I never processed the idea that Gorrs son betraying him could be his subconscious trying to bring him back to the light. What a wonderful thought. Great insight!
The character did need a bit more development, gorr always felt like an epic but ultimately hollow villain. For instance he's ensuring others suffer without their gods just like he did. And that Thor fights back proves not all gods are bad. He's an eternal pessimist, it's not the most thought out personal philosophy.
@@JRussellDay I disagree, I know a lot of religious and political groups trying to push their ideas and laws without thinking about the consequences or the effects on others.
I remember just walking through the Comic Aisle of Barnes and Noble and stumbling across the Gor the God Butcher Storyline. Such an awesome image seeing Broken King Thor,Avengers Era Thor,and Young UNWORTHY Thor team up side by side against This Pyschopathic God Killer Gor.
Jason Aaron's God of Thunder run is what made Thor my favorite Marvel superhero. In particular, the first two arcs of God of Thunder, God Butcher and God Bomb, really brought out the epic-ness of the character, thanks to Jason Aaron's writing, and Esad Ribic's amazing art, which really lent itself well to the epic aspect of the story. Thank you for this episode, I'm really glad to hear about this run from one of my favorite comics UA-camrs!
His run made me like Jane foster Thor more than the regular Thor. The hate for Jane foster is unwarranted. One of my favorite characters. DC should have taken notes and given Superman a daughter instead of a son and made her thoughtful, vulnerable and new to her powers like Jane.
The fact that gods just...EXIST in all classical superhero universes is one of the big jokes that's always directed at them. But truly examining what that MEANS is a big swing to take, and on that couldn't be attempted without an awareness of possible controversy. It's a very high minded, high concept idea that this run pulls off so well as to make it look easy
Aaron's Thor run was really really good, i just wished he paid a little more attention to previous and current continuity in other books (e.g.: he completely ignored everything in Ewing's Loki: agent of asgard run, which, by the way is a read i'd highly recommend), but, man, I don't know what happened with his avengers run, i (personally) find it a slog to read (everything is so crancked up to eleven that nothing actually feels exciting, and that war of the realms she-hulk tie-in in which he basically just complained about people not liking his she-hulk for 20-ish pages was baaaaaad). Anyway, great review as always, love your videos!
I'm a Jason Aaron stan all the way, but I agree. His Avengers has been like "Avengers but with explosive rage and ALL the toys." I will say now that I see some Englehart in his stories I appreciate more his pulling from those sources, but it just hasn't been for me. Mind you, I think the best run of Avengers of all time was Busiek and Perez, so I set my bar pretty high, but yeah...his Avengers has just been all over the place.
@@HankChinaski27 he admitted his avengers run is just him having dumb fun because hahas..... that that's why he isn't even putting that much effort which only makes it more enfuriating it that he is doing his massive big a status quo retcons and doubles down on them (the whole, thor is son of the phoenix), canonizing basically poorly written fanfics and his villain sue original characters (the multiversal masters of evil, particularly doom supreme who is so boring even the doctor octopus doctor doom sorcerer supreme mashup from superior four was more interesting); and all te weird characterization he is giving to all the characters and all of that as a joke...... is like the equivalent of setting rome on fire because "it was fun" AND SOMEHOW I at least don't hate it as much as whatever zeb wells is doing at amazing spider-man
How was his later Thor run?. the one where he writes Jane Foster as Thor. I haven't read it, but heard a lot of complaints that he changed Thor's characters so much, and it really sucked. is that true?
@@v-trigger6137 personally, I liked it (although the beginning was VERY rough, like an issue in which Jane was fighting Titania and the Absorbing Man and Titania knocked out her husband and surrendered because she gave Jane a "girl pass" or something similar...Titania... The one that regularly fights She-Hulk. Furthermore I really don't care for the way he writes Odin, like, at all) I wouldn't know about Thor being out of character: on the one hand, at the beginning of Jane's run I recall him being quite a dick, but it kinda made sense with him being found unworthy (and why it was found so), getting mutilated and finding out someone else took his hammer and apparently has better control over it than him, all in a short time; later on he became more in line with the previous depictions. I'd say that from the point when the reader is made privy on who the new Thor is and onward the book gets pretty good, it just has some growing pains at the beginning. (BTW, not to shill, but if you have a phone/tablet/whatever and you are on the fence about the series, you could subscribe to Marvel Unlimited and give it a try: best case scenario, you love it and start collecting the physical copies; worst case, you don't like it and still have A LOT of great stories to read/try until your subscription expires)
Thanks again! These recaps are not just timely and entertaining, but genuinely valuable, highlighting the artistic merits of these stories that the casual fan would otherwise never be aware of!
@@ungreatfulduck750 never read dan’s run of Thor, I read Jason Aaron’s run up until the last days of Midgard and really enjoyed it and I’m currently trying to read the rest since I recently bought volumes 1-4 but I was wondering if you would recommend reading dan’s run as well?
Gor's Subconscious desire for defeat reminds me of Metamorphosis in Gandahar. Also the time skipping. I do love the European art style. Thanks again Chris.
What a wonderful summation of JASON AARON's wonderful early run on the THOR series. I also loved it on first reading. And ESAD RIBIC's art is DIVINE and INSPIRED.
I mean his whole run was about thor questioning himself as a god and coming to terms with the fact that he isn’t the majestic righteous deity he believed he was.
@@pious83 …is an okay movie at best that literally no one talks about anymore. Thus kinda proving the point that carbon copy adaptation doesn’t make a good movie
Waititi has just butchered most of this run, parodied it, and it’s my favourite run so I’m not too pleased. I just hope Aaron got a decent check from Disney for providing the source material.
I've never really read Thor but I can say Christian Bale's performance (comic accurate or not) was incredible and the best part of the film. He just chews up the scenery. The rest of the film was uneven but I still recommend it.
Please please PLEASE do a video on Aaron's Ghost Rider run. He took up writing duties after Danny Way decided to make the Ghost Rider an angel of vengeance in his last issue of the Vicious Cycle storyline and saved the character from what many considered a strange and unnecessary plot twist.
That is one of my favorite runs of all time. I was reticent, but I'll read anything Ghost Rider, and his totally flipping the mythology on its heads was such an inspired take on a character that just seemed to be continuance of the same old tropes. Good stuff.
Definitely feels like Gorr was meant to be a bit of a dark alternate history of saint walker. Their origin stories are almost identical up to where they both get their powers
I'm just getting back into comics in over a decade, started reading Immortal Hulk and the Batman Who Laughs stuff recently, and this video helped me make up my mind about reading this run. It seems wonderful. Jason Aaron has always been a talented creator. I just got vol 1 today and cannot wait to get into it. Great video, man. Keep it up.
