Im 38 and have been running heavy equipment most of my adult life. Mainly excavators, dozers, grappler's, telehanders. I start a new job on monday clearing out new oilfield pads. Boss man asked me if i want to learn the scraper and blade. I almost cried because its only two i haven't operated. This seems extremely intimidating. Thats a lot levers and stuff ive never heard of. Send me "good vibes" because this completely different then what im use too. Stay safe out there, and much love for the video
It's not bad. Just don't be scared of the machine and make sure you watch your cutting edge to see when dirt is going in your bowl. That's how you know when to stop pushing your bowl down until you can grasp how it feels when your digging.
There's a lot of them old T-Rex scrapers in your part of the country you don't want to try one of them trust me they don't have one lick of coolness them damn old cats do an old cat 637 will drag circles around the T-Rex
Jeff, this is a valuable video. There's clearly quite a lot to learn when it comes to operating push pull machines. You don't want distractions, especially in the big old girls you drive. I'm looking to get my butt in a scraper sometime in the next year. I just need to get a start, and I'm working on a foreman at the moment. His company runs 6 x 621G's and they also have 2 x 627G's. I'm hoping to sweet talk my way into getting a bit of time in a 621. Everybody wants experienced operators. Getting a start as a middle aged man is hard. I don't want to spend the last 15 years of my working life on a shovel in a trench. I love these earth moving machines, and moving earth is what I want to do for the rest of my working life. I think working a scraper is realistic. I'm too old to start learning a grader. Those things take many years of practice to operate really well. A scraper, or maybe even an excavator, is a realistic goal. I really like your channel, it's become one of my favourites in the last month or two. Please don't change. You're doing everything right with your channel. Les from Canberra, Australia.
All of the equipment I've run through the years this is one I've not been on, and after watching this......... not sure if I'm sad or glad ! 😊 Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
That was awesome, Jeff! Thanks so much for explaining some of that! I want more! Like what's different between each of your scrapers regarding controls? Really, anything about all that is very interesting to me! I love learning new stuff so, keep em comin! Thanks for the video!
I have watched your other videos while you both were operating and wondered about what the reasons were for needing two scrapers hooked together. I thought that two hooked together would allow four power packs to provide power and eight tires to load the... first scraper and then to load the rear scraper. Makes perfect logic. Your tutorial explained the operation very well. When I grow up I wanna
Back in the 70's, I was working on a large dam and operating a CAT 631 with side extenders. The machine could haul 36 cubic yards of dirt about 25 MPH. In the cut we had several D-9 push CATS with Cushing blades to push the pans to load. There were 25 pans hauling at any given time up to two miles from cut to drop.
Great inside look at how to operate these girls, it is an old school art. Never driven them but worked with plenty. Scrapers and Tractors & Boxes are making a comeback here in England.
I used to run a cat d8 cable scraper when I was in my 20s and you don't really understand how hard the old guys had it until you run the old iron then you have so much appreciation for new air conditioned cabs and hydraulics
Just watched the 10/03/2023 posted video, and saw your comment to a viewer, and referring them to this video. Not sure how I ever missed watching this video from 4yrs ago. Wow, “so easy a caveman could do it”…, hahaha…, “not”. There is a whole flurry of activity going on in that operator seat, that nobody knows about, holy cow Jeff. And I suspect one doesn’t learn that all in a hour. Great informational video Jeff, Thank you sir.
Not that I'm probably ever going to need to know how to run one of those contraptions, but I've always enjoyed learning things like this anyhow. Thanks for the video.
What if the zombie apocolypse happens and you don't know how to run one, then you will be like those people on ???????? I can't even remember the name of the show, I quit watching it, I'm like.....go get an excavator or a frontend loader or a snowplow or a snowblower, or go to the tank farm and get a fuel truck I yelled as loud as I could but they wouldn't listen to me
Dam that was fun. I love those Cat vehicles and the skilled trade men that run them. I never dreamed there was so much going on running a scraper. These guys make big moola!
