You play Arma for the rigorous realism, i play Arma to link the physics of a Helicopter to a Bus so i can finally find out if the 101st would survive Fortnite.
I remember OG America's Army, going through all the training modules to get all the ribbons, that was the coolest bit of propaganda I've ever been exposed to lol
I can about 80% attribute my enlistment to OG America's Army. I was so excited to get to use a real SAW because I shredded with that thing in competitive matches. Then I decided that one term was enough for me when the SAW I got my hands on was a POS built before I was born that kept breaking the belt links and dropping the belt box. Could I sue for false advertising?
TEN O CLOCK ENEMY U-A-Z ONE HUNDRED TWELVE O CLOCK ENEMY B-M-P ONE HUNDRED TWELVE O CLOCK ENEMY T-80 ONE HUNDRED SIX FALL BACK INTO FORMATION OH NO, SIX IS DOWN 🔊🔊
@@margotpreston I used to argue against it but nah it straight up does. Kids are so dumb and crime and drugs being heavily romanticized these days, they really do treat GTA as a crime trainer/simulator
@@escape692 Flesh Simulator is a UA-camr who makes videos on weird or useful topics. Some of them include John Wayne Gacy being in a group of child killers, what to put in a first aid car kit, Viper the Rapper, and why delaware is not a real state.
Also remember Americas Army very well. I was a 13 year old German kid with no money for games. Those games were pretty fun and you could play with your friends! So thanks USA for free games :D Thankfully, once I turned 18 the mandatory 9 month of military service was abolished and I never had to larp real life military and get my colon fingered. I am all for a well equipped army, but the mandatory service was a joke. 😅
i remember during the PRL era here in Poland (communist satelite for the soviets untill 1989) there was mandatory military service, and troops often were sent out on field excerscises. One time, during such excerscise, some mechanized troops emptied the fuel tanks of a BWP-1, cleaned them, and then proceeded to make booze in it. Probably not very good, but alcohol is alcohol i guess. Nowdays a common joke you see under Polish military vehicle themed videos is "Can you make booze in it though?"
I remember when i went to a military office in Rome to present the document to postpone the service because i was in university, i went to the desk with my documents in hand, and the soldier there simply told me that the service had just been abolished. My father, who served as a mechanic during the service, told ne how boring it was, as there simply there wasn't any work to do in their shop, so one day they decided to restore a banged up american jeep from WW2 that was laying around in the base, they had a lot of fun with that.
One of the best chilled out miltube channel with surprisingly fresh and deep takes. This propaganda aspect of video games violence seems to be really overlooked. I'm a fan of tactical shooters but I can't even count how many vets I've heard talking about how CoD influenced their decision to join military. Also thank you for this content. I can't watch McBeth and others after Gaza anymore. You seem ok.
Is like the list of groups Saw Gerrera lists off in Andor lol. Separatists neo-Republicans. The Ghorman front, The Partisan alliance, Sectorists! Human cultists! Galaxy partitionists! A real who's who of craziness and I love it
FACT: the studio responsible for the FPV drone game is based in russia, and there are numerous reports of the game devs use the money earned to actively aid financially the invasion of ukraine by the russian goverment (Allegedly. Cant provide sources bc ive figured this out some time ago, and i dont have photographic memory.)
I can't take any accusations about Russian devs seriously whatsoever. I haven't seen a single example of a game or product made in Russia that people weren't talking out their ass about claiming all funds were going to the war. No evidence is ever provided and it's just supposed to be taken at face value. They see "Russia" and immediately start hyperventilating.
I wanted to play America's Army so badly... But I had no friends to play with, and I didn't have Xbox Live... I was only 14 in 2001 so I had to wait 4 years to join but I really wanted any exposure to the Army I could get. Anyway I got so frustrated with the game because as soon as I'd start I'd get shot once and be down and bleeding out. Then try to figure out what to do and... Yeah it was just frustrating and unhelpful with telling you what to do. My actual Army Enlistment would be much of the same.
For real. If it’s a post apocalyptic WWIII hellscape out there and no one in the group was military or police, I’m leading the fire team because I played the shit out of full spectrum warrior 😂😂😂
It was in the first draft of the script but I couldn’t tie it in as much. My joke with it was going to be about “not sure if spectrum in the title refers to autism or sexuality but regardless the game was published”
Not sure if true, but there was a big rumor around COVID that the US Army mechanized units were using Warthunder for training. There was a joke "Yeah, they'll learn the value of M18's rushing the A point." I could see that, it's one of the better off the shelf simulators. I'm genuinely surprised there's not USAF pilots playing DCS
There are pilots from multiple branches you play DCS. Some former ans current serving. Some of them are even content creators that makes stuff about DCS.
My friend still has the OG Operation Flashpoint disc. When it came out, he was the only one of my friends with a Pentium 4 PC and so i would come visit to watch him play. The reason the game got burned into my memory was because aside english, it was also available in czech, dubbing too, i was blown away at the time. One thing i remember the most about this game, i begged mom to buy me a mouse with a wheel, because the menus had you select the options with it and as a kid, i didnt know a way around it lmao. Good times.
As a kid on their crappy Emachines pc in 2003. Operation Flashpoint was the best open world game on the market. Played that for many years. Always wanted to see how much better the government training version was. Until in like 2007 the army had a recruitment truck semi with it playing as a sim for people to try. I topped all the challenges and left the recruiters amazed. I said, I've been playing this for years everyday at home. Which made them more amazed.
