Great video guys! Very impressed with the thorough upgrades made to the Cinema 30 over the 8015 which I already enjoy immensely. Phil is a great brand rep as he's knowledgeable and excited about these new products. And thank you Marantz engineers for making these awesome machines!
I just upgraded to the C30 from a C50 and Rotel external amp. Different planet performance wise. Not cheap but absolutely worth it to me. This thing just feels special and exudes quality. That metal remote...lovely
@@andrewlee7228 My Rotel was a 1555 multi channel amp not a 2 channel but the C30 is much better for music listening than the C50 and separate amp combo. Will it outperform a high end 2 channel system, of course not but it gives that warm Marantz sound and is on par with mid fi 2 channel gear in my opinion.
Since Denon and Marantz were taken over by Masimo, the products prices have rocketed. Now, they are pushing Marantz prices into the stratosphere. That after 6 months, big discounts are offered on the release price
@@empire7179 I watched a video by audioloics the Masimo man was begging it cost more to make marantz. They lie. All is about marketing and how they can sell value. Marantz always had HDAM, and a different transformer, they are taking the consumer for mugs.
That’s what I’m waiting for!!! I don’t need 15ch of the av10 and the 7706 is worse then their AVR at this point I feel. I hope they make a lower cost preamp soon
Six height speaker channel outputs! This is one of the few receivers that has this capability, right? I don’t even think there is a movie mastered in Dolby Atmos to take advantage of this yet but how incredible that the Cinema 30 has this option!
thanks Gene & Phil.. always so informative to hear you guys rap.. Looking for an Cinema 30 owners thread on AVSForum cant find one yet.. hopefully soon!
I just picked up an 8015 on close out. It sounds amazing! My strategy is to buy flagship products when they can be found at a steep discount (40% or so). So I'm three years behind the latest and greatest but you can get much better sound per dollar this way. There's no doubt the new Cinema 30 is an awesome product and I'll lie in wait until a great deal can be found!
I appreciate Marantz, having owned their AVRs and Processors (8805) for years. But I don't know about the benefits of HDAM. I recently switched to an ARCAM AV41 and I am getting noticeably improved clarity and dynamic range. For example, I recently re-watched Dune Part 1 and it was ridiculous all of the little audio effects and quiet dialogue that I never heard during multiple viewings of the movie with my 8805; dynamic range was also ridiculously improved since I was literally shocked / blown away during transitions from quiet to loud in a manner with the ARCAM that I had never before experienced with any other product. Again, Marantz is not bad at all and it holds a special place in my heart since their products have been the heart of my system for the better part of a decade... but ARCAM (even with my manual calibration, but especially with DIRAC) is a definitive upgrade over Marantz IMO. (Marantz is way more user friendly, though. So as long as you can get over the learning-curve of using the ARCAM and you don't care about its outdated GUI, I think you'll agree with me.)
@@whitecrowuk575 How do you know that the AV41 won't eventually get ART? And I do see the Marantz improvements, including the apparent ability to turn the HDAM effects off. I will admit that the AV41 has infrequently given me a few bugs in setup (not in regular operation) that I never encountered with Marantz. But HEOS was always extremely buggy on all of my Marantz products, and I just can't get over the improvements in room correction (maybe moot now,) dynamic range, and clarity with ARCAM.
I really miss how Denon in the past used to mention the number of DACs per channel and even their model numbers. Not sure why companies are hiding that technical info nowdays.
Hi I got Def Technology In wall speakers. My configuration is 7.2.4 3x UIW RLS II 4x DT8LCR 4x UIW RCS II Do you think I need a pre amplifier to power them all or this flagship marantz 30 can handle them all? Thank you
I was waiting for this model to come out but I got such a good price over here in the UK on the Denon AVC-X8500HA (no tuner over here so an AV amp as opposed to a receiver and I have a separate tuner anyway) so I decided to buy it. I bought it for £2,249 so it was a no brainer for me. My previous AV amp was the Denon AVC-A11XV but of course no Dolby Atmos or DTS:X capability plus with the 8500HA I have the latest HDMI spec and other up to date specs, I had the 11XV for eighteen years and it's still "like new". I'll let you work out the £ to $ conversion on the 8500HA.