Used to drive a scraper in the Army Engineers. Our beasts were built differently than these so I always wondered. We used dozers to push scrapers the cut. I can remember once having to drive our scraper 60 miles down country roads because we couldn’t find a route that’s didn’t have low hanging power lines
steven heckert i went to work with my dad riding on the equipment he operated from the time I was in diapers. He was surprised when I joined the army engineers. Ft Leonard wood! Those were the days!
Comrade paydirt! Very interesting vidja, informative and entertaining. Love the smoke shots in there too:) keep up the good working comrade and thanking you for sharing. As always my friend, DRINK MORE VODKAS!
My pops has been a scraper operator and has operated various other heavy equipment since his mid 20s. He’s now 50 and he still gets excited teaching me the ropes I should’ve done this earlier its fun as heck.
I've run them all the 627G is pretty decent scraper. I think the best scraper cat ever made was the 627F had enough horse to get a load and they would jump out of the ground and enough power to get up and go with a load.
Thank you for the video Jeff. Like playing a piano, just like a mistro!!! It's a work of heart .when you've got a good team of operators, there's nothing that will move material faster. Dad use to say ,you have to be careful when using the rear motor and turning . Take care 😎👍🇬🇧.
Gee,10 hours of doing that every day would be so much fun.They would have to carry me away in a basket after a day on one of those.Thanks for showing us.Shows how much it takes to be a dirt mover.Nice smooth ride too!!
Jay, I really enjoy watching your channel keep up the good work. From a Maryland road/ utility contractor. I used to work around these cowboys back in the seventies, very rare to see these anymore around here. JV
Digginok sent me here! Where I come from everyone calls that machine a pan. Nice video! Great job getting the shots and narrating what you are doing and why you are doing it.
You have a great channel here Mr. Digginok was correct about that! I really enjoy Frank's channel it is my favorite on all of youtube. I would like to take this chance to thank you for all the help you sent Frank's way.
Damn dude this is the perfect video. I'm now sending this to everyone who asks what a scraper is, and what it does. (besides saying I move mountains lol still the best pick up line when a girl asks what you do for a living.)
Excellent video👍....one of the few machines I never got a go at, wouldn't mind a few days at it.....having said that I'll stick to my comfort zone and stay with excavators.
Hi I'm a pretty new subscriber, I watched this kind of same video on one of your other videos, and I really appreciate you showing it over, and explaining all the different lever moves and foot moves, because I always wanted to run one of them scrappers but never had the chance. I have a relative that would probably let me try it. Because he owns one, but it don't get out that much. And now i'm retired from Excavating work. And I really don't miss it, because my back and my knees are bad from all the bouncing around that I did over 30 years. Now I just sit back and watch your channel , and a few others on like Socalledearthmovers.. Thanks Jaypaydirt.
Pretty sweet Paydirt. Thank you. I love operating loaders but would be lost on scrapers. One of my older mechanic buddies always said I had the profile of a roller operator though. 😆
Best way to have a smooth hook up when going from pushing to pulling is to turn the nose a bit to either side so the bail slides around the inside of the hook, and plenty of grease on the bail and push plate make things a lot easier as well, been there an done that.
Hi Jeff, here is Max from Germany. Am following your channel since three years now. I will start on a 631G soon and was searching for any instructional material when I found this video. Very well done, nicely filmed, structured and explained. Ok, a 631G is a single engine with joystic control, but still I see many paralles. I have experience on scrapedozers of 55 tons and 80 tons weight and am really looking forward to get on the big dirtpans. Keep the good stuff rolling, cheers, Max
I ran an old Allis Chalmers push pan for a couple days that was pushed by a old cable dozer and ran it for a day once and that was enough for that old tired iron. The boss put me on a John Deere self loader and I stayed on it off and on for a couple years. Lots think you just scrap dirt and dump it but there is lots of skill keeping level and putting dirt in a pile with a scraper. What we ran was only 11 yard bowels nothing as big as you have there. I mainly worked after hours of my main job and on the weekends just to make enough money for my X wife spend. That was all in a different life back in the 70's.
