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@@ruthlessedgeboy8591 yes indeed you are.. but its not a specific fault on powercolor cards! my 6700xt has a loud coil wine, but its a MBA one! my msi 6900xt has no issues!! you can have this problem with every manufactor
As a 6600XT owner I can just say that I am absolutely blown away by the performance. When it comes to RT I don't think it makes a lot of sense on GPUs of this class... Sure, there might be console gamers that are perfectly fine playing games at 30fps. But for me, RT is more of a technical curiosity, you can turn it on, check out how it looks, but ultimately I think the majority of people will just enjoy 100+ fps compared to 30-45fps that RT often bring. Another thing that have surprised me with my switch from a GTX1070 to the Radeon 6600XT is that games generally renders smoother, there's less frametime spikes and hitching in them... I think AMDs complete driver overhaul is starting to pay off... It has been troublesome in some generations, but nowadays the cards just perform REALLY well.
@@BlackAxe101 happy to see an nvidia owner saying this. :) there are so many fanboys out there trying to justify RT and their purchases instead of taking a step back and looking at it realistically... I think media outlets like Digital Foundry are to blame as well. They are uncritically singing the nvidia gospel practically acting like an nvidia marketing channel. I wonder how many people they have inspired to buy 2000-series products, or the low-end up to mid-range 3000-series, only for them to be disappointed realizing that they actually can't use the feature although it has been promoted as "the future" and "future proofing". I mean nowadays DF mostly show RT performance with the 4090. Like what happened with old DF? That actually went back and looked adt budget hardware or how cards are holding up these days? It would be fun to see them re-visiting the 2000-series today. And see if their opinions have changed 😅
@@PixelShade Agree. Had some dude barking at me the other day to go watch digital foundry so than I linked him a older video from them that supported my point. He was trying to claim the PS5 = 2070 pc wise. Only true on games that run REALLY WELL on pc. Look at fallen order on pc compared to PS5, shits running like a 4090. So my claim of PS5 "has more powerful graphics" may not be entirely true when put into those words in regards to raw hardware. Although with optimizations always being better on ps5 recently, and games like GOW, and Spiderman ports running much better on ps5 than 2070. Pretty clear PS5 gives you a better experience on any modern game over a 2070. After having a 6900xt that refused to stop crashing under heavy load due to software issues I cant praise AMD either lol.
@@RudolfSikorsky Basically yeah. There is some small differences in like the chip design, and the clock speeds, but it has 12gb of VRAM. VERY close to the 6700 on paper.
A tip, you shouldn't use AMD GPUs with MSI afterburner because it can cause several conflict problems with Adrenalin, the ideal is to use More Power Tool together with Adrenalin, so everything works perfectly, in More Power Tool you have total control over the GPU, being able to do undervolting, release power, change the clock limit, modify the fans curve, and then just make the adjustments by adrenalin, I use it like this and I have no problems, it works on the RX 5000 and RX 6000, to do for monitoring I use CapframeX which I think is much better than Afterburner. Excellent comparison video.
@@Kylethejobber AB has everything i want to control - voltage, fan curve, memory & core clocks, power limit. Idk what else is there that i would need tbh. Yes, these option are in Adrenalin control panel, but for some reason they don't work as well, they don't tend to save properly for me, so i just use AB for that.
I just bough an RX 6800 XT. I always had nvidia, 750 ti, 1060 6gb. I think radeon software is so much better than people talking about it. Stable, i had no problem at all. Loving it!
AMD drivers just keep improving and improving performance, look at older cards still being completely relevant to this day (RX 580 and RX 5700 XT, for example)
Actually you made a nice comparison on software and driver optimization for both cards - Cyberbug and Arachnid man were always Nvidia sponsored, while AMD aims at esport titles - Warzone and Apex - as their data showed them their GPU users play such games mostly. Also important - Nvidia pushes its customers to buy the newest gen - Turing isn't supported very well now, while RDNA2 will see serious support as it is also in the consoles, steam deck, Ryzen 6000 parts and the iGPU for Ryzen 7000 desktop. DLSS and FSR results aren't tied to versions only, both are image reconstruction algorhytms and the resulting quality also depends on input defects, the algorhytms have differences, strengths and weaknesses plus of course optimization on the title or in the driver. For any sane person FSR wipes the floor with DLSS as its open source and works on cards before RTX from all brands - including intel iGPUs, in fact that's an idea for a video. However the public in the popular hardware channels is made of braindead consumers... Yeah, let them buy more, there's no financial crisis - if they run out of money no more power and no more presence online, would be better afterwards. Now the topic of buying a GPU is very complicated... It really depends on what they offer near you. You didn't really make a mistake or miss anything important there as differences are huge in each region and no one on the internet knows what's best on every market and base opinion on their own. But Nvidia rarely drop prices - yes they lowered the price of the 3090ti basically to half, they were forced to, but the 3060 didn't move - and it won't soon. The first 3060 you showed on Amazon was an 8GB model - Nvidia has 4 variants of the desktop 3060 now, 12GB, 8GB - barely better than a 3050, we can't even call it a 3050ti, rather super. There was a GDDR6X model, it was based on a cut down GA104 (3070-class die) if I recall correctly. Anyway customers should read carefully what they're buying. Nvidia also launched a GDDR6X 3060ti, absolute mess as usual. And what's even better - the planned 4060 and 4060ti have a 128bit bus and 8GB VRAM, that's a xx50 die if we compare to the gens prior. That means the 3060 won't drop in price as gen to gen gains will be negligible. AMD customers can and should choose from 6600 to 6700XT at this price range, really depends on what cards with what prices they offer in the said place. 6600 is usually priced as the 3050, 6600XT is in the range of the 3060 - and yes, one may even find a 6650XT at these prices, and the 6700XT is clearly better - if there's one at good price. I've seen 6700non-XT desktop cards - but are very rare, with 10GB memory and inferior chip bin obviously. While the 5700 and 5700XT are cool cards - they mostly compare to the 6600 and 6600XT respectively - I'd be careful with these as RDNA1 was good for mining Ethereum, so guess what their owners were doing - tripling their investment if they were smart enough to buy them in 2019. And new ones basically don't exist anymore.
if you just want more frames, AMD is a better buy. Nvdia is just ahead of new tech which makes it more appealing to buyers. Got me a 6700xt red devil for $250. Best deal ever.
