Rockstar banning griefing would be ok if they also didn’t pop up a message saying someone is delivering cargo in the lobby and making pedestrian npc drivers run purposefully into you whenever your doing a car cargo sell mission.
yes its flawed rules from the start some random person that does not even have a ceo or mc yet doesn't need to be notified where an org is on the map or if they're sourcing or selling, what would make more sense at least is only broadcast to active orgs on the same source or sell missions and allow them to try to steal it for themself, now you have incentive to not blow it up at least and possibly the hope of being able to steal it back making the high demand bonus make more sense
Even funnier is the fact NPCs can send you messages where they swear (like a bounty text if you steal their car) but you can't do the same. It makes ZERO sense.
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Take-Two raised their ESG score so high by DEI'ing Rockstar and breaking up the 'boys club' (aka the guys who have been with the series since the start and made it good). That's why they don't want to come into the office anymore and think all overtime is a crime.
Yeah, they should really just make it that any business spawns one vehicle if you are in an org or gang by yourself. That is why the Nightclub and Acid Lab are the best for solo money making in GTA Online.
This mightve been valid literally 6-8 years ago, but since then the game's pvp has been an unbalanced mess where they give griefers tools. Maybe its gta 6 prep but this shit is pretty hypocritical, especially when the orbital cannon exists
Yeah the game is built to breed toxic players. And it might be prep for GTA6 but you already know their going to give in to the loser wannabes that are going to be wanting their over powered, unbalanced crap back because they are Take2's and R*'s main source of income.. the real question is, how long will it take until the do give in and start corrupting GTA6 whit crap too?..
Exactly. If they want to prove us wrong- *Permanently Disable the Notifications for Cargo, Supply and Sell Runs.* That would be a step in the right direction…
If you want to protect privacy, don’t play on PC. You’ll get booted offline, have your game crashed and not be able to log on for two weeks. GTA online is unplayable on PC.
@@masmelly6384 Join a game of GTAO and try to start an event that pops up in the top left corner to every loser in the entire lobby and snitches out your exact location to everyone on the map and see how much honor there is in your average GTAO lobby
Rockstar themselves taught players to do that in the first place by telling other players where you are on the map you're moving heist prep equipment cargo supplies etc and to blow it up for cash and rp, not telling them even the tiny bit of money they'll get for their trouble. Rockstar themselves engrained this behavior in players early on, teaching new players it's okay to do this 😄
I don’t buy it personally. They added the orbital cannon, along with all of these futuristic and weaponized vehicles. And on top of that, they literally ping your cargo on the map telling people to blow it up. So this post contradicts their game. Not to mention all of the times people abused God Mode glitches and didn’t get banned.
@@UnknownName5050Yes I can. Destroying someone’s hours of hard work is griefing. You wouldn’t like it if it were done to you, so stop trying to make it seem like it’s ok to do.
If Rockstar didn't broadcast to the entire lobby when you're selling cargo and give players the ability to see where you are at all times griefing wouldn't be as bad as it is😂
This will 100% not stop griefing especially on pc version where modders run rampant with anti report mod menus. The double standards of Rockstar is questionable at best
yh non contact is a thing if you want fully clean races or actual racing games i usually drive the wrong way just because i know ive lost the race and just want to mess around even driving off the track and around the city and it's not toxic because i don't try and sabotage others
I remember when I was with my friend at his house, at his liveroom, we were playing GTA V in PS3, was a guy cursing a kid... To us was kinda funny, because the guy was so upset for something so unnecessary, but then we realised that kid was getting sad. Was one of the moments that we discover that public sessions are bad basically.
@@ziploc2000 yeah you are right. But tell this to their parents. Especially nowadays, they don't give a damn. Instead they will give you a tablet. But who am I? When I was 7 I wanted to play Gta San Andreas... But was single player.
I think destroying someone else’s cargo is not bad per se in a game like gta, to me the bad part is that the cargo owner realistically cannot defend himself while delievering cargo in a 15 mph van against flying things with missiles. It would be much more fun to defend your cargo against ppl trying to steal or destroy your cargo using “common” weapons
i think it should only be stealing cargo and selling it for almost the original value (not the full amount because you have to organise a quick buyer) since it doesn't make sense for criminals to destroy other criminals product when they could sell it
They will not ban people for cargo griefing. The game literally says destroy cargo to get cash and RP. Now I'm not saying people should do it because of that but they can't tell you that then also ban you for it as well.
As an African American man who plays with a lot of other African American guys, the n word gets thrown around a lot. Not because we're upset at each other or yelling at anyone, but because it becomes part of the lingo. Will I then get banned because of that? If so, how is that not a form of discrimination
@@CJGAMEZ38 I personally don't use the word myself, even though I'm black. But a couple of my friends do. And while I don't agree with them using it, we shouldn't be punishing people for speaking in a way that is well integrated within their culture whether we like it or not. It doesn't carry the same weight as somebody using it for nefarious purposes. And since it's going to be difficult for any AI model to detect that, I think we should just allow freedom of speech. So what if somebody's racist, mute them
@@ERTChimpanzee I agree no one should use it but what I will say to u as a white man, because u know what where it came from you shouldn’t be using that word unless you are a racist , and if your not a racist use different words.
I stopped playing GTA 5 online a year ago after some racist scumbag DDOSED my account and wiped out my entire gaming history. These guidelines aren't going to do anything...
That's not how DDOSing works, if you can't play online because he's DDOSing you, in which case anything on your internet will not be working, you won't lose anything, you simply need to use a new internet connection or request a new ip from your internet provider. A good way to protect yourself from DDOSing is to play with a vpn activated, Windscribe is a good free one.
I played GTA v online from November of the year it came out up until a few years ago. Eventually I realized that it is literally just the same shit over and over and over again and the devs don't give a shit. I can't blame them though, it's over a decade old. At this point it's just boomers still trying to milk it until GT6 comes out and then GT6 will fall into the same process.
The real grief problem is the blip system. Having a gps that pinpoints other players locations makes freemode un enjoyable. You should have to call lester or imani to expose blips, and keep the gps in the pause menu and vehicles.Red dead had the proximity blip system which felt like a step in the right direction .
