Great video! Just a suggestion - maybe have a few presets on the animation software that you use where you can tap a button and it immediately re-arranges the players on the board to a high-block or mid-block or low-block etc. This will prevent having to move each player up the field one-by-one when you are trying to show teams moving up/down the field. I feel like a lot of time is spent every video on this inefficient method of moving players around and this could help speed it up as well as make the video flow smoother.
I think the kind of corrections that you are suggesting is the kind of content that you get on 'TIFO' & not on 'TIFO IRL' . Tifo irl is more about the raw tactics and raw discussions. They aren't as polished as what we get from TIFO. Don't intend to set your Teeth on edge but moving players literally takes a few seconds. Won't make a world of difference even if he implements what you suggested.
It actually resembles Manchester uniteds 424/4231. With Grealish and Torres playing the Bruno and Cavani roles droppin deep and creating space for eachother. they also both create a back 3 in possession though usually with Fred or Matic dropping deep with the centre halves. Jesus/Sterling in the Rashford role. The systems are actually similar allthough the personnel is quite different
@@hrs1414 "I know what you're thinking. The 4-4-2 is rubbish, it's old fashioned, I don't like 4-4-2 and with Sean Dyche you would be correct. Goodbye".
I know Guardiola watches other team passing sports like basketball, but I wonder how much he was inspired by them. Basically in all these segments, he's just arranging an attacking 5 to rotate to pull the defense apart. And in the NBA the passing plays they set up basically try to get the defense in bad matchups and make a mistake in who they should cover.
That happens in most sports, NFL comes to mind by overloading a zone or trying to clear out a player. They would certainly look at the opposition and target a weaker player
The modern attacking 3-2-5/2-3-5 looks pretty much the same as the W-M formation that has been around in football since the end of the 19th century. Player positions within the formation were much more rigid, but the idea is basically the same
There’s a lot of talk in the comments about other managers who have used the 442 and how it’s very much alive, but the video itself doesn’t really debate this as its more about Pep’s evolution and how he has accumulated and applied his ideas into a unique 442 at City, rather than the so-called decline of the formation. Pep hasn’t found a way to make a dead and ineffective formation effective again, rather, he has put his own spin on the formation so it can facilitate his tactical approach. If the title was “reinvented” instead of “revived” then maybe that would make more sense. Title aside it’s a great video :)
The real lesson of this is that our traditional idea of what a team shape is, has become a bit meaningless. What the line-up graphics on Sky, BT, MOTD or whatever are showing us is how the broadcaster thinks the team will shape up when without the ball for a sustained period (and even then often incorrectly). Pretty much every top team ends up with a 'front five' across the vertical spaces when attacking, but the shape of that five and how they develop the ball into those attacking shapes is a bit different. A comparison of how City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool progress the ball into their attack would be incredibly interesting because they're all different, and I think Chelsea might be changing their system a bit this year as well
in a way, Pep has adapted Cruyffian philosophy of "total football" (where the aim is to get each player to be able to play in every position well) into modern context: he doesn't necessarily need a striker in his system because his midfielders and wingers are supposed to fill in those roles in attacking phases, ederson is basically a ball-playing keeper, his fullbacks (especially Cancelo) acts like a playmaker in midfield and when it comes to defending, he literally used his only striker (jesus) as a left-wingback when needed in that madrid game.
Based on the moment of the game a team's starting formation is a reference point for players' general playing position. The team's shape which is the most important aspect changes based on what third of the field they are in and what moment of the game they are set in i.e. attacking, defending, or the two transitional moments. A team who both individually and collectively understand their roles based on each moment will always be far more organized then someone who simply states "we play a 4-4-2
The 4-4-2 is used quite regularly in La Liga, and Lille just won Ligue 1 using the 4-4-2. But yeah, I guess thanks Pep for reviving a formation that never went away?
I think that Pep's offensive tactics revolve around attacking the inside channels or space between fullback and centre back. Hence, he always has wide players to occupy the full backs, and players running into the channel. This is the constant even with all the ostensible formation changes. Therefore his formation changes seem to be more to do with considerations of available personnel, build up formation (which depends on the first line of the opposition's defensive block, e.g. 1,2, or 3 forwards defending the first phase of build up), transition defence in having 5 players behind the ball, and how to occupy the oppositions central midfielders so they don't track the channel runner. To me this is the constant. Given that he started not to have all his full-backs run forward from the middle of last season (as LVG pointed out), this 4-4-2 now resembles how he played during his last season at Barca with Cesc and Messi as the 2 false 9's and Busquets and Xavi as the double pivots. Perhaps organising the video in relation to the spaces he likes to attack could have been a little bit more insightful and thus put the formational changes into a better context. But in saying this, I think the video still touches upon these points.