I think this a overblown take. A take that is generally not taken into account is how everything on amd is build on to the driver, but they have worse 3'rd party integration.
nVidia driver overhead is always an issue, as frametimes issues and the warzone 2 and apex (CPU limited) results clearly show the power usage difference from the wall is crazy anyway, shows again that nVidia is using also more CPU power
I'd agree if the GPU usage was low in those two games, but the 2070 is clearly maxed out in both. There's simply no way for the frame rate in Apex for example to jump up even by 10% with a faster CPU.
One thing I noticed with my 6600XT is the higher VRAM usage with SAM turned on. It caused the card to max out the VRAM in some games which caused performance issues like you saw in Forza. I saw the same issue in Control. SAM allowing the CPU to access more RAM at a time is good but that seems to be an issue in some games. I have since upgraded to a 6700XT and haven't experienced the issue with that but it also has 12GB VRAM. Even in games that can max out the VRAM it doesn't seem to have that issue.
@@Tx_Jay_ I left it on because I had already finished Control but I also only used the card about 3 months before upgrading to a 6700XT because the prices dropped. However, I did some testing the other month with Hogwarts Legacy and it performed better with SAM off. I would recommend doing testing with games that use a lot of VRAM. Seems like more and more are starting to use a lot of VRAM now.
@@craig71686 hmm I see, but ok I'll have to do some testing cause this is my second time hearing this. I just built my first rig with the RX6600, would a upgrade to a 6700 be worth it? I play shooters like warzone and battlefield 2042, overwatch, rust. But I'm content with my performance in most games honestly, I picked the rx6600 for $140 off marketplace
@@Tx_Jay_ if you are playing at 1080p then I would just hold on to the RX 6600 until you have issues. If you did decide to upgrade, I would say go with at least 6700XT or higher. It is a lot faster and has 12GB VRAM that will make it usable longer. Anything less than that isn't worth it in my opinion.
@@craig71686 I play on a Samsung Neo QLED 4k TV, but I usually play at 1440p 120hz and runs really good. But yeah when I do decide to upgrade I think I will go with the 6700xt, as that's the most I'm looking to spend, hopefully price drops within the year?
Amd cards don't use more vram mostly but allocate it if the buffer allows it. But nvidia texture compression can be better 😏 but the sharpness imo is better with amd. My next card is a amd after many geforce's don't stream and raytracing is not my cup of tea...
I happen to have a 2070 and a 6650XT. I do some play testing but I dont make videos, the 6650XT really surprised me ib almost every game test but because of brand recognition a system will sell with a 2070 a lot faster than a system with a 6650XT. Strange
Because the 2070 has DLSS and better raytracing. And overall Nvidia cards are much more reliable. I'm talking about personal experience with both brands.
Maybe some time in the future. Don't think there will be a massive difference though, since even at 1080p both cards are already getting maxed out in majority of titles.
I really appreciate the Ryzen 2700X being used RA! Owner of a GTX 1080 and my friend a year later getting RTX 2070. It seems to me the RTX 2070 has gotten the driver optimizations to pull a 15+ percent lead over my Pascal. (used to be a dead heat) But with their later driver bloat releases comes a heavy RTX tax an pretty substantial driver overhead. With Pascal or AMD, The lesser driver resources used affords older systems a chance to play better. I know the GTX has better rasterization performance when we first benchmark compared, But with these results we are seeing instances where Nvidia wants more and dependent on more of our system to perform well. As nice as the RX 6600 XT is... I would've gone with 6800XT as a minimum upgrade over basically a side upgrade? Thanks RA for the very informative comparison.
Given how the 6600 XT performs compared to the 2070 Super, I'd personally go with the RX 6700, in terms of raw performance it's definitely better in majority of situations, I'd say in some cases even with ray tracing, but streaming wise the 2070 Super is better as far as I'm aware. It doesn't mean that you won't be able to stream using the AMD card though, or that the stream quality is going to be bad with it, the Nvidia card just has an edge quality wise.
It's not since we are mainly GPU bound due to the high graphics presets that we used and I'm assuming the CPU isn't weak enough for the driver overhead to occur. The graphics cards aren't powerful enough either, so I'd guess with a R7 1700 + cards such as RTX 3070 Ti vs RX 6800, the driver overhead would be more apparent.
All I was saying is that you can observe a slightly less CPU utilisation percentage on the NVIDIA side. Shouldn't the overhead be noticeable, be it a few percent the other way?
hm your videos are sus a 6600XT on PCIE 4.0 is faster than a 3060 which is faster than a 2070 Super. you never state your CPU youre bottlenecking the cards and gimping them.
The RTX 3060 8 GB is within a few percent of a regular RTX 2070, the 3060 is a tiny bit ahead but they perform about the same. The RX 6600 XT might perform 3-5% worse with my setup since it's PCI-e 3.0, not 4.0. At 1:39 I mention which CPU I'm using and finally, I also highlight situations where the 2700X is the limiting factor - the Radeon card is bottlenecked in Warzone 2.0 @1080p when driving (@1440p there's no bottleneck) and the 2070 is bottlenecked in Spider Man Remastered @1080p (once again, @1440p the bottleneck is much less significant).
