I retired from the Kenworth company after building these rigs for many, many years. The plant I worked at, in Seattle, built what they called "high content" highway trucks. All the heavy duty rigs that were big but not like the off-highway rigs we built for the oil industry. 6 by 6's, tridem rear axles, double frames, extra long frames, dual steer front axles, etc. There was a time in the late 90's, early 2000's that we ran Kenworths and Peterbuilts down the same production line. What a logistical nightmare. ALL parts had to be kept separate and used only on the brand they were called out for right down to every nut, bolt, washer, air fitting, zip tie. . .
Difference between a travel truck and a work truck when it boils down to it my rig is built for long hauls on highways with a sleeper but its not to be worked like the boom truck gagne uses to delivery n off load my blocks n bricks for my projects to get done or my buddies dump truck used to carry hottop then cement trucks all built for Different jobs .
I bet that was a really cool job. I would've loved to be able too work there. Thanks you Sir, for putting them out so the Country could keep on going.👍🇺🇸
@@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488 Yeah. I guess that is something about that job that will never be forgotten. Didn't know him, really. Just well enough to say "hey" when we passed each other in the aisleways. He was a painter, I wasn't.
I don't envy you. I used to do erosion control and Express Blower and Finn would get a bare tractor and frame (Western Star we mostly used) then have to mount the box or tank, the offboard motor, plumb the mess of hydraulics and rats nest of wiring. The in house diesel tech probably had it the worst though..
I've had the pleasure of driving both brands, and enjoyed both! My Kenworth was an "anteater" and had a 400 Cat with a 18 speed. My Pete was the long nose, 379,and had a 440 Cat with a 18 speed. Miss both!
@@cahg3871 I’ve driven some that we’re and some that were also gutless as hell. Depends on how you specd your powertrain. 375 HP Cummins with an 8 speed - boat anchor. 500-600 with an 18 speed I might not care if it was a Cummins or a Caterpillar. Trucks are purpose built for what they do.
@@roundsm18 both Chris, and roundsm18 are correct. Back to metal cabs, with real DOOR HANDLES....and Bostrom , or CushnAir seats....modern computerized rolling pieces of '' send a computer tech, broke down on the 401.....'' and there is others, also, parked along the route, to where i'm parked at....drinkin beer , in bunk, while waiting for you.....'' Just give me a KW cabover, say of year 1986, with a 15 litre modern detroit in it, and 18 speed with 373 diffs....
I learned to drive a semi in a ‘76 Pete and my first job was hauling produce in a new ‘79 Pete with a 13 speed. Both of them cabovers. But my first and only O/O was a ‘93 Mack CH613 Bulldog. Still own it. It’s got just shy of a million miles and NEVER ever left me on the side of the road. Not Once ! I’m retired, now, but I still maintain the CDL even at 74 years old. Give me a job, “caressing a bulldog” any day or year! Would love to see similar videos comparing the Macks and now parent company, Volvo. Yes, I’m prejudiced in favor of the bulldog, can you blame me? And when the fuel surcharges began, I discovered my Mack was averaging 7.75 mpg, when Unigroup (United Van Lines & Mayflower Transit) fleet average was 5.6 mpg... My fuel surcharges practically paid my entire fuel bill. Well almost. There’s a reason it’s said, “Built like a Mack Truck” .... They are solid..... Dependable... And a fabulous ride... thanks for listening....
I retired from driving truck a little over a year ago.I didn’t think I would miss those farm tractors(International),but I will see a new truck and remember the times I was by myself and the freedom I felt.I just don’t miss the bad hours and bad snow storms.
When I was a young bloke about 1965 my dad told me the story of these two brands. It goes on about two brothers, Peter and Ken Worth who started a truck building enterprise. All was going well until they had differences of opinion on future development so they parted. Ken kept on and branded his trucks Kenworth and Peter named his Peterbuilt. Much later I learnt this to be false but never let the truth interfere in a good yarn and in later years it was a good yarn at truck stops.
Today they are both very sought after models and brands. Peterbuilt is the most recognizable show truck and arguably most customized. Kenworth will not easily be out done ...the massive road trains custom built in Australia are a sight to see. Kenworth has a special place in heavy haul American trucks aswell for escorted heavy hauling and titanic size oil field trucks. They both are legendary American semis and both deserve recognition.
I'm a disabled oilfield driver , we ran Pete's and kws , I prefer kws for heavy haul , my first heavy haul rig weight was 60,320 empty . At times id pull a 3 axle trailer, for a jeep. 5 axle trailer with a 3 axle air pin on . 380,000 lbs net load i remember once
Good video. FWIW, I worked in a Paccar Parts warehouse in the late 70's and early 80's. Paccar Parts is the service parts side of the KW and Peterbilt business. One of my roles there was to be a Peterbilt specialist. Even though the companies had both been owned by Paccar for some time, I can assure you that the underlying parts, and even manufacturing techniques, were substantially different. Even though they may have superficially appeared similar, the parts of the chassis and the cab were largely brand specific.
you probably dont care at all but does any of you know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid forgot my account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!
Awesome Channel, I love every single one of these truck history documentaries- they are smart, informative and beautiful to lol at. But this one, in particular, is an especially awesome video because it's about the little known differences between the absolute best two brands of diesel trucks ever, which I naturally found super interesting!
I've liked Peterbilts since I was a small boy, back then I could spot one coming down the road a day away! I'm thankful I got to drive one for a while. How about an episode about Marmon trucks? It has always been my understanding that Marmons were the "Peterbilt" of its day. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
Marmon was more of a Rolls Royce lol. Based in Texas, they hand built their rigs, and we're known for durability, and luxury. Very rare rigs nowdays, and the few that are for sale aren't really in that great of shape! Marmon offered a Standard or Premium trim, hence 110p or 75s or such.
yeah, no problem! they are quite cool. I've never seen one in person, but they are quite unique trucks. they could be specced any way u wanted, being hand built this is kind of a given. I'm sure there are a few 1 of 1 trucks out there specced a certain way!
@@daveb1081.... All of the Marmon, Pete's, KW's, Freightliner (COE's & early conventionals from 1972 to 1987), and even "A"Car O/O (Owner/Operator) trucks were custom spec'd and "hand built".... and even came with polished brass or chromed steel and engraved dash or externally mounted (Freightliner) plates, stating... "This truck was custom built for _ _ _ _ _" (fill in the first & last name).
I know where there are Two, Marmon COE's currently (Sept. 2020) sitting in a farmers yard, behind his house (along with some KW's Macks & Whites), that are in pretty nice shape.... but haven't been driven in at least, the last two or three years, and both of which, are COE's. I'm thinking of stopping in and meeting him and see if he would consider selling one or even both of them... not sure what is under the cabs for power.... would be incredible if they have the "Big AL's" (35000 series) for power!!...... as long as they were still in running condition.... never know, with the early versions. lol
@James Marquis The FLD was made from 1987 thru 2010. There were 11 different models available during those years. The FLD was a great truck. Unfortunately, Daimler took over Freightliner and now all models are based around the same platform.