That is one toy that is extremely hard to find. There’s a lot to remember when operating one of those. I absolutely love the sounds they make when they move. There is actually a funny story couple years ago I was watching is they were building a new highway connection, and One of the push poll scraper operators got him self stuck on the hill.
I was told by a second generation operator it takes 2 years to even be productive on a scraper it’s just like an apprenticeship. That was from a guy who said he was “average” watching him come down some steep cut faces though, his skill level showed he was “more than average”
As you know there is no front push block on a 623 but they do have a very effective stinger on the rear. We had many jobs with 637's and 623's. We had a half mile hill and of course the 637 were much faster than the 623's. I would stay to the right and raise my can so to lower the stinger. First it started out as a joke but at times getting pushed up the hill worked pretty good. Even in mud.
I think best tip I got when I was learning on a scraper was just have ur cutting edge ready close to the ground so as soon as the lead is loaded u are ready to pick up the grade where he left off...and shallower cuts barrel into your can wayyy easier than trying to get a deep cut and a lot of material in a short space
Interesting. I have run excavators, bulldozers, wheel loaders, track loaders, graders, dump trucks etc. but never seen a scraper live. They don't use those here in Finland. I guess the ground is not suitable for them, lots of rocks, clay, tree roots/stumps, wet in the summer and frozen in the winter, so we mostly have to use excavators and dump trucks.
@@tomsamplonius4297 As said, I guess the soil here is just too tough and rocky for scrapers to be economical. It's often very hard even for excavators, we use different shape of buckets from most parts of the world, our buckets are narrower and deeper for better penetration into the hard soil and easier lifting of large rocks. We also don't use bulldozers for cutting much, mostly just for moving and spreading of loose material as they, like scrapers, are not great at handling big rocks. We often have rocks so large they need to be blasted with dynamite of broken with excavator-mounted hydraulic hammers.
I like self loading pans with a conveyor myself. I’ve run both those, and push pans. I’ve even seen pans that break down into a tractor to become a pusher. What I’ve never quite gotten, is what the advantage of a tandem push/pull setup is. Seems like either of those double barreled pans could easily load themselves, especially if they already do it, then tow the one behind. I gotta be missing something here. In any event, an air ride suspension on the haul road makes the ride smoother than a baby’s bottom.
@@thundervalley9766, yup! Lol In some soil conditions they might be able to load themselves all right, but once you get into harder soil, even with 2 engines you don't have enough power, or enough traction, to cut and load that much material, and so you either need dedicated push dozers, or use push pull. Conveyer self loads work great in some conditions, or where you don't have the room for push dozers etc, but when you need high volume, these can't be beat. Look at some of the jobs that say socalearthmover shows, with large fleets of these constantly going at speed, and think of how many push cats would be needed to keep up with the fleet, or how long a conveyer load would take to move the same amount of material. It's all about speed and efficiency.
Im 38 and have been running heavy equipment most of my adult life. Mainly excavators, dozers, grappler's, telehanders. I start a new job on monday clearing out new oilfield pads. Boss man asked me if i want to learn the scraper and blade. I almost cried because its only two i haven't operated. This seems extremely intimidating. Thats a lot levers and stuff ive never heard of.
Send me "good vibes" because this completely different then what im use too.
Stay safe out there, and much love for the video
It's not bad. Just don't be scared of the machine and make sure you watch your cutting edge to see when dirt is going in your bowl. That's how you know when to stop pushing your bowl down until you can grasp how it feels when your digging.
