thanks!! Yeah I think people are a bit afraid of putting these top of the line chips in SFF because the 7950X was really power hungry and it was producing a lot of heat, this one is better and you can get away with a D9L, the D12L is easily keeping it cool, and maybe the AXP120 will work with a good fan? I should try it!
Thank’s for the vid. I order parts for very (exactly?) similar build. I have questions: - Can PSU be reverse and take air from the front mesh ? - Can i put the new Noctua 140 mn fan instead of the 120 as same place as you ? Maybe the circle one ? - For your ventirad, you take air from the back right ? Love your build, it’s mine but not in black.
Hey mate, thank you! - Psu can be reverse mounted but there will be more tension on the cable and it might prevent using the fan bracket on top, be careful of the orientation of the power port on the PSU. (plus the ugly side of the psu will be visible, it's not a huge problem to throw air out of the cpu cooler to the psu, the fan still doesn't spin the fan after hours of load so this specific psu for this system is overkill and is cooling passively). - you can definitely put two full 140mm fan on top, maybe you will have to offset a bit the bracket and lower one spacing more the motherboard to not be super tight. - yes the ventirad intake from the rear.
yes standard MB standoffs, it fits nicely, not pushing needed but it's mm clearance, like it was made for this case! Like gemstone said, no fan bracket on the side possible.
it's 96Gb 5600 CL45. The thing is, good modules of 48Gb / 6000+ CL36 barely don't exist and cost a fortune. Honestly I'm having very good perfs, but my workload as a 3D artist means I don't benefit a lot from faster ram but I need the capacity over the speed.
Tons of questions: How is the m.2 on the back of the motherboard Any coil whine from motherboard Any issues with noctua cooler clearance and case What is the thermal pad around the cpu Thanks !
Those crucial P3 can work passively, they don't need cooling it's just a gimmick of manufacturers. No coil whine from MB or GPU. No issues with the noctua clearance, it just fits perfectly, it doesn't push against the side panel, it's just mm precision.
Nicely done, but it looks a little empty. I wonder what this case could look like if someone did a dual 360 rad setup with the T30 fans. Maybe using the EK FLT3 120mm water waterblock.
That's true, there is ton of extra space. T30 are hard to find at a good price nowadays, but when I see a decent price i'll get my hands on them for sure!
Stock psu cables from corsair, it's the SF850 from 2024 (2024 edition). They include soft cables, ATX 12vhpwr cable. It's a bit more expensive but it's clean af.
Great case. It's a 100% what I would've gone with, if I hadn't decided to switch back to ATX for the 9800x3D + 5000 series combo. Went with the Antec Flux.
@@smallrtech MSI Mag X870 Tomahawk Wifi. Overkill in a sense, I would've been perfectly happy with the 100€ cheaper ASRock B650 Steel Legend, but once I decided I wanted USB4 all the other little extras X870 comes with, I felt this was the board to get. Also because it's been ages since I had a MSI board and I didn't feel like going with Asus or Gigabyte again. Good thing MSI just revamped their BIOS, as the old one was ... not great.
It would work, but I'd suggest if you want dual fans maybe get slim ones, you can fit dual 12x25 fans and a 3 slot gpu for sure, but lowering the motherboard will reduce the rear intake size for that gigantic air cooler and it will sit behind the structural metal beam of the rear panel reducing the airflow. Slim fans can easily fit on top using even less spacing that I use between the motherboard and the top of the case!
Can you please confirm whether i would be able to fit a 356mm 4090 in this exact config? i cant find any builds where a 356mm 4090 fit in this config.. i only see vertical builds.
The website says in the classic config like I did you can fit a GPU with those specs: 359mm long, 148mm tall, 4 slots Personally by looking at my build, I'd say that's true, but you definitely should get a SFX psu and the grater NCASE so no front I/O.
I'm looking to transfer my main pc from a fractal terra to the M2 and I want to add 2x280 rads (top-bottom) or if they fit 3x280 (also side mount) because it's listed as "doable" in their site..