@@pauln4489 The last company I drove for gave me a 2019 Cascadia Evolution. Actually I got 2 2019s. I turned the first back in because the APU didn’t work. They gave me another one and I went climb in through the passenger side. When I grabbed onto the seat the whole seat nearly came up because it wasn’t torqued down, it was just sitting on the floor. Their quality control just doesn’t impress me. Paccar isn’t without flaws but they’re much better built than most of the competition. I think the trucks I received were partially assembled in Mexico. Some are assembled in Cleveland, NC. I came back home and started driving dump trucks. I drive mostly older equipment assembled in US. The difference is night and day. I don’t plan on going otr soon, but if I do I’m buying a KW. I’ve also driven Volvos manuals I like those too.
The T-700 KW I Owned was on the Same Exact Frame as the 387 Pete! Plus, their BOTH WAY TO EXPENSIVE ANYMORE!!! PACCAR if they continue their "New Price Points" They WILL Go the way of the Dodo Bird!!! I Love them BOTH! BUT , these "New Price Points" are simply Insane!!!
Used to take tours of the peckerbuilt factory in SF. Pretty interesting and so was the international truck show. Had a truck dragster. 1978/77 time frame so it was the fastest truck of the time
Prior to 1998 the only thing common was axles transmissions and engines. Not because they were designed that way but because they bought standard offerings from the same suppliers. The PB 387 which some people call the T2 me2 was one of the first projects that was intended to share parts. The idea at the beginning of the project was to share 90% content but PB widened the cab and used and aluminum floor so the shared content wound up being closer to 10%. The 387 and T2000 cabs have similar styling but the doors and side skins are really the only common cab parts. In 2007 a new common chassis and radiator was released for most models. Since 2007 shared content has continued to grow to a point that the primary differences between a PB and KW is the dash and the hood. Today PB designs parts for KW and vice versa under the supervision of the name plate supervising engineer. Both are good trucks and always have been.
Both are great. However, I could never quite get used to the accelerator from above configuration of the W900. It just felt uncomfortable to me. Anyone else notice this?.
What is the drag coefficient of the most aerodynamic trucks from these two brands? It is interesting to me that my Ford Fusion is slipperier than most of the early corvettes. As this was done for fuel efficiency in cars, it’s seems to me to be even more important in big rigs!
Only difference I can tell between the new slippery Paccar trucks (T680/880, W990 and 567/579) is the hoods and side mirrors. Cabs are identical, interiors pretty mech the same, save for the company badges. I'm not going to complain though, I drive a T880 heavy haul tractor, and love it. Way more comfortable than the old narrow Kenworth cabs...
I drove a KW T660 for about 5 years and loved the truck, but with a couple of caveats. I heard people talking about problems with the DEF systems and the "afterburner" giving them grief. Almost always, I drove no less than 2 hours before stopping at a ranch to pick up my load. The "regen crap" never ever gave me any trouble. The one thing that was a little inconvenient was the narrow cab. I was in a day-cab so there was no sleeper but there was definitely little space between the doors. It drove well. I'd have preferred a 13 speed Road Ranger vs the 10 speed Eaton-Fuller gearbox but my name wasn't on the title and my checks didn't pay the bills. It was as reliable as I could have asked for. The T680 appeared to be a little more spacious but I never drove one. They showed up about the time my job disappeared.
20 years ago, the difference was that the KW T2000 had no storage within reach of the driver (and a dashboard curved so that nothing could be put on it), and the Pete had the worst aerodynamics on the American road, blasting wind out to the sides at highway speed strong enough to blow plastic K-rails out of position. Thus, company drivers were in KWs and Bubba Bigwheel wanted a Pete. CMV Enforcement was easy -- you would pull over the KW and find a newbie driver with paperwork errors, and a bunch of minor hardware problems, or go for the Pete driver, who (with his whole, whopping five years OTR experience) had faked his logs but whose rig sported Jubitz mud flaps and was in great shape (except maybe the brake shoes were just slightly too thin).
I spend almost all of my time driving through fields harvesting enslige and on dirt roads and the 8 bag suspension shure helps keep traction. No semi is really built for what I do.
Evidently you have never had the privilege of driving/living in a Volvo 860 VNL, Globetrotter. Volvo is without a shadow of a doubt the nicest truck on the market. Unlike Pete and Ken with their 1970’s button and fake leather interior. They look like caskets compared to Volvo.
I worked on BIG trucks 45 years. We never did motor work . We worked on everthing from the flywheel back to the brake lights. We did frame repair,convertions . We would take an over the road tractor ,strip it down, overlay the frame from spring hanger to the tail hinge and mount dump beds on them and kick them out the door. It's been my experience that Kenworth ''s are overly built. They have Un needed braces on all crossmembers ,making the overlay and any frame repair more costly than Peterbuilts. Where Peterbuilts just make better weight bearing crossmembers and higher grade steel. They are easier to disassemble, overlay and reassemble. Transmission and rear ends are easier to remove and replace. Work inside the cab on Peterbuilts you have more room to install controls for a dump bed. I really dreaded it when a KW came in the shop . Just saying.
Difference in KW & PETE sleepers is KW has doors on both sides & sky roof front windows above cab & side tool box doors on both sides as well!!! KW has the factory "86 studio & Pete has "70 sleeper
86 inch sleeper huh? I got something for you to do, get a tape measure, and it's best to have the driver seat removed when doing this to further get my point across but measure from the foot pedals to the back of the sleeper on that 86 inch studio and do the same on Peterbilt 70 inch sleeper or better yet, a 63 inch, I think you'll be surprised.
I like twin sticks and I love cabovers. I wish they would build a long haul cabover again. Currently the only cabover they build is the little six wheeler.
Just hung up the keys after 34 years. Near as I can figure the difference between Pete and KittyWopper is the Pete has a $20,000 hood ornament. #2 favorite I've driven was a T600 condo. #1? A spring ride Mack Superliner!
I have a 92 T600 with a 60 series Detroit and a 15 speed with high gear on the dash. Its my favorite truck. My buddies have W900's we all have sleeper trucks and we all haul sand and rock for concrete plants. My T600 gets around the plants so much easier than their W900's.
I am not a trucker and all I can say is both brands look awesome to me. Comparing them is like comparing Remington versus Mossberg shotguns me I own both & love both.
My grandpa bought a Marmon that rolled over in 1984. He fixed it up for less than 7000 dollars and he drove that truck until 2003. Only had 230,000 when he sold it, wish I knew where it went.
I would suspect that before it was cut back it could top 110 with that gearing. My 379 55o hp Pete would hit 97, but I hauled heavy and 411 was appropriate.
Peterbilt was started by T.A. Peterman in Morton, Washington where he built Log Trucks, then moved to Tacoma. Peterman Hill on Hwy 12 just outside the town of Morton is named for him.
Another difference that I noticed from driving both of them over the years is that on a Pete the clutch pedal depresses down through the floor. On a K Whopper, it depresses up towards the firewall. I am sure there are some models where I am wrong, but I am referring to the 359/379/389 vs. the W900/T800. Always wished I could have a W900 with a Pete clutch pedal in it. I liked it more.
