How The Red Wedding Ruined Our Lives
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2018
- The Lannisters send their regards. Let's take a look at the Red Wedding. This will be the first of many Game of Thrones related video essays by A Matter of Film.
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For years, we have been conditioned as viewers to understand an important aspect in storytelling: The central conflict usually remains at the center until the end of the story. The Lord of The Rings, for example, is the story of Frodo Baggins, a young hobbit who must take the one ring and destroy in in the fires of Mount Doom. In Breaking Bad, Walter White, a high school chemistry teacher turns to a life of crime to make and distribute crystal meth on the streets to make sure his family is financially secure after he is diagnosed with lung cancer. In both of these stories, this is the conflict that stays at the center for the entire duration of the narrative. It’s what you say when people ask what that story is about. Game of Thrones is a little harder to explain. For the first three seasons, the show was divided into three major plotlines: The War of the Five Kings, Dany’s storyline as she builds an army on Essos and the Night’s Watch plot. But Westeros’ medieval war was the primary storyline for these first few seasons and at the center of it lay the main conflict of the show: Starks vs. Lannisters. Game of Thrones fans know exactly why Season Three’s penultimate episode The Rains of Castamere is so important. Today we’ll explore the significance and legacy of the episode.
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Please video-analyze the season 2 Battle of the Blackwater episode
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
You fight make more got videos, though:(
@Hezekiah Abdiel yea, been using Flixzone for years myself =)
The entire sequence with Catelyn at the wedding is a hauntingly beautiful direction. We see her feeling uneasy at first as the doors are locked and the music starts to play, then worried after sitting down with Roose, you can see her breathing getting heavier and faster, and then the final moment, panic as she discovers the armor under his clothes.
Michelle Fairley is criminally underrated. It's outrageous she was never even nominated.
I still say to this day her performance in this episode is one of the best of all time.
Honestly you're right. The scene will be remembered for a very long time, I just wish she was given the recognition she deserves. Her acting in it is, without question, one of the best performances of all time.
Yet Emilia Clarke has received several nominations. She's a good actress but Michelle Fairley was incredible in those first 3 seasons and the Red Wedding should have been her Emmy episode.
Yes! I really wish they went with the lady-stone heart plot line so that she could continue acting in the show.
Her reaction was pretty close to mine watching it. I was very on edge as soon as the doors closed and knew for sure what was about to happen by the mere 2nd note of the Rains of Castamere.
But yes, she played the part masterfully through the whole party, and that was vital to the scene working as well as it did (especially for those of us who weren't as blindsided as most reaction videos).
A shame the show didn’t stick to these principles. The last season was some of the most predictable storytelling I have seen.
"We knew we had to put a zombie polar bear in there" - dude that doesn't know what Game of Thrones stands for
Really? I couldn't predict one iota of the season myself.
George Daugherty without posting spoilers, anyone who didn’t predict the romance between two key characters would have to be braindead.
And the heroes turned invincible. They didn't have the books anymore and the writers are not as skilled as George R.R. Martin.
RheyaRu!z do you even know what a hipster is, kid ?
Shout out to Ramin Djawadi though. He's been a stalwart for Game of Thrones and the scenes wouldn't be the same without his fantastic music.
The man's a genius.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 legend
One of the best parts of the show. Luckily also nice to listen on its own.
Absolutely, but the absence of music can be just as powerful, as proven by the silent end credits after the red wedding.
Lady Catelyn is the most tragic character in the entire series in my opinion. She died believing all her children are dead, and the only “Stark” left is Jon Snow, a bastard boy from Ned who betrayed her love, with another woman. She literally saw her entire heritage die before her, and she was the last to die. It’s an incredibly disturbing and depressing story.
i agree that catelyn’s whole arc was pretty tragic (esp her ending) but c’mon theon exists
@@ruerueruerueruerueTheon deserved some (but not all) of the things that happened to him. He could only be redeemed by sacrificing himself imo.
Cat never thought Ned betrayed her
when Jon was born they barely knew each other
Same thing with oberyn, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard a story where the character gets his revenge denied, not only that but in such a brutal way too. I couldn’t sleep after I watched that episode
The Mountain and the Viper was the peak of GOT for me.
That scene literally haunted me to my core, not only because of the horrifying nature of his death, but also the fact that the Mountain won and Oberyn died without getting to avenge his sister. It's so heartbreaking and horrifying at the same time.
The ending of that fight was so fucking stupid, both in the show and in the book, it doesn't matter if you're 8 feet tall, weigh 500lbs and can break trees with your hands, if you've had your tendons sliced and your guts pierced, the fight is over, you're not pulling some miraculous last-second takedown, your body simply hasn't the power to do so, no matter how strong you are when healthy, because at that point you are tremendously far from healthy.