You should get in contact with them, it should be included with the flatpack Ncase M2 grater. The regular M2 has front IO so you don't get the rear switch.
tricky to answer, definitely something I want to try. The radiator would also fit on the side maximizing compatibility but it's not aesthetically great. GPU compatibility will be the issue with the AIO on top.. maybe with slim fans (but they are not great for SP use sadly). I'll definitely try this one in the future.
Thanks! Seems like you either need a slimmer GPU, and slimmer radiator combo. Or a shorter GPU to fit the radiator on the side. Any way, great build and great video!
I did that build using NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB. However, I had to go with a vertical mount on the 4080 Super with a riser cable, could only fit 1 120mm fan at the bottom. I pivoted on the build just to see if I could get better thermals and did a side mount AIO solution. Because I am using a mini-ITX and SFX PSU, I was able to get enough clearance at the top for 2 120MM fans. I could not mount the fans to a fan bracket since the clearance was not enough. I have them positioned such that they do not move once the top panel is in place. Kind of a hack (OK, total hack), but it works. The thermals on the CPU improved from my previous build. Very happy with this build and plan on leaving it alone until the next shiny object hits like a new CPU or GPU that I just can't resist throwing money at.🤣
2x48gb micron modules were very hard to find in 6000 and the price is still extremely high, I do have 2x32Gb samsung modules 6000 but I experience too long training time during startup and that's annoying, so for now i'm sticking with these modules until the crucial pro 6000 gets a better price. Capacity is good and that's the most important for my workload.
AFAIK the crucial pro kits are JEDEC compliant... so they should run stable at low voltages without EXPO and OC stuff. I ordered them as a 64GB kit for this reason (but wasn't able to build yet) . With otherwise powerful cpu/gpu components, for me it doesn't matter to gain a few percents more due to overclocking. I would always prefer stability.
If you're looking to prioritize GPU thermals, the top layout is certainly a better option. My workloads are primarily CPU-centric, which is why I opted for this configuration. That said, the GPU thermals on the bottom are still quite good (see the end of the video).
@@smallrtechwhere will you be adding the additional fan? All space seem to be occupied already. And perhaps a silly question, which is the air flow direction of the PSU in this orientation? Thanks in advance
@@Heisehui in this configuration, another 5 fans are possible: 2x 120mm fans between the mobo and PSU (mounted in the mobo tray exhausting towards the side panel), 2x slim 120mm fans at the bottom, and another 120mm fan at the top if the mobo/gpu were shifted down a few notches. This classic orientation supports 9 fans (8x 120mm and 1x 92mm) The PSU is intaking from inside the case and exhausting up top.
Dust protection is literally pointless and just limits airflow. If it ever becomes a problem just use a blower to clean it while holding the fans every few months.
Its more matx kinda case, but it is small form factor in the sense of smaller than full towers and middle tower cases ect, its just big enough to fit a matx motherboard, and a 4090, its not really any bigger than that. So top preformance in a smaller form factor, not smallest, but still small
I agree without agreeing, it's definitely not "a 2024" SFF, especially with the current standards where sub 10L cases can fit crazy stuff, but it's the smallest case that can fits ATX components inside.... Ncase are made to last and that compatibility decision is to my taste very good just for that reason. But i agree with you, let's call it SFF-L, like the psu's lol.
Sub 20L is SFF. This is 15.6. The Fractal Era 2 which many consider SFF (can only fit ITX parts) is 4 liters bigger than the M2. Just because the M2 can fit larger parts doesn't make it any less of an SFF case. It just means its internal layout is well optimized.
Awesome clean build and I love the cinematic quality of the video. Very inspiring!
@@NeuralVoidSolutions thanks mate!
Im just in love with this NCASE M2
Finally know where the power bottom is on the grater case. Thanks for sharing. Nice build.😮
Thanks mate! In the end it's not that bad, you just need to have your computer sitting on the right of your desk.
This build is the most straightforward and explains a lot of decisions by makers
what an amazing build, cant wait to get my silver grater too
I still cannot decide between an angled and a rounded version. Amazing quality of the video! Thanks for sharing your build experience!
I'd go rounded!
Clean build ! It looks like the Lian Li A3 in shape.