I ve ran both kw and Pete's both are extremely nice and good trucks in my opinion kw have stronger thicker frames food for construction where Pete's have nicer interiors and are better for highway use
I wish I had known the stuff that you said today.... I owned a wrecking yard full of old trucks and didn't know that some of the stuff may of been valuable as they were in the thirties, forties and fifties. A few of the newer ones I had were the volvo and the other similar sized trucks in the sixties. A lot of cab overs and a quite a few long nose highway trucks parked because of insurance mostly... lots of them were kept in running order as we would crank them up occasionally just to keep the engines from getting stuck. We unhooked fuel tanks and drained them so they didn't contaminate the engine. I had a few FWD trucks that were gasoline rigs and those motors took five gallons of gas just to start them so they went first and the rest when scrap came up so we let someone else do the work and got a small share of the moneys made. About two hundred thousand dollars worth at ten percent... they took up about thirty acres. I miss them but my brother owned the property and wouldn't let me keep any. Those rigs had a Hall Scott engine and the carburetor had a three quarter inch outside diameter... perfect for a race car maybe. They measured the mileage in feet per gallon.
Peterbuilt Freightliner Kenworth that's my order of favorites conventional will always be my favorite but the cabovers of the 70s and 80s that Peterbuilt and Freightliner made are truly the greatest of all time Kenworth had that aerodyne cabover of BJ Mckay fame but don't really recall seeing many more other than that style Love that sea green rig at 7:20
To me, the narrow driver space in a Pete made it possible to adjust the passenger side mirror while going down the road. The KW was a bit too wide to pull that off. Moto-mirrors were just becoming common when I retired. I also thought the Petes did better on ice, I've done the Halifax to Vancouver run 6 times in the heart of winter, I do have a clue. If you are fat, the KW has advantages.
Did I hear a Western Star owners head explode? KW' are ok. As long as the driver is under 6' tall. I'm 6'5" and every KW I ever drove beat the crap out of my knees.
I've driven a lot of kenworths, never liked a single one of them. as sad as it is to say I'd take a freightshaker over a kw any day, but for now I've got my long nose pete
@@sk-un5jq well the climate has changed in my 6 decades on this planet,Ive read almost every report on it and I came to the conclusion that what man contributes to the air in green house gasses is a drop in the bucket compared to Mother Nature although the world is warming naturally it seems to be in sync with the sun’s cooling cycle. Mother Nature is smarter than we are.
I love show trucks!! So much to look at. It's like buying a new Lamborghini then spending another 150k on chrome. That KW at 7:23 I had to pause to see. Can't even imagine what kinda time it takes to fully polish a bull hauler.
How could anyone say a Peterbilt 352 looks like a Kenworth K100 or a Peterbilt 359 looks like a Kenworth W900? Put a lot of miles under my belt in both Peterbilt 352's and Kenworth K100's and they were as different as night and day, back in the day when just about everyone was driving cab overs.
Hi @Jim Nickles The one thing I liked about the K100 was the suspended clutch vs. the clutch petal through the floor on the Pete. It seemed like my foot had a tendency to slip off the Pete clutch petal, but I never had that problem with the KW. I think the worse truck I drove for steering wheel to windshield clearance was the Jimmy Crackerbox. Came close several times to breaking my fingers on the windshield, this was something GMC improved on the Astro. I guess that is why at one time there were so many different truck manufactures with so many different options, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I've been out of the trucking industry now for 12 years and just watching videos of the trucking industry today, how things have changed.
I love all Peterbilt and Kenworth Rigs! They are indeed owned by Paccar Motors now! My most favorites are the Kenworth K100/K100C/K100E Cabovers Peterbilt 352 Cabover, Peterbilt 362 Cabover, Peterbilt 372, Peterbilt 379, Peterbilt 389 Peterbilt 397, Peterbilt 378, Peterbilt 386, Peterbilt 387, Peterbilt 359, Peterbilt 351 "Needle Nose", Peterbilt 587, Peterbilt 579, Peterbilt 567, Kenworth W900L Kenworth W900, Kenworth W900A, Kenworth W900B, Kenworth W990, Kenworth T2000, Kenworth T600, Kenworth T800, Kenworth T660, Kenworth T680, Kenworth T880, and Kenworth C500!! But with all these said the most favorite two are the Peterbilt 379 and Kenworth W900L!! You can't beat American Classics! I'd rather have one of these awesome Rigs than a sports car any day! I'd rather have a Customized Kenworth W900L or Peterbilt 379 instead of a Lamborghini or Bugatti any day! 🇺🇸🚛
I don't know where you get your facts. I own a 2019 W900 Studio sleeper with 3 color custom paint scheme. It's the most expensive factory truck on the market.
@@davidleach8383 The finance company owns less than half. It would be pure stupidity to pay cash for a truck. You probably don't own anything, yet you're inquiring about my truck. Anytime I can live off OTHER people's money, that is the way to go. You will learn that when you grow up and start a business.
Alot of their facts are backwards. They heavily favor peterbilt. Peterbilt has smaller cabs, more cramped sleepers and are less fuel efficient. While kw has bigger cabs and more spacious sleepers.
I started out in the 70s in a C O freightliner and when I got w900 KW I thought I was in heaven. Later on I got a 379 Extended hood Pete. I loved them both.
Yea im a Pete guy, but there was this time I pulled a reefer in a triple digit W900, I decided then KW wasnt so bad. But there aint no feelin like Peter Mobealin!
My city had ladder trucks based on K-100 Kenworths made in 1982 with 6v92 Detroits. You could not tell one apart from a 310 Peterbilt if you took that badge away.
I've always liked the looks of a nice long hood pete or a W9. Over the last 20 years I've driven almost all of them except a western star. When it comes to comfort and the ride, my favorite was the Volvo🤫🤐. They ride good, sharp turning radius, quiet and easiest to maneuver around. With that being said, I've always felt safer in a 379. And chicken lights and chrome is a plus to. 😎
There is something to that. The long noses are pretty safe. We had a W900 where a young man committed suicide by truck, driving it into the semi going at high speeds in Utah and the driver of the W900 was unharmed. Not a scratch.
I'd really like to see what it takes to own a truck privately as a historical rig and/or RV toter. I know it varies by state and it's not as simple as slapping on a "Not for Hire" sticker on a truck. I've been seeing more and more of them and owning a vintage Peterbilt 351 is a future goal of mine.
As far as conventional’s go, I love me the ‘74 W900 KW. Made famous in Smokey & the Bandit as well as the 50th anniversary model. I still love the K100 Aerodyne cab over the best. They may be hard on your body, but the look of one is just classic!
Having drove both a W-9 and 379 I can say a kw has a little wider cab and better designed sleeper. The 379 has a more classic look. And updated the interior more often than kw. But kw sleepers are hard to beat
You can credit Volvo for forcing KW and Pete to up their quality. When they first became available here in the states they were just kicking ass in quality. It made us look at what we were doing and do a better job of it.
Their both great. The only thing different between the two is the petty is a smoother ride. According to my uncle Keith for he is a diesel tech for over 30 years said peterbuilt is the Cadillac of trucks. .
Peterbilt never really got a foothold on the Australian market. Out here, it was Kenworth vs Mack Australia, International Trucks and some Ford trucks and other brands, mostly. Western Star has a good foothold on the market out here in more modern times, too. I don't know why Peterbilt never really got the sales out here, maybe the fact they never had a factory out here or felt the cost of importing them was worth it might be an explanation.