With the blade just don't be scared to push dirt.
how’d the first week go
@@crowningkings6006 thank you! I'll respond back when I have time. But thank you
I think Im ready to give it a try
There's a lot of them old T-Rex scrapers in your part of the country you don't want to try one of them trust me they don't have one lick of coolness them damn old cats do an old cat 637 will drag circles around the T-Rex
Thanks for the tutorial on how to operate your scrapers very interesting
Jeff, this is a valuable video. There's clearly quite a lot to learn when it comes to operating push pull machines. You don't want distractions, especially in the big old girls you drive. I'm looking to get my butt in a scraper sometime in the next year. I just need to get a start, and I'm working on a foreman at the moment. His company runs 6 x 621G's and they also have 2 x 627G's. I'm hoping to sweet talk my way into getting a bit of time in a 621. Everybody wants experienced operators. Getting a start as a middle aged man is hard. I don't want to spend the last 15 years of my working life on a shovel in a trench. I love these earth moving machines, and moving earth is what I want to do for the rest of my working life. I think working a scraper is realistic. I'm too old to start learning a grader. Those things take many years of practice to operate really well. A scraper, or maybe even an excavator, is a realistic goal. I really like your channel, it's become one of my favourites in the last month or two. Please don't change. You're doing everything right with your channel. Les from Canberra, Australia.
Your not to old Les, it doesn't take years it just takes want, get in a blade on something that's being cut and go to town
was always wondering how to operate a scraper thank u for showing us
Great video Jeff..... lot more going on there than most folks realize!!!
Excellent narration of operation... its not just thelever pulling, but the thought process behind it.. Thanks for taking the time...
Finesse is key in operating. Working in tandem requires both to be on the same page. You've obviously taught your boys well
Amen
All of the equipment I've run through the years this is one I've not been on, and after watching this......... not sure if I'm sad or glad ! 😊
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍
Never operated a scraper and I guess it is just as well. You have some mad skills👍👍👍
That was awesome, Jeff! Thanks so much for explaining some of that! I want more! Like what's different between each of your scrapers regarding controls? Really, anything about all that is very interesting to me! I love learning new stuff so, keep em comin! Thanks for the video!
I have watched your other videos while you both were operating and wondered about what the reasons were for needing two scrapers hooked together. I thought that two hooked together would allow four power packs to provide power and eight tires to load the...
first scraper and then to load the rear scraper. Makes perfect logic. Your tutorial explained the operation very well. When I grow up I wanna
Thanks for the lesson! I’ve only driven a JD760A sinking dams. Always amazes me how busy you are on the controls operating these types of machines!
Back in the 70's, I was working on a large dam and operating a CAT 631 with side extenders. The machine could haul 36 cubic yards of dirt about 25 MPH. In the cut we had several D-9 push CATS with Cushing blades to push the pans to load. There were 25 pans hauling at any given time up to two miles from cut to drop.
Really appreciate this inside look at how to operate these machines - and of course, it turns out it is both an art and a science
Brings back good fun memories. REALLY enjoyed running scrapers.... A very versatile machine...and a riot to run.
Great inside look at how to operate these girls, it is an old school art. Never driven them but worked with plenty. Scrapers and Tractors & Boxes are making a comeback here in England.
This is pretty cool Jeff. I never would have thought it would take this much thinking and actions to run a scraper.
Really enjoyed learning about these machines!
I used to run a cat d8 cable scraper when I was in my 20s and you don't really understand how hard the old guys had it until you run the old iron then you have so much appreciation for new air conditioned cabs and hydraulics
Old man had a allis dozer and a cable can in the early 70s. He sold the outfit and the dozer and can are rotting down 10 miles apart.
you make this look so easy , over time it would come naturally , but to see first time as I, wow!
Just watched the 10/03/2023 posted video, and saw your comment to a viewer, and referring them to this video. Not sure how I ever missed watching this video from 4yrs ago. Wow, “so easy a caveman could do it”…, hahaha…, “not”. There is a whole flurry of activity going on in that operator seat, that nobody knows about, holy cow Jeff. And I suspect one doesn’t learn that all in a hour.