@@gigicestone4902 maybe but i think youre underestimating adrenaline, armour and just how fucking strong a dude like the mountain is. like in real life he bicep curls oberns entire bodyweight. there are exceptional cases of people surviving shotgun blasts to the chest for a good minute, benching cars off of them and breaking world running records all due to the raw adrenaline running through them.
@@gigicestone4902 Oberyn should have gone for the head!! The Mountain did!!
Five years after... I'm still crying...
Mads Peter Iversen I was laughing the first time I saw the scene lol
Irrapture how?
I don't know, I guess I just wasn't attached to their characters. I hated the girl that Robb got with. I mostly only liked Jon lol
Weird. Most people relate to Robbs heroism, truth speaking, honour and being generally good but not overly ignorant person. Strange I guess
Everybody has their opinions on characters :)
Benioff and Weiss are getting too much credit for the story and structure of this show. They literally just copied what Martin wrote. The last season proved they are not nearly as good without Martin's writings to copy. - It do think they deserve credit for excellence in interpretation of source material.
@Mystique Dreamer asshole = A Matter of Film? If you meant that I seriously doubt you understood the point of the video
WHAT, the bring this to TV. Did you ever Watch how good Battle of the Bastards is, i never see some battle in my hole life. This dont make GGRM this make Benioff and Weiss, the film it and plan it. We should be happy that dont peter Jackson make Game of Thrones i bet it would be not so good!
Martin (self admittedly) copied other people so it comes full circle
@@Satanthony It's common for writers to "copy" real people for their characters or rather to take certain aspects of different people and build the characters out of these. Tolstoi did this for example. So as you see, the most realistic personas in literature were inspired by the observations the writers did in their environment. Besides, it is not as easy as it sounds. In order to create realistic and coherent characters the writer needs to have not only a social understanding but writing skills as well to transform complex real beings into beings built of words.
I assume lots of writers find inspiration in people they know though not every writer makes them feel real for the reader, as Martin does for example.
@@oidana are you insane? The Battle of the Bastards doesn't hold a candle to the Red Wedding. What lives on, what makes a series so great, is the soul, the core "values". Not cool visuals and action-packed sequences.
I still remember the feeling of watching the dead quiet ending credits of that episode. Just in shock from the amazing script and acting that brought that final scene together
In this show everyone can die... even the fukng show. There is no GoT after the season 4. haha they killed the show in the season 4 damn.
@@michadomeracki5910 more like season 6 battle of bastard, winds of winter and many more exist in season 6 . Don't be bandwagon hater
@@bibekkoirala352 Okey what was good in the season 5?
@@michadomeracki5910bro season 5 was super mediocre but seadon 6-8 is one of the worst writing after Fear the Walking Dead
Game Of Thrones is very easy to explain. Its a show about families fighting over control of a kingdom while unbeknownst to them a magical force is looming threatening to destroy the world as they know it.
djanavol And That magic force is Danny and her dragons.
No its not Dany its The Others...duh! People are aware of Dany and her dragons nobody is aware of The Others outside of the Wildlings and the Nights Watch. Plus dragons existed not that long ago within the timeline of the story, they even had Dragon bones in the Red Keep so that isn't far fetched because there is proof that they existed. Even dragons eggs those have always existed within that universe. The Others predate the dragons to the point that people think of them as myth including Dany who has dragons. So no Dany is NOT the magical force thank you very much!
djanavol No everybody in the show is focusing on the wrong threat. Danny is a ticking time bomb. If she goes berserk like the mad king nothing will stop her.
Your still wrong because people ARE aware of Dany. Robert had a hit put out on her so she is not UNKNOWN! Plus she isn't going to destroy the world which is what you seem to have been missing from what I said the SUMMARY of the ENTIRE series. Even GRRM summarized it as such which is families fighting over a throne while a threat greater than ANY OF THEM REALIZE threatens to destroy the entire world!You missed the entire point of my first comment which was in response to the the video creator claiming Game of Thrones being hard to explain after summarizing Breaking Bad and Lord of The Rings smh!The first book /episode OPENS with The Others.Also you must really not understand Dany's core characterization she would never go BESERK like the mad king she doesn't take pleasure in torturing people she has moments of "rage" but thats always in reaction to an event and yes would she teeter in villiany in the books probably but she will NEVER go full mad king.
djanavol i think she will become a villain. Thats part of the bittersweet ending GRRM was talking about. We spend an entire series rooting for her but the end she will do sonething unforgivable ending the series with a bad taste in our mouths
S1-6: You were the chosen one
You were supposed to destroy clichés not add them
S7: It’s for FANSERVICE!!!!
lets say s1-4
Ramsay was just a buffed up version of Geoffrey so yeah, 1 to 4 no further
Well they ran out of source material so they pulled these last two seasons out of their ass
Since when was the show supposed to destroy clichés. Destroy the clichés, nobody would watch them. People watch for the clichés they love to see.