I was disappointed with Gorr essentially being an edgy neo-atheist and the writing not exploring anything deeper than that, but I'm still glad it existed. Especially since it set up the Unworthy Thor arc so well.
Yeah, it going into the tired Christian movie trope of “The edgy atheist actually did believe the whole time!” comes off as really tired, unoriginal, and just overall not particularly thoughtful. But that doesn’t damage the rest of the narrative enough to drag it down, I think. And the marvel universe runs on different assumptions than our own, so one could give it a pass. Definitely could’ve been explored better
What is meant being worthy? isn't that question answered in many many issues of Spider-Man, whole premise of spider-man is built upon with great Power comes great responsibility. I will read first 11 issue because those sounds super duper fun..
Great video! I'd highly recommend the new Thor by Jason Aaron omnibus as a great way to read this run. It collects the first half of the run in the correct reading order and even has an excerpt from Original Sin to give context. Here's hoping they publish volume 2 soon to compete this epic run!
Yeah but its the matter of execution, there are many characters like Gorr but they are either portrayed differently or have a different fate than others
@@pious83 Really? I loved Wolverine and the X-Men. It was a fun book, and there was a stretch where it felt like the only X-book I was reading because I enjoyed it and not because I felt some compulsion to read all the X stuff. I kind of agree about the Avengers, though. A full 5 issue arc of characters fighting over who gets the Phoenix force that really could've and should've been a single issue? You know going in that it doesn't matter. None of these characters are going to be the next Phoenix, and even if they are, it won't be for very long. So why drag this out?
@@sim4344 There's a panel with narration in Hickman's Powers of X book. Which refers to the 2010's as the "lost decade". A veiled swipe at the quality of Aaron, Bendis and Fraction's output. Obviously the petty, behind the scenes movie rights nonsense by Disney played a part in it, too. My own personal favourite X-Man - Beast - has been at the receiving end of near constant character assassination. Which began during this time too. The title of 'Wolverine and the X-Men' (both the comic and show) put a lot of fans backs up also. For obvious reasons. Bachelo's art being quite divisive didn't help. I believe it was Bendis that championed the current bastardisation of the Phoenix Force in AvX too. Treating it as a power-up for everyone, when it *never* was.
@@pious83 Sure. But I don't think "quality" is quite the right word. Art is subjective. Even my problem isn't so much with his writing as it is with the nature of modern superhero comics and writing stories with the tpb in mind. For all that I've heard complaining about Aaron's run, including some from myself, I kinda feel like he wouldn't be on what, year 4 of his run if it was that much of a problem. What obvious reasons? Again, I quite enjoyed it. I know I'm not the only one. I'll agree that Bachalo is very stylized, and not everyone's cup of tea. But Nick Bradshaw also drew a lot of the series. That sounds right. I didn't care for AvX.
I stopped following almost all modern titles years ago (unless your count Love & Rockets and Saga), but I still see art I like and I remember finding Esad Ribic's work really beautiful and a great fit for Thor. This summary actually makes me interested in reading Aaron and Ribic's run. Although, seeing the insane difficulty in following which titles the story continues in is enough to give me an aneurysm (and probably represents an unfathomable barrier to entry for any newcomer).
@@ComicTropes no the inscription itself says "whoever wields it has the POWERS of thor" it doesnt say "you become thor" there is a very clear distinction between the two. shes got a great arc, and a great story, and she uses the powers well........but shes still "jane foster", and he is still "thor"
Why are people so upset over Jane Foster being Thor when there have been several characters in the past who took on the name and role of Thor? Were they that upset when Eric Masterson, Dargo K'Tor, and Red Norvell all called themselves Thor? Probably not.
@@blackphoenix77 eric was LITERALLY fused with the real thor, dargo is from another universe, and time than the real thor, no clue who red is, but from looking him up, just like with jane, hes gains the POWERS of thor, just through differing means, closer to the original myths that thor came from.
Aaron's run on Punisher Max is also a fantastic character study on Frank. He takes everything Ennis did throughout that series and gives it a great conclusion.
That three time period thing was similar to the finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation. The part of your video where you have to explain the complicated process of actually trying to read this story illustrates one of the major problems with the American comic book industry. There should just be one comic book called "Thor", where you could tell people "this story is between issue x and y". Another thing that annoys me about modern comics: why did they stop using the standard thought balloons? They just put all their thoughts into rectangles and if there is more than one character they don't give any indication which character's thoughts they are.
Narration boxes serve a different purpose than thought bubbles. Narration boxes frame the story while also revealing characters thoughts or intentions where thought bubbles only reveal excerpts of a characters thoughts in the moment. If it's ever unclear who's thoughts you're reading in a narration box then it is generally intentional to serve as a reveal later on. Traditional thought bubbles are still used just differently.
Gorr the God-Butcher's comic arc WAS dubbed on UA-cam by a page known as the Russian Comic Book Geek. Him and his team effectively made two feature-length parts for the saga, it's amazing.
Fantastic episode. Love the Aaron /Ribic team. Thank you for covering one of the best Thor runs since Simonson. Keep up the good work and we will keep reading comics. Thank you, Chris.
The last Aaron arc I was able to enjoy without problems, his inmediate follow up arc to godbomb with the start of the war of the realms was already a redflag in how the quality of his writting started going down with a fairly uninspired version of Malekith. Like the whole Jane Foster arc felt like entirely supported itself in the gimmick yet did nothing to make Jane's character compelling which I don't get because Aaron can write great female characters, his new character during his ghost rider run Sara the caretaker for example is a fantastic new character that stand on her own, yet Jane feels like a carboard cut out in Aaron's mighty Thor. We are never given a satisfactory reason of why she became worthy outside of having a uncurable deasease that she is offered magic cures but she rejects, this directly contradicts the what makes one worthy as it was clearly layout by Simonson's Thor with Beta Ray Bill that to be worthy is not just being a good person, not just to go through great personal pain, Bill and Thor common ground was always that they carried their entire people's safety, hopes and destiny on their backs, and the fact they were willing to expand their devotions to other people, I never got that out of Aaron's version of Jane, hell Sif would had been a better pick for female Thor, or use the retcon in Strancinsky's Thor that part of Thor's soul was used by Strange to reforge the hammer, and that Thor's love for Jane was what allow her to lift the hammer initially and she later becomes worthy as her character develops, kinda how Thuderstrike became worthy by living Thor's life. I mean is not a bad run but I feel Aaron's lost a lot his writting quality during this run, it doesn't help his Avengers' run after this one has a lot of the cast feeling out of character specially She-Hulk.
A lot of people think that Jane-Thor was editorially mandated rather than something Aaron wanted to do. If so, that would explain why he had trouble writing her.