Great informational video Jeff,
Thank you sir.
What a great explanation of how to run a scraper. It was very helpful. I just start running scrapers. Thank you.
Not that I'm probably ever going to need to know how to run one of those contraptions, but I've always enjoyed learning things like this anyhow. Thanks for the video.
What if the zombie apocolypse happens and you don't know how to run one, then you will be like those people on ???????? I can't even remember the name of the show, I quit watching it, I'm like.....go get an excavator or a frontend loader or a snowplow or a snowblower, or go to the tank farm and get a fuel truck I yelled as loud as I could but they wouldn't listen to me
Thanks for explaining the controls! Having never run a scraper, I'm still lost, but maybe someday. You should be good on a drum set!
Dam that was fun. I love those Cat vehicles and the skilled trade men that run them. I never dreamed there was so much going on running a scraper. These guys make big moola!
Used to drive a scraper in the Army Engineers. Our beasts were built differently than these so I always wondered. We used dozers to push scrapers the cut.
I can remember once having to drive our scraper 60 miles down country roads because we couldn’t find a route that’s didn’t have low hanging power lines
steven heckert i went to work with my dad riding on the equipment he operated from the time I was in diapers. He was surprised when I joined the army engineers. Ft Leonard wood! Those were the days!
Comrade paydirt! Very interesting vidja, informative and entertaining. Love the smoke shots in there too:) keep up the good working comrade and thanking you for sharing. As always my friend, DRINK MORE VODKAS!
Excellent video thanks for posting , you sure would earn your money sitting on one of them all day!
My pops has been a scraper operator and has operated various other heavy equipment since his mid 20s. He’s now 50 and he still gets excited teaching me the ropes I should’ve done this earlier its fun as heck.
What's really exciting is how every piece of equipment is different and requires time and practice to master!!
First pan i ran in the 70's was a double barrel terex , cant say i miss it after being on the first 631E we got . Thank you Jeff .
1st non Cat scraper I ran was a terex, I went into shock at how rough the ride was
Nothing like a while with Classic Cat equipment. Some of the best machines on Earth.
I've run them all the 627G is pretty decent scraper. I think the best scraper cat ever made was the 627F had enough horse to get a load and they would jump out of the ground and enough power to get up and go with a load.
Very well explained. I have run 51, 41, and 31 but never used twins. After that explanation I would feel confident to run twins.
Good job on the video as always, that is a complicated machine to operate! thanks for posting
Best scraper video on UA-cam! Hands down!!
Nothing is comparable
Thank you for the video Jeff. Like playing a piano, just like a mistro!!! It's a work of heart .when you've got a good team of operators, there's nothing that will move material faster. Dad use to say ,you have to be careful when using the rear motor and turning . Take care 😎👍🇬🇧.
That is so cool, I feel like a big kid while watching things like this. I would love to be an operator, maybe in my next stage of life.
Tremendous respect for you and your trade 👍🏿
Ran lot of scrapers but never the push pull very interesting how it's done Jeff thanks for the video
Thanks for the lesson. Very interesting.
Gee,10 hours of doing that every day would be so much fun.They would have to carry me away in a basket after a day on one of those.Thanks for showing us.Shows how much it takes to be a dirt mover.Nice smooth ride too!!
Thanks! The one piece of heavy equipment, that I have always wondered about. To be exact, just how difficult it is to operate.
Thank you for the great explanation, that’s some fine lever slinging.
Jay, I really enjoy watching your channel keep up the good work. From a Maryland road/ utility contractor. I used to work around these cowboys back in the seventies, very rare to see these anymore around here. JV
That's a bit of work. Awesome video
It's more complicated than it looks a lot more going on than it looks you make it look easy. .
Love this video and would like to see more videos like this. Love those dark clouds too. I live in Eagle, ID
One of your best yet...how you work in your world...