The great news is that the EU/UK AVC-X8500HA variant has MPEG-H (Sony's 360 Reality Audio) support like the latest models 2022/23/24 D+M AVR/AVP models ;)
I appreciate that Marantz/Denon work with Sony 360 spatial but I’m not going to an Amazon firestick or other Amazon streaming product. What I would like from Marantz/Denon in the future is support for two sets of side surround speakers for those with multiple rows.
@Audioholics Hey Gene, I was wondering with your next catch up with Phil Jones if you could bring up the issue with the DTS Virtual:X virtualizer still being prohibited from using Dolby signals? This cross-format upmixing restriction issue that is still present even on the latest D+M X6800H/Cinema 30 AVR models has been a pet peeve of mine for quite some time, the Dolby cross-format restrictions have been abolished now for the past 4 years so this really shouldn't be present anymore on D+M's AVR/AVPs, can you please bring it to Phil Jones' attention or your contact at Masimo, it'd be greatly appreciated if they could remove this restriction in a future firmware update :)
I had a Denon X6700H for a few weeks an returned it regarding video degradation. Was thinking about going to Marantz sr8015 but was told it used the same video processing board. So now I’m wondering should I go with the Onkyo RZ70 or the Sony 5000es. But sad I wouldn’t have the ability to add a external amp for 13channels. Oh and all are currently available for $2,000. Thoughts?
I really hope the 30 can get Dirac ART. I am badly in need of a new preamp/receiver to replace my Marantz 7007 but I am really trying to hold out until something more reasonable supports ART and this on the used market would be nearing the price I would call reasonable. Hopefully it would also work on the 50 since I do not really need the wattage so that extra cost would be a waste of money for me. I only use the receiver amps for side channels.
Question: Lets say I have the Wharfedale Elysian 2 speakers that are 250W into 4Ω, and I want to listen to stereo, if I bi-wire these with the Marantz Cinema 30 in 2 channel stereo will it meet the 250W into 4Ω requirement of the Elysian 2?
Great presentation. There are even more differences between the SR8015 and the C30 than cosmetics, Dirac support, and 4 subwoofer outputs. I currently own an SR8015 and am very happy with it. I will extract every ounce of value out of my SR8015 before considering an upgrade. Regardless, keep these interviews and presentations coming. This is the kind of information that really drives decision making and yet it is the least important information to share from a marketing perspective. One question concerning Gene's slide deck. What's up with Channel 4 on the slide at about the 11-minute mark? Seems like a glaring issue that you guys simply ignored.
Hello Gene, im on a budget i was between the yamaha RX A4A vs onkyo rz50 only for a 5.1 for now small room running an svs speakers my worry is the reability
This new company that took over Marantz and Denon are going to lose money because these prices are ridiculous. I want to upgrade my Marantz SR-6015 but not at these prices. I mean I'm not poor but I'm not rich either.
Yeah, would be happy to upgrade if there was something meaningful. They barely improve, in denon case they went backwards with higher price. I want more channels, more power, possibly ditching the ab class to higher power d class, 200w per channel at 5 channel driven would be nice, 100 sinad, and 15.2 channel processing minimum. Could pay 5000usd for that but no more.
To get something significantly better you would need a Storm/Trinnov etc and they will cost three times as much. So the pricing of the Denon/Marantz is fair in context of the market
So revolutionary that mini dsp does much better job at subwoofer management and has much better eq possibilities with lower distortion and minimal price.
No it doesn't. Mdsp is fine if your processor doesn't have independent subs and EQ available but it's always better to do it in the processor than through an external box. I dumped my mdsp years ago and never looked back.
How is the channel separation on the Cinema 30 compared to the AV7706? Debating if I should buy the Cinema 30 and run it in full preamp mode for my 7.2.4 system or wait for the AV7706 replacement. Thank you.