@@NoahCanFBThey tell the whole lobby that you’re selling cargo and they ping it on the map. And they added all of these futuristic and weaponized vehicles to the game. Yes they do encourage griefing. While you may not be forced to do it, they still encourage you to do it.
How they can improve the problem with cargo greifing is do not announce that someone is moving product, do not reward the player for destroying the product and do not show icons for those moving the product.
I was just talking about this a couple days ago. There's a Griefer on this GTA 5 fanclub I'm part of on Facebook. He posts videos of him destroying people's supplies and cargo, and he's proud of it. I still don't understand why people think it's cool to do that.
I stick to invite only sessions anyway. Can do most of the missions I want too and don't have to deal with literal children who shouldn't be playing the game in the first place being annoying idiots
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Lil bro's apparently been spamming Professional's comment sections a lot lately just to be an annoying lil rat for some reason. Guess kid isn't getting attention at home :B
just some thought from my side: "by using the game in unintended ways" seems like griefing in the case of the community guidelines doesn't include cargo-griefing because this would be an intended way of griefing (the game tells you that you can destroy cargo of other players to get some money)
That's exactly what I've been telling people. Rockstar's definition of griefing doesn't count cargo griefing. When Rockstar mentions "griefing", they mean stuff like using exploits, cheating, stream-sniping, trolling, etc. So, this new community guideline thing will have absolutely zero effect on people who destroy cargo. Because at least from Rockstar's POV, destroying cargo is not griefing. That's just playing the game the way it was designed.
I'd say this is kind of a step in the right direction, if a little bit of a late one at that. First they made it so that we can sell in invite only lobbies, which was already a nice message to grinders and casuals, and now they're giving threats to the griefers.
Yep. Regardless though I’m still gonna stay in PGAM lobbies unless Ghillie is in pubs during streams. I’ll be honest that I used to go in pubs a ton years ago to do 1v1’s against toxic players. But now I mostly like avoiding it altogether lol.
Might make it slightly more toxic. Say for example you're a griefer and you're looking to ruin someones day, now all you gotta do is provoke them into killing you more than once and report them for griefing. That's one of the ways I see the system getting abused and if this happens to be the case then Rockstar needs to implement punishment for false reports.
Yes, on PC there is a chat section you just type your message in, and it is seen by whomever you want it to be seen by. It can be between people in your org or gang, or you can have it public and be seen by anyone in the lobby.
Technically it’s not griefing because it’s encouraged and you get a higher payout for doing it in a full lobby. You’ll get an extra million sometimes. 30% more on full lobbies. High risk higher reward. But it ain’t so bad, just switch lobbies and you’ll be fine. Also mc businesses have the worst sell missions of all time
I have a genius idea how to stop griefing in GTA Online: If a player kills other player that didn't killed him before and didn't dealt any damage do him, the player gets permanently banned! And griefers will dissapear forever!
How are people supposed to fight each other? People still need to be able to have PVP. If someone and I agree to have a fight in free roam, and I happen to kill him first without him damaging me, I should get permanently banned? The hundreds of dollars I’ve spent on this game wasted. This is supposed to be a fun game not Nazi Germany.
People can make their own invite only servers now. No need for these rules. And the protection of streamers essentially makes them a “protected class” of people in game. That is favoritism and it is wrong.
i’m glad when i was a young teen we dint have this in gta 4 and tbogt online, it made it more fun but hey makes me glad i became anti social 6 years ago so i kind of does not effect me besides the griefing thing, i can imagine if someone kills me for no reason and i spawn kill them i imagine i’d get in trouble because they record me spawn trapping them with the carcano sniper, what a weird era of gaming.
It's worth mentioning that Report Blocking is a feature in many mod menus, so the only way to *more* reliably report someone is to record a video and use a Rockstar Support ticket and *maybe* they will do something.
Usually I try to trick them into messaging me on the PlayStation, then report their PlayStation directly to Sony. Some people on Xbox I heard do the same thing. Because best way to get rid of those people is to get their console band or account ban instead of just one game. Get all that they earned from every game they played just deleted from a permanent ban.
I’ve seen griefing go up since this, from destroying other players selling vehicles, to constantly spawn killing them. I have seen the same group of players do the same thing for a week now and they still seem to run wild enjoying inflicting pain on others.
Can someone define ‘griefing’ because I get accused of griefing, if I steal someone’s vehicle cargo for myself when the game prompts me to. The same goes for destroying cargo or product. I don’t do it all the time but every now and then it is worth it. The game prompts me to do it for cash and RP but then I’ll get hunted down as revenge and then spawn camped for as long as I stay in the lobby. If I stay in the lobby, even hours I’ve had people constantly killing me over and over and over. I’ve also had it when I get my own cargo or product destroyed and I’ll just take the hit and try to carry on with my day but again get spawn camped for hours. It’s not fun at all and is a weird way to play the game. But my question is: what is the definition of ‘griefing’?
If it didn't contradict the nature of the PvPvE setting of the Online Lobby then for sure, it would at least be better than nothing. But they really need to make a PvE only lobby one of these days or for GTA 6's Multiplayer that way people can have a true safe environment and just choose a PvPvE one if you'd rather deal with that. Sea of Thieves after all this time added a "Safer Seas" lobby so I don't see how Rockstar can't do it for GTA Online.
This will only truly prevent Griefing and trolling to a big scale if they actually are enforcing this change as in numerous reports of players that are obviously guilty being banned for griefing. IMO, I don’t think this will do much as similar measures have been taken in the past and have been ignored and things remained the same for the game when it comes to this subject.
Idea for the cargo griefing: If your product gets destroyed you will not lose all of your product but 7-30%. Once a transport vehicle is destroyed, you'll get the option to cancel the sale mission (unless you get the one with the single delivery truck). Your loss will be according to the amount of vehicles destroyed, so 1 vehicle = 7.5% loss, 2 v. 15% and so on...