I think if going used it opens up the 5700xt to the conversation as the super budjet buy although would score a little less than the 6600xt in certain areas. I've been playing with my 6600xt and 1070 although the xt is a far superior experience in almost every area I might be wrong but if it went to sleep the 1070 woke up better . Going to save up.for a 7600xt on release to try and get av1 encoding that looks pretty cool IF it has 12gb vram.
Hey, I'm dealing with this same conundrum, I currently have a ROG Strix 1070, pristine and I can play basically whatever I want, but I want to upgrade and keep that 1070 as backup. I've been thinking on going for a 6600XT because of my budget, as I don't want to spend 100 USD more for a 3060 non TI, and my market is fucked up so a 6700XT is too expensive (as are any other cards upwards from that). Would you say it's worth it? I didn't understand the "but if it went to sleep the 1070 woke up better" part of your comment. I'm also using an R5 5600 CPU.
@@Isa12love the 6600xt is about 50% faster . However the 8gb vram might be a limitation in some new titles such as last of us at 1080p ultra . The 7600 would be about 60% faster. Unfortunately the 6700xt is the only decent priced card with 12gb of vram
@@wrusst Thanks a lot. I don't think I'll need the 12GB Vram just yet, so I might go 6600XT and sell both cards at a later date to get something like a 6700XT, or even a 7700XT. I just didn't want to pay 250$ for a sidegrade, and I haven't found comparisons between 1070 and 6600XT other than Tom's Hardware GPU hierarchy, which (while helpful) is a little bit abstract (in the sense that I'm not seeing the performance, I'm just reading stats).
I cannot decide which one I want to buy for render, developing on Unity/UE5 games and other staff. In my country 6600xt and 2070 also at the same price +-210$. Can someone give me an advice or life experience of having AMD/Nvidia cards?
After trying a MSI Mech RX6600 and a Asus Dual RX6600, wich are both shit cards, i tried a XFX6600XT, and this one i finally kept, its perfect, very silent and efficient.
this is where your settings and undervolting come into play.. i have r7-500x cpu i used it with a RTX2060 SUPER OC... my monitor is a 32in. 1440p 165hz.. in RD2 on high i would get between 95-125 depending. i switched to the powercolor red devil RX6600XT OC.. SAM enabled and i got a higher avg of 120-135 fps.. like i said.. optimized settings in both cases for performance and still have a great look to the game.. same with MW2 the rx6600xt was ALOT smooth..clean and higher FPS than the 2060 super oc..now i know this is a 2070.. the 2060 super oc i close enough to a 2070 especially when tweeked to give a good example.. and just a mention i game with someone who uses a 200 super and i stay within 2-6 fps of him.. thats a real world test.. i guarantee the rx6600xt will be a better gaming choice than the 2070 all day long...unless your strictly a solo player and play story line games and want all the ray tracing that just gets in the way of most games in my opinion.. gpu for thought....
Not a fair comparison. RTX2070 have DLSS, 6600XT doesnt have it. So it's much slower. FSR both have and FSR is about reduce quality loss, not improve quality like DLSS. So it's a completely different talk. So RTX2070 is MUCH faster, something close to 50% faster in at least 40 modern games, including most of the game tested.
@RA Tech you SHOULDN'T use msi afterburner with amd gpu ... it can conflict with adrenaline drivers and it's just not needed as you have most of it's functions in adrenaline drivers build in - fan speed , undervolting , power limits etc ARE there , cpu/gpu temps / clocks and usage [ OSD ] also can be displayed just by the driver :D
I've been using MSI Afterburner for a long time and I really like its OSD. Such issues simply need to be addressed and fixed, as a customer I shouldn't be required to stop doing something in particular or forget about using a certain software in a situation like that.
@@RATechYT I agree , but if it didn't fixed it for 3 years I had been using my rx470 I don't think they will ... And for me it's fine , I prefer native solutions and not installing additional programs which on Nvidia i had too ...
Any info on experience in video editing and maybe some other productivity work? I mostly do FPS and Racing gaming these days, so something like 6700XT might be better than a 3060/3060Ti, but have you run into any issues where your Nvidia GPU worked, but AMD doesn't? I want to go nvidia maybe, but that CPU overhead would hit me quite hard on a 1600X, even at 1440p. Only thing stopping me to go straight to AMD, is that it doesnt have CUDA, although I've done all my work on my RX480 without too much trouble.
@@RATechYT Alright thanks for a reply, I will take 6700xt into considiration, just wish they were cheaper in my region. If I find a used 3060 for 250-270 I will go for that.
Radeon just needs to get better at productivity. Have to come up with something like CUDA , so that softwares are developed to make better use of the raw power of radeons
cuda is nothing special. the thing is just jensen lubricated a lot of companies to optimize their code for it. that's all the magic. in reality radeon SPs are much more capable and versatile if you code specifically for them. all these GPU hardware tests you see online are mostly *software* tests. you test how well software is optimized for a particular arch. calling it a GPU test is mybe simpler for the consumer but it's not what it is in reality.
Amd needs to get software companies to optimise their software by making it easier for software to be optimised. I believe CUDA is able to do that hence so much better at productivity as compared to Radeon which just is still using dated opengl
Both cards are maxing out at 1080p and especially at 1440p. Warzone @1080p is the only title where the 6600 XT could perform about 10-15% better, since the GPU isn't maxing out while driving. In other cases though the difference would mostly be negligible, even with a faster CPU.
@@RATechYT no mate, i have the rx6600xt and a r5 5600 and I can guarantee you're wrong. I used to have a r5 2600 and after the upgrade i gained a lot of gpu performance.