They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
I loved reading this comic years ago and was stoked they were going to bring it to the mcu, especially after enjoying ragnorok… what an absolute trash heap the movie ended up being. Why mix multiple comic story lines… the god butcher story would have been perfect… and they go out of their way to make Thanos look awesome… but because Gorr doesn’t have a nose and is white, they were terrified people would only see Voldemort… ah, I see. I forgot Voldemort wore an outfit similar to gor’s, or has the same type feet, or head shape… such a wasted opportunity. The character development of thor was great, especially the scenes with his mom in endgame… but they wanted to undo all that work for some reason and make him do the splits and have an iq of 85… and Russell Crowe deserved way better
Lol, imagine enjoying Thor Ragnarok, which completely butchered and lobotomized two iconic storylines for Thor and Hulk (which should've never been cobbled together in the first place), but then being disappointed when a movie by the same creative team did the exact same thing the one before it did. I'm sorry, pal, but were you really expecting some high-stake time travel superhero epic with the tone of a Zack Snyder movie out of Taika Waititi? Well, I say you're dumb, then.
i do not get that shirt, and ive googled it, and there are MULTITUDES of versions, and all of them have the chars is different places, with no real rhyme or reason......HOW ARE THEY SORTED?!?! what is the reasoning? are they grouped by powers, or is it juts costume colors?
I recently read this entire run by Aaron and had a totally different reaction to it. I think the greatest weakness it had was that the entire premise of Thor doubting himself, or rather Mjolnir doubting him, made absolutely no sense. What really was different about Thor between when he became "unworthy" and at the end of the run where he magically became worthy again? He was a hero throughout the run, looking to save others all the time, even due to some great sacrifices to himself. There was no great change because the character was being a hero the entire time. The answer is because the story demanded it basically, because at no point in the story did it actually make you think that "yeah, Thor is totally unworthy....you know while he's saving the universe.... again". And you can tell Aaron had no clue how he was going to make Thor "unworthy" since he didn't reveal what was whispered to him in Original Sin for months and months later. When the reveal finally happened......it was just plain dumb. I can understand trying new things, like a female Thor. Although I also found it weird that she named herself Thor, the hammer gives you the power of Thor. You don't actually *become* him. I can understand why Marvel the comic publishing company wants to publish her in a comic named Thor for sales purposes, but storywise again it made no sense. I would like for this different story Aaron wanted to tell, to just have better reasoning behind it I guess than none at all. Make Thor actually have done something that would make him, or rather again Mjolnir, question his worthyness. If Mjolnir thought all the Gods were unworthy, why would it create another God by making a female Thor? For that matter what had the new Thor done to being worthy? If we're looking at the worst examples to base the worthyness of the entire group like was being done to the Gods, how in the Hell would humans be seen as more worthy? :D I thought it was an ok journey overall, definitely helped by the great art. But I wouldn't put it at the upper half of Thor runs.
I think making Jane Thor makes sense seeing a mjolnir deemed the gods unworthy because of gorr’s ideology of there are no gods and if they do exist then they don’t care what happens to us because they let atrocities happen everywhere like what happened to his tribe and family, because while Thor does save the planet and the world all the time along with the avengers there are times when he might not be needed in a conflict because the other avengers would be enough to stop the threat so instead of doing that he could focus on answering the prayers of people that might actually need him and I think mjolnir making Jane foster Thor works in my opinion because she’s a human and deals with human problems just like the people Thor is supposed to be protecting no matter how small their prayer may be.
Hello there Chris, and all the Comic Troopers! I don't think I've ever read this - but I'm going to start reading now. I really appreciate the explicit run-down of the issues and reading order. I'm sure a lot of people do. Good video :) Cheers Chris, and everybody out there :) "LiL'JpD." edit: Im reading thru the first issue, and it does not disappoint; the art, coloring, and atmosphere are all beautiful. The story has a natural and believable way with character voice and interaction :)
Marvel does seem to like having villains loose because they believe they should fail. Wasn’t that why Thanos originally faced I. The Infinity Gauntlet saga?
Leaving aside the story you discuss here and the Jane Foster Thor coming after there's one thing I really, _really_ didn't like about this run and it's the way Thor becomes unworthy. I'm sorry, but it's outright stupid. Imagine if all it took for someone to become unworthy of something is to basically be told "Hey, you're not worthy". Then no one would every be worthy of anything. It would be different if during his adventures Thor started to lose his cool and realized upon introspection that he was doing more harm than good. Then at some point he'd realize he could no longer lift the hammer. You become unworthy by your actions, not because someone tells you to. And marginally related to this, I also hate how the way they try to make Nick Fury be "smart" is by manipulating people with his words in unrealistic ways. Leaving aside the Thor example, something similar happened in Ultimatum, where he got Magneto to stop by telling him the truth about the origin of the mutants. Are we really expected to believe that such a powerful fanatic like Magneto was just going to believe him? Or, even if he believed him, he would stop? Of course not, it's ridiculous. Facts don't stop fanatics when you bring evidence, let alone if you have none. This sort of unrealistic behavior takes me out of the story immediately. You cannot expect me to care about the drama if your characters don't behave like actual people, regardless of their power level.
I do agree with your critique that Thor has no motivation as a character under Aaron. But for dumb-action-driven comics, there is hardly any better than the first 2 arcs of Thor God of Thunder. Personally I lost interest after that, but the first two were perfection.
Great video, but I need to look up just what a god is in marvel, cuz I've never really thought about how they're different than a regular super person.
I much more prefer the origin story of the 1st blue lantern saint walker. Stop blame your problem on gods, invest in yourself and have faith, love not hate.
I remember issue 15 of this series creeping me out, cause there's a scene where a bunch of elves force feed a warrior until his belly is about to explode. Really gross and creepy.
This is just my opinion, but I feel that Gorr was the main character in this story. He is the one that goes thru the most changes and as a sub conscious heel turn thru his imaginary son.
I was so happy with aarons run it was incredible from start to finish its actually one of the last comics i read before a fell away from comics and im glad it was one of the last
In my interpretation, Gorr is an allusion towards atheists who turn on religion and criticize it and its followers, using arguments about how much bad religion has brought to the world and how it raises generations of people with false values that are told to hate this or that, but do it out of vitriol and selfish reasons, not realizing they're just as much blind followers of their faith as those who believe in a man in the sky.