I’m glad I watch Mikeburnfire and Zach Hazard’s tales of when they were in the military and all the shit others have gone through so I don’t join the army And thankfully I couldn’t even if I wanted to cuz I have autism, ADHD, and Asthma
@@Sundance967 there are jobs where you have a 98% probability to never fire your weapon outside the range but I'm with you there man, I also have way too much going on to be allowed to enlist
I played a lot of military shooters growing up in the 90's and early 00's, watched a lot of miltary shows and movies. Tour of Duty was one of my favourite shows to watch after school back in the day. My Mom even gave me America's Army: Rise of a Soldier for the Xbox on my 18th birthday. Everyone was convinced I'd join the Army after high school. Jokes on them! I joined the Royal Canadian Navy... lol
I remember my father volunteered to be a recruiter and hanging out with him at work was often slow and boring. Poking around the storage room and finding the many copies of America's Army, it was my first introductory to PC FPS games and online gaming right there on the recruiter office PC.
One of my favorite games in high school was Conflict Desert Storm. A little over a year after graduating hs, I deployed to the toilet known as Camp Bucca
Yeah because Japan, South Korea, all of Western Europe and much of Eastern Europe were all ruthlessly exploited and exterminated by the United States 🙄
America's Army was my first online FPS when I was little, and yeah Bridge Crossing was the main map I played. I still remember the combat triage and used it when I came across a bad car crash a few years ago, so (for the first time in many years) way to go big Army. You actually helped someone for a change.
In the tank simulators have some that use an xbox 360 controller along with the manual controls as they found recruits were immediately more effective with a familiar control scheme so they put some in the actual tanks too.
For me, the future generation, got that influence from a game that wasnt even made the government; Squad, those times in Fallujah and Al Basrah were one of the most heart-starting moments in my life.
Dude I remember sitting through Americas Army medic training as a kid and taking it seriously for ten minutes. After that I was like, "what the hell am I doing" and ignored it until the test came up and I failed. I was so mad I had to re-take the 20-minute medic course to pass this goddamn test to play as a medic.
It's interesting and worrying to me how much pop culture, mainly films (ex: "Elite Squad 1 and 2"; "Band of Brothers"; "The Pacific") and videogames ("Call of Duty"; "Arma") can maybe make people think "war" and violence are cool. But how at the same time, me being a big fan of the war genre, i think war is the worst thing there is, and should be avoided at all cost. Maybe it's because i'm also interested in history and i find that there are too many senseless wars, or that one war leads to another, and so on. Or maybe it is because i had the luxury of a great family and a decent education, and i value the little things that i have, or the little things that humanity gain with peace. Maybe it's because i am not a religious guy, nor a fanatic nationalist neither, and i try to always be critical. But anyway, when i watch the "Elite Squad", "Band of Brothers" and "The Pacific", i ultimately see an anti-violence message. And when i play the Arma campaigns, what sticks to me is "war is shit". Even if Arma is all about war, that also includes how horrible it is, and a nostalgia for peace. You can check that with the beggining and ending (epilogue) of the first one (Flashpoint 1 / Arma CWA), or the beggining and ending of the "Resistance" campaign, or even with the epilogue of Arma 3's "The East Wind", or the whole "Remnants of War" campaign. (Yeah, i got nothing to say about "Call of Duty", since it's pure pro-war, and supported by the Armed Forces.)
Imagine if your ass would stumble upon Command and Conquer Generals in 2003. The first mission with USA is invading Baghdad and destroying WMD. Not some tree hugging civ 4 experience. 😎 And lets not forget flash game series "Madness", that game basically breeds school shooters :D
Hey Justin, been watching since you were in Westpoint, I was a senior in highschool at the time. Hows civilian life treating you. I’m on my last year of my enlistment man and I get so anxious seeing what my life would be outside of the organization. Anyways always love your stuff brother.
Playing vbs was the most fun I had as a conscript. Someone high up decided that they didn't like the stamina system so you could sprint around like a cheetah without ever tiring. This led to single troops trying to infiltrate behind enemy lines by simply zigzagging at full sprint and then hiding in a bush. I and another fellow wiped the whole enemy team with this after they had killed 90% of my platoon. The ensign in charge got irritated and accused us of "kys tactics".
For at least 10 years after WW2 British children's comics told stories of the 'good' parts of several actions. There were people around who had done them. A few of them were decent writers and illustrators. All of them had served for a few years and knew how to find others who had been in actions around the world. They didn't dwell on the long times waiting when they had to be prepared for months to redirect a possible enemy advance. That's not exciting and it doesn't sell. Had the UK armed forces not closed down operations and accelerated the closures after Suez there would be queues of youngsters wishing to take the "Queen's Shilling". Now it is a rare opening and the industry has gone as well.
4:40 I still own my unopened copy of America's Army. I'll play me some Call of Duty or even classic Medal of Honor Games, but America's Army was clearly recruitment material that I had 0 interest in.
