I certainly wasn’t expecting her to take advantage of the fact she knew her driver was a spy to make her Husband a spacegoat for the money. A brilliant move but the fact he’s basically gave up her domestic life(husband and daughter) for the sake of the galaxy… that’s hard.
Her husband was a self-absorbed dirtbag, who never cared about her. If saving the Rebellion meant throwing her husband under the bus wasn't just a small price to pay: it was pretty much the equivalent of whatever change was under the couch cushions. The daughter is deeply into traditions: Mon Mothma may have had little choice in the matter.
I *love* her move here. i figured it out as soon as they showed her driver reporting it, it all became clear that this was her plan all along. what a phenomenal show. great video, great channel. cheers.
My take regarding Mon's plans was that she knows the Imperial equivalent of the IRS are going to look at her finances sooner or later and (at the start of the season) when they do they'll see right from the summary page that there's 400k unaccounted for which will trigger a much deeper investigation into where it's gone. Striking the deal with Davo means she can fill that shortfall and it's possible that the IRS will just look at the front page, see the numbers balance, and move on without looking any further, which would be the best outcome. However it's more than likely that they will look deeper, and when they do it won't take them long to notice that the summary only balances today because of a very generous payment from a shady businessman a couple of weeks ago and that large sums of money has in fact been trickling out of the accounts to suspiciously unidentified recipients for years. At which point she can guide any subsequent investigation in the direction of her husband's gambling habit - an alibi that the ISB will now independently confirm thanks to their surveillance. Also, and this isn't necessarily directed at this channel specifically, but I find it interesting how many people (understandably) have a lot of sympathy for Mon over being stuck in a loveless, arranged marriage. But seem to miss the fact that Perrin is _also_ stuck in a loveless, arranged marriage that must be as frustrating for him as it is for her.
I agree. Perrin’s gambling may be a result of that loveless marriage. Something to get him out of the house until he had his arm twisted to reform his ways. Now…he’s stuck in the house under a watchful eye. It also shows that Mon is willing to sell out her entire family when it comes to her and the rebellion being discovered. That’s a little strange.
I had the same ideas while watching that scenes. Interesting that Star Wars Fanatic got that different in his view. By the way. Thanks Gerald for your great channel and so thoughtful analysis. Cheers Mate.
While this is kind of true Perrin seems to do far more entertaining and relaxing than Mon. So while he's stuck too, he doesn't have many responsibilities at all. He's basically a trophy husband.
Andor has been excellent all around. Mon Mothma's arc has been so much meatier than anything else I have seen her in and she has knocked it out of the park. If they put as much into season 2 as they did for season 1 we are in for quite a(nother) treat.
Side note about Syril Karn. I rewatched the early episodes. The only reason that Karn is so adamant to get Andor is because he was completely emasculated by Andor. He was caught unawares and tied up like trussed Turkey. It’s personal. That’s why he was so militant to save Dedra Meero. To reestablish his masculinity.
Yes! I'm so glad that someone else caugth up with that. Syril was complety emasculated by Cassian. We have seen how he'll abuse whatever little power He can get (over compensating for his castrater mother?). I've said before that their paths mirrored each other in every arc of this season towards radicalism, but with Syril, the search for "order and justice" is now intertwined with the hunt for the man that took his pride.
I always liked Mon Mothma, and her husband's past gambling probably did drive a wedge between them. But no amount of gambling on his part even comes close to betraying trust like secretly working for the Rebellion without telling him. Which is a necessary evil to be sure. But to then go so far as to falsely accuse him of giving in to his addiction (overcoming addiction is hard) and stealing their money all while setting him up as the fall guy for the missing money putting him in the cross hairs of the very evil Empire you are trying to fight is more of a betrayal than he could have ever done to her with his gambling. Luthen is supposed to be the dark anti-hero, not our beloved Mon Mothma.
It didn't surprise me at all as I expected it , predictable as the baseline for the story was introduced in the previous episode and Mon Mothma had no choice despite feeling inner turmoil about it.
That scene was brilliant! I love how this show has played out. I think Mon Mothma went forward with the deal because she needs him in moving funds moving forward.
Congrats. Great to read. After Episode 9 made me feel like attending to a funeral, thoughts of going full Legends crossed my mind too. It made me erase the sequels out of canon ending just with EP6. But finally we got an absolutely outstanding series with ANDOR. But i am already disillusioned again, for i fear we get 4 "six hour" seasons squished into 4 times 90 to 110 Minutes each arc. That way all the Ritalin-crowd cheers because it´s all rushed as F..k to their liking, and us get sad because all the nice details, world building and build up was just cut away to serve the dumbed down masses.
I love coming up with theories, knowing most of them will be WAY off. That said, I actually did manage to call a couple things. One was that Cassian would use the funeral as cover to rescue Bix via the tunnel Maarva was scoping out. But I think that one was pretty obvious. Another, which I came hilariously close to calling, was that I joked the riot would start because Dedra would kick B2. I wasn't serious about that one, but ... wow. But most of my theories involved a clusterfudge of main character deaths - obviously that didn't happen. So I have more fun speculation for season 2 ... I predict Tony's going to make us love Perrin before killing him off. It seems that Perrin is actually loyal to Mon when the chips are down. That's the impression I get. It's even possible that Perrin will "do more than grow weary of the Empire". I just feel like right now, none of us feel bad about Mon throwing Perrin under the bus. But it'll pack an emotional punch if our attitude toward Perrin changes but it's too late for Mon to undo the damage she set up so long ago. BTW, Dedra's rival ISB Supervisor is named Blevin. Kreegyr is the name of the Rebel leader of the Spellhaus operation (which the ISB ambushed and wiped out).