Awesome build and very pleasing editing
Nice job
Such a clean build bro I love it
Thanks mate!!
Love the clean looking charts. Dope video!
Thanks!!
just ordered mine! I cant wait
This is a nice space heater for the cold winter. A fan cooled AMD 9950X.
Enjoy your build man! Looks great
@@stnhm0004 cheers!
Amazing built, finally someone using 9950x in small form factor. 👍🏻
thanks!! Yeah I think people are a bit afraid of putting these top of the line chips in SFF because the 7950X was really power hungry and it was producing a lot of heat, this one is better and you can get away with a D9L, the D12L is easily keeping it cool, and maybe the AXP120 will work with a good fan? I should try it!
@smallrtech no worries, winter is coming.
Am5 installation is so chill
Very impressive! Nice work and great video. Thanks!
@@eugenethompson 🙏🙏
dope build and excellent video
Thanks mate!
Sweet build, loving the wave tunes.
Thanks!!
4070 Ti Super ProArt gang, this thing is awesome
Always love SFF cases that support massive air cooler towers such as this and Deepcool CH160 ! How much for this case by the way ?
Im about to build in mine here soon. Waiting on my last parts to arrive. Nice job.
Enjoy man, it's really a nice case to build in! Thanks!
Perfection!!! i dig the build 🔥
Thanks!!
just a question with the NH-D12L does it bludge out when you put the side panels on, like its the limit for the air cooling height
Thank’s for the vid. I order parts for very (exactly?) similar build. I have questions:
- Can PSU be reverse and take air from the front mesh ?
- Can i put the new Noctua 140 mn fan instead of the 120 as same place as you ? Maybe the circle one ?
- For your ventirad, you take air from the back right ?
Love your build, it’s mine but not in black.
Hey mate, thank you!
- Psu can be reverse mounted but there will be more tension on the cable and it might prevent using the fan bracket on top, be careful of the orientation of the power port on the PSU. (plus the ugly side of the psu will be visible, it's not a huge problem to throw air out of the cpu cooler to the psu, the fan still doesn't spin the fan after hours of load so this specific psu for this system is overkill and is cooling passively).
- you can definitely put two full 140mm fan on top, maybe you will have to offset a bit the bracket and lower one spacing more the motherboard to not be super tight.
- yes the ventirad intake from the rear.
Thank’s m8
hey! did you use left or right angled for the power supply inlet cable? i also love the build!
how is the fit on d12l? Many seem to say it touches/bulges a bit on the side panel. Are you using standard MB standoffs?
Yes it barely fits, and you are unable to insert an additional fan/aio bracket above the CPU cooler if you go with something this tall
yes standard MB standoffs, it fits nicely, not pushing needed but it's mm clearance, like it was made for this case! Like gemstone said, no fan bracket on the side possible.
What CL is your ram? I was thinking od getting A 64gb of 5600 cl46 ramn for my build. But ive been told thats bad and I should go for 6000+ CL36-
it's 96Gb 5600 CL45. The thing is, good modules of 48Gb / 6000+ CL36 barely don't exist and cost a fortune. Honestly I'm having very good perfs, but my workload as a 3D artist means I don't benefit a lot from faster ram but I need the capacity over the speed.
@smallrtech yh mine is for 3d as well, houdini mainly. Was gonna get this exact set but 64gb.
Tons of questions:
How is the m.2 on the back of the motherboard
Any coil whine from motherboard
Any issues with noctua cooler clearance and case
What is the thermal pad around the cpu
Thanks !
Those crucial P3 can work passively, they don't need cooling it's just a gimmick of manufacturers.
No coil whine from MB or GPU.
No issues with the noctua clearance, it just fits perfectly, it doesn't push against the side panel, it's just mm precision.
Nicely done, but it looks a little empty. I wonder what this case could look like if someone did a dual 360 rad setup with the T30 fans. Maybe using the EK FLT3 120mm water waterblock.
That's true, there is ton of extra space. T30 are hard to find at a good price nowadays, but when I see a decent price i'll get my hands on them for sure!