Simeone has been incredibly successful with 4-4-2. Dyche has defied the odds with 4-4-2, Ranieri won the PL title with 4-4-2, and even Mourinho employed it to some extent last season with Kane and Son. Guardiola didn't revive anything... it didn't need reviving.
Really enjoyable explainer, only thing I would add is that this 'false 9' term is kind of a slight misunderstanding of what is really happening (in modern football matches). The only reason it looks like the 9 is perhaps dropping only ever so slightly deeper in Pep's teams is because of Messi, who as we know, uses and perfected the one-two in almost every attack he is involved in. Therefore, whoever you put in the 9 position, as witnessed recently for Messi's first goal for PSG, will come slightly deeper, play the one-two and voila, a goal was created. In modern football, with all players having a good level of ability and fitness, the 9 position, as Pep likes to see it, is an unselfish striker, who is kinda happy to act as a sort of wall so-to-speak .... in order to bounce passes off for the incoming wingers or midfielders who are carrying momentum by running from deep and of course, then finishing the move by possessing a very, very high level of finishing ability.
Really makes me think of Brazil current tactics; playing with a 4-4-2 with Neymar and Firmino as false 9's with Richarlison and Gabriel Jesus working inwards from the wings. Eventhough Neymar deploys deeper as a No 10 most of the times. This Copa América used a lot the 'false 9' concept. Argentina, Brazil, Chile and arguably Colombia. This could make a Tifo IRL nice video.
I forgot how incredible Pep's Bayern teams were. in that attacking formation with the 3 at the back, the lines are: Neuer; Alaba, Hummels, Boateng; Xabi Alonso, initially Lahm then Kimmich; Ribery, initially Schweinsteiger then Thiago, Muller, Robben; initially Mandzukic then Lewandawski. Madness.
Do you think the next step for Guardiola would be Serie A? It would only make sense if he went to Juventus since it's the last big league he hasn't been in and it would be an interesting challenge for sure
442 is a formation that u can use to give your wingers liberty to attack ur opponent... the 2 central midfielder stays deep and they rarely go forward( they cover for the wingers)... Sometimes the Wingers will drifts inside to confuse their opposition CB and R/L backs.. this gives space for Guardiola's RB and LB to attack on the flanks! When you are attacking , your formation looks more like a 424 or 325 if a RB/LB overlaps. AC Milan have a concept a bit the same. In 442 it's important for a striker to play deep( comes back in the midfield to link up plays)
They generally have had a combination of a more outright striker and a creative second striker to supply the ball to them, Griezmann and Costa for example
I like the 4-4-2 formation. I've never understood the dislike. Its one of if not the most solid formations. I think and please correct me, its got to do with the old target man and poacher where you'd go long. That has its place but the 4-4-2 offers so much more.
Hahahahaha. Be careful, if you're not anything other than sycophantic you might have a hoard of scarf and glasses wearing football hipsters coming at you quoting expected goal per 90 statistics and telling you how Pep is reinventing the physio role through revolutionary application of magic sponge related techniques.
Problem City had with the new narrow back 4 during the build up was the lack of bodies in the opposing half. I believe Pep has formulated this to combat a high press. However, Spurs played a midblock and a narrow 4-3-3. Spurs forced the play wide (ala Tuchel in the UCL final) and City had no interior penetration.
Arsene Wenger played a very fluid 442 during his early years. Even the famous invisible seson it was 442. It would fluidly move to 4411, 433, 325 at different stages match and possession
@@zuhairyassin505 dount it because tuchel can play multiple formations unlike for example conte. I’m fact when I see Man City win a champions league then they can talk
Yup, its the first time any team in the premier league has the same depth and $pend. Comparing Tuchel's Chelsea to Guardiola's city is fair. So is it with Ole's United. Klopp punches above their weight in this regard where he's able to get more output from the players he has (maybe a great coach). However all that said, Guardiola's main strengths are improving technical abilities of players and overall team organization (once he has all pieces on his dream chessboard). As a tactician I think; he's (as they call him) Bald Fraudiola.
Liverpool used to play a 4-4-2 before Coutinho left, with Firmino and Salah in front and Mane on the right wing. Seems very similar. Klopp also likes his teams to defend in a 4-4-2 in all "big games." But I guess that all managers have their own take on it.
To this day I do not understand why so many elite teams abandoned the duel striker formations in an era that emphasizes attacking progressive football. A lone striker just limits your offensive options
I think you guys are over thinking this. These days most coaches don't have a set Formation. The formation is fluid based on the phase of play and possession of the ball. Guardiola is not the master of all tactics jheeze.