Yeah I know, it was a bad editing mistake on my part. There was a whole piece in there that I cut out and “Blevin” got cut out with it. I didn’t notice until watching as it was uploading. Silly me for needing better quality control.
You missed a detail. Mon Mothma did not give her child over to that introduction to get closer to her daughter. She knows that her daughter will appreciate the arranged marriage but she also knows that she's giving her daughter over to a crime family as part of a tradition that she herself doesn't believe in. In two short scenes we watched a Senator sacrifice both her husband and her daughter in order to protect herself and her involvement in the Rebellion. There is nothing pleasant for Mon Mothma in the arrangement of this meeting, which will lead to an arranged marriage. In parallel to Luthen, we are now seeing Mon give it all up in sacrifice. We already know that Andor gives it all up in the events of Rogue One. We should expect to see the theme of sacrifice recurring throughout the series.
I think it wasn't about her at all. By these 2 actions she saved her family in case she was exposed as rebel. The daughter is gone to another family and the husband is known now to the ISB as a gambler whom she didn't trust and that they had big differences with each other. By that he is hopefully saved too. That was all she could do for him expecting to get in trouble in soon future.
People need to lay off Perrin. We only get to hear Mon Motha's side of that relationship. The backstory my brain has come up with is Perrin is stuck in this loveless arranged marriage. He's a filthy rich good looking guy with charm and humor who plays his part as a notable politician's spouse even though he could care less about politics. He enjoys a good party, a drink or two, and has overcome his gambling demons. Despite all of this the old ball and chain continuously nags him about this and that and the other, and doesn't show him any affection so he's become a bored middle-aged give a fuck real ass dude! Perrin seems like a good father and his workaholic wife is jealous that her daughter loves him more than her. Now Momma Motha is scapegoating her husband for her off-the-books activities.
ISB knows she made a deal with a banker and a gangster and just because the reasoning is presented as gambling does not stop the need for the deal to go through. Hence the proposal goes ahead.
this whole scene left me wondering if she's scapegoating her husband; the other possibility is that her husband is in on it. could be they're working as a team and all the marital tension is a ruse.
Mon Montha actions may appear like Domestic drama is not something the ISB can hold over her head BUT Perrin could be bought if they offer to "help"and he flips and becomes informant feeding this addiction- he's already cozy with palpatine's inner circle whining and dining with them. In that regard, if she kicks him under the speeder when she goes full time rebel won't be so bad. Her daughter going traditional removes another potential axe but being the type of person she is she will probably pledge her loyalty and join the Imperial forces and be a ISB intern!
Thanks for the positive content. Is sad we have many Star Wars fans who have become racist and intolerant and their comments on actors that have played roles in SW have been truly brutal.. SW is the opposite. Those are not true SW fans. Thank goodness is not the majority. Have a blessed day everyone.
You don't get to be a senator for long in Star Wars if your not willing to learn to go underhand, behind backs, cheat, lie and downright manipulate the system to your own ends. Every move has to be 3D chess, thinking over all of the ramifications. I have a theory that she told Perrin (whom I'm sure she would say was also an accomplice) what would happen to him if the Empire came knocking and found out the truth, so he willingly took the blame of gambling debts so they could, for now, keep up their nice lifestyle. I agree with the tradition and arranged marriage being good for the daughter. Also her being married off would offer some level of protection, after all her father in law is one of the biggest gangsters out there, and he's living the life seemingly without too much fear.
@Star Wars Fanatic As I see it, Mon Mothma had no choice and she had to do what she had to do. She is in a loveless marriage of convenience and from Genieve O' Reilly's astounding acting, you could tell Mon Mothma can't stand her husband, barely tolerates him and finds him repugnant for so many reasons that we don't know about. She is only being civil to him for the sake of her daughter. There is no love lost there and that is why she didn't hesitate to throw him under the bus. I didn't see her as being cold or her as being the big B. As for her daughter, I could see that Mon Mothma struggled so very much to allow her daughter to go ahead with this Chandrillan tradition, you could see it on her face, the disgust. I don't think it was to make her daughter happy, it was a practical decision. If it wasn't for the financial mess she is in, she wouldn't have allowed it to go ahead despite her daughter being all for it. Perrin didn't seem to care and just went along with it as he only cares about himself and what he could get out of the marriage in terms of perks.
You’re not wrong. There are so many angles to these stories. Just, as a father, I don’t know if I could bring myself to offering up my daughter for any cause. No matter how great. Especially knowing that Davo is shady.
Perrin did seem genuine in his defense and confusion at Mon Mothma’s accusation. But, as a problem gambler, he has likely used up any goodwill and second chances in the past and also you can see the resignation on his face as he knows Mon will not believe him. Alastair Mackenzie does an awesome acting job in this scene.
Mon Mothma is a badass. Period. I secretly think that she, Luthen, Vel and Lonnie are related somehow. They all look alike. As for the subterfuge of her marriage, that is a brilliant stroke of genius. Perrin is cowardly and broke so I'm thinking their marriage was like the wealthy US marriages of the 19th century where the girl had the money and the guy had the prestige or the title. Seeing as he served in the military makes me think it even more. I think the Only thing that bothers Mon is that it involves Davo, a thug. Love this series. Not gonna think too hard on it since none of us have the genius of Tony Gilroy who has done a fabulous job from Rogue One til now. Can't wait to season 2.