We can't even report people in game on PC, people are still using those weird mod menus or trainers where if we click to report them we're the ones that get kicked out of the lobby immediately lol.
If it’s not just some PR stunt then this could be bad for us grinders and anti greifers that could get falsely reported by greifers. Rockstar doesn’t usually handle these things well tbh
I think this will back fire and get weaponized to the opposite of what its supposed to do. If softstar will do what they say here, what if someone or a group of people can spam reports on someone they to disappear and get their entire gta account reset/banned?
@@theprofessional155 Some robbers took over $30 million from Los Angeles-area vault on Easter Sunday. Some are saying that this might be one of the biggest heists in LA history.
I’m afraid if this anti griefing measures are gonna make this game worse. I’m afraid if the people who try to defend themselves get punished and even if it was justified for the reasons they are defending themselves
@@VolatileHunter2and. Who cares? You know what you bought. Signed up for and entered an online lobby to a game with a notorious historical background for open lobby turf wars. Deal with it
@@joshy3302 I understand if the player is using glitches or mods but if you can kill the player back then it’s nothing wrong with that either play the game or go to other lobby it’s ok griefing without cheating
@@jeanpierrejeanlejeanI know what you mean man. A person in pros live stream started an argument with me for giving tips on how to use certain items in a game. I told them to shut up and calm down. A moderator timed me out for 5 minutes. People are so sensitive today.
I know in xbox head quarters. Playstation headquarters. You gotta be professional. But it just feels like hardcore employee gamers. Actors. Writers. Doesn't know what horny means. Yet censor stuff thinking parents are gonna storm their company. Why do companies keep doing this? That's like. Uncensored is enough. No more perfect writing. Lets come up with bad ideas. All the time. Is there any passion in gaming anymore? Or it just. Rotted in a fire?
I would take some of these changes more seriously had Rockstar implemented some of those measures years ago. GTA Online has been around for close to 10.5 years that is plenty of time to find solutions for GTA Online’s biggest problems. Rarely anything is done to God Mode Abusers from Rockstar itself. There are people that stream themselves going into a Public Lobby in God Mode and they will grief the whole lobby.
I still find it so stupid that u can get in a bad sport lobby for blowing up players personal vehicles that they can get back for free but at the same time the game in courages u and then rewards u for destroying players cargo that they spend a lot of time getting and they can’t get it back
Attacking another player when they are doing a sell mission is definitely a form of griefing. All you receive for destroying another player’s product is some RP and $2000.
@@NewKasutowho's fault is that? The player for playing the game as intended with a homing rocket? Or the devs for implementing cargo missions in an open lobby? Think
Attacking other people's cargo using the game intended ways such as using jets, Oppressor mk2, Kosatka missile and even orbital cannon (as long as no glitch is used) is NOT griefing. When you sell cargo in populated sessions, you accept the responsibility of defending your cargo and accept the risk of it getting attacked by other players. It's common sense. Don't want your cargo to get attacked by players? Then sell in private lobbies, it's as simple as that. GTA Online is not Truck Simulator, it is a game about being criminals. However, the in-game report feature is useless especially in PC because mod menus have a feature which blocks in-game reports.
I did hundreds of hours of grinding. Now I have everything and nothing new to do. It's boring. The only entertainment is griefing now. If that goes away then there is truly nothing left to do😢
In RDO they did competetive play in business really well. If you sell trade wagon on long distance, other players can steal that shipment and then sell it as their own in their next sale, basically get full resupply in one raid. Why go around hunting wildlife entire hour when you can hijack random players wagon and then make quick money yourself. Its also one of few good pvp methods where you are insisted to get some protection from other players, who in return gain reward as well.
One thing the d-dossers (see what i did there?) Dont take into consideration when they do it, is that person whos internet theyre attacking could well belong to the guys parent who makes a living online (like if they work from home especially through covid etc) they are potentially messing with people's livelihoods and they arent fussed
Destroying cargo is part of the game so it's not griefing you can get upset but it's not griefing. So if you decide to sell in a public lobby and people destroy your cargo that's your fault in my opinion.
The fact that it rewards the player destroying it next to nothing for doing it. Also, the eye for an eye thing. You destroy someone's cargo it just invites them to do the same to you. Also, the fact that it takes hours to produce that product. The more product you get it invites the police to raid you, which means you can lose everything that you just spent hours gathering. Which there are supposed to be upgrades that reduce the chance of police raids. It really doesn't reduce anything. Then when you finally get the product to sell some jackass on an oppressor Mk2 or someone abusing the orbital cannon blows up the cargo. Its bullshit that the devs ever thought that cargo griefing was a good game feature. It is not. Most of the ones that do cargo greifing regularly are those that just throw real money at the game so they have no understanding of how you can make money without emptying your real wallet for it. I only tried to destroy someone's cargo once and it was way back when I started playing. I didn't know it was a player's cargo. I failed horribly but I never did that again.
I know a criminal that has a code of honour and respect towards others, Captain Cold from the Flash series on Stan, in the first episode we see him in when he goes to steel a very valuable diamond from the central city museum when he is scoping it out he goes through the tour of it 2 times, and the time he goes on it that we see he offers a kid some gum, the gum was not poisoned or anything just regular gum, and then when the tour guide said “don’t get to close or else you’ll trigger the proximity sensors” and then Captain Cold “Lenard Snart” (I do not know if I spelt the last name correctly or not is someone does know it’s actually spelt please correct me) says to the kid “well now you wouldn’t want to do that” tue kid just nods if I am remembering correctly, then on the night that he goes to steel it with the cold gun one of the museum guards points his gun at Lenard and then Lenard says “unless you wanna end up like that door you should leave” or something like that, basically telling the guard unless the guard wants to die the guard should leave. Lenard prefers not to kill unless given no other choice, and deep down he is a nice person
The report feature doesn't work at all on PC because the cheaters/griefer can just block your reports and even overload your CPU and make your game crash as well as block you from rejoining gta online for as long as they want.
Ever since they allowed us to source and sell cargo and cars in solo and closed friend lobbies, i haven’t been in a public lobby once. I’d rather take slightly less money on sales than deal with the toxic mess that is the gta online player base.