RheyaRu!z actually grrm is not involved with the show anymore. And hasn’t been in a while. He told D&D (the show runners) how the ending is supposed to be but how it gets there is not how the books are gonna be. Book will always be cannon though.
Game of Thrones soundtrack... it's not only good by itself, but it's so heavy, you can feel the weight of what happened so far, a thousand images fly by your head so fast, like you've just watched all of it's seasons in less than one second, Ygrette's death, Jon and Thormund's friendship, the Red Wedding, king Tommen's suicide, Robert Baratheon's death, the Hound with Arya Stark, "I wish i had enough poison for the whole pack of you !", Eddard Stark.
All of those feelings coming back at the same time...
Jon's Death was so well done. That shit was absolutely heart wrenching with the violin. Olly?!
GOT season 1234: good people die because that's reality.
season 5678: the heroes get their revenge and win because magic.
But actually Sansa did not use magic and became The Queen in the north.
@@silviesaskova9437 she used plot armor and absent logic
Tables turn around. Reality bad guys do die but it takes time to do it. Heroes don’t get revenge because it has consequences and costs everything
Not 8
I mean to be fair, in the episode after the red wedding Bran tells the story of a rat cook who kills another man under his own roof (or something along those lines) and that the one thing the gods cannot forgive is that level of betrayal. Tyrion also says directly to Tywins face "The north will remember this." So the show is foreshadowing the Freys and Boltons will be punished for the red wedding eventually.
Game of Thrones was a show about natural consequences up till about season 6. Sure 5-6 are nowhere near as good as seasons 1-4 but I think it's still worth noting the plot armor was still somewhat minimal and characters payed for their actions... and I feel like most shows would absolutely kill to have a season on the level of quality as 5-6. There are some obvious major flaws within those two seasons obviously but it still tried to follow the rules. By season 7-8 though they just gave up, the last good scene in the show was Olenas death.
Very, very soon you´ll be able to make: " how season 8, episode 3 ruined our lives" video.
so true :(
Yeah all of them will die then the rest of the episode will be the white walkers just walking really slowly to Kings landing
Wiktor Kentander no, because we expect it
@@tusidex5228 so because we expect a bad ending we will get a good ending or will it be that because we expect they will do the opposite of what we expect they will this do exactly what we expect which will then become the thing we least expect (smart guy pointing to head meme)
Bradley Steltz we expect that some important characters will die in the battle and that will happen.
Ned would've never married another girl if he was already compromised to marry a Frey girl. Robb lost the war the moment he married Talissa...I believe it's a line of a character of the show
well, if ned fallen sick while engaged to frey girl and delirious slept with some other girl then, he as well as Robb would feel guilty and would want to restore the girls honor before his. which is what happens in the books
Robb lost the war the moment he sent Theon to the Iron Islands, not when he broke his marriage pact.
It is this event that undermines his power and thus makes him look weak enough to the Freys and Bolton.
Also, the show makes a blunder of this marriage thing.
In the books, Robb sleeps with Jeyne Westerling because he is wounded and sad from the news of the death of Bran and Rickon.
Thus he marries her.
Which is another hint at Jon's true parentage.
Robb is the image of his father.
Robb preferred to soil his honor rather than Jeyne's.
Because she might carry his child. And so he did like his father would have done, taken the blame and stick to his responsibilities.
It is a hint that Ned would have never sired a bastard.
esmurrembam Frey would have killed Robb for even less such as marrying her daughters with joffery
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I've read the books too and I know that he marries Jeyne Westerling, but this is a video about the show. In the show he meets a random nurse and marries her because he falls in love already being engaged to a Frey girl...it's totally different.
And Theon was his ally and almost his brother (they grew up together) when he sent him to the Iron Islands to get Balon's support for the war, how could Robb know that Theon was going to betray him because he wanted to impress his father? Why was that a bad move? Robb really needed the Frey and Bolton army...so the moment he broke the engagement, the Freys and the Boltons allied to the Lannisters
yes yes we know the shows and the books are different. Gabison was merely pointing out what GRRM intended, which is indeed pretty interesting. I never knew that and it would have made so much sense.
Also, the engagement was just one of the reasons that the Freys and Boltons switch alliances. Hoster Tully's death and the lack of a competent heir in Edmure, Catelyn freeing Jaime, which indirectly led to the Rickard Karstark's execution and the abandonment by Karstark forces. These all contributed to what is seen as a weakening of House Stark and prompted the betrayal by the Freys and Boltons. Also the Boltons never sat well with the Starks either.
I was haunted by Catelyn Stark's scream :c
...but now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear...
And so he spoke, and so he spoke
That Lord of Castamere
And now the rains weep o'er his halls
With no one there to hear...
Yes, now the rains weep o'er his halls
But not a soul will hear.
First time I watched the Red Wedding I couldn't sleep afterwards, it really shocked me.