@@GiantsGraveGaming I'm not arguing about that, of course a Ryzen 5 5600 is a better CPU than both R5 2600 and R7 2700X. What I'm saying is the GPUs in these tests are *clearly getting fully maxed out* in nearly every single title, there's just no way for them to go much further than that.
Well then how comes i had a double digit uplift in FPS? Also, my gpu is not maxed out in most games at 1080p, and, despite it needs working more, in 1440p i get 100% utilization spikes, but the average is around 90-95%. I doubt that having a Gigabyte card matter much, so I think the difference is the CPU. I know money don't grow on trees, but if I were in you, I would at least give it a try...
@@GiantsGraveGaming It depends on the game, the area you test and the settings you use. I will eventually upgrade to a better CPU, but once again, the graphics cards are the limiting factor *in these particular tests,* so *in these particular situations and titles,* other than Warzone 2, double digit gains are unlikely.
Was using an rx 6600 none xt for a bit. Good card but thanks to a buddy who bought a 4090 he sold me his 2080 TI OC card for just the price of shipping which was $52. HUGH upgrade paired with my I5 12400F
It says 1080p on the box. AMD cards are known for performing best at the lower resolutions aswell. On top of that the 3070ti has the same Vram as the 6600 XT so
@@simon6658 the 3060 is also marketed at 1080p y'know. It can do 1440p in plenty of games tho, but low ends are always marketed to 1080p since games have become pretty demanding.
Did I understand he used a 2700x? The best gpu upgrade I did, was upgrading to a ryzen 5700x. My Rtx 2060super went 50% up in frames, not to mention the increased stability in frametimes!!! 2700x is obsolete.
At 1440p we're pretty much fully GPU bound in every title. Using 1080p, the *only* two games where one of these graphics cards wasn't fully utilized are Warzone 2.0 (80-85% usage on RX) and Spider Man Remastered (80-85% usage on RTX). Other than that there is not a single game here where you'll get a 50% uplift with a faster CPU. Perhaps only if we use lowest settings.
@@promalevendetta5397 haha, maybe check hardware unboxed to inform yourself. I just told you what I did. In warzone 1 from 90 -> 150 fps. Battlefield 2042 playable instead of stuttery. (And yes I’m a day one bf player and still play it). If you are in a ryzen 2700x still, good. But I’m happy I sold it.
lol next video will be a comparison of gt 970 vs integrated pentium 4 graphics... Wtf is this content at all? 200$ GPU in your main PC? Are you going to play notepad++ or what?
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Gotta admit, XFX and Sapphires iteration of Radeon 6000 series gpus look mighty gorgeous 😱🤩🥰!
powercolor is great too
@@thegooseman05 depends on luck...there are good one, but you can get a red devil with red coil wine^^
@@Knebebelmeyer I must've been one of the lucky ones, because my 6700XT Red Devil is whisper quiet.
@@ruthlessedgeboy8591 yes indeed you are..
but its not a specific fault on powercolor cards!
my 6700xt has a loud coil wine, but its a MBA one!
my msi 6900xt has no issues!! you can have this problem with every manufactor
@@Knebebelmeyer you can get coil wine from just about any modern gpu...
As a 6600XT owner I can just say that I am absolutely blown away by the performance. When it comes to RT I don't think it makes a lot of sense on GPUs of this class... Sure, there might be console gamers that are perfectly fine playing games at 30fps. But for me, RT is more of a technical curiosity, you can turn it on, check out how it looks, but ultimately I think the majority of people will just enjoy 100+ fps compared to 30-45fps that RT often bring. Another thing that have surprised me with my switch from a GTX1070 to the Radeon 6600XT is that games generally renders smoother, there's less frametime spikes and hitching in them... I think AMDs complete driver overhaul is starting to pay off... It has been troublesome in some generations, but nowadays the cards just perform REALLY well.
As a 2070 owner I completely agree. RT on this series is a joke lol.
Bought it new, and right before the GPU crisis so I cant complain.
@@BlackAxe101 happy to see an nvidia owner saying this. :) there are so many fanboys out there trying to justify RT and their purchases instead of taking a step back and looking at it realistically... I think media outlets like Digital Foundry are to blame as well. They are uncritically singing the nvidia gospel practically acting like an nvidia marketing channel. I wonder how many people they have inspired to buy 2000-series products, or the low-end up to mid-range 3000-series, only for them to be disappointed realizing that they actually can't use the feature although it has been promoted as "the future" and "future proofing". I mean nowadays DF mostly show RT performance with the 4090. Like what happened with old DF? That actually went back and looked adt budget hardware or how cards are holding up these days? It would be fun to see them re-visiting the 2000-series today. And see if their opinions have changed 😅
@@PixelShade Agree. Had some dude barking at me the other day to go watch digital foundry so than I linked him a older video from them that supported my point.
He was trying to claim the PS5 = 2070 pc wise. Only true on games that run REALLY WELL on pc. Look at fallen order on pc compared to PS5, shits running like a 4090.
So my claim of PS5 "has more powerful graphics" may not be entirely true when put into those words in regards to raw hardware.
Although with optimizations always being better on ps5 recently, and games like GOW, and Spiderman ports running much better on ps5 than 2070.
Pretty clear PS5 gives you a better experience on any modern game over a 2070.
After having a 6900xt that refused to stop crashing under heavy load due to software issues I cant praise AMD either lol.
@@BlackAxe101 Isn't it AMD RX 6700 in PS5 or something?
@@RudolfSikorsky Basically yeah. There is some small differences in like the chip design, and the clock speeds, but it has 12gb of VRAM. VERY close to the 6700 on paper.
