6 Magic Frequencies for Mixing TOMS

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  • Find out exactly where to boost and cut your EQ to get slamming toms every time.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 95

  • @kylehowdy
    @kylehowdy Рік тому +11

    eq on toms always looks busted, but man does it make such an insanely massive difference. Great video!

  • @rome8180
    @rome8180 Рік тому +59

    These are my favorite videos you do. They're so practical. So many mix engineers will tell you there are no magic frequencies for various instruments and that everything is on a case-by-case basis. But then those same mixers make similar moves on every single track they do. Part of the reason they're able to move fast is because they have their go-tos. I'm not sure why they act so coy and secretive with their knowledge. Maybe it's because they're trying to sell you expensive tutorials or something. I appreciate that you just put this knowledge out there.

    • @Whanworld
      @Whanworld Рік тому +2

      Because it’s their bread. In an industry where litteraly your best friends will steal from you to get ahead, the thing that gives you a competitive edge is your money maker. In an engineers case, it’s his/her ears. Giving away simple tricks, especially if it’s helpful in an industry which has macro & micro/trends come and go like fast food customers, it always results into stealing from the ones you tell your secret to and perhaps they feel like they’ll lose their customers and/or uniqueness… that’s how I would reason if I were in that position.. does that make sense ?

    • @timnordberg7204
      @timnordberg7204 10 місяців тому +1

      It *is* case by case basis, though. Jordan is very upfront about what his use case is (hence the channel name), and let's be honest, there is definitely a strong consensus around drum sounds (and a lot of other sounds) in heavy music. If you EQ a tom like this for a western swing band, it will sound like shit. If you EQ a tom like this for a jazz band, you're fired.
      Having some go-to frequency ranges to check for specific types of information is great--ESPECIALLY for live music. But the best thing you can do for yourself is to train your ears to identify specific frequencies and map those to the sound that's in your head. Notice that's the first thing that he does in the video--big boosts on a bell EQ to demonstrate the frequency ranges that he intends to carve out to get that big, scooped metal sound.

    • @reddoo8936
      @reddoo8936 9 місяців тому

      @@Whanworld Jerry Finn is rolling in his grave after reading that

    • @ModestMouseTrap
      @ModestMouseTrap 9 місяців тому +2

      Because you still shouldn’t do it mindlessly. You need to understand why you are doing it for the exceptions where it doesn’t make sense to.

    • @alessandrosummer
      @alessandrosummer 6 місяців тому

      @@timnordberg7204why wouldn't these frequencies work for jazz o swing toms? Just curious

  • @bananapooptime
    @bananapooptime Місяць тому +2

    It's so easy to underestimate music production, but as soon as you dip one toe in the water you realize it is truly overwhelming and what makes you a pro is a wealth of knowledge and experience that is simply daunting to learn. So for you to break down these concepts in a digestible and applicable way is just so awesome man. Thank you so much.

  • @michaelcommisso8487
    @michaelcommisso8487 3 місяці тому +2

    I love these magic frequency videos! I come back to reference them a lot... Would really like to see some kinda "magic compression settings" thing for different instruments

    • @marq_8976
      @marq_8976 2 місяці тому +1

      Even just a video on compressing toms would be great!

  • @Jackson-zh2xc
    @Jackson-zh2xc Рік тому +1

    Thanks Jordan. I have loved this series! Even though there is the cheat sheet, it’s nice to have a proper run though of how/why and a sound example.

  • @Eurodrummer666
    @Eurodrummer666 Рік тому +2

    Very useful EQ tips! I never imagined you could carve so much in the 1K region! I tried it and it sounded awesome!

  • @louistotalcontrol
    @louistotalcontrol Рік тому +1

    Goodness - what an efficiently delivered & insightful video, thank you!

  • @JeanmarkRodriguez
    @JeanmarkRodriguez Рік тому +8

    That A/B at the end of the video… just WOW 🤯 I’ve been using your PDF Mixing Cheat Sheet for almost 2 months know and it has been a game changer for me. I already used to mix great but just having a guide to focus on those specific frecuencias really helped a lot and cut my mixing time by almost half. I also use that cheat sheet while recording so my recordings enter Pro Tools already sounding professional then Later in Pro Tools just some simple light touches.
    Thanks 🙏🏼

  • @jdidrums4142
    @jdidrums4142 10 місяців тому

    These video's have helped beyond what you can imagine, thank you!

  • @kuhliloach8842
    @kuhliloach8842 Рік тому +3

    yeah toms always seem to need more cuts than other signals! I am definitely not crazy. Thanks for the confirmation on this.