I’m sort of wondering something similar in terms of channel separation. Need a new processor now. However, I would not buy the C30 just to use entirely in pre amp mode though if it were me. Historically the 7000 series pre pros from marantz have been around $500 cheaper than the C30 equivalent AVR that includes the amp section.
you leave out multichannel input and you call this thing an upgrade from the 8015? and don't say that multichannel is outdated since you still have component video
@@Audioholics that maybe true but HDMI SACD can't hold a candle to my old Onkyo TX-SR606 multi-channel and Sony DVP-NC875V SACD player. Sound quality is undeniably better with multi-channel. Stats may say otherwise but my ears say MULTI :)
@sethmiller5413 SACD w digital connection and bass management is superior to using the player DAC and bass management. You have something set really wrong if you found otherwise.
Great video guys! Very impressed with the thorough upgrades made to the Cinema 30 over the 8015 which I already enjoy immensely. Phil is a great brand rep as he's knowledgeable and excited about these new products. And thank you Marantz engineers for making these awesome machines!
I always love updates from Phil Jones!
Love Phil! Very reasonable and smart! Always great to see him !
Just bought the Cinema 70s for the bedroom. Got a great deal on it! Can't wait to set it up.
The Denon A1H is a monster!
I just upgraded to the C30 from a C50 and Rotel external amp. Different planet performance wise. Not cheap but absolutely worth it to me. This thing just feels special and exudes quality. That metal remote...lovely
the rotel was a stereo amp? if so, the c30 can surpass a dedicated stereo amp for music?
@@andrewlee7228 My Rotel was a 1555 multi channel amp not a 2 channel but the C30 is much better for music listening than the C50 and separate amp combo. Will it outperform a high end 2 channel system, of course not but it gives that warm Marantz sound and is on par with mid fi 2 channel gear in my opinion.
Since Denon and Marantz were taken over by Masimo, the products prices have rocketed. Now, they are pushing Marantz prices into the stratosphere. That after 6 months, big discounts are offered on the release price
So that's why the prices has double.
@@empire7179 I watched a video by audioloics the Masimo man was begging it cost more to make marantz. They lie. All is about marketing and how they can sell value. Marantz always had HDAM, and a different transformer, they are taking the consumer for mugs.
I’ve known Marantz products for the past 20 years. They’ve always had premium pricing, it’s nothing new.
@@kilo6490actually in the 70’s that wasn’t the case.
Everything has skyrocketed in price due to the highest inflation in 40 yrs. Not just marantz and denon AVRs are examples of this.
I love and own both Denon and Marantz.
Do they actually sound different even after running Audyssey or dirac
Gene, any chances you would do a test/review on Integra 8.4?
When will pre/pro Av20 be released?
That’s what I’m waiting for!!! I don’t need 15ch of the av10 and the 7706 is worse then their AVR at this point I feel. I hope they make a lower cost preamp soon
Any Marantz AV15 or AV20 in the near future ?? Could use a new processor but the AV10 price is a bit much ...
Six height speaker channel outputs! This is one of the few receivers that has this capability, right? I don’t even think there is a movie mastered in Dolby Atmos to take advantage of this yet but how incredible that the Cinema 30 has this option!
thanks Gene & Phil.. always so informative to hear you guys rap.. Looking for an Cinema 30 owners thread on AVSForum cant find one yet.. hopefully soon!
I love these flagships.. thank you for nerding out for us! One day I will own one, one day...
I just picked up an 8015 on close out. It sounds amazing! My strategy is to buy flagship products when they can be found at a steep discount (40% or so). So I'm three years behind the latest and greatest but you can get much better sound per dollar this way. There's no doubt the new Cinema 30 is an awesome product and I'll lie in wait until a great deal can be found!