What I took from this is that pep's team are fluid it doesn't matter what formation they have as long different player can do occupies different positions
But couldn’t it be argued (well more likely the case) that Diego Simeone and Sean Dyche (shoutout to Ranieri as well with Leicester) are the main/better examples of reviving it? (I’ll admit there likely a few others I’ve missed)
Pep doesn't play 4-4-2 like those managers do though. They play a deep block 4-4-2 to hit on the counter. There's really no other manager using 4-4-2 without a true striker, dominating possession, etc.
@@hajones10 Potters Brighton seems to keep possesion and they certainly seem to ne playing without strikers, the lads have the finishing of league one CBs
As a coach, I can’t touch the 4-4-2 yet. Tactically it is the most difficult formation for me to make work unless I have the right players for every position.
It's a dating formation. But works against certain type of teams ..and if it's fluid enough. It can be balanced.. pep has this way of tweaking regular formations into shapes he likes
4-4-2? With modern game including rotation and baiting manoeuvres the formation will adapt to whatever your up against (with the purpose to be +1 in the zone where the ball is). When playing a single striker the full backs will be above the defensive midfielder and you'll push the #10 up the pitch creating more of a 2-5-3. On the other hand when facing an opponent with an aggressive 4-3-3 with high press, the #6 will fall into the backline and one of the strikers drop deep to receive the ball on the counter creating more of a 5-4-1. So your starting formation could result in vastly different actual positions in different games.
Good video, but this formation wasn't created by Pep; other managers had already used it, the best example is Jorge Jesus, his Flamengo team played in this shape, and his Benfica side plays like that sometimes too. He didn't use inverted full-backs, but the midfielders formed a vertical line instead of a horizontal one, and one of the strikers played as a false 9
Pep fascinates me tactically, but as the champions league final showed and the spurs game in question; he sometimes goes overboard and changes too much. I think had he stuck to playing the 4-3-3 with inverted wingbacks and playing a 6 that can win the ball like Fernandinho or Rodri, then he'd have won the champions league. As dominant possession wise as City always are, you can't have all the ball all the time against teams at the level of Chelsea, and you won't win a midfield battle against Jorginho and Kante with a midfield full of number 10s. I think Yves Bissouma would be unbelievably good at City, incredible all round midfielder, excellent ball winner and athlete. he'd compliment players like De Bruyne, Gundogan and Foden.
@@crystallan21 didn't even mean as a joke bruv. If you play FPL, you'd know that you almost always will score higher if you have 200mil budget compared to others with 100mil. It's not rocket science. Can Pep win the league with the Norwich team? Surely not. Can Farke win the PL with the City team? Most certainly.
It depends mainly on the player type playing the formation, for example think of the difference between having Thierry Henry and Iniesta wide left. Henry made a front three with the other forwards, while Iniesta brought more a midfielder's vision to the position and looked to combine. David Villa could play both kinds, he could be very midfieldery while out wide.
Pep's usage of 442 is hardly an endorsement, his team is scoreless in the last 3 games, costing him 2 pieces of silverware and losing to the Spurs, which is like losing to ( mean spirited ) children.
@@haashim1411 and they only got that cos Gundogan decided he was a striker for a couple months. He's forgotten how to be one now so it doesn't work anymore.
I enjoyed this analysis, but regarding the Spurs game my eye test and quickly checking the player heatmaps it did really seem like a standard 4-3-3 with Fernandinho holding, Gundogan and Grealish free 8s
As a City fan I can honestly say that we do not and never have played a 4-4-2 under Pep. We play a 4-3-3 with Mahrez and Grealish out wide, Haaland through the middle (for this team it would have been Foden or Jesus in the middle), and Rhodri, KDB and Bernardo in the middle
City never play a 4-4-2. Most teams that play a 4-3-3 will defend, especially when they retreat into their low block, will defend in a 4-4-2. But their attacking structure is never a 4-4-2. Grealish against spurs was basically an attacking midfielder that would drift wide to the left and sterling took up the half space.
