Best Online BROKERS in Germany [How to INVEST in Germany] 📈🇩🇪

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  • @greyingshepherd
    @greyingshepherd 2 роки тому +37

    Criminally underrated. A job superbly done by explaining things in a simple manner. Keep up the good work!!!

  • @suzannes5888
    @suzannes5888 3 роки тому +92

    I was surprised, but pleased, to see you two venture into this area - you did a great job researching and providing relevant facts (and not overly prescriptive personal financial advice).
    I work for the US government in the federal financial regulatory sector, in the agency that oversees and/or monitors the market sectors you covered in this video. It's great for people to become as educated as possible on this topic, and also to be sure to verify that the business one has their money housed and being managed at, is under proper governance and monitoring by entities such as the ECB, BaFin, etc. - in order to ensure the long-term safety and soundness of your savings.
    I'm sure many expats will appreciate your diligence in researching and recapping your findings.

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +2

      Wow Suzanne, thanks so much for your very thoughtful professional feedback! 🤗

  • @samakinta2601
    @samakinta2601 Рік тому +2

    I just came to Germany for 1 month. Your videos are so informative and helpful. Thanks a lot, Jen and Yvonne

  • @venzful
    @venzful 4 місяці тому +1

    You guys are truly amazing! Thank you so much for making videos we truly need.

  • @Carla369
    @Carla369 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Girls,, and also for the added jokes, good luck everyone!

  • @lilg2300
    @lilg2300 Рік тому +1

    i'm german and i really like your channel!

  • @batmanbtch958
    @batmanbtch958 Рік тому +1

    thank you for this valuable precisable informations . i was lost till i found ur videos

  • @arjunsarkar9678
    @arjunsarkar9678 7 місяців тому +1

    Amazing and detailed. Thanks a lot

  • @ahsanfinance
    @ahsanfinance 3 роки тому +11

    Amazing video! Just wanted to add a few things for your viewers.
    1. Scalable capital and Trade Republic handle crypto different than regular crypto exchanges i.e. you cannot move your crypto out of these platforms into a cold storage.
    2. The Freistellungsauftrag (801€ tax free/ person) includes savings accounts profits and other financial investments in addition to profits from Stocks and ETFs.
    3. Crypto is taxed differently in Germany

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +2

      Hey Ahsan, thanks a lot for your additional insights 😊

    • @ahsanfinance
      @ahsanfinance 3 роки тому

      @@simplegermany 🙏

    • @ahsanfinance
      @ahsanfinance 3 роки тому

      @@m.farhana.rahman3372 yup, they are pretty similar

  • @kathrinherbst5815
    @kathrinherbst5815 3 роки тому +3

    Ihr erhellt immer meinen Montag, danke Euch 🤗

  • @adallisantosh
    @adallisantosh 7 місяців тому

    You guys are amazing! The best information provided

  • @G.Rengarajan
    @G.Rengarajan Місяць тому +1

    Great job. Thanks

  • @Nanmoonlight
    @Nanmoonlight 3 роки тому +1

    That was very helpful thank u!!

  • @Felipe-k6l
    @Felipe-k6l 11 днів тому

    Hey! great job, thanks for sharing. I was wondering what about Interactive Brokers?

  • @thoughthub8900
    @thoughthub8900 2 роки тому +1

    im moving to frankfurt in a month and your videos have been helpful and fun :) thank you friends

  • @mariaisabel6068
    @mariaisabel6068 Рік тому +3

    Very helpful! Thank you! ❤

  • @artofcooking4307
    @artofcooking4307 Рік тому +1

    You are doing great job guys! This incredibly helpful. Your way of presenting the information the smooth flow of information between you is great 👍 I will keep following you .. der Hammer 😁💕

  • @uthakgaming8960
    @uthakgaming8960 День тому

    Hey, this video is excellent - short and to the point - big fan! I am a US expat living in Germany and have found it impossible to get a straight answer on how or where I can invest money! After I saw your video I checked up on Trade Republic and Scalable Capital, only to find out that, while awesome and whatnot - I as a US expat may not use them. Can you point me in the direction of a service, where I, without needing a lawyer or costly consultant, can invest my money? Im not much looking to daytrade, but rather get into a set of ETF trading US market items. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