I appreciate Marantz, having owned their AVRs and Processors (8805) for years. But I don't know about the benefits of HDAM. I recently switched to an ARCAM AV41 and I am getting noticeably improved clarity and dynamic range. For example, I recently re-watched Dune Part 1 and it was ridiculous all of the little audio effects and quiet dialogue that I never heard during multiple viewings of the movie with my 8805; dynamic range was also ridiculously improved since I was literally shocked / blown away during transitions from quiet to loud in a manner with the ARCAM that I had never before experienced with any other product. Again, Marantz is not bad at all and it holds a special place in my heart since their products have been the heart of my system for the better part of a decade... but ARCAM (even with my manual calibration, but especially with DIRAC) is a definitive upgrade over Marantz IMO. (Marantz is way more user friendly, though. So as long as you can get over the learning-curve of using the ARCAM and you don't care about its outdated GUI, I think you'll agree with me.)
There are big improvements here though- better dac, better noise. Dac is similar to Arcams now. And you will get ART, AV41 won’t
@@whitecrowuk575 How do you know that the AV41 won't eventually get ART? And I do see the Marantz improvements, including the apparent ability to turn the HDAM effects off. I will admit that the AV41 has infrequently given me a few bugs in setup (not in regular operation) that I never encountered with Marantz. But HEOS was always extremely buggy on all of my Marantz products, and I just can't get over the improvements in room correction (maybe moot now,) dynamic range, and clarity with ARCAM.
I really miss how Denon in the past used to mention the number of DACs per channel and even their model numbers. Not sure why companies are hiding that technical info nowdays.
What are the DAC chips on SR8015 if buying new today
It’s the Texas Instruments DAC. C30 has the new ESS DAC.
If you compare marantz to denon. Why dont you compare products that are priced alike. So maybe cinema30 vs x8500ha for instance) instead of x6800?
Gene, if you want a hdmi in the front, just turn your Marantz AVR around. I think it looks cool that way, like the 90s stock exchange.
Hi I got Def Technology In wall speakers. My configuration is 7.2.4
3x UIW RLS II
4x DT8LCR
4x UIW RCS II
Do you think I need a pre amplifier to power them all or this flagship marantz 30 can handle them all? Thank you
I was waiting for this model to come out but I got such a good price over here in the UK on the Denon AVC-X8500HA (no tuner over here so an AV amp as opposed to a receiver and I have a separate tuner anyway) so I decided to buy it. I bought it for £2,249 so it was a no brainer for me. My previous AV amp was the Denon AVC-A11XV but of course no Dolby Atmos or DTS:X capability plus with the 8500HA I have the latest HDMI spec and other up to date specs, I had the 11XV for eighteen years and it's still "like new". I'll let you work out the £ to $ conversion on the 8500HA.
The great news is that the EU/UK AVC-X8500HA variant has MPEG-H (Sony's 360 Reality Audio) support like the latest models 2022/23/24 D+M AVR/AVP models ;)
I appreciate that Marantz/Denon work with Sony 360 spatial but I’m not going to an Amazon firestick or other Amazon streaming product. What I would like from Marantz/Denon in the future is support for two sets of side surround speakers for those with multiple rows.
Agreed. I've been asking for dual side surround support for quite some time now. 🤞
@Audioholics Hey Gene, I was wondering with your next catch up with Phil Jones if you could bring up the issue with the DTS Virtual:X virtualizer still being prohibited from using Dolby signals? This cross-format upmixing restriction issue that is still present even on the latest D+M X6800H/Cinema 30 AVR models has been a pet peeve of mine for quite some time, the Dolby cross-format restrictions have been abolished now for the past 4 years so this really shouldn't be present anymore on D+M's AVR/AVPs, can you please bring it to Phil Jones' attention or your contact at Masimo, it'd be greatly appreciated if they could remove this restriction in a future firmware update :)
I had a Denon X6700H for a few weeks an returned it regarding video degradation. Was thinking about going to Marantz sr8015 but was told it used the same video processing board. So now I’m wondering should I go with the Onkyo RZ70 or the Sony 5000es. But sad I wouldn’t have the ability to add a external amp for 13channels. Oh and all are currently available for $2,000. Thoughts?