I genuinely don't think Pep himself has done this with Man City, mainly because managers in the prem before him have done so, plus City recently play with a false 9, genuinely haven't seen them play a definitive 4-4-2 and on a regular basis. Sean Dyche and many others have been actually been playing this formation and successfully for longer.
think its worth mentioning that this seemingly started last season after jurgen klopp played a 442 press against city to stop them passing into the midfield too easily. guardiola definitely copied and adapted that system seeing how effective it was
The 442 never needed reviving, Sean dyche has been keeping it real for years
😂😂😂😂
Classic 442 with long balls 🤣🤣
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lille just beat money bags fc with a 442 big sam was right all along
You're right. Modern football still uses 442 shape when defending. The 4231 usually will become a 442 when teams defend
**laughs in Diego Simeone**
You forgot Sean Dyche
And Janne Andersson
Simeone developed the 6-2-2
8-1-1
@@charliejackson7640 Ffs😭😭😭yup... even as an Atleti fan, I appreciate that
"robbery,tch,ribery and robben,ribery and robben,robbery" JJ legend😂😂
technically that robs the other team's opportunity to win
@@theloserlose Arjen serious?!? (See what I did there?)
Great video! Just a suggestion - maybe have a few presets on the animation software that you use where you can tap a button and it immediately re-arranges the players on the board to a high-block or mid-block or low-block etc. This will prevent having to move each player up the field one-by-one when you are trying to show teams moving up/down the field. I feel like a lot of time is spent every video on this inefficient method of moving players around and this could help speed it up as well as make the video flow smoother.
smart boy
joe give this man a contract
I think the kind of corrections that you are suggesting is the kind of content that you get on 'TIFO' & not on 'TIFO IRL' . Tifo irl is more about the raw tactics and raw discussions. They aren't as polished as what we get from TIFO.
Don't intend to set your Teeth on edge but moving players literally takes a few seconds. Won't make a world of difference even if he implements what you suggested.
The suggestion is what Sky uses for their analysis with Neville and Cara !
@@scoobydoo3159 I think you're just jealous you didn't think of it first! 😜😜😜
Pep: we have no strikers
Also Pep: let's play 442
B I G
B R A I N
I think last season vs chelsea in the league we played a 4-1-5 with 5 wingers and fernandinho as the only cm. Idk
Crystal Palace played with Wilfred Zaha and Andros Townsend up front for a while I believe
@@F-Tier_Physique 🤣
It actually resembles Manchester uniteds 424/4231. With Grealish and Torres playing the Bruno and Cavani roles droppin deep and creating space for eachother. they also both create a back 3 in possession though usually with Fred or Matic dropping deep with the centre halves. Jesus/Sterling in the Rashford role. The systems are actually similar allthough the personnel is quite different
I'd ask for a tactical explanation of Burnley's 4-4-2 but the video would be about 12 seconds long
"Sean Dyche tells his players 'lets have it'. Thanks for watching the latest Tifo video"
@@hrs1414 "I know what you're thinking. The 4-4-2 is rubbish, it's old fashioned, I don't like 4-4-2 and with Sean Dyche you would be correct. Goodbye".
Burnley's 442 is like the AK-47. Old, simple, rugged and reliable
Tifo did the video and it was 13min long... You played yourself.
Hahahaha
@@iszybeethefirst It was just a joke mate. I didn't actually expect a 12 second video.
Thanks J.J Bull, I’ve been trying to explain the German League, “transition is king” works so well.
I know Guardiola watches other team passing sports like basketball, but I wonder how much he was inspired by them. Basically in all these segments, he's just arranging an attacking 5 to rotate to pull the defense apart. And in the NBA the passing plays they set up basically try to get the defense in bad matchups and make a mistake in who they should cover.
That happens in most sports, NFL comes to mind by overloading a zone or trying to clear out a player. They would certainly look at the opposition and target a weaker player
Ever think that he just does it not because of other sports but its just a common thing that many managers apply in their tactics in football?
The modern attacking 3-2-5/2-3-5 looks pretty much the same as the W-M formation that has been around in football since the end of the 19th century. Player positions within the formation were much more rigid, but the idea is basically the same
Player mismatch happens all the time. Teams target Chelsea's right side to exploit Calum Hudson Odoi's weak defense when he Plays RWB
eww MLS
There’s a lot of talk in the comments about other managers who have used the 442 and how it’s very much alive, but the video itself doesn’t really debate this as its more about Pep’s evolution and how he has accumulated and applied his ideas into a unique 442 at City, rather than the so-called decline of the formation. Pep hasn’t found a way to make a dead and ineffective formation effective again, rather, he has put his own spin on the formation so it can facilitate his tactical approach. If the title was “reinvented” instead of “revived” then maybe that would make more sense. Title aside it’s a great video :)
"Robbery" was a great duo though!
The real lesson of this is that our traditional idea of what a team shape is, has become a bit meaningless. What the line-up graphics on Sky, BT, MOTD or whatever are showing us is how the broadcaster thinks the team will shape up when without the ball for a sustained period (and even then often incorrectly). Pretty much every top team ends up with a 'front five' across the vertical spaces when attacking, but the shape of that five and how they develop the ball into those attacking shapes is a bit different. A comparison of how City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool progress the ball into their attack would be incredibly interesting because they're all different, and I think Chelsea might be changing their system a bit this year as well
My god finally someone who actually knows their footy.