  • @katesenn3258
    @katesenn3258 День тому

    Dear Jen and Yvonne,
    I hope you will notice this comment 🙏🏻
    It will be really very helpful if you make a video about kinder sparplan. I heard about it from parents in my son’s kindergarten and would like to open one for him. But what if we go back home. Thank you for all of your videos ❤

  • @ymoretto
    @ymoretto 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much for your videos! :)

  • @ayeshaiftikhar338
    @ayeshaiftikhar338 2 роки тому +14

    Hi guys, Im new to your channel THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for making such informative videos for expats. You guys are really making a difference ❤️ 💝 I have one request, im not sure if there is already a video on this topic on the channel. I searched for it but couldn't find it. Could you share information on how to file tax at the end of the year and how does this work?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks so much for your kind words! 😇 We don't have a video on how to file your taxes, but we do have an extensive written guide on our website: www.simplegermany.com/tax-declaration-germany/. Hope it helps! 😊

    • @ayeshaiftikhar338
      @ayeshaiftikhar338 2 роки тому +1

      @@simplegermany Thank you 😊

    • @ayeshaiftikhar338
      @ayeshaiftikhar338 2 роки тому

      @@simplegermany It is just the guide I was looking for ❤️

  • @anchouse94
    @anchouse94 3 роки тому +2

    It keeps happening that I'm beginning to consider doing something and voila - you girls make a video about that 😁 great and super helpful, as usual!♥️ Maybe it was that magical sign from the universe to buckle up and start trading already :)

  • @AAhmed79
    @AAhmed79 2 роки тому +1

    Very good, indeed a very simple and understandable comparison you did,

  • @Anna-Honne
    @Anna-Honne 10 місяців тому +2

    Excellent content, thank you! You mentioned that an individual capital gains of 801,2 eur / year are not taxable. but if you get 802, does that mean you get taxed on the amount higher than 801,2 or on the whole 802 eur? Thank you!

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  10 місяців тому +1

      The threshold is now 1.000 euros a year and you get taxed on any profits higher than that.

  • @shivangisingh7265
    @shivangisingh7265 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this amazing video. I had been looking for something straightforward like this that tells actual apps and methods to start investing here in Germany. As correctly addressed by others, your video is definitely really helpful. Subscribed immediately 👍👍👍

  • @rezar2771
    @rezar2771 3 роки тому

    Great. 👌 I needed exactly this information. Thank you guys 🌷

  • @alexo3975
    @alexo3975 11 місяців тому

    it's very interesting video 👍👍👍

  • @graytoby1
    @graytoby1 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic this is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you

  • @antoniomagliocco4891
    @antoniomagliocco4891 3 роки тому +3

    Really helpful information

  • @stephen9866
    @stephen9866 Рік тому

    Great video! thank you guys :)

  • @tranngochuan9068
    @tranngochuan9068 9 місяців тому +1

    Great. It is very informative video. Thanks for your sharing and effort. I have just sold out my ETF on scable capital. They kept 50 euros. Do I need to declare tax to get my money back.

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  9 місяців тому

      Why don’t you ask Scalable Capital directly 😉

    • @tranngochuan9068
      @tranngochuan9068 9 місяців тому

      @@simplegermany Thank you for your quick response. It is really good advice. I will worth trying. I wish all the best to your channel. German is very throughful and beautiful.

  • @shaktiray9370
    @shaktiray9370 2 роки тому +4

    Hello, is there any way to invest in S&P 500 index from Germany ?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      Yes of course. With any of the brokers it should be possible.

    • @christianamahrez5737
      @christianamahrez5737 2 роки тому

      wow😮i know her and i have also been trading with her, she's such an amazing woman with good skills keeps me happy all week knowing i earn 15thousand extra income trading with her.

