Hi Ben! I appreciate you doing all these build presentations. Thank you. I love a good debate. Like on 9:12 you suggest to wait for 18 SPP for a stat up for a werewolf. Wich is great, yet it's more expensive than it used to be to take +AG or +ST. +ST now being at 80k makes it equivalent of the value of a average lineman with a primary picked skill. If one thing I have learned about Blood Bowl is that Block and Dodge are Tier S skills because the have an effect on both players turns. Guard does this as well but now (on defense only) be countered by Defensive agility skill, just like Dodge and Block are countered with Tackle and Wrestle, respectively. So I would be more happy to take Blodge first on my pricey (125k) positional to protect my investment. And then save up for 24 SPP to become a true star player in the next league. Because realistically that much SPP is not what I expect to grab in one league season local table top. I would totally save up for a stat increase on my ball handlers: werewolves and ghouls. Just having ST4 on the ball carrier or AG 2+ is game winning in it's own coupled with Blodge. Sprinkle in some guard on the wraiths and one golem, add some block on second golem and zombo's for the line. Wrestle I don't like as much on low MA players. I would however appreciate a stat upgrade on a block zombo. Just having AV 10+ makes him that much better take punches, what he's made for. And with +AV only at 10k that Block AV 10+ Regen piece costs 70k. Yeah I'm up for some long league play if I want to play werewolves. So you're right that they are great for online leagues where you can play that more games. I love speaking to you. Thanks and Namaste
Dude, I Love this break down!! Thank you! Actually Blodge-wolf *then* saving up the SPPs is brilliant; Blodge is even going to help with a few incidental casualties and extra TDs! I really love a cheeky Wrestle Zombie though, dragging a star to the ground on defence ready for a free foul the next turn has always been brilliant!
@@BoneheadPodcast yeah, that's why I totally would gamble some random primaries on zombies. Might get a decent skill out of it more than half of the time. And only Nuffle knows if the zombie will live long enough to get to 6 SPP, unless you are using steered MVP.
I also like Jump Up on the Werewolf. More speed and when he is prone even then the oppoment counts how far away he has to be even from the prone one so even then he covers a big part of the pitch. The wolfes are very feared.😊
as a necromantic player, i will leave my opinion and goal if you are interested to read this. flesh golem is the least value for amount spent out of all the positionals on the team, they are nearly 3x the cost of a lineman for more tankyness. the wraiths are the most value for dollar spent and when building a new team, i always get 2, and if possible, rehire wraiths from previous leagues if at 3rd rank or lower, their negatrait is worth it to help them focus into a more of a fighter position and they are really good at it. and of course the werewolf, the star player, gotta have one but i find a large diminished return when purchasing the second as i believe its because of the lack of blitzing available for the second werewolf to activate in a given turn as it seems they are best when they are making a long range rage to the face icbm block. my preferred starting roster for league would be 2x wraith 2x werewolf 7x zombie and 4 reroll, but since the team pack only comes with 6 zombies, my alternative choice is 5x zombie 2x ghoul runners 2x wraith 1x flesh golem 1x werewolf and 3x reroll. as skill building zombie - 1kick/dirty player, ghoul - 1sneaky git 2dirty player, flesh golem - 1guard 2block, wraith - 1mighty blow 2takle 3dodge 4guard, and the WEREWOLF - 1pro 2block 3mighty blow 4strength+/movement+ 5tackle(if strength chosen previously otherwise>)jump up/dauntless/sprint 6random. the list of skill that i have put with each position only goes as long as i plan to keep that player so yes i want to get a werewolf all the way to the final rank experience level this team like i said in my opnion is to be the most lethal team in any given league, EVERYONE is to fear you, you will kill for zombies with the power of st3, foul more than you opponent with your vast amount of dirty players.for every successful Armour penetration its 1:48 chance and with dirty player or mighty blow modifiers make that 1:28.8 chance to kill. im glad they made death more likely now :D
I'd be curious to see how this team builds with Surfing and Control specifically in mind. Just as a hypothetical we ignore ball-related skills and entirely focus on clearing the pitch. Could be interesting.