Eh, we think Davo is a "thug." But what does that mean? Just because Mon Mothma looks down her nose at him doesn't necessarily mean much. All we know is that he can launder money. There are senators who are bleeding their planets dry for their own pleasures. There are whole planets devoted to gambling and other vices. Corruption ran rampant through the Republic and continues in the Empire.
There were a few ways of trying to account for the missing funds and accusing her husband of gambling them away is one of them. A few other people suggested Val provide her a replacement with the credits stolen from Aldahni. The final offer was from Davo and the "introduction". I was a little surprised to see the gambling accusation, but understood that was something Mon was using in an attempted excuse for the missing credits. Although, it surprised me more that she then went through with the introduction. I wondered if Mon didn't trust Davo and was attempting to find alternative ways out if Davo should betray her. She could also "combine" the gambling accusation with the "introduction" promise, and claim her husband owes money to Davo, who acted like a loan shark, and she was forced to introduce her daughter as a way of covering for the debit.
The introduction is payment for his future services as her money launderer. She dodged one bullet, but it's the only way she can keep funneling money to the rebels. Replacing the credits would be wildly dangerous. They'd already been looking at her accounts -- they new about the "unusual transactions" that Mon had used to try to mask her money trail -- so if a mysterious 400K suddenly popped up with no clear source, they'd start digging to find out where it came from. That would be bad news for Mon, then Vel, then Luthen.
@CantankerousDave I'd be afraid if Mon got Davo involved in more "transactions" and he found out it was for funding Rebel activity, he may use that to blackmail her for more "favors".. I'm sure she's trying to create a scenario where there's multiple explanations for the missing transactions. I'm almost convinced that the "gambling" excuse is part of the ploy with Davo, and the missing funds are "to pay him off", and Davo will simply tell the Empire he had loaned Perrin money for gambling and he had to pay him back
Mon Mothma became a fugitive because she publicly denounced the Emperor in her capacity as an Imperial Senator. That’s how it was portrayed in SW: Rebels.
Yes, the Ghorman massacre was the straw that broke the camel’s back. But her financial dealings have put her on their radar. That was mentioned. I have an updated video coming out tomorrow that explains a bit more of what I meant. Thank you
Using the driver had a different purpose. If covering the previous transactions was the goal, we would not have seen the introduction of her daughter to the bankers son at the end. This conversation was to give context to the upcoming interactions with Davos. They would not be able to keep the courting secret for long.
Exactly. ISB would be very curious why the prestigious Motha family is allying itself with Davos in such a public way. On the political level it creates a new powerful faction with vast financial resources and influence in both the highest levels of high society and in the criminal underworld. If the ISB thinks that this is simply Davos social climbing using blackmail than they will not see it as a threat to the Empire.
I think Mon Mothma went through with the traditional introduction for her daughter because she realized she not only had to cover up the 400k just in case, but any future rebel involvement is basically shut down altogether without the banker’s help.
To quote Luthern "What have I sacrificed?..................... Everything!" Mon Mothma has sacrificed her husband and daughter for the cause. Another cold calculating move by those organising the Rebellion
Sir I agree with your speculation I think it's on point and everything she did does cover the banking disputes she has. But when she does go on the run I feel it will be a cornucopia of other factors that finally makes her leave. That we haven't seen yet. 👁️
I think you may be mistaken about the funds Mon Mothma is using. These aren't Imperial or Senate funds. They're her own. She moves them from her personal banks to the rebellion through her charities. Unfortunately for her, the Empire is monitoring her financial activities which is why she has to resort to this subterfuge. By accusing her husband of gambling, the Empire thinks she is resorting to dealing with Davos in order to replace the missing funds. Just minor details, though. I'm pretty much in agreement with your analysis of how Mon threw her husband under the bus in order to hide her activities from the Empire and how she sacrificed her principles and set up the introduction of her daughter.
She doesn't care about her husband from what I have seen...loveless marriage of convenience but as for daughter that killed her inside, but it was what she had to do.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC like how you did the 7 part series fan fiction of how jodo impersonated boba n boba ended taking him under his wing like that Im talking about
isb supervisor kreiger, lol little mistake. thats isb supervisor Blevin they were interupted with news about kreiger in that scene who is the rebel leader attacking the power station
Was truly irritated of this first too. But repeat it once more. Thats not what they are saying! They say: "(Hey Blevin, the) Kreegyr, (conference meeting is right now.) you´re missing it!" It´s just the empire mindset, efficiency and abbrevitations to the bone. At least that Imp got the virtue to let the driver finishing his words and wait some seconds for that.
Perrin definitely has not seemed like someone who can be trusted at all. It's a weird dynamic. I feel like he could be an imperial informer himself, but that could just be intentional misdirection.
This made me just realise that Mon used her husband as a scapegoat to cover the 400k. Then used the marriage to get an extra 400k for the rebellion. Basically sold her own daughter for funding and future funding from a family bank
By letting the Empire think they have the answer to the missing funds, they will stop looking deeper. It’s a brilliant bit of misdirection. It also allows anyone looking to dig deeper into her (innocent) husbands affairs. No matter how deep they dig, they can’t find something that is not there
Great video. This series is set 5 bby. She doesn’t run and rescued by the Ghost team in Rebels until 2 bby. So we’ve a long way to go. Lieda’s adherence to old Chandrilan ways is very Hitler youth esque.