Dude, I was part of the America's Army generation lmao. I was probably the only female on that entire fucking game. And I met some neat people. And that Special Forces training tutorial that you had to beat in order to join specific mapcycles on servers was hard as fuck. And when I enlisted in the National Guard (later on I'd reclass, go active), one of the first things I did was register my fucking dod email so I could get the cool little star next to my username in-game that was used to represent DoD personnel lmfaooooooooo
Fun fact the prussians had their own version of Tactics in the early 1800s that they used to train officers called Kriegsspiel. The US army took it in the late 1800s and used a modified version called Strategos, that was eventually forgotten about until it was rediscovered in the 1960s. This helped create war games as a genre during that time period, including a medieval-based one called Chainmail, which itself is one of the major influences for Dungeons and Dragons. Long story short, D&D was indirectly created by the US Army, Other fun facts, chess (or its equivalents like shogi) is considered to be the original war game, and Peter Cushing (Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars) was a massive war gaming nerd.
I played the shit out of AA back in the day. I had a shit mouse and had to let someone else use my account to get marksman because my $8 PC Show mouse didn't have the precision. I would play for like 12 hours straight just as basic rifleman and out-snipe snipers with it. Good times, good times.
I wanna play Arma but my Monitor is ass so my computer keeps having soft crashes and my PC tanks through em but the monitor acts like a diabled child with downsyndrome and leprosy.
Not directly, but I'm sure the higher ups monitor the leaderboards and use those to cross reference real world applications and recruitment. It's definitely not 1-to-1 but if you're good at shooter games, chances are you'll be alright in real fights. Players like Shroud
I recently played America's army again and it's still fun. I picked it up in high-school when it was relevant because it was like the only realistic shooter I could run on my PC. Arma was too much.
I cant remember the particulars nor validity, but I was a wee little PFC when armericas army came out and we played it in the barracks and we could see the potential benefits of someone joining after having played it. Even if they were to play it while waiting for their MEPS date.
So I joined in 2015. One day we got to go to a building full of those simulators. We used a version of the VBS where we put on like an early VR setup w/ a weird exoskeleton of sensors and a VR headset mounted on our helmets. We had to move around in the game with controls mounted on the fore grip of the rifle. It was basically ARMA 2, but it was neat/
Wish you had touched up on more modern offerings like Steel Beasts, GHPC and DCS. Then following that line you had things like M1 Tank Platoon 1 and M1 Tank Platoon 2 which came after marine doom or B-17 Flying Fortress which came before marine doom and was simulating WW2 bomber missions.
Damn, operation flashpoint... Where you play it so many times that Fowley is closer to you than your actual friends from grade school... Good fucking times
I remember being handed Guard Force about a year prior to enlisting, around 2005. Fun Fact: Guard Force was actually a "spin-off" from another game that came out several years prior called "Real War". I also played that for a time. Same janky AI, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. R Lee Ermy also did voice-overs in the game. Also, after I enlisted, I remember being given America's Army as part of my fancy new recruit kit.
I think videogames are mediums to information and also lifestyles, so, the US goverment doing hardcore propaganda in gaming isn't far fetched. videogames are cool just like real games when we played in school. So the military is just like, "welp, if adults are already brainwashed by us why not doing the same to their kids :D" lmao. P.D: i don't remember if other countries worldwide are doing the same as the US military, but the military asthethic and giving a premise to young people to "defend" their countries against a "major evil mustache man >;(" works because basic propaganda and feelings. also feelings aro so manipulative because is the opposite to thinking and being rational. it's just that catchphrase from GTA4 "War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other", true to the core. Feelings makes us partisans. also, love your content! and also, for the people watching this, don't fall to propaganda and manipulative tactics to control your life! Love y'all.
america's army was a solid contender for somewhat realistic tactical shooter, down to the grenade spam and learning to pixel aim the 203 into the enemy's spawn.
I remember this issue coming up in the 80s with Battlezone being one bit of evidence. The government has seen the usefulness of video games for over 40 years now. Oh, and tabletop/sand table wargaming has been a thing for much longer. Tactics II was the second (gasp!) version of a game called... TACTICS. The army also had a tabletop mini game called Dunn-Kempf and it was pretty fucking cool. There are a lot of micro armor games that the army used but Dunn-Kempf was made specifically for the army. Military wargaming goes back to the late 1800s with games like Kreigspeil (literally War Game) being used in Prussia. Info on all those games is available online and I suggest you go read about them, they're really fucking cool. Oooh! I keep forgetting stuff. If you want to play a much improved version of Marine Doom, play 'Nam. It's a Build Engine game and it takes place during the Gulf War. Ha ha, no it takes place in 'Nam and it's really funny. I mean sad. I mean it's an OK game and it's better than Marine Doom but only just barely. Take that Mr. Charles!
Okay, ARMA being a military tool released to the civ public, is probably the cleverest bit of recruitment I've seen, tbh. Like, some generic FPS is fun an all, but it's not convincing me of shit. Giving me and my friends resources to plan and wage the most warcrime heavy conflict against each other, I'm all in, we're having like fucking tactical meetings in Discord if we should move resources to one of our offensively named locations, and our verbiage probably sounded more like an adult film than a military meeting, but still. I think the best of these games, never try and force the player to learn. Instead, put them in a challenging level, and force them to learn tactics and think their way through. Using something like CoD, a run-and-gun game, that just sounds like cannon-fodder recruitment.
I played the hell out of Operation Flashpoint dragon rising and red river when I was a kid. COD and BF could never scratch that “realistic” combat experience itch like those games.
there's a funny love/hate relationship I guess. used to watch a lot of starcraft, and the favorite players having to go do their mandatory military service, then come back and play starcraft when they were done. tom clancy (ghost recon?) comes to mind though, for military recruitment, or maybe slant six... SOCOM. Like that always gets me goin. but definitely arma and all the psyops around arma footage, ehehe.