Hi, please help me, what choice's best! "Yamaha A8A New" - "Marantz Sr8015 New" or "Marantz Cinema 30 refurbished"? I have 7.2.4 channels
Wow. Just wow!! 🎉
Do you suggest using a cooling fan for the new Marantz receivers regardless of cabinet space to help with the heat? Thank you.
I really hope the 30 can get Dirac ART. I am badly in need of a new preamp/receiver to replace my Marantz 7007 but I am really trying to hold out until something more reasonable supports ART and this on the used market would be nearing the price I would call reasonable. Hopefully it would also work on the 50 since I do not really need the wattage so that extra cost would be a waste of money for me. I only use the receiver amps for side channels.
Amazing as always .. informative, entertaining..love it. Amazon max 4k stick is fantastic for spacial audio on prime music.
Phil is always awesome! Anyone hear of any new Polk speakers coming out this year?
So the SR8015 should also be able to do dirac.
I don't know if I can trust Marantz after my AV7705 did not sound nearly as good as my Denon x3600H. Kept the Denon
The 7705 was weak. But it's getting replaced at least.
After hearing the 70s I just had to get the 30. It is way better than my AV7705 using the same Amps
Question: Lets say I have the Wharfedale Elysian 2 speakers that are 250W into 4Ω, and I want to listen to stereo, if I bi-wire these with the Marantz Cinema 30 in 2 channel stereo will it meet the 250W into 4Ω requirement of the Elysian 2?
Unfortunately, the front HDMI has been removed just at the time when REW and MiniDSP are becoming more popular.
It would be nice the LFE routing to work with Audyssey and/or Dirac
It currently works with Audyssey, not Dirac.
Great presentation. There are even more differences between the SR8015 and the C30 than cosmetics, Dirac support, and 4 subwoofer outputs. I currently own an SR8015 and am very happy with it. I will extract every ounce of value out of my SR8015 before considering an upgrade. Regardless, keep these interviews and presentations coming. This is the kind of information that really drives decision making and yet it is the least important information to share from a marketing perspective.
One question concerning Gene's slide deck. What's up with Channel 4 on the slide at about the 11-minute mark? Seems like a glaring issue that you guys simply ignored.
Ch4 us subwoofer output. No issue. I was running 1khz sweep which is filtered out on that channel.
@@Audioholics Thank you for the clarification. Had me worried there for a few seconds. :)
Want this so bad. My Marantz AV7702MKII needs an upgrade.
Is the quick media switching (QMS) been fixed in the Cinema 30?
If I could buy this in Canada for $4500 I would buy it in a sec...but I cant ...Got any sales for Canada Masimo?
When running Audyssey Deos that change the warmth of marantz sound to sound bright or like denon ect
Will this be Roon Ready or no ?
Hi guys? The Marantz Cinema 30 has a , Adam sa-2 dual dac
Hello Gene, im on a budget i was between the yamaha RX A4A vs onkyo rz50 only for a 5.1 for now small room running an svs speakers my worry is the reability
Yamaha all day long in your situation and twice on Tuesday's.
@@Audioholics thanks Gene
@@Audioholics another the Rx a4a vs the marantz cinema 60
Should i upgrade to this from my AV7706 ?
Yes!
@@Audioholics can i still use this has a AV Separate? I have the MM7055 with the AV7706.
If it is as good as the AV10 as preamp, what's the reason for buying the Av10? just 2 more channels?
Yes and XLR
3600H and 3 channel power amp on the front C L R as my towers handle 200w each .
I have one room Denon and the other Marantz.
I was going to buy the denon 8500ha but after watching this am going to get the Marantz cinema 30
Don't forget to use our affiliate links 😉
www.audioadvice.com/marantz-cinema-30-11-4-channel-home-theater-receiver?referral=audioholics
@@Audioholics thank you
This new company that took over Marantz and Denon are going to lose money because these prices are ridiculous. I want to upgrade my Marantz SR-6015 but not at these prices. I mean I'm not poor but I'm not rich either.