Larry For me, that I was nothing and I sleep like a baby after watching the Red Wedding. However, there’s one major fictional event that made betrayal more horrifying than the Red Wedding and gave me sleepless nights. The name of this fictional event is the Eclipse of the Godhand of the Descent Chapter of the Golden Age Arc of the Kentaro Muira’s Berserk. Don’t believe me, take a look at the censor version: ua-cam.com/video/VQjv1K487z8/v-deo.html
Larry first time I watched, I was laughing the entire scene
I read it in the book before seeing it (no I'm not one of those "I'M AN ORIGINAL FAN FROM THE 90'S" people. I just started reading them after season 1. When I read the red wedding... I was convinced that my brain was malfunctioning and read the scene three times before thinking "fuck! This is really happening!"
K Dub same thing happened with me. I knew it was coming, but it hit me waaay harder than the show. I’m glad I decided to pick up the books and read them.
BLOODY PSYCHOS AMONG THE POST COMMENTORS. NO WONDER ISLAMIC JIHADISTS & WHITE SUPREMACISTS EXIST. SHOULD IC3 FBI TAKE NOTE OF FUTURE FELONS HERE??!!
The Red wedding is the most brutal moment in scripted history since the literal 'overthrowing' of Mufasa in The Lion King movie. It's like fine kill the main protagonist yet again, but Jesus H. Christ why did you guys also added this pregnant woman death in such a viscous way?! Well...i might add seeing Arya Stark feeding Wolder Frey his own young as good-dammed apple pie made me sick yet satisfied at the same time; this girl sense of humor is dark as pitch black tar.
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For me, that was nothing and I sleep like a baby after watching the Red Wedding. However, there’s one major fictional event that made betrayal more horrifying than the Red Wedding and gave me sleepless nights. The name of this fictional event is the Eclipse of the Godhand of the Descent Chapter of the Golden Age Arc of the Kentaro Muira’s Berserk. Don’t believe me, take a look at the censor version: ua-cam.com/video/VQjv1K487z8/v-deo.html
Weeaboo's man, I swear.
whathell6t hell yeah bro, we got another berserk fan here.
@@whathell6t that was purely disgusting
Armin Nasery That’s because you only a clip which is logical. You didn’t saw and/read the whole Kentaro Muira’s Berserk. It’s the same with the mainstreamers. There’s a few of them the actually read George R.R Martin’s Song of Fire & Ice before watching Game of Thrones.
Red Wedding - ruins your life and makes you fall in love with the show even more
Battle for Winterfell - ruins your life and makes you hate the show
Bravo
the other way around for me
@@mildlyobesegoat7262 no
@@justinhaney3087 yes
@@mildlyobesegoat7262cringe
I could still remember how my heart drummed inside my chest as I watched Talisa being stabbed multiple times. And Catelyn's scream of agony and the way she just stood there, with eyes open but already dead inside made my skin crawl. I have to watch the closing theme just staring at my laptop's black screen in an extreme level of shock.
Man I couldn't believe it was happening, it was so shocking at one point I thought I was gonna get killed too lmao. It was like watching my own family get brutally murdered and trying to believe it was a dream and it wasn't actually happening. When I saw the killing was about to begin I thought it would be just slit throats but when the guy began brutally stabbing Talisa's belly... holy shit man I have seen people getting killed brutally in real life and this was still hard to watch. Also yeah the way Catelyn's eyes were wide open but you could see she was dead inside and didn't care for anything anymore gave me goosebumps.
@@ayuwoki453I was so shock I thought it was a dream or some vision. I couldn’t believe it actually happened 😭💀
@@dontcare3935 Yeah same man, it was surreal😂
"Benioff and Weiss value the logical consequences of the game"
Well, they used to...
Wait for the battle in season 8
Freddie Simmons *Benioff and Weiss have books to get scripts from
they used to have books to adapt, where is a dream of spring?
@@countgeekula3046 Well, the battle only further proved that Game of Thrones is now a fan service. I was crying...but it was all for nothing, because the characters I thought were dead turned out to be protected by plot armor. It was disgusting, episode 3, and I have 0 hopes for he next 3 episodes, and hope that this once great show can be put to rest.
@@countgeekula3046 I waited, and was dissapointed.
What got me the most was the brutality to Talisa and her unborn child. If they had at least kept her alive with the child it would’ve kept a bit of hope alive, but by killing her and the baby first before killing Rob it solidified the finality of it all.
Well, the good news is it didn’t happen in the books because Robb married a different person. Talisa was a show character only and so was the baby. Robb left his queen without a child in the book.
This deserves more views! Must have taken a lot of work to edit all those scenes together.
Thanks Hydracroc! It actually took a lot more than the time spent in most of our other videos. It was a nightmare handling the 67 episodes on Premiere.