I didn't mind this run, but I didn't like anything surrounding it. I thought original sin was ridiculous and mean-spirited in tone, and seemed to almost be a thumb in the eye of long-term fans by introducing the fact that every single character has some unforgivable sin that they carry with them. it was fine when it existed, but for many They just added something retroactively. the only thing I enjoyed out of it was how they made the eye, a very weird original Ghost Rider villain, into something truly surreal. lady Thor was more of a mixed bag for me. the first handful of issues were horribly written, full of things that honestly if you're curious just hit up Twitter or Google social media, anything anybody ever said negative about the comic could be based off of those and first handful of issues. past that, the problem I had was more that it touched a little close to home. I lost a loved one to cancer, and I didn't really have a desire to read a comic where when they aren't a superhero they are a bald woman with terminal cancer. I have heard good things though once the initial story arc was ended
and separate comment, but past that point I lost all interest in Thor. Which is a shame, I had been collecting it for many years, but the constant renumbering zand miniseries and everything else really ticked me off. It made it impossible to know what I was missing, it dragged everything out far more than it needed to be, it killed any interest I had because I had no idea what to read or in what order and I didn't feel like tracking down a reading list when they could have just happily stuck with the same numbering
All the jokes undermine the seriousness of the villian. You cant have a godslayer, tackle issues of religion, and also be a rom com. Its a complete mess. This was Gorrs only chance and they wasted him.
I love Ribic's artwork, it's too bad he rushes from time to time. Not his fault though. Unfortunately some of Aaron's Thor run is quite mediocre. I thought it was very lazy and insulting to have Jane wield Mjölnir. She could've at least gotten a new name. Great characters like Beta Ray Bill, Cpt America, Storm, Wonder Woman and Superman make sense of being worthy. They also didn't straight up take Thor's name. If anything Lady Sif should've become The Mighty Lady Sif!! She's been through a lot of crazy shit. What a missed opportunity.
I completely loved this book, but, like you, I agree that Simonson arguably has the best run of all time. I definitely hold Aaron up there with the likes of Jurgens (I love the beginning of that run so much) and J Straczynski...even some of Wein and Englehart's work.
They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
Was it really all that new? Jurgens had just done a god killer story. He also had just had female Thor in quite a bit of his run. Really Arron just repackaged a bunch of Jurgens ideas.
Not really, God killers in marvel have came before Jurgens. Mangog, Gorgon, the uncreated and the god eater existed before that. Thor Girl was a separate character that nobody cared about and was preceded by a what if story.
@@bizzerdman2093 They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
@@kayag8 again not really, Fury (with the watcher's eye) confirmed that Gor was right. God's are not fully great benevolent beings, they are flawed and capable of cruel and uncaring acts (as shown with Odin, Cul and the Shi'ar Gods). Thor himself accepted that and thought of himself unworthy because of it, that was until proving to himself he can be a great God. It shows (like people) Gods can make bad and evil decisions but are capable of change (like Odin did at the end). Just because a character didn't say it doesn't mean it's not there. It's called show don't tell. What does this have to do with your Jurgens complaint?
@@bizzerdman2093 Not really, Im talking about real life. Obviously marvel gods are bad but the story is about the REAL LIFE issue of God. You know if Jesus and god love you then why do the let kids get cancer? He used the real life probleam and came up with a bad fake story (In the end but the beggining was good).
@@kayag8 you shouldn't look to comic books for questions on faith and religion. Especially if the writer of the story is an atheist (which Jason Aaron is). At most the story is about how nobody is flawless (not even Gods) but people can better themselves and grow. If you want something closer to real life read Captain America, X-Men, Hulk, Ms. Marvel and others. They tackle real life issues a lot more than Thor.
I never processed the idea that Gorrs son betraying him could be his subconscious trying to bring him back to the light. What a wonderful thought. Great insight!
The character did need a bit more development, gorr always felt like an epic but ultimately hollow villain. For instance he's ensuring others suffer without their gods just like he did. And that Thor fights back proves not all gods are bad. He's an eternal pessimist, it's not the most thought out personal philosophy.
@@JRussellDay I disagree, I know a lot of religious and political groups trying to push their ideas and laws without thinking about the consequences or the effects on others.
What do you mean king Thor literally said that
I think his "son" betrays him, because Gorr became god. He hates gods so much that he unconsciously wants to kill himself
They literally tell you that in the story.
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I remember just walking through the Comic Aisle of Barnes and Noble and stumbling across the Gor the God Butcher Storyline.
Such an awesome image seeing Broken King Thor,Avengers Era Thor,and Young UNWORTHY Thor team up side by side against This Pyschopathic God Killer Gor.
And it's all written in such a brilliant & cool way.
Jason Aaron's God of Thunder run is what made Thor my favorite Marvel superhero. In particular, the first two arcs of God of Thunder, God Butcher and God Bomb, really brought out the epic-ness of the character, thanks to Jason Aaron's writing, and Esad Ribic's amazing art, which really lent itself well to the epic aspect of the story. Thank you for this episode, I'm really glad to hear about this run from one of my favorite comics UA-camrs!
His run made me like Jane foster Thor more than the regular Thor. The hate for Jane foster is unwarranted. One of my favorite characters. DC should have taken notes and given Superman a daughter instead of a son and made her thoughtful, vulnerable and new to her powers like Jane.
why dont you do a review of Jason Aaron's Scalped?
The fact that gods just...EXIST in all classical superhero universes is one of the big jokes that's always directed at them. But truly examining what that MEANS is a big swing to take, and on that couldn't be attempted without an awareness of possible controversy. It's a very high minded, high concept idea that this run pulls off so well as to make it look easy
Aaron's Thor run was really really good, i just wished he paid a little more attention to previous and current continuity in other books (e.g.: he completely ignored everything in Ewing's Loki: agent of asgard run, which, by the way is a read i'd highly recommend), but, man, I don't know what happened with his avengers run, i (personally) find it a slog to read (everything is so crancked up to eleven that nothing actually feels exciting, and that war of the realms she-hulk tie-in in which he basically just complained about people not liking his she-hulk for 20-ish pages was baaaaaad).
Anyway, great review as always, love your videos!
I'm a Jason Aaron stan all the way, but I agree. His Avengers has been like "Avengers but with explosive rage and ALL the toys." I will say now that I see some Englehart in his stories I appreciate more his pulling from those sources, but it just hasn't been for me. Mind you, I think the best run of Avengers of all time was Busiek and Perez, so I set my bar pretty high, but yeah...his Avengers has just been all over the place.
Aaron's Avengers run is a trainwreck; I bailed on it after the lackluster Phoenix Tournament storyline
@@HankChinaski27 he admitted his avengers run is just him having dumb fun because hahas..... that that's why he isn't even putting that much effort
which only makes it more enfuriating it that he is doing his massive big a status quo retcons and doubles down on them (the whole, thor is son of the phoenix), canonizing basically poorly written fanfics and his villain sue original characters (the multiversal masters of evil, particularly doom supreme who is so boring even the doctor octopus doctor doom sorcerer supreme mashup from superior four was more interesting); and all te weird characterization he is giving to all the characters and all of that as a joke......
is like the equivalent of setting rome on fire because "it was fun"
AND SOMEHOW I at least don't hate it as much as whatever zeb wells is doing at amazing spider-man
How was his later Thor run?. the one where he writes Jane Foster as Thor. I haven't read it, but heard a lot of complaints that he changed Thor's characters so much, and it really sucked. is that true?