A tip, you shouldn't use AMD GPUs with MSI afterburner because it can cause several conflict problems with Adrenalin, the ideal is to use More Power Tool together with Adrenalin, so everything works perfectly, in More Power Tool you have total control over the GPU, being able to do undervolting, release power, change the clock limit, modify the fans curve, and then just make the adjustments by adrenalin, I use it like this and I have no problems, it works on the RX 5000 and RX 6000, to do for monitoring I use CapframeX which I think is much better than Afterburner.
Excellent comparison video.
I've been using MSI Afterburner for about ten years, and I love the OSD.
I agree MPT works amazing with my 6900xt
I have used MSI Afterburner with my AMD cards for about 3 years now, there's really little to no issues that i can recall.
@@X_irtz After burner works great too just with more power tool you have more control
@@Kylethejobber AB has everything i want to control - voltage, fan curve, memory & core clocks, power limit. Idk what else is there that i would need tbh. Yes, these option are in Adrenalin control panel, but for some reason they don't work as well, they don't tend to save properly for me, so i just use AB for that.
I just bough an RX 6800 XT. I always had nvidia, 750 ti, 1060 6gb. I think radeon software is so much better than people talking about it. Stable, i had no problem at all. Loving it!
I say the same thing, for my first build I picked up a RX6600, coming from a GTX 979. The AMD software is 100× better than GeForce software, IMO
AMD drivers just keep improving and improving performance, look at older cards still being completely relevant to this day (RX 580 and RX 5700 XT, for example)
Radeon software never stopped forgetting my overclocks
Actually you made a nice comparison on software and driver optimization for both cards - Cyberbug and Arachnid man were always Nvidia sponsored, while AMD aims at esport titles - Warzone and Apex - as their data showed them their GPU users play such games mostly. Also important - Nvidia pushes its customers to buy the newest gen - Turing isn't supported very well now, while RDNA2 will see serious support as it is also in the consoles, steam deck, Ryzen 6000 parts and the iGPU for Ryzen 7000 desktop. DLSS and FSR results aren't tied to versions only, both are image reconstruction algorhytms and the resulting quality also depends on input defects, the algorhytms have differences, strengths and weaknesses plus of course optimization on the title or in the driver. For any sane person FSR wipes the floor with DLSS as its open source and works on cards before RTX from all brands - including intel iGPUs, in fact that's an idea for a video. However the public in the popular hardware channels is made of braindead consumers... Yeah, let them buy more, there's no financial crisis - if they run out of money no more power and no more presence online, would be better afterwards.
Now the topic of buying a GPU is very complicated... It really depends on what they offer near you. You didn't really make a mistake or miss anything important there as differences are huge in each region and no one on the internet knows what's best on every market and base opinion on their own. But Nvidia rarely drop prices - yes they lowered the price of the 3090ti basically to half, they were forced to, but the 3060 didn't move - and it won't soon.
The first 3060 you showed on Amazon was an 8GB model - Nvidia has 4 variants of the desktop 3060 now, 12GB, 8GB - barely better than a 3050, we can't even call it a 3050ti, rather super. There was a GDDR6X model, it was based on a cut down GA104 (3070-class die) if I recall correctly. Anyway customers should read carefully what they're buying. Nvidia also launched a GDDR6X 3060ti, absolute mess as usual. And what's even better - the planned 4060 and 4060ti have a 128bit bus and 8GB VRAM, that's a xx50 die if we compare to the gens prior. That means the 3060 won't drop in price as gen to gen gains will be negligible.
AMD customers can and should choose from 6600 to 6700XT at this price range, really depends on what cards with what prices they offer in the said place. 6600 is usually priced as the 3050, 6600XT is in the range of the 3060 - and yes, one may even find a 6650XT at these prices, and the 6700XT is clearly better - if there's one at good price. I've seen 6700non-XT desktop cards - but are very rare, with 10GB memory and inferior chip bin obviously. While the 5700 and 5700XT are cool cards - they mostly compare to the 6600 and 6600XT respectively - I'd be careful with these as RDNA1 was good for mining Ethereum, so guess what their owners were doing - tripling their investment if they were smart enough to buy them in 2019. And new ones basically don't exist anymore.
if you just want more frames, AMD is a better buy. Nvdia is just ahead of new tech which makes it more appealing to buyers. Got me a 6700xt red devil for $250. Best deal ever.
Yes that is an amazing deal. AMD is best for midrange systems.
I think this a overblown take.
A take that is generally not taken into account is how everything on amd is build on to the driver, but they have worse 3'rd party integration.
Wws that used?
Got a 6750xt for 230 used on market place. Lol
@@promalevendetta5397also for pretty high end
Afterburner is never used for AMD GPUs, Adrenaline just works better than the AB for Radeon
I always used MSI Afterburner for the OSD and other features.
this has to be the best comparison video ever. more youtubers should do this.
AMD is better.
Love AMD for FSR 1 and 2. Thanks for keeping my 2019 £379 5700xt going even longer lol
nVidia driver overhead is always an issue, as frametimes issues and the warzone 2 and apex (CPU limited) results clearly show
the power usage difference from the wall is crazy anyway, shows again that nVidia is using also more CPU power
I'd agree if the GPU usage was low in those two games, but the 2070 is clearly maxed out in both. There's simply no way for the frame rate in Apex for example to jump up even by 10% with a faster CPU.
The XFX and Sapphire 6600XT cards are deff Sleepers, Cards perform way more for there moneys worth.
One thing I noticed with my 6600XT is the higher VRAM usage with SAM turned on. It caused the card to max out the VRAM in some games which caused performance issues like you saw in Forza. I saw the same issue in Control. SAM allowing the CPU to access more RAM at a time is good but that seems to be an issue in some games. I have since upgraded to a 6700XT and haven't experienced the issue with that but it also has 12GB VRAM. Even in games that can max out the VRAM it doesn't seem to have that issue.
