Where did the Cabovers Go? - Big Questions About Big Rigs
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I always thought that cabovers would be ideal for transporting loads within city limits; while conventional tractors could handle interstate transport.
Climbing in and out 20 times a day is not fun.
In Europe we have only them because Road are small and max lenght regulated by law
I watched a documentary that said the original reason they were built for just that reason, I never heard this theory. I also heard that they were harder on fuel, because the wind was flat into the nose and created a lot of drag. My father was certified diesel mechanic, he always liked cab overs. He claimed the GMC Astro was one of the best trucks ever made. Tecnology of today has made anything of this era prehistoric, but I remember them and playing in the old cabs of ones in the graveyard where dad worked. It was everything from a truck, to a space ship to me,lol....
@@gillespriod5509 Most European city roads were laid down with the intent to accomodate horse and buggy. European nations are incredibly ancient. Cities much older than Canada, United States of America, and Mexico, were never designed for enormous, heavy, lorries and trailers. Thus, the cab-over lorries must be used. More skilled drivers are a must as well. Almost all North American roads were laid with consideration for automobiles, lorries, and motorcoaches. North American nations have articulated motorcoaches as well. That would never be seen in European nations because of their length. You must admit. It is extremely impressive for European truckies to navigate roads plans laid down 500 to 1000 years ago. If that does not require skill and a stead hand, I do not know what does?
@@tomgrimes5071 yeah but the extra 2 meters of load space is money
Very interesting. As someone from the Netherlands, a very small country with many narrow and winding roads in and outside the cities, it now makes total sense why you only see cabovers here. In 40 years I've only seen maybe a handful of longnose trucks outside of car shows. We don't even have separate words for them, Cabovers are "Trucks" and longnoses are "American Trucks". :-)
Also, Dutch truck drivers decorate their cabs with lace curtains. Nice touch not seen in America. Hup Holland!
I thought you called every big truck over there a "lori" or is that just a British thing?
@@MRSketch09 Very British. I had to look up what those damn lorries were they always went on about, I thought they were some kind of wheelbarrow.
Here in the Netherlands we call them "vrachtwagen" (vracht=freight, wagen=car/wagon) but we're just as likely to call them Trucks.
Cabover Optimus Prime will always be the true, one and only leader of the Autobots.
I don't know, some of the other primes have been good, Transformers Prime Optimus was good
And Starscream was a better leader than Galvatron (not Magatron thou). Galvatron was just a reformed Megatron with a broken brain, so to speak, Starscream was one crazy decepticon. My favorite decepticon...
AMEN! While I like the other designs too, the flat cab over design will always be my favorite and the original OPTIMUS PRIME!
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@@stephenbongard9419 r/ihadastroke
I learned from a Mechanic that it was hard to lift the whole cab to work on the engine. He said you pretty much needed a whole crew to open it up. Long nose trucks is easy, 1 man can lift the cowling no probs. But cabovers are pretty cool lookin, BJ and the bear come to my mind. Keep em on the road!
Cabovers are a pain to work on all around. Most of them have a hydraulic jack setup installed so one man can lift the cab by jacking it open.
@@bigdaddy7119 Thanks Big Daddy 71, im learnid now.
The Navastars had a jack like a car bottle jack that would raise it up.
All modern cab overs had hydraulic lift of their cabs.
it was also not advisable to leave an open soda or cup of coffee when the mechanic is checking it out. very messy.
Cabovers were great for driving off overpasses into concrete-lined rivers while chasing preteen kids on mopeds.
Haha not a moped. If I recall correctly, an XR80
@Glenn Thomason Terminator 2, Judgement Day.
Xr 80 with two stroke sound and a 20spd transmission
Ahhh, the good ole' days. We sure had it good back then.
@@georgebordi8986 lmaooooo 😂 yep you nailed it
My dad had one for a few years . I loved it because the engine cover was perfect for a large pizza! Thank goodness for truck drivers! ❣❣❣
Wait.. what?
Saw a cabover on my trip yesterday. Thought to myself "I've not seen one of those in a long time!" and "dang thats in pretty goog shape"
Really?! I've lived in Europe my whole life and have never seen a non cabover truck in my life.
Same here in Canada. Haven't seen one of those type trucks in years.
@@eannamcnamara9338 in the states I haven't seen one in a very very long time driving on the street.
Safety & increased length limit are what got rid of most of the cabovers in the USA since they didn't have good enough protection between the driver & whatever was coming at him in front. Those semis rode rough since the driver was right directly above the front axle which caused hurt back problems on the drivers & they were noisy inside the cab too since the motor was closer to the driver & the noise could hurt the driver's hearing after many years driving them making long hauls.
When I was a kid my great grandmother lived next to I-84 inBrewster NY. When my mother used to visit I’d sit in the yard and watch the trucks, mostly cabovers go by and wonder where they were headed. This is what kids did before iPads!
You and I had very similar childhoods.
Not mentioned is when the cab had to be tilted to work on the engine, everything not tied down went everywhere.
Once or twice and you made sure you had bungee cords
Easy to break a windshield if the stuff in the sleeper came through
THAT was the one big inconvenience!!! Other than that, I loved my cabover I bought.
had a tv crash thru the windshield when worked on in the shop I worked at.
@@timmyhipbird7543 That's why they always made us drivers jack up our own cabs in the shop.