I'm Irish. I played America's Army 2 when I was like, 8. I was doing the medical training when most kids were probably playing Super Mario Sunshine. If nothing else, despite being unable to enlist, I hope you lads got your tax money's worth by having me play OPFOR for you to shoot at.
400 ping on that bridge map trying to snipe was such fun, i managed to do very well in the marksman stuff back when i was a teenie i recall trying to get back into it a few years later and sucking much harder lol Ahh dailup modem from New Zealand gotta aim where peeps gonna be for breakfast rather than at them lol
Awe shit, Jordan Uhl, he's talked a lot about this stuff. OK had to comment. Between that, and references to interpassivity, Beaudrillard, and Zizek, I can say this content was not what I expected when I first clicked on a video. (in a good way)
OK, this is a bit OT but does deal with games but let me place this in the category of being FYI. So it seems that now one can import personalities to non player characters in games. e.g. Goggle AI Agents Can Now Clone ANY Human Personality! (Major Breakthrough) So one could say capture the personalities of say the members of a squad or platoon or maybe even company and then run simulations (i.e. games) that factor in those personalities. So then one might get an optimal mix of personality types and the use that to assign soldiers to branches of the service or even specific units. Given that a potential recruit could take a test and then maybe get an idea of what branch they may be assigned. That might help induce them to sign up... maybe... or maybe just the opposite. But it would be an interesting study... given one had nothing better to study. Also one could then use those human player versions of the games to test out the predictions of the non human player ones as well.
You play Arma for the rigorous realism, i play Arma to link the physics of a Helicopter to a Bus so i can finally find out if the 101st would survive Fortnite.
In case anyone is interested in such shenanigans, i recommend RubixRaptor's Arma videos.
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@@Fjdjfjsz92938 He's objectively great at what he does, if you don't like what he does that's your issue
Don't you guys have like ch47 Huron for that? Literally a flying imboutubus
The glory days when the Army would make decent free videogames instead of e-girl influencers to PSYOP you.
RAAAAH FREE GAMES RAAAAAH
do not tell this dude about AAPG
@@Lakeland_IV American Association of Petroleum Geologists?
@@WHOPPER_JR-sx7ze ya
@Lakeland_IV Loved loved that game and have never wanted to join the military 👍🏽
Wait. The real Psyop was the feds we played with along the way?
We’re all feds?
@@Tony27654Always have been. *points gun*
@@Tony27654😂😂
always has been.
Only let them join if they have 5/1 or over k/d. And make them a general if they have achievements in Hoi4.
As someone who has 1000+ hours on HOI4, I can confirm that all generals should become silent the moment a HOI4 player walks into the room.
@@theholypeanut8193paradox poop game pooop
@@theholypeanut8193 how do you guys play that fucking game I tried it once and got locked in an eternal war with ethiopia during the tutorial
Looking forward to the replacement for Shock and Awe doctrine callec “Just drive to the enemy's capital”.
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I remember OG America's Army, going through all the training modules to get all the ribbons, that was the coolest bit of propaganda I've ever been exposed to lol
10/10 would get brainwashed again
I remember being so bad at it that I only got the easy ones and then died a bunch.
Getting expert in rifle qualification so I could use the sniper role was a major achievement when I was a kid.
The medic course was incredible, death by PowerPoint and a test afterwards with minimum 80% to pass.
Man, I, Russian, born, raised and living in Russia, played it and, if I could, I totally would join to the US Army after playing that 😂
I can about 80% attribute my enlistment to OG America's Army. I was so excited to get to use a real SAW because I shredded with that thing in competitive matches. Then I decided that one term was enough for me when the SAW I got my hands on was a POS built before I was born that kept breaking the belt links and dropping the belt box.
Could I sue for false advertising?
That's sad
Damn.
Talk to your recruiter, obvs.
It was operator error.
He expected to much from his his SAW with insufficient sharpening.
The fact that you used the OG Operation Flashpoint soldier as a thumbnail... made me... very... very proud. So glad its being remembered.
TEN O CLOCK ENEMY U-A-Z ONE HUNDRED
TWELVE O CLOCK ENEMY B-M-P ONE HUNDRED
TWELVE O CLOCK ENEMY T-80 ONE HUNDRED
SIX FALL BACK INTO FORMATION
OH NO, SIX IS DOWN 🔊🔊
I'll recognize that low poly traumatised face everywhere
Maybe GTA is Rockstar’s way of secretly recruiting people into organized crime.
There are kids that growing up playing GTA and then turn into criminals so I don’t doubt it.
GTA is not the cause of kids Turing to crime.
@@Tony27654Righttt
@@margotpreston I used to argue against it but nah it straight up does. Kids are so dumb and crime and drugs being heavily romanticized these days, they really do treat GTA as a crime trainer/simulator
modern videogames are just a cool watered down mkaultra project srly 😂
lag causes violence 😔
“Just like in the simulations”!
Shoutout Flesh Simulator
Where?
@@escape692What?
@@haroldbalzac6336 whom?
@@escape692 Flesh Simulator is a UA-camr who makes videos on weird or useful topics. Some of them include John Wayne Gacy being in a group of child killers, what to put in a first aid car kit, Viper the Rapper, and why delaware is not a real state.