Threw him under the bus? People in the comments, y’all trippin. You think the emperor CARES if Perrin is indulging in his gambling habit? They don’t, I’m sure. That is the smartest thing she could have done. Use an excuse that the emperor wouldn’t care about and move on.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC Then you have an incredibly small sample size. And that's not even what I'm saying, I'm saying his words are precisely what an addict hiding his addiction would say.
If the show was of mid quality such as the hexagloy or low quality like pretty much the rest of Disney sw sans rogue one then yes, she would’ve not done it. But Andor is brilliantly and thus believably and immersively written, thus that really was her only recourse out of the self-laid trap. Rebellions incur great costs. A think about the implications and consequences: she threw her husband under the bus, at the same time she extracted him from any connection beyond that unhappy marriage should she be found out. As for her daughter…she wants it and Mon finally obliged. At the same time Sculdun, as unsavoury as he may perhaps be, is powerful and wealthy and thus a potentially good ally to have who lives in both the high and low places.
The gambling addiction will help for now I don’t think she likes her husband much anymore The daughter is rebelling against her parents too in her own way trust
I guess we must have different ideas as to what a girl boss is. To me, they don’t throw their husband under a bus, and they don’t pawn their daughters off on shady businessmen in order to cover their own tracks.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC yes its the entire known univers vs a daughter who wants marry and a man who doesnt seem to care.... Thats bossmode... Would it be only her career, that would be bitchy
I was thinking the same thing. That this is an example of a Rebel doing something evil. Throwing her own husband under the bus is pretty shady. Nothing about her husband Perrin rises to the level of "he deserves this" status. He's a bit of a buffoon, and a party boy, but pretty much an innocent. He's being destroyed by Machiavellian machinations of his own wife for no reason other than he's a convenient scapegoat.
@@LaraA55 We have actually been told enough about their marriage to make a judgment here. Right from the beginning we've seen that neither her husband nor her daughter can stand her. They exchange knowing glances of derision about her. That level of derision must've been earned over many years. It seems she's throwing Perrin under the bus for the same reason that Luthen is throwing Kreeger's entire cell of Rebels under the bus: self-survival. Thinking about nothing but themselves, not even worrying about their own family or allies. We were told at the beginning of the series to watch out for Imperials doing good things, and Rebels doing evil things. Luthen and Mon are the Rebels doing evil things, and we see Supervisor Lonni being the Imperial double-agent helping the Rebels being the good guy.
@@bbbl67 yes this is what I said as well... But we don't know why they all can't stand one another, the exact circumstances.... We see it all from their body language and a few sentences here and there.
@@LaraA55 Don't get me wrong, I actually think this makes Mothma a more realistic more complex character. You can't be a leader in a rebellion without being someone who makes tough even ruthless decisions sometimes. Mothma and Luthen serve that purpose, two sides of the same coin.
Remember though, the ISB doesn't care about his gambling debts, they care about the Senators; they so much as said so. What's more, he's a dude in a male dominated regime, they will barely give his indiscretion a second thought. She knows very well what she's doing is cunning but it's not evil. IMHO
How it's possible to not care? If you have a theory you would like to be right, saying otherwise is a ether a lie or if is correct then you are doing it from the wrong reasons. Everyone would like to be proven correct, literally everyone. I do understand why you said it, it's because to stop the fans to troll you if you are proven wrong but that can't be true if you really care about the SW as you claim to be. Regards.
I certainly wasn’t expecting her to take advantage of the fact she knew her driver was a spy to make her Husband a spacegoat for the money. A brilliant move but the fact he’s basically gave up her domestic life(husband and daughter) for the sake of the galaxy… that’s hard.
Right? I couldn’t do it.
spacegoat🤣😂
Her husband was a self-absorbed dirtbag, who never cared about her. If saving the Rebellion meant throwing her husband under the bus wasn't just a small price to pay: it was pretty much the equivalent of whatever change was under the couch cushions.
The daughter is deeply into traditions: Mon Mothma may have had little choice in the matter.
Credit for the acting skills and well developed writing. This series raises the bar. I hope we get more of this drama style SW.
Not really. Her daughter is safer far away from her and the Empire won´t care about Perrins addiction at all.
I *love* her move here. i figured it out as soon as they showed her driver reporting it, it all became clear that this was her plan all along. what a phenomenal show. great video, great channel. cheers.
It really was a brilliant move. Thank you so much!
My take regarding Mon's plans was that she knows the Imperial equivalent of the IRS are going to look at her finances sooner or later and (at the start of the season) when they do they'll see right from the summary page that there's 400k unaccounted for which will trigger a much deeper investigation into where it's gone. Striking the deal with Davo means she can fill that shortfall and it's possible that the IRS will just look at the front page, see the numbers balance, and move on without looking any further, which would be the best outcome. However it's more than likely that they will look deeper, and when they do it won't take them long to notice that the summary only balances today because of a very generous payment from a shady businessman a couple of weeks ago and that large sums of money has in fact been trickling out of the accounts to suspiciously unidentified recipients for years. At which point she can guide any subsequent investigation in the direction of her husband's gambling habit - an alibi that the ISB will now independently confirm thanks to their surveillance.
Also, and this isn't necessarily directed at this channel specifically, but I find it interesting how many people (understandably) have a lot of sympathy for Mon over being stuck in a loveless, arranged marriage. But seem to miss the fact that Perrin is _also_ stuck in a loveless, arranged marriage that must be as frustrating for him as it is for her.
I agree. Perrin’s gambling may be a result of that loveless marriage. Something to get him out of the house until he had his arm twisted to reform his ways. Now…he’s stuck in the house under a watchful eye.