@@v-trigger6137 personally, I liked it (although the beginning was VERY rough, like an issue in which Jane was fighting Titania and the Absorbing Man and Titania knocked out her husband and surrendered because she gave Jane a "girl pass" or something similar...Titania... The one that regularly fights She-Hulk. Furthermore I really don't care for the way he writes Odin, like, at all) I wouldn't know about Thor being out of character: on the one hand, at the beginning of Jane's run I recall him being quite a dick, but it kinda made sense with him being found unworthy (and why it was found so), getting mutilated and finding out someone else took his hammer and apparently has better control over it than him, all in a short time; later on he became more in line with the previous depictions. I'd say that from the point when the reader is made privy on who the new Thor is and onward the book gets pretty good, it just has some growing pains at the beginning.
(BTW, not to shill, but if you have a phone/tablet/whatever and you are on the fence about the series, you could subscribe to Marvel Unlimited and give it a try: best case scenario, you love it and start collecting the physical copies; worst case, you don't like it and still have A LOT of great stories to read/try until your subscription expires)
Thanks again! These recaps are not just timely and entertaining, but genuinely valuable, highlighting the artistic merits of these stories that the casual fan would otherwise never be aware of!
@@ungreatfulduck750 never read dan’s run of Thor, I read Jason Aaron’s run up until the last days of Midgard and really enjoyed it and I’m currently trying to read the rest since I recently bought volumes 1-4 but I was wondering if you would recommend reading dan’s run as well?
Gor's Subconscious desire for defeat reminds me of Metamorphosis in Gandahar. Also the time skipping.
I do love the European art style.
Thanks again Chris.
What a wonderful summation of JASON AARON's wonderful early run on the THOR series. I also loved it on first reading. And ESAD RIBIC's art is DIVINE and INSPIRED.
I kinda wish they adapted this story instead of what we got in Love and Thunder.
They shoulda done this in 2 movies. Also no love for thors daughters?? One of my favorite parts of the story.
This movie was patetic. Nothing more.
I didn’t like his run, because he had Thor losing arms as well having a whole lot of different hammers and not being able to lift his original hammer.
I mean his whole run was about thor questioning himself as a god and coming to terms with the fact that he isn’t the majestic righteous deity he believed he was.
Now why couldnt they have made THIS into a movie?
Doesn't quite mesh with _Dudebro_ Thor.
Because that's not how MCU works and you can't carbon copy comic book story for another medium.
@@Mecha82 Sin City (2005)
Because it's MCU , The universe of trash movies (don't get me wrong in mcu there were only 7 or 8 good movies and rest of them are totally trash)
@@pious83 …is an okay movie at best that literally no one talks about anymore. Thus kinda proving the point that carbon copy adaptation doesn’t make a good movie
Waititi has just butchered most of this run, parodied it, and it’s my favourite run so I’m not too pleased. I just hope Aaron got a decent check from Disney for providing the source material.
Aaron is credited as a creative consultant on the film
I wouldn't hold my breath considering disney
I've never really read Thor but I can say Christian Bale's performance (comic accurate or not) was incredible and the best part of the film. He just chews up the scenery. The rest of the film was uneven but I still recommend it.
@@djarcadian perfectly said! He was so much fun, the rest of it was pretty good
Typical waititi
Please please PLEASE do a video on Aaron's Ghost Rider run. He took up writing duties after Danny Way decided to make the Ghost Rider an angel of vengeance in his last issue of the Vicious Cycle storyline and saved the character from what many considered a strange and unnecessary plot twist.
That is one of my favorite runs of all time. I was reticent, but I'll read anything Ghost Rider, and his totally flipping the mythology on its heads was such an inspired take on a character that just seemed to be continuance of the same old tropes. Good stuff.
Up.
Isn't it weird how similar Gorr and Saint Walker from DC are? Beyond appearance, their origins are eerily similar
Definitely feels like Gorr was meant to be a bit of a dark alternate history of saint walker. Their origin stories are almost identical up to where they both get their powers
He's Saint Walker if he became an edgy atheist.
I'm just getting back into comics in over a decade, started reading Immortal Hulk and the Batman Who Laughs stuff recently, and this video helped me make up my mind about reading this run. It seems wonderful. Jason Aaron has always been a talented creator. I just got vol 1 today and cannot wait to get into it. Great video, man. Keep it up.
Might give this run a read, the movie was pretty terrible
I can't agree with your negative opinion about Love And Thunder. It's fun movie.
@@Mecha82 barely a movie. Just sit com jokes strung together by a plot that even the characters don't take seriously.
I was disappointed with Gorr essentially being an edgy neo-atheist and the writing not exploring anything deeper than that, but I'm still glad it existed. Especially since it set up the Unworthy Thor arc so well.
Yeah, it going into the tired Christian movie trope of “The edgy atheist actually did believe the whole time!” comes off as really tired, unoriginal, and just overall not particularly thoughtful. But that doesn’t damage the rest of the narrative enough to drag it down, I think. And the marvel universe runs on different assumptions than our own, so one could give it a pass. Definitely could’ve been explored better
That ending list was almost biblical...
"Thus Thors begat The Mighty Thor, who begat The Unworthy Thor, who begat The Mighty Thor..."
Esad Ribic is awesome.
What is meant being worthy?
isn't that question answered in many many issues of Spider-Man, whole premise of spider-man is built upon with great Power comes great responsibility.
I will read first 11 issue because those sounds super duper fun..
The god of bombs.... Come on man. Lol. Ffs. The god of bombs
Great video! I'd highly recommend the new Thor by Jason Aaron omnibus as a great way to read this run. It collects the first half of the run in the correct reading order and even has an excerpt from Original Sin to give context. Here's hoping they publish volume 2 soon to compete this epic run!
Well Gorr isn´t very original. He is basically Desak, Destroyer of Gods
Yeah but its the matter of execution, there are many characters like Gorr but they are either portrayed differently or have a different fate than others
I think the unfortunate elephant in the room when discussing Jason Aaron's writing is his current Avengers series.
Also Wolverine and the X-Men. Which wasn't great.
My problem is why did he think about moon knight
@@pious83 Really? I loved Wolverine and the X-Men. It was a fun book, and there was a stretch where it felt like the only X-book I was reading because I enjoyed it and not because I felt some compulsion to read all the X stuff. I kind of agree about the Avengers, though. A full 5 issue arc of characters fighting over who gets the Phoenix force that really could've and should've been a single issue? You know going in that it doesn't matter. None of these characters are going to be the next Phoenix, and even if they are, it won't be for very long. So why drag this out?