@@Miner-49 no he is talking about a better ride suspension setup and a Caterpillar Engine. Many purists still feel that CAT makes the best diesel engine bar none. Many times its the old school CAT engine that will outlast the truck itself. Pacar has been using their own in house engines for awhile to reduce costs to which some love but many hate.
I want to know why I see some trucks with two smoke stacks, and some with only one? To have two stacks, wouldnt you have to have a V configured engine? and one stack would be a straight configuration?
FORD CL9000 the best smoothest ride. As soft and smooth as my Lincoln Town Car, that has air ride. Because my FORD CL 9000 has, four AIR SUSPENSIONS between the road and me. 1. Pneumatic tires (All trucks) 2. Air suspension between the axle & truck frame (some trucks) 3. Complete & total 4 point, 4 air bags, four shock absorbers, AIR RIDE CAB. ( Only Ford CL 9000). 4. AIR RIDE SEAT (Most truck). IF YOU WANT THE BEST FORD
I took the L 9000 single cab for a short trip to help out a friend and was NOT impressed but never drove the CL . What year was your tractor ?? My 379 Peterbilt although was like riding a marshmallow on a cloud .
As a Paccar tech for Pete now but Kenworth before I will tell you a deleted MX an can make big power... easily the best small block ie below 15 litre power wise
The Paccar is just the house engine for buyers too cheap to spring for the good stuff, i.e. fleet junk. Not that there are any truly good modern engines, they’re all kind of throwaway around 5-600k without a full overhaul. But the MX is thrifty at least. I drove a T680 for a while with the MX13, it was in gutless tune, but it did return over 10mpg sometimes which is remarkable. But then it also had some coast mode where it didn’t burn fuel all the time either.
@@caseylimbert266 The original design might be from that DAF XF engine, but it's now built in Paccars engine factory in Mississippi. I'm sure Paccar North America as made slight improvements to it.
@@adamfindlay9632 I've been running the MX 13 since 2014 and for a 13 liter it's a good engine. I'm on my 3rd truck with the Paccar and haven't had a issue with the engine itself with any of them. We have some trucks with 400k+ that are doing quite well.
I wasnt a driver, but I wrenched on both for a few years. And Freightliner. My heart belonged to the 379 Pete. But we had wrecker we made from a KW T24, & it was probably the best looking, non-show truck, KW ever. I knew Paccar owned Pete, but I thought MHC (Murray Haufman) had KW.
I retired from the Kenworth company after building these rigs for many, many years. The plant I worked at, in Seattle, built what they called "high content" highway trucks. All the heavy duty rigs that were big but not like the off-highway rigs we built for the oil industry. 6 by 6's, tridem rear axles, double frames, extra long frames, dual steer front axles, etc. There was a time in the late 90's, early 2000's that we ran Kenworths and Peterbuilts down the same production line. What a logistical nightmare. ALL parts had to be kept separate and used only on the brand they were called out for right down to every nut, bolt, washer, air fitting, zip tie. . .
Difference between a travel truck and a work truck when it boils down to it my rig is built for long hauls on highways with a sleeper but its not to be worked like the boom truck gagne uses to delivery n off load my blocks n bricks for my projects to get done or my buddies dump truck used to carry hottop then cement trucks all built for Different jobs .
I bet that was a really cool job. I would've loved to be able too work there. Thanks you Sir, for putting them out so the Country could keep on going.👍🇺🇸
Did you know Ridgeway ?
@@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488 Yeah. I guess that is something about that job that will never be forgotten. Didn't know him, really. Just well enough to say "hey" when we passed each other in the aisleways. He was a painter, I wasn't.
I don't envy you.
I used to do erosion control and Express Blower and Finn would get a bare tractor and frame (Western Star we mostly used) then have to mount the box or tank, the offboard motor, plumb the mess of hydraulics and rats nest of wiring.
The in house diesel tech probably had it the worst though..
Play at 1.25 speed
No, play at .75
0.25 or 0.5 speed and she sounds baked...
Thx bro
Thanks man
1.5 was a little more manageable
I've had the pleasure of driving both brands, and enjoyed both! My Kenworth was an "anteater" and had a 400 Cat with a 18 speed. My Pete was the long nose, 379,and had a 440 Cat with a 18 speed. Miss both!
My favorites have still been 379 Pete or W900 Kenworth. They’re still the truck every kid draws in school. None of this new updated stuff.
Those W900 were beasts.
@@cahg3871 I’ve driven some that we’re and some that were also gutless as hell. Depends on how you specd your powertrain. 375 HP Cummins with an 8 speed - boat anchor.
500-600 with an 18 speed I might not care if it was a Cummins or a Caterpillar.
Trucks are purpose built for what they do.
@@roundsm18 both Chris, and roundsm18 are correct. Back to metal cabs, with real DOOR HANDLES....and Bostrom , or CushnAir seats....modern computerized rolling pieces of '' send a computer tech, broke down on the 401.....'' and there is others, also, parked along the route, to where i'm parked at....drinkin beer , in bunk, while waiting for you.....'' Just give me a KW cabover, say of year 1986, with a 15 litre modern detroit in it, and 18 speed with 373 diffs....
I learned to drive a semi in a ‘76 Pete and my first job was hauling produce in a new ‘79 Pete with a 13 speed. Both of them cabovers. But my first and only O/O was a ‘93 Mack CH613 Bulldog. Still own it. It’s got just shy of a million miles and NEVER ever left me on the side of the road. Not Once ! I’m retired, now, but I still maintain the CDL even at 74 years old. Give me a job, “caressing a bulldog” any day or year! Would love to see similar videos comparing the Macks and now parent company, Volvo. Yes, I’m prejudiced in favor of the bulldog, can you blame me? And when the fuel surcharges began, I discovered my Mack was averaging 7.75 mpg, when Unigroup (United Van Lines & Mayflower Transit) fleet average was 5.6 mpg... My fuel surcharges practically paid my entire fuel bill. Well almost. There’s a reason it’s said, “Built like a Mack Truck” .... They are solid..... Dependable... And a fabulous ride... thanks for listening....
I retired from driving truck a little over a year ago.I didn’t think I would miss those farm tractors(International),but I will see a new truck and remember the times I was by myself and the freedom I felt.I just don’t miss the bad hours and bad snow storms.
Listening to this girls voice I almost threw myself under a Volvo.
Hahaha same
Agreed
Run audio speed at 1.25 speed, better
@@MegaShangus thanks ! It's way better now
Reminds me of that woman that was on Jeopardy.
When I was a young bloke about 1965 my dad told me the story of these two brands. It goes on about two brothers, Peter and Ken Worth who started a truck building enterprise. All was going well until they had differences of opinion on future development so they parted. Ken kept on and branded his trucks Kenworth and Peter named his Peterbuilt. Much later I learnt this to be false but never let the truth interfere in a good yarn and in later years it was a good yarn at truck stops.
awesome!
You do know that Peterbilt comes from it founder Mr. Peterman. And that's not an old yarn. Look it up.
Heard Paccar bought out freightshaker too now. Going to build a brand new truck supposedly
A Peterworthshakin.
Today they are both very sought after models and brands.
Peterbuilt is the most recognizable show truck and arguably most customized.
Kenworth will not easily be out done ...the massive road trains custom built in Australia are a sight to see. Kenworth has a special place in heavy haul American trucks aswell for escorted heavy hauling and titanic size oil field trucks.