I had to laugh at the idea that Benioff and Weiss "value the logical consequences of the game". They quite freely suspend the "logical consequences", particularly the more they're asked to make up stuff on their own, particularly in order to cheat and help the villains stick around. Look at, well, everything that happens with Cersei in Season 7, or Ramsay in Season 6.
Not to mention, Weiss and Benioff had no fucking clue what GoT's appeal even was. That's why Season 5 is pretty much just a series of attempts to shock viewers, which simply made the entire story unsatisfying. Call 6 and 7 fan fiction all you want, but at least it is satisfying. At least it feels like it is going somewhere. 5 felt like a nihilistic mass seeking to swallow all joy and convince you that hurting others is good.
If you want to know how bad they truly are as showwriters watch the Dragon demands!
Lupostehgreat I have to disagree. For all its faults season 5 has much better tone (close to the one of a feast of crows) than seasons 6 and 7 which are just bullshit and all over the place in its tone. Cool music playing and Arya saying badass lines after she literally killed dozens of people. This should be sad and terrible. Then she is having fun with Lannister soldiers.
+Colonel Green Yeah, when Mussolini tried to take on the Vatican, he had to give the pope his own country just to avoid getting lynched in the streets. But when Cersei blows the whole thing to pieces, nobody really cares. And I don't buy the argument that blowing things up frightens people into submission, either, otherwise half the Middle East would be prostrating before the US right now.
+Colonel Green
Damn right. They turned Ramsay into a hypercompetent Villain Sue who didn't suffer any consequences from breaking his promise to honor surrenders or from kinslaying his own father in front of witnesses. And they gave Cersei so much plot armor cuz they're obsessed with Lena Heady. Cersei's supposed to be an idiot who thinks she's smart when it comes to politics and plotting. She alienated her Uncle Kevan, all potential allies, and gave power to the fanatical Faith Militant. She had no power at that point. And even if Book!Cersei somehow manages to use the wildfire like the tv show, she still wouldn't make such a total comeback. She would be branded a blasphemous murderous mad queen by all the religious peasants and the powerful nobles who still wouldn't accept her as queen.
But these fucking Benioff and Weiss once said that they wanted the Lannisters to win because they like how the Lannisters are ruthless.
That’s excactly why it’s so sad that seasons 5-7 are so bad compared to seasons 1-4
Geek forlife part of it is the material that they are pulling from (AFFC, ADWD, and made up), part of it is Brandehoff and Weiss's need to attempt to replicate The Red Wedding by inserting shock after shock (Season 5 was horrific for this, with Sansa's rape by Ramsay, Barristan Selmy's completely pointless death against a throwaway villain, and Stannis choosing to burn Shireen because POWAH!), and then their reaction against that to form season 7. Honestly though, while it is not as good as 1-4, I prefer 6 and 7, at least, to the abhorrent garbage that was season 5. I was going to quit watching if 6 had continued like season 5, as a satisfying conclusion would have been unattainable with the writing philosophy behind that season (just be nihilistic as possible to try and shock viewers.).
Oh, and credit where credit is due, but Battle of The Bastards is one of the greatest episodes of a TV show ever produced.
It was well shot, I suppose, but It was really stupid and nonsensical. Very hollywoody :)
Geek forlife I can personally overlook the problems in season 5 and 6 but season 7 is truly awful.
Not really Season 6 Episode 10 surpassed many expectations. Winds of winter is one of the best episode of all tv history.
Game of thrones is a must watch if you love a good story line or lines.
GoT s1-4 *
BeThomsen yea you ducking commi
RheyaRu!z never read the books, Mister triggered
UGT UltimateGamingTaco ducking commi?
BeThomsen I meant, my lord
I got the Red Wedding spoiled in advance. I will never be able to know how it felt when you weren't expecting it.
I'm sorry man :(, that sucks. I got spoiled that Ned Stark died.
I got spoiled Red wedding AND Ned's death
@@okok-zj4lk Aw man that's horrible.
not sure if you would have wanted that. PTSD is a real thing with this episode. I've watched the entire series and this episode is a work of brutal art, but damaging to people who might be too sensitive to handle it. I thank the writers for taking a chance with this piece of TV history. Just wish that they upheld their streak and continued it with Season 8. It was rushed and greed conquered what could have been the greatest show in television history. what a damn shame
I got Danny's death spoiled
I remember the day I saw this episode. I had binged up to that point over the past one week, loving the story line and of course rooting for the good guy. This sequence though, wrecked my mood. It was the first time that a narrative of a show or movie was so immense that it had visible impact on me. I stopped watching it for a week or so, trying to overcome that shock. I now realize what a treasure that emotion was. That, for me, was entertainment at it's peak. In the truest sense of the word.
I loved your essay on it. I kind of felt what I felt, but I had not fully relished it yet. Than you for that. Subbed, liked, waiting for more quality content.