Should just post up an average position graphic before the game
in a way, Pep has adapted Cruyffian philosophy of "total football" (where the aim is to get each player to be able to play in every position well) into modern context: he doesn't necessarily need a striker in his system because his midfielders and wingers are supposed to fill in those roles in attacking phases, ederson is basically a ball-playing keeper, his fullbacks (especially Cancelo) acts like a playmaker in midfield and when it comes to defending, he literally used his only striker (jesus) as a left-wingback when needed in that madrid game.
Pep: today we are gonna play 4-4-FOKIN 2
Read that in my mind in Noel Gallagher's voice
Sounds like Lars Ulrich
Make it "fookin", and tada! You have the Peaky Blinders playing football.
Could you do a video on the importance of the third man run. Bielsa recently said the third man is the least developed weapon in football.
Based on the moment of the game a team's starting formation is a reference point for players' general playing position. The team's shape which is the most important aspect changes based on what third of the field they are in and what moment of the game they are set in i.e. attacking, defending, or the two transitional moments.
A team who both individually and collectively understand their roles based on each moment will always be far more organized then someone who simply states "we play a 4-4-2
The 4-4-2 is used quite regularly in La Liga, and Lille just won Ligue 1 using the 4-4-2. But yeah, I guess thanks Pep for reviving a formation that never went away?
and in a loss lmao
Arsene wenger was a master of 442 as well.
Exactly. Atletico Madrid too. Monaco in 2017. French national team. Its used a lot in Ligue 1 too.
Last time most la liga team played with 4-5-1 formation. Quite defensive at away
I think that Pep's offensive tactics revolve around attacking the inside channels or space between fullback and centre back. Hence, he always has wide players to occupy the full backs, and players running into the channel. This is the constant even with all the ostensible formation changes. Therefore his formation changes seem to be more to do with considerations of available personnel, build up formation (which depends on the first line of the opposition's defensive block, e.g. 1,2, or 3 forwards defending the first phase of build up), transition defence in having 5 players behind the ball, and how to occupy the oppositions central midfielders so they don't track the channel runner. To me this is the constant. Given that he started not to have all his full-backs run forward from the middle of last season (as LVG pointed out), this 4-4-2 now resembles how he played during his last season at Barca with Cesc and Messi as the 2 false 9's and Busquets and Xavi as the double pivots. Perhaps organising the video in relation to the spaces he likes to attack could have been a little bit more insightful and thus put the formational changes into a better context. But in saying this, I think the video still touches upon these points.
Sean Dyche has always played a 4-4-2.
The 442
Who?
Mostly yes but sometimes but not often a 4-4-1-1
@loto cry more
Simeone has been incredibly successful with 4-4-2. Dyche has defied the odds with 4-4-2, Ranieri won the PL title with 4-4-2, and even Mourinho employed it to some extent last season with Kane and Son.
Guardiola didn't revive anything... it didn't need reviving.
Guardiola revived 4-4-2 as an attacking system. Each of those managers play a deep block 4-4-2 to play on the counter.
Really enjoyable explainer, only thing I would add is that this 'false 9' term is kind of a slight misunderstanding of what is really happening (in modern football matches). The only reason it looks like the 9 is perhaps dropping only ever so slightly deeper in Pep's teams is because of Messi, who as we know, uses and perfected the one-two in almost every attack he is involved in.
Therefore, whoever you put in the 9 position, as witnessed recently for Messi's first goal for PSG, will come slightly deeper, play the one-two and voila, a goal was created.
In modern football, with all players having a good level of ability and fitness, the 9 position, as Pep likes to see it, is an unselfish striker, who is kinda happy to act as a sort of wall so-to-speak .... in order to bounce passes off for the incoming wingers or midfielders who are carrying momentum by running from deep and of course, then finishing the move by possessing a very, very high level of finishing ability.
I aspire to be as cool as JJ Bull "I know what you're thinking the 4-4-2 is rubbish" well yes I did😂💙 looking forward to the next tactical video
Really makes me think of Brazil current tactics; playing with a 4-4-2 with Neymar and Firmino as false 9's with Richarlison and Gabriel Jesus working inwards from the wings. Eventhough Neymar deploys deeper as a No 10 most of the times.