@@haroldbalzac6336 there
Also remember Americas Army very well. I was a 13 year old German kid with no money for games. Those games were pretty fun and you could play with your friends! So thanks USA for free games :D
Thankfully, once I turned 18 the mandatory 9 month of military service was abolished and I never had to larp real life military and get my colon fingered. I am all for a well equipped army, but the mandatory service was a joke. 😅
You need to get a finger in your ass to be in the Bundeswehr?
i remember during the PRL era here in Poland (communist satelite for the soviets untill 1989) there was mandatory military service, and troops often were sent out on field excerscises. One time, during such excerscise, some mechanized troops emptied the fuel tanks of a BWP-1, cleaned them, and then proceeded to make booze in it. Probably not very good, but alcohol is alcohol i guess. Nowdays a common joke you see under Polish military vehicle themed videos is "Can you make booze in it though?"
Also, only 4% of the people who enlisted in 2005 enlisted because of that game. This means that the psyop campaign failed
I remember when i went to a military office in Rome to present the document to postpone the service because i was in university, i went to the desk with my documents in hand, and the soldier there simply told me that the service had just been abolished. My father, who served as a mechanic during the service, told ne how boring it was, as there simply there wasn't any work to do in their shop, so one day they decided to restore a banged up american jeep from WW2 that was laying around in the base, they had a lot of fun with that.
"Shakespeare's alive and he's a goddamn government contractor" dude I'm dying, it goes so ard it blasted half of my skull
No war thunder ad. Missed opportunity
One of the best chilled out miltube channel with surprisingly fresh and deep takes. This propaganda aspect of video games violence seems to be really overlooked. I'm a fan of tactical shooters but I can't even count how many vets I've heard talking about how CoD influenced their decision to join military.
Also thank you for this content.
I can't watch McBeth and others after Gaza anymore. You seem ok.
America's Army was a hell of a game tbh
0:18 So weird when a small eclectic channel that I subbed shouts out another small eclectic channel I subbed. UA-cam algorithm get out of my head!!
The mix of interesting and questionable individuals I’ve met on Arma 2/3 is unrivaled by any other game I’ve put an unhealthy amount of time into.
Is like the list of groups Saw Gerrera lists off in Andor lol. Separatists neo-Republicans. The Ghorman front, The Partisan alliance, Sectorists! Human cultists! Galaxy partitionists! A real who's who of craziness and I love it
0:43 "Son, we're gonna make a *veteran* out of you!"
"No, no, I said _veterinarian! Veterinarian!"_
Look at me i have been both! Turns out that having ptsd and working with angry animals is not good combination😂
FACT: the studio responsible for the FPV drone game is based in russia, and there are numerous reports of the game devs use the money earned to actively aid financially the invasion of ukraine by the russian goverment (Allegedly. Cant provide sources bc ive figured this out some time ago, and i dont have photographic memory.)
It will at least provide training and encouragement to the invaders.
I can't take any accusations about Russian devs seriously whatsoever. I haven't seen a single example of a game or product made in Russia that people weren't talking out their ass about claiming all funds were going to the war. No evidence is ever provided and it's just supposed to be taken at face value. They see "Russia" and immediately start hyperventilating.
CZECHIA MENTIONED WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
OFP:CWC/ArmA:CWA supremacy baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
i think all the strategy games are only there to learn how humans fight.
Yeah makes sense
I wanted to play America's Army so badly... But I had no friends to play with, and I didn't have Xbox Live... I was only 14 in 2001 so I had to wait 4 years to join but I really wanted any exposure to the Army I could get.
Anyway I got so frustrated with the game because as soon as I'd start I'd get shot once and be down and bleeding out. Then try to figure out what to do and... Yeah it was just frustrating and unhelpful with telling you what to do. My actual Army Enlistment would be much of the same.
I thought "Full Spectrum Warrior" for the original xbox would get a mention.
For real. If it’s a post apocalyptic WWIII hellscape out there and no one in the group was military or police, I’m leading the fire team because I played the shit out of full spectrum warrior 😂😂😂
It was in the first draft of the script but I couldn’t tie it in as much. My joke with it was going to be about “not sure if spectrum in the title refers to autism or sexuality but regardless the game was published”
Not sure if true, but there was a big rumor around COVID that the US Army mechanized units were using Warthunder for training. There was a joke "Yeah, they'll learn the value of M18's rushing the A point." I could see that, it's one of the better off the shelf simulators. I'm genuinely surprised there's not USAF pilots playing DCS
Pretty sure there's quite a few USAF pilots, both active and inactive flyers on DCS.
There are pilots from multiple branches you play DCS. Some former ans current serving. Some of them are even content creators that makes stuff about DCS.
This reminds me of the people who shared classified information on the Warthunder forums to complain about realism lmao.
My friend still has the OG Operation Flashpoint disc.
When it came out, he was the only one of my friends with a Pentium 4 PC and so i would come visit to watch him play.
The reason the game got burned into my memory was because aside english, it was also available in czech, dubbing too, i was blown away at the time.
One thing i remember the most about this game, i begged mom to buy me a mouse with a wheel, because the menus had you select the options with it and as a kid, i didnt know a way around it lmao. Good times.
4:35 The Navy did a lot of the work for America's Army and didn't get due credit for it.