It also shows that Mon is willing to sell out her entire family when it comes to her and the rebellion being discovered. That’s a little strange.
I had the same ideas while watching that scenes. Interesting that Star Wars Fanatic got that different in his view. By the way. Thanks Gerald for your great channel and so thoughtful analysis. Cheers Mate.
While this is kind of true Perrin seems to do far more entertaining and relaxing than Mon. So while he's stuck too, he doesn't have many responsibilities at all. He's basically a trophy husband.
Andor has been excellent all around. Mon Mothma's arc has been so much meatier than anything else I have seen her in and she has knocked it out of the park. If they put as much into season 2 as they did for season 1 we are in for quite a(nother) treat.
Side note about Syril Karn. I rewatched the early episodes. The only reason that Karn is so adamant to get Andor is because he was completely emasculated by Andor. He was caught unawares and tied up like trussed Turkey. It’s personal. That’s why he was so militant to save Dedra Meero. To reestablish his masculinity.
Yes! I'm so glad that someone else caugth up with that. Syril was complety emasculated by Cassian. We have seen how he'll abuse whatever little power He can get (over compensating for his castrater mother?).
I've said before that their paths mirrored each other in every arc of this season towards radicalism, but with Syril, the search for "order and justice" is now intertwined with the hunt for the man that took his pride.
@@adrianaabregu503 exactly. Totally agreed.
To make himself feel better
I always liked Mon Mothma, and her husband's past gambling probably did drive a wedge between them. But no amount of gambling on his part even comes close to betraying trust like secretly working for the Rebellion without telling him. Which is a necessary evil to be sure. But to then go so far as to falsely accuse him of giving in to his addiction (overcoming addiction is hard) and stealing their money all while setting him up as the fall guy for the missing money putting him in the cross hairs of the very evil Empire you are trying to fight is more of a betrayal than he could have ever done to her with his gambling. Luthen is supposed to be the dark anti-hero, not our beloved Mon Mothma.
Many thanks for this video and congratulations on reaching 20K subs!!! I love being wrong about my speculations and being surprised - way more fun!
Thank you!
I was a little surprised at her introducing her daughter near the end as well. Glad you brought it up in this way.
Yeah it was kind of strange at first.
It didn't surprise me at all as I expected it , predictable as the baseline for the story was introduced in the previous episode and Mon Mothma had no choice despite feeling inner turmoil about it.
That scene was brilliant! I love how this show has played out. I think Mon Mothma went forward with the deal because she needs him in moving funds moving forward.
I think you're right she is covering all angles but it's kinda of sad that she threw the husband under the bus hopefully he is in the cover up
Andor, an absolute masterpiece of SW on TV. From myself, a fussy old Legends EU fan this is the SW I have yearned for.
Same here
Congrats. Great to read. After Episode 9 made me feel like attending to a funeral, thoughts of going full Legends crossed my mind too.
It made me erase the sequels out of canon ending just with EP6.
But finally we got an absolutely outstanding series with ANDOR.
But i am already disillusioned again, for i fear we get 4 "six hour" seasons squished into 4 times 90 to 110 Minutes each arc.
That way all the Ritalin-crowd cheers because it´s all rushed as F..k to their liking, and us get sad because all the nice details, world building and build up was just cut away to serve the dumbed down masses.
I love coming up with theories, knowing most of them will be WAY off. That said, I actually did manage to call a couple things. One was that Cassian would use the funeral as cover to rescue Bix via the tunnel Maarva was scoping out. But I think that one was pretty obvious. Another, which I came hilariously close to calling, was that I joked the riot would start because Dedra would kick B2. I wasn't serious about that one, but ... wow. But most of my theories involved a clusterfudge of main character deaths - obviously that didn't happen.
So I have more fun speculation for season 2 ... I predict Tony's going to make us love Perrin before killing him off. It seems that Perrin is actually loyal to Mon when the chips are down. That's the impression I get. It's even possible that Perrin will "do more than grow weary of the Empire". I just feel like right now, none of us feel bad about Mon throwing Perrin under the bus. But it'll pack an emotional punch if our attitude toward Perrin changes but it's too late for Mon to undo the damage she set up so long ago.
BTW, Dedra's rival ISB Supervisor is named Blevin. Kreegyr is the name of the Rebel leader of the Spellhaus operation (which the ISB ambushed and wiped out).
Yeah I know, it was a bad editing mistake on my part. There was a whole piece in there that I cut out and “Blevin” got cut out with it. I didn’t notice until watching as it was uploading. Silly me for needing better quality control.
You missed a detail. Mon Mothma did not give her child over to that introduction to get closer to her daughter. She knows that her daughter will appreciate the arranged marriage but she also knows that she's giving her daughter over to a crime family as part of a tradition that she herself doesn't believe in. In two short scenes we watched a Senator sacrifice both her husband and her daughter in order to protect herself and her involvement in the Rebellion. There is nothing pleasant for Mon Mothma in the arrangement of this meeting, which will lead to an arranged marriage. In parallel to Luthen, we are now seeing Mon give it all up in sacrifice. We already know that Andor gives it all up in the events of Rogue One. We should expect to see the theme of sacrifice recurring throughout the series.
I think it wasn't about her at all. By these 2 actions she saved her family in case she was exposed as rebel. The daughter is gone to another family and the husband is known now to the ISB as a gambler whom she didn't trust and that they had big differences with each other. By that he is hopefully saved too. That was all she could do for him expecting to get in trouble in soon future.
I so agree...