@@sim4344 There's a panel with narration in Hickman's Powers of X book. Which refers to the 2010's as the "lost decade". A veiled swipe at the quality of Aaron, Bendis and Fraction's output. Obviously the petty, behind the scenes movie rights nonsense by Disney played a part in it, too.
My own personal favourite X-Man - Beast - has been at the receiving end of near constant character assassination. Which began during this time too.
The title of 'Wolverine and the X-Men' (both the comic and show) put a lot of fans backs up also. For obvious reasons. Bachelo's art being quite divisive didn't help.
I believe it was Bendis that championed the current bastardisation of the Phoenix Force in AvX too. Treating it as a power-up for everyone, when it *never* was.
@@pious83 Sure. But I don't think "quality" is quite the right word. Art is subjective. Even my problem isn't so much with his writing as it is with the nature of modern superhero comics and writing stories with the tpb in mind. For all that I've heard complaining about Aaron's run, including some from myself, I kinda feel like he wouldn't be on what, year 4 of his run if it was that much of a problem.
What obvious reasons? Again, I quite enjoyed it. I know I'm not the only one. I'll agree that Bachalo is very stylized, and not everyone's cup of tea. But Nick Bradshaw also drew a lot of the series.
That sounds right. I didn't care for AvX.
I'm sure Dan Jurgens is very happy that Jason Aaron gets all the credit for creating a Thor villain he invented ten years before him.
Source?
I stopped following almost all modern titles years ago (unless your count Love & Rockets and Saga), but I still see art I like and I remember finding Esad Ribic's work really beautiful and a great fit for Thor. This summary actually makes me interested in reading Aaron and Ribic's run. Although, seeing the insane difficulty in following which titles the story continues in is enough to give me an aneurysm (and probably represents an unfathomable barrier to entry for any newcomer).
jane foster.....is jane foster, she has the POWERS of thor but SHE ISNT THOR, thor is thor.
She’s Thor. Thor is Thor Odinson. Whoever can wield Mjolnir can be Thor.
@@ComicTropes no the inscription itself says "whoever wields it has the POWERS of thor"
it doesnt say "you become thor"
there is a very clear distinction between the two.
shes got a great arc, and a great story, and she uses the powers well........but shes still "jane foster", and he is still "thor"
Why are people so upset over Jane Foster being Thor when there have been several characters in the past who took on the name and role of Thor? Were they that upset when Eric Masterson, Dargo K'Tor, and Red Norvell all called themselves Thor? Probably not.
@@blackphoenix77 eric was LITERALLY fused with the real thor, dargo is from another universe, and time than the real thor, no clue who red is, but from looking him up, just like with jane, hes gains the POWERS of thor, just through differing means, closer to the original myths that thor came from.
I would’ve loved of the past and future Thor in love and thunder
Seriously frustrating when they renumber runs in comics...it should not be that hard to track an author's run on a given character.
Great video ! One of the best omnibus for the money. Jason Aaron Thor omnibus ! Amazing !
Aaron's run on Punisher Max is also a fantastic character study on Frank. He takes everything Ennis did throughout that series and gives it a great conclusion.
That three time period thing was similar to the finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
The part of your video where you have to explain the complicated process of actually trying to read this story illustrates one of the major problems with the American comic book industry. There should just be one comic book called "Thor", where you could tell people "this story is between issue x and y".
Another thing that annoys me about modern comics: why did they stop using the standard thought balloons? They just put all their thoughts into rectangles and if there is more than one character they don't give any indication which character's thoughts they are.
Narration boxes serve a different purpose than thought bubbles. Narration boxes frame the story while also revealing characters thoughts or intentions where thought bubbles only reveal excerpts of a characters thoughts in the moment. If it's ever unclear who's thoughts you're reading in a narration box then it is generally intentional to serve as a reveal later on. Traditional thought bubbles are still used just differently.
good video, I did enjoy these comics A LOT! They were a fresh surprise and really hit hard emotionally.
Love your work, Chris. Thank you for introducing me to this work.
Give me this movie cause idk what I saw in theaters
Gorr the God-Butcher's comic arc WAS dubbed on UA-cam by a page known as the Russian Comic Book Geek. Him and his team effectively made two feature-length parts for the saga, it's amazing.
I love Russian Comic Book Geek's work.
Fantastic episode. Love the Aaron /Ribic team. Thank you for covering one of the best Thor runs since Simonson. Keep up the good work and we will keep reading comics. Thank you, Chris.
God just think how awesome it would have been to have 3 thors instead of having thor regress back to being thor 1 for this new thor movie.
Loved this story, reminded me of the epic Thor confrontations from Walter Simonsen's 80s run that seemed set outside of time.
You CAN opt to skip the Thors series, but if you do get a chance to read them I would highly suggest it. Very fun story
I would love a video similar to this one on Morrison's New X-men.
Yes please, do THIS!!!
That would be great :)
Positives: grant Morrisons ideas, fantomex, the new mutant kids, frank quitly art.
Negatives: Igor kordey
@@notyou8535 His issues are indeed painful for the eyes, but I think it was because he rushed to do them or something like that.
The last Aaron arc I was able to enjoy without problems, his inmediate follow up arc to godbomb with the start of the war of the realms was already a redflag in how the quality of his writting started going down with a fairly uninspired version of Malekith.
Like the whole Jane Foster arc felt like entirely supported itself in the gimmick yet did nothing to make Jane's character compelling which I don't get because Aaron can write great female characters, his new character during his ghost rider run Sara the caretaker for example is a fantastic new character that stand on her own, yet Jane feels like a carboard cut out in Aaron's mighty Thor.
We are never given a satisfactory reason of why she became worthy outside of having a uncurable deasease that she is offered magic cures but she rejects, this directly contradicts the what makes one worthy as it was clearly layout by Simonson's Thor with Beta Ray Bill that to be worthy is not just being a good person, not just to go through great personal pain, Bill and Thor common ground was always that they carried their entire people's safety, hopes and destiny on their backs, and the fact they were willing to expand their devotions to other people, I never got that out of Aaron's version of Jane, hell Sif would had been a better pick for female Thor, or use the retcon in Strancinsky's Thor that part of Thor's soul was used by Strange to reforge the hammer, and that Thor's love for Jane was what allow her to lift the hammer initially and she later becomes worthy as her character develops, kinda how Thuderstrike became worthy by living Thor's life.
I mean is not a bad run but I feel Aaron's lost a lot his writting quality during this run, it doesn't help his Avengers' run after this one has a lot of the cast feeling out of character specially She-Hulk.
A lot of people think that Jane-Thor was editorially mandated rather than something Aaron wanted to do. If so, that would explain why he had trouble writing her.