What were the cables used for the psu ? (I dont think thats the stock Psu cabels from corsair.
Stock psu cables from corsair, it's the SF850 from 2024 (2024 edition). They include soft cables, ATX 12vhpwr cable. It's a bit more expensive but it's clean af.
@ thanks for the update.
Great case. It's a 100% what I would've gone with, if I hadn't decided to switch back to ATX for the 9800x3D + 5000 series combo. Went with the Antec Flux.
ahah antec flux is a very good choice too! Which mb did you chose ?
@@smallrtech MSI Mag X870 Tomahawk Wifi. Overkill in a sense, I would've been perfectly happy with the 100€ cheaper ASRock B650 Steel Legend, but once I decided I wanted USB4 all the other little extras X870 comes with, I felt this was the board to get. Also because it's been ages since I had a MSI board and I didn't feel like going with Asus or Gigabyte again. Good thing MSI just revamped their BIOS, as the old one was ... not great.
This is very similar to the build I want to do! Would this work with a 4080 or 4090 and an extra fan on top?
It would work, but I'd suggest if you want dual fans maybe get slim ones, you can fit dual 12x25 fans and a 3 slot gpu for sure, but lowering the motherboard will reduce the rear intake size for that gigantic air cooler and it will sit behind the structural metal beam of the rear panel reducing the airflow. Slim fans can easily fit on top using even less spacing that I use between the motherboard and the top of the case!
are these custom PSU cables? if yes, which ones and what length?
Can you please confirm whether i would be able to fit a 356mm 4090 in this exact config? i cant find any builds where a 356mm 4090 fit in this config.. i only see vertical builds.
The website says in the classic config like I did you can fit a GPU with those specs: 359mm long, 148mm tall, 4 slots
Personally by looking at my build, I'd say that's true, but you definitely should get a SFX psu and the grater NCASE so no front I/O.
I is it possible to place 2 120x25 mm fans at the bottom below the gpu and two at the top?
Would you be able to mount the psu next to the mobo, and still have top fans?
you can, you will have to lower the psu height though.
i have basically the same build, does something in ur PC buzz when u play games? like eletrical buzz not fan
It's absolutely silent, did you manage to find from which component that buzz is coming from ?
Likely coil whine from your GPU or PSU
Coil whine , totally normal specially with AMD gpus
@@Basilahi nah all brands get it, it's just silicone lottery. I've had many AMD and Nvidia GPUs over the years and majority of them have it
@ sure they do but i have noticed it with AMD gpus more than nvidia’s
Did you buy the extra fan/rad bracket in order to have fans also at the top OR did that come out of the box ?
I'm looking to transfer my main pc from a fractal terra to the M2 and I want to add 2x280 rads (top-bottom) or if they fit 3x280 (also side mount) because it's listed as "doable" in their site..
One fan bracket is included, I did not added any extra parts except the flat packed case in this build.
@@smallrtech ah so 1 bracket included and the one is the bottom side. got it.. so for a 3-rad setup, you only need to add 1 extra fan bracket. Thanks!
Wherer did you get the switch on the back panel from? I didn't get one with my case and couldn't see any 3D files for it.
You should get in contact with them, it should be included with the flatpack Ncase M2 grater. The regular M2 has front IO so you don't get the rear switch.
Do you think there is room to move GPU and MOBO lower to fit an AIO radiator ?
tricky to answer, definitely something I want to try. The radiator would also fit on the side maximizing compatibility but it's not aesthetically great.
GPU compatibility will be the issue with the AIO on top.. maybe with slim fans (but they are not great for SP use sadly). I'll definitely try this one in the future.
Thanks! Seems like you either need a slimmer GPU, and slimmer radiator combo. Or a shorter GPU to fit the radiator on the side. Any way, great build and great video!