People need to lay off Perrin. We only get to hear Mon Motha's side of that relationship. The backstory my brain has come up with is Perrin is stuck in this loveless arranged marriage. He's a filthy rich good looking guy with charm and humor who plays his part as a notable politician's spouse even though he could care less about politics. He enjoys a good party, a drink or two, and has overcome his gambling demons. Despite all of this the old ball and chain continuously nags him about this and that and the other, and doesn't show him any affection so he's become a bored middle-aged give a fuck real ass dude! Perrin seems like a good father and his workaholic wife is jealous that her daughter loves him more than her. Now Momma Motha is scapegoating her husband for her off-the-books activities.
ISB knows she made a deal with a banker and a gangster and just because the reasoning is presented as gambling does not stop the need for the deal to go through. Hence the proposal goes ahead.
this whole scene left me wondering if she's scapegoating her husband; the other possibility is that her husband is in on it. could be they're working as a team and all the marital tension is a ruse.
Mon Montha actions may appear like Domestic drama is not something the ISB can hold over her head BUT Perrin could be bought if they offer to "help"and he flips and becomes informant feeding this addiction- he's already cozy with palpatine's inner circle whining and dining with them. In that regard, if she kicks him under the speeder when she goes full time rebel won't be so bad. Her daughter going traditional removes another potential axe but being the type of person she is she will probably pledge her loyalty and join the Imperial forces and be a ISB intern!
Just wanted to say thanks for your videos man. I'm really enjoying these.
And thank you! I really do appreciate that
It was such a great finale. I cried….a lot!! 😊Great overall show without even the use of a lightsaber. Humanized people again
Thanks for the positive content. Is sad we have many Star Wars fans who have become racist and intolerant and their comments on actors that have played roles in SW have been truly brutal.. SW is the opposite. Those are not true SW fans. Thank goodness is not the majority. Have a blessed day everyone.
You don't get to be a senator for long in Star Wars if your not willing to learn to go underhand, behind backs, cheat, lie and downright manipulate the system to your own ends. Every move has to be 3D chess, thinking over all of the ramifications. I have a theory that she told Perrin (whom I'm sure she would say was also an accomplice) what would happen to him if the Empire came knocking and found out the truth, so he willingly took the blame of gambling debts so they could, for now, keep up their nice lifestyle. I agree with the tradition and arranged marriage being good for the daughter. Also her being married off would offer some level of protection, after all her father in law is one of the biggest gangsters out there, and he's living the life seemingly without too much fear.
She still follows through on the introduction to cover the future money she'll move around
@Star Wars Fanatic As I see it, Mon Mothma had no choice and she had to do what she had to do. She is in a loveless marriage of convenience and from Genieve O' Reilly's astounding acting, you could tell Mon Mothma can't stand her husband, barely tolerates him and finds him repugnant for so many reasons that we don't know about. She is only being civil to him for the sake of her daughter. There is no love lost there and that is why she didn't hesitate to throw him under the bus. I didn't see her as being cold or her as being the big B.
As for her daughter, I could see that Mon Mothma struggled so very much to allow her daughter to go ahead with this Chandrillan tradition, you could see it on her face, the disgust. I don't think it was to make her daughter happy, it was a practical decision. If it wasn't for the financial mess she is in, she wouldn't have allowed it to go ahead despite her daughter being all for it. Perrin didn't seem to care and just went along with it as he only cares about himself and what he could get out of the marriage in terms of perks.
You’re not wrong. There are so many angles to these stories. Just, as a father, I don’t know if I could bring myself to offering up my daughter for any cause. No matter how great. Especially knowing that Davo is shady.
Congrats on 20k!!
Thank you!
Considering all that Luthen Rael said he gave up for the Rebellion…this fits perfectly!
This is the way. I have spoken….
This is the way
Perrin did seem genuine in his defense and confusion at Mon Mothma’s accusation. But,
as a problem gambler, he has likely used up any goodwill and second chances in the past and also you can see the resignation on his face as he knows Mon will not believe him. Alastair Mackenzie does an awesome acting job in this scene.
The whole show is great...Yours too Fanatic.
Thank you! And I couldn’t agree more about the show
Mon Mothma is a badass. Period.
I secretly think that she, Luthen, Vel and Lonnie are related somehow. They all look alike.
As for the subterfuge of her marriage, that is a brilliant stroke of genius. Perrin is cowardly and broke so I'm thinking their marriage was like the wealthy US marriages of the 19th century where the girl had the money and the guy had the prestige or the title. Seeing as he served in the military makes me think it even more. I think the Only thing that bothers Mon is that it involves Davo, a thug. Love this series. Not gonna think too hard on it since none of us have the genius of Tony Gilroy who has done a fabulous job from Rogue One til now. Can't wait to season 2.
I couldn’t agree more. She is a bad ass. And you’re right, none of us can know what Tony Gilroy has in store next. Thank you
Eh, we think Davo is a "thug." But what does that mean? Just because Mon Mothma looks down her nose at him doesn't necessarily mean much. All we know is that he can launder money. There are senators who are bleeding their planets dry for their own pleasures. There are whole planets devoted to gambling and other vices. Corruption ran rampant through the Republic and continues in the Empire.
Her Husband is in on it. Remember he worked with the gangster before. It was an act by everyone but the daughter
There were a few ways of trying to account for the missing funds and accusing her husband of gambling them away is one of them. A few other people suggested Val provide her a replacement with the credits stolen from Aldahni. The final offer was from Davo and the "introduction".