Rockstar banning griefing would be ok if they also didn’t pop up a message saying someone is delivering cargo in the lobby and making pedestrian npc drivers run purposefully into you whenever your doing a car cargo sell mission.
That's like banning cars but still having roads, gas stations, and having cars for sale
yes its flawed rules from the start some random person that does not even have a ceo or mc yet doesn't need to be notified where an org is on the map or if they're sourcing or selling, what would make more sense at least is only broadcast to active orgs on the same source or sell missions and allow them to try to steal it for themself, now you have incentive to not blow it up at least and possibly the hope of being able to steal it back making the high demand bonus make more sense
I never understood a rival gang wouldn’t blow a drug business up they would steal the product
Yes but then you wouldn’t need that shark card lol
Don’t make me tap the sign.
*Missions that ping you on the minimap are sanctioned pvp events and not griefing*
Imagine getting banned in an 18+ game for cursing that's ridiculous
Even funnier is the fact NPCs can send you messages where they swear (like a bounty text if you steal their car) but you can't do the same. It makes ZERO sense.
@@nn98b64 Its so hypocritical
This is why I’m not excited for gta 6 if this is the way rockstar thinks now, they are no better than the other modern slop
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Take-Two raised their ESG score so high by DEI'ing Rockstar and breaking up the 'boys club' (aka the guys who have been with the series since the start and made it good). That's why they don't want to come into the office anymore and think all overtime is a crime.
It’s because of all the 12 year olds that play this game 😂
This will NOT do SHIT 💀💀💀🤣
This SHIT will NOT do.
Do not shit this
Will NOT do this SHIT
are we even recommended to report? i heard it could backfire against hackers
SHIT will NOT do this.
Too little too late, they waited until the tail end of GTA Online's lifespan to address the issue
Exactly, yet people are going to gobble GTA 6 up as if GTA Online never happened.
Gta online not gta 5 😉
Don't be fooled here GTA Online is currently the testing ground for systems that will be put in place for GTA 6 and what ever replaces GTA Online.
@@lzzbabyy Same exact thing
@@ArtieArchives nope its not changing just a new map when u go to airport like cayo
Criminals also don't own orbital cannons or jet motorcycles, and they don't use 4 separate post trucks to carry 20 packages 😂
Yeah they get their underlings to do that.
Yeah, they should really just make it that any business spawns one vehicle if you are in an org or gang by yourself. That is why the Nightclub and Acid Lab are the best for solo money making in GTA Online.
This mightve been valid literally 6-8 years ago, but since then the game's pvp has been an unbalanced mess where they give griefers tools. Maybe its gta 6 prep but this shit is pretty hypocritical, especially when the orbital cannon exists
EXACTLY, it's so dumb.
Yeah the game is built to breed toxic players. And it might be prep for GTA6 but you already know their going to give in to the loser wannabes that are going to be wanting their over powered, unbalanced crap back because they are Take2's and R*'s main source of income.. the real question is, how long will it take until the do give in and start corrupting GTA6 whit crap too?..
I’ve had a person teleport behind me because I was getting good payback against him killing low levels. I’ve lost hope in gta after that
I don’t think this will change anything 💀
this game pushes toxicity out there lmao 😭
Exactly. If they want to prove us wrong- *Permanently Disable the Notifications for Cargo, Supply and Sell Runs.* That would be a step in the right direction…
@@JCWinters-bu8deand get rid of the pings too they got you on the map blinking red selling anything
Toxicity is in its dna at this point
i was WONDERING why my mic was off this whole time
@@Mally130 Definitely. 👍
"protecting our player's privacy" YEAH about that........Old servers that allow people to grab IPs easily. what a joke
If you want to protect privacy, don’t play on PC. You’ll get booted offline, have your game crashed and not be able to log on for two weeks. GTA online is unplayable on PC.
@@the-ironclad Grand theft Auto on PC is malware
@@theangrycommentator7566 Misinformation
At this point rockstar has to be pretending 😂 The "Be respectful. Even criminals have a code of honor" says it all...
Let's throw the saying "There is no honor among theives" out the window and all follow the cokstar guidelines
Honor? Red dead online reference does this mean we will get a red dead update?
@@HKIHNDKNSItheir is honer but it all depends on the soul of the individual, But in rare instances criminals have honer.
@@masmelly6384 Join a game of GTAO and try to start an event that pops up in the top left corner to every loser in the entire lobby and snitches out your exact location to everyone on the map and see how much honor there is in your average GTAO lobby
@HKIHNDKNSI it be laughable when a low level tries to run up. Like buddy you still got the pistol Lamar gave you 😂😂😂
Rockstar themselves taught players to do that in the first place by telling other players where you are on the map you're moving heist prep equipment cargo supplies etc and to blow it up for cash and rp, not telling them even the tiny bit of money they'll get for their trouble. Rockstar themselves engrained this behavior in players early on, teaching new players it's okay to do this 😄
I don’t buy it personally. They added the orbital cannon, along with all of these futuristic and weaponized vehicles. And on top of that, they literally ping your cargo on the map telling people to blow it up. So this post contradicts their game. Not to mention all of the times people abused God Mode glitches and didn’t get banned.
Well griefing defined by rockstar doesn’t include that. It’s as dumb as the bad sport still existing and not expanding or contracting to fit the game.
@@UnknownName5050Cargo griefing is griefing. Period.
@@dennisjohnson1937 yeah but the player gets rewarded by risking to get griefed. (more money for the sale)
@@dennisjohnson1937 you dont get to define it lol
@@UnknownName5050Yes I can. Destroying someone’s hours of hard work is griefing. You wouldn’t like it if it were done to you, so stop trying to make it seem like it’s ok to do.
The game is about murder, theft, prostitution, and crimes organizations. Yet WE can’t say cuss words
And cussing is one of the things you hear the npc's say every day on the game😂
@@flboyredgaming1,049 F-bombs in single player.