Hey, thanks for the content. I have a question regarding the Werewolf: Since you have Runner-Ghouls, Blocker/Guard-Wraith and 'Meat', what do you think about a Sacker-Wolf with Juggernaut and Strip Ball. I thought they may combo pretty well with a Guard Wraith.
As always a great presentation and I agree with basically everything you said. Here's one question to the comments: I'm currently running Necromantic in a league where my division has six teams. I already won my first match against Khorne and my Werewolf received Block. Next up are Chaos Dwarves. The remaining three opponents will be Skaven, Lizardmen and Pro Elf. For those three matches, I really want a player with Tackle on my roster. I am tending to put it on a Ghoul after my next match. I know, that's unconventional. But my reasoning is that (i) a Ghoul will be the next player to level up, (ii) it is actually quite decent for blitzing, since it cannot be prevented from moving as easily as other pieces due to inherent Dodge (I actually did use them in this way during the first match to stop breakaway ballcarriers), (iii) my Wights, who would also be good candidates for this skill will probably only level up once during this league and I really, really want them to have Guard. So what do you think: Tackle on a Ghoul (+) or (-)?
@@Kmwallace90 They have actually done a super job of making almost all of the teams interesting! But UW is probably my favourite upgrade! Snotlings and Rogre!
Don't know about the rules, but the sure do look fun to paint! Also, have you painted the nobles? I really enjoyed painting them. Made the feathers Phoenix feathers.
Oh awesome!! I won't be attempting anything as exciting as Phoenix feathers - I've got mine built and based them last night, going for a Miami Dolphins blue/green!
Hey! New coach here. I'm gonna play a Necromantic Coach who last time absolutely crippled my fiancé's dash team (5 injuries - two of them stat reductions, 1 dead) and played really dirty (lots of fouls). I'm going into the game with a little bit of retribution on my mind. Ideally, I want to take out or cripple his werewolf (he's got block now in addition to everything else). What's the best way of going about it? First take out the rest of the team? Go for the wolf as soon as I can? Foul a lot? Also happy to take out others, he's got 2 ghouls, 2 Fleshgolems, and 2 wraiths. Any tips? Playing Lizardmen, 1 Crox, 4 Saurus, so I got a strength advantage, and am close in speed. Not much in the way of skills yet. Thanks!
I’d be much more inclined to take Block rather than Wrestle on a zombie, just due to their low MA, having them on the ground could end up leaving them out of the action. But it could definitely punish blockers on the opponent’s team on their turn if they 1/9
Oh totally! I was thinking with Wrestle that tagging a big guy or positional and having the Zombie drag it down can be pretty useful! But yeah, Block keeps them up and in position!
@@BoneheadPodcast I could definitely see it as a big guy marker actually. They didn’t typically have block before, but with the new progression, I think there’ll be a LOT more 😂 and with MA2-MA6, they won’t get far off the ground
Apologies for going off topic but I', experiencing a known bug with BB2 on XBox Onewhere eternal league games don't save any more. I've been deleting the saved replays which initially fixed the bug, but that is no longer working either. Apologies again for being off topic but has anyone got a work around?
Hey Steve! Sorry bud, I can't help with this one, but I've been seeing a lot of complaints about BB2 on FB at the moment - wonder if they've stopped maintaining it pending BB3?!
Can't wait to play necro (proxy but still) in a league! I think the wraiths are underrated, give them guard and they are the most annoying pieces in the game for your opponent, with sidestep and foul appearance on top of block Note on break tackle : you said BT would mean a 2+ dodge for FG and zombies, but it would be a 3+ only. On the other hand, BT on the wraiths is a 2+ dodge, so that will be my 2nd skill on them (1 guard, the other one tackle, then BT for the mobility)
I have to admit that I was too blinded by the no hands on a team with only access to 4 AG 3 players. But when I played Necromantic during the last World Cup I didn't recall ever using them to carry the ball anyway. The fact that Side-Step is very annoying on guard makes up for that. Foul Appearance only makes it worse to try to block the guard piece. Combined with Stand Firm Guard ST4 Golem can really frustrate the opponent.
I bought this team just because I liked the way it looks. Looking at the team though I see the wraiths taking forever to skill up since they have no hands. Your relying on CAS and MVPs only. Yeah, don't think I would ever choose to wait for 18spp for a stat up vs. blodge!