I was a little surprised to see the gambling accusation, but understood that was something Mon was using in an attempted excuse for the missing credits. Although, it surprised me more that she then went through with the introduction. I wondered if Mon didn't trust Davo and was attempting to find alternative ways out if Davo should betray her. She could also "combine" the gambling accusation with the "introduction" promise, and claim her husband owes money to Davo, who acted like a loan shark, and she was forced to introduce her daughter as a way of covering for the debit.
The introduction is payment for his future services as her money launderer. She dodged one bullet, but it's the only way she can keep funneling money to the rebels.
Replacing the credits would be wildly dangerous. They'd already been looking at her accounts -- they new about the "unusual transactions" that Mon had used to try to mask her money trail -- so if a mysterious 400K suddenly popped up with no clear source, they'd start digging to find out where it came from. That would be bad news for Mon, then Vel, then Luthen.
@CantankerousDave I'd be afraid if Mon got Davo involved in more "transactions" and he found out it was for funding Rebel activity, he may use that to blackmail her for more "favors".. I'm sure she's trying to create a scenario where there's multiple explanations for the missing transactions. I'm almost convinced that the "gambling" excuse is part of the ploy with Davo, and the missing funds are "to pay him off", and Davo will simply tell the Empire he had loaned Perrin money for gambling and he had to pay him back
Mon Mothma became a fugitive because she publicly denounced the Emperor in her capacity as an Imperial Senator. That’s how it was portrayed in SW: Rebels.
Yes, the Ghorman massacre was the straw that broke the camel’s back. But her financial dealings have put her on their radar. That was mentioned. I have an updated video coming out tomorrow that explains a bit more of what I meant. Thank you
Using the driver had a different purpose. If covering the previous transactions was the goal, we would not have seen the introduction of her daughter to the bankers son at the end. This conversation was to give context to the upcoming interactions with Davos. They would not be able to keep the courting secret for long.
Yep. The introduction was payment for his future services as her money launderer.
Exactly. ISB would be very curious why the prestigious Motha family is allying itself with Davos in such a public way. On the political level it creates a new powerful faction with vast financial resources and influence in both the highest levels of high society and in the criminal underworld. If the ISB thinks that this is simply Davos social climbing using blackmail than they will not see it as a threat to the Empire.
I think Mon Mothma went through with the traditional introduction for her daughter because she realized she not only had to cover up the 400k just in case, but any future rebel involvement is basically shut down altogether without the banker’s help.
To quote Luthern "What have I sacrificed?..................... Everything!" Mon Mothma has sacrificed her husband and daughter for the cause. Another cold calculating move by those organising the Rebellion
Sir I agree with your speculation I think it's on point and everything she did does cover the banking disputes she has. But when she does go on the run I feel it will be a cornucopia of other factors that finally makes her leave. That we haven't seen yet. 👁️
The biggest factor will be the Ghorman issue. That’s what it is in Rebels, anyway.
That 400,000 credits won't be the last time she'll need Davo to cover her tracks, and now Davo will have to do so to protect his own family.
I think you may be mistaken about the funds Mon Mothma is using. These aren't Imperial or Senate funds. They're her own. She moves them from her personal banks to the rebellion through her charities. Unfortunately for her, the Empire is monitoring her financial activities which is why she has to resort to this subterfuge. By accusing her husband of gambling, the Empire thinks she is resorting to dealing with Davos in order to replace the missing funds. Just minor details, though. I'm pretty much in agreement with your analysis of how Mon threw her husband under the bus in order to hide her activities from the Empire and how she sacrificed her principles and set up the introduction of her daughter.
I said they were from her family’s account…
@@STARWARS_FANATIC my bad
She doesn't care about her husband from what I have seen...loveless marriage of convenience but as for daughter that killed her inside, but it was what she had to do.
what's going for your fan fictions similar to the jango fett open season comics 1 that you did n also the boba and jodo kast?
What do you mean?
@@STARWARS_FANATIC like how you did the 7 part series fan fiction of how jodo impersonated boba n boba ended taking him under his wing like that Im talking about
isb supervisor kreiger, lol little mistake. thats isb supervisor Blevin they were interupted with news about kreiger in that scene who is the rebel leader attacking the power station
Yeah I noticed the f… up when I watched it after it published. Stupid editing mistakes are killing me.
Was truly irritated of this first too. But repeat it once more. Thats not what they are saying!
They say: "(Hey Blevin, the) Kreegyr, (conference meeting is right now.) you´re missing it!"
It´s just the empire mindset, efficiency and abbrevitations to the bone.
At least that Imp got the virtue to let the driver finishing his words and wait some seconds for that.
Perrin definitely has not seemed like someone who can be trusted at all. It's a weird dynamic. I feel like he could be an imperial informer himself, but that could just be intentional misdirection.
@@standingin6148 I so agree...he only cares about himself..
This made me just realise that Mon used her husband as a scapegoat to cover the 400k. Then used the marriage to get an extra 400k for the rebellion. Basically sold her own daughter for funding and future funding from a family bank
By letting the Empire think they have the answer to the missing funds, they will stop looking deeper. It’s a brilliant bit of misdirection. It also allows anyone looking to dig deeper into her (innocent) husbands affairs. No matter how deep they dig, they can’t find something that is not there
Great video. This series is set 5 bby. She doesn’t run and rescued by the Ghost team in Rebels until 2 bby. So we’ve a long way to go.
Lieda’s adherence to old Chandrilan ways is very Hitler youth esque.
Indeed she seemed willing to go along with the arranged marriage as well.