Fr they just made that post to make “investors happy.” They ain’t gonna do shit
yep the game where npcs have more freedom of speech than the players 😂
If Rockstar didn't broadcast to the entire lobby when you're selling cargo and give players the ability to see where you are at all times griefing wouldn't be as bad as it is😂
Exactly bro!
i sell knowing the risk and still get surprised when my weed gets blown up😂 the adrenaline is fun sometimes; then again idc for money in game so
not only do that announce it, they pay $2000 (which isnt anything) to pay them
then people would unknowingly blow up cargo they see bc it's not marked as cargo
Probably not I still wouldn't trust randoms lobbys to sell your M.CS or crates or whatever you do online
This will 100% not stop griefing especially on pc version where modders run rampant with anti report mod menus. The double standards of Rockstar is questionable at best
I haven't played GTA 5 online since 2015 because of griefers, A-holes always ruin it for you, I don't think Rockstar will or can stop griefers.
😂
Private sessions help end a big part of griefing. If you're in a public lobby, you know what the risk is.
Ngl that's a you problem lol
But man was 2015 a good year
so why dont you just go to closed sessions 😂 nobody force you to go in a public …
@@dataghost9925EXACTLY
Driving the wrong way in a race has no reason to really be removed now that its an option to disable that during a race
Yea plus they have the timers now and no contact so it’s early impossible to do to grief people
They outta touch with their old game lol
yh non contact is a thing if you want fully clean races or actual racing games
i usually drive the wrong way just because i know ive lost the race and just want to mess around even driving off the track and around the city
and it's not toxic because i don't try and sabotage others
Expecting rockstar to actually ban guilty players for correct reasons is a laughing thought, but at least its a step in the right direction.
Why would they ban griefers if they are the one’s buying their shark card and spending the most money
I remember when I was with my friend at his house, at his liveroom, we were playing GTA V in PS3, was a guy cursing a kid... To us was kinda funny, because the guy was so upset for something so unnecessary, but then we realised that kid was getting sad. Was one of the moments that we discover that public sessions are bad basically.
Kids shouldn't be playing
@@ziploc2000 yeah you are right. But tell this to their parents. Especially nowadays, they don't give a damn. Instead they will give you a tablet.
But who am I? When I was 7 I wanted to play Gta San Andreas... But was single player.
I think destroying someone else’s cargo is not bad per se in a game like gta, to me the bad part is that the cargo owner realistically cannot defend himself while delievering cargo in a 15 mph van against flying things with missiles. It would be much more fun to defend your cargo against ppl trying to steal or destroy your cargo using “common” weapons
i think it should only be stealing cargo and selling it for almost the original value (not the full amount because you have to organise a quick buyer)
since it doesn't make sense for criminals to destroy other criminals product when they could sell it
So does this mean they're going to stop telling players to destroy other people's cargo for cash and RP? 🙄 Highly unlikely.
And of course the hacking is still a nightmare in Red Dead online.
Another furry!
@@ArtieArchives on PC I am Rocky_the_fox
bugs as well.
@@ArtieArchives maybe. Maybe I am?
Maybe I ain’t? Who’s to say?
@@Genrevideos I love your character either way
They will not ban people for cargo griefing. The game literally says destroy cargo to get cash and RP. Now I'm not saying people should do it because of that but they can't tell you that then also ban you for it as well.
GTA is a sandbox game. It's about whatever you want it to be
As an African American man who plays with a lot of other African American guys, the n word gets thrown around a lot. Not because we're upset at each other or yelling at anyone, but because it becomes part of the lingo. Will I then get banned because of that? If so, how is that not a form of discrimination
As a African American as well maybe yall shouldn’t be calling each other the n word
@@CJGAMEZ38 I personally don't use the word myself, even though I'm black. But a couple of my friends do. And while I don't agree with them using it, we shouldn't be punishing people for speaking in a way that is well integrated within their culture whether we like it or not. It doesn't carry the same weight as somebody using it for nefarious purposes. And since it's going to be difficult for any AI model to detect that, I think we should just allow freedom of speech. So what if somebody's racist, mute them
A guy said the n word in a party chat about ls car meat but he said he was black but loads of people were reporting him. It's just banter.
As a white dude I like to use the n word a LOT with my white homies. Everyone should use the n word or nobody shouldn't use it. Simple as that!
@@ERTChimpanzee I agree no one should use it but what I will say to u as a white man, because u know what where it came from you shouldn’t be using that word unless you are a racist , and if your not a racist use different words.
I stopped playing GTA 5 online a year ago after some racist scumbag DDOSED my account and wiped out my entire gaming history. These guidelines aren't going to do anything...
That's not how DDOSing works, if you can't play online because he's DDOSing you, in which case anything on your internet will not be working, you won't lose anything, you simply need to use a new internet connection or request a new ip from your internet provider. A good way to protect yourself from DDOSing is to play with a vpn activated, Windscribe is a good free one.
Damn
Was this on PC or console?
I played GTA v online from November of the year it came out up until a few years ago. Eventually I realized that it is literally just the same shit over and over and over again and the devs don't give a shit. I can't blame them though, it's over a decade old. At this point it's just boomers still trying to milk it until GT6 comes out and then GT6 will fall into the same process.
@@falconx102 pc i think
IDK about this one it seems like this is gonna make things worse 🤔
yeah
They should've implemented this back in like 2016-17 it's too late now
The real grief problem is the blip system. Having a gps that pinpoints other players locations makes freemode un enjoyable. You should have to call lester or imani to expose blips, and keep the gps in the pause menu and vehicles.Red dead had the proximity blip system which felt like a step in the right direction .
It sucks because this doesn't include cargo/freemode griefing
Maybe Rockstar should stop promoting griefing.
They've never once promoted it. It's like God, rockstar has given its player base free will, and of course people are gonna take advantage of that.
@@NoahCanFBThey tell the whole lobby that you’re selling cargo and they ping it on the map. And they added all of these futuristic and weaponized vehicles to the game. Yes they do encourage griefing. While you may not be forced to do it, they still encourage you to do it.