As a kid on their crappy Emachines pc in 2003. Operation Flashpoint was the best open world game on the market. Played that for many years. Always wanted to see how much better the government training version was. Until in like 2007 the army had a recruitment truck semi with it playing as a sim for people to try. I topped all the challenges and left the recruiters amazed. I said, I've been playing this for years everyday at home. Which made them more amazed.
Same here with the emachines haha
The Flesh Simulator shoutout in the video was so appropriate. The only thing missing is the brain scorching EDM music in the background
Such an underrated channel
The FPS to DD214 pipeline
Atleast those games were cooler than all of these new AAA cashgrabs and indie horror games.
For real.
I love how well researched this is. You have great examples and transitions. I wish more youtubers had less fluff and detailed content like this
I’m glad I watch Mikeburnfire and Zach Hazard’s tales of when they were in the military and all the shit others have gone through so I don’t join the army
And thankfully I couldn’t even if I wanted to cuz I have autism, ADHD, and Asthma
It's as good an experience as it is hard
@@Justin_Taylor yes but please consider the following: I am not capable of handling the weight of taking a life
@@Sundance967 there are jobs where you have a 98% probability to never fire your weapon outside the range but I'm with you there man, I also have way too much going on to be allowed to enlist
I played a lot of military shooters growing up in the 90's and early 00's, watched a lot of miltary shows and movies. Tour of Duty was one of my favourite shows to watch after school back in the day. My Mom even gave me America's Army: Rise of a Soldier for the Xbox on my 18th birthday. Everyone was convinced I'd join the Army after high school. Jokes on them! I joined the Royal Canadian Navy... lol
I remember my father volunteered to be a recruiter and hanging out with him at work was often slow and boring. Poking around the storage room and finding the many copies of America's Army, it was my first introductory to PC FPS games and online gaming right there on the recruiter office PC.
One of my favorite games in high school was Conflict Desert Storm. A little over a year after graduating hs, I deployed to the toilet known as Camp Bucca
Close Combat: First to fight was an other game turned "how do you do fellow children" recruiting tool.
1:05 honestly no that makes a lot of sense, “explore, expand, exploit exterminate” kinda sums up the U.S as a country
Yeah because Japan, South Korea, all of Western Europe and much of Eastern Europe were all ruthlessly exploited and exterminated by the United States 🙄
America's Army was my first online FPS when I was little, and yeah Bridge Crossing was the main map I played. I still remember the combat triage and used it when I came across a bad car crash a few years ago, so (for the first time in many years) way to go big Army. You actually helped someone for a change.
Americas Army is the one that got me lol..
In the tank simulators have some that use an xbox 360 controller along with the manual controls as they found recruits were immediately more effective with a familiar control scheme so they put some in the actual tanks too.
For me, the future generation, got that influence from a game that wasnt even made the government; Squad, those times in Fallujah and Al Basrah were one of the most heart-starting moments in my life.
Dude I remember sitting through Americas Army medic training as a kid and taking it seriously for ten minutes. After that I was like, "what the hell am I doing" and ignored it until the test came up and I failed. I was so mad I had to re-take the 20-minute medic course to pass this goddamn test to play as a medic.
That description of your experience with civ4 was EXACTLY the same for me but with civ5
It's interesting and worrying to me how much pop culture, mainly films (ex: "Elite Squad 1 and 2"; "Band of Brothers"; "The Pacific") and videogames ("Call of Duty"; "Arma") can maybe make people think "war" and violence are cool. But how at the same time, me being a big fan of the war genre, i think war is the worst thing there is, and should be avoided at all cost. Maybe it's because i'm also interested in history and i find that there are too many senseless wars, or that one war leads to another, and so on. Or maybe it is because i had the luxury of a great family and a decent education, and i value the little things that i have, or the little things that humanity gain with peace. Maybe it's because i am not a religious guy, nor a fanatic nationalist neither, and i try to always be critical.
But anyway, when i watch the "Elite Squad", "Band of Brothers" and "The Pacific", i ultimately see an anti-violence message. And when i play the Arma campaigns, what sticks to me is "war is shit". Even if Arma is all about war, that also includes how horrible it is, and a nostalgia for peace. You can check that with the beggining and ending (epilogue) of the first one (Flashpoint 1 / Arma CWA), or the beggining and ending of the "Resistance" campaign, or even with the epilogue of Arma 3's "The East Wind", or the whole "Remnants of War" campaign.
(Yeah, i got nothing to say about "Call of Duty", since it's pure pro-war, and supported by the Armed Forces.)
Imagine if your ass would stumble upon Command and Conquer Generals in 2003. The first mission with USA is invading Baghdad and destroying WMD. Not some tree hugging civ 4 experience. 😎
And lets not forget flash game series "Madness", that game basically breeds school shooters :D
Hey Justin, been watching since you were in Westpoint, I was a senior in highschool at the time. Hows civilian life treating you. I’m on my last year of my enlistment man and I get so anxious seeing what my life would be outside of the organization. Anyways always love your stuff brother.
Playing vbs was the most fun I had as a conscript. Someone high up decided that they didn't like the stamina system so you could sprint around like a cheetah without ever tiring. This led to single troops trying to infiltrate behind enemy lines by simply zigzagging at full sprint and then hiding in a bush. I and another fellow wiped the whole enemy team with this after they had killed 90% of my platoon. The ensign in charge got irritated and accused us of "kys tactics".