I see cabovers being reconditioned and put back into service every day here in Kansas City
Lot of drugs in Kansas City too.
@Missouri Rebel oh wow because I very seldom see any on the roads here in the USA nowadays besides garbage trucks, fire trucks, & yard trucks which are also cabovers.
@@supporterofeverythingyouli6255 drugs are everywhere not just Kansas city.
@@lilcourtny08 I don't think you understood the "spirit" of the comment.
If the frame and motor are good, you will beat all the newer emission standards and most importantly, inefficiencies.
When I was starting out, the proportion of cabovers was about 50/50 in the area I worked in. One of the first old jalopies I was assigned to as a newbie was an old Hayes cabover doing short hauls. I swear to God, it was the roughest riding, most uncomfortable GD vehicle I've ever experienced and the other cabovers at our company - Freight Shakers, IHs and Kennys - were very little better.
Seeing so many of the old rigs at a show like in the video is really cool from a nostalgia point of view but there's no way in the high hell I'd ever drive those effin' things again! I do NOT miss them.
only North America uses long nose trucks the rest of the world uses cabovers. you cannot compare the cabovers that are built today with those old models that you have driven. cabovers rule the world, and thats a fact
@@bandeano3870 I drove Volvo, Scania, Renault, Steyr and Mercedes cabovers in Europe as late as 2001 and you're right; they were miles better than the old junk from my early days.
And on European roads, towns and cities, I actually prefer them but on North American roads, I still much prefer conventionals.
Better ride, better ingress/egress, look better (IMO), easier maintenance....
And it's not just NA that uses them; Australia uses plenty of them too.
@@hughjass1044 yes, long nose trucks are probably more pleasant to drive on very long journeys. And now that the noses of the newer trucks go down more, the view from the cab is much improved too. What I wonder is why some Americans including you call long nose truck conventional? I would rather think that cabovers are conventional, old-fashioned and conservative in style. Or does conventional have another meaning in America?
@@bandeano3870 I dunno; it's just what everyone knows them as. Perhaps because it has the "conventional" look similar to most other things on the road with an engine bonnet forward.
This is the reason why cabovers *REALLY* basically disappeared.
Beautiful trucks in this video. Brought back childhood memories of my dads 78’ K100 with the sleeper.
In Japan, they only have cabovers. In fact, I've never seen a traditional cab (non-cabover) in my life here. Of course the reason is obvious; a shorter turning radius. Japan's roads are narrow and fuel costs are also higher. Also, no need for huge sleepers as Japanese truckers don't sleep! lol
in Europe mainly cab-overs are used. It started when ze germans introcduced a law limiting the length of the trailer+truck. This law also prevents the use off very long trailer setups (truck trains - like in Australia) some companies are argueing that for long distance deliveries it would be better to allow such truck trains as it results in fewer trucks and less fuel consopmption, and leave the local delivery to small trucks. But there are also some conventional cab trucks here, they often need special permissions for delivery, as a result they are generally show stuff over here.
Seems like a smart decision but here in NY we don’t really use them either. I don’t know why?
No sleep 🤣
Was station in Yokosuka in the Navy and know what your talking about 👍
@@GriderTornado Ze Germans lol
i'm a retired diesel mechanic & the cab overs were the best to work on. engines & trans were easier to pull, replacing a clutch was usually a 4 hr job & that was cruising!
I would think maintenance is better on a COV then a COE
@@79tazman Larger jobs like pulling an engine / transmission or deep engine service would be easier on a cab-over due to the cab tilting, giving you more access to the drivetrain.
@@79tazman I suspect that for the small maintenance items that a driver handles a tilt-hood conventional would be easier, but for major work that justifies the time and hassle to tilt the whole cab, the cabover is easier as Bill_Clinton69 explained. Different situations, different preferences.
I didn't even know the term cabover until now, it's just a truck to me and the other kind is an 'American truck' 'Big rig' or '18 Wheeler' if you see a American truck here in England it turns heads, it's like a rolls royce or a tank going down the street, everyone turns and looks
Edit: nice to know the actual terminology though, interesting.
Ik right. I haven't seen a non cabover for the 16 years I've been alive. I really want to see one.
@@eannamcnamara9338 It's the opposite here in Canada. I haven't seen a cabover in several years.
@@eannamcnamara9338 past four times i’ve driven on i95 i’ve seen a cab over, all beautiful trucks
You are too young to understand and different generation
They are known as conventionals, there are good reasons cabovers have been phased out since deregulation took the length limits back.
The discomfort factor and long hours away from family was likely the reason my dad wanted very badly to make sure I never got in the seat. Yet after several career changes, Covid and losing my massage business to the big scare, I now sit driving a class B with no regrets about my path in life. I look forward to longer days and longer hauls but I do remember the cramped cab over style. You are practically sitting next to the engine, the old school ones were like riding a red wagon with no shocks, no air ride seat and your spine took a beating! Dad would be amazed to see how much they have improved the industry overall. Love your channel, newly subbed, keep em coming! Thanks!!
That class B was kind of a waste. You don’t really need a CDL to drive a box truck.
Stop the covid lunacy!
Back in the 90s when I drove a cab over we had a saying. If you had a wreck the driver got there before the truck
James McCutchan here here! I drove them pumpkin trucks for that company in Green Bay in the first six months of my truck driving career in 1993. Got the hell away from there and got hired by a company out of West Liberty, IA (at the time) called Florilli that had Peterbuilt 377s. Never went back to a cabover and watched as they disappeared from the roads.