With your rx6600xt did you keep it on? I have a rx6600 and I have it enabled, so far I haven't noticed any performance issues
@@Tx_Jay_ I left it on because I had already finished Control but I also only used the card about 3 months before upgrading to a 6700XT because the prices dropped. However, I did some testing the other month with Hogwarts Legacy and it performed better with SAM off. I would recommend doing testing with games that use a lot of VRAM. Seems like more and more are starting to use a lot of VRAM now.
@@craig71686 hmm I see, but ok I'll have to do some testing cause this is my second time hearing this. I just built my first rig with the RX6600, would a upgrade to a 6700 be worth it? I play shooters like warzone and battlefield 2042, overwatch, rust. But I'm content with my performance in most games honestly, I picked the rx6600 for $140 off marketplace
@@Tx_Jay_ if you are playing at 1080p then I would just hold on to the RX 6600 until you have issues. If you did decide to upgrade, I would say go with at least 6700XT or higher. It is a lot faster and has 12GB VRAM that will make it usable longer. Anything less than that isn't worth it in my opinion.
@@craig71686 I play on a Samsung Neo QLED 4k TV, but I usually play at 1440p 120hz and runs really good. But yeah when I do decide to upgrade I think I will go with the 6700xt, as that's the most I'm looking to spend, hopefully price drops within the year?
My xfx 6600xt got 70c max temp and yours is below that? my i know your fan profile?
@@micobarrios1975 I don't own the card anymore but you should be able to achieve similar results. Of course ambient temp also plays a big role.
Amd cards don't use more vram mostly but allocate it if the buffer allows it. But nvidia texture compression can be better 😏 but the sharpness imo is better with amd. My next card is a amd after many geforce's don't stream and raytracing is not my cup of tea...
I happen to have a 2070 and a 6650XT.
I do some play testing but I dont make videos, the 6650XT really surprised me ib almost every game test but because of brand recognition a system will sell with a 2070 a lot faster than a system with a 6650XT. Strange
AMD have bad marketing.
NVIDIA has a huge mind share for two decades...
Because the 2070 has DLSS and better raytracing.
And overall Nvidia cards are much more reliable. I'm talking about personal experience with both brands.
Thank you for the Video😊!
I can now finally decide what to buy and it's the Rx6600xt.
I’m thinking of buying the 7900 xtx over 4080/4070 ti. Amd cards looks promising
only buy nvidia if you go for rtx 4090, the only good card for the price series 4xxx, side amd have better prices
My wife recently upgraded her 3070 to a 7900XTX Nitro, it's a great cart
conclusion: both cards have dogshit drivers
Good video. Maybe soon flip out the 2700x for a 5800x3d? ..And then re-benchmark for a new video?
Maybe some time in the future. Don't think there will be a massive difference though, since even at 1080p both cards are already getting maxed out in majority of titles.
I have an rx 6600xt and an rtx 2070, in the game Spider Man I have 110 fps 1080p on the rx 6600xt, 128 fps 1080p on the rtx 2070.
Which is about right.
Rtx 2070 is bottlenecked by ur r7 2700 but its nvidia driver overhead reason where amd is just better
3:50 - 4:15
My last NVIDIA GPU read a TI4200😅
I just need a card to run unreal tournament
I really appreciate the Ryzen 2700X being used RA! Owner of a GTX 1080 and my friend a year later getting RTX 2070. It seems to me the RTX 2070 has gotten the driver optimizations to pull a 15+ percent lead over my Pascal. (used to be a dead heat) But with their later driver bloat releases comes a heavy RTX tax an pretty substantial driver overhead. With Pascal or AMD, The lesser driver resources used affords older systems a chance to play better. I know the GTX has better rasterization performance when we first benchmark compared, But with these results we are seeing instances where Nvidia wants more and dependent on more of our system to perform well. As nice as the RX 6600 XT is... I would've gone with 6800XT as a minimum upgrade over basically a side upgrade? Thanks RA for the very informative comparison.
You are still rocking FX cpu😂
Would a 2070 super or 6700 be better for streaming and rtx minecraft 20€ diference
Given how the 6600 XT performs compared to the 2070 Super, I'd personally go with the RX 6700, in terms of raw performance it's definitely better in majority of situations, I'd say in some cases even with ray tracing, but streaming wise the 2070 Super is better as far as I'm aware. It doesn't mean that you won't be able to stream using the AMD card though, or that the stream quality is going to be bad with it, the Nvidia card just has an edge quality wise.
I took a rx5700xt over an rtx2070 and you're comparing it to the rx6600xt 🤣
Because they cost the same. Although the 5700 XT is cheaper and is basically the same thing as the 6600 XT, yet it is also older.
How comes that I was literally looking at those two cards, which one to buy. Well, Rx 6600xt it is.
Do you use it for video editing too? Or is it just for a gaming rig?
I use it for editing and occasional gaming. The software that I use are Photoshop, Vegas Pro & DaVinci Resolve.
one can get a 6700XT NEW for under 300 right now, I'd skip on a used 6600XT right now.
The 2070 is fucking trash these days.
Hmmmm.... CPU on the NVIDIA side seemed to be a few% less utilisation compared to the AMD system. I'm not sure the NVIDIA overhead is a thing here.
It's not since we are mainly GPU bound due to the high graphics presets that we used and I'm assuming the CPU isn't weak enough for the driver overhead to occur. The graphics cards aren't powerful enough either, so I'd guess with a R7 1700 + cards such as RTX 3070 Ti vs RX 6800, the driver overhead would be more apparent.
All I was saying is that you can observe a slightly less CPU utilisation percentage on the NVIDIA side. Shouldn't the overhead be noticeable, be it a few percent the other way?