  • @RestLer-
    @RestLer- Рік тому

    Thanks, the advices are really works! Cool stuff on this channell

  • @marq_8976
    @marq_8976 2 місяці тому

    WOW. I was skeptical about SO much EQ, but I can't argue with the result.
    I usually don't EQ toms (except for HPF) because they sound "good enough" in the mix to me, but from now on I'll come back to this video and try these tips.
    In the last mix I did, my biggest problem was that they were overwhelming in the car. The solution was compression and gating to control the tail.

  • @andreigreger
    @andreigreger Рік тому +1

    So helpful - thank you!

  • @baryaish
    @baryaish 2 місяці тому +1

    Amazing Bro.. Absolutely Amazing..

  • @GoodmanRecordingsTokyo
    @GoodmanRecordingsTokyo Рік тому +1

    Thank you, this is a great one!

  • @s.a.m.recordingstudios
    @s.a.m.recordingstudios Рік тому +3

    Try experimenting with a transient designer as well! It's a great way to control the attack and sustain of your toms.

  • @wadeburgan1574
    @wadeburgan1574 Рік тому +1

    Awesome! Thsnk you!

  • @timothydillard4192
    @timothydillard4192 Рік тому +1

    Dude thank you so much

  • @user-su1wf3wz6c
    @user-su1wf3wz6c Рік тому +1

    I'm not a sound engineer, but your videos give me great pleasure - dopamine!

  • @jakwnr961
    @jakwnr961 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this video

  • @cafinoska
    @cafinoska Рік тому +1

    Please Electric Guitar EQ video as well :D, all the previous EQ videos are so useful, Many thanks

  • @stevenspencer9104
    @stevenspencer9104 5 місяців тому

    I am going to try this method on my church live stream. thank you very much and God bless you.

  • @mihvumusic
    @mihvumusic 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @Fire-Toolz
    @Fire-Toolz Рік тому

    thank you! people don't talk about toms! all the videos out there are about kick and snare!

  • @androzguitarmusic
    @androzguitarmusic Рік тому +1

    Thanks!!

  • @UncleMitchChannel
    @UncleMitchChannel Рік тому

    Thanks for video!

  • @kwagalajoel756
    @kwagalajoel756 Місяць тому

    Thanks so much

  • @Rhuggins
    @Rhuggins Рік тому +4

    Hey man,
    Im super grateful for your videos- thanks so much.
    Direct, clear cut, and to the point.
    There are a lot of mixing styles, philosophies, and ethos on youtube- but I resonate very much with yours; in my experience when I follow some of your workflow tips I just enjoy the sonic result. Taste goes a long way
    Thanks so much 🙏🏽

  • @nathanclave
    @nathanclave Рік тому

    Hey Jordan! Do you have videos on how to eq/compress
    Snare top/bottom and kick in/out/sub? Thanks!

  • @josealbertoum5149
    @josealbertoum5149 Рік тому

    This videos are super helpful. Wish there was something like this but for hiphop

    • @pianoatthirty
      @pianoatthirty Рік тому +1

      If you mix a lot of hard rock/metal every other genre of music (like hip hop) becomes so much easier to tackle.

  • @lenguajemusical4513
    @lenguajemusical4513 8 місяців тому

    Awesome material. Ive done your cheets to BD and Snare and the diference is incredible. The toms goes to a bus or you treat them separately? thanks in advance.

  • @onion69420
    @onion69420 6 місяців тому

    Been doing that eq type a lot

  • @FAPMTCProductions
    @FAPMTCProductions Рік тому +1

    Magic frequencies for mixing clean and distorted guitars please. 🙏

  • @BillGraper
    @BillGraper 8 місяців тому

    I love toms that sound similar to a snare. Your toms sound amazing! There's none of that fake "doooooom" sound. 😎

  • @backwoodmenace
    @backwoodmenace Рік тому +1

    my toms sound godly now

  • @snowandcoal
    @snowandcoal Рік тому +2

    My trick is to use shit ton of slow attack compression on them and fast attack limiter after it to round the transients.

    • @dodo13500
      @dodo13500 Рік тому

      Interesting. Gonna try, thanks for sharing!

  • @goodtimejohnny8972
    @goodtimejohnny8972 Рік тому +4

    Only thing that I would add (if you need help finding sweet spots) is to use a tune bot to find the drums fundamental frequency and a RTA to find it's resonant frequency. If you happen to miss these marks then your boosting and cutting won't help to much.