@@banjopickerinadoublewide7613 so what you're saying is you'd rather a massive killing box infront of you to crush anything in front - rather that the irresponsible truck driver getting killed and 1 less fuckwit off the road
That's very true
Danny Boyd you definitely haven’t a clue
James McCutchan I was going to say the same cos I feel the bonneted chassis are mo safer and look more rugged and tough.
They have a timeless look.
Yeah they look like timeless shit to me
About as timeless as a graveyard.....booo
So does a TURD !
@@oldschoollgearjammerlongmi5209
They looked a heck of a lot better than these
MODERN DAY COMPUTERIZED ANT EATER PIECES OF CRAP 💩 OF TODAY DO.
My old man bought a '63 Emeryville cabover once. He rebuilt it completely, from the ground up, and put a hoss of an engine in it. When he'd go across West Texas, through the desert
Southwest, and into California, impressed drivers would come on the radio and ask what kind of power plant he had in that little thing. He called it his little 'Coup D'eville'!
Well explained. I think the cabover would be great for local, short hauls in metro areas where sleeper cabs aren't needed and manuverability is better ... but despite that you just don't see them.
I agree with you. I think this is why I see many old cabovers being owned and used farmers in Michigan-Ohio-Indiana : they are occasional use trucks with good maneuverability and low price.
In the u.s. new cabovers are intended for and almost exclusively in city's and suburbs where the long haul trucks either can't go or will have a hard time getting around, there are a few imported european trucks that have been brought into compliance and are in use but i haven't seen any in person.
It is remarkable that we European truckers are still alive after driving our cabovers for all these years. Amazing even.
Try driving it from coast to coast over garbage American roads. I drove cabovers in the army, and while they are much more maneuverable, I don't like bouncing against my seatbelt every day.
@@JohnSmith-wx9wj I believe that old american and new european cabovers are built massively differently, so direct comparison is not too easy. That being said, also the road infrastructure and traffic cultures differ a lot from one country to another. Also, an american long haul trip is often much longer trip than what european truckers do.
I gotta say that I definitely get why american truckers seem to love the insane long wheelbases for the long haul trips, but oh barn those also seem to have an awful maneuvrability.
I think most of the people do forget that american driving across one state is pretty much equivalent of an european driving across their entire country. And I also think it really is remarkable how well truckers stay alive in flat nose trucks, even in accidents.
Have safe journeys on the road out there, people! Remember to sleep well and wear seatbealt!
You made me laugh. I figure if drivers of cabovers drive into something and die . . . maybe they should not be truck drivers.
@@JohnSmith-wx9wj Probably a valid point but my motorhome has me sitting over the front wheel and it's comfortable. But I've only driven it on California and Oregon roads. There are always pros & cons to every vehicle, aircraft, tool, machine, etc.
@@thoubias I average about 650 miles (1046 km ) per day, my average trip, (load) is about 1400 miles (2253 km) I go out on the road on average about 6 weeks. Like I mentioned before I drove a cabover for a lot of years back in the 90's and it's a world of difference than driving a conventional when it comes to comfort both in ride and living conditions! I really don't think there's any difference in maneuverability I can park my conventional in all the same places I ever parked a cabover.
I drive cabovers in the UK and as a result I am killed every couple of weeks.
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Brilliant 🤗
You must have a funeral subscription.
I too drive cabovers in the UK but I've only died twice 🤗
There's nothing more to say after that!😂
I used to drive a Mack day cab cabover. It had previously been a UPS truck. I loved it. It had a pneumatic clutch, it was the smoothest operating clutch I've ever encountered.
So pleased to see this video pop up, not too long ago it dawned on me that we don't see cabovers anymore and was curious to know why
With a cabover you sit over the front wheels. Every time you hit a bump or dip in the road you feel it twice as much as in a conventional cab. With a conventional cab you sit between the front and rear wheels therefor the bump is felt less.
I drove 10 and 18 wheel trucks for over 35yrs (now retired).. cabovers can beat the hell out you on a less than perfect road surface.
My first rig was a frieghtliner cabover had a million miles I paid $6,000 cash it paid for itself at least 10 times over I miss that old truck
Company has a couple of modern cabovers with fairly long wheelbases and I have to say they're excellent to drive. The only real safety concern is that if there's ice on the steps, you have a long way to fall, having done so a couple of times.
The lack of a long hood to absorb impact is a factor, but not that big of one. One of our cabovers t-boned a trailer that jumped the median ditch and the frame rail for the trailer is below the feet of the driver. Still had injuries ofc but the driver seat and cab was more or less intact
My father was driving a white GMC Astro 95 on the 401E, Kingston ON. Thanks the total lack of protection of a cabover, when the truck hit an overpass pier, he was killed on impact, dec 10th 1982. He was 43 yo, I was 10 yo. miss you so much still... R.I.P. Gilles Charron
How did he happen to hit an overpass pier?
I was told there was black ice on the highway. In addition, his trailer was almost empty. He struck the corner of the pier (pier : concrete wall on either side of the freeway supporting the overpass.; not sure if it's the right term, i speak french) almost in front of him. his skull was fractured in several places (there was an 8 inch fracture on the top the head) his head struck the windshield on impact. If he had had an ordinary truck (with the engine in front of him) he would had survived, with serious injuries but he would had survive.