They both are legendary American semis and both deserve recognition.
Bilt.........Peterbilt. 😑
@@craniostomy everyone knows a peter built the entire world.
I'm a disabled oilfield driver , we ran Pete's and kws , I prefer kws for heavy haul , my first heavy haul rig weight was 60,320 empty . At times id pull a 3 axle trailer, for a jeep. 5 axle trailer with a 3 axle air pin on . 380,000 lbs net load i remember once
15 speed main box , 4 speed brownie behind it
@@freewillfarms2059 its PERTERBILT my friend, i take offense because its a very expensive machine to be misspelling its name
Good video. FWIW, I worked in a Paccar Parts warehouse in the late 70's and early 80's. Paccar Parts is the service parts side of the KW and Peterbilt business. One of my roles there was to be a Peterbilt specialist. Even though the companies had both been owned by Paccar for some time, I can assure you that the underlying parts, and even manufacturing techniques, were substantially different. Even though they may have superficially appeared similar, the parts of the chassis and the cab were largely brand specific.
Pits and kens are always good for your Ego. Freights and Volvos are always good for your pockets. Big brains can combine both.
Thank you for clearing up some of the confusion between these 2 manufacturers.
Missed the era of Kent and worthington merging to become Kenworth!
you probably dont care at all but does any of you know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account??
I was stupid forgot my account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!
@Jermaine Ricky Instablaster ;)
I just about did a spit take of my iced tea when she mentioned "fuel economy" while showing the custom long nose trucks...
Awesome Channel, I love every single one of these truck history documentaries- they are smart, informative and beautiful to lol at. But this one, in particular, is an especially awesome video because it's about the little known differences between the absolute best two brands of diesel trucks ever, which I naturally found super interesting!
Wow! Those trucks shown in the first minute of the video were beautiful!
I've liked Peterbilts since I was a small boy, back then I could spot one coming down the road a day away! I'm thankful I got to drive one for a while. How about an episode about Marmon trucks? It has always been my understanding that Marmons were the "Peterbilt" of its day. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
Marmon was more of a Rolls Royce lol. Based in Texas, they hand built their rigs, and we're known for durability, and luxury. Very rare rigs nowdays, and the few that are for sale aren't really in that great of shape! Marmon offered a Standard or Premium trim, hence 110p or 75s or such.
David Blessing thanks for the clarification. I’ve only seen two Marmons and both of them were in the same “Transformers” movie!
yeah, no problem! they are quite cool. I've never seen one in person, but they are quite unique trucks. they could be specced any way u wanted, being hand built this is kind of a given. I'm sure there are a few 1 of 1 trucks out there specced a certain way!
@@daveb1081.... All of the Marmon, Pete's, KW's, Freightliner (COE's & early conventionals from 1972 to 1987), and even "A"Car O/O (Owner/Operator) trucks were custom spec'd and "hand built".... and even came with polished brass or chromed steel and engraved dash or externally mounted (Freightliner) plates, stating... "This truck was custom built for _ _ _ _ _" (fill in the first & last name).
I know where there are Two, Marmon COE's currently (Sept. 2020) sitting in a farmers yard, behind his house (along with some KW's Macks & Whites), that are in pretty nice shape.... but haven't been driven in at least, the last two or three years, and both of which, are COE's.
I'm thinking of stopping in and meeting him and see if he would consider selling one or even both of them... not sure what is under the cabs for power.... would be incredible if they have the "Big AL's" (35000 series) for power!!...... as long as they were still in running condition.... never know, with the early versions. lol
Would love to see a video like this about Freightliner and Western Star.
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I don't know why, no Owner Operator buys them by choice.
Facts
@James Marquis The FLD was made from 1987 thru 2010. There were 11 different models available during those years. The FLD was a great truck. Unfortunately, Daimler took over Freightliner and now all models are based around the same platform.
@@pauln4489 The last company I drove for gave me a 2019 Cascadia Evolution. Actually I got 2 2019s. I turned the first back in because the APU didn’t work. They gave me another one and I went climb in through the passenger side. When I grabbed onto the seat the whole seat nearly came up because it wasn’t torqued down, it was just sitting on the floor. Their quality control just doesn’t impress me. Paccar isn’t without flaws but they’re much better built than most of the competition. I think the trucks I received were partially assembled in Mexico. Some are assembled in Cleveland, NC. I came back home and started driving dump trucks. I drive mostly older equipment assembled in US. The difference is night and day. I don’t plan on going otr soon, but if I do I’m buying a KW. I’ve also driven Volvos manuals I like those too.
Hi. I'm from Brazil. You forget when you mentioned the K100 and the W900 to speak about the Aerodyne version of slepeer.
I have a 379exhd day cab I use to haul containers out of Chicago. Bought it new in 1998 and have a million and a half miles on it.
So, does your story prove the saying?
Old Truckers never die, they just get a new Peterbilt.
@@jaquigreenlees Not if the old one is still running hard.
Peterbilt and Kenworth to the bone
Yes but as the song goes ...Peter built a truck for a Man to drive !
To the bone is such a good saying with those two trucks. The button and fake leather interior covers look like a casket.
The T-700 KW I Owned was on the Same Exact Frame as the 387 Pete! Plus, their BOTH WAY TO EXPENSIVE ANYMORE!!! PACCAR if they continue their "New Price Points" They WILL Go the way of the Dodo Bird!!! I Love them BOTH! BUT , these "New Price Points" are simply Insane!!!
1:08 Anyone else see that white suv driving in reverse?
yes part of the video is reversed
Do you mean pick-up truck
Uh, looked like a Hyundai Tuscon.
Makes sense now... =P
@James Bustard Lmfao
He was racing the semi at 1:01 and the pickup at 1:17
What’s the difference?? At The plant in Denton Texas , Pete’s come out one side and the KW’s come out the other side ......
Both trucks are equally very beautiful looking. I would have a hard time choosing on looks alone. Also, I'm sure both are just as reliable.
Used to take tours of the peckerbuilt factory in SF. Pretty interesting and so was the international truck show. Had a truck dragster. 1978/77 time frame so it was the fastest truck of the time
Prior to 1998 the only thing common was axles transmissions and engines. Not because they were designed that way but because they bought standard offerings from the same suppliers.
The PB 387 which some people call the T2 me2 was one of the first projects that was intended to share parts. The idea at the beginning of the project was to share 90% content but PB widened the cab and used and aluminum floor so the shared content wound up being closer to 10%. The 387 and T2000 cabs have similar styling but the doors and side skins are really the only common cab parts.
In 2007 a new common chassis and radiator was released for most models. Since 2007 shared content has continued to grow to a point that the primary differences between a PB and KW is the dash and the hood.
Today PB designs parts for KW and vice versa under the supervision of the name plate supervising engineer.
Both are good trucks and always have been.
Both are great. However, I could never quite get used to the accelerator from above configuration of the W900. It just felt uncomfortable to me. Anyone else notice this?.
When I was a youngster Autocar was known to be the best
If Peterbilt is the Cadillac and KW is the Lincoln, Autocar is the Duesenberg.
KENWORTH, "Traditionally the Finest" & still proudly built hear in Australia as well.