I got the team fot both looks and diversity of positionals. Theres a blitzer, a runner, a brawler and a frenzy mofo. Linemen are meh, but that's why they cost 40k and I'm not sorry for feeding them to mark a big guy. Played 5 games in my local pre league, gonna take them int the main league certainly in favour of my dark elves (which have horrendous case of bad luck, It is becoming a meme locally). I started with 3 rr and no golems roster, wanted more speed for quicker TD's at the beginning.
I always random my zombies, 10k value for quite a lot of good or decent skills. You keep getting free zombies from killing the other team, and if not it's 40k for a new one. One of my zombies got the great combo of Sure Hands and Shadowing... I think he'll be having an off-pitch accident pretty soon.
@@trashfire9641 Necromantic team has the "Masters of Undeath" special rule which gives an Necromancer instead of Apothecary. Once per game they can "Raise the dead", found on page 106 in the new rulebook :)
Hi Ben!
I appreciate you doing all these build presentations. Thank you.
I love a good debate.
Like on 9:12 you suggest to wait for 18 SPP for a stat up for a werewolf. Wich is great, yet it's more expensive than it used to be to take +AG or +ST.
+ST now being at 80k makes it equivalent of the value of a average lineman with a primary picked skill.
If one thing I have learned about Blood Bowl is that Block and Dodge are Tier S skills because the have an effect on both players turns. Guard does this as well but now (on defense only) be countered by Defensive agility skill, just like Dodge and Block are countered with Tackle and Wrestle, respectively.
So I would be more happy to take Blodge first on my pricey (125k) positional to protect my investment. And then save up for 24 SPP to become a true star player in the next league. Because realistically that much SPP is not what I expect to grab in one league season local table top.
I would totally save up for a stat increase on my ball handlers: werewolves and ghouls. Just having ST4 on the ball carrier or AG 2+ is game winning in it's own coupled with Blodge.
Sprinkle in some guard on the wraiths and one golem, add some block on second golem and zombo's for the line. Wrestle I don't like as much on low MA players.
I would however appreciate a stat upgrade on a block zombo. Just having AV 10+ makes him that much better take punches, what he's made for. And with +AV only at 10k that Block AV 10+ Regen piece costs 70k.
Yeah I'm up for some long league play if I want to play werewolves. So you're right that they are great for online leagues where you can play that more games.
I love speaking to you.
Thanks and Namaste
Pinned for greatness!
Dude, I Love this break down!! Thank you!
Actually Blodge-wolf *then* saving up the SPPs is brilliant; Blodge is even going to help with a few incidental casualties and extra TDs!
I really love a cheeky Wrestle Zombie though, dragging a star to the ground on defence ready for a free foul the next turn has always been brilliant!
@@BoneheadPodcast yeah, that's why I totally would gamble some random primaries on zombies.
Might get a decent skill out of it more than half of the time.
And only Nuffle knows if the zombie will live long enough to get to 6 SPP, unless you are using steered MVP.
adding mighty blow to werewolves will be a great combo with claws for taking out big guys.
I also like Jump Up on the Werewolf. More speed and when he is prone even then the oppoment counts how far away he has to be even from the prone one so even then he covers a big part of the pitch.
The wolfes are very feared.😊
as a necromantic player, i will leave my opinion and goal if you are interested to read this. flesh golem is the least value for amount spent out of all the positionals on the team, they are nearly 3x the cost of a lineman for more tankyness. the wraiths are the most value for dollar spent and when building a new team, i always get 2, and if possible, rehire wraiths from previous leagues if at 3rd rank or lower, their negatrait is worth it to help them focus into a more of a fighter position and they are really good at it. and of course the werewolf, the star player, gotta have one but i find a large diminished return when purchasing the second as i believe its because of the lack of blitzing available for the second werewolf to activate in a given turn as it seems they are best when they are making a long range rage to the face icbm block. my preferred starting roster for league would be 2x wraith 2x werewolf 7x zombie and 4 reroll, but since the team pack only comes with 6 zombies, my alternative choice is 5x zombie 2x ghoul runners 2x wraith 1x flesh golem 1x werewolf and 3x reroll.