Yeah, would be happy to upgrade if there was something meaningful. They barely improve, in denon case they went backwards with higher price. I want more channels, more power, possibly ditching the ab class to higher power d class, 200w per channel at 5 channel driven would be nice, 100 sinad, and 15.2 channel processing minimum. Could pay 5000usd for that but no more.
To get something significantly better you would need a Storm/Trinnov etc and they will cost three times as much. So the pricing of the Denon/Marantz is fair in context of the market
Sorry miss print, Adam sa-2 dual dac
I have sr8015 marantz in holland we have the euro i have him for 2500. Euro and that was cheap in holland great reciver it is for me.
Denon A1H or Marantz Cinema 30? I say go for broke and get the AV10 ans Amp 😂
Amazon Stick Gen 2 and Amazon Prime HD music to get Sony Reality 360 on mains (not headphones)
Viewers need to remember to click the like 👍 button people TY let's go. Thank you Gene. Being the working poor sux 😅
Waiting for the day marantz uses black PCB's to match the copper
So revolutionary that mini dsp does much better job at subwoofer management and has much better eq possibilities with lower distortion and minimal price.
No it doesn't. Mdsp is fine if your processor doesn't have independent subs and EQ available but it's always better to do it in the processor than through an external box. I dumped my mdsp years ago and never looked back.
How is the channel separation on the Cinema 30 compared to the AV7706? Debating if I should buy the Cinema 30 and run it in full preamp mode for my 7.2.4 system or wait for the AV7706 replacement. Thank you.
I’m sort of wondering something similar in terms of channel separation. Need a new processor now. However, I would not buy the C30 just to use entirely in pre amp mode though if it were me. Historically the 7000 series pre pros from marantz have been around $500 cheaper than the C30 equivalent AVR that includes the amp section.
I have been using Marantz for 15 years. Why do they insist on hiding what DACs they use? Frustrating. Still a super fan tho :)
The Marantz Cinema 30 has Dual ESS 9017S Sabre DACS.
@@jackmehoff1832 I thought it has a chip for each channel? Or am I thinking of the AV10?
Whom ever was typing on a 1927-era typewriter with clogers, please don’t do that for the next stream…
Those processors look like computers from 15 years ago.
you leave out multichannel input and you call this thing an upgrade from the 8015? and don't say that multichannel is outdated since you still have component video
Multich inputs are no longer needed w HDMI. Do the bass management in digital domain for DVD-A and SACD.
@@Audioholics that maybe true but HDMI SACD can't hold a candle to my old Onkyo TX-SR606 multi-channel and Sony DVP-NC875V SACD player. Sound quality is undeniably better with multi-channel. Stats may say otherwise but my ears say MULTI :)
@sethmiller5413 SACD w digital connection and bass management is superior to using the player DAC and bass management. You have something set really wrong if you found otherwise.
the average consumer can not afford this, 11 speakers is nuts, 5 channels done right is plenty good
It's not made for the average consumer, just like a Porsche 911 isn't made for the average car buyer.
Buy what suits you and your pocket
I run a B@k through a 7 channel dac watching a movie in tru hd through my pc. B@k has more power then this
For me MARANTZ it's more better than denon in parts LESS PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE
Well QA is not spot on, i have a av10 with one dead height channel. I need to bring it back to dealer.
No thanks, to me it's not worth it I keep my recently SR8015 and goes great with My NAD Masters M28 Amplifier
Nice that sounds like a great pair! I have the 8015 paired with an Emotiva BasX A3 for the front stage. How’s your M28??
@HiFinest343 The NAD M28 blends in beautiful with the SR8015 through my Focal Kanta 2.
I'm sure they will feed your intentions directly back to the CEO of Masimo😂
Just bought the 8015 for $2000 new. 😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I got the same deal on one and couldn't pass it up so my daughter can go from SR6013 with 1 dead HDMI input to a brand new SR8015.
Why is that funny?
Philp Jones voice does not match his appearance. Great video tho.
😂 I see what you did there.