This Copa América used a lot the 'false 9' concept. Argentina, Brazil, Chile and arguably Colombia. This could make a Tifo IRL nice video.
its mostly due to how their wingers play as inside forward rather than the normal winger role i guess
Didn't need reviving, Burnley haven't played anything but 4-4-2 since bloody 1930!
2:59 Pep never managed Jordi Alba
I forgot how incredible Pep's Bayern teams were. in that attacking formation with the 3 at the back, the lines are: Neuer; Alaba, Hummels, Boateng; Xabi Alonso, initially Lahm then Kimmich; Ribery, initially Schweinsteiger then Thiago, Muller, Robben; initially Mandzukic then Lewandawski. Madness.
Pep didn't coach gnabry
@@Azza.10 i don't recall which winger was signed. was it Coman or Douglas Costa?
@@bigburrito2373 he coached both of them, yes
@@Azza.10 my mistake, i do not follow Bayern very closely.
31 trophies the guy is a genius
Do you think the next step for Guardiola would be Serie A? It would only make sense if he went to Juventus since it's the last big league he hasn't been in and it would be an interesting challenge for sure
Flick played 4-2-2-2 or 4-4-2 with Muller as SS , Koman and Gnabry as wingers.
442 is a formation that u can use to give your wingers liberty to attack ur opponent... the 2 central midfielder stays deep and they rarely go forward( they cover for the wingers)...
Sometimes the Wingers will drifts inside to confuse their opposition CB and R/L backs.. this gives space for Guardiola's RB and LB to attack on the flanks!
When you are attacking , your formation looks more like a 424 or 325 if a RB/LB overlaps.
AC Milan have a concept a bit the same.
In 442 it's important for a striker to play deep( comes back in the midfield to link up plays)
Tifo do such a great job of overcomplicating things that are actually quite simple to understand.
Spain used a similar 4-4-2 back in Euro 2008 with Villa and Torres on the front. Both strikers got wide creating gaps for Silva, Iniesta or Xavi.
Atleti have been playing it for years now
Even getting pretty close to a decade
They generally have had a combination of a more outright striker and a creative second striker to supply the ball to them, Griezmann and Costa for example
They don't anymore (3-5-2 now) and theirs was very rigid tactically when they did
I wish i could spot these tactics on the field. All i see is the players running around randomly😂
The TV camera isn't designed to show the whole field. I bet if you watched from above you'd see it
@@kieronparr3403 your right. But i think if i focus on it long enough ill be able to roughly identify player movements and such
Pep mam city team aren’t as impressive in tatics as Barcelona
Noob
Yeah I definitely see a lot more from the stands than on tv.
The thumbnail is exactly what I imagine Pep does when he's home alone...
I like the 4-4-2 formation. I've never understood the dislike. Its one of if not the most solid formations. I think and please correct me, its got to do with the old target man and poacher where you'd go long. That has its place but the 4-4-2 offers so much more.
I’m currently reading ‘Inverting the Pyramid’ and now I’m noticing the 2-3-5 come back in all these modern attacking shapes lol
@BK Amazing!
I've been doing it on FM for years, basically the guru!
jj could teach me calculus and i'd understand
If only he understood it himself. I agree though, he should have been a teacher
Amen bro
@@StoutProper yah agree
@@tukhorhassan7737 amen
Maybe the real 442 was the friends we made along the way
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It's amazing, but ManCity had 0 shots on target
Hahahahaha. Be careful, if you're not anything other than sycophantic you might have a hoard of scarf and glasses wearing football hipsters coming at you quoting expected goal per 90 statistics and telling you how Pep is reinventing the physio role through revolutionary application of magic sponge related techniques.
tbf thats just because non of his players can shoot
Marcelinho, Simeone must be laughing
Pep using a 4-4-2 without a recognised striker
442 and Guardiola in the same sentence doesn't feel right...
For some reason I love the 4-4-2. Probably from Simeone despite playing negative football at times, it’s this weird fascination!
Yeah, there something about his 442
@@ForeignKeyz100 Oh hands down! Love Guardiola’s take
We don't always use that formation.
Your videos make me appreciate the coaches job much more. so complex!
In Bayern days, he went against a team with 2-3-5. Completely in attack.
JJ has definitely had his ready brek this morning
10:35
Problem City had with the new narrow back 4 during the build up was the lack of bodies in the opposing half. I believe Pep has formulated this to combat a high press.
However, Spurs played a midblock and a narrow 4-3-3. Spurs forced the play wide (ala Tuchel in the UCL final) and City had no interior penetration.
Arsene Wenger played a very fluid 442 during his early years. Even the famous invisible seson it was 442.
It would fluidly move to 4411, 433, 325 at different stages match and possession
Ah yes the famous invisible Arsenal season. If Arsene had only been able to keep them invisible, they'd be invincible until this day.