They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
I am still sad that they never finished printing the Hardcover volumes of Scalped, I heard it was due to the TV Pilot being horrible ;p
I loved reading this comic years ago and was stoked they were going to bring it to the mcu, especially after enjoying ragnorok… what an absolute trash heap the movie ended up being. Why mix multiple comic story lines… the god butcher story would have been perfect… and they go out of their way to make Thanos look awesome… but because Gorr doesn’t have a nose and is white, they were terrified people would only see Voldemort… ah, I see. I forgot Voldemort wore an outfit similar to gor’s, or has the same type feet, or head shape… such a wasted opportunity. The character development of thor was great, especially the scenes with his mom in endgame… but they wanted to undo all that work for some reason and make him do the splits and have an iq of 85… and Russell Crowe deserved way better
Lol, imagine enjoying Thor Ragnarok, which completely butchered and lobotomized two iconic storylines for Thor and Hulk (which should've never been cobbled together in the first place), but then being disappointed when a movie by the same creative team did the exact same thing the one before it did. I'm sorry, pal, but were you really expecting some high-stake time travel superhero epic with the tone of a Zack Snyder movie out of Taika Waititi? Well, I say you're dumb, then.
@@antona.1327lol liking a movie you don’t doesn’t make someone dumb. Ragnarok was a fun movie
I liked Gorr the God Butcher before his emo phase back when he was Desak the God Slayer.
i do not get that shirt, and ive googled it, and there are MULTITUDES of versions, and all of them have the chars is different places, with no real rhyme or reason......HOW ARE THEY SORTED?!?! what is the reasoning? are they grouped by powers, or is it juts costume colors?
Hey O'l buddy! i'll watch this now
I recently read this entire run by Aaron and had a totally different reaction to it. I think the greatest weakness it had was that the entire premise of Thor doubting himself, or rather Mjolnir doubting him, made absolutely no sense. What really was different about Thor between when he became "unworthy" and at the end of the run where he magically became worthy again? He was a hero throughout the run, looking to save others all the time, even due to some great sacrifices to himself. There was no great change because the character was being a hero the entire time.
The answer is because the story demanded it basically, because at no point in the story did it actually make you think that "yeah, Thor is totally unworthy....you know while he's saving the universe.... again". And you can tell Aaron had no clue how he was going to make Thor "unworthy" since he didn't reveal what was whispered to him in Original Sin for months and months later. When the reveal finally happened......it was just plain dumb.
I can understand trying new things, like a female Thor. Although I also found it weird that she named herself Thor, the hammer gives you the power of Thor. You don't actually *become* him. I can understand why Marvel the comic publishing company wants to publish her in a comic named Thor for sales purposes, but storywise again it made no sense. I would like for this different story Aaron wanted to tell, to just have better reasoning behind it I guess than none at all.
Make Thor actually have done something that would make him, or rather again Mjolnir, question his worthyness. If Mjolnir thought all the Gods were unworthy, why would it create another God by making a female Thor? For that matter what had the new Thor done to being worthy? If we're looking at the worst examples to base the worthyness of the entire group like was being done to the Gods, how in the Hell would humans be seen as more worthy? :D
I thought it was an ok journey overall, definitely helped by the great art. But I wouldn't put it at the upper half of Thor runs.
I think making Jane Thor makes sense seeing a mjolnir deemed the gods unworthy because of gorr’s ideology of there are no gods and if they do exist then they don’t care what happens to us because they let atrocities happen everywhere like what happened to his tribe and family, because while Thor does save the planet and the world all the time along with the avengers there are times when he might not be needed in a conflict because the other avengers would be enough to stop the threat so instead of doing that he could focus on answering the prayers of people that might actually need him and I think mjolnir making Jane foster Thor works in my opinion because she’s a human and deals with human problems just like the people Thor is supposed to be protecting no matter how small their prayer may be.
Been meaning to check out this run for quite a while now, will absolutely move it forward now. Exciting stuff
This story was one of the most epic Thor stories I have ever read. The feels and sense of emptiness and mystery is ridiculous.
Hello there Chris, and all the Comic Troopers!
I don't think I've ever read this - but I'm going to start reading now.
I really appreciate the explicit run-down of the issues and reading order. I'm sure a lot of people do.
Good video :)
Cheers Chris, and everybody out there :)
"LiL'JpD."
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Im reading thru the first issue, and it does not disappoint; the art, coloring, and atmosphere are all beautiful. The story has a natural and believable way with character voice and interaction :)
Marvel does seem to like having villains loose because they believe they should fail. Wasn’t that why Thanos originally faced I. The Infinity Gauntlet saga?
I own the entire Thor run by Jason Aaron (The Complete Collection Vol 1-5 & War of the Realms).
I smashed like! :)
Aaron is fine, but if you let him near She-Hulk again I'll shatter his hands.
Leaving aside the story you discuss here and the Jane Foster Thor coming after there's one thing I really, _really_ didn't like about this run and it's the way Thor becomes unworthy. I'm sorry, but it's outright stupid. Imagine if all it took for someone to become unworthy of something is to basically be told "Hey, you're not worthy". Then no one would every be worthy of anything. It would be different if during his adventures Thor started to lose his cool and realized upon introspection that he was doing more harm than good. Then at some point he'd realize he could no longer lift the hammer. You become unworthy by your actions, not because someone tells you to.
And marginally related to this, I also hate how the way they try to make Nick Fury be "smart" is by manipulating people with his words in unrealistic ways. Leaving aside the Thor example, something similar happened in Ultimatum, where he got Magneto to stop by telling him the truth about the origin of the mutants. Are we really expected to believe that such a powerful fanatic like Magneto was just going to believe him? Or, even if he believed him, he would stop? Of course not, it's ridiculous. Facts don't stop fanatics when you bring evidence, let alone if you have none.
This sort of unrealistic behavior takes me out of the story immediately. You cannot expect me to care about the drama if your characters don't behave like actual people, regardless of their power level.
My father wouldn’t agree with you
@@dspsblyuth Well, I guess your father is unworthy, then. There. I just made him unworthy, and therefore his opinion no longer matters.
@@Dreadjaws he died 2 years ago
@@dspsblyuth Well, you shouldn't have brought him up, then.
My (close) second favorite run on THOR after Walt Simonson classic 80's run.
I do agree with your critique that Thor has no motivation as a character under Aaron. But for dumb-action-driven comics, there is hardly any better than the first 2 arcs of Thor God of Thunder. Personally I lost interest after that, but the first two were perfection.
Great video, but I need to look up just what a god is in marvel, cuz I've never really thought about how they're different than a regular super person.
Gor is Job's revenge
This run sounds awesome I might pick it up
I much more prefer the origin story of the 1st blue lantern saint walker. Stop blame your problem on gods, invest in yourself and have faith, love not hate.
OH I have the Wolverine book behind you! I got it for Christmas from my uncle.
I remember issue 15 of this series creeping me out, cause there's a scene where a bunch of elves force feed a warrior until his belly is about to explode. Really gross and creepy.