    • @66fitton
      @66fitton 10 місяців тому

      Absolutely! Finding the fundamental then cutting the octaves above it accurately is WAY better than this approach. This video is nonsense!

    • @marq_8976
      @marq_8976 2 місяці тому

      You mean when physically tuning the drums before recording, or is your suggestion for mixing?

    • @goodtimejohnny8972
      @goodtimejohnny8972 2 місяці тому

      Mixing. You can tune a drum to whatever you feel the music needs. Within the drums capability of course.​@@marq_8976

  • @fromaggio7654
    @fromaggio7654 Рік тому

    The smaller the area the higher resonace, applies to speaker dimensions as well

  • @djjuancarlos2
    @djjuancarlos2 8 місяців тому

    podrias darnos una segunda lista con mas instrumentos diferentes?.,.. saludos inje

  • @robjohnson5829
    @robjohnson5829 Рік тому +6

    Great video. Also wondering the same as the other commenter - do you gate your drums or leave the cymbal bleed in? A video on drum gating would be amazing.

    • @bbender76
      @bbender76 Рік тому +2

      They sound gated, with a long-ish release on the gate and/or not a lot of reduction in the range. He is not killing the bleed altogether, at least it doesn't sound like it.

    • @pco2004
      @pco2004 Рік тому

      Would love to know this too @Hardcore Music Studio

    • @marq_8976
      @marq_8976 2 місяці тому

      In my case I HAD TO bring up a gate during mix revision because the floor tom was overwhelming in the car!

  • @StayFreshMyFriends
    @StayFreshMyFriends Рік тому

    I remeber a video you did where you seperated the tom signal into two tracks. one for the initial transient and the other for the rest of the resonance. Can you republish that video or make it public? it was awesome but I forgot what to do!

  • @timnordberg7204
    @timnordberg7204 10 місяців тому +1

    Are you applying this EQ curve before compression? Is there any merit to doing boosts on a separate EQ post-dynamics?

  • @russellandrady
    @russellandrady Рік тому +1

    Wow

  • @XiyuYang
    @XiyuYang Рік тому

    Narrow boost the fundamental, wide cut the 2nd and/or 3rd overtone, shelf boost 5k and above, slow attack (~25ms or slower), fast release (~120ms or faster), notch out some harsh "pokey" frequencies (2.5k - 6k, depends), hard clipping to shave off the hardest hits, lastly sidechain compress the fundamental if it's a dense mix. That's about it.

    • @bryanhurr140
      @bryanhurr140 Рік тому

      can you explain the "sidechain compress the fundamental" part? thank you :)

  • @RANVAC
    @RANVAC Рік тому

    WOW…simple!

  • @Asgaia
    @Asgaia 9 місяців тому

    Do a frequency analysis on drums (also bd and sn) and find the lower frequencies. Often these instruments have a strong foundation note. Say 150 Hz for a tom. (or 50 Hz for a BD, 180 Hz for a snare). Don't relay on "around 150 Hz magic numbers"! Adjust the EQ to this frequency! Not Not 120 Hz, exactly 150 in our example. Also snare: not around 200 Hz, but exactly 180Hz.
    Then there are some (btw. nonharmonic!) overtones. Usually around 250-300Hz and 300-400Hz. Use an additional EQ to these frequencies to adjust muddiness and lower boxiness.
    Stop thinking frequencies below 300 Hz as an continuous spectrum like in the mids and highs where overtones so clustered and near and noises have no discrete sprectrum at all.
    But low frequencies are more or less discrete frequencies. For drums fixed. For bass guitar moving. So thats why EQs for bass should be wide to affect all notes. Except the bass stays on one note. or you have a resonance.

  • @diotcorpse
    @diotcorpse Рік тому

    How to tom still boomy when snare, floor tom and kick hit at the same time?

  • @davejohnsonmusic
    @davejohnsonmusic Рік тому

    What are your thoughts on processing all toms at the bus level, as opposed to treating each tom individually?

    • @pco2004
      @pco2004 Рік тому

      I doubt many people use that approach at all TBH. You really want to hone in on recorded drums individually per track for many reasons.

  • @Cowri
    @Cowri 4 місяці тому

    What EQ plugin is that?

  • @parkridgerecordingcompany
    @parkridgerecordingcompany Рік тому +2

    I was curious if you cut all the bleed before and after or gate them?

  • @eltole4766
    @eltole4766 Рік тому

    cant download the sheet :(

  • @MrNickDrummer
    @MrNickDrummer Рік тому

    Question: Are such aggressive EQ curves necessary for very high end toms recorded with really great mics? From my experience better and more expensive drums (tuned correctly) almost never need a lot of EQ.