as skill building zombie - 1kick/dirty player, ghoul - 1sneaky git 2dirty player, flesh golem - 1guard 2block, wraith - 1mighty blow 2takle 3dodge 4guard, and the WEREWOLF - 1pro 2block 3mighty blow 4strength+/movement+ 5tackle(if strength chosen previously otherwise>)jump up/dauntless/sprint 6random. the list of skill that i have put with each position only goes as long as i plan to keep that player so yes i want to get a werewolf all the way to the final rank experience level
this team like i said in my opnion is to be the most lethal team in any given league, EVERYONE is to fear you, you will kill for zombies with the power of st3, foul more than you opponent with your vast amount of dirty players.for every successful Armour penetration its 1:48 chance and with dirty player or mighty blow modifiers make that 1:28.8 chance to kill. im glad they made death more likely now :D
Ditto ... "my alternative choice is 5x zombie 2x ghoul runners 2x wraith 1x flesh golem 1x werewolf and 3x reroll."
Played a game of necro vs black orks and the wraiths were amazing
I agree that Wraiths are amazing.
Foul appearance is handy, sidestep and block make them really useful for setting up advantageous blocks.
Wraiths have been great in my games too
I'd be curious to see how this team builds with Surfing and Control specifically in mind. Just as a hypothetical we ignore ball-related skills and entirely focus on clearing the pitch. Could be interesting.
Oof yeah! I think we need to get brewing!
Just had a random thought while watching. The golem modelled with the brain showing doesn't exactly scream thick skull. Lol
Hahahaha!! So true xD
Hey, thanks for the content. I have a question regarding the Werewolf: Since you have Runner-Ghouls, Blocker/Guard-Wraith and 'Meat', what do you think about a Sacker-Wolf with Juggernaut and Strip Ball. I thought they may combo pretty well with a Guard Wraith.
As always a great presentation and I agree with basically everything you said. Here's one question to the comments: I'm currently running Necromantic in a league where my division has six teams. I already won my first match against Khorne and my Werewolf received Block. Next up are Chaos Dwarves. The remaining three opponents will be Skaven, Lizardmen and Pro Elf. For those three matches, I really want a player with Tackle on my roster. I am tending to put it on a Ghoul after my next match. I know, that's unconventional. But my reasoning is that (i) a Ghoul will be the next player to level up, (ii) it is actually quite decent for blitzing, since it cannot be prevented from moving as easily as other pieces due to inherent Dodge (I actually did use them in this way during the first match to stop breakaway ballcarriers), (iii) my Wights, who would also be good candidates for this skill will probably only level up once during this league and I really, really want them to have Guard. So what do you think: Tackle on a Ghoul (+) or (-)?
Go with wrestle then tackle, great sacker. If u get a 3rd skill strip ball
Have a wolf in my league currently he has block, dodge and MA9 he nuts. In semi finals now and trying to get that sweet 4th level to make it a legend
Thus looks like my favorite team
I have really high hopes for Necro! Their players are going to feel like stars really quickly!
@@BoneheadPodcast same! This and surprisingly underworld look like really exciting teams.
@@Kmwallace90 They have actually done a super job of making almost all of the teams interesting! But UW is probably my favourite upgrade! Snotlings and Rogre!
@@BoneheadPodcast idk if I’ll use the rogre, but invading the pit with snotlings while I throw my mutated goblins at people sounds too good to be true
😂😂😂 best game **in the world**
Don't know about the rules, but the sure do look fun to paint!
Also, have you painted the nobles? I really enjoyed painting them. Made the feathers Phoenix feathers.
Oh awesome!! I won't be attempting anything as exciting as Phoenix feathers - I've got mine built and based them last night, going for a Miami Dolphins blue/green!
First Zombie always gets kick. Love DP on the rest. My first team and still one of my favorites. That side step/guard combo is gross.
Hey!
New coach here. I'm gonna play a Necromantic Coach who last time absolutely crippled my fiancé's dash team (5 injuries - two of them stat reductions, 1 dead) and played really dirty (lots of fouls). I'm going into the game with a little bit of retribution on my mind. Ideally, I want to take out or cripple his werewolf (he's got block now in addition to everything else). What's the best way of going about it? First take out the rest of the team? Go for the wolf as soon as I can? Foul a lot?