Then TUchel comes in with his 5-2-3 and pep is seen drinking water😂😂😂
soon tuchel will stagnate its a matter of time
@@zuhairyassin505 dount it because tuchel can play multiple formations unlike for example conte. I’m fact when I see Man City win a champions league then they can talk
@@lxfj2128 possible let's wait i agree he actually can play with multiple formations
Yup, its the first time any team in the premier league has the same depth and $pend. Comparing Tuchel's Chelsea to Guardiola's city is fair. So is it with Ole's United. Klopp punches above their weight in this regard where he's able to get more output from the players he has (maybe a great coach). However all that said, Guardiola's main strengths are improving technical abilities of players and overall team organization (once he has all pieces on his dream chessboard). As a tactician I think; he's (as they call him) Bald Fraudiola.
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Liverpool used to play a 4-4-2 before Coutinho left, with Firmino and Salah in front and Mane on the right wing. Seems very similar. Klopp also likes his teams to defend in a 4-4-2 in all "big games." But I guess that all managers have their own take on it.
Mendy really playing that inside role these days
4:44 don't worry JJ, the pair of Robben and Ribery were nicknamed Robbery at the time
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Bet spurs wont beat city again
@@theonefamily3786 I mean they have 4 times on the bounce but ok 😂
there are mid and lower table teams use 442 low block or park the bus, so guardiola didnt revive it, also simeone used it
To this day I do not understand why so many elite teams abandoned the duel striker formations in an era that emphasizes attacking progressive football. A lone striker just limits your offensive options
I think you guys are over thinking this. These days most coaches don't have a set Formation. The formation is fluid based on the phase of play and possession of the ball. Guardiola is not the master of all tactics jheeze.
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2:57 Pep Guardiola never had Jordi Alba at Barcelona senior team...
Revived? It was never dead
Diego Simone plays 4 4 2 in different shapes
Zinedine Zidane played 4 4 2 diamonds
STOP PRAISING GUARDIOLA
442 strikerless is the new rage for FM21 - Pep knows his stuff
What I took from this is that pep's team are fluid it doesn't matter what formation they have as long different player can do occupies different positions
But couldn’t it be argued (well more likely the case) that Diego Simeone and Sean Dyche (shoutout to Ranieri as well with Leicester) are the main/better examples of reviving it?
(I’ll admit there likely a few others I’ve missed)
Ssssshhhhh. Pep invented/modernized/revived every football tactic ever according to the football hipsters. Don't ruin it for them.
It's not even a 4-4-2 it's a 4-6-0. That's why they had 0 shots on target.
Pep doesn't play 4-4-2 like those managers do though. They play a deep block 4-4-2 to hit on the counter. There's really no other manager using 4-4-2 without a true striker, dominating possession, etc.
@@hajones10 Potters Brighton seems to keep possesion and they certainly seem to ne playing without strikers, the lads have the finishing of league one CBs
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Excellent tactical applications
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As a coach, I can’t touch the 4-4-2 yet. Tactically it is the most difficult formation for me to make work unless I have the right players for every position.
It's a dating formation. But works against certain type of teams ..and if it's fluid enough. It can be balanced.. pep has this way of tweaking regular formations into shapes he likes
4-4-2? With modern game including rotation and baiting manoeuvres the formation will adapt to whatever your up against (with the purpose to be +1 in the zone where the ball is). When playing a single striker the full backs will be above the defensive midfielder and you'll push the #10 up the pitch creating more of a 2-5-3. On the other hand when facing an opponent with an aggressive 4-3-3 with high press, the #6 will fall into the backline and one of the strikers drop deep to receive the ball on the counter creating more of a 5-4-1. So your starting formation could result in vastly different actual positions in different games.
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Good video, but this formation wasn't created by Pep; other managers had already used it, the best example is Jorge Jesus, his Flamengo team played in this shape, and his Benfica side plays like that sometimes too. He didn't use inverted full-backs, but the midfielders formed a vertical line instead of a horizontal one, and one of the strikers played as a false 9
Dyche VS Guardiola. let the best 4-4-2 win
Give them the same set of players. Dyche would win
@@stephenjames227 depends on the type of players
He only plays that wen out of possession. He plays 2 -3-5 wen in possession
Pep fascinates me tactically, but as the champions league final showed and the spurs game in question; he sometimes goes overboard and changes too much. I think had he stuck to playing the 4-3-3 with inverted wingbacks and playing a 6 that can win the ball like Fernandinho or Rodri, then he'd have won the champions league.