@@jec0007 I'm sorry to hear that. I drove out of Chicago in '72-'73 and one of my first trips was down to Louisville with freezing rain between Gary and Indianapolis. So dangerous to drive big rigs.
Maybe the problem was his driving.
@Bill the Welding Sloth
Very well put.
It took nearly every fiber of my being not to reply to 'S H' (***t Head maybe?)
I couldn't have been nearly half as reserved as you were - I'd be banned from all social media if I responded to these people like they truly deserve.
My father drove a 1952 Ford COE wrecker, and would take me along on runs sometimes. At 5 years old, talk about tall in the saddle! And what a view!
A cabover Pete with a reefer on an a Jimmy haulin hogs.
Martin penWALD
@Robbert James C. W. McCall
Mercy sakes alive.
Put the microbus in behind that suicide jockey. Yeah, he's haulin' dynamite; he needs all the help he can get.
Same Here!
Nothing like watching an old movie and these awesome trucks smashing through a road block
In 1991 I used to drive an 88 international cabover, over the road. I wanted to know why they quit using them?
Thank you for this episode!
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Grew up back in the day riding with my dad in International Emeryville's and Transtar's. Always loved looking out the windshield of a cabover vs a conventional cab. Thanks for sharing!
It’s a special feeling you get when you climb that ladder.
Hdrk And another special feeling when you grab it to get out and find it covered in ice. Ah, the good ol’ days. CO4070A with Malcomb McClean double diamonds.
And glad for the International, ‘cause it wasn’t a cracker box jimmy.
I started in a cab over
Feeling in your hips, back, legs
Climb the ladder into a cab with a 23 channel Robyn AM CB radio, AM/FM Sparkomatic quadraphonic radio with 8-track deck, 600 watt Galaxy 600 liner amplifier, Radio Shack 300 watt Power inverter, 12 volt Black and white 10 inch Emerson television, camp stove, TV dinners, apartment refrigerator, no air conditioning so two fans blowing, a chain dragging from the back axle, a sleeper as comfortable as a jail cell, 12 license plates from different states on the front, four more license plates from different states on the back, CB callsign painted in the side of the door, "KBX1339," with the handle, "The Grinder," painted under it, two huge mirrors sticking out of the sides with two six foot Francis antennas, two spotlights on the mirrors, two huge flood lights on the bumper, bull bars in the front, 12 speed manual gearbox with three reverse gears, Road Noise echo mic for the CB radio, John Denver playing on the radio, and the truck crawling up the side of the mountain at 12 miles per hour. Those were the days!
I did OTR for a couple years. Whenever I got to see a cabover I got so freakin excited. Even got to sit in a few of them and take pics. These trucks need to be saved and restored. That’s truckin history!
I still have my 1990 e7 powered mack cabover even though I have not driven full time for 15 years. Only truck I have ever owned. Now it is used for the occasional job for an entertainment company that uses a repurposed 45 foot refer to haul their sound and lighting equipment for a festival every year. And I pull a modified 5th wheel travel trailer with it the rest of the time.
I had a 94 Freightliner 3-axle cabover. Detroit 11-1 power nine speed Eaton transmission from 1998 to 2009. Hauling Intermodal Freight. Although I drive a 2022 day cab Cascadia Freightliner automatic these days. That old cabover will never be forgotten. What a Workhorse wish I still had it
i remember fixing a ford coe the latch broke. guy hit the brakes hard cab flipped. said he was looking sraight down at the asphault. brown short moment.
@Gus VanHorn That must have been harrowing to experience.
Not just the latch had to break. The safety catch hook had to have been malfunctioning as well.
Ouch!!!😯
Should be two latches.
I remember when most big companies had day cab singke axle cab overs. I always thought they would flip forwards when hitting the brakes when running bobtail
Very informative video, this; it answered a lot of the questions I myself had asked over the years, having remembered cabovers being the majority rule where rigs were concerned, only to suddenly see that they vanished. A few of the answers confirmed my own guesses, while others gave me information I didn't know.
I know of another disadvantage of cabovers not mentioned in the video, which had to have been a contributor to their near-disappearance from the States. A trucker is always going to be carrying personal goods with him or her in the truck, especially on long hauls. Should the truck suffer a breakdown, which happens more often than most would admit, what is the first thing one would do? Open the hood, see what is up with the engine. Well, with a cabover, the entire cab, to include the sleeper portion, IS the hood. That means that, before the driver can think of opening the hood, they'd have to remove or otherwise secure their personal goods (which would very probably also include foodstuffs) first and foremost. That I am sure would prove very drudgerous, but necessary lest all their goods, food, etc. end up all over the dash and windshield. Obviously, a regular nosy truck will not have that issue. Advantage, conventionals.