When I seen that scene, that was exactly what i thought was going on....
Threw him under the bus? People in the comments, y’all trippin. You think the emperor CARES if Perrin is indulging in his gambling habit? They don’t, I’m sure. That is the smartest thing she could have done. Use an excuse that the emperor wouldn’t care about and move on.
Yup, I agree...
Exactly!
Couldn't Luthen just give Mon the missing 400k?
He's just made 80M.
Yes but there’s the question of how it got there. Davi can alter the records as if it were never gone.
Not very happy with the "B" word for a woman who does things with much less impact Luthen is praised for.
So you’re taking about how great StarWars is while showing scenes from the (Jar Jar Binks) Phantom Menace at the start of your video? 😳
"An addict wouldn't lie about their addiction!" certainly is... a take. And not a good one.
Any former addict I have spoken with is very open about their past.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC Then you have an incredibly small sample size. And that's not even what I'm saying, I'm saying his words are precisely what an addict hiding his addiction would say.
@@Alfanumericablate so, you think SHE was telling the truth?
Mon went in2 “getting a divorce mode!” That’s bitch mode times 3 🤣 although calling women bitches isn’t sitting well with me 🤣 sorry Ladies!
I mean “Bitches!” 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, I regret that one. I think to me it’s more about putting her daughter into a shady situation. I don’t know if I could do it.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC I dunno 🤷🏻♂️ I got 2 sisters I’m sure they coulda benefited from my dad shoving them off to anime family 🤣
@@STARWARS_FANATIC I got they pics btw I need email address to send them to! I’m joking about my blisters 😉 I mean sisters 🤣
@@owenywanperoni7939 my email is on my about page on this channel. I can’t wait to see
If the show was of mid quality such as the hexagloy or low quality like pretty much the rest of Disney sw sans rogue one then yes, she would’ve not done it.
But Andor is brilliantly and thus believably and immersively written, thus that really was her only recourse out of the self-laid trap. Rebellions incur great costs.
A think about the implications and consequences: she threw her husband under the bus, at the same time she extracted him from any connection beyond that unhappy marriage should she be found out. As for her daughter…she wants it and Mon finally obliged. At the same time Sculdun, as unsavoury as he may perhaps be, is powerful and wealthy and thus a potentially good ally to have who lives in both the high and low places.
I agree completely. I really can’t wait for season 2. You should see my newer videos on Andor. So much more in depth.
Brilliant move.
When she fleas they will see it as an escape from her life.. not her breaking free of the empire
She got even hotter when she went into B mode. 🥰
Yeah mon!
I would think the driver would know of his gambling adventures unless of course the hubby has his own driver.. just saying ;-)
He was a new driver 😉
@@STARWARS_FANATIC ohhh sh!t.. yes! I totally forgot!!! Thank's 8-)
The gambling addiction will help for now I don’t think she likes her husband much anymore The daughter is rebelling against her parents too in her own way trust
Boss Mode... but virgins dont understand the difference
I guess we must have different ideas as to what a girl boss is. To me, they don’t throw their husband under a bus, and they don’t pawn their daughters off on shady businessmen in order to cover their own tracks.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC do you understand the stakes here?
@@tschysas the stakes are high for sure.
@@STARWARS_FANATIC yes its the entire known univers vs a daughter who wants marry and a man who doesnt seem to care.... Thats bossmode...
Would it be only her career, that would be bitchy
@@tschysas no it’s the date of the galaxy. I’m not arguing that. I just don’t think I could throw my wife and kids out into it.
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I was thinking the same thing. That this is an example of a Rebel doing something evil. Throwing her own husband under the bus is pretty shady. Nothing about her husband Perrin rises to the level of "he deserves this" status. He's a bit of a buffoon, and a party boy, but pretty much an innocent. He's being destroyed by Machiavellian machinations of his own wife for no reason other than he's a convenient scapegoat.
Well we don't really know much about their marriage, clearly she can't stand him.
@@LaraA55 We have actually been told enough about their marriage to make a judgment here. Right from the beginning we've seen that neither her husband nor her daughter can stand her. They exchange knowing glances of derision about her. That level of derision must've been earned over many years. It seems she's throwing Perrin under the bus for the same reason that Luthen is throwing Kreeger's entire cell of Rebels under the bus: self-survival. Thinking about nothing but themselves, not even worrying about their own family or allies. We were told at the beginning of the series to watch out for Imperials doing good things, and Rebels doing evil things. Luthen and Mon are the Rebels doing evil things, and we see Supervisor Lonni being the Imperial double-agent helping the Rebels being the good guy.
@@bbbl67 yes this is what I said as well... But we don't know why they all can't stand one another, the exact circumstances.... We see it all from their body language and a few sentences here and there.
@@LaraA55 Don't get me wrong, I actually think this makes Mothma a more realistic more complex character. You can't be a leader in a rebellion without being someone who makes tough even ruthless decisions sometimes. Mothma and Luthen serve that purpose, two sides of the same coin.
Remember though, the ISB doesn't care about his gambling debts, they care about the Senators; they so much as said so. What's more, he's a dude in a male dominated regime, they will barely give his indiscretion a second thought. She knows very well what she's doing is cunning but it's not evil. IMHO
How it's possible to not care? If you have a theory you would like to be right, saying otherwise is a ether a lie or if is correct then you are doing it from the wrong reasons. Everyone would like to be proven correct, literally everyone. I do understand why you said it, it's because to stop the fans to troll you if you are proven wrong but that can't be true if you really care about the SW as you claim to be. Regards.