For at least 10 years after WW2 British children's comics told stories of the 'good' parts of several actions.
There were people around who had done them. A few of them were decent writers and illustrators. All of them had served for a few years and knew how to find others who had been in actions around the world.
They didn't dwell on the long times waiting when they had to be prepared for months to redirect a possible enemy advance. That's not exciting and it doesn't sell.
Had the UK armed forces not closed down operations and accelerated the closures after Suez there would be queues of youngsters wishing to take the "Queen's Shilling".
Now it is a rare opening and the industry has gone as well.
Real. Civ 4 was a gateway to enlisting for me also.
4:40 I still own my unopened copy of America's Army. I'll play me some Call of Duty or even classic Medal of Honor Games, but America's Army was clearly recruitment material that I had 0 interest in.
Dude, I was part of the America's Army generation lmao. I was probably the only female on that entire fucking game. And I met some neat people. And that Special Forces training tutorial that you had to beat in order to join specific mapcycles on servers was hard as fuck. And when I enlisted in the National Guard (later on I'd reclass, go active), one of the first things I did was register my fucking dod email so I could get the cool little star next to my username in-game that was used to represent DoD personnel lmfaooooooooo
Fun fact the prussians had their own version of Tactics in the early 1800s that they used to train officers called Kriegsspiel. The US army took it in the late 1800s and used a modified version called Strategos, that was eventually forgotten about until it was rediscovered in the 1960s. This helped create war games as a genre during that time period, including a medieval-based one called Chainmail, which itself is one of the major influences for Dungeons and Dragons. Long story short, D&D was indirectly created by the US Army,
Other fun facts, chess (or its equivalents like shogi) is considered to be the original war game, and Peter Cushing (Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars) was a massive war gaming nerd.
0:06
What is this symbol?
As an ACE3 player, I cannot understand the meaning of such symbolism, what could this icon possibly mean?
I played the shit out of AA back in the day. I had a shit mouse and had to let someone else use my account to get marksman because my $8 PC Show mouse didn't have the precision.
I would play for like 12 hours straight just as basic rifleman and out-snipe snipers with it. Good times, good times.
I wanna play Arma but my Monitor is ass so my computer keeps having soft crashes and my PC tanks through em but the monitor acts like a diabled child with downsyndrome and leprosy.
Just bought a new monitor. Bout to practice eugenics
Not directly, but I'm sure the higher ups monitor the leaderboards and use those to cross reference real world applications and recruitment. It's definitely not 1-to-1 but if you're good at shooter games, chances are you'll be alright in real fights. Players like Shroud
I recently played America's army again and it's still fun.
I picked it up in high-school when it was relevant because it was like the only realistic shooter I could run on my PC. Arma was too much.
I cant remember the particulars nor validity, but I was a wee little PFC when armericas army came out and we played it in the barracks and we could see the potential benefits of someone joining after having played it. Even if they were to play it while waiting for their MEPS date.
So I joined in 2015. One day we got to go to a building full of those simulators. We used a version of the VBS where we put on like an early VR setup w/ a weird exoskeleton of sensors and a VR headset mounted on our helmets. We had to move around in the game with controls mounted on the fore grip of the rifle. It was basically ARMA 2, but it was neat/
Hey now, I have fun when I play Arma! I swear! I really do!
6:23 spoken like a true soldier
Wake up guys!!! Funny, monotone, kinda depressing but not enough to actually suck, moustache man just uploaded
AA was the first game on Unreal 2, US Gov still has its Unreal contract
I don't know the answers to any of the questions you posed, but I am stealing that Shakespeare line.
Your content is funny, informative, and moderately unnerving. Thank you.
Wish you had touched up on more modern offerings like Steel Beasts, GHPC and DCS. Then following that line you had things like M1 Tank Platoon 1 and M1 Tank Platoon 2 which came after marine doom or B-17 Flying Fortress which came before marine doom and was simulating WW2 bomber missions.
Damn, operation flashpoint... Where you play it so many times that Fowley is closer to you than your actual friends from grade school... Good fucking times
"...people that don't like to have fun while playing video games..." for describing ARMA Players is devious work 🤣
Its funny because its true.
Pre-programming on a new way of combat, for real.
2:53 like I said 😂
I played the original America's Army when I was a teen. Jokes on those guys, there was no way in hell I was joining.
You missed the Harpoon series which was based on Navy's NAVTAG training game.
I remember being handed Guard Force about a year prior to enlisting, around 2005. Fun Fact: Guard Force was actually a "spin-off" from another game that came out several years prior called "Real War". I also played that for a time. Same janky AI, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. R Lee Ermy also did voice-overs in the game. Also, after I enlisted, I remember being given America's Army as part of my fancy new recruit kit.
You just sent me on a rabbit hole of Real War and I’ll never get those hours back.
@@Justin_Taylor sorry not sorry. Lol.
I think videogames are mediums to information and also lifestyles, so, the US goverment doing hardcore propaganda in gaming isn't far fetched.
videogames are cool just like real games when we played in school. So the military is just like, "welp, if adults are already brainwashed by us why not doing the same to their kids :D" lmao.