  • @marisakthivel4070
    @marisakthivel4070 Рік тому +2

    How Indians buy German stock from India if you know kindly share the information

  • @federicomenjurje
    @federicomenjurje 10 місяців тому +1

    What are the implications if you have an account in one of those and wanna move out of Germany?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  10 місяців тому

      That depends a bit on your nationality and where you are moving.

  • @kabirsharma4820
    @kabirsharma4820 29 днів тому

    Did you try Interactive Brokers in Germany? In terms of loading money, buying shares and withdrawing money, is Interactive brokers costly compared to Scalable Capital?

  • @Munish-b1k
    @Munish-b1k Рік тому +1

    I understand some brokers such as trade republic doesn’t accept application for foreigners with long term visa. Many nationalities are not accepted if you try to put some other citizenship

    • @kobinadayira
      @kobinadayira Рік тому

      yes .. same with me too.. my nationality as a Ghanaian was not accepted for Trade Republic

  • @TheGallanomen
    @TheGallanomen Рік тому +2

    When I’m registered as an atheist cause I am I won’t add that church tax?

  • @saurabhshubham7345
    @saurabhshubham7345 2 роки тому

    Scalable Capital is free if I only to invest in ETFs. Right?

  • @vaklactica
    @vaklactica 2 роки тому +1

    As Peruvian I wanted to sign up for scalable capital unsuccessfully as my documents are not recognized by the post identify app ... For unknown reasons my residence permit is not recognized

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      Oh that’s a bummer, indeed some ID types don’t get recognized by different banking providers. But if one doesn’t accept you that doesn’t mean that all will. Keep trying others if you want.

  • @shafigh6916
    @shafigh6916 9 місяців тому

    what are best non german online brokers ?

  • @pato_bravo
    @pato_bravo Рік тому

    As fellow expats in Düsseldorf, my girlfriend and I are really enjoying your content, thank you! Do you have any opinions, suggestions or comments on Trading 212? Do you know if it is possible to "transfer" ones holdings between brokers? I am definitely intrigued by the DKB option you guys mentioned. thanks again!

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  Рік тому +1

      Happy to hear! 😊 Transfers of depots are possible. Best check with your current brokerage. We never looked into Trading 212.

    • @almadimofte9692
      @almadimofte9692 Рік тому

      Unfortunately you can't transfer from Trading 212.

  • @simodido7041
    @simodido7041 2 роки тому +1

    So you have closed the commerzbank account? And you have just dkb?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      For a deposit yes, but we still have the regular checking account with Commerzbank.

    • @simodido7041
      @simodido7041 2 роки тому

      ​@@simplegermany Okay! I've just moved to Germany and I'm trying to understand which back account should I use. So you use dkb for deposit (emergency funds) and investments, right? Ps: your videos are too good!

  • @oliverhuhn9889
    @oliverhuhn9889 3 роки тому +3

    I like it that you bring up this topic. I also prefer to invest my money myself rather than give it to companies and hope they can do better. They can't and it's expensive too.

  • @GoliTech
    @GoliTech 11 місяців тому

    thanks for the great info, will yopu create a new version of this video?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  11 місяців тому

      You can find all updates on this topic in our guide: www.simplegermany.com/best-online-broker-germany/

    • @GoliTech
      @GoliTech 11 місяців тому

      thanks a lot@@simplegermany

    • @GoliTech
      @GoliTech 11 місяців тому

      I think it will be amazing if you also create more videos about tax, I know its a bit hard but it is just a suggestion

  • @aishaahmad5474
    @aishaahmad5474 3 місяці тому +1

    As a student is it possible to invest?

  • @ClemmonsX
    @ClemmonsX 8 місяців тому

    why don't you change the video title to (promoting the brokers)

  • @colinmackenzie4363
    @colinmackenzie4363 Рік тому

    If you make a nice profit from investing, you'll pay the 26.4% tax automatically through the broker, but if you have a low income where you pay less than this tax rate, you'll probably get a refund of some tax, if make a income tax declaration.