@@NoahCanFBThey Let You Put Bounties On Other Players , They Let You Send Mercenaries On Other Players Even Muggers 😂 Thats Promoting Right There
This is the typical case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing.
How they can improve the problem with cargo greifing is do not announce that someone is moving product, do not reward the player for destroying the product and do not show icons for those moving the product.
I was just talking about this a couple days ago. There's a Griefer on this GTA 5 fanclub I'm part of on Facebook. He posts videos of him destroying people's supplies and cargo, and he's proud of it. I still don't understand why people think it's cool to do that.
As long as this stuff isnt affecting their shark cards, Rockstar will not care about anything.
I stick to invite only sessions anyway. Can do most of the missions I want too and don't have to deal with literal children who shouldn't be playing the game in the first place being annoying idiots
"I play multilayer games by myself"
Crazy.
@@謬 invite only... meaning I play with my friends. You really aren't all that bright are you.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Lil bro's apparently been spamming Professional's comment sections a lot lately just to be an annoying lil rat for some reason. Guess kid isn't getting attention at home :B
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402the point of multiplayer games is to play with everyone across the world not just your friends
@@GTZ7 not at all 🤣 you must be under 18 if you've got that mindset
just some thought from my side:
"by using the game in unintended ways" seems like griefing in the case of the community guidelines doesn't include cargo-griefing because this would be an intended way of griefing (the game tells you that you can destroy cargo of other players to get some money)
That's exactly what I've been telling people.
Rockstar's definition of griefing doesn't count cargo griefing. When Rockstar mentions "griefing", they mean stuff like using exploits, cheating, stream-sniping, trolling, etc.
So, this new community guideline thing will have absolutely zero effect on people who destroy cargo. Because at least from Rockstar's POV, destroying cargo is not griefing. That's just playing the game the way it was designed.
@@aeternus2036you forgot spawn killing which is an important one for me lmao, i come back afk getting spam killed
I remember reading that someone was suspended for saying "let's sell COCAINE" in the vc, that needs to be reviewed
I'd say this is kind of a step in the right direction, if a little bit of a late one at that. First they made it so that we can sell in invite only lobbies, which was already a nice message to grinders and casuals, and now they're giving threats to the griefers.
Will this make the game any less toxic? We’ll see…
Yep. Regardless though I’m still gonna stay in PGAM lobbies unless Ghillie is in pubs during streams. I’ll be honest that I used to go in pubs a ton years ago to do 1v1’s against toxic players. But now I mostly like avoiding it altogether lol.
Might make it slightly more toxic. Say for example you're a griefer and you're looking to ruin someones day, now all you gotta do is provoke them into killing you more than once and report them for griefing. That's one of the ways I see the system getting abused and if this happens to be the case then Rockstar needs to implement punishment for false reports.
Nah, gta online toxicity is so high that it will still reek no matter what.
No, it won't. GTA Online community's toxicity is so bad that it'll make CSGO and Call of Duty communities look good.
Probably not. Many people in the community are literal kids
Not only is it going to stop griefing but it's gonna stop ppl from playing....
its just funny to me how they wanna put stuff that shouldve been in the game 8 years ago when the CEO update came out 😂
u know what else they say we dont allow this in our games ok what about godmode theyve done nothing about that
I turned off both texting and voice on console. People trying to bait you into responding, while they sneak up on you. I don't care for that treatment
Honestly fuck a warning give them a permanent insta-ban
i could not agree more
it's just beta testing until they do instant bans for one month then next is forever
Lmao garbage players
Yes, on PC there is a chat section you just type your message in, and it is seen by whomever you want it to be seen by. It can be between people in your org or gang, or you can have it public and be seen by anyone in the lobby.
Griefing is not a problem in the 1st place. Glitches and cheating are the real problem.
Yes it is
@@sergeantzack1106 Keep on crying.
Not to mention - the risk of having your cargo blown up in a public lobby is why you get a higher payout should you deliver it all to the buyer.
R* doesn't consider blowing up cargo grief.. they consider it game play.. thats why they pay you more in public lobbies... more risk, more reward
Technically it’s not griefing because it’s encouraged and you get a higher payout for doing it in a full lobby. You’ll get an extra million sometimes. 30% more on full lobbies. High risk higher reward. But it ain’t so bad, just switch lobbies and you’ll be fine. Also mc businesses have the worst sell missions of all time
I have a genius idea how to stop griefing in GTA Online: If a player kills other player that didn't killed him before and didn't dealt any damage do him, the player gets permanently banned! And griefers will dissapear forever!
How are people supposed to fight each other? People still need to be able to have PVP. If someone and I agree to have a fight in free roam, and I happen to kill him first without him damaging me, I should get permanently banned? The hundreds of dollars I’ve spent on this game wasted. This is supposed to be a fun game not Nazi Germany.
People can make their own invite only servers now. No need for these rules. And the protection of streamers essentially makes them a “protected class” of people in game. That is favoritism and it is wrong.
i’m glad when i was a young teen we dint have this in gta 4 and tbogt online, it made it more fun but hey makes me glad i became anti social 6 years ago so i kind of does not effect me besides the griefing thing, i can imagine if someone kills me for no reason and i spawn kill them i imagine i’d get in trouble because they record me spawn trapping them with the carcano sniper, what a weird era of gaming.
It's worth mentioning that Report Blocking is a feature in many mod menus, so the only way to *more* reliably report someone is to record a video and use a Rockstar Support ticket and *maybe* they will do something.
Remember this while playing DMZ. Never Trust Anyone!
Usually I try to trick them into messaging me on the PlayStation, then report their PlayStation directly to Sony. Some people on Xbox I heard do the same thing. Because best way to get rid of those people is to get their console band or account ban instead of just one game. Get all that they earned from every game they played just deleted from a permanent ban.
You are just woke I would’ve loved to see you in the MW2 days
@@J-237 I was during those days even before that were you around when world at war came out
@@J-237 not to mention if you think modern warfare, two was toxic try rust on a modded server
I’ve seen griefing go up since this, from destroying other players selling vehicles, to constantly spawn killing them. I have seen the same group of players do the same thing for a week now and they still seem to run wild enjoying inflicting pain on others.