    • @nicoeleich
      @nicoeleich Рік тому +1

      Probably not so much needed.. but, you won’t be mixing DW drums captured with C414’s all the time …

    • @MrNickDrummer
      @MrNickDrummer Рік тому +1

      True. In fact I don't like DWs. They don't sit well in mixes, too "mushy". Tama and Sonor sound much better within any mix. From a drummer.

    • @nicoeleich
      @nicoeleich Рік тому

      @@MrNickDrummer yes… i like tama better than DW … 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @Jazz_Daddy
    @Jazz_Daddy Місяць тому

    I find this works incredible on the rack toms, but the second you do that 70-90Hz boost on the floor toms..., it's just a muddy mess.

  • @cryptonios
    @cryptonios Рік тому +2

    no highpass at all?

    • @slygitr
      @slygitr 8 місяців тому +1

      Thats what i thought too..

  • @hardcoremusicstudio
    @hardcoremusicstudio  Рік тому +2

    Grab your free Mixing Cheatsheet to learn the go-to starting points for EQ and compression in heavy mixes: www.mixcheatsheet.com

    • @christopherharv
      @christopherharv Рік тому

      I love that cheat sheet! It's great because it's definite rules and guidelines so you're not just shooting in the dark, but it's also not too specific so you still need to decide for yourself the Q's, the slopes, the ratio, the knee, filters, etc. etc.

    • @harwoodtheband
      @harwoodtheband Рік тому

      just fyi, google chrome does not like your website. Something about the connection being secure. But I used a different browser and it worked. Great content, btw. Thank you for your efforts to educate us

  • @CraigFlowersMusic
    @CraigFlowersMusic Рік тому

    Such dramatic sweeps! I otherwise agree with everything.

  • @krustdogg131
    @krustdogg131 Рік тому +1

    Anyone else ever create a great mix and then keep messing with it to the point to where it sounds worse and then you can't get it back to where it was ? Lol

    • @cwdrummercwc4128
      @cwdrummercwc4128 Рік тому

      Personal hell lol

    • @krustdogg131
      @krustdogg131 Рік тому

      I have a song I never finished because I started mixing and got the guitars super heavy , drums really punchy with right amount of low end . Now it sounds hollow and scoopy and I can't repair it

  • @AntoB.Drummer
    @AntoB.Drummer Рік тому

    La correzione dell'EQ sembra davvero troppo esasperata! Per il genere musicale magari può funzionare... Però preferirei tagliare meno!

  • @66fitton
    @66fitton 10 місяців тому

    Nope! You are ignoring the drums fundamental note/frequency! There are no "magic" frequencies lol. Find the fundamental frequency and BOOST it! (which will mean lowering the gain to compensate) THEN cut the octaves above ACCURATELY! You are cutting way more than you have to with those wide arbitrary cuts. When you said "trust me, I've been doing this for ten years" I held my breath... Get caught up on what's been learned in the last ten years bro. To anyone reading, use an RTA to see where the fundamental frequency is. Where ever it is, lets say 100Hz, double that frequency and you have the first octave above the fundamental. Cut it with a narrow cue at least 7-9 dB. Now double THAT frequency and you have the second octave above the fundamental. Cut it in the same manor as the first octave. Add a little 4-6k for snap if it's a rock band and use a gate for dynamic control.
    You are cutting the overtones ACCURATELY this way and can let the power of the drum remain instead of cutting the crap out of it. BEST eq trick for toms I've ever been shown!! In over 25 years of gigging.... Cheers to all!

    • @pjuliano9000
      @pjuliano9000 2 місяці тому

      Yeah, the source material dictates where one is going to apply equalization … it also is matter of taste … what aesthetic are you trying to achieve …. I’d love to hear 3 top mixers mix a track … one would be surprised at how different they will sound

  • @taotaom4312
    @taotaom4312 Рік тому +1

    instructions to made a nice sounding tom terrible...

  • @Kyp031
    @Kyp031 Рік тому +1

    As a drummer who spent a lot of money on a decent kit, I feel like this takes away from the characteristics of the drum itself.
    Like guys who trigger samples, then why spend the money on it if you're just replacing it?
    I assume on some occasions this is necessary but all the time on all drums? Different heads, tunings, woods, mics... i don't think so.

    • @MrNickDrummer
      @MrNickDrummer Рік тому +1

      I agree. I think those heavy EQ curves might be needed for cheap, not well tuned and not well played drums.