What is the drag coefficient of the most aerodynamic trucks from these two brands? It is interesting to me that my Ford Fusion is slipperier than most of the early corvettes. As this was done for fuel efficiency in cars, it’s seems to me to be even more important in big rigs!
True. At the same time Truck drivers live in these trucks and don’t want to necessarily drive a giant prius around.
In a KW currently its nice I like it but nothing beats a peterbilt 379 with a hood I must say I miss that truck the most.
Only difference I can tell between the new slippery Paccar trucks (T680/880, W990 and 567/579) is the hoods and side mirrors. Cabs are identical, interiors pretty mech the same, save for the company badges. I'm not going to complain though, I drive a T880 heavy haul tractor, and love it. Way more comfortable than the old narrow Kenworth cabs...
I drove a KW T660 for about 5 years and loved the truck, but with a couple of caveats. I heard people talking about problems with the DEF systems and the "afterburner" giving them grief. Almost always, I drove no less than 2 hours before stopping at a ranch to pick up my load. The "regen crap" never ever gave me any trouble. The one thing that was a little inconvenient was the narrow cab. I was in a day-cab so there was no sleeper but there was definitely little space between the doors. It drove well. I'd have preferred a 13 speed Road Ranger vs the 10 speed Eaton-Fuller gearbox but my name wasn't on the title and my checks didn't pay the bills. It was as reliable as I could have asked for. The T680 appeared to be a little more spacious but I never drove one. They showed up about the time my job disappeared.
20 years ago, the difference was that the KW T2000 had no storage within reach of the driver (and a dashboard curved so that nothing could be put on it), and the Pete had the worst aerodynamics on the American road, blasting wind out to the sides at highway speed strong enough to blow plastic K-rails out of position. Thus, company drivers were in KWs and Bubba Bigwheel wanted a Pete. CMV Enforcement was easy -- you would pull over the KW and find a newbie driver with paperwork errors, and a bunch of minor hardware problems, or go for the Pete driver, who (with his whole, whopping five years OTR experience) had faked his logs but whose rig sported Jubitz mud flaps and was in great shape (except maybe the brake shoes were just slightly too thin).
Love ❤️ seeing these trucks in the GSR parking lot in Reno.
Love Mady's voice, so sweet, and more talking about my big love= TRUCKS.
Matty makes my day soo much better with her truck knowledge!
She's reading a script. :rolleyes:
She should make a video about a truck, then we can see this mistyerious voice
@@tonydesaire9326 anyone can do a presentation reading off a screen without anyone there to judge you.
@@eln0n01 Cut to presidential press conference...
@@mikem6176 exactly 😅😂
Nice video but where did you explain the differences?
In the video.
A W900 w/ a studio sleeper is King of the Road caddie!
I love my 1995 W900L with the studio sleeper non amerocab. Cat 3406E 18 speed.
I spend almost all of my time driving through fields harvesting enslige and on dirt roads and the 8 bag suspension shure helps keep traction. No semi is really built for what I do.
Yup cat 🐈 power
A "caddie" is someone who carries a player's bag and washes his balls. Do you mean "Caddy"?
Evidently you have never had the privilege of driving/living in a Volvo 860 VNL, Globetrotter. Volvo is without a shadow of a doubt the nicest truck on the market.
Unlike Pete and Ken with their 1970’s button and fake leather interior. They look like caskets compared to Volvo.
I worked on BIG trucks 45 years. We never did motor work . We worked on everthing from the flywheel back to the brake lights. We did frame repair,convertions . We would take an over the road tractor ,strip it down, overlay the frame from spring hanger to the tail hinge and mount dump beds on them and kick them out the door. It's been my experience that Kenworth ''s are overly built. They have Un needed braces on all crossmembers ,making the overlay and any frame repair more costly than Peterbuilts. Where Peterbuilts just make better weight bearing crossmembers and higher grade steel. They are easier to disassemble, overlay and reassemble. Transmission and rear ends are easier to remove and replace. Work inside the cab on Peterbuilts you have more room to install controls for a dump bed. I really dreaded it when a KW came in the shop . Just saying.
Difference in KW & PETE sleepers is KW has doors on both sides & sky roof front windows above cab & side tool box doors on both sides as well!!! KW has the factory "86 studio & Pete has "70 sleeper
86 inch sleeper huh? I got something for you to do, get a tape measure, and it's best to have the driver seat removed when doing this to further get my point across but measure from the foot pedals to the back of the sleeper on that 86 inch studio and do the same on Peterbilt 70 inch sleeper or better yet, a 63 inch, I think you'll be surprised.
Kenworth Aerodyne. First introduced in 1976 (Aerodyne 1) and updated in 1995 (Aerodyne 2).
@@UnionThugg I had a '93 with Aerodyne 2.. KW introduced Aerodyne 2 in '92
I like twin sticks and I love cabovers. I wish they would build a long haul cabover again. Currently the only cabover they build is the little six wheeler.
Just hung up the keys after 34 years. Near as I can figure the difference between Pete and KittyWopper is the Pete has a $20,000 hood ornament. #2 favorite I've driven was a T600 condo. #1? A spring ride Mack Superliner!
Superliner great truck
I have a 92 T600 with a 60 series Detroit and a 15 speed with high gear on the dash. Its my favorite truck. My buddies have W900's we all have sleeper trucks and we all haul sand and rock for concrete plants. My T600 gets around the plants so much easier than their W900's.
What would you prefer for a class super C motorhome, the conventional long nose or the newer aerodynamic design?
Love your videos... can you do a difference video between freightliner and international
Both did give truck bodies to school bus corporations.
Im going to make it for you right now, if you can avoid buying them, avoid buying them. There you go done
Same for Volvo and Western Star
My grandfather used to be a long haul trucker. He loved his Autocars and his Petes.
I learned to drive in a 48 Autocar.
I am not a trucker and all I can say is both brands look awesome to me. Comparing them is like comparing Remington versus Mossberg shotguns me I own both & love both.
Both are trucking legendary icons , boy! Difference is wiiiide big between a "'Trucker"' & "'truck driver"' boy !
Back in the day, if you wanted a top the line truck, you bought a Marmon.
My grandpa bought a Marmon that rolled over in 1984. He fixed it up for less than 7000 dollars and he drove that truck until 2003. Only had 230,000 when he sold it, wish I knew where it went.
@@braysfinds7479 Only 230,000 what did he just drive to church on Sunday
He only used for milk runs and he only drove it four times a month on a 30 mile round trip. I have no other explanation. Maybe he was tooling with me.
Ive driven both , my last ride was a w900 limited edition, 725 hp kitten , 18speed , 373 rear gears , studio sleeper, cut back to 98mph top in .
I would suspect that before it was cut back it could top 110 with that gearing. My 379 55o hp Pete would hit 97, but I hauled heavy and 411 was appropriate.
Another great and important video. Been in trucking all my life. Learned a lot
@Hi Jeff Nisbet how are you doing
@@lydialas1649 hello
@@montanamornings8526 yes hope you are doing well and i hope we can get to know each other if you dont mind
Did you guys meet yet? It’d be cool if y’all did
@@lydialas1649 hi Lydia. Weird I’m just seeing this
I'm not a truck driver and not sure if I ever should. But damn these are interesting videos!