I did that build using NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB. However, I had to go with a vertical mount on the 4080 Super with a riser cable, could only fit 1 120mm fan at the bottom. I pivoted on the build just to see if I could get better thermals and did a side mount AIO solution. Because I am using a mini-ITX and SFX PSU, I was able to get enough clearance at the top for 2 120MM fans. I could not mount the fans to a fan bracket since the clearance was not enough. I have them positioned such that they do not move once the top panel is in place. Kind of a hack (OK, total hack), but it works. The thermals on the CPU improved from my previous build. Very happy with this build and plan on leaving it alone until the next shiny object hits like a new CPU or GPU that I just can't resist throwing money at.🤣
Is it fine to use air coolers instead of an AIO for a build in this case? 7800x3d and 4090
Air coolers are always fine, this case can fit big ones too!
Work with cable managment
Why 5600MHz ram and what CL. it is? 6000MHz CL.30 is the best to go or 8000MHz CL.38
2x48gb micron modules were very hard to find in 6000 and the price is still extremely high, I do have 2x32Gb samsung modules 6000 but I experience too long training time during startup and that's annoying, so for now i'm sticking with these modules until the crucial pro 6000 gets a better price. Capacity is good and that's the most important for my workload.
AFAIK the crucial pro kits are JEDEC compliant... so they should run stable at low voltages without EXPO and OC stuff. I ordered them as a 64GB kit for this reason (but wasn't able to build yet) . With otherwise powerful cpu/gpu components, for me it doesn't matter to gain a few percents more due to overclocking. I would always prefer stability.
So close to ordering , but for me to get the correct parts is impossible , they literally NEVER have the parts I need to complete the build
W
what’s the total cost?
about 2250$us total
how are the temperatures?
Stick till the end 😊
Gpu on bottom better than top ?
Certainly not, putting it on the bottom is an aesthetic decision
@@gemstone7818 thanks for clarifying !
@@MrRambee no problem
If you're looking to prioritize GPU thermals, the top layout is certainly a better option. My workloads are primarily CPU-centric, which is why I opted for this configuration. That said, the GPU thermals on the bottom are still quite good (see the end of the video).
I feel there could be mroe fans but i know myself even a few sufice
yes ahah, I only have one noctua 12x25 chromax, I would have used two if I had two lol.
@@smallrtechwhere will you be adding the additional fan? All space seem to be occupied already. And perhaps a silly question, which is the air flow direction of the PSU in this orientation? Thanks in advance
@@Heisehui in this configuration, another 5 fans are possible: 2x 120mm fans between the mobo and PSU (mounted in the mobo tray exhausting towards the side panel), 2x slim 120mm fans at the bottom, and another 120mm fan at the top if the mobo/gpu were shifted down a few notches. This classic orientation supports 9 fans (8x 120mm and 1x 92mm)
The PSU is intaking from inside the case and exhausting up top.
how much
about 2250$us total
No dust protection???????
Not in an itx sub 11l build lol
Dust protection is literally pointless and just limits airflow. If it ever becomes a problem just use a blower to clean it while holding the fans every few months.
@@yanni-duff ευχαριστώ
@@yanni-duffI have it and no problem with air flow, most case today has filter, or you have to clean it every mounth
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That's matx case
incorrect
15L is solid ITX territory
Lots of wasted space
Air need space
well it is not ssf at all!
Its more matx kinda case, but it is small form factor in the sense of smaller than full towers and middle tower cases ect, its just big enough to fit a matx motherboard, and a 4090, its not really any bigger than that. So top preformance in a smaller form factor, not smallest, but still small
Its ssf, if it is the closest to fit 4090. Its not anyones fault but manufacturers that 4090 is so big
I agree without agreeing, it's definitely not "a 2024" SFF, especially with the current standards where sub 10L cases can fit crazy stuff, but it's the smallest case that can fits ATX components inside.... Ncase are made to last and that compatibility decision is to my taste very good just for that reason. But i agree with you, let's call it SFF-L, like the psu's lol.
Sub 20L is SFF. This is 15.6. The Fractal Era 2 which many consider SFF (can only fit ITX parts) is 4 liters bigger than the M2. Just because the M2 can fit larger parts doesn't make it any less of an SFF case. It just means its internal layout is well optimized.
It is literally 15L, that's prime ITX especially since you are not as limited in component selection
i might be doing the same build just flipped, how is the cpu thermals ?
end of the vid