P.D: i don't remember if other countries worldwide are doing the same as the US military, but the military asthethic and giving a premise to young people to "defend" their countries against a "major evil mustache man >;(" works because basic propaganda and feelings. also feelings aro so manipulative because is the opposite to thinking and being rational. it's just that catchphrase from GTA4 "War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other", true to the core.
Feelings makes us partisans. also, love your content! and also, for the people watching this, don't fall to propaganda and manipulative tactics to control your life! Love y'all.
time to dig up my old copy of VBS1!
america's army was a solid contender for somewhat realistic tactical shooter, down to the grenade spam and learning to pixel aim the 203 into the enemy's spawn.
I remember this issue coming up in the 80s with Battlezone being one bit of evidence. The government has seen the usefulness of video games for over 40 years now.
Oh, and tabletop/sand table wargaming has been a thing for much longer. Tactics II was the second (gasp!) version of a game called...
TACTICS.
The army also had a tabletop mini game called Dunn-Kempf and it was pretty fucking cool. There are a lot of micro armor games that the army used but Dunn-Kempf was made specifically for the army.
Military wargaming goes back to the late 1800s with games like Kreigspeil (literally War Game) being used in Prussia.
Info on all those games is available online and I suggest you go read about them, they're really fucking cool.
Oooh! I keep forgetting stuff. If you want to play a much improved version of Marine Doom, play 'Nam. It's a Build Engine game and it takes place during the Gulf War. Ha ha, no it takes place in 'Nam and it's really funny. I mean sad. I mean it's an OK game and it's better than Marine Doom but only just barely.
Take that Mr. Charles!
Joined Navy Academy because I played too much BFGA, that's a good one...
… I know what game I’m buying after work tonight
Nobody loves Flesh Simulator, a channel at least partially about exposing how evil the US Government is, more than Service Members
When I was in I asked the boots why they joined and the response was to kill the enemy I was in my head like they think that this is a video game
is that my boy OPERATION FLASHPOINT
ive never had more fun scavaging shit to try and arm my garbage forces with at least ak74s lol
Okay, ARMA being a military tool released to the civ public, is probably the cleverest bit of recruitment I've seen, tbh. Like, some generic FPS is fun an all, but it's not convincing me of shit. Giving me and my friends resources to plan and wage the most warcrime heavy conflict against each other, I'm all in, we're having like fucking tactical meetings in Discord if we should move resources to one of our offensively named locations, and our verbiage probably sounded more like an adult film than a military meeting, but still. I think the best of these games, never try and force the player to learn. Instead, put them in a challenging level, and force them to learn tactics and think their way through. Using something like CoD, a run-and-gun game, that just sounds like cannon-fodder recruitment.
I played the hell out of Operation Flashpoint dragon rising and red river when I was a kid. COD and BF could never scratch that “realistic” combat experience itch like those games.
there's a funny love/hate relationship I guess. used to watch a lot of starcraft, and the favorite players having to go do their mandatory military service, then come back and play starcraft when they were done.
tom clancy (ghost recon?) comes to mind though, for military recruitment, or maybe slant six... SOCOM. Like that always gets me goin. but definitely arma and all the psyops around arma footage, ehehe.
Calling Czech Republic Bohemia is funky
I'm Irish. I played America's Army 2 when I was like, 8.
I was doing the medical training when most kids were probably playing Super Mario Sunshine.
If nothing else, despite being unable to enlist, I hope you lads got your tax money's worth by having me play OPFOR for you to shoot at.
I LOVE MILSIM GAMES, I LOVE SQUAD, ARMA, PROJECT REALITY, DCS
Shakespeare alive and he’s a government contractor lmao
Resurrected for those sweet sweet contracts
Its hilarious that no game has ever made me even consider joining the military
EXCEPT for Metal Gear Solid
Say what you want about og America's Army, but it ran on integrated graphics (sort of) and it was free, so I was grateful for it.
400 ping on that bridge map trying to snipe was such fun, i managed to do very well in the marksman stuff back when i was a teenie i recall trying to get back into it a few years later and sucking much harder lol
Ahh dailup modem from New Zealand gotta aim where peeps gonna be for breakfast rather than at them lol
This is the REAL LIFE Last Starfighter !!!!❤
Awe shit, Jordan Uhl, he's talked a lot about this stuff. OK had to comment. Between that, and references to interpassivity, Beaudrillard, and Zizek, I can say this content was not what I expected when I first clicked on a video. (in a good way)
OK, this is a bit OT but does deal with games but let me place this in the category of being FYI.
So it seems that now one can import personalities to non player characters in games.
e.g. Goggle
AI Agents Can Now Clone ANY Human Personality! (Major Breakthrough)
So one could say capture the personalities of say the members of a squad or platoon or maybe even company and then run simulations (i.e. games) that factor in those personalities.
So then one might get an optimal mix of personality types and the use that to assign soldiers to branches of the service or even specific units.
Given that a potential recruit could take a test and then maybe get an idea of what branch they may be assigned.
That might help induce them to sign up... maybe... or maybe just the opposite.
But it would be an interesting study... given one had nothing better to study.
Also one could then use those human player versions of the games to test out the predictions of the non human player ones as well.
HEY! That thumbnail is Armstrong, I know him from my Eden and Everon deployment.
Lol the had an entire series. Americas Army entirely focused on recruitment. This isnt a secret, this is an open and admitted recruitment tactic.
i remember in high school when that crappy America's Army game came out.
"Shakespeare is alive and he is a god damn goverment contractor"