Same thing happened to me. Binged through season 3 and then took a month-long break. Thanks for the kind words and welcome to our channel :)
In other words, the world doesn't need Superman. It needs the Punisher.
2:48 David Benioff and Dan Weiss, the creators of this show, ... value the logical consequences of the game.
This didn't age well.
PalRob fuck DandD
Well Rob didn't keep his word and lost his head. And how in the hell do you trust a guy with a flayed man as his banner?
If you read the books all your doubts will be cleared. They have shown why and how the red wedding was so shocking
I think this series really has lost its way, the first four seasons are great, I think the fifth is pretty good, and season six is also great imo, despite having more predictable moments, season 7 however is a different story, it stopped focusing on the characters and more on the big fights, and fanservice
I hope more than anything that season 8 is a satisfying conclusion but part of me expects it to end with a big fight between good and bad, which is what George RR Martin intended to avoid
RheyaRu!z I don’t think it’s fan service because it’s off book, I think the fan service stuff such as the shot of the night kind riding the dragon, and most of Gendry’s inclusion feels like it was only there because we never know what happened to him, the fan service isn’t my biggest problem with the season though, that would be how rushed it feels and the writing at times is just god awful, episode five I feel was incredibly rushed and episode six was so stupid and made so little sense I would’ve preferred watching the Dorne subplot again, and finally, I hate how it used to take a few episodes for characters to get from one side of the Westeros now takes about ten to fifteen minutes
I mean, they're following GRR Martin's outline, so I think you'll be very disappointed when he finishes the books, then. This was his vision.
As for my opinion on Season 7, I thought it was easily the best since Season 4.
Well it's the end of the story, plots have to be wrapped up. Did you every really think that there wouldn't be a "great war" after hardhome? Did you not think there was gonna be a war between daenarys and whoever sits on the throne once she got her ships and army? Of course these last season's will be predictable, we've had a decade to predict it.
Mr Incredibles dong there's nothing wrong with that the show provided characterization and drama the first six seasons but at some point the climactic battles that were doomed to happen have to happen at some point
season 1-6 were great, too bad 7 felt so simple. Its still entertaining but its not nearly as great as the earlier seasons.
Wait till you see season 8
Oddly enough, The Red Wedding was the first scene I ever saw of this show because of the reactions to it. I read the books recently and though I knew it was coming, the scene still pained me. It was the most visceral thing I had ever read.
I gasped so loud when I first saw this scene...then I had to take a break from binge watching. This is my favorite episode because it’s so shocking.
At least it ruined our lives in a good way. Now look at what they've done in season 8
yay I new video, I just found you recently. But I love your videos so much. The editing is so good!!
Technically the promise to marry Walder’s daughter came from Catelyn. Granted she had no way of conveying that agreement to Robb until it had already been made.
While the Starks are all about honor, I think love has an equally important place within them as well. Robb loved Talisa, and he loved her long before the promise was ever made.
Catelyn tried to play the game by striking that deal with Walder, the problem being that it was inevitably going to backfire from the moment she made it.
Blaming Robb is giving him a responsibility and expectation that he was never beholden to.
Blaming Catelyn is unfortunately not misguided, though she never could have imagined in her worst nightmare this outcome; she clearly trusted Walder more than she should’ve. Is it right to burden her with the events of the Red Wedding given what she meant to accomplish and went through?
House Frey was won over by the lion, and the lion doesn’t play fair. Don’t blame Robb or Catelyn. Blame the ones who orchestrated it and gave the order, Walder Frey, Roose Bolton, and Tywin Lannister.
That last monologue was fuckin brutal. Good job.
Excellent video. Not just informative, but you succeeded in letting me dive back into the feelings I had when watching the show. The perfect choice of soundtrack definitely helped. Thanks!!
Thank you! It was very fun to make :)
I still remember how much shocked, terrified and emotionally wrecked I was when I watched the red wedding episode ... too bad GOT never had that again in the last season of it. That truly was a masterpiece.
I was on alone on Christmas day, in bed ill, with diarrhea.
'But it's okay' I thought,
'I have the next episode of Game Of Thrones to watch'....
:D
Well, I never forgot that Christmas.
I think it's a shame that GOTs seasons 6 and 7 turned into pure fan service...
Veit Dalee yea, but i kinda get it. they had 5 seasons where the vast majority of characters weren’t safe, kinda makes sense what’s left is what the show writers want to stick with and make it as satisfying to the mass audience as possible.
...and into pure bullshit. i just want to forget s5-7. (except for some epsiodes).
GoT was the first and only show (and in general) where i got a piece of paper and wrote everything down that i hated because it made me so so angry
Simon Birch It's not satisfying at all! It changes the game... There is actually no more game, it's a soap opera now.
Not sure how it was fan service...
And I'm surprised some haven't like seasons 5-7. They're really quite good. Sure, not as good as some earlier seasons, but still... very good television. Not sure what can make somebody like BeThomson so angry. It's just a tv show. Nothing to be angry about.