Digginok sent me here! Where I come from everyone calls that machine a pan. Nice video! Great job getting the shots and narrating what you are doing and why you are doing it.
You have a great channel here Mr. Digginok was correct about that! I really enjoy Frank's channel it is my favorite on all of youtube. I would like to take this chance to thank you for all the help you sent Frank's way.
Jeff, thanks for video. Awesome video and very informative.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Thanks for the explanation, definitely a machine you have to be in sync with one another. Thanks for sharing
That was AWESOME!!! Thanks for the explanation.
Refreshing. What a noble way to earn a living. My hat if off to you 👍🏼
Damn dude this is the perfect video. I'm now sending this to everyone who asks what a scraper is, and what it does. (besides saying I move mountains lol still the best pick up line when a girl asks what you do for a living.)
Great video for us non dirt types.
Learned to run a 619 cable rig in the late 90s had a 8k pushing them . A few years later I ended up buying a DW10 and a D6 10k
hey Jeff .Thank's for the memory's. Good time's.
Great video again. I love the how to vids. Please keep them coming.
Excellent video👍....one of the few machines I never got a go at, wouldn't mind a few days at it.....having said that I'll stick to my comfort zone and stay with excavators.
thanks for all the great info. keep up the good work
What a fantastic video, brilliant.
Many thanks!
Thanks, that was helpful, just bought a 627b
Hi I'm a pretty new subscriber, I watched this kind of same video on one of your other videos, and I really appreciate you showing it over, and explaining all the different lever moves and foot moves, because I always wanted to run one of them scrappers but never had the chance. I have a relative that would probably let me try it. Because he owns one, but it don't get out that much. And now i'm retired from Excavating work. And I really don't miss it, because my back and my knees are bad from all the bouncing around that I did over 30 years. Now I just sit back and watch your channel , and a few others on like Socalledearthmovers.. Thanks Jaypaydirt.
I got a Lot to Learn, Thanks!
Great video Jeff!
Man that took some thought to put all that together and make it work. There's a hell of a lot going on there when your operating!
Pretty sweet Paydirt. Thank you. I love operating loaders but would be lost on scrapers. One of my older mechanic buddies always said I had the profile of a roller operator though. 😆
That was awesome, thanks Jeff.
Best way to have a smooth hook up when going from pushing to pulling is to turn the nose a bit to either side so the bail slides around the inside of the hook, and plenty of grease on the bail and push plate make things a lot easier as well, been there an done that.
Grease is a waste of time. We used roofing asphalt
Awesome video!!!!
Very complicated . But hey your a master at the controls.
Hi Jeff, here is Max from Germany. Am following your channel since three years now. I will start on a 631G soon and was searching for any instructional material when I found this video. Very well done, nicely filmed, structured and explained. Ok, a 631G is a single engine with joystic control, but still I see many paralles. I have experience on scrapedozers of 55 tons and 80 tons weight and am really looking forward to get on the big dirtpans. Keep the good stuff rolling, cheers, Max
Glad I could help you Max, thank you for the comment
Been waiting for this one for a while! Thanks!
yup it's all your fault LOL
Very informative makes me My running days
Awesome video
I ran an old Allis Chalmers push pan for a couple days that was pushed by a old cable dozer and ran it for a day once and that was enough for that old tired iron. The boss put me on a John Deere self loader and I stayed on it off and on for a couple years. Lots think you just scrap dirt and dump it but there is lots of skill keeping level and putting dirt in a pile with a scraper. What we ran was only 11 yard bowels nothing as big as you have there. I mainly worked after hours of my main job and on the weekends just to make enough money for my X wife spend. That was all in a different life back in the 70's.
How do you know how big Jeffs bowels are? That's kinda personal.
Jeff, it's been a while since I have owned and operated scrapers. I never got the chance to run push pull machines. Great job on the video.