Also happy to take out others, he's got 2 ghouls, 2 Fleshgolems, and 2 wraiths.
Any tips? Playing Lizardmen, 1 Crox, 4 Saurus, so I got a strength advantage, and am close in speed. Not much in the way of skills yet.
Thanks!
I’d be much more inclined to take Block rather than Wrestle on a zombie, just due to their low MA, having them on the ground could end up leaving them out of the action. But it could definitely punish blockers on the opponent’s team on their turn if they 1/9
Oh totally! I was thinking with Wrestle that tagging a big guy or positional and having the Zombie drag it down can be pretty useful! But yeah, Block keeps them up and in position!
@@BoneheadPodcast I could definitely see it as a big guy marker actually. They didn’t typically have block before, but with the new progression, I think there’ll be a LOT more 😂 and with MA2-MA6, they won’t get far off the ground
Apologies for going off topic but I', experiencing a known bug with BB2 on XBox Onewhere eternal league games don't save any more. I've been deleting the saved replays which initially fixed the bug, but that is no longer working either. Apologies again for being off topic but has anyone got a work around?
Hey Steve! Sorry bud, I can't help with this one, but I've been seeing a lot of complaints about BB2 on FB at the moment - wonder if they've stopped maintaining it pending BB3?!
@@BoneheadPodcast That's frustrating if that's the case. Making saves dependent on a working server is so frustrating!!!!
@@BoneheadPodcast Which Fb group are the complaints I can't see any on BB video game page at a glance
Can't wait to play necro (proxy but still) in a league! I think the wraiths are underrated, give them guard and they are the most annoying pieces in the game for your opponent, with sidestep and foul appearance on top of block
Note on break tackle : you said BT would mean a 2+ dodge for FG and zombies, but it would be a 3+ only. On the other hand, BT on the wraiths is a 2+ dodge, so that will be my 2nd skill on them (1 guard, the other one tackle, then BT for the mobility)
I would agree that Wraiths are underrated.
I have to admit that I was too blinded by the no hands on a team with only access to 4 AG 3 players.
But when I played Necromantic during the last World Cup I didn't recall ever using them to carry the ball anyway.
The fact that Side-Step is very annoying on guard makes up for that. Foul Appearance only makes it worse to try to block the guard piece. Combined with Stand Firm Guard ST4 Golem can really frustrate the opponent.
I bought this team just because I liked the way it looks. Looking at the team though I see the wraiths taking forever to skill up since they have no hands. Your relying on CAS and MVPs only.
Yeah, don't think I would ever choose to wait for 18spp for a stat up vs. blodge!
Haha, hopefully 1 CAS and a good MVP roll - straight into Blodge madness!!
Yeah, I think we could see Stat-ups later on (maybe 3/4th upgrade)!
I got the team fot both looks and diversity of positionals. Theres a blitzer, a runner, a brawler and a frenzy mofo. Linemen are meh, but that's why they cost 40k and I'm not sorry for feeding them to mark a big guy. Played 5 games in my local pre league, gonna take them int the main league certainly in favour of my dark elves (which have horrendous case of bad luck, It is becoming a meme locally).
I started with 3 rr and no golems roster, wanted more speed for quicker TD's at the beginning.
Break tackle gives Golums a 3+ dodge in the new rules not 2+ quoted so I would personally never take it.
Oops, I blame Frank 'N' Stein!! (Thanks Matthew)
Amazons next please
I always random my zombies, 10k value for quite a lot of good or decent skills. You keep getting free zombies from killing the other team, and if not it's 40k for a new one.
One of my zombies got the great combo of Sure Hands and Shadowing... I think he'll be having an off-pitch accident pretty soon.
Hahaha! Fantastic! :D
I'm sorry, how do you get free zombies when killing opponents team? Isn't that Nurgle's Rot?
I'm not aware of Necromantic having this skill....
@@trashfire9641 Necromantic team has the "Masters of Undeath" special rule which gives an Necromancer instead of Apothecary. Once per game they can "Raise the dead", found on page 106 in the new rulebook :)
@@AFAndersen Oh sweet! So does the necromancer cost 50k same as apothocary?
@@trashfire9641 No, he's free because he's also the head coach! (Just don't get sent-off before you can raise anyone ^^)
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