  • @signorjay
    @signorjay 2 роки тому +1

    Wish I discovered you guys when I first arrived

  • @Learniverse683
    @Learniverse683 Рік тому

    Amazing, I like it Thanks a lot 🙂

  • @SAM-t5s
    @SAM-t5s 2 роки тому

    What are the transaction fees when I buy a stock? If a buy a stock from Trade republic what all charges/taxes/fees I need to pay apart from what Trade republic charges?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      We Outline the general charges in the video. Specific charges depend on what stock you want to buy and you can check the detailed fees of the broker.

  • @tuandaitran1991
    @tuandaitran1991 2 роки тому

    How about BF? I mean the app of Börse Frankfurt.

  • @beinghuman5092
    @beinghuman5092 2 роки тому

    Indian, blue card holder - couldn’t signup for trade republic and scalable capital! Any suggestions?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      They have their own algorithm to accept or reject applications. So unfortunately, we don't know. These are the requirements listed in their FAQ:
      What are the requirements to sign up for the Scalable Broker?
      Our service is aimed at persons resident in Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain and metropolitan France. In addition, the following requirements must be met:
      You are over 18 years of age.
      You are not subject to US taxation (not a “US person” under US tax law).
      You have a current account that is kept at a credit institution based in the SEPA area.
      You use our service as an offer from a foreign provider.

  • @AAhmed79
    @AAhmed79 2 роки тому

    One question, what if we use global platform like eToro, Plus 500, Peperstone etc, will this trigger tax issues in germany?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      Your residence status and tax liability defines where you have to pay taxes, not what platform you use.

  • @dodosan7262
    @dodosan7262 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the video. Please make an annual review video like this one. Another question please: are dividends taxable? Would I get my dividends on local exchanges

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому +2

      As we point out at the end of the video. Dividends are free of tax up to 801 euros per year per person. After that they get taxed with around 25%. They usually get paid to your bank account that is connected with the broker.

    • @dodosan7262
      @dodosan7262 2 роки тому +1

      @@simplegermany thanks for clearing this up. I thought they were taxable on transfer and not as part of the net profit. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @aminegergis7791
    @aminegergis7791 7 місяців тому

    What about Etoro

  • @GodsNewLaw
    @GodsNewLaw 2 роки тому +1

    So much tax!!! what about if you loose your money?? does the government compensate then??????

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      Of course not. Any investment is at your own risk.

    • @colinmackenzie4363
      @colinmackenzie4363 Рік тому

      If you lose money on stocks one year, the loss is noted in the brokerage account, and set against profit you make in the future.

  • @TeDynef
    @TeDynef 3 роки тому

    Scalable Capital is the cheapest not Trade Republik

  • @St_Samuel
    @St_Samuel Рік тому

    Thank you for your great video!
    As you said the tax free limit is 801 Euros, and is this independent? Let say if you are working and have a salary and have a profit from investment, are these considered individually?

  • @sabafj369
    @sabafj369 2 роки тому

    How to communicate with a broker online?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      You can go to their website and click on their 'contact us' link to see what options they provide for you to reach out to them.

    • @sabafj369
      @sabafj369 2 роки тому

      @@simplegermany I was shy 🤭 to replay to you because when I commented I didn't notice that you attached the links of these brokers. Yea, sure will be contacting then to see what options are the best for me. Idk if I can invest even if I'm not registered in Germany. Zehr danke.

  • @nononnomonohjghdgdshrsrhsjgd
    @nononnomonohjghdgdshrsrhsjgd 3 місяці тому

    I could tell, which one is the worst: Trade Republic. Pay attention to your average price each time you buy additional shares. Your average price is miscalculated. Trade Republic steals each time money from your account. Drop by drop.