Peterbilt was started by T.A. Peterman in Morton, Washington where he built Log Trucks, then moved to Tacoma. Peterman Hill on Hwy 12 just outside the town of Morton is named for him.
Another difference that I noticed from driving both of them over the years is that on a Pete the clutch pedal depresses down through the floor. On a K Whopper, it depresses up towards the firewall. I am sure there are some models where I am wrong, but I am referring to the 359/379/389 vs. the W900/T800. Always wished I could have a W900 with a Pete clutch pedal in it. I liked it more.
My first truck was an 87 Freightliner, and the clutch went into the floor in there as well.
My choice? Kenworth! Enough said!
I ve ran both kw and Pete's both are extremely nice and good trucks in my opinion kw have stronger thicker frames food for construction where Pete's have nicer interiors and are better for highway use
I wish I had known the stuff that you said today.... I owned a wrecking yard full of old trucks and didn't know that some of the stuff may of been valuable as they were in the thirties, forties and fifties. A few of the newer ones I had were the volvo and the other similar sized trucks in the sixties. A lot of cab overs and a quite a few long nose highway trucks parked because of insurance mostly... lots of them were kept in running order as we would crank them up occasionally just to keep the engines from getting stuck. We unhooked fuel tanks and drained them so they didn't contaminate the engine. I had a few FWD trucks that were gasoline rigs and those motors took five gallons of gas just to start them so they went first and the rest when scrap came up so we let someone else do the work and got a small share of the moneys made. About two hundred thousand dollars worth at ten percent... they took up about thirty acres. I miss them but my brother owned the property and wouldn't let me keep any. Those rigs had a Hall Scott engine and the carburetor had a three quarter inch outside diameter... perfect for a race car maybe. They measured the mileage in feet per gallon.
Peterbuilt Freightliner Kenworth that's my order of favorites conventional will always be my favorite but the cabovers of the 70s and 80s that Peterbuilt and Freightliner made are truly the greatest of all time Kenworth had that aerodyne cabover of BJ Mckay fame but don't really recall seeing many more other than that style Love that sea green rig at 7:20
To me, the narrow driver space in a Pete made it possible to adjust the passenger side mirror while going down the road. The KW was a bit too wide to pull that off. Moto-mirrors were just becoming common when I retired. I also thought the Petes did better on ice, I've done the Halifax to Vancouver run 6 times in the heart of winter, I do have a clue. If you are fat, the KW has advantages.
Excellent presentation.
Thank you, great research! 👍
What about Freightliner?
Did I hear a Western Star owners head explode? KW' are ok. As long as the driver is under 6' tall. I'm 6'5" and every KW I ever drove beat the crap out of my knees.
I've driven a lot of kenworths, never liked a single one of them. as sad as it is to say I'd take a freightshaker over a kw any day, but for now I've got my long nose pete
Hi. You probably use pedals much more than you need. Just kidding trucker fella.
They make extended cabs for that lol
Take of your high heels then 🙄
@@rcr76 Oh u so funny! I'll bet your 1 of the Flip Flop wearing Sure Wished I'd Finished Training Bone Head Trucker group! 🤣
What’s with the trucks that are only 1 inch off the ground? Don’t bottom out all the time?
I personally have always liked Kenworth the best of the two.
Right on.
You really can't go wrong with either.
Lol on the intro she said if your rig don’t shine you don’t know jack made me become a
Subscriber to this channel that was funny
Emissions standards leveled that dependability field,all suck nowadays
Global Warming/Climate Change is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on humanity. We will all suffer unneccessarily.
@@sk-un5jq well the climate has changed in my 6 decades on this planet,Ive read almost every report on it and I came to the conclusion that what man contributes to the air in green house gasses is a drop in the bucket compared to Mother Nature although the world is warming naturally it seems to be in sync with the sun’s cooling cycle. Mother Nature is smarter than we are.
I love show trucks!! So much to look at. It's like buying a new Lamborghini then spending another 150k on chrome. That KW at 7:23 I had to pause to see. Can't even imagine what kinda time it takes to fully polish a bull hauler.
How could anyone say a Peterbilt 352 looks like a Kenworth K100 or a Peterbilt 359 looks like a Kenworth W900? Put a lot of miles under my belt in both Peterbilt 352's and Kenworth K100's and they were as different as night and day, back in the day when just about everyone was driving cab overs.
Hi @Jim Nickles The one thing I liked about the K100 was the suspended clutch vs. the clutch petal through the floor on the Pete. It seemed like my foot had a tendency to slip off the Pete clutch petal, but I never had that problem with the KW. I think the worse truck I drove for steering wheel to windshield clearance was the Jimmy Crackerbox. Came close several times to breaking my fingers on the windshield, this was something GMC improved on the Astro. I guess that is why at one time there were so many different truck manufactures with so many different options, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I've been out of the trucking industry now for 12 years and just watching videos of the trucking industry today, how things have changed.
I love the kw tall coffin style hood and fenders but prefer Pete’s unibilt flat top sleepers. The a model def my all time favorite truck tho
As far as it goes for me I'm going to say, the style at least, Pete's I like a lot more, but man that's a good question. It's hard to choose
Peterbilt=Cadillac
I love all Peterbilt and Kenworth Rigs! They are indeed owned by Paccar Motors now! My most favorites are the Kenworth K100/K100C/K100E Cabovers Peterbilt 352 Cabover, Peterbilt 362 Cabover, Peterbilt 372, Peterbilt 379, Peterbilt 389 Peterbilt 397, Peterbilt 378, Peterbilt 386, Peterbilt 387, Peterbilt 359, Peterbilt 351 "Needle Nose", Peterbilt 587, Peterbilt 579, Peterbilt 567, Kenworth W900L Kenworth W900, Kenworth W900A, Kenworth W900B, Kenworth W990, Kenworth T2000, Kenworth T600, Kenworth T800, Kenworth T660, Kenworth T680, Kenworth T880, and Kenworth C500!! But with all these said the most favorite two are the Peterbilt 379 and Kenworth W900L!! You can't beat American Classics! I'd rather have one of these awesome Rigs than a sports car any day! I'd rather have a Customized Kenworth W900L or Peterbilt 379 instead of a Lamborghini or Bugatti any day! 🇺🇸🚛
Please make a video about the Kenworth C500, Macon Titan, Mack Superliner, and Caterpillar CT660
I don't know where you get your facts. I own a 2019 W900 Studio sleeper with 3 color custom paint scheme. It's the most expensive factory truck on the market.
Paul N 💯💯💯 best truck...rides like a towncar
The 8 bag system rides so much nicer than the newway four bag in my 2021 388
I bet the finance company owns it
@@davidleach8383 The finance company owns less than half. It would be pure stupidity to pay cash for a truck. You probably don't own anything, yet you're inquiring about my truck. Anytime I can live off OTHER people's money, that is the way to go. You will learn that when you grow up and start a business.
Alot of their facts are backwards. They heavily favor peterbilt. Peterbilt has smaller cabs, more cramped sleepers and are less fuel efficient. While kw has bigger cabs and more spacious sleepers.
I started out in the 70s in a C O freightliner and when I got w900 KW I thought I was in heaven. Later on I got a 379 Extended hood Pete. I loved them both.
Almost like Cadillac vs Buick. Both fine automobiles built by the same company.