There is something also about the vision aspect of cabovers. Yes, in theory, they should provide better view and thus better ability for the driver to respond to sudden emergencies...IN THEORY. In the real world, a driver would have to be extremely disciplined by his or her training to actually take advantage of the vision. Although I'm sure that big-rig training must concentrate on the safety aspect, there are some who will doze off through that block of instruction. The natural plane of sight is eye-level, meaning that one will normally look straight ahead, left, or right at the natural level of the eyes; without disciplinary habits ingrained into their minds, nobody will think about adjusting their eye levels downward to see what may be BELOW them. This is the biggest problem with the SUV craze, and why so many are involved in crashes and collisions: Your average SUV driver is simply not trained properly to see BELOW their vehicle which is twice as high as a car. When one factors in a truck that is at least three, sometimes more, times as high as a car, that risk will multiply. Of course, such a problem extends to conventional trucks as well, it's not a problem exclusive to cabovers...but it is a problem that is very prevalent and thus nullifies any publicly-proclaimed advantages in field of vision with the cabover configuration. In the end, it's more the driver than the vehicle that is responsible for a safe trip.
So, why are they so popular in Europe? I would surmise that, first, they don't have nearly so long to travel unless they're traveling internationally. No European country is as large as the United States, and most commercial activity would be kept in-country, so there should be little need for drivers in a European country, say Germany for instance, to carry a lot of personal goods with them. Second, European countries have much more restrictive vehicle rules than the States do, many of which are reminiscent of the old days referred to in the video. Third, because the countries are smaller, that means the non-autobahn roads are also smaller, and city streets practically require extreme maneuverability, never mind the vehicle regulations in place. Having been in Germany for three years, this is what I have deduced. I have also noticed and can therefore confirm that conventional-nose trucks are virtually nonexistent in Europe, unless they happen to be U.S.-military rigs.
All that said, I occasionally take notice of cabovers on American roads, especially in the Kansas area. Virtually all of them are clearly older, back from "The Day," but they are still out there and still in use by those who still love them, either from past experience or just for the novelty aspect. They are just so rare that seeing even one is a novelty, like seeing a 1960s Lincoln on the roads today.
Thanks for being concise
do you know if russia has cabovers? that country is wee bit larger than all of europe. i don't know about you, but i love the cabovers, i could see very well, hardly any blind spots, it didn't seem a rough ride to me, i actually preferred them over the long nose submarine of the conventionals, i could drive better in the cabovers. i guess it's just personal preference. thanks for the insight and thanks for your front line hard work. peace brother.
@@joepass1883 I had to read that book in phases.
As a retired truck driver who started out driving cabovers, my opinion is that conventionals and automatic transmissions is just a way to deball the trucking industry.
Drove a lot of years, both conventional and cab over. I loved the cab overs! They were great for a lot of reasons and they have a great sleeper. Well, they all have wonderful sleepers. They're almost nice rooms now days. Keep on truckers! Not sure I'm ready to see driverless trucks on the road!
I'm still running 3 Cabover KW's (1976 and 1985) in my Fleet of 38 Vintage 1986 Pete 359's
i would think you must live in a third world country where i come from you can not run a fleet of vintage trucks they would have to be tier 4 engines
The original Optimus Prime was a cab over. 😁
He sure was. And he was cool !
Gobots movie now
True
So was Huffer. Remember him?
Optimus looked sooo much better as a Peterbilt 379 though... the return to a cab-over appearance totally sucked in last movie. :-(
I drove one in 95, and the company I worked for paid an extra 2 cents a mile for driving a cab over because nobody wanted to.
I liked the extra money, and they had to drag me out of that cab over into a nice long nose Pete when they phased them out of the fleet.
I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s and Loved the Cab Over Design and they were everywhere!!!
Still hauling in my cabover, every state except that one on the west coast.
I wonder what state that is? Ha ha ha ha!
Are they illegal there? Since its one of the biggest markets in the country, doesn't this limit the amount of jobs & income you make?
Soon that state will be it's on Banana Republic
Alaska?
@@lenjames you mean its not already?
Seeing them return to the road in and around the oil fields. South and west texas.
Kickass, great information! Used to love those cab overs, My dad had a few of them in the mid 70's, A White and a couple Kenworth's. You could see everything, had to remember to empty that cab though when you wanted to work on them, change cups all kinds of shit would go all over the place. Never really realized why they disappeared, thanks.
I bet back in the day when cabovers were common, I lot of the drivers would forget to take their loose stuff outta the cabs before having their semis worked on by the mechanics at the shops. Lol
Some of the old truck drivers I spoke to said they always hated those things. Maintenance was a major pain, uncomfortable rides, and safety was a major issue to many of them.
Back in the day I owned a '82 Cornbinder 9670 with a 300 big cam with a ten speed pulling flat beds...did the job just fine!
Here in Australia COE are used for hauling long configerations like :- Road trains , Double and triple trailers , B doubles and triples. ALso in New Zealand COE's are used due to running in hilly and twisty areas.
Love the twin steer K200. See lots of them in NZ.
We run two 48 foot log trailers on a conventional tractor unit here in Maine up in the woods. Where I'm from we don't only have to worry about Farmer John's cows getting loose but Whitetail Deer, Black Bear and Moose. If you hit a full grown moose you'd be grateful to have that long nose out in front of you. A full grown bull moose will be between 1000 to 1500 pounds (roughly 450 to 680kg) easy.
We have only COEs here in Europe.
Truckers Can't do the Triple Trailers here in the States, Ohio I Think? Is at Least One State that Can Use Triple Trailers, or Not?
Here in California Triple Trailers are Banned, & if a Trucker Entering California with a Triple Trailer, you'll get a Quick Response by the CHP (California Highway Patrol) & you Wouldn't Like the Response from the CHP.