  • @ornellaputti6691
    @ornellaputti6691 Рік тому +1

    Hi Girls, thank you so much for the clarifications! There is something I haven´t quite understand are the securities accounts: Is it suppose to save the money I would potentially earn? Is it mandatory? Sorry, I have not much clue about finance, thanks and keep the great work! :)

  • @ayeshaiftikhar6123
    @ayeshaiftikhar6123 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the very informative video. Could you also guide us what if someone decides to move to another non european country after 2 years? What will happen to their portfolio? Is it mandatory to stay in germany to keep making the investments?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому +3

      Hey Ayesha, we are not familiar with the procedure in this case. I would suggest to contact the platform you have your portfolio in and ask them about this. An alternative is to look into ways to be able to transfer your portfolio to a company that operates in the country you are moving to. If you are planning on leaving Germany, we have a detailed guide on other aspects you might need to consider before your move: www.simplegermany.com/leaving-germany/

    • @ayeshaiftikhar6123
      @ayeshaiftikhar6123 2 роки тому +1

      @@simplegermany thank you.. you guys are the best ❤️ keep up the good work 😊

  • @deepakpatel7885
    @deepakpatel7885 2 роки тому

    Thankyou for quick summary on online trading. I have just one question, What will happen in case the online broker company goes bankrupt? For example I start trading with Scalable Capital and after some time the company goes bankrupt or goes under, what will happen to my investments? Scalable Capital opens an account in Baaderbank, so the same question what happens if the bank goes under?

  • @SkiNett
    @SkiNett 3 роки тому +1

    i was thinking that You are either with Commerzbank or with one of the online banks You have compared in your earlier videos but now You say You are with DKB bank. So it would be helpful if You also add the pros and cons of DKB bank to the German Bank comparison video or make a Video on DKB bank separately, Thanks !

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +1

      We use several bank accounts. Yvonne has Commerzbank, Jen has N26 and together we have DKB. We talk about DKB also in this video: ua-cam.com/video/pTQjNjUPj1U/v-deo.html. Hope this helps 😊

  • @avimehenwal
    @avimehenwal 2 роки тому +1

    Hello, this is a great video :D I love your content Jen & Yvonne, great work , keep it up (Y)
    I have a small questions though, is it possible to invest-in and invest in government bonds from Scalable Capital depot account ?
    thankyou so much in advance and have an awesome day

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! 😊 I’m not a 100% sure but I don’t think so.

    • @avimehenwal
      @avimehenwal 2 роки тому +1

      @@simplegermany No worries, still thankyou so much for replying. Have a lovely day

  • @rezaaria524
    @rezaaria524 2 роки тому

    ForTrade republic you have to have permanent resident in Germany. !!!

  • @nunoelias2374
    @nunoelias2374 Рік тому

    Hey! Great content!
    I was about to ask you (if that is ok), would you also recommend Commerzbank in this list?
    I am asking because I moved to Germany only 2 months ago, my German language skills are still quite low, therefore I would rather stick to an English speaking banking service.
    My current bank is Deutsche Bank, but I am afraid the fees they charge are just monstruous... nevertheless I would prefer an All-in-One bank (deposit account+investment options+credit/debit card)...
    Thank you 🙏and have a great weekend!

  • @Ringelsocke.
    @Ringelsocke. 3 роки тому +5

    I don't need this investor stuff, but I watch your video anyways, bc you two are in it! 😊👋🏻

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +2

      Of course not every topic is for everyone. Thanks so much for supporting us all the way 😊

  • @jonasturmburger9156
    @jonasturmburger9156 2 роки тому +2

    Go for Trade Republic! Scalable has extremely poor customer service and is very slow with transactions.

  • @SchwarzeKatter
    @SchwarzeKatter Рік тому

    That freaking capital gain tax…definitely Germany is no the place if you want to get rich

  • @SAM-t5s
    @SAM-t5s 2 роки тому +1

    Trade republic DOES NOT allow opening account for citizens of all countries even if they have work permit!

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  2 роки тому

      That is correct. All financial service providers unfortunately have restrictions for some nationalities :/

  • @marcossanchez7434
    @marcossanchez7434 3 роки тому

    Can you please talk about Hartz 4?

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому

      Hey Marcos, is there any specific question you have regarding that topic?