Can someone define ‘griefing’ because I get accused of griefing, if I steal someone’s vehicle cargo for myself when the game prompts me to. The same goes for destroying cargo or product. I don’t do it all the time but every now and then it is worth it. The game prompts me to do it for cash and RP but then I’ll get hunted down as revenge and then spawn camped for as long as I stay in the lobby. If I stay in the lobby, even hours I’ve had people constantly killing me over and over and over. I’ve also had it when I get my own cargo or product destroyed and I’ll just take the hit and try to carry on with my day but again get spawn camped for hours. It’s not fun at all and is a weird way to play the game. But my question is: what is the definition of ‘griefing’?
Some guy griefed me on Wednesday and after a back in forth on ps messages he said some things that aren’t community appropriate and I got him banned😂
Snitches get _________
Wow you big man, sounds like a snitch to me
That's why I have my messages set to friends only.
W
That's the way, you gotta get them so mad they message you on PSN, that's where reporting someone for hate speech actually makes a difference
If it didn't contradict the nature of the PvPvE setting of the Online Lobby then for sure, it would at least be better than nothing. But they really need to make a PvE only lobby one of these days or for GTA 6's Multiplayer that way people can have a true safe environment and just choose a PvPvE one if you'd rather deal with that. Sea of Thieves after all this time added a "Safer Seas" lobby so I don't see how Rockstar can't do it for GTA Online.
Imagine not being allowed to curse in a game with 1,049 F-bombs.
This will only truly prevent Griefing and trolling to a big scale if they actually are enforcing this change as in numerous reports of players that are obviously guilty being banned for griefing. IMO, I don’t think this will do much as similar measures have been taken in the past and have been ignored and things remained the same for the game when it comes to this subject.
The wrong way griefing in races is easy to stop, just apply the same ghost effect as non-contact races for those who do that.
Idea for the cargo griefing: If your product gets destroyed you will not lose all of your product but 7-30%. Once a transport vehicle is destroyed, you'll get the option to cancel the sale mission (unless you get the one with the single delivery truck). Your loss will be according to the amount of vehicles destroyed, so 1 vehicle = 7.5% loss, 2 v. 15% and so on...
There was some earthquake somewhere in the tri state area or the greater New York area professional.
We can't even report people in game on PC, people are still using those weird mod menus or trainers where if we click to report them we're the ones that get kicked out of the lobby immediately lol.
The only way they'll get rid of griefing in GTA online is to shut down GTA Online.
They can't even stop mod menuers from screwing the game up. TBH I'd rather they concentrated on that more than just griefing.
If it’s not just some PR stunt then this could be bad for us grinders and anti greifers that could get falsely reported by greifers. Rockstar doesn’t usually handle these things well tbh
That is something I am worried about. Griefers falsely report us grinders and anti-griefers all the time for just playing the game.
I think this will back fire and get weaponized to the opposite of what its supposed to do. If softstar will do what they say here, what if someone or a group of people can spam reports on someone they to disappear and get their entire gta account reset/banned?
Are you gonna make a crazy current events video about the heist that happened in Los Angeles back on Sunday?
What heist ?
@@theprofessional155 Some robbers took over $30 million from Los Angeles-area vault on Easter Sunday. Some are saying that this might be one of the biggest heists in LA history.
@@theprofessional155they also apparently left without a trace as well
That heist happened 20 mins from where I live, straight outta GTA 😂
Holy shit that's gonna be on GTA 6 as a reference 100%!! 😂😂
What happens when you get griefed and retaliate against that person and they decide to report you?
you get banned so they can greif in peace because rockstar thinks that will boost sales 😂
I’m afraid if this anti griefing measures are gonna make this game worse. I’m afraid if the people who try to defend themselves get punished and even if it was justified for the reasons they are defending themselves
Destroying cargo ISN'T griefing, it's just a PVP mechanic, if you can't stand being blown up then sell in private lobbies
Yes it is. Because most people just go for low levels.
@VolatileHunter2 no it's not, it's still an intended PVP mechanic. Spawn killing a low level who literally can't fight back is griefing
@@VolatileHunter2and. Who cares? You know what you bought. Signed up for and entered an online lobby to a game with a notorious historical background for open lobby turf wars. Deal with it
I would've prefer anti griefing where griefing should be banned for good
Just say your trash and killing other players in gta is the point of the game ….
But still anti griefing would be more effective
@@joshy3302 I understand if the player is using glitches or mods but if you can kill the player back then it’s nothing wrong with that either play the game or go to other lobby it’s ok griefing without cheating
Most greifers are trash anyway so this new TOS doesn’t make sense any ways when they already get bullied by the whole lobby
Pro sorry for the off topic question but did rockstar remove the illegal claim from your video
Stealing someone's work is illegal. R* owns the video and pro used it without approval.
@@謬oh please you just dislike me so your saying this nonsense . I have seen plenty of your comments constantly attacking me for dumb crap.
@@謬tally ho on barcode username, no u
@@謬You can't be serious
@@theprofessional155 that wasn't me.. that was a different barcode... 😂
New Jersey endured some earthquake professional. On the north side where the NYC is at.
He mentioned that he doesn’t even live there anymore
It was never an issue for me until the oppressor was introduced.
You got spineless moderators man, can’t comment anything without getting my comments deleted
True
@@Platinum680 well except this comment, but as soon as i put a b’tch fucc’tard it’s over
@@Platinum680 I wanted to spit facts and some insults ya know nothing too serious, but it’s 2024, what a pathetic time to live in
@@Platinum680 it’s just words, on f-in internet for f sakes, why this peoples are so feeble ?
@@jeanpierrejeanlejeanI know what you mean man. A person in pros live stream started an argument with me for giving tips on how to use certain items in a game. I told them to shut up and calm down. A moderator timed me out for 5 minutes. People are so sensitive today.
As you can see in the griefing. Section they don’t mention destroying cargo, just sell in a private lobby
Your DMZ story is exactly what Rockstar is doing.