Or does it only happen at very high CPU utilisation?
Which company gives you better value? Keep the card from that company.....
What about reBar? Was it enabled?
Resizable Bar is available on 30 series cards and above.
I have a 6600XT Hell Hound. Couldn't be happier. Also have a 5700XT
hm your videos are sus a 6600XT on PCIE 4.0 is faster than a 3060 which is faster than a 2070 Super. you never state your CPU youre bottlenecking the cards and gimping them.
The RTX 3060 8 GB is within a few percent of a regular RTX 2070, the 3060 is a tiny bit ahead but they perform about the same. The RX 6600 XT might perform 3-5% worse with my setup since it's PCI-e 3.0, not 4.0. At 1:39 I mention which CPU I'm using and finally, I also highlight situations where the 2700X is the limiting factor - the Radeon card is bottlenecked in Warzone 2.0 @1080p when driving (@1440p there's no bottleneck) and the 2070 is bottlenecked in Spider Man Remastered @1080p (once again, @1440p the bottleneck is much less significant).
I think if going used it opens up the 5700xt to the conversation as the super budjet buy although would score a little less than the 6600xt in certain areas.
I've been playing with my 6600xt and 1070 although the xt is a far superior experience in almost every area I might be wrong but if it went to sleep the 1070 woke up better .
Going to save up.for a 7600xt on release to try and get av1 encoding that looks pretty cool IF it has 12gb vram.
Hey, I'm dealing with this same conundrum, I currently have a ROG Strix 1070, pristine and I can play basically whatever I want, but I want to upgrade and keep that 1070 as backup. I've been thinking on going for a 6600XT because of my budget, as I don't want to spend 100 USD more for a 3060 non TI, and my market is fucked up so a 6700XT is too expensive (as are any other cards upwards from that).
Would you say it's worth it? I didn't understand the "but if it went to sleep the 1070 woke up better" part of your comment. I'm also using an R5 5600 CPU.
@@Isa12love the 6600xt is about 50% faster . However the 8gb vram might be a limitation in some new titles such as last of us at 1080p ultra . The 7600 would be about 60% faster. Unfortunately the 6700xt is the only decent priced card with 12gb of vram
@@wrusst Thanks a lot. I don't think I'll need the 12GB Vram just yet, so I might go 6600XT and sell both cards at a later date to get something like a 6700XT, or even a 7700XT. I just didn't want to pay 250$ for a sidegrade, and I haven't found comparisons between 1070 and 6600XT other than Tom's Hardware GPU hierarchy, which (while helpful) is a little bit abstract (in the sense that I'm not seeing the performance, I'm just reading stats).
@@Isa12love tech power up has a comparison although under sells amd a little maybe it has RT titles in there
I cannot decide which one I want to buy for render, developing on Unity/UE5 games and other staff. In my country 6600xt and 2070 also at the same price +-210$. Can someone give me an advice or life experience of having AMD/Nvidia cards?
Probably Ill switch on ultra-wide screen in 1-2months
Ok, now lets test driver cpu overhead with both cards on an AMD FX CPU ;)
Since 6600xt has 8 lanes so at 1440p need more bandwidth and vram data transfer
After trying a MSI Mech RX6600 and a Asus Dual RX6600, wich are both shit cards, i tried a XFX6600XT, and this one i finally kept, its perfect, very silent and efficient.
Interesting. My Merc 308 has coil whine, though the fans are pretty silent for the most part.
Great video man!! 😁😁
Thanks!
this is where your settings and undervolting come into play.. i have r7-500x cpu i used it with a RTX2060 SUPER OC... my monitor is a 32in. 1440p 165hz.. in RD2 on high i would get between 95-125 depending. i switched to the powercolor red devil RX6600XT OC.. SAM enabled and i got a higher avg of 120-135 fps.. like i said.. optimized settings in both cases for performance and still have a great look to the game.. same with MW2 the rx6600xt was ALOT smooth..clean and higher FPS than the 2060 super oc..now i know this is a 2070.. the 2060 super oc i close enough to a 2070 especially when tweeked to give a good example.. and just a mention i game with someone who uses a 200 super and i stay within 2-6 fps of him.. thats a real world test.. i guarantee the rx6600xt will be a better gaming choice than the 2070 all day long...unless your strictly a solo player and play story line games and want all the ray tracing that just gets in the way of most games in my opinion.. gpu for thought....
r7-5800x
bUT wHaT aBOut dRiveRS?????
I had to wait 6 months now to buy again!
im not sure if comparing temperatures 3x fan GPU and 2x fan GPU is good idea
Have you reviewed a R7 3800X, or the 12gb RX 6700 XT? If so, I would love to see what you have to say about them.
Haven't, but would love to.
how about the non XT 6600?
i need to buy those old cards from you
Sold them a loong time ago
@@RATechYT why do I feel u hiding some in your locker 🛅
@@lordkaflam2101 I swear I'm not!!
200$ used? Where? Lalaland?
Prices changed.
Not a fair comparison. RTX2070 have DLSS, 6600XT doesnt have it. So it's much slower. FSR both have and FSR is about reduce quality loss, not improve quality like DLSS. So it's a completely different talk. So RTX2070 is MUCH faster, something close to 50% faster in at least 40 modern games, including most of the game tested.
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@RA Tech you SHOULDN'T use msi afterburner with amd gpu ... it can conflict with adrenaline drivers and it's just not needed as you have most of it's functions in adrenaline drivers build in - fan speed , undervolting , power limits etc ARE there , cpu/gpu temps / clocks and usage [ OSD ] also can be displayed just by the driver :D
I've been using MSI Afterburner for a long time and I really like its OSD. Such issues simply need to be addressed and fixed, as a customer I shouldn't be required to stop doing something in particular or forget about using a certain software in a situation like that.