That is one toy that is extremely hard to find. There’s a lot to remember when operating one of those. I absolutely love the sounds they make when they move. There is actually a funny story couple years ago I was watching is they were building a new highway connection, and One of the push poll scraper operators got him self stuck on the hill.
Way more to operate this equipment than I what I came to expect.
easy to do hard to master
I was told by a second generation operator it takes 2 years to even be productive on a scraper it’s just like an apprenticeship. That was from a guy who said he was “average” watching him come down some steep cut faces though, his skill level showed he was “more than average”
Wow, I don’t know if I could do that......maybe if I learned when I was young...lol. Great vid!
Great explanation thank you.
As you know there is no front push block on a 623 but they do have a very effective stinger on the rear. We had many jobs with 637's and 623's. We had a half mile hill and of course the 637 were much faster than the 623's. I would stay to the right and raise my can so to lower the stinger. First it started out as a joke but at times getting pushed up the hill worked pretty good. Even in mud.
Great video,thanks👍
Cheers for that bro, it would take a bit of getting used to for a newbe. All the best
Don't let anyone tell you how to operate your own machines. Looks like you are pretty damn good at it already.
Thank you for the lesson Jeff but I don't want to work anymore. Excellent video.
Thanks for the lesson
I never missed one of your videos jpaydirt
Hey jeff, love the video! Wish I could come out there and run something for you for a week. Would be a great vacation!
Love it, haven’t been in a scraper since 1969 Vietnam 😁
Awesome video....
Nice presentation
I think best tip I got when I was learning on a scraper was just have ur cutting edge ready close to the ground so as soon as the lead is loaded u are ready to pick up the grade where he left off...and shallower cuts barrel into your can wayyy easier than trying to get a deep cut and a lot of material in a short space
Great video
Excellent!
Interesting. I have run excavators, bulldozers, wheel loaders, track loaders, graders, dump trucks etc. but never seen a scraper live. They don't use those here in Finland. I guess the ground is not suitable for them, lots of rocks, clay, tree roots/stumps, wet in the summer and frozen in the winter, so we mostly have to use excavators and dump trucks.
Scrapers excel at building highways, railways, and garbage dumps. Maybe Finland has enough of these things already?
@@tomsamplonius4297 As said, I guess the soil here is just too tough and rocky for scrapers to be economical. It's often very hard even for excavators, we use different shape of buckets from most parts of the world, our buckets are narrower and deeper for better penetration into the hard soil and easier lifting of large rocks. We also don't use bulldozers for cutting much, mostly just for moving and spreading of loose material as they, like scrapers, are not great at handling big rocks. We often have rocks so large they need to be blasted with dynamite of broken with excavator-mounted hydraulic hammers.
Being a heavy Equipment operator for many years Jeff I bet you took some time to get all that together and working right!!
I like self loading pans with a conveyor myself. I’ve run both those, and push pans. I’ve even seen pans that break down into a tractor to become a pusher. What I’ve never quite gotten, is what the advantage of a tandem push/pull setup is. Seems like either of those double barreled pans could easily load themselves, especially if they already do it, then tow the one behind. I gotta be missing something here. In any event, an air ride suspension on the haul road makes the ride smoother than a baby’s bottom.
Nope. I just got it, duh. Rear pan push loads the first pan, then the first pan pull loads the rear pan. That’s what I get for overthinking it. Ha ha
@@thundervalley9766, yup! Lol
In some soil conditions they might be able to load themselves all right, but once you get into harder soil, even with 2 engines you don't have enough power, or enough traction, to cut and load that much material, and so you either need dedicated push dozers, or use push pull.
Conveyer self loads work great in some conditions, or where you don't have the room for push dozers etc, but when you need high volume, these can't be beat.
Look at some of the jobs that say socalearthmover shows, with large fleets of these constantly going at speed, and think of how many push cats would be needed to keep up with the fleet, or how long a conveyer load would take to move the same amount of material.
It's all about speed and efficiency.
Really interesting
That’s a really good video