“Sure we’ll let you play peacefully, lol”
censoring players in an M for mature game is wrong. PERIOD
I know in xbox head quarters. Playstation headquarters. You gotta be professional. But it just feels like hardcore employee gamers. Actors. Writers. Doesn't know what horny means. Yet censor stuff thinking parents are gonna storm their company.
Why do companies keep doing this? That's like. Uncensored is enough. No more perfect writing. Lets come up with bad ideas. All the time.
Is there any passion in gaming anymore? Or it just. Rotted in a fire?
I would take some of these changes more seriously had Rockstar implemented some of those measures years ago. GTA Online has been around for close to 10.5 years that is plenty of time to find solutions for GTA Online’s biggest problems.
Rarely anything is done to God Mode Abusers from Rockstar itself. There are people that stream themselves going into a Public Lobby in God Mode and they will grief the whole lobby.
It’s the bunker guide he put out today
I still find it so stupid that u can get in a bad sport lobby for blowing up players personal vehicles that they can get back for free but at the same time the game in courages u and then rewards u for destroying players cargo that they spend a lot of time getting and they can’t get it back
As annoying as getting your cargo destroyed is, it's not griefing. The game encourages people to do it. It's just a shitty part of the game
Attacking another player when they are doing a sell mission is definitely a form of griefing. All you receive for destroying another player’s product is some RP and $2000.
@@NewKasutowho's fault is that? The player for playing the game as intended with a homing rocket? Or the devs for implementing cargo missions in an open lobby? Think
Attacking other people's cargo using the game intended ways such as using jets, Oppressor mk2, Kosatka missile and even orbital cannon (as long as no glitch is used) is NOT griefing. When you sell cargo in populated sessions, you accept the responsibility of defending your cargo and accept the risk of it getting attacked by other players. It's common sense. Don't want your cargo to get attacked by players? Then sell in private lobbies, it's as simple as that. GTA Online is not Truck Simulator, it is a game about being criminals.
However, the in-game report feature is useless especially in PC because mod menus have a feature which blocks in-game reports.
My man has spent an entire year and more playing GTA damn. Idk if I should be impressed or feel absolutely sad. 🤣💀
I don't think will even dent the grieving just something to work around
Heck no it ain’t going to stop griefing I’ve had my product blown up 3-4 times today alone after they announced it
Close your game so that you don’t lose your product.
Nobody likes godmode in any game. This isn't only a GTA problem.
I did hundreds of hours of grinding. Now I have everything and nothing new to do. It's boring. The only entertainment is griefing now. If that goes away then there is truly nothing left to do😢
It'll not change anything, everything will continue to go as usual.
It's because you can sell cargo in an invite only lobby is why blowing up cargo is not mentioned as griefing.
In RDO they did competetive play in business really well. If you sell trade wagon on long distance, other players can steal that shipment and then sell it as their own in their next sale, basically get full resupply in one raid. Why go around hunting wildlife entire hour when you can hijack random players wagon and then make quick money yourself.
Its also one of few good pvp methods where you are insisted to get some protection from other players, who in return gain reward as well.
One thing the d-dossers (see what i did there?) Dont take into consideration when they do it, is that person whos internet theyre attacking could well belong to the guys parent who makes a living online (like if they work from home especially through covid etc) they are potentially messing with people's livelihoods and they arent fussed
Destroying cargo is part of the game so it's not griefing you can get upset but it's not griefing.
So if you decide to sell in a public lobby and people destroy your cargo that's your fault in my opinion.
The fact that it rewards the player destroying it next to nothing for doing it. Also, the eye for an eye thing. You destroy someone's cargo it just invites them to do the same to you. Also, the fact that it takes hours to produce that product. The more product you get it invites the police to raid you, which means you can lose everything that you just spent hours gathering. Which there are supposed to be upgrades that reduce the chance of police raids. It really doesn't reduce anything. Then when you finally get the product to sell some jackass on an oppressor Mk2 or someone abusing the orbital cannon blows up the cargo. Its bullshit that the devs ever thought that cargo griefing was a good game feature. It is not. Most of the ones that do cargo greifing regularly are those that just throw real money at the game so they have no understanding of how you can make money without emptying your real wallet for it. I only tried to destroy someone's cargo once and it was way back when I started playing. I didn't know it was a player's cargo. I failed horribly but I never did that again.
@02091992able I do private lobbies so no one can destroy my cargo
I'm thankful we can have private lobbies and not charge us for that. **oh boy, did I start a future controversy?! is this really going to happen**
It's got a crazy it took of 8 years to do this though shake it my head🤔😤
Invite only with friends...no friends ? Then get some...
I know a criminal that has a code of honour and respect towards others, Captain Cold from the Flash series on Stan, in the first episode we see him in when he goes to steel a very valuable diamond from the central city museum when he is scoping it out he goes through the tour of it 2 times, and the time he goes on it that we see he offers a kid some gum, the gum was not poisoned or anything just regular gum, and then when the tour guide said “don’t get to close or else you’ll trigger the proximity sensors” and then Captain Cold “Lenard Snart” (I do not know if I spelt the last name correctly or not is someone does know it’s actually spelt please correct me) says to the kid “well now you wouldn’t want to do that” tue kid just nods if I am remembering correctly, then on the night that he goes to steel it with the cold gun one of the museum guards points his gun at Lenard and then Lenard says “unless you wanna end up like that door you should leave” or something like that, basically telling the guard unless the guard wants to die the guard should leave. Lenard prefers not to kill unless given no other choice, and deep down he is a nice person
Honestly all is fair game until hacks/mods are used; thats crossing the line and should be punished
Holy shit! A griefer doxxed you @TheProfessional?
The report feature doesn't work at all on PC because the cheaters/griefer can just block your reports and even overload your CPU and make your game crash as well as block you from rejoining gta online for as long as they want.
Ever since they allowed us to source and sell cargo and cars in solo and closed friend lobbies, i haven’t been in a public lobby once. I’d rather take slightly less money on sales than deal with the toxic mess that is the gta online player base.
before that, it was easy to put yourself in a "priavte public" lobby... i did it for years