@@RATechYT I agree , but if it didn't fixed it for 3 years I had been using my rx470 I don't think they will ... And for me it's fine , I prefer native solutions and not installing additional programs which on Nvidia i had too ...
nice video, amazing shirt too.
Thank you!
Any info on experience in video editing and maybe some other productivity work?
I mostly do FPS and Racing gaming these days, so something like 6700XT might be better than a 3060/3060Ti, but have you run into any issues where your Nvidia GPU worked, but AMD doesn't?
I want to go nvidia maybe, but that CPU overhead would hit me quite hard on a 1600X, even at 1440p.
Only thing stopping me to go straight to AMD, is that it doesnt have CUDA, although I've done all my work on my RX480 without too much trouble.
Didn't have any issues so far with the 6600 XT.
Yup, the 6700 XT is definitely going to be a better choice with your CPU.
@@RATechYT Alright thanks for a reply, I will take 6700xt into considiration, just wish they were cheaper in my region.
If I find a used 3060 for 250-270 I will go for that.
maybe dumb but did you enable SAM at all or could you
Don't have that feature unfortunately.
Radeon just needs to get better at productivity. Have to come up with something like CUDA , so that softwares are developed to make better use of the raw power of radeons
cuda is nothing special. the thing is just jensen lubricated a lot of companies to optimize their code for it. that's all the magic. in reality radeon SPs are much more capable and versatile if you code specifically for them.
all these GPU hardware tests you see online are mostly *software* tests. you test how well software is optimized for a particular arch. calling it a GPU test is mybe simpler for the consumer but it's not what it is in reality.
Amd needs to get software companies to optimise their software by making it easier for software to be optimised. I believe CUDA is able to do that hence so much better at productivity as compared to Radeon which just is still using dated opengl
Why disable Windows game mode?
Just in case it could cause performance issues. There's no difference between it being on and off anyways.
And you're not even using a better CPU... If you pair that RX6600xt with a R5 5600 or higher you can get some extra 10% performace.
Both cards are maxing out at 1080p and especially at 1440p. Warzone @1080p is the only title where the 6600 XT could perform about 10-15% better, since the GPU isn't maxing out while driving. In other cases though the difference would mostly be negligible, even with a faster CPU.
@@RATechYT no mate, i have the rx6600xt and a r5 5600 and I can guarantee you're wrong. I used to have a r5 2600 and after the upgrade i gained a lot of gpu performance.
@@GiantsGraveGaming I'm not arguing about that, of course a Ryzen 5 5600 is a better CPU than both R5 2600 and R7 2700X. What I'm saying is the GPUs in these tests are *clearly getting fully maxed out* in nearly every single title, there's just no way for them to go much further than that.
Well then how comes i had a double digit uplift in FPS? Also, my gpu is not maxed out in most games at 1080p, and, despite it needs working more, in 1440p i get 100% utilization spikes, but the average is around 90-95%. I doubt that having a Gigabyte card matter much, so I think the difference is the CPU. I know money don't grow on trees, but if I were in you, I would at least give it a try...
@@GiantsGraveGaming It depends on the game, the area you test and the settings you use.
I will eventually upgrade to a better CPU, but once again, the graphics cards are the limiting factor *in these particular tests,* so *in these particular situations and titles,* other than Warzone 2, double digit gains are unlikely.
8gb vram is standard now, especially in 2023
It shouldn't be standard anymore even for low end
12gb should be standard. With higher end having 20gb.
Was using an rx 6600 none xt for a bit. Good card but thanks to a buddy who bought a 4090 he sold me his 2080 TI OC card for just the price of shipping which was $52. HUGH upgrade paired with my I5 12400F
8GB and 128bit memory are not good for high resolution. AMD deliberately made 6600 XT not good in handling 1440p games.
It says 1080p on the box. AMD cards are known for performing best at the lower resolutions aswell. On top of that the 3070ti has the same Vram as the 6600 XT so
@@Dragonlord826$379 MSRP 1080p GPU...
@@simon6658 the 3060 is also marketed at 1080p y'know. It can do 1440p in plenty of games tho, but low ends are always marketed to 1080p since games have become pretty demanding.
@@simon6658 clown.
AMD should bring food on table AI Suck s
Did I understand he used a 2700x? The best gpu upgrade I did, was upgrading to a ryzen 5700x. My Rtx 2060super went 50% up in frames, not to mention the increased stability in frametimes!!! 2700x is obsolete.
yes, if you have nVidia GPUs you also need much better CPU to help it, they can't do shit otherwise
2700x is obsolete? lolol so out of touch.
At 1440p we're pretty much fully GPU bound in every title. Using 1080p, the *only* two games where one of these graphics cards wasn't fully utilized are Warzone 2.0 (80-85% usage on RX) and Spider Man Remastered (80-85% usage on RTX). Other than that there is not a single game here where you'll get a 50% uplift with a faster CPU. Perhaps only if we use lowest settings.
@@promalevendetta5397 haha, maybe check hardware unboxed to inform yourself. I just told you what I did. In warzone 1 from 90 -> 150 fps. Battlefield 2042 playable instead of stuttery. (And yes I’m a day one bf player and still play it). If you are in a ryzen 2700x still, good. But I’m happy I sold it.
@@jandevocht I don't think you know what the term obsolete means. Many PC users are spoiled and out of touch with reality.
lol next video will be a comparison of gt 970 vs integrated pentium 4 graphics...
Wtf is this content at all? 200$ GPU in your main PC?
Are you going to play notepad++ or what?
You're not forced to watch the video.
It's almost like people buy reasonable priced gpus more then the flagships......