wise. Thank you 👍
LOVE the Iverson intro (can't believe no one else noted this!!)... oh, the tips are helpful too! :-)
Maybe consider creating some content on utube! I know from experience it’s a great way to show your stuff, even if you’re just getting going. I like to refer back to old videos, of songs mostly, so I can remember what I did and relearn it if I want. Good luck!
Great video and creative ideas on practicing. You two go well together. I plan on visiting the store in my next SA trip. Looking forward to this 👍
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Great presentation! Good advice and hilarious little vignettes peppered throughout! Love it!
Thanks 🙏🏼 for the great advice
Very enjoyable and useful- well done fellas.
That great bit at the end was extremely funny. Love it!
What a great session guys. I completely enjoyed this video and came away with great knowledge and a roadmap for my guitar practice. Thank you.
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Well if my practice is not supposed to sound good, I was bloody amazing tonight. I managed to klunk every fret on my guitar tonight. At least I was consistant. I understand what you mean, I'm just frustrated. It will pass.
Thanks for valuable video gentlemens! Great job. I'm looking forward to start learning guitar. I have some piano experience.
I skipped the metronome by getting a drummer with great meter, lol (and playing along with the original songs). Love the vids guys :)
Hi guys. Another great video. Re the above, how about practice injuries??? Turning 60 this year. I started practicing regularly during covid-19's first wave. March 2020. 5 months on I started suffering tendonitis on my in my left (chord) hand wrist. The pain got so bad until I could not play anymore. I was told to stop playing until my wrist fully heals. It's taking so long. It's been another 5 months since. I tried to slowly practice again but after 10-15 mins, the old injury starts to burn again so I stop. I pick up the guitar again a few days later and it burns again. Any advice? 😀
Thanks guys, some great ideas for sure.
Thank you so much, best tips and encouraging. Appreciate that, greetings from Germany.
I've been lucky enough to earn most of my livelihood from guitar including lots of teaching . My best tips would be....
1. SET GOALS......what are you trying to achieve ? Break these down into sub-goals if necessary . Write them down so you don't forget and lose your direction .
2. MICRO PRACTISE.....do this a LOT . Practise the small chunks that you stumble on all the time , and not so much time on the bits that you CAN play . If you stumble on 2 beats , don't practise the whole bar , or , even worse , the whole line . By micro practising just those two beats , your practise will become more efficient and powerful.
3. SLOW AND ACCURATE practise is the most powerful at producing good results . Practising something wrong again and again doesn't usually work very well.......sometimes it doesn't work AT ALL . If you can't play it ACCURATELY.....SLOW DOWN . If you still can't play it accurately slow down AGAIN ......and again......there should be a speed at which you can nail it and thats the speed you should play it . If that speed is RIDICULOUSLY slow.......fine.....that's where you need to start......more speed will come over days or weeks .
4. BALANCE EFFICIENT HARD WORK WITH FUN . The most effective types of practice can get boring quite quickly .....so have fun as well . If you don't have fun , you'll probably quit . The balance of fun and efficiency varies from person to person , and for any one person , it varies day to day . Find your own balance.......no one else can find it for you .
5. MIRACULOUS PRACTISE . I've discovered , by chance , that working hard on a topic , for hours or maybe days , and then LEAVING THE TOPIC for days , or even weeks , has often produced rather amazing results . This has often happened when bashing away at the topic for AGES with unswerving dedication has produced NOTHING ! Can't claim to understand what happens during the resting period .......do more brain neurons grow ? Or more muscle fibres develop ? ........hmmm.......dunno......but if you try it you may wind up believing in miracles !
i got adhd and it’s extremely important that i make sure that 1. i make sure that i‘m absolutely not disturbed or distracted by anything or anyone. i‘m there for everybody in this household anytime, except when i practice music. and 2. i take breaks, i usually use 25 minutes sessions because when i’m in the zone i forget to drink, i get cramped, so get up, drink water, walk a few steps, let fresh air into the room and then get back into the next 25 minutes. otherwise i get out of my practice, tired, muscles hurting, no oxygen left in the room and mentally exhausted.
Great video, loved it, and as a longtime guitar player, so much resonated, including things and thoughts that happened today while playing. Took away a lot, thanks!
The very first one made me think again about what all I've been doing all these years.
I’ve now plateaued after losing 147lbs from Keto. From 321lbs to 174lbs. Took 2 years.
Great job!
I’m really glad I watched this one. Sometimes we need to be reminded of the basics and structure as I did with eight of these tips. Three were sort of new to me, so I picked up additional benefit from those. And then there was mention of a hygrometer! A lot of us fail to think about the humidity levels around us as they relate to an instrument, so thanks for that. Lastly, I haven’t seen any videos or thoughts from you guys on the Tonewood Amp devices. Gimmick or useful?
I'm an older campfire strummer. I was practicing the other day and my 10 year old told me " dad you're getting better, you sound like a professional. " My heart melted, I was so happy. Then you tell me when I'm practicing I should sound bad. My heart turned to puppyshit.
You have to play through the songs you already know so you don’t forget them. So play away and enjoy! (But also work on improving and learning new stuff.) 😁
Great, insightful stuff!
Hey guys great video !! 🎸
Whats the metronome app that vibrates with apple watch ?
Liked it how about a video on at least 5 thing to do or remember when you are preforming
LOVE THE ALLEN IVERSON REFERENCE!
thx dudes for everything u do, u guys rock
thanks for your help