Even in North America COE tractors are common for moving vans, which need to fit maximum volume in a length compatible with non-commercial urban destinations. Some even carry a "dromedary box" of cargo on the tractor.
I had an American friend come over a couple of years ago. She was amazed to see Cab overs here in the UK. It took her a while to grasp the concept. (She drove trucks in the USA)
Starting in 1973, I drove long-haul for REA out of Chicago. The tractors were all cabovers. There were White Freightliners, GMCs, Fords and Mack Maxidynes. I hauled both 40-footers and twin 27-footers (we called them double bottoms). I've never driven a conventional tractor, but those cabovers were very maneuverable, both in traffic and (especially) backing into a dock between two other already docked semis. And since the seat of my pants was 15 feet off the ground, I had a birds-eye view of the traffic. The ride was definitely rough, and it eventually took a toll on my back. But still, if I had my druthers today, I'd choose a cabover.
As a kid we read a few"Overdrive" magazines from that Era. Cool rigs for sure. 😎
My 98fl112 will turn circles inside my 83 KW cabover. Don't know where all of this manueverablity stuff comes from.
I drove cabover for years, and flat floor cabovers came into place in the 90s. So much easier to maneuver, and the ride wasn't nearly as bad as it's made out.
I drove cab overs in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Don't miss them a bit!
Worst truck ever made. .Hot noisy and bumpy.. Nightmare driving long haul.
The only cabover I drove was a freakin rattle-trap. Damn thing was in really terrible shape. Even had the brakes go out on me once. Glad I didn't have to drive that for very long.
Also cabovers didn't have good enough protection between the driver & whatever was coming at him.
Modern Euro cabovers have suspended cabs + suspended seats.
We hardly ever see US style longnose (torpedo front) trucks on European roads. 99,9% are cabovers.
@@garydaltonolecountrymusic2711 not anymore the fh40 is smooth comfortable and well cool
I got to drive one of these in a circle on a huge gravel lot when I was 5. I'll never forget that memory.
Thank you for this video. Having to drive my auto on a 45 minute commute (one way) each day, I wondered where the cab-over tractors have gone. This answered my question.
The cab over gave a whole new meaning to being the first one on scene.
You mean first on scene of the accident. Bird's eye view as you fly out of the windshield.
@@wesbarcus3761 only if you are not wearing a seatbelt
@@sepg5084 ever drive one? Even at 45 mph there is nothing, no motor, no frame rails between you and impact is a thin vertical sheet of fiberglass and part of a radiator. If you are driving, steering wheel, and windshield. Not saying they don't have a place in the industry, they do. Just that I almost lost my life when co driver drove off the road. Ended my driving career and left me permanently disabled
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@@scrappy93 cabovers are great tools for city work where conditions get tight. But over the road, not very comfy. When it comes to being first to the wreck, that's true. I almost died because a co driver drove off the road into a ditch. Ended my driving career.
In the late 80's, my dad drove a cab over. As a kid I remember my favorite spot to sit down on a cold drive was in the center in front of the sleeper over the engine. No seat belt of course because it was the 80s'
Great Video. In my early teens I was quite the enthusiast, was going to be a trucker. A bright shiny COE was going to take me across the country, take me everywhere.
A 70s model International TranStar was what my dad drove when I was a young boy.
He went on to drive many different trucks over the decades to come and is still driving today. But that TranStar will always be special to me.
Roll on 👍🏻
Its like climbing a grain bin getting in and out of them. Especially in the winter when the steps get covered in ice. Plus the high driver seating position makes them especially dangerous in a rollover. God forbid you have anything loose in the cab if you have to tilt the cab for maintenance. That alone makes them useless for OTR. You'd have to empty the fridge and secure everything not fastened down just do anything other than check the oil
Idk where you'd put a fridge in a cab over.
I thought the Aerodyne had one but I could be wrong. Ive never had a truck without a fridge. They didn't always work though. Lol
Remember the show “BJ and the Bear”? Loved that truck.
Those old enouugh to remember the 1958 TV series Cannonball will see the GMC 950 COE. Would not want to take that for a long ride.
And best of all I don't pay property tax!
Not realistic, the idea of driving irregular route OTR truck with a shitting ape in the truck with me, was one of the stupidest things I could imagine. I used to watch the show so I could laugh at it.
Used to love that show.
One of the trucks pictured is a BJ and the bear look alike
I love cabovers, That's pretty much all i drove for 25 years and wouldn't hesitate to jump in one now.
They are brand new most of the world , especially Europe
Not me I'm also a experienced driver
But it's the drivers decisions .
You drive your truck I will drive mine
L.O.L how many times you heard that?
Very interesting. We spent a week touring Ireland in 2016 and I noticed one conventional long nose Kenworth and everything else was cab overs. A few had sleepers but they looked more like dog boxes than a full-size sleeper. The most out of place thing we saw that week was a yellow diesel Dodge power wagon on a sheep farm.
You're partially correct on some of the reasons they have dissapeared. I've owned and driven 2 of them. They're easier to work on, get in and out of some impossibly tight places.
Driver workman comp cases, lawsuits, and disability cases led to their demise. Driving through snow, sleet, and freezing rain will put you on the ground when you stop.