    • @marcossanchez7434
      @marcossanchez7434 3 роки тому

      Process conditions to apply or qualify chow does it work? what are the amounts to qualify or to be disqualified? What happens if I get a job but the payment is under the limits or it's a one time thing? Etc

    • @marcossanchez7434
      @marcossanchez7434 3 роки тому +1

      Basically one of those very good detailed explanation videos that are so helpful, I can't even start thanking you for the one about renting in Germany

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому

      We will mark that one down, although the requirements and numbers are very individual. We have a guide on unemployment benefits, maybe that is helpful already :) www.simplegermany.com/unemployment-benefits-germany/

    • @marcossanchez7434
      @marcossanchez7434 3 роки тому

      I will take a look at it right away

  • @safi161
    @safi161 3 роки тому +2

    Ppl who are not residing in Germany can able participate in stock trading in Germany. Super usefull vlog and you gave everything that one need to open a trading account in Germany. Good luck.

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much 🙂

    • @safi161
      @safi161 3 роки тому

      @@simplegermany but you did not answer my question

    • @SkiNett
      @SkiNett 3 роки тому +1

      @@safi161 No, u need a german address to open a brokerage account in Germany !

    • @safi161
      @safi161 3 роки тому

      @@SkiNett thanks lot for the information

  • @bettybeatrice6046
    @bettybeatrice6046 3 роки тому +1

    What are the requirements for beginners? How does one go about being a partakers? Who are eligible? Your response on each questions will be highly appreciated... Great content again👍

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому

      Hey Betty, there are no real requirements other than having a German bank account and being above 18 years old. You can start by opening a a free securities account with one of the online brokers. Of course you should do some independent research on what you want to invest in. Hope that helps 😊

  • @nomirrors3552
    @nomirrors3552 3 роки тому

    I am very strongly anti-cryptocurrency. You don't hear knowledgable people saying that very often. If you want to know why, I'm happy to explain (things that most people who are pro-crypto will never tell you.) Cheers!

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому

      We are always interested in other peoples’ opinion 😊

    • @nomirrors3552
      @nomirrors3552 3 роки тому +4

      @@simplegermany I think the first thing to recognize about crypto is that it's a Zero Sum Game. As an investment, you are basically hoping other people mess up in order for you to make a profit. When you make money from crypto, it's required that someone else loses money. There's no value created, like when someone buys a manufactured item, there's only people buying and selling. The only money that can some out of a cryptocurrency is the money that went in.
      When you invest in crypto as an investment, you are hoping someone else invests more and that's your profit.
      (There are more issues, but let's start here.)

    • @korootz
      @korootz 2 роки тому +1

      @@nomirrors3552 Wise words from a wise man.

    • @donjohn2239
      @donjohn2239 Рік тому

      @@nomirrors3552 what would you suggest for person with disposable income to invest in then?

    • @nomirrors3552
      @nomirrors3552 Рік тому

      @@donjohn2239 Start your own company.

  • @martinpaul3383
    @martinpaul3383 3 роки тому +2

    The word "smoothy" sounded right this time ;)

  • @alokuttamshukla
    @alokuttamshukla 3 роки тому +5

    Wait!!! So you are telling me that there will money left after taxes? :D

  • @MultiRohit23
    @MultiRohit23 3 роки тому +1

    Hey do you know any german forex broker? I searched online but was not able to find which deduct the taxes on the spot

    • @simplegermany
      @simplegermany  3 роки тому +1

      I am not an expert in ForEx to be honest. Have yo had a look at etoro: www.simplegermany.com/etoro/? They may offer it. -Y

    • @MultiRohit23
      @MultiRohit23 3 роки тому +2

      @@simplegermany oh okay thanks for the suggestion. By the way love your videos, they are super helpful 😊

  • @mdnazmulhossain7267
    @mdnazmulhossain7267 5 місяців тому

    Good Morning both of you.I am an international student in Germany. Can I invest in ETF in Germany? Please clarify this matter❤❤