Yea im a Pete guy, but there was this time I pulled a reefer in a triple digit W900, I decided then KW wasnt so bad. But there aint no feelin like Peter Mobealin!
Agreed, or its like Silverado vs Sierra, even though they're the same truck essentially
Cadillacs are not all that great. They may have been 50 yeats ago. But now its just a up priced chevy
Good analogy :)
GM quality ain’t there anymore fellas
Nice truck
If you have an accident in a cabover you're the first one on the scene.
With style tho. 🤔
@@salvadordollyparton666 very true
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Sad but true and there's a lot of nice cabovers to.
Van too. But not all vans are equal.
My city had ladder trucks based on K-100 Kenworths made in 1982 with 6v92 Detroits. You could not tell one apart from a 310 Peterbilt if you took that badge away.
Correction: 389 was not a model until 2008 model year. Great video!
I drive a 2004 KW W900 with a Bridger Cat motor pulling a bucket . Works for me
nothing wrong with the bridge {mbn} engine if you turn it back into a 6nz. valve actuators make that motor garbage
I've always liked the looks of a nice long hood pete or a W9. Over the last 20 years I've driven almost all of them except a western star. When it comes to comfort and the ride, my favorite was the Volvo🤫🤐. They ride good, sharp turning radius, quiet and easiest to maneuver around. With that being said, I've always felt safer in a 379. And chicken lights and chrome is a plus to. 😎
There is something to that. The long noses are pretty safe. We had a W900 where a young man committed suicide by truck, driving it into the semi going at high speeds in Utah and the driver of the W900 was unharmed. Not a scratch.
I'd really like to see what it takes to own a truck privately as a historical rig and/or RV toter. I know it varies by state and it's not as simple as slapping on a "Not for Hire" sticker on a truck. I've been seeing more and more of them and owning a vintage Peterbilt 351 is a future goal of mine.
We are restoring a 1984 Kenworth k100 for personal use only at the shop. We will keep you updated with UA-cam content on that very soon.
It’s not very hard at all since you won’t be using it for commercial purposes. Pretty much the same as a coach/bus.
As far as conventional’s go, I love me the ‘74 W900 KW. Made famous in Smokey & the Bandit as well as the 50th anniversary model.
I still love the K100 Aerodyne cab over the best. They may be hard on your body, but the look of one is just classic!
It would be nice to see Kenworth bring the K200 from Australia up to the States, I think they would go over pretty good.
Having drove both a W-9 and 379 I can say a kw has a little wider cab and better designed sleeper. The 379 has a more classic look. And updated the interior more often than kw. But kw sleepers are hard to beat
Also Peterbilts 379 are more solid on the road because lower suspensions
Who makes the best trucks in the US then? I think a majority would agree that Volvo make the best units for here in the UK.
You can credit Volvo for forcing KW and Pete to up their quality. When they first became available here in the states they were just kicking ass in quality. It made us look at what we were doing and do a better job of it.
Btw, what's the difference between, say 1980 Peterbilt vs Freightliner? They look same to me.
I always loved them cabovers. Bring them back America
You should contact the American Chiropractic Association, everyone I knew who drove cab overs had back trouble.
Paccar should bring DAF to america
I shut it down when you said Jack's Chrome Shop was offering 10% and the add showed 20%! Wow! Good job
I'm am utterly amazed that they didn't highlight Kenworth's testament to the ages, the T2000!
I think we'd all like to forget that one
they both had their throw away trucks
I would rather cut off my hand than talk about the T2000. Ugliest truck ever built and it’s not even close.
Although not the biggest fan of the T2000, but I'd have to say the T700 was Kenworths biggest mistake. Doesn't even deserve the KW badge.
Their both great. The only thing different between the two is the petty is a smoother ride. According to my uncle Keith for he is a diesel tech for over 30 years said peterbuilt is the Cadillac of trucks. .
Peterbilt never really got a foothold on the Australian market. Out here, it was Kenworth vs Mack Australia, International Trucks and some Ford trucks and other brands, mostly. Western Star has a good foothold on the market out here in more modern times, too. I don't know why Peterbilt never really got the sales out here, maybe the fact they never had a factory out here or felt the cost of importing them was worth it might be an explanation.
I'm right handed and clumsey with my left hand. How the heck do you guys shift an 18 speed with your left hand. Respect!
Excellent video. Informative and educational. I really enjoyed this.
Unless you have low leaf air ride w/ a big yellow motor you may as well have a volvo
Low leaf with a yellow motor...are you driving a Tesla? 😂
@@Miner-49 no he is talking about a better ride suspension setup and a Caterpillar Engine. Many purists still feel that CAT makes the best diesel engine bar none. Many times its the old school CAT engine that will outlast the truck itself. Pacar has been using their own in house engines for awhile to reduce costs to which some love but many hate.
I want to know why I see some trucks with two smoke stacks, and some with only one?
To have two stacks, wouldnt you have to have a V configured engine? and one stack would be a straight configuration?
they just have a y pipe in the exhaust
Not with a Y pipe. It splits the exhaust into both stacks.
FORD CL9000 the best smoothest ride. As soft and smooth as my Lincoln Town Car, that has air ride.
Because my FORD CL 9000 has, four AIR SUSPENSIONS between the road and me.
1. Pneumatic tires (All trucks)
2. Air suspension between the axle & truck frame (some trucks)
3. Complete & total 4 point, 4 air bags, four shock absorbers, AIR RIDE CAB. ( Only Ford CL 9000).
4. AIR RIDE SEAT (Most truck).
IF YOU WANT THE BEST FORD
some one needs to drive the peterbilt with the flex air system.....i've been down road with out a flat spot on it and never felt a bump
I took the L 9000 single cab for a short trip to help out a friend and was NOT impressed but never drove the CL . What year was your tractor ?? My 379 Peterbilt although was like riding a marshmallow on a cloud .
So who made better logging trucks kentworth or Mack ?
Fantastic video👍👍
Hi ya all, very, very informative!!!
As long as you get one without a Paccar engine.
As a Paccar tech for Pete now but Kenworth before I will tell you a deleted MX an can make big power... easily the best small block ie below 15 litre power wise
That PACCAR engine is built by a truck company in the Netherlands called DAF
The Paccar is just the house engine for buyers too cheap to spring for the good stuff, i.e. fleet junk. Not that there are any truly good modern engines, they’re all kind of throwaway around 5-600k without a full overhaul. But the MX is thrifty at least.
I drove a T680 for a while with the MX13, it was in gutless tune, but it did return over 10mpg sometimes which is remarkable. But then it also had some coast mode where it didn’t burn fuel all the time either.
@@caseylimbert266
The original design might be from that DAF XF engine, but it's now built in Paccars engine factory in Mississippi. I'm sure Paccar North America as made slight improvements to it.
@@adamfindlay9632
I've been running the MX 13 since 2014 and for a 13 liter it's a good engine. I'm on my 3rd truck with the Paccar and haven't had a issue with the engine itself with any of them. We have some trucks with 400k+ that are doing quite well.
I wasnt a driver, but I wrenched on both for a few years. And Freightliner. My heart belonged to the 379 Pete. But we had wrecker we made from a KW T24, & it was probably the best looking, non-show truck, KW ever. I knew Paccar owned Pete, but I thought MHC (Murray Haufman) had KW.