As dominant possession wise as City always are, you can't have all the ball all the time against teams at the level of Chelsea, and you won't win a midfield battle against Jorginho and Kante with a midfield full of number 10s.
I think Yves Bissouma would be unbelievably good at City, incredible all round midfielder, excellent ball winner and athlete. he'd compliment players like De Bruyne, Gundogan and Foden.
And not to mention a billion dollar squad losing against Conference league hopefuls.
Even Big Sam can win the league with those players.
very funny I'm sure we all laughed
@@abulelenxumalo6664 idiotic nature that
@@marinusdejager41 I think anyone could win with that squad
@@crystallan21 didn't even mean as a joke bruv.
If you play FPL, you'd know that you almost always will score higher if you have 200mil budget compared to others with 100mil. It's not rocket science.
Can Pep win the league with the Norwich team? Surely not. Can Farke win the PL with the City team? Most certainly.
Could you do a video explaining the differences between 433 vs 4141, since on paper they look exactly the same.
It depends mainly on the player type playing the formation, for example think of the difference between having Thierry Henry and Iniesta wide left. Henry made a front three with the other forwards, while Iniesta brought more a midfielder's vision to the position and looked to combine. David Villa could play both kinds, he could be very midfieldery while out wide.
Pep's usage of 442 is hardly an endorsement, his team is scoreless in the last 3 games, costing him 2 pieces of silverware and losing to the Spurs, which is like losing to ( mean spirited ) children.
They used the 442 last season when they won the league and cup…
@@haashim1411 and they only got that cos Gundogan decided he was a striker for a couple months. He's forgotten how to be one now so it doesn't work anymore.
Revived ke? Burnley play 4-4-2, Atletico have played 4-4-2, it never died
Leicester did not win the EPL with a 442 for Tifo to attribute its revival to Guardiola. Dfkm.
The video is great but we love it in animation
The only time I think they used the 442 was when they were pressing spurs I don’t think they necessarily built up in a 442 but good video
I enjoyed this analysis, but regarding the Spurs game my eye test and quickly checking the player heatmaps it did really seem like a standard 4-3-3 with Fernandinho holding, Gundogan and Grealish free 8s
Agreed...
As a City fan I can honestly say that we do not and never have played a 4-4-2 under Pep. We play a 4-3-3 with Mahrez and Grealish out wide, Haaland through the middle (for this team it would have been Foden or Jesus in the middle), and Rhodri, KDB and Bernardo in the middle
Thanks for the vid
Love Tifo. What device is being used? Looks like the technology used on MNF?
Since the 90s none of the successful managers who played a 442 were actually playing a 442. Even Alex Ferguson said he's never played a 442.
Burnley are a fantastic 442 side, Guardiola should learn a thing or two from Dyche
That fart was squelchy 10:35
From 4-3-3 with Messi as false 9 striker alongside David Villa and Pedro as wingers/inside forwards to 4-4-2 with two false 9 strikers.
That 4 4 2 formation looks like Ole's interpretation of the 4 4 2 that he plays against Manchester City 😳 😬 😀 🤔.
Yeah mate I was thinking it was similar to something ole uses sometimes
It was actually a pretty common Nickname the german press had for the duo back in the day
It's always kind of been a 4-2-2-2 when Ole's played it.
@@Stegibbon that's because pogba hasn't the discipline to play a position in a formation off the ball
@@StoutProper who cares it works. He didn't stick to any position against Leeds and got 4 assists.
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fergie used it, simeone does, and red bull school revived it (rangnick)
nothing to see here
Fergie formation is more a 4-4-1-1 but its still count as a 4-4-2
Hardly revived if he couldn't win with it
Sweden played 4-4-2 for decades. Changed to 4-3-3 and lost tree straight games. Home and away against Norway and home against Serbia...
City never play a 4-4-2. Most teams that play a 4-3-3 will defend, especially when they retreat into their low block, will defend in a 4-4-2. But their attacking structure is never a 4-4-2. Grealish against spurs was basically an attacking midfielder that would drift wide to the left and sterling took up the half space.
I genuinely don't think Pep himself has done this with Man City, mainly because managers in the prem before him have done so, plus City recently play with a false 9, genuinely haven't seen them play a definitive 4-4-2 and on a regular basis. Sean Dyche and many others have been actually been playing this formation and successfully for longer.
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think its worth mentioning that this seemingly started last season after jurgen klopp played a 442 press against city to stop them passing into the midfield too easily. guardiola definitely copied and adapted that system seeing how effective it was
Its probably worth mentioning that Klopp stole Peps 433 false 9 then...
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I think Pep using 4-4-2 only on "Defensive Transition" not on possesion.