So that's what that silly Thor film comes from Kiki Wattiti ?, complete disaster. For me .
Can you do F4 and Avengers/New Avengers by Hickman next?
Are you purposefully filming these shows out of focus? Is this some metaphor for the comics mattering more than the presenter?
I think Aaron's female Thor arc is my favourite Thor story since I started reading Thor (which is only about 10 years ago).
Thanks for the video!
Def my favourite Marvel run. Alongside Old Man Logan.
Only Thors I ever bought and read, cause all the rest made me feel like I was in the Hitler youth.
This is just my opinion, but I feel that Gorr was the main character in this story. He is the one that goes thru the most changes and as a sub conscious heel turn thru his imaginary son.
I was so happy with aarons run it was incredible from start to finish its actually one of the last comics i read before a fell away from comics and im glad it was one of the last
Thanks!
This is my first time seeing your channel - this is the most comprehensive and well done review of an arc I’ve ever seen. Well done.
man, this guy is so wholesome, amazing ❤️
This is among my favorite run of any comics. The story and the art are so freaking good.
Old king thor gave me the closure for my dad's death, he never tried for in real life
God, Marvel’s numbering is so stupid.
This was a great episode to get some insight into the stories behind the new film. As always, a great episode.
Jason Aaron's run on ghost Rider should be considered one of the best marvel stories
@@ungreatfulduck750 he's talking about Johnny blaze Ghost Rider not Avengers.
How do you get a job with an unsolicited proposal? I thought companies don’t want anything to do with unsolicited proposals from newbies or newcomers.
You can’t pitch for existing characters. They won’t even read it. But some places will read original ideas even if they haven’t solicited them.
Can u talk about Spider-Man by J Michael
Thor 4 should’ve been this
Thor 4 should've never been made. Much like Thor 3. Or 2.
I wonder if Gorr's son thing happened because his wife calling him a god triggered a subconscious "I became what I swore to destroy" kind of response
In my interpretation, Gorr is an allusion towards atheists who turn on religion and criticize it and its followers, using arguments about how much bad religion has brought to the world and how it raises generations of people with false values that are told to hate this or that, but do it out of vitriol and selfish reasons, not realizing they're just as much blind followers of their faith as those who believe in a man in the sky.
Never been a fan of Aaron … especially not his Wolverine and Conan
I didn't mind this run, but I didn't like anything surrounding it. I thought original sin was ridiculous and mean-spirited in tone, and seemed to almost be a thumb in the eye of long-term fans by introducing the fact that every single character has some unforgivable sin that they carry with them. it was fine when it existed, but for many They just added something retroactively. the only thing I enjoyed out of it was how they made the eye, a very weird original Ghost Rider villain, into something truly surreal.
lady Thor was more of a mixed bag for me. the first handful of issues were horribly written, full of things that honestly if you're curious just hit up Twitter or Google social media, anything anybody ever said negative about the comic could be based off of those and first handful of issues. past that, the problem I had was more that it touched a little close to home. I lost a loved one to cancer, and I didn't really have a desire to read a comic where when they aren't a superhero they are a bald woman with terminal cancer. I have heard good things though once the initial story arc was ended
and separate comment, but past that point I lost all interest in Thor. Which is a shame, I had been collecting it for many years, but the constant renumbering zand miniseries and everything else really ticked me off. It made it impossible to know what I was missing, it dragged everything out far more than it needed to be, it killed any interest I had because I had no idea what to read or in what order and I didn't feel like tracking down a reading list when they could have just happily stuck with the same numbering
This was such a great episode I loved Jason Aaron’s Thor run when I read it a year or two ago and after watching this I can’t wait to read it again!
I'm shocked it was a dark story and MCU makes it a funny movie with lame humor. I thought the movie was okay it was watered down version
All the jokes undermine the seriousness of the villian. You cant have a godslayer, tackle issues of religion, and also be a rom com. Its a complete mess. This was Gorrs only chance and they wasted him.
I just bought that same t-shirt! 😊
Gor sounds like a Job who runs out of patience.
I read this run recently. I absolutely adored how epic the whole thing is.
I love Ribic's artwork, it's too bad he rushes from time to time. Not his fault though. Unfortunately some of Aaron's Thor run is quite mediocre. I thought it was very lazy and insulting to have Jane wield Mjölnir. She could've at least gotten a new name. Great characters like Beta Ray Bill, Cpt America, Storm, Wonder Woman and Superman make sense of being worthy. They also didn't straight up take Thor's name. If anything Lady Sif should've become The Mighty Lady Sif!! She's been through a lot of crazy shit. What a missed opportunity.
I completely loved this book, but, like you, I agree that Simonson arguably has the best run of all time. I definitely hold Aaron up there with the likes of Jurgens (I love the beginning of that run so much) and J Straczynski...even some of Wein and Englehart's work.
Wow, I didn't know that Wein and Englehart worked on the book. I might check that out someday.
They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
I think I might finally check this out! Great video
Can you do Jason Aaron's punisher max ?
Every video you put up is an absolute treat :)
Great video!
Was it really all that new? Jurgens had just done a god killer story. He also had just had female Thor in quite a bit of his run. Really Arron just repackaged a bunch of Jurgens ideas.
Not really, God killers in marvel have came before Jurgens. Mangog, Gorgon, the uncreated and the god eater existed before that. Thor Girl was a separate character that nobody cared about and was preceded by a what if story.
@@bizzerdman2093 They bring up a question but never answer it. They brought up the issue of "if gods are good why dont the help us?" But never had thor answer it. It was turned into a generic good vs bad at the end ☹
@@kayag8 again not really, Fury (with the watcher's eye) confirmed that Gor was right. God's are not fully great benevolent beings, they are flawed and capable of cruel and uncaring acts (as shown with Odin, Cul and the Shi'ar Gods). Thor himself accepted that and thought of himself unworthy because of it, that was until proving to himself he can be a great God. It shows (like people) Gods can make bad and evil decisions but are capable of change (like Odin did at the end). Just because a character didn't say it doesn't mean it's not there. It's called show don't tell.
What does this have to do with your Jurgens complaint?
@@bizzerdman2093 Not really, Im talking about real life. Obviously marvel gods are bad but the story is about the REAL LIFE issue of God. You know if Jesus and god love you then why do the let kids get cancer? He used the real life probleam and came up with a bad fake story (In the end but the beggining was good).
@@kayag8 you shouldn't look to comic books for questions on faith and religion. Especially if the writer of the story is an atheist (which Jason Aaron is). At most the story is about how nobody is flawless (not even Gods) but people can better themselves and grow.
If you want something closer to real life read Captain America, X-Men, Hulk, Ms. Marvel and others. They tackle real life issues a lot more than Thor.
Dauterman's art is incredible!