"just a tv show". why do we even watch shows and movies then?
compared to the earllier season its just a spit on the face. its so horrible written that i dont understand how you can not hate it.
I love the show because it basically broke every plot law. Since GoT killed off half the cast, other shows try to copy it just for drama reasons while misunderstanding why GRRM did it.
You got only one thing wrong; "In the end, the good guys always win"
Not on this show.... I have a feeling on what's coming and you won't like it^^
exactly, I was expecting him to finish with "the good guys always win....... or do they?"
I'm pretty sure that at the end he was saying all of those things sarcastically, like how he says that love conquers all at the same time he shows the scene exactly where love didn't conquer all
MCP/ChronicBuzz Game of Thrones is able to kill major characters because it makes sure to build up ALL of them. Once a big character dies, there is a consequence caused by their death that pushes the story forward and forces some of the other characters to develop and react a a certain way. That is why GOT can make their shocking deaths work so well while shows like Walking Dead just loses more fanbase when they kill fan favorites.
the recent seasons have been shit though. They are killing people for shock value now, and no other good reason
Roxanne Anders Yeah, Ned Stark's death was like the Waynes or Uncle Ben for the Starks. It was their origin story.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!! More please! Yes and thank you!
Great analysis, perfect editing. Loved this video, hope you get to do more on the show, even if you look at other themes from earlier seasons - not necessarily season 8.
It was done so well that it still stirs emotions. I can remember just looking at the credits trying to comprehend what I had just watched.
Keep up the excellent work guys. Great essay on GoT!
A couple of more clues from the book. Frey didn't offer guest right until Catelyn asked for the salt and bread. Also, she made a note of how bad the musicians were. She didn't realize they weren't actually musicians. And at least one of the Freys was in such a bad mood he rudely rebuked an offer to dance and stalked off before crap went down. The girl that asked him was one of the Bear Island warrior daughters and she ended up getting an axe in the belly. It was pretty shocking.
It's been awhile since I read the book, so take this with a grain of salt... and bread.
Fantastic editing!!! Excellent video and analysis
This was beautifully done! Thank you so much!
I remember feeling so uneasy whenever Arya showed happiness and or anticipation to be reunited with Rob and her mom...it felt like oh no...she is going to be let down again...
Its crazy this is still the same show runners... with shit like "Beyond the Wall" and cringey scenes ripped right out of Disney's "How to train your Dragon"
....How to train your Dragon is from Dreamworks
Lmfao thanks for clarifying that...
That shitty scene was like it was ripped out of DREAMWORKS "How to train your Dragon".
Happy...?
Wow... this still gives me chills.
Great video! Subbed!
Can't/won't wait for more! Keep up the great work.
Subbed. Brilliant video. Please make more. PS: Large part of the credit should go to GRRM. His writing is pristine, and D&D only fed off it till they passed the books, and thus the decline of the show.
In real life, there are moments where breaking an oath or the law has a huge payoff.
And prisons and history are full of people who misjudged that moment and suffered the rest of their (often short) lives for it.
They keep trying because those who chose the right moment became wealthy and powerful enough to avoid the costs.
Just watching this video months later. Powerful, well explained and well done.
This video was so well put together
"Show creators value the logical consequences of the game."
No, they don't. It was George, now he's not involved in the show production and seasons 5, 6, 7 prove that they don't care about anything making a lick of sense.
George is a co-executive producer for the entire show. He just stopped writing episodes after season 4.
The show runners do value logical consequences. Sansa leaves with Litterfinger, and he marries her to Ramsay, which George didn't have an influence on.
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Yeah man...Littlefinger marrying of Sansa, Littlefinger who knows most of the info in the Seven Kingdoms marries off his new love of his life to a complete maniac. ~ They just didn't want to include another character so they made Sansa fill in for Jeyne Pool.
Littlefinger died because the showrunners have no idea how to write for this character.
@@WritingGeekNL I think they killed him off as a consequence of his previous actions...
He instigated Roberts Rebellion.
Started the Lannister-Stark war.
Sent a mercenary to kill Bran.
Tried to get Sansa and Arya to kill each other.
Littlefinger should have been killed the day that Bran arrived in Winterfell since he knew all of this already.
I have already made plans to freak out half my guests at my wedding. Rains of Castamere playing at the reception, me and my hubby leaving and my uncle closing the door and sitting next to my mom.
She's gonna shit herself 😂
Great, well-written and clear video essay!
Awesome video man I'm glad I discovered you you just earned a new subscriber
Great essay, it's a shame that GOT is a Hollywood fanfic now
Season 7 was Fan Service af!
RheyaRu!z yea right
Couldn't be further from the truth. It's still very much quality television.
Gladayo ? Actually it's not. It's cannon, and you need to get over that. I'm sorry it's not ending with Littlefinger on the throne, or whatever the fuck.