I don't know man.... Everytime my dad would take me on the road in a cabover I remember it felt like being a marble tossed around inside a box when you shake it. Whenever he drove a long nose it was a 100% more comfortable ride regardless of the make. It makes sense from an engineering standpoint if you look at how a cabover absorbs road shock vs. a long nose.
I saw a new Scania cabover 2 years ago. It was a really good looking rig and the first I’d ever seen one in person. Didn’t know they sold them in the US. I’d most certainly like to see cabovers return to the US market. I’m sure with modern engineering and safety the ride quality would be ok.
Scania has been testing their trucks in the US for a while now, Scania is a part of the VW group which also owns abit of Navistar international, and together they are pushing to enter the US market in the future. Funny thing is that in Europe 99% of the trucks are flatnoses becouse of the length limits and narrow city streets but the European union are now looking to change the laws around maximum length to enable US style tractor to make a comeback.
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Lessor protection 😂 yeah that's why they had the nickname of
"coffin" on wheels.
It took me a bit getting used to that long nose sticking out front when the company I drove for switched to conventional rigs
6 inches between you and light pole or end of trailer. Nissan UD straight where nice BUT
I loved my long wheelbase C.O.. all air ride suspension, cab and seat. Plus my dog had a good view also..
BJ McKay and his best friend Bear.... That's what I think about when I see these old cabovers.
I remember that red and white paint job and them Dallas Cowgirls Cheerleaders. My focus was equally divided between the truck, the chimp, and the girls.
But I'm an OG Optimus Prime Transformer fan, deep down. The Japanese actually called him Convoy.
Or Carroll Jo Hummer in the Blue Mule, in "White Line Fever."
@@joeday4293 Same here!
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The cab overs can still be beneficial here in the states. Since there are still limited space places that we truckers deliver to.
In-City driving is one of them.
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Back in the 80s and 90s as a diesel mechanic I love working on the cabovers easy to work on you had that air system risers and the hand pumps to get the cabover easy to get to all the engine components I mostly worked on the mack Ultra liners for Ryder truck system
Drove a White Freightliner for a few years and really enjoyed it. The view from the driver seat was amazing and there was no problem getting in or out of the sleeper.
I have a very fond memory of a cab over.
When I was a kid my neighbor who was a very good family friend. Let me go for a haul from Milwaukee area to St Louis in his Freightliner cab over.
I still remember alot of that trip.
RIP Joe miss ya my friend.
They were fun to ride in when you were a kid, felt like being on top of the world!
It was around 1980. I don't know what Route we took.
I doubt it was Rt 66 though.
@catmodelt Joe the neighbor was only one of a few independents that drove for Quad Graphics, at that time.
I remember we stayed at a truck stop in Illinois looking at the arch.
During the night got a knock on the door. Joe answered the door to hear a woman say " I'm bored".
Joe said " I can't help you with that.
Closed the door and said something about a lot lizard. Lol.
Unloaded not far after crossing the bridge into St Louis.
In Australia we still use cabover Kenworth K200 it's the best selling truck in Australia. King of the Highway
Would love to move there and get to drive them.
K200 aint the biggest seller here.
Maybe KWs biggest seller.
Volvo FH out sells them.
@@audoinxr6372 oh ok
@@audoinxr6372 Because it's a more comfortable, safer , more reliable option.
Have you made Hauls from Sidney, Or Melbourne, or Other Western Sissie Cities to Perth, or the Other Way Around?
I have a lot of fond memories of driving the "Buster Brown" cabovers in the late '80's, early '90's. No sleeper, no power steering, 5 speed wet clutch pulling empty doubles out there on the super slab covered in black ice at night. Maximum pucker factor.
My first tractor trailer I drove was a USAF GMC cabover. It had fifteen speeds, un-synchronized transmission. That was back in the mid Eighties. First trip was from Norton AFB, Ca to McClellan AFB, CA.
When I worked for a moving Company these were great for residential areas and city apartments.
Once when bob-tailing in a single drive axle daycab I hit the brakes too hard. Left a dotted line skid-mark on the road. We also had a 61 peterbuilt cabover with the exhaust towards the ground, my boss used it as a punishment truck...it worked too. You learned to time the lights
BJ and the Bear! @ 4:30 gave me a flashback to what I watched on TV when I was a kid in the 1970's.
Thanks for informing me. I always wondered where the "forward control" COE went, having seen fewer and fewer of them on the I roads and elsewhere. I do see some though as heavy duty tow trucks and as smaller applications like garbage trucks. They are clearly not any longer for long distance use.
I see cabovers occasionally and love to see them as a trucker myself.
At Schneider we had a female driver that was the best I have ever seen. Another driver couldn't get a set of doubles in a building. The female driver dropped her trailer and backed the doubles in like nobody's business.
Used to deliver to a few places in Philly that were built long before the 53' trailer came into existence. Used to make decent money on the side backing trailers in for conventional drivers in my old 9670.
I drove for over 25 years and out of all of the trucks i drove my favorite was my Kenworth K 100 that looked just like the one off of BJ and the bear. Loved everything about the truck including the ride. It had the KW air ride suspension on it and it helped that the wheelbase was three feet longer than most cabovers of the time. Of course at the time i was driving this truck i was a young man so climbing into the bunk didn't bother me at all. If i had any complaint at all about the time i spent in it is maybe that my feet tended to get a bit cooler in really cold temeratures than i would have liked them to get but hey you can't have everything.
My late great-Uncle Bill Underwood drove a white Peterbilt cab-over from Florida to New York and back, taking oranges up, and clam chowder back. Passed away in the late 80's from cancer and I never got to meet him, but seen plenty of pictures of him and his rig.
Just come across this video a day after seeing my first cabover in years. The cabover looked refurbished like new and was hauling a connex on I-390 in NYS.
I’ve got 2 of the 96 k100e and a 1981 Pete 362 both Cummins powered I wouldn’t trade them for six new areo trucks my k100 gets around 7 mpg with a smile on my face and everyone who see’s me rolling down the road
I like the way they look, bad ass...., but aero dynamically they are a dead end, huge amounts of drag. Sitting directly over that front axle, has to give a rougher ride too.
I have 2 and looking for more
Go to Europe. All cab overs. Nice rides and powerful.
LMFAO ok.
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Exactly. Europe has much more rigid length rules. I saw a video clip of a Russian trucker colliding with some one and the driver came flying out of the truck right behind the winshield. He landed on his feet and ran down the road.
@@hardrockminer-50 That's Russia not Europe :D ;-)
But not safety
I recently returned from two years in South Africa, where I traveled much of the country, and never saw a conventional tractor. All cabovers.
Im not a trucker but I've wondered about this for years. Thanks! Great video.
were did they go?? Mexico,, all over the border of Texas you will see them especially Laredo,,, they use them in Mexico's mountains and farms,, they love the GMC Astro, the international,, Freightliner,, and Kenworth!! in Laredo I saw some Chevy bisons,, they were not cab overs ,, but looked nice!!
Chevy titan/90 possibly the rarest class 8 truck ever!!
@@jeepguy220: And the GMC Astro with the six-ton clutch. . . . .
I remember first time I took a load to Laredo back in about 2003. I dropped and reloaded there and as I was leaving town I took a wrong exit and all the sudden I looked around and my 280 inch wheelbase flat top pete was surrounded by cab overs. Behind me in front of me beside me. I said to my self where the hell did all these cab overs come from. A min later I looked up and just as I thought I was on wrong road. The boarder was ahead of me. When I got to the Mexican guard I said hey man I took a wrong exit I need to turn around. He said you dont want to go to mehico I said no I dont I want to go to Birmingham Alabama. He laughed and said ok. With that he shut the whole road down so I could do a flip and head back. That's a wrong turn I will never forget both due to the interaction with the cool boarder guard and being surrounded by cab overs.
There's also an absolute shit-ton of them bouncing around the Middle East...
I was just in Laredo last summer when I use to work for CR England
"I yer rig don't shine, you don't know Jack!" 😂😂😂 Great slogan!!!
Thanks for the video - had been wondering about this.
Love this channel. I have fond memories of those beautiful cabovers maneuvering around in Chicago.
While I love me a Pete needle nose, Cab-overs are badass and have a presence that demands respect.
Grant Danze I was a kid in the 70s and a cousin of mine who loved trucks(so did I) used the term needle nose! I realized in the trucking industry, that term probably got thrown around a lot, but not so much in mainstream conversation. Thanks for taking me back and confirming the nickname for those long front end Peterbilts.
@@graysinclair6572 Glad to hear! Keep on trucking my friend.
Gotta love the look of a badass Needle Nose.
I think so too!? They are unique.
Funny, I always thought the "conventionals" were more badass, looking like they mean Business. Maybe that's just me being European and used to see nothing but cabovers.
I started driving a truck in 1996 with CRST after school they gave me a brand new International flat floor cabover.
That was enjoyable and fun. Thank you!
Thanks! miss seeing those on the road. I'm 60 so as a kid plenty of 1940s and 50s rigs were still in use. Forgot some of those styles till seeing your video.
My gramps drove a route from el cajon , ca. over the mountains into the desert and back on the old hwy 80 in the 1920s. Pre power steering. Even in his 70s he was a bit ripped still from years of that.
In Sweden 99% of all heavy trucks are COEs - made in Sweden by VOLVO and SCANIA, of course.
About that... What's up with Swedes' obsession of 750+ HP trucks? Volvo has a 750 and Scania has a 770. What do you guys haul? Volvo in US tops out at 500 with its D13. D16 isn't offered here. For more power Cummins is the other option.
@@Love2Cruise In fact whatever heavier than average. Timber, Tankers, Construction machines….The point is that Europe is very hilly and highway usually have only two lines /It is traffic rule that trucks may not overtake in two line highways/ therefore truck must keep tempo about 56 MPH with passenger cars in right line no matter the trailered load has over 40 tons. In the left fast lane you must go at least 87 MPH to be safe or some fuel feet bombs your trunk….so the slower go in right line with trucks about 56 MPH. That’s why giant engine torque in lowest revs is needed in the heaviest trucks.
@@Love2Cruise 750 bhp? Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
@@Love2Cruise Look at a topographic map of Scandinavia and it will become apparent. "Kristo Boginski" here on UA-cam has some nice footage to look at.
@@Love2Cruise Up to 76 or 104 tons of maximum total weight. Cab over because total length of truck and trailer is regulated. One example from northern Finland ua-cam.com/video/NrASEeaOmDI/v-deo.html
As a Yankee I had the pleasure of driving a cabover for a few years! 2007-2010
Born in Gary, raised in Lake Station, got tears going on here!
Always had this question. Thanks for the info