Lupostehgreat grrm said it himself that books are canon not the show
"value the logical consequences of the game", D&D kinda forgot about it
This editing is perfect. You earned a sub
just hearing the rains of castamere, and reading the title has me wanting to break down into tears.
that is very lazy interpretation. 'Honor gets you killed and leaving morals aside leads to survival' literally every person that watches the show thinks this way and they start doing similar things in life also. The reason Rob was killed was because HE DID NOT FOLLOW THE HONOR OF HIS FATHER and did not marry Frey girl as promised, the outcome would be vastly different IF ROB FOLLOWED THE HONOR CODE. When you say Tywin was not Honorable, that is also incorrect statement. Lannister always pays their debt is the key to their honor, they stick with it and people know that and ally with them and that is why they are successful.
Infact, pretty much every character in the show suffered cause they failed to follow their honor code.
you have to consider tho that, at least in the books, Robb marries Jeyne Westerling bc he doesn't want a repeat of what his father did to his mother- he didn't want to repeat what his father inevitably did by raising jon among 'true starks' and he didn't want to compromise Jeyne's honor bc she was with child and he didn't want that baby to grow up like his 'half-brother'
it's made quite clear, that he married her to preserve her honor meaning it was honor that technically killed him. he didn't have to marry jeyne, he could have let her have his baby and either deny that they ever had relations or claim the child as his bastard without making jeyne his wife but he didn't bc he didn't want to repeat Ned's mistakes
I have already accepted end of season 4 as a finale of the show.
It's a pretty good ending; Tyrion escapes execution after killing his Father. The Wall is defended from the wildling invasion with the aid of Stannis, but Jon loses Ygritte in the ensuing battle. Sansa establishes herself a new place in the Vale under the tutelage of Littlefinger. Arya leaves Westeros behind her to sail for Braavos. Daenerys learns the harsh realities of ruling and is forced to chain her dragons to ensure the safety of her subjects. Bran finally reaches the home of the Three-Eyed Raven to begin his lessons in green-seeing.
It would have been good to end there.
Why
KingOfSciliy I think S6 finale would be a better series finale
Nah season 6 with Jon becoming King in the North, Dany sailing to Westeros and Cersei becoming queen.
Just watched this for the first time yesterday with no prep, never had any spoilers and didn’t read the books. I was screaming at the tv and it turned into a full on emotional breakdown.
All your videos are fantastic.. great stuff xoxo
In hindsight Robb's death should have been seen a mile away.
Every non-military choice he made was wrong and there was a clear trajectory of his decline prior to his death.
Yep. Actions have consequences and it was a nice kick in the face reminder that "good guys" don't get plot armor when they fuck up in real life.
Game of thrones is one of my favorite TV series of all time, if you haven't seen Hannibal you should watch and if you have you should make a video on it, it is a masterpiece.
Video is amazingly edited❤️
Really well made video. Smashed that like button!
A few days ago I read that part in the third volume and I think that both versions the show, and the words of Martin have their own perspectives and both are so fucking good and so fucking sad and ominous
Remember when GOT used to be this great? (Yeah season 8 just aired, how can you tell?)
"If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." So fucking cool.
Very well put together. Got me all emotional
"The writers of the show value the logical consequences of the game."
Funny thing to say in 2018
What about now🙃
Welp, time to go rewatch GoT again..
SliceofMaria agreed
Watch vikings till game of thrones comes out trust me
Yep but only until episode 4
Excellent. Look forward to more Game of Thrones content from this channel
What a great video! gave me goosebumps
Thank you, really appreciated!
this scene is more bloodier than the show itself and books
beautiful video, man.
Thanks rafi.
Thank you for using the music from the show
It couldn't happen without it!
Door closes a little too loud... You know SOMETHING is up.... then you see his chain-mail sleeve, her reaction, and his reaction to her reaction.
"Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than just a dozen at dinner."
- Tywin Lannister after the Red Wedding
The battle of winterfell should've been like this, but alas, D&D are not GRRM
Good point about the change in narrative after tRW--I would have liked to hear more about an analysis of the narratives that followed, though.
That might be included in another essay 😏. Thanks Jen!!
Love the analysis. You got a new subscriber. Can't wait to see your other videos to come. This will definitely fill the gap until 2019 for S8.
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Thank you and welcome to our channel :)
You earned a sub just off the strength of this one video. Excellent work.
Wow that really was awesome.
This was an amazing video, I'm going to subscribe :)
Good use of "Goodbye Brother" Love that soundtrack
Red wedding didn't ruin my life rather than it shocked me and fascinated me as i had never seen that before. It was brutally real as well as heart braking and made the show ground braking.
Sigh. We miss this. RIP Game of Thrones.
:(
I remember being in shock watching this scene...like it was abrupt and no raging music score to build it..it was literally like flipping a coin.